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Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp Trying 129.6.54.11... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT expn clipper 500 Command unrecognized Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.

sci.crypt

So what's your point? Mark's comment still is valid. To suggest that AIDS is "deserved" IS ludicrous. I sin. I can resolve to abstain from sin, and do weekly (more often, actually). Yet I routinely fail. I surely do deserve what I get, yet God compassionately provided the Incarnate Logos, Jesus, as a rememdy and a way out of our situation. If AIDS is deserved, I surely deserve instant death just as much, as do we all, as St. Paul so cogently remids us. To willingly judge "others" as deserving punishment seems to me to be the height of arrogance and lack of humility. So what's the point here? I can get AIDS and NEVER engage in "deviant" sexual behavior. In fact, I could engage in LOTS of deviant sexual behavior with HIV+ people and never be infected. AIDS is a consequence of particular behaviors, many of which are not sexual. And not all sexual behaviors carry the risk of transmission. The end of all things is to know, love and serve God, growing daily closer through prayer, meditation and discipline. Even so I could get AIDS. Anyone could, unless they remain forever celibate, IV-drug-free, and transfusion free. Larry Overacker ([email protected]) --

soc.religion.christian

To: [email protected] (Alex Milshteyn) AM> Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance AM> flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places, AM> I order food without MSG. To me, MSG tastes just like a mixture of salt and sugar. I don't think that is the case with most people. What does it taste like to you?

sci.med

We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an example of action being taken which results in the worst possible outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these days it will destroy the fucking planet: "Oh sorry. Didn't think they would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told us they were bluffing."

talk.politics.guns

Re: Space billboards Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered a "Goodyear Blimp in orbit". The idea was to use a large structure that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has. Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually be seen by almost everyone on Earth. Only our collective disapproval of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing it. It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such a thing, go figure it out for yourself). Dani Eder

sci.space

... You can tell, folks, when the man has run out of reason: attack the man's beliefs (in legal terminology, argument ad hominem: attack the man, not what he did that has yet to be proven illegal)> WRONGo. Remember the fire movie a couple of years ago? "Backdraft"? The scene in the factory with propane gas coming out of pipes and gasoline all over the floor, with a 750 degree flame front overhead? Note that it did not flash all at once? Fires ignite and burn unpredictably. Gases (like tear gas) mix and distribute unevenly. And flash unevenly. You are not a fire analyst. You cannnot tell. (NB: Neither am I. And I cannot tell Nor is the FBI spokesman Nor is Reno Maybe we all should shut up and get a forensics analysis first. Yes,. there was a flash: in one room, just pumped full of it.,

talk.religion.misc

Reading newspapers to learn about this kind of stuff is not the best idea in the world. Newspaper reporters are notoriously ignorant on the subject of religion, and are prone to exaggeration in the interests of having a "real" story (that is, a bigger headline). Let's back up to 1935. At this point, we have the Masoretic text, the various targums (translations/commentaries in aramaic, etc.), and the Septuagint, the ancient greek translation. The Masoretic text is the standard Jewish text and essentially does not vary. In some places it has obvious corruptions, all of which are copied faithfully from copy to copy. These passages in the past were interpreted by reference to the targums and to the Septuagint. Now, the septuagint differs from the masoretic text in two particulars: first, it includes additional texts, and second, in some passages there are variant readings from the masoretic text (in addition to "fixing"/predating the various corrupted passages). It must be emphasized that, to the best of my knowledge, these variations are only signifcant to bible scholars, and have little theological import. The dead sea scroll materials add to this an ancient *copy* of almost all of Isaiah and fragments of various sizes of almost all other OT books. There is also an abundance of other material, but as far as I know, there is no sign there of any hebrew antecdent to the apocrypha (the extra texts in the septuagint). As far as analysis has proceeded, there are also variations between the DSS texts and the masoretic versions. These tend to reflect the septuagint, where the latter isn't obviously in error. Again, though, the differences (thus far) are not significant theologically. There is this big expectation that there are great theological surprises lurking in the material, but so far this hasn't happened. The DSS *are* important because there is almost no textual tradition in the OT, unlike for the NT.

alt.atheism

I was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country station sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the underexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I thought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully unhappy.

rec.sport.hockey

sci.crypt

The current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's! What the so-called "eco-freaks" want to do is to simply bring those fees in line with current economic reality. Currently, mining companies can get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices -- something like $50! The mining lobby has for decades managed to block any reform of these outdated fees. In fact, the latest attempt to reform them was again blocked -- President Clinton "compromised" by taking the mining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate legislation to fight that battle. If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment.

sci.space

Do you happen to know what a .SCO RIX file is?

comp.graphics

sm[?]>a real Christian unless you're born again is a very fundamental biblical sm[?]>conversion and regeneration are 'probably' part of some small USA-based cult Some of these "cults", which seems like a rather dismissive term to me, are pretty big here in the USA. Most of them are quite respectable & neiborly & do not resemble Branch Davidians in the least; confusing them is a mistake. What about "live & let live", folks? I'm sure we can uncover a few extremist loonies who are Catholic -- the anti-abortion movement in the USA seems to have a few hard cases in it, for example. I have to agree Matthew with this; I have certainly encountered a lot of anti-Catholic-religion propaganda & emotion (& some bigotry) from members of certain religious groups here. They also practice their missionary work with zeal among Catholics in the United States, but to someone who is or was raised Catholic such rhetoric is pretty off-putting. It may work better in an environment where there's a lot of popular anti-clericalism. Follow-ups set elsewhere, this no longer seems very relevant to Celtic issues to me.

talk.religion.misc

I am looking for one of those color LCD screens you place on an overhead projector and control the presentation with a Mac. Can you recommend me a particular brand? What price are we talking about? Thanks,

comp.sys.mac.hardware

The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in Waco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the rapid spread of fire in the compound? Please note I am directing all followups to talk.politics.guns

talk.politics.guns

The point is that the original poster was talking about connecting ground and neutral in the *outlet* box (big NO NO), and you are talking about them being connected in the breaker box (as things should be). If this is not obvious, the point is that there should be current flow in the white, i.e. neutral/return wires when things in the house are operating. There should not be any flow in the ground wires unless there is a fault condition. Notice also that in the breaker box there is a wire leading from the above-mentioned junction to earth ground, usually a pipe or spike driven into the ground.

sci.electronics

Actually, Gaetti's first year with California was 1991. His .632 DA wasn't out of line with his career averages, and his .616 was actually below average in 1988. But check out the last three years at the Metrodome. 1990 Gaetti .655 AL Avg .604 1991 Pags .744 Leius .653 Al Avg .620 1992 Leius .680 AL Avg .603 For the last three years, the highest DAs in either league have been posted by Minnesota players -- three different ones, including one (Pags) who was mediocre to horrible elsewhere. That doesn't *prove* a park effect is at work, any more than San Diego's horrible infield numbers prove a park effect is at work. But it looks like a strong possibility to me. Lots And it might even be a nice play to thrid base. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| ([email protected]) |*| Baseball fanatic

rec.sport.baseball

Well, actually, the Davidians (Koreshians?) started the fire themselves, the last I heard ( around 15:00 EST). Eight people ran out into the feilds surrounding the compound. All were captured and two admitted to setting the fire. I don't buy your napalm theory at all (although it would have made a great commercial for my .sig). Why the hell would they have a wood stove burning on such a warm day? Flame throwers use liquid petroleum, napalm is more of a gel. Now to further dispute your theory, the diluted CS gas was inserted around 06:00 if I understood correctly. The place didn't start burning until around 10:00 or 11:00. Calm down kid. Vernon (Koresh's real name) said himself that he would not leave that compound alive. The inhabitants thereof had accepted the fact that they may very well have to kill themselves before it was all over. There are at least eight survivors. A caller on Rush Limbaugh today suggested that the rest may even be hiding in underground bunkers. That's not such a wild idea considering their weaponry and resolve. Sheesh! Get over it. I haven't heard (read) such ranting since the Hindenberg burned. This should have ended 50 days ago. I'm glad my tax dollars have finally stopped working to pay a bunch of guys to stand around and give press conferences. Now they can get back to more important things, like catching cigarrette smugglers.

talk.politics.guns

Okay, lets get the record straight on the Livermore gas gun. The project manager is Dr. John Hunter, and he works for the Laser group at Livermore. What, you may ask, does gas guns have to do with lasers? Nothing, really, but the gun is physically located across the road from the Free Electron Laser building, and the FEL building has a heavily shielded control room (thick walls) from which the gun firings are controlled. So I suspect that the office he works for is an administrative convenience. I visited Hunter at the beginning of Feb. and we toured the gun. At the time I was working on gas gun R&D at Boeing, where I work, but I am now doing other things (helping to save the space station), The gun uses a methane-air mixture, which is burned in a chamber about 200 ft long by 16 inch ID (i.e. it looks like a pipe). The chamber holds a 1 ton piston which is propelled at several hundred m/s down the chamber. On the other side of the piston is hudrogen gas, initially at room temperature andsome tens of atmospheres. The piston compresses and heats the hydrogen ahead of it until a stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures, at around 50,000 psi. The barrel of the gun is about 100 feet long and has a 4 inch bore. It is mounted at right angles to the chamber (i.e. they intersect). This was done so that in the future, the barrel could be raised and the gun fired into the air without having to move the larger and heavier chamber. The projectile being used in testing is a 5 kg cylinder of Lexan plastic, 4 in in diameter and about 50 cm long. All of the acceleration comes from the expansion of the hydrogen gas from 50,000 psi downwards until the projectile leaves the barrel. The barrel is evacuated, and the end is sealed with a sheet of plastic film (a little thicker than Saran wrap). The plastic is blown off by the small amount of residual air trapped in the barrel ahead of the projectile. The gun is fired into a bunker filled with sandbags and plastic water jugs. In the early testing fragments of the plastic projectile were found. At the higher speeds in later testing, the projectile vaporizes. The testing is into a bunker because the Livermore test range is about 3 miles across, and the projectile would go 100-200 km if fired for maximum range. The intent is to move the whole gun to Vandenberg AFB after the testing is complete, where they can fire into the Pacific Ocean, and use the tracking radar at VAFB to follow the projectiles. The design goal of the gun is to throw a 5 kg projectile at 4 km/s (half of orbital speed). So far they have reached 2 km/s, and the gun is currently down for repairs, as on the last test they blew a seal and damaged some of the hardware (I think it had to do with the methane-air more detonating than burning, but I haven't had a chance to talk to Hunter directly on this). There are people waiting to test scramjet components in this gun by firing then out of the gun into the air (at Mach 12= 4 km/s), since the most you can get in wind tunnels is Mach 8. This gun cost about 4 million to develop, and is basically a proof-of-concept for a bigger gun capable of firing useful- sized payloads into space. This would require on the order of 100 kg projectiles, which deliver on the order of 20 kg useful payload to orbit. Dani Eder

sci.space

~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4/02/93~~~~~~~~~~ 1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys broken) ASKING PRICE: $1700 OBO. Mind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged keyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000/030 (A4000-EC030/4 megs/120meg IDE HD/HD Floppy/v3.0 OS - $1899)? I'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less than 1K without monitor. Brand new the A3000-25mhz/50 meg HD/HD floppy/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so. Considering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS I'll offer $700. Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than $250-$300 these days. N. Tzeng

misc.forsale

sci.med

: > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this : >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor : >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt : >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. : : But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), : the domino theory wasn't disproved at all. Ironically, the domino theory in fact *was* a reasonable metaphor for the collapse of communism, from the liberalizations in Poland and Hungary to the border crossings in the summer of '89 to the fall of the Wall later that year....and then to the ultimate collapse of the USSR. -Tim May

sci.crypt

[...] According to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the highest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst. However, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average. So who would be better? Using Alomar's opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays) Alomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs. Baerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs. Using Baerga's opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays). Alomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs. Baerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs. Baerga looks better, though it's possible his DP% would be lower with a different SS. Will Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however? Alomar has established a high level of defense, Baerga has not. I would bet on Alomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| ([email protected]) |*| Grad Student At Large

rec.sport.baseball

For several years I have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion. There does not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem. My current episode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea. If it's bad enough, the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy. However, my doctor this time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to protect the area. Apparently the problem is not that common, but I'd be curious if anyone else out there has a similar problem, perhaps to see if a cause can be found.

sci.med

: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, : >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns : >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. : What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know : numerous people that are still using the original battery in there : 8-10 year old beemers. THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine. Mine lasted many years. The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster. The mechanic from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have problems to bring it back and they'd do it again. It seems that many of those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going strong by the end of the warantee period on them. THere was a big batch of bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones. BMW switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has less total juice. I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one third fewer dollars.

rec.motorcycles

I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet or higher, maybe not. I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged. Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap. Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet... Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350

rec.motorcycles

I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough (of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow). Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the buyer it has. Thanks for any insight.

sci.electronics

the off, machine the think in it Sorry, but mine works fine (C650)

comp.sys.mac.hardware

The law is much worse than worthless. It gives police the power to put innocent people in jail because they (the police) find something they don't understand. Most police don't know what the return key does, never mind the difference between a core file and classified military secrets. There are plenty of scenarios where the user would have no idea what something is either. It could be uninitialized junk. The burden of proof is on the user to show that it's something a normal upstanding citizen should have. No one should ever be put in that situation, especially in America. What's disgusting about this is how easily most people go along with it, to provide a bargaining chip against some hypothetical *alleged* child molester or drug dealer, or whatever bad thing is in style at the time. Basically most people don't have a clear distinction between criminals and suspects. As an analogy, it's like they find a loose screw in your house, and they insist that you're building a bomb or machine gun. They ask you where it came from (like you'd know), and ask you to prove your claim. When you explain it in such simple terms, people may start to get the idea. As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. If you think about it, there's no point in actually encrypting random data, because it just gives you different random data. If you want some data to look like an encrypted file, you just put an appropriate header on it. If enough people do this, some of them will be put in jail. When you get arrested and the police ask for your keys, you can tell them it's just random junk, although of course they won't believe you. While you're sitting in jail, you can take consolation in the fact that the government will burn a few CPU-years trying to find something that's not there.

sci.crypt

I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes "true" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the Branch Davidian "cult" from the Presbyterian "church"? Doctrinal differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as an answer. -- Scott at Brandeis "But God demonstrates His "The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us." the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace." -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]

soc.religion.christian

I will sell it for $33 including shipping...

misc.forsale

sci.electronics

I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me with XOpenWindow? I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this true? Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? Environment: AIXwindows X11R4 Motif 1.1 GL is available AIX Sys V 3.2 IBM RS/6000 360 Thanks in advance. Jay Graham Jade Simulations International Corp. 14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150 Nepean, Ontario, Canada 613-225-5900 x226

comp.windows.x

Hmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio/hand cranked generator/flashlight/siren I saw? :-) [function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high] Sure, you've already got the right idea. Ignoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just run it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10 ohms. This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out 1/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly less than 10 ohms. You may want to monkey with the values a little depending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or the availability of parts. Hows that sound? ---Joel Kolstad

sci.electronics

sci.space

[...] ^^^^^ [...] [...] Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread. I'm going to anyway, but I really hate it. Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway? Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse? Obmoto: I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling. It mentioned something about a signal for "Your passenger is on fire." Any body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy? This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute. ----- Tommy McGuire [email protected] [email protected]

rec.motorcycles

I apologize for the long delay in getting a response to this posted. I've been working reduced hours the past couple of weeks because I had a son born (the day after Umar's article was posted, btw). I did respond within a couple of days, but it turns out that a a coincidental news software rearrangement caused postings from this site to silently disappear rather than going out into the world. This is a revision of that original response. [this was in response to the claim that "Rushdie made false statements about the life of Mohammed", with the disclaimer "(fiction, I know, but where is the line between fact and fiction?) - I stand by this distinction between fiction and "false statements"] I had not seen that claim, or I might have been less sweeping. You have made what I consider factual misstatements about events in the book, which I have raised in the past, in the "ISLAM: a clearer view" thread as well as the root of the "Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]" thread. My statement was not that you had not read the book, but that you had not convinced me that you [inter alia] had. As I said before, if you want to defend your position, then produce evidence, and respond to the evidence I have posted; so far you have not. Of course, my statement was not directly aimed at you, but broadly at a number of Muslim posters who have repeated propaganda about the book, indicating that they haven't read it, and narrowly at Gregg Jaeger, who subsequently admitted that he hadn't in fact read the book, vindicating my skepticism in at least that one case. So far, the only things I have to go on regarding your own case are a) the statements you made concerning the book in the "a clearer view" posting, which I have challenged (not interpretation, but statements of fact, for instance "Rushdie depicts the women of the most respected family in all of Islam as whores"), and b) your claim (which I had not seen before this) that you have indeed read it cover to cover. I am willing to try to resolve this down to a disagreement on critical interpretation, but you'll have to support your end, by responding to my criticism. I have no doubt as to the ability of a particular Muslim to go through this book with a highlighter finding passages to take personal offense at, but you have upheld the view that "TSV *is* intended as an attack on Islam and upon Muslims". This view must be defended by more than mere assertion, if you want anyone to take it seriously. And I appreciate it, but welcome to the club. I am defending my honest opinion that this book should not be construed as a calculated (or otherwise) insulting attack on Islam, and the parallel opinion that most of the criticism of the book I have seen is baseless propaganda. I have supported my statements and critical interpretationa with in-context quotes from the book and Rushdie's essays, which is more than my correspondents have done. Of course, you are more than welcome to do so.

alt.atheism

I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range tranny on it. He usually only used the "economy" range to get an overdrive sixth gear out of it. He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen. It was recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going strong. The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive). Helluva bike. A data point,

rec.motorcycles

[email protected] suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work fine as long as the privae key remains secure. In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be, just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where everybody can have the key trivially. It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work. Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even be fun for some.

sci.crypt

talk.politics.guns

Undoubtedly people adopt atheism for many reasons, but I suspect that a biggie is that the God they've believed in is (in J.B. Phillips's words) "too small". If a person's understanding of God is not allowed to grow and develop, it will eventually become inadequate. The grey-haired gentleman on a throne who was a comforting image in childhood becomes a joke. A therapist friend of mine sometimes suggests to her clients that they "fire God". What she means by that is letting go of an inadequate understanding of God to make room for a fuller one. But she follows up by encouraging them to "hire a new one". My guess is that a lot of folks go through the firing process, but are not adequately supported in the subsequent re-hire.

soc.religion.christian

INteresting question about Galileo. Galileo's HGA is stuck. The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would cook the foci elements. question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? After all, it would normally be aimed at earth anyway? or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing and seek might have caused an HGA sun point?

sci.space

Actually, they won't. What they'll tell you is that if you add up the number of suicides, murders of one drug dealer by another, legit self-defenses of a battered spouse, and so on, you'll end up with a number that is much larger than the number of self-defense killings against strangers committed in the bedroom. (BTW - they didn't honestly count the latter either, but let's not quibble.) They try to claim that comparison is between the costs of self-defense and the benefits, but they're wrong. This comparison doesn't measure the costs of self-defense and it doesn't measure the benefits either. For example, the goal is not to kill the attacker, whatever your relationship to him, but to stop him. While the number of killings may be proportional to the number of stops, it isn't equal. Anyone who confuses that comparison with an honest evaluation is either lying or.... -andy

talk.politics.guns

Short reply: We can never achieve perfect health, yet we always strive for it. We don't seek to do God's will because we're forced to, we follow His way because His way is best. The reason it's hard is because we are flawed, not because He's unreasonable. But we seek to follow His way because we want to improve ourselves and our lives.

soc.religion.christian

The one I got only does about 4kb/s in text and 320x200 (VGA/MCGA) mode, which is almost identical to the other W5186 based cards (ATI 68800 does about 6kb/s). This is weird since the Orchid supposedly should be much faster (and I was told by someone that it can do almost 16 kb/s), since the VGA chip is covered by the Orchid label, I can't really tell for sure if it uses a 5286 chip, but the spec. sheet that comes with the board (no docs!) did say it has 1 meg dram and uses a 5286 chip. Winmarks (3.11) is about 4 mil. slower than a Viper (34 vs ~38) using standard palette. BTW if anyone is insterested, I'm trying to sell a Diamond Viper (2 megs vram) for a friend for $300, email if interested (I'm too broke to take it myself). I think it's available in limited quantites. No idea of what VGA chip it uses though. Be very careful with OEM P9000 boards though, the Orchid I got for example only has a readme file on disk that serve as documentation, and conflicts the hell with my VLB controller card (or maybe it's my motherboard, an A.I.R. 486 VLB)

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Could somebody provide an overview of the proposed systems using the chip? (Ought to see if ATT has a spec sheet) Skipjack sounds like a normal digital encryption algorithm, so the data path will have to be voice --> digitize --> compress --> encrypt Compression will be necessary to fit the data on the wire, unless they want to wait for ISDN (that we should be so lucky...). Feeding pre-encrypted data into the compressor will cause it to chuckle at you; you'd have to tap into the guts of the phone and hack either the compressed data stream, or selected parts of the output stream before it hits the modem. Unless you want to pay for two fast modems on top of the encryption, and just plug the box in between your phone and the wall.

sci.crypt

How does that compare with JPEG on the same images and hardware as far as size, speed, and image quality are concerned? Despite my skeptical and sometimes nearly rabid postings criticizing Barnsley and company, I am very interested in the technique. If I weren't I probably wouldn't be so critical. :-)

comp.graphics

I ran in to this problem I while ago, and from what I remember you should use XtTranslateCoordinates etc. after realizing the main widget to calculate the location of the popup, then use something like XtVaSetValues on the popup widgets before ever using them. Calling SetValues repeatedly (e.g. every time something pops up) seems to be what slows you down. I never delved deep enough to figure out exactly why though... --------------------------- Jeremy Payne UIUC Neuroscience program / College of Medicine [email protected] (217)244-4478

comp.windows.x

No, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein, low fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours of sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise mixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with lowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale and free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed has more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm.

sci.med

It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained. Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists, radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center bombers made in the past year. Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why wouldn't it happen?

sci.crypt

(a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) [Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.] WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT? --The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--

talk.politics.mideast

I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have 1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is 1024x768. --

comp.windows.x

:>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the :>Administration even sooner than we feared. : :I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't :just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have :been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and :other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a :system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. :If this guess is wrong, I apologize. I'm sure Dorothy Denning is an honest person and wouldn't lie to us. Simply think up a question to ask her about her involvement, but be very careful to phrase it in such a way that there can be no Jesuitical evasion or a true but wholly misleading answer. In this country, MI5 are *experts* at answering these questions; for instance there was a British journalist (Jonathon Moyle) killed in South America a couple of years ago. Parliament asked "Was he an MI5 employee" "No." - turns out afterwards he wasn't paid, therefore wasn't an employee. They could equally have said he wasn't an agent - he went abroad on his private business with no brief from MI5, but was interviewed and debriefed at length only *on his return*.

sci.crypt

I would like to program Tseng ET4000 to nonstandard 1024x768 mode by switching to standard 1024x768 mode using BIOS and than changing some timing details (0x3D4 registers 0x00-0x1F) but I don't know how to select 36 MHz pixel clock I need. The BIOS function selects 40 MHz. Is there anybody who knows where to obtain technical info about this. I am also interested in any other technical information about Tseng ET4000 and Trident 8900 and 9000 chipsets. thanks very much

comp.graphics

sci.electronics

If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information fast. My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is available which would work for our system? Some support software is obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the software we actually use for the visualization is all already written. Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your help.

comp.graphics

SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission. How will said re-boost be done? Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays, then return to earth? My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost? why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array tilt motor fix.

sci.space

Where in the Bible is there *any* teaching about an immaterial afterlife? I was always taught that both the O.T. Jews and the N.T. Christians would have found the notion incomprehensible--as do I. Don't we christians believe in the resurrection of the body? Or do you mean by material simply the stuff made of the 100+ elements that we know and love too much?

soc.religion.christian

I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after "months of investigation" for their raid. I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused of stockpiling a bunch of "9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15 and M16 assault rifles". Imagine that--they had ammunition! They also had aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn furniture...) The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?) Months of investigation! For this 80+ people died!

talk.politics.guns

Any suggestions as to what a better solution might be? I realize the off-hand nature of the numbers I used. And I can't answer as to what an acceptable loss rate is. However, as I said in another post, I despise the idea of supporting criminals for life. It's the economics of the situation that concern me most. The money spent feeding, clothing, housing and taking care of people who have demonstrated that they are unfit to live in society could go to a number of places, all of which I, and probably others, would consider far more worthwhile and which would enrish the lives of all Americans. Give people jobs, give the homeless shelter. Any number of things. Clyde

alt.atheism

: >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up : >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and : >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know : >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but : >humor us. Thanks for your help. :

rec.sport.baseball

: : >> Please enlighten me. How is omnipotence contradictory? : : >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules : >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed : >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts : >the rules of nature. : : Obviously, an omnipotent god can change the rules. When you say, "By definition", what exactly is being defined; certainly not omnipotence. You seem to be saying that the "rules of nature" are pre-existant somehow, that they not only define nature but actually cause it. If that's what you mean I'd like to hear your further thoughts on the question.

alt.atheism

Well, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious? Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. "The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia." (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead." Ohanus Appressian "Men Are Like That" p. 202. "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats in this alien land." (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity") <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324) No kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia today. A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its sovereignty. Serdar Argic

talk.politics.mideast

Not one, but two: Obesity in Europe 88, proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987

sci.med

1/64th or 63/64th? I must congratulate your analytical and excellent reportage about Diana. From the writings of tye biographers you quoted, I can perceive, maybe chauvinistically, the remnants of her Armenian genes. Even though she is only 1/64th Armenian, she seems to have many of the strong characteristics of Armenian women. Her Armenian ancestry is traced to Eliza Kewark (an Armenian from India), who married the Scottish merchant Thedore Forbes. From the union was born Kathleen Scott Forbes, who married James Crombie from Aberdeen. They had a daughter Jane, who married David Littlejohn. Their daughter Ruth married William Gill. Ruth Silvia Gill, the grandmother of Lady Diana, married Lord Fermoy, and their daughter, Frances Ruth Burke Roache, married the eight Earl of Spencer, who was the father of Lady Diana. It is noteworthy that Eliza Kewark was also referred to as Mrs. Forbesian (a characteristic Armenian surname ending). An Armenian-Scottish gene mix is dynamite. Levon K. Topuzian Assistant Professor Northwestern University Skoie, Illinois. TIME, December 21, 1992 'Letters' You have set up straw horses and knocked them down. I'm not impressed. Anyway, the Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia today. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)." (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. "In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake." "Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves." "With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies." Serdar Argic

talk.politics.mideast

I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. So that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from the simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And if they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how subtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while they are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. In my opinion considering any human being as having a substance or metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human being _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. Absolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and I am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of error-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with the teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa are highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. Alaikum Wassalam

alt.atheism

I'll tell youm all one thing. Steve howe and FARR are much better then the worst pitcher in yankee Pitching ___________________

rec.sport.baseball

Farr's ERA is in the

rec.sport.baseball

Archive-Name: rec-autos/part6 [New article as of 4 February 1993 -- rpw] Many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite automotive topics; rather fewer know how to do it. This article will provide the essential information for doing so on standard Unix systems. A shell script and examples of alias file setups are included which presently run on a Sparc 2 here at balltown.cma.com for a number of mailing lists. Note that if you do set up an automotive mailing list, please let me know of the -request address so that I can list it in the montly rec.autos posting. Also inform the keeper of the Usenet list-of-lists (check news.answers for this monthly posting.) First of all, to get anywhere, you need to either 1) be a sysadmin, or 2) have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin. It is also important that you have reasonably good network connectivity; if it seems like you get everything several days after anyone else, or that you have trouble getting email through, then your network connectivity is probably not good enough. Listserv: There is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv, which is available from several ftp servers on the network. Details of the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this article, but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should probably look at listserv carefully. The Alias file: On a typical unix system; there is a file named /usr/lib/aliases on whichever file server is your mail host; it contains lines such as: foo: bar, baz, bletch which means that any email sent the name `foo' on that host is redistributed to users bar, baz, and bletch. thus, the simplest possible email list is my-favorite-car: member1, member2, member3, my-address my-favorite-car-request: my-address this has a couple of problems; the most noticeable one being that you have to be superuser to edit the alias file. however, you can do the following, with the connivance of your sysadmin: my-favorite-car: :include:/home/mydir/misc/autos/my-favorite-car-list my-favorite-car-request: my-address Where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated addresses. This file can be in the list admin's home directory, owned by the list admin. Bounced Mail: this still has a problem; bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the members of the list, which is generally considered somewhat irritating. Therefore, the way that the driving school mailing list is set up is instructive (Thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup, by the way. I'm not sure where he got it from.) school-request: welty school-rebroadcast: :include:/home/newwelty/misc/autos/school/list school: "|/usr/local/adm/bin/explscript school" owner-school: school-request owner-school-out: school-request here's what is going on here: the owner- and -request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail coming from the network. the -request address also serves as the point of contact for administrative duties. school is what people send mail to; instead of pointing at addresses, it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending the email. school-broadcast (of which nobody except me knows the name; the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity) points at the actual list members. the shell script i use is as follows: ----------------- #!/bin/sh cd /tmp sed -e '/^Reply-To:/d' -e '/^Sender:/d' -e '/^From /d' | \ (echo Reply-To: ${1}@balltown.cma.com; \ echo Errors-To: ${1}[email protected]; \ echo Sender: ${1}[email protected]; \ cat -) | \ /usr/lib/sendmail -om -f ${1}[email protected] \ -F "The ${1} Mailing List" ${1}-rebroadcast exit 0 ------------------- note that this script does not know the name of the list; the name is passed in from outside, so that the script may be used for multiple lists (i run several out of this site.) the script excises Reply-To:, Sender:, and From lines from the incoming message, substitutes for Sender: and Reply-To:, and adds Errors-to: 99.9% of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the -request or owner- addresses if this header rewrite is done. For digested lists, there is some digestification software around. Hopefully I'll be able to provide more information in a future version of this posting. richard welty ([email protected])

rec.autos

The Centaur is controlled technology.. State Dept will not allow it to be used outside of US. Sorry.

sci.space

You're assuming that "go solar" = "photovoltaic". Solar dynamic power (turbo-alternators) doesn't have this problem. It also has rather less air drag due to its higher efficiency, which is a non-trivial win for big solar plants at low altitude. Now, you might have to replace the *rest* of the electronics fairly often, unless you invest substantial amounts of mass in shielding. References? Such treaties have been *proposed*, but as far as I know, none of them has ever been negotiated or signed.

sci.space

Begging everyone's pardon, I was not slamming Motif, nor was I necessarily plugging/flaming the two. I was responding to the sweet blithe statement in: <rick.734610425@digibd> from [email protected] (Rick Richardson) rick> This is one area where Microsoft NT has a big advantage. Since rick> they control the whole show, there are no issues like this where rick> licensees create incompatible defacto standards. This happy statement shows a mindset that inventors and companies have when they are pleased with something that works, and they believe that others will also be happy to use it. I remember when _SunView_ was hot stuff (and am not, by that statement, endorsing Sun and its products, this is just my experience), and when OpenWindows became hot stuff, that was when I started hearing, as mentioned before, the "socialistic masses" that were bent on destroying _anything_ that was deemed proprietary, including OpenWindows. I mentioned Motif in the same breath, because that is what Sun has decided to turn its attention to, not because I hate it. Mr. Richardson's position, I believe, is a healthy one, and I am sure that the seething hackers will soon try to flame and destroy NT, if it ever shows up, wanting instead everything to be free, and then complaining when there is no organized structure and there are no de facto standards. It was just a vent for frustration brought on by prevailing winds.

comp.windows.x

From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected]: It certainly is provable. Around a million Americans every year defend themselves with firearms. In many of these cases the defender doesn't even have to fire a shot! The mere presence of a gun is oftentimes all the deterrent that is needed. I don't like violence anymore than anyone else does. But, taking away the right of Americans to keep and bear arms is not the solution to the violent crime problem in this country. If honest, law-abiding citizens are unable to get firearms then they will be preyed on even more by criminals who will be able to acquire guns through illegal channels. Expect to start seeing the crime syndicates who smuggle drugs into this country start smuggling guns. Believe me this will happen. There is *plenty* of economic incentive for gangsters to illegaly import guns into this country if guns should be banned by the Klintonistas. Statistics, por favor? See my previous post. That ought to set you straight. People have the right to keep and bear arms no matter what the Constitution says. That means that even if the 2nd Amendment is repealed the *people* (that's all American citizens FYI) will *still* have the right to keep and bear arms. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot

talk.politics.guns

What group is this? This is not a MAC group. Why the spec list again? We are talking SCSI on a PC, not on a MAC or a UNIX box. And we are talking ISA bus, or possibly EISA or VLB. This isin't comp.periphs.SCSI. Tell me what the performance figures are with a single SCSI drive on a PC with an ISA (or EISA or VLB) bus. Theoretical performance figures are not relevant to this group or this debate. I'm sure that there are some platforms out there that can handle the 40 megs/sec of SCSI xyz wide'n'fast, but the PC isin't one of them.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, however, because that's not written in their little rule book. I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. Not that the stuff is BAD or POISON and needs to be banned, but people need to be aware that it can have a bad effect on SOME people. Lone Wolf

sci.med

Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it. Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics. Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however, that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing the members of our society. Your mileage obviously varies. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine [email protected] They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.

alt.atheism

Bill Vojak: BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to "trim" down BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-( Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.... --- . OLX 2.2 . There is no way they can get over here! A. Maginot

talk.politics.guns

------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netters! I need a cdrom drive as my order was cancelled and thought 'Why not ask the net.community'? I was ordering a Nec CDR-74 but saw so much cheaper ones that I want to know more. The drive will be used to install software and (if available) for listening to CD's. Perhaps some day I'll want to use it to read the other CD's, but that's not really relevant at the moment. I've been offered the following CD-ROM players, for the prices stated. They all claim to have SCSI-I, and operate under OS/2. The drives are not listed in the cdrom-faq and therefor, please give your opinions on the drives, i've got the impression that they're not all SCSI. Actually the Nec was listed as non-scsi in the cdrom-faq and as a compatible SCSI product in the os2faq. I've calculated the prices as having dutch guilders times 2. It's actually about times 1.8. Mitsumi CRMC $240 Philips LMS-I $300 Philips 205 $350 Toshiba ? $370 Nec CDR-74 $650 Who bought that Trantor that is in the faq? It's extremely cheap and SCSI, so what's the trick or where can I order it (Holland using MasterCard). Trantor T128 $200

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the NT, it is expected that when believers gather, - people will prophesy - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. Scripture is scripture; there is no "gift of scripture". And I don't know about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, they'll have a better handle on it the next time. Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed -- but God is not silent! Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise.

soc.religion.christian

Well, the fact of the matter is that poverty is imperfectly related to social and political instability, while economic inequality is much more strongly related. In virtually all major revolutions including England (the Puritan revolution), France, Russia and China, the revolutions occurred as economies were undergoing substantial long term growth and poverty was declining. What sets off revolutions is massive inequality coupled with a perception on the part of those at the bottom that social change is possible. If "poverty (were) the main engine of social instability," this typical historical pattern would not hold. In fact, revolutions would have been far more typical before the nineteenth century than since that time. [Much deleted...] Sorry, buddy, but some other "blowhards" managed to include the "general welfare" in another portion of the constitution. Article I Section 8: "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes...to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States..." I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood they meant what they said in the preamble. But as noted above, the constitution doesn't say that, does it? But since it explicitly includes both the general welfare and defense in Article I, Section 8, I guess you'll grant that botha are constitutional functions. Right? jsh

talk.politics.misc

No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS. It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems.

comp.windows.x

It's made by Rohm. (as is all BAxxx parts). Call 714-855-2131 and ask if you can get a sample (it's only like a $2 part).

sci.electronics

Dear friends, I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. As part of the requirements for a research class in music education I designed a questionnaire to colect data for my research project. The study intends to determine which techniques (if any) have been used to teach music for the deaf. If you have any experience in music education for the deaf and would like to help me with this project, your help would be very much appreciated. If you also want to exchange some ideas about the subject matter, feel yourself welcome. I have been working in this area for a while (in Brazil _ by the way, I am Brazilian _ and also in US) and I am very pleased with the results. I hope that this inquiry will not cause too many inconveniences. Thank you for or time and consideration. __QUESTIONNAIRE__ Teaching Music for deaf children. NAME ________________________________ ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ *If you checked "other", please indicate your major: ____ Some school systems require music to be taught to deaf children, other school systems have not thought of the possibility to teach music for children with hearing limitations. The following questionnaire was designed to find out how teachers face the issue of teaching or not teaching music for the deaf. Also, a part of this study is to determine teachers attitudes towards music programs for deaf children. DIRECTIONS: READ THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE THE NUMBER THAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSIC FOR DEAF CHILDREN (LEFT COLUMN), AND CIRCLE THE APPROPRIATE "YES", "NO" OR "NOT APPLICABLE", WHETHER YOU DO THE TASK (RIGHT COLUMN). SD= Strongly disagree Y= yes DIS= Disagree N= no NEU= Neutral N/A= not applicable AG= Agree SA= Strongly agree SD DIS NEU AG SA COMPETENCIES Y N N/A ___________________________________________________________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 1.Deaf children can be educated in y n n/a music. 1 2 3 4 5 2.Deaf children should have regular y n n/a music classes. 1 2 3 4 5 3.A special music teacher must posses y n n/a an appropriate training in a variety of communication methods to use with deaf children. 1 2 3 4 5 4.In preparing the lessons the teacher y n n/a must keep in mind that deaf children may present special needs in order to participate in musical activities. 1 2 3 4 5 5.Deaf and normal hearing children y n n/a should have music classes together. 1 2 3 4 5 6. 80% of a succesful music experience y n n/a by a deaf child depends upon the teacher's creativity and commitment with the subject matter. 1 2 3 4 5 7.Deaf children can learn to appreciate y n n/a music but they will never be a musician or a performer. 1 2 3 4 5 8.Deaf children are not able to y n n/a discriminate and recognize sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 9.Deaf children can not distinguish y n n/a among loud and soft sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 10.Deaf children can never match the y n n/a music in their head to a note on a musical instrument. 1 2 3 4 5 11.The most appropriate material to y n n/a start music classes for the deaf would be the folk songs said he would be replaced by the military commandant of Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official confirmation.

talk.politics.mideast

(Robert L. McMillin) rants: And how did the "free love advocates of the 1960's" manage to perform this demolition--forced breeding programs or something? Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about how people need to take personal responsibility for their economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals (such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor people are just too dumb to think for themselves? There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family and support systems in general among this nation's poor. Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at the top of any sane person's list. You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called "relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real education first--I mean, we took that for granted.

talk.politics.misc

Golly, I love stupid people. :-) Listen, Rex, this is hockey. The NHL, to be precise. And in the NHL, there exist these things called "ties". A tie occurs when a game ends with the score for each team equal. Each team gets one point for a tie. There also exits these things called "wins". A win is when one team has a higher score than the opponent. (Oh yeah, only two teams play each other at a time, so I can say "the opponent".) A team gets two points for a win. So, let's say that a team has a record of 38 wins, 36 losses, and 10 ties. Another team has a record of 40 wins, 38 losses and 6 ties. The first team has (38*2)+10 = 86 points. The second team has (40*2)+6 = 86 points. WOW! They *both* have the same number of points, but the number of wins is different! How did they do that??!?!?!?! That's amazing. So, Rex, when people talk about wins being the first tiebreaker, well, then that's what it means. In our example, the second team would win the tiebreaker and therefore have the "better" record, even though both teams had the same number of points. If you didn't understand this post, Rex, maybe you should go back and read it again, very slowly. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! [email protected] IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!

rec.sport.hockey

A 68070 is just a 68010 with a built in MMU. I don't even think that Moto. manufactures them. - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon

comp.graphics

Sometimes I have a problem with doctor's prescribing medicine like this. I of course don't know the exact situation, and anti-depressants may work, but it isn't helping the ringing at all, is it? Mine started about three years back. Turns out I have tinnitus bilateral (translation: ringing in both ears, basically ;). If this is what it is, she'll probably get used to it. It would keep me up and drive me nuts too, but nowadays, I have to plug both my ears with my fingers to check to see if they are ringing. Usually they are, but you get so used to it, it just gets tuned out. Yes, this is what I've read about it... not just from my own personal experience. Millions have it, according to my physician. You just learn to cope with it (like I mentioned earlier) by ignoring it. It eventually becomes unconscious. The doc also said it could be caused by diet (ie: too much caffeine) and stress, but I haven't changed my lifestyle much, and it just comes and goes (it is always there somewhat, but now I rarely notice it when it really "kicks in"). Also, it doesn't necessarily mean there is any hearing loss, either caused by it or causing it. I had an ENT (ear/nose/throat) exam, and passed. In fact, my hearing is quite good considering I don't take as good of care of my hearing as I should. Her reaction is normal. If it is tinnitus, chances are good she'll begin to not even notice it. This info is taken mostly from a few "experts", my own experience, and some readings (sorry, it was a few years back and don't have any specifics handy).

sci.med

Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT I have a $400 credit with Northwest Airlines which must be used by Nov 27, 1993. There is a $50 charge to change the ticket, so I will sell it for $320. It can be used for any Northwest flight, but I don't think they will refund cash. Please contact me at [email protected] or (415)857-5878.

misc.forsale

The N A T I O N A L D A Y o f P R A Y E R 6 M A Y 1 9 9 3 IMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM; : : : JOIN AMERICA IN PRAYER TO: : : : : * Acknowledge our dependence upon God; : : : : * Give thanks for His many blessings; : : : : * Ask God to guide our leaders and to : : bring healing, reconciliation and whole- : : ness to our nation and all its people. : : : HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM< OUR FOUNDING FATHERS SAID... George Washington: "I now make it my earnest prayer that God... (A.D. 1783) would be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with charity and humility, and a pacific temper of mind, which were characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation." John Adams: "It must be felt that there is no national security (A.D. 1853) but in the nation's humble, acknowledged dependence upon God and His overruling providence." Abraham Lincoln: "It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, (A.D. 1863) to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions...and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord..." NOTE: You can join with people in your area in observing the NATIONAL DAY Of PRAYER. To learn who is affiliated with the Concerts Of Prayer group in your area, contact:

soc.religion.christian

Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it.

talk.politics.guns

Do you know if there is an airport nearby? They may just be markers to tell pilots of small planes that there are power lines nearby.

sci.electronics

The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media. The facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians in any other war of comparable size this century! This was due mostly to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques which were technically possible only recently. The idea that "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi citizens died is ludicrous. Not even "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi soldiers died, and they were the ones being targeted! Or do you think that the US and its allies were specifically out to kill and maim Iraqi civilians? Either the smart bombs didn't hit their targets (and we know they did), or they were targeting civilian targets (!) which is hardly condusive to destroying Iraq's military potential. The military mission planners are not fools, they know they have to hit *military* targets to win a war. Hitting civilian targets does nothing but unite the people against you, not a laudable goal if one wants the people to rise up against their tyrant-dictator. How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? I don't hear you bemoaning them! War is never an exact science, but with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage of civilian casualties. Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are misidentified; innocents die. That's war the way it really is. But the alternative, to allow tyrannical dictators to treat the earth like it's one big rummage sale, grabbing everything they can get is worse. Like Patrick Henry said some 217 years ago, "I know not what course others may take -- but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" War is always the price one must be willing to pay if one wishes to stay free. Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here. You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I feel sure that was not your intent. So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh? I'm sure that appeasement would have worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh? I guess we shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. How about all the poor French who died in the crossfire because we invaded the continent? We should have just let Hitler take over Europe, and you'd be speaking German instead of English right now. Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped. His kind don't understand diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun. My only regret is that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught. Liberating Kuwait was a good thing, but wiping Hussein off the map would've been better! And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of "not guilty"? Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I have not seen. When one makes a judgment without the benefit of a trial where evidence can be presented on both sides, one has simply lowered himself to the level of vigilante justice, a state-of-mind which your sarcasm above seemingly spoke against, but instead tends to support in the case against the policemen. Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused, whether they be criminals or cops. One is not found guilty if there is a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position to assess the evidence and render a verdict. Anyone else is simply succumbing to verbal vigilantism. Regards,

alt.atheism

So what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St. Louis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks reported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV? What a schmuck. In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck.

rec.sport.hockey

You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the like!

rec.sport.hockey

I see one thing wrong with your strategy. The boy who cried wolf. __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |"Lost Horizons" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |"The Embalmer" IT175 | - anonymous

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rec.sport.baseball

Didn't the new study asked "have you engaged in homosexual intercourse within the last two years" whereas Kinsey asked "have you ever engaged or thought about engaging in homosexual activity". Sort of like the difference between "did you have yogurt this morning" and "are you allergic to lactose". -- -- Michal

talk.politics.misc

I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm. Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great.

comp.windows.x

I am a student at UW-Eau Claire. I am doing a paper an witches and wanted to get your point of view. I will not use you name unless you specifically tell me to do so. Please answer this question: As a Christian, are you offended by witches and Wiccan? Do you feel that tehy are pagan in the evil sense of the word? You time and cooperation is appreciated. Thanks, J. -This survey is being conducted in partial fulfillment of the course requirements for Engl 201, taught by Karen Welch at the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire. This course is in compliance with the course certification requirements of the University Institutional Review Board for the PRotection of Human Subjects.

soc.religion.christian

Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell is he thinking. Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every team in the league. Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home, I can't take this anymore brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. --

rec.sport.baseball