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This is probably the best part of your post. Everything else is shrill speculation.

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I just about closed this once before. I'm now doing so for real, after tonight's posting.

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Okay, lets get the record straight on the Livermore gas gun. The project manager is Dr. John Hunter, and he works for the Laser group at Livermore. What, you may ask, does gas guns have to do with lasers? Nothing, really, but the gun is physically located across the road from the Free Electron Laser building, and the FEL building has a heavily shielded control room (thick walls) from which the gun firings are controlled. So I suspect that the office he works for is an administrative convenience. I visited Hunter at the beginning of Feb. and we toured the gun. At the time I was working on gas gun R&D at Boeing, where I work, but I am now doing other things (helping to save the space station), The gun uses a methane-air mixture, which is burned in a chamber about 200 ft long by 16 inch ID (i.e. it looks like a pipe). The chamber holds a 1 ton piston which is propelled at several hundred m/s down the chamber. On the other side of the piston is hudrogen gas, initially at room temperature andsome tens of atmospheres. The piston compresses and heats the hydrogen ahead of it until a stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures, at around 50,000 psi. The barrel of the gun is about 100 feet long and has a 4 inch bore. It is mounted at right angles to the chamber (i.e. they intersect). This was done so that in the future, the barrel could be raised and the gun fired into the air without having to move the larger and heavier chamber. The projectile being used in testing is a 5 kg cylinder of Lexan plastic, 4 in in diameter and about 50 cm long. All of the acceleration comes from the expansion of the hydrogen gas from 50,000 psi downwards until the projectile leaves the barrel. The barrel is evacuated, and the end is sealed with a sheet of plastic film (a little thicker than Saran wrap). The plastic is blown off by the small amount of residual air trapped in the barrel ahead of the projectile. The gun is fired into a bunker filled with sandbags and plastic water jugs. In the early testing fragments of the plastic projectile were found. At the higher speeds in later testing, the projectile vaporizes. The testing is into a bunker because the Livermore test range is about 3 miles across, and the projectile would go 100-200 km if fired for maximum range. The intent is to move the whole gun to Vandenberg AFB after the testing is complete, where they can fire into the Pacific Ocean, and use the tracking radar at VAFB to follow the projectiles. The design goal of the gun is to throw a 5 kg projectile at 4 km/s (half of orbital speed). So far they have reached 2 km/s, and the gun is currently down for repairs, as on the last test they blew a seal and damaged some of the hardware (I think it had to do with the methane-air more detonating than burning, but I haven't had a chance to talk to Hunter directly on this). There are people waiting to test scramjet components in this gun by firing then out of the gun into the air (at Mach 12= 4 km/s), since the most you can get in wind tunnels is Mach 8. This gun cost about 4 million to develop, and is basically a proof-of-concept for a bigger gun capable of firing useful- sized payloads into space. This would require on the order of 100 kg projectiles, which deliver on the order of 20 kg useful payload to orbit. Dani Eder

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At the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson offers the following "paraphrase" of John 3:16: "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life." The "to die in our place" bothers me, since it inserts into the verse a doctrine not found in the original. Moreover, I suspect that the poster intends to affirm, not merely substitution, but forensic (or penal) substitution. I maintain that the Scriptures in speaking of the Atonement teach a doctrine of Substitution, but not one of Forensic Substitution. Those interested in pursuing the matter are invited to send for my essays on Genesis, either 4 thru 7 (on this question) or 1 through 7 (with lead-in). The n'th essay can be obtained by sending to [email protected] or to [email protected] the message GET GEN0n RUFF Yours, James Kiefer

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Detectors are legal in Alberta, the old law was overturned a long time ago. --

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[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ] [ Author was Gordon Lang ] [ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ] [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ] [ Author was Gordon Lang ] [ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ] I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. Please email and or post any leads....

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I just had an idea. I'm not sure if its been done and I'm just remembering it unconsiously, but I thought that in dialog boxes and whatever in windowing systems, there should be a way to intuitivly set some things checked or unchecked or filled in a certain way. My idea: tape. You know, like putting a piece of tape over a light switch? Just an idea, if you like it, use it.

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Hi! I recently switched my 3.5" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:. I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot Order A:,C:. Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work. When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens: 1) Power-on and Memory Test; 2) A: light comes on 3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep; 4) HD light comes on for an instant; 5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance.

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What's your favorite body part? :-)

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For that matter, it shouldn't be that difficult to design a black box that gives off EMR similar to a monitor with gibberish on the screen....

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You know... after I finished laughing I thought: This would be a great final. Two Canadian teams with lots of tradition and all that Don Cherry nonsense behind them and a nail-biter finish. Of course, I would prefer a Vancouver--Montreal final with Vancouver scoring the final goal.... Pity neither will happen.

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Could be the (folk?) song "Clementine". If memory serves, part of it goes: In a cavern, by a canyon, Excavating for a mine, Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, and his daughter, Clementine. Anyone who watched Huckleberry Hound can sing you the chorus :-) Is there a story/real person behind the song?

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From: [email protected] (Speedy Mercer) I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a Yamaha 750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left... (Rest deleted) Anyone else had this sort of experience? ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or to check them after collisions. Luckily, few are as heavy as the one that got you. Al Moore DoD 734 Don't forget the immortal

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I have the following items for sale. Rabbit PIP tuner SoloFlex-like gym Scanner (800 Mhz) CB Antenna Blazer/Jimmy running boards ---- Rabbit PIP (picture-in-picture) Box. This device when used with a VCR tuner will allow you to have a second channel popped up on any corner of the screen. The you can press SWAP on the remote and the small picture will be swapped with the main picture. The only limitation to this box is that it is has 36 channel tuner. This means that the box itself cannot tune higher than cable channel 36. However, if your VCR tuner is capable of tuning higher than this, then you simply tune the VCR to the channel desired and then swap pictures (assuming the alternate picture is channel 36 or lower) and it will work fine. Original cost: $149 Will sell for: $75 ---- Running boards for Jimmy or Blazer Brand new black running boards for the S10/15 models. I purchased them and realized that I could not use (after return period expired) them because of wheel trim that I have installed on my vehicle. Original cost: $125 Will sell for: $ 65 ---- Regency MX4200 20-Channel Scanner Recieves cellular frequencies (800-950 mhz) along with 7 other bands. Brand new Ni-Cad battery pack. Original Cost: $249 Will sell for: $135 ---- GYN/Plex model 2000 workout Gym, similar to Solo-Flex This gym is similar to Solo-Flex in that it uses resistance bands to increase the effective lifting weight. It is all black and made of steel. I have an extra set of bands that I purchased that will be included. Original cost: $349 Will sell for: $125 ---- Big Stick CB Antenna for 27 Mhz band. Will sell for: $30 Because of weight or or other difficulty, last 2 items for Atlanta area only please. I will share non-COD shipping charges. Thanks Manny

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I just got out of the Army. Go signal corps or Intelligence; photointelligence interpretation. If you go ADA you might get to play with rockets but space will look pretty far away dug in the mud next to a grunt protecting the foward troops from low flying objects. Good Luck

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I suspect that the decisive element in the political battle will be the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) factor. If the people who would be end users of the Cripple Chip hear of the whole debate only vaguely -- the government says it's solid; other people in the field say it's Swiss cheese -- the balance of doubt could shift against the Feds. Any attempt to limit other forms of encryption could then be presented as the government covering its own butt by protecting its poor product from superior competition. Comments?

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Summary of thread: A person has Crohns, raw vegetables cause problems (unspecified) Steve Holland replies: patient may have mild obstruction. Avoid things that would plug her up. Crohn's has no dietary restriction in general. The feeling obout this has changed in the GI community. The current feeling is that inflammation is not induced by food. There is even evidence that patients deprived of food have mucosal atrophy due to lack of stimulation of intestinal growth factors. There is now interest in providing small amounts of nasogastric feeding to patients on IV nutrition. But I digress. Symptoms can be drastically enhanced by food, but not inflammation. The low residue diet is appropriate for you if you still have obstructions. Again, it is not felt that food causes inflammation. These foods are avoided because they may get stuck. I'd go ahead and have the fudge, though ;-) . Spencer makes an especially good point in having an observant and informed patient. Would that many patients be able to tell what causes them problems. The digestive processing idea is changing, but if a food causes problems, avoid them. Be sure that the foods are tested a second time to be sure the food is a real cause. Crohn's commonly causes intermittent symptoms and some patients end up with severly restricted diets that take months to renormalize. There was a good article in the CCFA newsletter recently that discussed the issue of dietary restriction of fiber. It would be worth reading to anyone with an interest in Crohn's. And, as I always say when dealing with Crohn's, as does Spencer, Good Luck!

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That's nice. We strive for entertainment value. :-) In the first place, you have to realize the feeling goes both ways. Canadians laugh at the U.S., and Americans simply shrug and woner why the hell we let them be a State in the first place. ;-) Interesting strategy, posting here with complaints about people elsewhere. Courtesy is apparently a dead commodity in the rest of the civilized world. "Gun nut morons," indeed. We've got guns, they've got a monarch and an economy on the verg of collapse. Finger pointing across the Atlanticis a waste or time. Canada has been blaming the U.S. for their problems for years. The simple fact of the matter is this: Ten years ago they crowed about how great their system was because they'd gotten rid of the guns and the U.S. would be so much better if they'd just get into the divine light shining from the North. We pointed out that it was cultural differences, and pointed to their pre-control crime rates. We also pointed out that the history of the entire world contained smuggling, and that whenever something was wanted, it was smuggled in. If the problem were based on U.S. guns, it would have surfaced years before. Now more Canadian criminals want guns. And they are being provided. Canada has its own version of the drug problem. Yet drugs are prohibited in the U.S. Saw a news report out of Britain that armed crime is on the rise, and several police agencies are considering have permanent "firearms officers" to deal with it. According to U.S. News & World Report, British handgun deaths have risen over 250% over the past twelve years. The U.S. number has dropped 5%. Maybe they're smuggling them across the U.S./U.K. border. Yeah, that's the ticket. Have a nice day, Steve. Learn a little common courtesy and politeness.

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... Haven't you read any of Noam Chomsky's works? A widely used information net outside the control of the 'right people' is unthinkable. Hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent to wipe it out, sorry, 'regulate and order it' once the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have. If you can't be bothered reading, get the video "Manufacturing Consent".

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[Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE come from? SCSI is not complex. It is just the way the industry uses and talks about it. There are THREE key differences in SCSI; the controller chip, the port, and the software. THAT IS IT. Let us look as SCSi in from THIS stand point. SCSI-1: asynchronous and synchronous modes {SOFTWARE SCSI DRIVER ONLY} asynchronous is slower then synchronous mode {only 0-3MB/s vs. 0-5MB/s} synchronous speeds can be reached by most SCSi-1 divices with a rewrite of the software driver {As is the case for the Mac Quadra.} SCSI-2 {8-bit}: THIS is the main source for the confusion. This differs from SCSI-1 ONLY in the controler chip in most machines. In the Mac and some PCs this is called 'fast SCSI-1' because it uses SCSI-1 ports and software drivers AND can produce SCSI-2 SPEEDS through SCSI-1 INSPITE of this even in the slower asynchronous mode. Average speed in asynchronous SCSi-1 mode 4-6MB/s with 8MB/s{See in both Quadras and higher end PCs} Synchronous mode just allows a higher burst rate {10/MB/s} SCSI-2 {16-bit}: TWO versions-Wide/Fast. Wide SCSI-2 requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: a SCSI-2 software driver and a wide SCSI port on the machine and the external device. Fast SCSI-2 also requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: SCSI-2 driver software and that the RECIEVING devise support 16-bit fast SCSI-2. Speed of both is the same: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst. SCSI-2 {32-bit}: Also know as Wide AND Fast SCSI. Over 8-bit SCSI-2 this requires: SCSI-2 driver software, wide SCSI-2 port, and that the RECIEVING devices ALSO have a 32-bit mode SCSI-2 chip. As expected this is VERY expencive. Speed: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s bursts

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Rather, people kill people with guns. The sad truth is: sometimes that is good, or at least, better than the alternative. Ok. There are about 1400 fatal firearm accidents per year [1], and the number has been in decline since early this century [2]. Most of these accidents involve rifles or shot guns, not handguns. ... In fact there are both guns and bullets designed specifically for that. The idea that my Ruger Mark II Bull Barrel (a semi-auto 0.22 caliber handgun) was designed to kill or hurt people, even for self defense, would, I'm sure, come as a surprise to its designer. It certainly isn't why I have it. It certainly would hurt someone if you shot them with it, and might even kill them, but it is simply wrong to say it was designed to kill people. In fact, that is what happens most of the time. Most self defensive uses of firearms don't involve firing any shots. Most criminals would prefer not to be shot, and will go to some effort not to be, including doing what you say when you point a gun at them. If you were called on to design a tool, that could be easily carried, to immediately stop someone attacking you, what would it be? A handgun is about the best anyone has come up with and experience shows it does work the best.[3] Certainly, no one argues that handguns (of the type we are discussing) aren't deadly weapons. However, it simply isn't true to say that all of them were designed to kill people. Moreover, what exactly is wrong with having deadly weapons? There are times when it is perfectly legitimate to use deadly force, e.g. in self defense. I consider it not just my right, but my duty to defend myself and my family, and that includes having and knowing how to use the tools to do that. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - T. Jefferson. I think what Jefferson said is still true. Not very often compared to other use.[3] This isn't that common either, at least when compared to other uses. It is very rare that a non-violent person will suddenly "get-pissed" and kill someone, gun or not. In most cases, the people who murder have long histories of violence. If you have good reason to believe that these people wouldn't kill if they didn't have a gun, feel free to present it. Right, but there are times when killing things is called for. I hope I never have to shoot a person, but I've had to kill a number of animals from rodents to cows, and when I do, I don't want them to suffer any more than is necessary. I prefer they die instantly, but failing that, I want them to drop so I can quickly finish them with the next shot, and failing that, I don't want them to go fast or far. I try to choose the best weapon and ammunition I have to try to achieve that goal for the size of animal I'm after, but it doesn't always work as I plan. Without belaboring the point, people who are overly impressed with the killing or shopping power of guns, particularly handguns, haven't used them much for that purpose. [1] Accidental deaths in 1988: 48700 deaths by auto 11300 deaths by fall 5300 deaths by drowning 4800 deaths by fire 4400 deaths by poison 3200 deaths by food 1400 deaths by firearm Source: Statistics Department, National Safety Council. "Accidents Facts 1988 Edition". National Safety Council. 444 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago IL 606111 (800) 621-7619 [2] RKBA.002 - Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms Version 1.1 (last changed on 90/04/23 at 22:28:19) DESCRIPTION =========== The accidental deaths by firearm per capita has been declining steadily for almost sixty years. In 1932, the accidental deaths by firearm per 1,000,000 people was 24.03. In 1987, it was 5.74. The decline has been steady, consistent, and a fairly straight line when plotted. At the rate of the last sixty years, it will reach zero sometime around 2025 AD. CONCLUSION ========== Firearms have been a declining factor in accidental deaths for over sixty years, despite rising per-capita gun ownership. [1] = Year. [2] = Population. [3] = Accidental deaths. [4] = Accidental deaths per 1,000,000. [1] [2] [3] [4] [1] [2] [3] [4] 1932 124,840,000 3,000 24.03 1961 183,691,000 2,204 12.00 1933 125,579,000 3,014 24.00 1962 186,538,000 2,092 11.21 1934 126,374,000 3,033 24.00 1963 189,242,000 2,263 11.96 1935 127,250,000 2,799 22.00 1964 191,889,000 2,275 11.86 1936 128,053,000 2,817 22.00 1965 194,303,000 2,344 12.06 1937 128,825,000 2,576 20.00 1966 196,560,000 2,558 13.01 1938 129,825,000 2,726 21.00 1967 198,712,000 2,896 14.57 1939 130,880,000 2,618 20.00 1968 200,706,000 2,394 11.93 1940 132,122,000 2,375 17.98 1969 202,677,000 2,309 11.39 1941 133,402,000 2,396 17.96 1970 204,879,000 2,406 11.74 1942 134,860,000 2,678 19.86 1971 207,661,000 2,360 11.36 1943 136,739,000 2,282 16.69 1972 209,896,000 2,442 11.63 1944 138,397,000 2,392 17.28 1973 211,909,000 2,618 12.35 1945 139,928,000 2,385 17.04 1974 213,854,000 2,613 12.22 1946 141,389,000 2,801 19.81 1975 215,854,000 2,380 11.03 1947 144,126,000 2,439 16.92 1976 218,035,000 2,059 9.44 1948 146,631,000 2,191 14.94 1977 220,239,000 1,982 9.00 1949 149,188,000 2,330 15.62 1978 222,585,000 1,806 8.11 1950 151,684,000 2,174 14.33 1979 225,055,000 2,004 8.90 1951 154,287,000 2,247 14.56 1980 227,757,000 1,955 8.58 1952 156,954,000 2,210 14.08 1981 230,138,000 1,871 8.13 1953 159,565,000 2,277 14.27 1982 232,520,000 1,756 7.55 1954 162,391,000 2,271 13.98 1983 234,799,000 1,695 7.22 1955 165,275,000 2,120 12.83 1984 237,001,000 1,668 7.04 1956 168,221,000 2,202 13.09 1985 239,279,000 1,649 6.89 1957 171,274,000 2,369 13.83 1986 241,613,000 1,600 6.62 1958 174,141,000 2,172 12.47 1987 243,915,000 1,400 5.74 1959 177,073,000 2,258 12.75 1960 180,671,000 2,334 12.92 Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970, Bicentennial Edition, Part 2, Washington, DC, 1975. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1982-83. (103th edition.) Washington, DC, 1982 [sic].. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1989 (109th edition.) Washington, DC, 1989. [3] Kleck, Gary. "Guns and Self-Defense: Crime Control through the Use of Force in the Private Sector." __Social Problems__ 35(1988):4, pp. 7-9.

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GB> From: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) GB> The HMO would stop the over-ordering, but in HMOs, tests are GB> under-ordered. That's a somewhat overbroad statement. I'm sure there are HMOs in which the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctor's income. In most, however, including the one I work for, there is no direct incentive to under-order. Profits of the group are shared among all partners, but the group is so large that an individual's generated costs have a miniscule effect. I don't believe that we under-order. Then again, I'm not really sure what the right amount of ordering is or should be. Relative to the average British neurologist, I suspect that I rather drastically over-order.

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Posting for a friend. Reply to him, not to me. For Sale: Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Release date: 11/11/91 3 1/2" diskettes manual in perfect conditioni best offer accepted (I pay shippinig) Contact Randall at:

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This is being posted as a general outline for your personal study of this doctrine: THE DOCTRINE OF GOD I. THE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD Of all of the doctrines of Scripture, this is the most important. The Bible is pre-eminently a revelation of God. Therefore, our first objective in studying the Bible should be to know God. I believe that the Bible teaches that there are Three Persons in the Godhead (Trinity): God, the Father; God the Son--the Lord Jesus Christ; and God, the Holy Spirit. I believe that they are individual Persons who are one in nature, meaning that They are identical in nature, each possessing the same divine attributes. They are also equally worthy of our worship, our trust, and our obedience. Cf. Matt.28:19, 2 Cor.13:14; John 14:8,9,16,17. II. THE ATTRIBUTES, or CHARACTERISTICS, OF THE GODHEAD. A. God's nature is revealed in the Name He has taken for Himself: Jehovah. He is the living God, eternal, and unchanging. He is without beginning, and without ending. Cf. Isa.42:8. B. God is a spirit. Cf. John 4:24. C. God is love. Cf. 1 John 4:8,16. As such, He is gracious, merciful, good, faithful, patient, and full of lovingkindness. Cf. Psa 89:1,2; Psa 103:8; Nahum 1:7. D. But God is also holy and righteous. He is absolutely without sin in His nature, and so is incapable of sinning in though, word, or action. Cf. Ex. 15:11; Isa. 6:3. E. God is omnipresent (everywhere present at the same time in the completeness of His Person), omniscient (all knowing, knowing all things--the end from the beginning, infinitely wise), omnipotent (almighty, sovereign, with unlimited power over all creation). God is infinite in His presence, wisdom, and power. It is my conviction that the work of the Lord in our day has become very man-centered, and that the people in our churches know very little about God. I believe that the Lord's work needs to be God-centered, and that the people of God need to understand that God is sovereign in all things: in the affairs of nations, in the lives of all people, and in the carrying out of His purposes regarding salvation. III. THE WORKS OF THE GODHEAD. A. In creation All Three Persons of the Godhead were active in creating, and all Three are active in sustaining creation, and in ordering the course of human affairs (for nations as well as individual people) to the end of time. Cf. Gen. 1:1,2; John 1:1-3; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:3. B. In salvation In order to understand salvation I believe that it is absolutely necessary to begin with God, not with man. All three Persons of the Godhead have been, and are, active in salvation. 1. God, the Father Salvation originated with God. The Members of the Godhead determined in eternity past that there would be salvation, the conditions under which people could and would be saved, and even who would be saved. Election to salvation is recognized in Scripture as the work of God, the Father. Cf. Eph 1:3-4; 2 Thess 2:13-14. 2. Christ, the Son of God The Lord Jesus Christ, through His birth by the virgin Mary, came to the earth to accomplish two important works: a. He came as the final and complete revelation of God, the Father. Cf. Col 1:15; heb 1:1-3. b. He came to provide salvation for all whom the Father had chosen. He did this by His death on the Cross, by His bodily resurrection, and by His present intercessory work in heaven. The work of salvation will be completed for us when the Lord returns. Cf. Rom 5:8-10; 1 Cor 15:3- 4; Heb 7:25, 1 John 3:2. 3. The Holy Spirit As the Author of Scripture, the theme of which is Christ and His redemptive work, the Holy Spirit is carrying out the redemptive plan of God in the following ways: a. He convicts of sin. Cf. John 16:7-11 b. He regenerates (known in the Bible as the new birth). Cf. John 3:5-8. c. He indwells each believer to fulfill the work of sanctification. Cf. John 14-16-17. d. He seals every believer in Christ, thus making salvation secure. Cf. Eph 1:13-14. e. He baptizes every believer into the body of Christ. Cf. Cor. 12:13 f. He teaches every believer the truth of Scripture. Cf. John 14:26. g. He bestows spiritual gifts on the people of God for ministry. (Cf. 1 Cor 12 h. He restrains sin. Cf Gal 5:16-26. i. He empowers for living and for service. Cf. Acts 1:8

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Last year produced: 1980. Yes, there are still alot of MGBs out there. The earlier cars (pre 74-1/2) are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having chrome bumpers (ride height, generally more power). The older cars are appreciating... slowly. The newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the moment. $6 to $8k would require extremely good condition and low miles. If the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it, the car should last for a long time. There are still plenty of parts sources ouththere. The MGB is a great, fun little car. If she is keeping it solely in the hopes that it is going to appreciate, tell her to sell it. It is not worth waiting the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level.

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How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is able to accept donations to keep craft operational.

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I think you tried to send me a message re: the animation query I posted to comp.windows.x. I've appended what I received below. If you can remember what you typed, I'd appreciate another attempt! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----- Begin Included Message ----- From aol.com!Postmaster Thu Apr 22 04:47:31 1993 Received: by cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/2) id <[email protected]>; Thu, 22 Apr 93 04:47 BST Received: from sco1.prod.aol.net by hp81.prod.aol.net with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19251; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:49:16 -0400 From: [email protected] X-Mailer: America Online Mailer To: [email protected] Subject: Returned Mail Unknown Member Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:46:36 EDT Message-Id: <[email protected]> Status: R The mail you sent could not be delivered; it was addressed to an unknown user.The text you sent follows... Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Headers ------------------------ Received: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa23625; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:39:41 EDT Received: from EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA16562 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 93 19:44:00 -0400 Received: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:06 -0400 Received: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:05 -0400 Received: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA15705; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:57:34 -0400 Received: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor [email protected] ([email protected]);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions. To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 15:46:20 GMT From: [email protected] (Derek C. Richardson) Message-Id: <[email protected]> Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Animation with XPutImage()?

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Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.

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} A note on the lighter side, I've noticed most gun-banners (some of my } friends included) are the one who make comments that indicate they are } more likely to resort to violent. So are they really banning guns so they } wouldn't end up shooting someone else? Could be. It is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence, they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise.

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- Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? - - Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. - I took him to a local "Urgent and General Care" clinic at 5:50 pm. The [story deleted] - be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still - trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a - letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. - The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you are upset about. It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway.

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I have the following Genesis/Megadrive games for sale or trade for other Genesis/MD (or SNES games). All games will work with both US and UK machines (50 or 60Hz) except where stated and all are boxed with instructions D&D Warriors of the Eternal Sun Outlander Death Duel Chakan the Forever man Wonder Boy in Monster Land A.Sennas Super Monaco GP 2 (50Hz only) Ill accept US$ or UK sterling. Make me an offer! Cheers Jonathan

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Does anyone know of a VL-Bus video card based on the ET4000 /W32 card? If so: how much will it cost, where can I get one, does it come with more than 1MB of ram, and what is the windows performance like?

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Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com Doug> I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 Doug> (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not Doug> working properly with shared libraries. Doug> I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. Doug> For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch Doug> of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The Doug> build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is Doug> going on. Doug> ....following up on this, the specific error I get is: Doug> Could not load program ./xset Doug> Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] Doug> Error was: Exec format error .... a search on IBMLINK revealed that this is similar to IX33890 (howervre this was closed USE).

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Is this the joke of the month? 1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. 2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during WWII. 3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last four years. The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds. Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative Events, be they cultural, political or religious. Serdar Argic

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Find an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had many more people than just Germans enamoured with him. P.

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The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for quite awhile now. Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. I've seen them listed for around $525-550 at local computer stores and the campus Mac reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, but I can't confirm it.

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I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite sufficient.

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No, Mathew is proposing a public defence mechanism, not treating the electronic device as an impropriety on the wearer. What he is saying is that the next step beyond what you propose is the permanent bugging of potential criminals. This may not, on the surface, sound like a bad thing, but who defines what a potential criminal is? If the government of the day decides that being a member of an opposition party makes you a potential criminal then openly defying the government becomes a lethal practice, this is not conducive to a free society. Mathew is saying that implanting electronic surveillance devices upon people is an impropriety upon that person, regardless of what type of crime or what chance of recidivism there is. Basically you see the criminal justice system as a punishment for the offender and possibly, therefore, a deterrant to future offenders. Mathew sees it, most probably, as a means of rehabilitation for the offender. So he was being cynical at you, okay?

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And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. --

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Would if only it were true ... If only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm "InstallWindowColormaps()" crash bug once and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either "twm" or "tvtwm", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to boot. I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ... Now *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 "xnews" server at will? Just do an 'xbiff -xrm "XBiff*shapeWindow: on"'. Blammo.)

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Well Henry, we are often reminded how CANADA is not a part of the United States (yet). You could have quite a commercial A-SAT, er sky-cleaning service going in a few years. "Toronto SkySweepers: Clear skies in 48 hours, or your money back." Discount rates available for astro-researchers.

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Well, I'm back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 27 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1536 1572.8 1.9 (1) 2. Bob Hill 1481 1538.1 24.0 (3) 3. Gilles Carmel 1492 1529.9 1.0 (2) 4. Seppo Kemppainen 1430 1514.0 47.2 (5) 5. The Awesome Oilers 1412 1504.4 68.6 (4) 6. Hillside Raiders 1456 1495.2 7.0 (7) 7. Mak "The Knife" Paranjape 1424 1491.7 31.0 (6) 8. Jan Stein 1412 1483.2 35.3 (8) 9. this years model 1428 1479.3 17.6 (10) 10. Rangers Of Destiny 1401 1475.9 42.0 (9) Tapio Repo 1422 1475.9 19.6 (11) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1398 1453.9 22.0 (12) 13. The Underachievers 1409 1452.9 10.1 (13) 14. On Thin Ice 1380 1440.9 32.3 (14) 15. Go Flames 1367 1438.1 40.3 (17) 16. littlest giants 1370 1437.7 35.6 (16) 17. Mopar Muscle Men 1400 1431.4 3.7 (18) 18. Lindros Losers 1396 1431.2 1.7 (15) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357 1411.0 20.2 (19) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360 1396.3 4.9 (20) 21. Boomer's Boys 1341 1371.6 0.2 (23) 22. General Accounting Office 1316 1369.4 20.9 (21) 23. Delaware Wombats 1341 1367.5 1.3 (24) 24. Migods Menschen 1307 1366.8 31.6 (22) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1280 1362.3 52.6 (25) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1325 1357.2 1.8 (26) 27. Fife Flyers 1283 1348.4 31.4 (27) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1275 1340.2 33.7 (28) 29. Dave Snell 1281 1335.7 25.0 (59) 30. Fluide Glacial 1291 1333.7 18.0 (29) 31. Gaoler 1279 1321.5 11.2 (30) 32. SmegHeads 1289 1315.8 0.3 (31) 33. The Young And The Skateless 1235 1305.6 42.9 (32) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1262 1297.3 11.6 (34) 35. Neural Netters 1251 1294.2 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1206 1288.1 101.7 (36) 37. Artic Storm 1220 1287.7 39.3 (33) 38. Soft Swedes 1205 1281.5 46.9 (37) 39. Jeff Horvath 1239 1268.6 5.6 (38) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1229 1262.5 2.8 (40) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1223 1257.0 8.7 (41) Kuehn Crushers 1185 1257.0 45.1 (45) 43. Le Fleur de Lys 1202 1256.9 25.3 (42) 44. Yan The Man Loke 1225 1255.5 0.7 (39) 45. Legion of Hoth 1208 1251.1 15.8 (48) 46. Simmonac 1169 1249.4 87.6 (44) 47. The Finnish Force 1192 1245.1 22.5 (46) 48. ice legion 1193 1244.8 28.8 (43) 49. Streaks 1161 1242.8 54.8 (47) 50. Brian Bergman 1190 1241.0 23.3 (55) 51. Goaldingers 1190 1239.3 22.0 (49) 52. T C OverAchievers 1209 1237.0 2.9 (52) 53. Grant Marven 1196 1231.2 2.9 (50) 54. Bozrah Bruins 1155 1223.9 45.2 (54) 55. Real Bad Toe Jam 1150 1223.4 48.9 (62) 56. Houdini's Magicians 1181 1222.4 18.3 (61) 57. Skriko Wolves 1186 1221.5 5.4 (53) 58. rec.sport.hockey choices 1196 1221.1 1.3 (63) 59. buffalo soldiers 1142 1220.3 62.1 (65) 60. bemybaby 1140 1219.9 54.2 (51) 61. LIPPE 1179 1215.2 13.9 (56) 62. Randy Coulman 1185 1214.8 5.2 (57) 63. LAMP LIGHTERS 1180 1211.6 5.9 (58) 64. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1174 1206.2 3.1 (60) 65. Indianapolis Bennies 1160 1205.4 20.8 (66) 66. Tom 1160 1202.8 13.1 (68) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1164 1198.8 4.3 (67) 68. Bruins 1174 1198.5 0.1 (72) 69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1172 1198.0 0.8 (69) 70. smithw 1146 1194.5 21.0 (73) 71. Iowa Hockeyes 1149 1193.8 16.3 (64) 72. Doug Bowles 1146 1190.6 20.0 (71) 73. The Great Pumpkin 1108 1187.3 54.4 (74) 74. NON! 1145 1186.4 16.4 (77) 75. shooting seamen 1161 1183.3 0.1 (75) 76. Frank Worthless 1149 1182.7 6.3 (76) 77. AIK Exiles 1116 1179.8 34.5 (70) 78. Invisible Inc 1156 1177.4 1.1 (78) 79. Brad Gibson 1126 1176.9 27.2 (79) 80. Cougarmania 1114 1165.7 24.8 (88) 81. Kortelaisen Kovat 1086 1165.2 164.1 (85) 82. PLP Fools 1135 1163.1 0.1 (81) 83. David Wong 1082 1161.6 66.1 (84) 84. John Zupancic 1102 1160.7 27.1 (82) 85. garryola 1121 1159.4 9.7 (89) 86. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1128 1157.6 5.1 (93) 87. Staffan Axelsson 1120 1157.1 15.1 (83) 88. Chubby Checkers 1110 1156.2 16.3 (80) 89. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1109 1155.0 22.1 (90) 90. Chocolate Rockets 1121 1150.7 2.5 (86) 91. Ken DeCruyenaere 1113 1147.9 5.0 (87) 92. Fisher Dirtbags 1119 1147.4 0.7 (94) 93. KODIAKS 1122 1146.0 1.3 (95) 94. No Namers 1067 1145.8 58.2 (91) 95. The Campi Machine 1061 1145.2 65.3 (92) 96. BSC Oranienburg 1115 1142.4 7.1 (98) 97. The Kamucks 1064 1141.5 76.1 (97) 98. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1108 1138.4 3.8 (96) 99. Ellis Islanders 1096 1128.0 7.6 (100) 100. Mombasa Mosquitos 1090 1122.4 6.1 (101) 101. Zachmans Wingers 1051 1122.1 49.8 (103) 102. Edelweiss 1091 1121.0 2.9 (102) 103. Bjoern Leaguen 1039 1118.5 61.4 (112) 104. Dirty White Socks 1050 1116.5 43.4 (105) 105. Wormtown Woosbags 1039 1116.1 72.6 (104) 106. Neil Younger 1036 1115.0 77.7 (114) 107. Hurricane Andrew 1082 1114.8 7.6 (106) 108. King Suke 1089 1114.5 0.1 (110) 109. Larry 1078 1114.3 11.8 (107) 110. Het Schot Is Hard 1076 1113.6 18.1 (115) 111. VoteNoOct26 1056 1112.6 31.8 (108) 112. Bloodgamers 1046 1111.6 42.1 (99) Bruce's Rented Mules 1077 1111.6 11.9 (108) 114. Teem Kanada 1075 1110.6 16.0 (111) 115. Frank's Follies 1063 1106.5 24.2 (113) 116. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1053 1103.6 28.3 (121) 117. SPUDS 1068 1103.4 12.6 (119) 118. Pond Slime 1081 1102.3 0.7 (117) 119. PSV Dartmouth 1071 1101.4 7.1 (116) 120. Mark Sanders 1065 1099.2 11.1 (120) 121. Blue Talon 1062 1096.5 13.3 (126) 122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1043 1094.7 28.2 (118) 123. Aye Carumba!!! 1063 1089.6 3.9 (124) 124. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021 1088.0 40.3 (125) 125. Timo Ojala 1059 1085.7 0.3 (122) 126. Haral 1057 1085.3 7.3 (128) 127. Cluster Buster 1048 1083.4 7.6 (136) 128. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1054 1082.7 1.2 (135) 129. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1037 1081.1 23.3 (127) 130. The Lost Poots 1048 1080.5 6.7 (132) 131. Nesbitt 1058 1078.6 1.1 (123) 132. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035 1077.8 19.6 (144) 133. garys team 1035 1076.2 17.1 (129) 134. Arctic Circles 1012 1074.1 37.6 (131) 135. Seattle PFTB 1028 1074.0 22.9 (132) 136. Late Night with David Letterman 1049 1073.7 0.0 (130) 137. Le Groupe MI 1020 1073.2 30.2 (141) 138. GO BRUINS 1046 1072.7 6.2 (140) 139. Scott Glenn 1038 1069.7 10.2 (138) 140. Flying Kiwis 1035 1068.7 9.1 (136) 141. team gold 1029 1067.4 16.7 (142) 142. Closet Boy's Boys 995 1064.6 48.0 (143) 143. Wild Hearted Sons 1036 1064.4 4.9 (153) 144. boutch 92-93 1023 1063.2 20.0 (134) 145. Andy Y F WONG 1019 1062.6 21.5 (147) Wembley LostWeekenders 1040 1062.6 0.3 (152) 147. McKees Rocks Rockers 1036 1062.4 5.1 (144) 148. Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 1032 1062.1 10.5 (163) 149. Dree Hobbs 1020 1060.2 13.4 (139) 150. GO HABS GO 1027 1058.1 8.0 (151) 151. Goddess Of Fermentation 1005 1057.8 30.2 (156) 152. Tim Rogers 1024 1056.8 8.1 (146) 153. convex stars 1026 1055.9 5.6 (160) 154. Einstein's Rock Band 1033 1055.7 0.0 (154) 155. Princeton Canucks 979 1055.5 124.2 (150) 156. Tap 1028 1055.2 0.5 (155) 157. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 1030 1053.9 0.6 (163) Buttered Waffles 981 1053.9 46.0 (148) 159. MY TEAM 977 1052.0 174.8 (162) 160. Bob's Blues 980 1050.9 46.8 (149) 161. furleys furies 1021 1046.6 3.6 (159) 162. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 982 1045.9 42.4 (157) Les Nordiques 974 1045.9 60.4 (161) 164. Satan's Choice 1012 1045.3 14.5 (173) 165. Dr Joel Fleishman 1020 1043.9 3.7 (158) 166. Sundogs 1017 1040.9 0.4 (166) 167. Pierre Mailhot 1017 1039.9 2.6 (175) 168. Slap Shot Marco 966 1037.8 51.8 (168) 169. San Jose Mahi Mahi 989 1037.6 31.8 (178) 170. The Leafs Rule!!!! 990 1037.3 25.8 (174) 171. Jeff Nimeroff 963 1036.5 48.8 (167) 172. Stimpy ADG Zeta 996 1035.2 21.0 (178) 173. The Dreamers 958 1034.6 63.7 (170) 174. East City Jokers 956 1033.7 69.1 (171) 175. Daryl Turner 1008 1033.1 2.4 (169) 176. riding the pine 988 1031.8 20.7 (165) 177. Flowers 957 1030.4 113.6 (172) 178. Darse Billings 975 1029.3 34.7 (185) 179. Chappel's Chumps 984 1027.9 24.0 (186) 180. LANA Inc 982 1027.2 27.3 (182) 181. Spinal Tap 963 1026.6 41.4 (177) 182. JimParker 949 1025.9 179.0 (187) 183. Enforcers 980 1023.9 28.1 (189) 184. Jeff Bachovchin 949 1020.7 46.7 (180) Big Bad Bruins 981 1020.7 18.5 (183) 186. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 944 1020.6 107.2 (184) 187. Bulldogs 973 1019.7 23.4 (181) 188. voyageurs 996 1017.2 2.7 (176) 189. Absolut Lehigh 984 1015.4 8.9 (190) 190. Republican Dirty Tricksters 930 1010.4 66.0 (188) 191. Henry's Bar B Q 990 1007.7 0.7 (197) 192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 968 1007.3 17.1 (192) 193. Bunch of Misfits 957 1006.9 23.8 (193) 194. Robyns Team 955 1005.5 30.0 (198) 195. Yellow Plague 969 1003.4 14.2 (191) 196. Ninja Turtles 982 1003.0 1.3 (194) 197. Team Melville 930 999.1 46.9 (199) 198. Acadien 962 998.6 18.3 (201) 199. DARMAN'S Dragons 950 998.4 28.3 (209) 200. Kuta Papercuts 961 998.2 18.5 (207) 201. Great Expectations 972 998.0 2.3 (195) 202. Cobra's Killers 942 996.4 31.7 (205) 203. Cherry Bombers 971 995.6 1.2 (196) 204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 943 989.9 26.9 (204) 205. Killer Apes 947 989.7 24.3 (208) 206. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 929 989.1 37.6 (202) 207. Umpire 4 life 950 987.8 11.1 (200) 208. Roger Smith 927 987.0 39.6 (210) 209. Firebirds 960 983.8 3.9 (203) 210. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 905 982.9 55.9 (211) 211. IKEA Wholesale 958 982.0 1.7 (213) 212. Outlaws 903 975.6 164.9 (206) 213. The 200 Club 944 969.4 6.8 (219) 214. Thundering Herd 887 966.7 163.6 (212) 215. Believe it or dont 926 966.6 21.1 (214) 216. Creeping Death 924 965.7 21.3 (217) 217. Knee Injuries 932 965.6 10.4 (218) 218. Crazy Euros 927 965.3 17.9 (220) 219. Frack Attack 918 965.0 27.3 (221) Todd's Turkeys 942 965.0 1.9 (222) 221. Ryan's Renegades 893 961.7 50.9 (223) 222. fred mckim 889 961.5 93.0 (215) 223. 400 Hurricane 909 960.4 32.1 (216) 224. pig vomit 936 958.3 1.3 (225) 225. Ice Strykers 882 955.4 105.4 (226) 226. Fighting Geordies 882 953.7 141.6 (227) 227. CDN Stuck in Alabama 925 951.6 10.3 (228) 228. dayton bomber 932 951.5 0.0 (236) 229. Cafall and Crew 892 948.2 38.3 (224) 230. Chris of Death 872 945.0 83.6 (232) 231. Swillbellies 902 941.9 18.7 (230) 232. Banko's Beer Rangers 913 940.4 4.2 (233) Zipper Heads 892 940.4 33.9 (237) 234. NY Flames 907 938.8 7.8 (234) 235. Ship's Way 913 938.7 8.7 (229) 236. Laubsters II 861 937.6 201.6 (235) 237. Oz 878 934.1 35.0 (231) 238. Joliet Inmates 872 933.5 45.8 (239) 239. Ninja Bunnies 858 925.9 44.9 (238) 240. Great Scott 853 924.6 73.3 (242) 241. Widefield White Wolves 861 919.7 36.9 (240) 242. The Ice Holes 890 912.7 2.7 (246) 243. SANDY'S SABRES 886 910.8 4.7 (244) 244. Daves Team 858 910.7 32.0 (241) 245. South Carolina Tiger Paws 835 909.0 78.4 (243) 246. Florida Tech Burgh Team 844 908.9 49.3 (245) 247. Leos Blue Chips 874 902.5 10.4 (247) 248. For xtc 874 900.0 8.2 (248) 249. roadrunners 861 899.7 18.5 (249) 250. Mudville Kings 851 897.8 27.6 (250) 251. New Jersey Rob 876 894.2 0.7 (253) 252. Redliners 856 893.3 15.9 (251) 253. Pat Phillips 859 887.6 10.1 (252) 254. Stewart Clamen 851 869.6 1.6 (254) 255. Demon Spawn 820 866.1 25.0 (255) 256. Sunnyvale Storm 804 818.4 0.2 (256) 257. Allez les Blues 738 809.1 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 749 789.4 23.0 (258) 259. Petes Picks 721 788.0 168.5 (259) 260. RINACO 709 781.8 114.0 (260) 261. Brenz Revenge 691 713.3 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 595 663.9 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | [email protected] HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253

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Nope, Mr. Myers has found the bad mistake and posted a correction, thank God. Who's acting?

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If Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e is in Jovian orbit, and if the comet is still hanging around when Galileo arrives, then I'm sure it will be added to the list of targets. We'll have by then over two years of Earth-based observations to help narrow down the positions of the pieces of the comet. It probably won't be too much different than what was done with Gaspra. Galileo did not image Toutatis. That came from Earth-based radar.

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I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. I'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would be is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the playoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish to pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW?

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I am using DOS Quick C 2.5 in a DOS window under Windows 3.1, and the other day while I was running the compiler, I got a general protection fault immediately followed by a "serious disk error". When I rebooted, I found that about 15 files had gotten "cross-linked" which is a pretty serious corruption of the hard drive file system. I am concerned that Quick C in a DOS window has somehow strayed outside its protected mode world and corrupted the smartdrv.exe disk cache and that is what caused the disk problem. I thought that DOS programs run in DOS windows were pretty well-contained by Windows. If that is true, then maybe the Quick C compiler has nothing to do with it. Has anybody else had this type of problem? (I only recently "upgraded" from Quick C 2.0 to 2.5.) Brad Banko

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I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again....

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Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious if you thought about it. It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that. Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry. Joseph Askew

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Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui.

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1. I don't think they are classified. 2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. ...

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I'll take a try at this... From the discussions I have been in, and from how *I* have interpreted the bible, I feel that one can pray either way. BUT remember this, before Jesus, the people talked to God (no other way) and he talked back. (audible and dreams, etc.) Today we have the bible to know Gods will, and we have his son you died for US. He was given as our savior, and while we still do things according to Gods will, we pray THROUGH his son. In the bible it says that if we are not known to Jesus, we are not known to God. (sorry I do not have the verses with me) So, if we are to be granted eternal life, we must present ourselves to Jesus first, who will then present us to God. Leonard --

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Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars.

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Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an interrupt. On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1, a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work.

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I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.

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I have several books which I really wish to sell. Calculus with Analytic Geometry by Howard Anton 3rd edition Chemistry by Zumdahl second edition. Acts of War-- the behavior of men in battle by Richard Holmes Observing the Nixon Years by Jonathan Schell The Things They carried by Tim O'Brien Shrapnel in the Heart-- Letters and remembrances from the Vietname Memorial by Laura Palmer The Good War-- an oral history of world war two by Studs Terkel Make me an offer, you could contact me at [email protected]

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I remember seeing complete instructions for making PhoneNET adapters, MIDI adapters and a MacRecorder lookalike. After a short search through Mac.archive and info-mac I failed to see any of the above. Any pointers?

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Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not?

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# ##So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? # # CC: # #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. # # Hmmm. # # I've told you more than once that I've been monogamous for almost 4 years # now, and that I really don't get into fetishes. Then you are nearly the only homosexual who is. I don't believe you. You've changed your story before. # Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral. # # Care to elaborate? # # For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral? # # kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, The fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making love to. (Actually, in your case, "having sex with.")

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If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are just trying to discredit Israel).

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I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said "nope" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results. Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who aren't happy with the junk they got instead. The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and so would the people reading it. -andy

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This is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the Sabres? I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on that mask, and a total price of almost $1500. Ouch.

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Sorry if this has been beaten to death on this forum. I am looking seriously at buying a 486 DX / 33 from Gateway. I will probably buy it without a monitor, as I've heard negative stuff about Gateway monitors. I've also heard its tough to get through to technical support. I'm seeking opinions on whether or not its wise to go ahead based on criteria such as price, warranty service, general ruggedness of the system, reliability of the machine and of Gateway too, and so on. Please advise!! Thanks in advance! Vasudev Murthy

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Get Xarchie 2.0 instead.

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Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, marginal. Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan?

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I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some more of these critters? I've tried several places, but none of them seem to have keypads which allow you to use your own legend. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

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dale> I found an oddity with our SGI Indigo (MIPS R3000 chip). dale> When xlock +nolock is running, and I am working remotely dale> or in batch (at) mode, the runtime of my programs (as timed dale> by using clock() in the code itself) is ~25% slower than if dale> xlock is NOT running. No other processes seem to affect my dale> runtimes, yet this is very consistent! Unless you run `xlock -mode blank`, xlock consumes CPU time generating the nice animated display. The code you are running is competing with xlock for the CPU. If you run top (via a remote login), you can really see what is going on. =-=-=

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According to a previous poster, one should seek a doctor's assistance for injections. But what about Sumatriptin [sp?]? Doesn't one have to inject oneself immediately upon the onset of a migraine?

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Do you think Omar's grand slam is the result of his new fan club? Last week a banner appeared in the Kingdome: OLDER WOMEN FOR OMAR

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This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available. This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to rec.motorcycles. Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of Halon. VERSION 1.1 This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at [email protected]. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contents: How do I get a DoD number? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 DoD "Road Rider" article by Bruce Tanner DoD #161 What is the DoD? by John Sloan DoD #11 The DoD Logo by Chuck Rogers DoD #3 The DoD (this started it all) by The Denizen of Doom DoD #1 The DoD Anthem by Jonathan Quist DoD #94 Why you have to be killed by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 The rec.moto.photo.archive courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161 Patches? What patches? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 Letter from the AMA museum by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395 The DoD Rules by consensus Other rec.moto resources by various Keepers DoD #misc The rec.moto.reviews.archive courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210 Updated stats & rides info by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How do I get a DoD number? If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is "What is the DoD?", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be "How do I get a DoD number?" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List (KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non- base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.) Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too. By now you're probably asking "So who's the KotL already?". Well, as John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real "secret" left around here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself, nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line- oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with "weenie mailers"). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a Dead-Head. ***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ****************** Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting something done. Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!) days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two. During such times of economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an excersize for the reader). If you suspect mailer problems, at least annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?). *********************************************************************** One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya? The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, & e-mail address. For example: 0111:Ed Green:CA:[email protected] (PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.) Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Denizens of Doom", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161) [Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission] There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal things that a bunch of bikers do. They discuss motorcycles and motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops, helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy, traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship. They argue with each other and plan rides together. The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that, although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each other face to face. The members of this group live all over the known world and communicate with each other electronically via computer. The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers; the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users. Currently, rec.motorcycles (pronounced "wreck-dot-motorcycles," it's the file name for the group's primary on-line "meeting place") carries about 2250 articles per month; it is read by an estimated 29,000 people. Most of the frequent posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred to as the DoD. The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes. Fellow computer enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, "Denizen of Doom." A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of the Flame. Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001. The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one. To date there have been almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Norway and Finland. Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch. The initial run of 300 patches sold out immediately. The profits from this went to the American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation. Another AMHF fund raiser -- selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a few months later. Again, the project was successful and the profits were donated to the foundation. So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500 to the AMA museum. A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go riding together. It turns out that the two largest concentrations of DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's "Silicon Valley." Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California "Joust." The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big barbecue dinner. The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north, meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle. An additional plan for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July. Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to get together. Long may they flame. "Live to Flame -- Flame to Live" [centerbar] This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do anything like that face to face. These insults are known as "flames"; issuing them is called "flaming." Flames often start when a member disagrees with something another member has posted over the network. A typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be something like: "What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad poseur!" This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding ability and your cat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_ by John Sloan DoD #0011 Periodically the question "What is DoD?" is raised. This is one of those questions in the same class as "Why is the sky blue?", "If there is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?" and "Why do women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they dump you?", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition, and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the halls of academe for generations. A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and signed it "The Denizen of Doom". Not wishing to identify himself, he asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking individual, did so. Flaming and other amusements followed. He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership number. Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized electronically. It may well be that readers were yearning to become a part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the sum of its parts. It could also be that we're all computer nerds who wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open minded enough to accept us as members. In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list (often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by #11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and distributed on VHS by #18)! Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races, placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards? Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell. The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which includes name, state, and email address. The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least until next year when we may decided to change the name). Live to Flame - Flame to Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by Chuck Rogers, [email protected], DoD #0003 :-( DoD )-: :-( x __ __ x )-: :-( x / / \ \ x )-: :-( x / / -\-----/- \ \ x )-: :-( L | \/ \ / \/ | F )-: :-( I | / \ / \ | L )-: :-( V \/ __ / __ \/ A )-: :-( E / / \ / \ \ M )-: :-( | | \ / | | E )-: :-( T | | . | _ | . | | )-: :-( O | \___// \\___/ | T )-: :-( \ \_/ / O )-: :-( F \___ ___/ )-: :-( L \ \ / / L )-: :-( A \ vvvvv / I )-: :-( M | ( ) | V )-: :-( E | ^^^^^ | E )-: :-( x \_______/ x )-: :-( x x )-: :-( x rec.motorcycles x )-: :-( USENET )-: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD by the Denizen of Doom DoD #1 Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent (the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against you. Read 'em and weep. We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection: Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!! Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW crowd eh? I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer 11 but what the heck. Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man. Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor! Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a Woosh-a-stream. Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream. Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements??? Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see what they say, eh? Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this. High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest. Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW! Terrible: B.T.??? Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own. Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag. Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway??? Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm. Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either. Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear. Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear! Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW??? Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean even Villy Ogle flamed me for that! Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes. Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush! Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias? Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW? Heritick: Nahhh. Hooter: Hoot, Hoot. Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there? Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!! Muck: What's a carbujector? Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!! Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!! Dill: Well, where do we race? Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't ride! Muck: No! No! Quiet! Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion. They even have luggage made by Sourkraut! High: My 9 too! Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!! Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!! Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin! Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting it up on the ole ventral stand! Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too! Booster: I hate Cavortin. All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW. Booster: I love Cavortin. All: WE KNOW WE KNOW. Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras? Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww. Muck: What about a Tridump? Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum? Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity? Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself? Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make. Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter. Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever. Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that. And Now even more west coasters pour in. Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest! Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector! Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth: Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men. Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally. More riders from the west coast come into the discussion: Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame. Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison. With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn. Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns. Muck: Why?? Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin. Muck: But I only have a 4-banger. Clean: No GOOD! Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers! Clean: Inferior! Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a thrill... Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for? Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME, WILHEM! Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW? And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all boomed out. G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions. All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease. Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding mini-trikes? Are our arguing heros doomed? Tune in next week for the next gut wretching episode of "The Yearning and Riderless" with its ever increasing cast of characters. Where all technical problems will be flamed over until well done. Next week's episode will answer the question of: "To Helmet or Not to Helmet" will be aired, this is heady material and viewer discretion is advised. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video by Jonathan E. Quist DoD #94 [Scene: A sterile engineering office. A lone figure, whom we'll call Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat, with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.] (editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens referring to each other as "Chuck". I guess you had to be there. I wasn't.) Chuck: I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst, cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir, may-I-have-another-sir. My mother made me do it. I wanted to live a man's life, [Music slowly builds in background] riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes and the deepest valleys, living the life of a Motorcyclist; doing donuts and evading the police; terrorizing old ladies and raping small children; eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner). In short, I Want to be A Denizen! [Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with fringe), boots, and cap. Scene simultaneously changes to the top of an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass. A small throng of Hell's Angels sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines, showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil on the tarmac. Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat Boy.] Chuck [Sings to the tune of "The Lumberjack Song"]: I'm a Denizen and I'm okay, I flame all night and I ride all day. [Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]: He's a Denizen and he's okay, He flames all night and he rides all day. I ride my bike; I eat my lunch; I go to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays I ride Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus]: He rides his bike; He eats his lunch; He goes to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays he rides Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus refrain]: 'Cause He's a Denizen... I ride real fast, My name is Chuck, It somehow seems to fit. I over-rate the worst bad f*ck, But like a real good sh*t. Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay! I flame all night and I ride all day. [Chorus refrain]: Oh, He's a Denizen... I wear high heels And bright pink shorts, full leathers and a bra. I wish I rode a Harley, just like my dear mama. [Chorus refrain] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why you have to be killed. Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one. Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: "What does DoD stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?" Naturally, a Denizen who had watched the movie "Top Gun" a few times too many rose to the occasion and replied: "That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you." And the rest is history. A variation on the "security" theme is to supply disinformation about what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where known) include: Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23) Doers of Donuts Dancers of Despair (DoD 9) Debasers of Daughters Dickweeds of Denver Driveway of Death Debauchers of Donuts Dumpers of Dirtbikes Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The rec.moto.photo archive First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made, and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive. Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages, the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting. Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how to use the archive. ********************************************************** Via ftp: cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21] Via e-mail: The address is [email protected]. The commands are given in the body of the message. The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line. The arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications. For rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file. For example, you can send: dir [dod] send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif send [dod]dodframe.ps and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII. Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to the next whole file) are send. A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of 50K each; not a good idea. -- Bruce Tanner (213) 860-2451 x 596 [email protected] Cerritos College Norwalk, CA cerritos!tanner ********************************************************** A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful? Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind of you to access it after normal working hours (California time). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patches? What patches? You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches & pins. And your reaction was probably: "I want!", or "That's sick!", or perhaps "That's sick! I want!" Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't because of any "exclusivity" attempt, but simply because there is no "DoD store" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is someone says "I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost $xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?" Then orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all this is anarchy in action. Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99), motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts (DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by popular demand]. All "profits" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum, you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of "Denizens of Doom, USENET, The World", complete with a DoD pin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions. ~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles ~From: Arnie Skurow <[email protected]> ~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum ~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum, the other day. "Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom: Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the Denizens of Doom! With your recent donation, the total amount donated is now $5,500. On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude to all the membership of the Denizens. The club's new plaque is presently being prepared. Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer. By the way, I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque. Again, thank you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the museum, and the fulfillment of its goals. Sincerely, Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395 Director P.S. Please post on your computer bulletin board." As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally, it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this amount possible. Arnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text of the rules governing the DoD. Rule #1. There are no rules. Rule #0. Go ride. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other rec.motorcycles information resources. There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis, but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see the info on the photo archive above). A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams. Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5. The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser. Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number. The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List. Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST. This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly. Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT. Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at the keepers of the respective texts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Loki Jorgenson [email protected]) has provided an archive site for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his periodic announcement. ********************************************************** The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories) reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences. These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email server or by personal request: Anonymous FTP: ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13) under ~ftp/pub/DoD Email archive server: [email protected] Review submissions/questions: [email protected] NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission and using the Email archive server (ie. an "ftp."). To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line containing only "send help". NOTE: If your return address appears like domain!subdomain!host!username in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar) path [email protected] If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you already own(ed), PLEASE DO! There is a template of the format that the reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site . For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous FTP works, an example script is available on request. ********************************************************** Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking the latest info down here. Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K [news.groups] Approximate DoD Membership: 975 [KotL] DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. Over $5500 [Arnie] Organized (?) Rides: Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass trip due to the collapse of a tunnel. The East Coast Denizens got together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of North Carolina. The Pacific Northwest crew organized the first Great Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have come to know so well. [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.] Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up, riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal 2-strokes. And though it's not an "official" (as if anything could be official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters to gather. There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah. European Denizens have staged some gathers too. (Your ad here, reasonable rates!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 [email protected] BIX: [email protected] FJ1200 Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46

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In reference to the limits of acceleration with guns launching solid rockets as payloads. Thiokol provided me with samples and data on a reinforcement to solid motor grains for high accelerations. Solid motor propellants usually have a substantial percentage of aluminum in the mix. For example, the Space Shuttle SRBs are 16 percent Aluminum. The technique is to use a 'foamed aluminum' structure. The structure looks like the inverse of a set of bubbles (an I suspect some bubbling process is used to form it). In other words, if you made a bunch of bubbles in molten aluminum, then froze it, this is what you get. It forms a strong network of effectively aluminum wires in all directions. The remaining solid fuel mix is infiltrated into the voids, and you get aluminum-reinforced solid propellant. The foamed-aluminum makes up about 6 percent of the total propellant, so there is still aluminum particles in the bulk grain. The major improvement is the higher resistance to grain cracking, which is the principal failure mode for solid propellant. Dani Eder

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True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from Montreal. Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.

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Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there? An Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years, and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance. So I thought I'd ask... I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement), and have had for 30 years. I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety instructor, if that info might help. I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.

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1985.5 Porsche 944 - Turbo trim (spoilers) - graphite black - all around excellent condition - removable factory sunroof - leather interior - new A/C - new timing belt - bra - 90k miles $9900 OBO - Patrick

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Sorry, I misread your remark about young men and women. (Though I am now unsure what that sentence does mean.) You implied that anyone who wants to send troops to Bosnia wants to do so to help the "butchers of their choice". Since the primary targets of help are Muslim victims of "ethnic cleansing", you imply that such Muslim victims are butchers. This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that victims do not exist. Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans? Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not be "ethnic cleansed". The Serbians want to "ethnic cleanse" the Muslims. It is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the things that the two sides want are not equivalent. I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? -- "On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

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: :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day :> in Texas. : :Do YOU eat all your food cold? Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor. Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use. Mike Ruff

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[ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] = = Must there be a "why" to this? I ask because of what you also = assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no "why" = to His existence. So the question is reversed, "Why can't = we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to = "just exist"? Why must there be a "why" to the universe?" One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No reasonable alternative exists. As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a "why". That isn't true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). [ ... ] = = It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also = create man. Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime, = nor do I assert it is probable. But the possibility is there, = given scientists are working hard at "decoding" out "genetic = code" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation. = Again, though, must there be "why" or a "divine prupose" to = man's existence? I believe the "genetic code" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. = = > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are = > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one = > the requires a kind of "faith" too. By taking such a hard line in = > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. = = As far as we can tell, man falls into the "mammal" catagory. Now, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That preposition sort of precludes an absolute, doesn't it? Without an absolute conclusion, what are we left with? I believe the word "faith" works nicely. = if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then = we have yet to find evidence of such. But as it is now, man = is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're = warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in = genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates). = For more on this check out talk.origins. = = > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope = > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by = > reading Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity". From your remarks, = > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian = > religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in = > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and = > be animated by some enduring values. = = Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, = Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic = quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, = thus all must be true... Well then, with an *equal* scale, and under an *equal* standard, investigate them all, and discover where God is ( or *whether* he is, for the denial of God is ultimately a statement of faith, non-falsifiable as His existence may be). For isn't this the purpose of religion - to discover, and in discovery, to *know* God? You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you really have nothing to worry about, eh? Until the King returns, Jason

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Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager place the window where the create window command tells it, regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has reason to know better) I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just want the wm to accept my choice of location. I've tried twm, tvtwm and mwm and they are all uncooperative.

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You have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than in DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using. Try the following: 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters. 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450) can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run \windows\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.

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------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:00:21 PDT From: Richard Buenneke <[email protected]> 4/06/93: GIBBONS OUTLINES SPACE STATION REDESIGN GUIDANCE NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 6, 1993 RELEASE: 93-64 Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give "full consideration" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilitiaes. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, "President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation." NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East-West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev.

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One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns "no-dicker sticker". This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars. Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1.

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[email protected]: Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would pay through the nose for it. Good point you make. However, a zip gun, by definition, is a crude, homemade gun--certainly not something capable of sustained, accurate fire, but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun. Recall the tiny, single-shot pistols made by the Allies during World War II for use by partisans. They were essentially well-made zipguns, incapable of effective fire beyond a few feet. But they were useful as a means of killing German soldiers for their guns. Also note that the crowd-pleasin' favorite, the Sten gun, was specifically designed to require as little machine work as possible. The point's been made here that one could make a Sten clone with steel tubing, hand tools and a welder. I still think that while the point is good, I think there's a difference between marijuana and firearms, in that quality marijuana can be grown locally; there's no need to import the stuff. If guns are banned, I think the demand for "real" guns will be sufficient to make smuggling economically feasible, thus rendering a ban moot. In any case, the result would be the same--people who aren't criminals won't have firearms, and "bad guys" will continue to have access to them, one way or another. And I don't see that as a necessary situation.

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[email protected] (Jon Wtte) writes ... The only problem is going to be finding someone who can make a 200MHz computer system. Could be tough.

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There are several products you might investigate. If you've got $20,000 per seat and high-end hardware, Gain Momentum might be a good choice. It isn't compatible with HyperCard, but has a similar architecture (and *way* more functionality). I don't have contact information, but they were recently purchased by Sybase who shouldn't be too hard to find. If you're running News on SPARC, check out HyperLook ([email protected]). It uses Postscript as a scripting language which is good if you need to do lots of display oriented scripting, but not so good for non-programmers. It was $995, last I heard. You might also look at our product MetaCard. We're alpha-testing direct importing of HyperCard stacks (we've even made the test release available for anonymous FTP), so we're obviously the closest in functionality. MetaCard runs on most UNIX workstations and costs $495. Email to [email protected] for more details. Scott

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From: [email protected] (Amanda Walker) > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. Hey, it's better than the status quo. I am far less worried about "the feds" tapping my phone than high school scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and cordless phone calls. I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me "disappeared" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. As for "its better than the status quo", well, first of all, you can get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and they are all working in overdrive mode. And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. -- Perry Metzger [email protected]

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Yeah, but what's your point? You still need the offense to score more runs than you allow, too. The Braves do have a fine pitching staff. But that's still only half the game.

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Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock solid.

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Thanks. I've ftp'ed the FAQ file and it is just what I was looking for.

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No thanks. This topic is of interest to a much wider audience. "In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."

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I've got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550C from Word for Windows. History: when I had a Deskjet 500, I had to modify the macro so that it would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that interferred with printing envelops. That bug is still present, however... Now: the problem I have is that my DeskJet 550 print driver (came with the printer I bought in December) still wants to print the envelops in PORTRAIT mode. However, the DeskJet 550 feeds envelops the from the narrow end (i.e. landscape mode). How do I get the printer to print the envelops in the correct orientation? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post this to the net since: (a) due to end of the semester cruch, I can't keep up on these groups, and (b) I will summarize the best answer(s) to the net anyhow!

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Help! I'm trying to configure NCSA Telnet v2.3.05 to work with a 3C503 ethernet board. I can use FTP fine, but whenever I attempt to use Telnet, the machine hangs with a blank screen and a blinking green cursor. Any ideas?

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There are two more reasons to save old databooks and then beyond two years--obsoleted parts and better application notes and tutorials. When a part is dropped from future production planning, such as the National MM-series white noise generators, camera sync generators, etc., it will disappear from current databooks although it still may be produced for a short time (or be available from stock somewhere). Now, if you have some old plans calling for such a device, or you have a dead gadget on your workbench and it has such a part in it, you'll know the functions so you can troubleshoot and substitute as necessary. The old GE thyristor data books contain real good tutorials on SCR and triac applications that are not found elsewhere, for example. Here, here!... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: [email protected] Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******

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^^^^^^^^^^^ nit: Is he unable to type the first 'h' in this word? ;-) As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. One should have the breeding not to post commercial material on an account provided by ones employer or school, unless the provider of such account gives permission. (HA!) Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no "administrator" to guide(?) us.

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That figure (1/4") for image rotation would seem to be a little high... on my NEC 5FG the specs call for no greater than 3mm (0.12"). I can't speak for MAG Innovision but as far as NEC is concerned, they are adjusted to "factory-spec" before leaving the central USA distribution point (MA) for the eastern Canadian market. Now, here's the key: NEC *knows* that the >=15" monitors' adjustments are very sensitive to shipping over distances (with all the bumps, rough handling, and such) and therefore *expect* and (at least in theory) *require* that the local *distributor* (not dealer) have it adjusted at the *local* service centre (Bull HN Information Systems in Toronto) before sale. This is the correct and probably only way of having any chance of receiving a "perfect" monitor (the definition of "perfect" seems to depend on how picky one is, in my case quite :). I, for one, was not willing to accept what I considered a substandard monitor and, after two months of wrangling and direct contact with NEC, finally received a satisfactorily adjusted monitor (not perfect, IMHO, but a major improvement over what the dealer and distributor were trying convince me was "normal"). The short answer is no, don't accept these "imperfections" as "normal" because for the premium one pays for the larger screen monitors, one has a right to expect higher quality, and if you're persistent, you'll receive it.

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I've recently picked up some TIL311 display chips, but I can't find any information on them. It seems they are no longer made by TI, and I don't have an old enough data book. :-( It appears to have a dot-matrix led display capable of showing one hex digit. It is in a 14 pin DIP package, but pins 6, 9, and 11 are not present. If you have any information on this part (pinout, power requirments, functions, ...) please send me e-mail. Thank You,

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Well, the message was interesting (and long), but TWICE? Oh Well. Personally, I loathe libertarianism, but my disagreement is philisophical, not tactical. Election law reform is a good idea. You would not believe what kind of stunts the creatures of the 2 party system are capable of pulling. ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane ([email protected])

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I got asked in Sci. Med. Nutrition about vitamin C and oxalate production( toxic, kidney stone formation?). I decided to post my answer here as well because of the recent question about kidney stones. Not long after I got into Sci. Med. I got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation. I'm going to state it again here. But the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take B6 supplements. Read on to find out why(I have my asbestos suit on now guys). Vitamin C will form oxalic acid. But large doses are needed (above 6 grams per day). 1. Review Article "Nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney stones with particular emphasis on Vitamin C" Int. Clin. Nutr. Rev. 5(3):110-129(1985). But glycine also forms oxalic acid(D-amino acid oxidases). For both glycine and vitamin C, one of the best ways to drastically reduce this production is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin C or glycine, but to increase your intake of vitamin B6. 2. "Control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in patients with kidney stones" Int. Urol. Nephrol. 20(4):353-59(1988) 200 to 500 mg of B6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program. 3. The action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria" Clin. Sci. 38 :277-86(1970). Patients receiving at least 150mg B6 each day showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels. For gylcine, this effect is due to increased transaminase activity(B6 is required for transaminase activity) which makes less glycine available for oxidative deamination(D-amino acid oxidases). For vitamin C, the effect is quite different. There are different pathways for vitamin C catabolism. The pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40% of the ingested dose going into oxalic acid. But this is highly variable and the vitamin C review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto 6 grams per day, not too much vitamin C gets catabolized to form oxalic acid. At very high doses of vitamin C(above 10 grams per day), more of the extra vitamin C (more than 40% conversion) can end up as oxalic acid. In a very early study on vitamin C and oxalic production(Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol. Med. 85:190-92(1954), intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day increased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg per day. Until 8 grams per day was reached, the average excreted was increased by only 3 to 12mg per day(2 gram dose, 4 gram dose, 8 gram dose and 9gram dose). 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion before supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average before supplementation. B6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body. There are probably some enzymes that require vitamin B6 that we don't know about yet. Vitamin C catabolism is still not completely understood but the speculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must have an enzyme in it that requires B6. Differences in B6 levels could then explain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin C challenge(this is not the preferred route of catabolism). Increasing your intake of B6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you take vitamin C supplements. Since the typical American diet is deficient in B6, some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium-oxalate kidney stones is B6 deficiency(especially since so little oxalic acid gets absorbed from the gut). Diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day showed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate(Urol Int.35:309 -15,1980). If 400mg was present each day, there was a significant increase in urinary oxalate excretion. Here are the high oxalate foods: 1. Beans, coca, instant coffee, parsley, rhubarb, spinach and tea. Contain at least 25mg/100grams 2. Beet tops, carrots, celery, chocolate, cumber, grapefruit, kale, peanuts, pepper, sweet potatoe. Contain 10 to 25 mg/100grams. If the threshold is 130mg per day, you can see that you really have a lot of latitude in food selection. A recent N.Eng.J. Med. article also points out that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your intake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being absorbed at all. If you also increase your intake of B6, you shouldn't have to worry about kidney stones at all. The RDA for B6 is 2mg per day for males and 1.6mg per day for females(directly related to protein intake). B6 can be toxic(nerve damage) if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more per day for an extended peroid(weeks to months). The USDA food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1.87 mg per day for males and 1.16mg per day for females living in the U.S. Coupled with this low intake was a high protein diet(which greatly increases the B6 requirement), as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that either block B6 absorption, are metabolic antagonists of B6, or promote B6 excretion in the urine. Common ones are: birth control pills, alcohol, isoniazid, penicillamine, and corticosteroids. I tell my students to supplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that increase the B6 requirement. The dose recommended for patients taking birth control pills is 10-15mg per day and this should work for most of the other drugs that increase the B6 requirement(this would be on top of your dietary intake of B6). Any patient that has a history of kidney stone formation should be given B6 supplements. One other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your Ca/Mg dietary ratio is 2/1. Magnesium-oxalate is much more soluble than is calcium-oxalate. 4. "The magnesium:calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of patients with calcium oxalate calculi"Invest. Urol 10:147(1972) 5. "Effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the crystallization of calcium in urine: changes producted by food-magnesium interaction"J. Urol. 143(2):248-51(1990). 6.Review Article, "Magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment of renal calcium stones" J. Presse Med. 161(1):25-27(1987). There are actually about three times as many articles published in the medical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone formation than there are for B6. I thought that I was being pretty safe in stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier post in this news group but good old John A. in Mass. jumped all over me. I guess that he doesn't read the medical literature. Oh well, since kidney stones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them, I thought I'd tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctor's office. Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine 1111 W. 17th Street Tulsa, Ok. 74107

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Feasability study?? What a wimp!! While you are studying, others would be doing. Too damn many engineers doing way too little engineering. "He who sits on his arse sits on his fortune" - Sir Richard Francis Burton

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