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1 | Goodbye, Papa. It's hard to die. But the stars on the beach were just. No, the starfish on the beach were the stars I read. | goodbye, papa. it's hard to die. but the stars on the beach were just. no, the starfish on the beach were the stars i read. | |
2 | didn't have enough ESP. I was, when I was standing on top of the PA speakers on those columns, I was trying to do a solo like, you know, arena rock. | didn't have enough esp. i was, when i was standing on top of the pa speakers on those columns, i was trying to do a solo like, you know, arena rock. | |
3 | Yeah, probably. I think so. My father one time. | yeah, probably. i think so. my father one time. | |
4 | A few years ago, he wrote me a letter and he said, I would like, in one way or another, he said, you know, if it wasn't for. | a few years ago, he wrote me a letter and he said, i would like, in one way or another, he said, you know, if it wasn't for. | |
5 | It's just, you know, some environments are more restrictive than others. No, that was about the time. | it's just, you know, some environments are more restrictive than others. no, that was about the time. | |
6 | Yeah, he made a compilation tape for me. I was commuting back and forth between Aberdeen and Monteceno. I was living in Aberdeen, and I was going to school in Monteceno, which is about thirty miles away. | yeah, he made a compilation tape for me. i was commuting back and forth between aberdeen and monteceno. i was living in aberdeen, and i was going to school in monteceno, which is about thirty miles away. | |
7 | together all the time. You know, we're best friends. She's my best friend. And so when she's playing music, I like to listen to it and maybe suggest some things. And she does the same thing with me, too. And. | together all the time. you know, we're best friends. she's my best friend. and so when she's playing music, i like to listen to it and maybe suggest some things. and she does the same thing with me, too. and. | |
8 | She's just, this was just an opportunity for her to, she came with us and her, and Patty, her drummer came too. It's just a vacation and so this was just a spontaneous thing for them to just make a few demos. | she's just, this was just an opportunity for her to, she came with us and her, and patty, her drummer came too. it's just a vacation and so this was just a spontaneous thing for them to just make a few demos. | |
9 | see what they're gonna do with that arnaldo baptista is that how you pronounce his name. | see what they're gonna do with that arnaldo baptista is that how you pronounce his name. | |
10 | who has a record label called Gassatanker Records, and he was in White Flag. | who has a record label called gassatanker records, and he was in white flag. | |
11 | And he's friends with Red Cross. He's a very nice guy. He has a mustache. | and he's friends with red cross. he's a very nice guy. he has a mustache. | |
12 | all-girl Japanese band on tour with us in England. And they've been a favorite of ours for years, and no one really knows who they are in England or anywhere in Europe. And we've taken the Melvins on tour with us. | all-girl japanese band on tour with us in england. and they've been a favorite of ours for years, and no one really knows who they are in england or anywhere in europe. and we've taken the melvins on tour with us. | |
13 | In the future, we hope to take Hall and Jesus Lizard and a bunch of other bands who we like. | in the future, we hope to take hall and jesus lizard and a bunch of other bands who we like. | |
14 | I mean, still, I can't think of anything else I'd rather do. | i mean, still, i can't think of anything else i'd rather do. | |
15 | It's not as excited as everyone thinks. But it's getting harder for me to jump out in the audience now because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. | it's not as excited as everyone thinks. but it's getting harder for me to jump out in the audience now because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. | |
16 | I don't know what they realize actually, because they're putting their hands in my pockets and trying to steal my money and my wallet, and they're hitting me really hard. | i don't know what they realize actually, because they're putting their hands in my pockets and trying to steal my money and my wallet, and they're hitting me really hard. | |
17 | So, I don't know, after a while I'm probably not going to be able to do it anymore. That's too bad because it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. | so, i don't know, after a while i'm probably not going to be able to do it anymore. that's too bad because it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. | |
18 | that will be recorded on eight-track, go back to the Bleach sound. Because I really like the production of Bleach, and I don't know, I feel kind of weird straying so far away from it. There's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on the next record. | that will be recorded on eight-track, go back to the bleach sound. because i really like the production of bleach, and i don't know, i feel kind of weird straying so far away from it. there's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on the next record. | |
19 | violence and we don't even appreciate violence, but. | violence and we don't even appreciate violence, but. | |
20 | I don't give a shit if it's cliche or not, or if it's been done by bands before. I think. | i don't give a shit if it's cliche or not, or if it's been done by bands before. i think. | |
21 | And so we do everything in our power to keep it exciting, and sometimes that involves. | and so we do everything in our power to keep it exciting, and sometimes that involves. | |
22 | any rock and roll band has those tendencies to do stuff like that, just to keep themselves sane. | any rock and roll band has those tendencies to do stuff like that, just to keep themselves sane. | |
23 | And then just going straight to the hotel afterwards to sleep and then start it all over again. And not eating regularly and driving on a bus for eight hours a day. It's really boring. | and then just going straight to the hotel afterwards to sleep and then start it all over again. and not eating regularly and driving on a bus for eight hours a day. it's really boring. | |
24 | I mean, every time we've ever destroyed something, we've always been in a really happy, joking mood where we're drunk off our asses and then throwing things around and wrestling and having fun, you know?. | i mean, every time we've ever destroyed something, we've always been in a really happy, joking mood where we're drunk off our asses and then throwing things around and wrestling and having fun, you know?. | |
25 | We appreciate beauty just as much as we appreciate. | we appreciate beauty just as much as we appreciate. | |
26 | this musical is pop music as far as i'm concerned as long as it's good and it's catchy it's pop. | this musical is pop music as far as i'm concerned as long as it's good and it's catchy it's pop. | |
27 | What kind of ugly answer can I give? I think the point that we're trying to put off in the beginning of when we were doing all those interviews when Nevermind was getting really popular was that we were really concerned with the people who wanted to come to see our shows and have a good time. We were. | what kind of ugly answer can i give? i think the point that we're trying to put off in the beginning of when we were doing all those interviews when nevermind was getting really popular was that we were really concerned with the people who wanted to come to see our shows and have a good time. we were. | |
28 | You know, there's nothing worse than seeing some kid getting beat up on just because he got pushed over the side, you know. | you know, there's nothing worse than seeing some kid getting beat up on just because he got pushed over the side, you know. | |
29 | It's too far beyond that now. I mean, it's been going on for so long, there's nothing we can do about it. That issue doesn't even come up. Well, when I said that. | it's too far beyond that now. i mean, it's been going on for so long, there's nothing we can do about it. that issue doesn't even come up. well, when i said that. | |
30 | Like I said, the main reason was to make sure that we could have a good time at live shows, you know? And we just weren't comfortable with it at the time, you know? And now that. | like i said, the main reason was to make sure that we could have a good time at live shows, you know? and we just weren't comfortable with it at the time, you know? and now that. | |
31 | Now that it's been proven to us that there aren't any problems, it shows. | now that it's been proven to us that there aren't any problems, it shows. | |
32 | Who said it was going to be heavier? Fuck, man. What would they know? I think we're going in more of an experimental new wave. | who said it was going to be heavier? fuck, man. what would they know? i think we're going in more of an experimental new wave. | |
33 | type of direction. It's kind of hard to explain. Actually, have you heard the incesticide?. | type of direction. it's kind of hard to explain. actually, have you heard the incesticide?. | |
34 | man, what a bunch of gluttonous bastards, you know?. | man, what a bunch of gluttonous bastards, you know?. | |
35 | a hundred times more. They always sing during Lithium, which is kind of neat. | a hundred times more. they always sing during lithium, which is kind of neat. | |
36 | sleep on the bus as much as possible because buses are kind of expensive so we're not staying in hotels as much as we would. | sleep on the bus as much as possible because buses are kind of expensive so we're not staying in hotels as much as we would. | |
37 | I remember a few years ago, you know, when we were lugging around our own equipment in a van, you know, like five people cooped up in a van with our own equipment. | i remember a few years ago, you know, when we were lugging around our own equipment in a van, you know, like five people cooped up in a van with our own equipment. | |
38 | What a waste. Those things must cost me-. | what a waste. those things must cost me-. | |
39 | That's the kind of band we used to be. We used to be more like Gang of Four, New Wave influence, like more experimental with more noise and different effects boxes and stuff. | that's the kind of band we used to be. we used to be more like gang of four, new wave influence, like more experimental with more noise and different effects boxes and stuff. | |
40 | you know, sound and see if we can get away with it. Because we love that kind of music. We like a lot of commercial music. It's good. It's old, old commercial stuff we like. | you know, sound and see if we can get away with it. because we love that kind of music. we like a lot of commercial music. it's good. it's old, old commercial stuff we like. | |
41 | It was just something to do. We're pretty much. | it was just something to do. we're pretty much. | |
42 | to write songs that had melody in them, total noise, aggression all the time. I just got really sick of that. Is there an ashtray around here somewhere?. | to write songs that had melody in them, total noise, aggression all the time. i just got really sick of that. is there an ashtray around here somewhere?. | |
43 | You know, yeah, it revolves in a circle all the time. You know, everything will always revert back to melody. I mean, because that's the most palatable thing to an ear. | you know, yeah, it revolves in a circle all the time. you know, everything will always revert back to melody. i mean, because that's the most palatable thing to an ear. | |
44 | I mean, already, I mean, obviously, the most popular alternative bands. | i mean, already, i mean, obviously, the most popular alternative bands. | |
45 | on a national commercial scale are more, you know,. | on a national commercial scale are more, you know,. | |
46 | I don't really like to think of us as just strictly one of those kind of bands who used to be punk rock and then went to a commercial. | i don't really like to think of us as just strictly one of those kind of bands who used to be punk rock and then went to a commercial. | |
47 | uh. option just for for you know. | uh. option just for for you know. | |
48 | I just wanted to try to do, because it used to be so much fun. | i just wanted to try to do, because it used to be so much fun. | |
49 | roll around all the way to the back and it's really fun it's like a celebration like everyone's. | roll around all the way to the back and it's really fun it's like a celebration like everyone's. | |
50 | These kids just, some of them understand that. They're not used to that. So all they know how to do is to tear people apart. | these kids just, some of them understand that. they're not used to that. so all they know how to do is to tear people apart. | |
51 | clubs. Reminiscing about the old days. You know, I used to be able to jump out in the audience, and then the audience would, like, carry me all the way to the back, and, like, like. | clubs. reminiscing about the old days. you know, i used to be able to jump out in the audience, and then the audience would, like, carry me all the way to the back, and, like, like. | |
52 | from the people that work with us to try to save me when I do stupid things like that. They're never prepared for it. It wasn't like before the show I said, I'm gonna do that, you know?. | from the people that work with us to try to save me when i do stupid things like that. they're never prepared for it. it wasn't like before the show i said, i'm gonna do that, you know?. | |
53 | I was really, for a long time, obviously, I was contemplating. | i was really, for a long time, obviously, i was contemplating. | |
54 | financial reasons and be played on the radio it was something that we sincerely wanted to do we really liked the stuff that we were trying to do at the time small way yeah it was more of a test more of a test for us actually to see if we had enough guts to um get away with. | financial reasons and be played on the radio it was something that we sincerely wanted to do we really liked the stuff that we were trying to do at the time small way yeah it was more of a test more of a test for us actually to see if we had enough guts to um get away with. | |
55 | Well, I think the only thing that I was inspired by was Chipmunk's Sing the Beatles album. | well, i think the only thing that i was inspired by was chipmunk's sing the beatles album. | |
56 | It's better than the Beatles. Better than the real McCoy. Sounds nice. Well, that's too bad. That's their problem. | it's better than the beatles. better than the real mccoy. sounds nice. well, that's too bad. that's their problem. | |
57 | It says arena on a lot of the shows on the itinerary, but they're like five,zero, six,zero seat places. We wanted to for sure. I mean, we were determined about a year and a half ago after getting off of the grueling tour that we had that we wanted to play. | it says arena on a lot of the shows on the itinerary, but they're like five,zero, six,zero seat places. we wanted to for sure. i mean, we were determined about a year and a half ago after getting off of the grueling tour that we had that we wanted to play. | |
58 | Well, first of all, we were going to put out a record that would completely, you know. | well, first of all, we were going to put out a record that would completely, you know. | |
59 | You have to try to play as big a place as you can if you're using this kind of production. I mean, we actually have a few, you know, we have a couple mannequins on stage, which is nothing compared to a big inflatable monster, you know, or an Eddie from Iron Maiden. Well, it is an ugly question, but. | you have to try to play as big a place as you can if you're using this kind of production. i mean, we actually have a few, you know, we have a couple mannequins on stage, which is nothing compared to a big inflatable monster, you know, or an eddie from iron maiden. well, it is an ugly question, but. | |
60 | I want to ask me about it. Just some images I've had in my mind for years. It's kind of a way of expressing our views on prejudice. | i want to ask me about it. just some images i've had in my mind for years. it's kind of a way of expressing our views on prejudice. | |
61 | benefit to raise consciousness of the atrocities in Bosnia-Herzegovina. | benefit to raise consciousness of the atrocities in bosnia-herzegovina. | |
62 | some awful things going on down there. And so we decided to play Benefit. | some awful things going on down there. and so we decided to play benefit. | |
63 | and I realized that it's not only just the front part. | and i realized that it's not only just the front part. | |
64 | and we thought it would be really funny to test that out on. | and we thought it would be really funny to test that out on. | |
65 | a really challenging idea at the time because. | a really challenging idea at the time because. | |
66 | I can sense it, and at certain times when. | i can sense it, and at certain times when. | |
67 | the lights turn on and I can see everybody jump up and down. | the lights turn on and i can see everybody jump up and down. | |
68 | the house lights come on during certain parts of the song, I can see everyone. | the house lights come on during certain parts of the song, i can see everyone. | |
69 | I think lithium is a good example because when we get into the distortion part,. | i think lithium is a good example because when we get into the distortion part,. | |
70 | on those kind of people they would be able to swallow. | on those kind of people they would be able to swallow. | |
71 | It was just a natural thing for us to do. And having a new child and all the press coming down on us and stuff like that, I decided to. | it was just a natural thing for us to do. and having a new child and all the press coming down on us and stuff like that, i decided to. | |
72 | Just use experiences from books and other stories instead of even dealing with. I mean, there's a little bit of my life, personal things in it, but for the most part it's just. | just use experiences from books and other stories instead of even dealing with. i mean, there's a little bit of my life, personal things in it, but for the most part it's just. | |
73 | It's very un-personal, impersonal. | it's very un-personal, impersonal. | |
74 | I think that'll be a surprise to a lot of people. | i think that'll be a surprise to a lot of people. | |
75 | the album may not sell as much and so they were concerned with that you know but um. | the album may not sell as much and so they were concerned with that you know but um. | |
76 | They never, ever once put any pressure on us. They just basically told us their feelings and their thoughts of what they thought of the record. Most people don't like the record. A lot of my friends don't. | they never, ever once put any pressure on us. they just basically told us their feelings and their thoughts of what they thought of the record. most people don't like the record. a lot of my friends don't. | |
77 | All three of us are totally excited about it. We've achieved exactly what we've been wanting to achieve for the last two records. This is the sound that we've had in our heads. | all three of us are totally excited about it. we've achieved exactly what we've been wanting to achieve for the last two records. this is the sound that we've had in our heads. | |
78 | one of those things that you do, you know, to relieve the pain, but. | one of those things that you do, you know, to relieve the pain, but. | |
79 | You know, as I expected before I started doing heroin, I realized that. | you know, as i expected before i started doing heroin, i realized that. | |
80 | I knew it at the beginning that it would become just as boring as marijuana does. Like all drugs, after a few months, it's just as boring as breathing air. | i knew it at the beginning that it would become just as boring as marijuana does. like all drugs, after a few months, it's just as boring as breathing air. | |
81 | So I just don't want to try it. I've always lied about it because I didn't want to influence anybody. I didn't want anyone to even consider the thought of doing drugs because it's really stupid. | so i just don't want to try it. i've always lied about it because i didn't want to influence anybody. i didn't want anyone to even consider the thought of doing drugs because it's really stupid. | |
82 | for the recording of the album, and at that time we only had maybe six songs. | for the recording of the album, and at that time we only had maybe six songs. | |
83 | prior to recording, you know. I mean, at the time we had. | prior to recording, you know. i mean, at the time we had. | |
84 | Prior to that we wrote a whole bunch of songs, you know. | prior to that we wrote a whole bunch of songs, you know. | |
85 | during the last, during the week. | during the last, during the week. | |
86 | Yeah, we did write new songs for Bleach. There were a lot of songs that were just written within the two weeks or even the last week. | yeah, we did write new songs for bleach. there were a lot of songs that were just written within the two weeks or even the last week. | |
87 | There's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and shaking and clamoring and, you know, and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god or something. It's embarrassing. | there's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and shaking and clamoring and, you know, and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god or something. it's embarrassing. | |
88 | I was a big heavy metal fan for years in junior high school, and I have nothing against heavy metal fans at all, you know, except for, you know, some of the. | i was a big heavy metal fan for years in junior high school, and i have nothing against heavy metal fans at all, you know, except for, you know, some of the. | |
89 | You know, for the most part, most heavy metal has always been pretty sexist. So, you know, there are a lot of areas in it that I don't agree with. | you know, for the most part, most heavy metal has always been pretty sexist. so, you know, there are a lot of areas in it that i don't agree with. | |
90 | That's no reason to exclude a person. | that's no reason to exclude a person. | |
91 | totally a relief. It just really helps. It's great. And we got this guy, Pat Smear, who's in the germs. The pleasure I get out of it is knowing that that many people like the music, you know. | totally a relief. it just really helps. it's great. and we got this guy, pat smear, who's in the germs. the pleasure i get out of it is knowing that that many people like the music, you know. | |
92 | But I was validated beyond any expectations when we were playing in clubs, you know, just to have that many people, just to have fifty or one hundred people say that. | but i was validated beyond any expectations when we were playing in clubs, you know, just to have that many people, just to have fifty or one hundred people say that. | |
93 | There's a level of connection that's a little bit higher than with anyone else that I've ever played with. It's amazing. | there's a level of connection that's a little bit higher than with anyone else that i've ever played with. it's amazing. | |
94 | I can appreciate them, you know? I mean, I've realized that, you know, the same people that like our band like their band, so why create some kind of. | i can appreciate them, you know? i mean, i've realized that, you know, the same people that like our band like their band, so why create some kind of. | |
95 | I don't know if I can see anything for the next five years. | i don't know if i can see anything for the next five years. | |
96 | We still gam together every once in a while. | we still gam together every once in a while. | |
97 | I really wish we could just join bands. We wanted to have a title that related to. | i really wish we could just join bands. we wanted to have a title that related to. | |
98 | more biographical of the way I felt a few years ago. I tell you the truth, it's not really as personal as a lot of people would like it to be. I actually had some themes on this album that don't have anything to do with my life at all. | more biographical of the way i felt a few years ago. i tell you the truth, it's not really as personal as a lot of people would like it to be. i actually had some themes on this album that don't have anything to do with my life at all. | |
99 | In a way, yeah, for a few songs. | in a way, yeah, for a few songs. | |
100 | at times who are blissfully happy. And a lot of those people aren't bothered with the complications of knowledge and everything else that life has to offer. I know a lot of people who are. | at times who are blissfully happy. and a lot of those people aren't bothered with the complications of knowledge and everything else that life has to offer. i know a lot of people who are. |
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