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HeydoubleU (Streamer memes)[https://www.youtube.com/c/HeydoubleU/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/HeydoubleU/videos]Pacifist% - DarkViperAU GTA 5 Series[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeG-uBQrAnS-pjzHT41G8lwt https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeG-uBQrAnS-pjzHT41G8lwt] |
I Never Thought This Day Would Come… |
'''Original video: '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtiwNk2LOU I Never Thought This Day Would Come...] |
Ludwig: Drama alert! Drama alert! And we have some juicy stuff right here, between 2 YouTubers; DarkViperAU and moist critikal! |
Who’s DarkViperAU and why does that sound so familiar? He’s a GTA speedrunner, he sounds so weirdly familiar.. Did he do Pokémon unboxing? Oh…! That’s where i know him from, he’s the guy who calculated Ludwig’s total money earned on his subathon and then he deleted the video because it was wildly inaccurate. I figured exactly what happened, he just forgot about taxes. I totally forgot about it because by the time I found it, people had already made fun of him, and he deleted the video, so I never really watched the video. I only knew that he had made a video, but I didn't really watch it. |
And, my only experience with DarkViperAU is that he made a video about how much money I made on the subathon. It was wildly inaccurate, and he deleted it before I even saw it, and that is pretty much it. |
'''DarkViper: '''I seriously can't believe Ludwig is still pointing this shit. It's been over a year! You might not know this guy but this is Ludwig. He decided to give his opinion on the dispute that I had with Charlie over react content. I am however going to detour from that to explain what he said here which is similar bullshit to what he would say a year ago. I let it slide back then in part because I was a fan of his but also because he was the golden child of live streaming at the time, which made calling him out directly for his dishonesty an intimidating prospect. Of course, all of that has now changed with the passing of a year, and Ludwig now bringing up old history has given me the perfect opportunity to bring clarity to an awkward event that happened during Ludwig’s subathon.'''DarkViper: '''So our story begins <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#202122;">March 14, 2021, when Ludwig began his "subathon" stream, a near-continuous stream of his life with a running clock dictating how much longer the stream <span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#202122;">would run, with every paid subscription to his Twitch channel adding to the timer. But it was 10 days later on March 24th 2021 where our drama truly began. On this day Ludwig boldly claimed that despite having brought in revenue of half a million dollars in ten days, he personally was only going to receive $3000. My first though upon watching this in my kitchen was that surely everyone would know this is dumb and obviously wrong, right? Sure, Ludwig did misrepresent how taxes work and how much content creators make in general, misinformation which could negatively impact his viewers, but how many people could a livestream possibly reach anyway? Later at my PC, I saw that it was at the top of livestreamfail subreddit with 5k upvotes, spreading this misinformation further and no one seemed to be pointing out that it was inaccurate. I got into bed that night, I was browsing Tiktok and wouldn’t you know it, “Did you know Ludwig is only taking home 3k of his half a million dollars of revenue. Only 10k for the entire subathon”. I wake up the next day, article after article after article after article, repeating the same misinformation without correction. Surprisingly, not a peep from Ludwig who seemingly did not care that he spread misinformation seemingly now to half the world. With every step of the way I kept saying to myself, this isn’t my problem, surely someone has explained to Ludwig his mistake and he will come out and say “my bad, I was unaware I didn’t know how taxes worked, whoops' '. What I didn’t expect was that two days later Ludwig would make these exact same false claims but now in a YouTube video. Given that he had distributed this misinformation not once but twice, clearly, Ludwig either was unaware of his mistake, or was fine with how his finances were being misrepresented. This left me with a dilemma.'''DarkViper: '''I was in bed very tired as I was in the process of moving my sleeping pattern, when I saw Ludwig upload this video. Barely alive I am reading comments exclaiming how poor Ludwig is being fucked by taxes and “I can’t believe how little money Ludwig makes' ' so on and so forth. So, being a fan of Ludwig’s I was of course conflicted, as a part of me didn’t want to cause a fuss but I do enjoy helping people and I hate misinformation. So I initially left a comment explaining what Ludwig had gotten wrong, but I realized no one would likely see it. I figured as I couldn’t get to sleep, I may as well get up, make a short video, and do some calculations. It was a true Thanos moment, if no one else was going to correct this, “Fine, I will do it myself”.'''DarkViper: '''So I made an exceptionally dry, tired 3 minute video explaining taxation. I pointed out that Ludwig had mistakenly taxed his gross revenue while he should have deducted his expenses prior to that point. I also explained that federal and state taxes need to be calculated separately, in part because you can’t just combine two seperate percentage calculations together, but also because state taxes are a deduction for federal taxes. And in response to the comments, I explained how progressive taxes work: if a person makes 500k they do not pay the top tax bracket on all of it, instead they pay different rates for each portion in its corresponding bracket. Which is something that I had already done previously in my rambles series. |
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'''DarkViper: '''So it took me a few tries but I managed to get it done. After rendering it, making a thumbnail, and releasing it, I got back into bed. I further updated the comment I left initially with the new calculations had the corrections considered. Understand, this video had no discussion of what motivated Ludwig in his misinformation, or what would motivate him to want to detail his taxes and expenses in the first place. To this day, I have never heard a person getting half a million dollars and then explaining about their taxes or how much they chose to give to their friends and charity. Funnily enough, a similar thing actually happened to me when the Twitch income leaks happened in 2021, and people found out I had made 500k over 26 months. One of the first things my manager suggested I do when this happens, was downplay it by talking about my taxes and expenses. I of course didn’t do that, because when you are earning a lot of money attempting to downplay your wealth it is a pretty scummy thing to do. What I am trying to say is, it was well within my power to present Ludwig as a devious trickster but I didn't think he was. I only focused on correcting the misinformation that could lead people to make poor decisions with their lives, as I have done numerous times before.'''DarkViper: '''So ideal world, this is where the story ends. But the story continues, as Ludwig replied to my comment: “LoL, I wish I got $5 per sub”. So, what happened? While my math was correct, as was my information about taxes, I had forgotten that Ludwig was not using his Twitch analytics. Afterall, I had seen the footage two days prior. For whatever reason, Ludwig was using statistics generated by his viewers that gave wildly inaccurate figures and outright ignored the money Ludwig was making from ad revenue. I was tired, so I did calculations based on the first number that was on Ludwig’s screen forgetting its dubious source. I mean, it was called 10 days of streaming, how could I possibly have confused that for his revenue he generated streaming over 10 days. Any sane person would have remembered this figure was actually any revenue visible on screen to a handful of viewers that had no idea how Twitch fees or revenue share worked who went through Ludwig’s VoDs. Any Twitch streamer who isn’t Ludwig, if they wanted to share the revenue they made streaming would just go to the Twitch backend and give exact figures. Ludwig’s preference for a website he knew to be inaccurate, given that he could see it conflicted with his Twitch analytics which would have told him it was downplaying his revenue, is not something I can not explain to you. But it is something I should have been something I took into account and this was my error that Ludwig termed “wildly inaccurate”.'''DarkViper: '''Let me ask you, long did this error exist? A month, a week, a few days perhaps. I mean, Ludwig is sitting in his glass house made of his gross misrepresentations throwing stones at me about my error still a year later. So surely you’d imagine my video must have reached a staggering amount of people over a very long period? But no, the video existed for 20 minutes and reached about 2000 people. |
'''DarkViper: '''I saw Ludwig’s comment the second he made it, so I privated my video because unlike Ludwig I care about being accurate. I got out of bed again, even more tired now, and I spent the next half an hour stumbling over my words to make a new video. I used his inaccurate figures and came to a result of 66 thousand dollars, which was 22x higher than what Ludwig claimed. This obviously still undershot what he was actually taking home by a factor of 2 but hey it used the numbers he wanted so I figured he’d be happy. I then updated my comment with this new information which you can see on his video to this day. It was only at this point after two days that Ludwig finally commented on the issue, perhaps feeling bullied by me giving the timing, where he said “whoops guys, I did some bad math, I probably made between 40k and 70k”. Now it should be obvious that Ludwig didn’t do bad math, he didn’t just not carry one somewhere. He just straight up didn’t know how taxes worked, and seemingly even how percentages worked. This he fully admitted 10 days later when he finally made an update in a video where he acknowledged that what he said over a week ago was horseshit. |
Ludwig: Last time, a few people took a clip of me doing the calculations which, I am no count, and I don't know calculations well, and then, ending with 3k and then, had the takeaway that Im walking away with 3k. Which isn't correct, so, yeah, the takeaway was not 3k. There is a lot in write-offs, and I think I have a better understanding of how to do it. I dont know the actual number, its not a meme, im not pretending to be dumb, i genuinely didnt pay my teaxes in 2018 because i was stressed out because i didnt know how to find my adjusted gross income, and i was so stressed that i just ignored it until i hired slime, and then slime did it for me. |
'''DarkViper: '''After I made my video, Ludwig on his livestream in front of 10s of thousands of people made endless false claims about me and my work. |
Ludwig: There was a guy who I'm not gonna harp on anymore and bring up his name, who posted a comment on the last video saying what the full sum was. |
'''DarkViper: '''I didn’t understand at the time why so much of what he said was inaccurate, but learning now that he didn't even watch the video it all makes more sense. But like, if he didn’t watch the video, why did he talk about it at all then? Why is he even bringing it up now? I had people send me clips, long gone now, where he and his friend slime would say entirely made up garbage and laugh at me. I went through some seriously distressing cognitive dissonance at the time as I tried to rationalize how a guy I liked was being a total asshole just because I tried to help people. My mod put it best at the time: “So Ludwig talked to Matt in YouTube comments, Matt corrected for twitch sub ratio, but Ludwig still goes ahead on stream to talk about how twitch sub ratio was not included?” |
Ludwig: On the last video seeing what the full sum was but assumed that i took away five dollars from Twitch |
'''DarkViper: '''Ludwig proceeded to whine as if the slightly incorrect original video that existed for 20 minutes had been hand delivered to every person on the planet. The hypocrisy of at all, after this is a guy, on multiple occasions, entirely misled literally millions of people about his finances with seemingly little care.I am not sure when i took my video down, but I left it up for months, more than enough time for him to watch it, but he was seemingly more keen to misrepresent me and it as a means of deflecting from his own mistakes. |
'''DarkViper: '''So that WAS where the story ended. Ludwig said a bunch of bullshit in front of tens of thousands of people and I had to read people annoyingly repeat this to me for the next few weeks. “Is that DarkViperAU? The guy who doesn't understand taxes?” But now we are in the present day, where Ludwig annoying again brought up this bullshit. So I DM'd him about it and I can’t tell if he was just trying to gaslight me, or if he has just rewritten his past in his head to justify the stupid shit he said then and now. |
'''DarkViper: '''This is clearly false.Ludwig: “Its not a meme, im not pretending to be dumb”. |
'''DarkViper: '''So it was a meme, a sincere attempt at transparency, a math error, and a result of you not understanding taxes. I mean, when just throw every excuse at the wall and see what sticks. |
'''DarkViper: '''This of course was not the case, Ludwig not only let it sit for over 2 days, but he only left a comment after I had updated mine. I have proof of this because my video at the time, you can see Ludwig’s comment is not there, but mine is completely updated. So little care did he have to correct it formally that he didn’t state in a video that it was incorrect for 10 days. Ludwig could have literally removed the entire section with the YouTube editor in 5 seconds, but he just didn't care to. |
'''DarkViper: '''He didn’t even watch the video. |
'''DarkViper: '''This man was an asshole to me, now running an entire year, because his chat told him bullshit that he just ran with rather than watching a 3 minute video to find out if it was true? This is so stupid it is hard to believe. |
'''DarkViper: '''This guy ran YouTube videos on his stream for like 15 out of the 30 days, he could have watched the video if he wanted to. He had more than enough time to tweet during that period, but not ask for help considering he didn’t understand how taxes worked? But that is the problem, Ludwig was surprisingly unaware of how little he knew thus he didn’t know to ask for help. It should go without saying, obviously he didn’t correct it immediately or we woudlnt fucking be here. |
'''DarkViper: '''Ludwig has deluded himself to the extent that he believes somehow not having OBS active would have taught him how taxes worked. Did someone put a gun to his head and force him to cut up his revenue on stream? Did his Twitch viewers kidnap his family and demand a detailed breakdown of his taxation and expenses? Who was asking for this? It is why other people speculated on why Ludwig kept doing this breakdown throughout the subathon because many of the possible motivations did not paint him in a good light. |
'''DarkViper:''' I hope you agree that it is pretty funny for Ludwig to accuse me of being wildly inaccurate, and not understanding taxes, when he seems to have projected his own faults onto me, and wiped the vent from his mind. We will pick up Ludwig’s response to the dispute I have with moist critical overreact content in the next video. I'm sorry for this slide detour, but that event a year ago was amazingly annoying then, and his encapsulation of it now was even more. SO if you can’t wait, be sure to watch the second video in this series, linked down below where I look at react content from every angle and reference some data to show its impact. Spoilers: Everyone loses except the reactors. I hope you agree, Ludwig encapsulation of this event as “DarkViperAU made a wildly inaccurate video that he deleted before I could see it” is either just a flat out lie or such a gross mischaracterization that it is peak dishonesty. Although, Ludwig has this issue where he often speaks seemingly without any thought, which is going to become relevant in the next video where I look at Ludwig’s response to my dispute with charlie over react content. |
Sources |
This YouTuber “steals” his views. |
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLKG6017_lc&t=31s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLKG6017_lc&t=31s] |
Ludwig is left with 3000 dollars out of 470 000 after paying off Mods and Charity. |
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_p8wj-G69w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_p8wj-G69w][https://www.youtube.com/c/Ludwigahgren/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Ludwigahgren/videos]I livestreamed every minute of my life for 3 weeks and here's how much I earned |
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtsG_MEK-Zc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtsG_MEK-Zc]Ludwig Subathon[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThvKnVHDeF0iGgL7Bkx6wz_SE2hh2RvxzqEHyqtZvR3H0DXuOwwh5MdwnbzMYvluul97ld364VANqm/pubhtml https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThvKnVHDeF0iGgL7Bkx6wz_SE2hh2RvxzqEHyqtZvR3H0DXuOwwh5MdwnbzMYvluul97ld364VANqm/pubhtml]I livestreamed every minute of my life for 10 days and here's how much I earned |
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixO-_v2fB4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixO-_v2fB4Y] |
How Much Money I Made From the Subathon. |
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJdWey4-MdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJdWey4-MdM] |
Old Ludwig subathon |