ctm/segments/14675b.ctm

14675b 1 0.00 0.88 Motion<space>pictures.
14675b 1 0.88 6.64 Well,<space>I<space>believe<space>in<space>motion<space>pictures,<space>but<space>the<space>motion<space>pictures<space>I<space>believe<space>are<space>the<space>motion<space>pictures<space>in<space>people's<space>minds.
14675b 1 8.24 8.48 And<space>the<space>motion<space>picture<space>as<space>we<space>turn,<space>that<space>is<space>the<space>cinema,<space>is<space>merely<space>a<space>means<space>of<space>putting<space>motion<space>pictures<space>in<space>people's<space>minds.
14675b 1 16.96 10.00 Now<space>there<space>many<space>more<space>economical<space>and<space>faster<space>ways<space>of<space>inducing<space>pictures<space>in<space>people's<space>minds<space>than<space>by<space>means<space>of<space>motion<space>pictures.
14675b 1 26.96 5.68 Motion<space>pictures<space>may<space>be<space>a<space>bit<space>more<space>vivid,<space>and<space>may<space>be<space>more<space>specific.
14675b 1 32.96 4.08 They<space>may<space>be<space>more<space>stimulating<space>from<space>an<space>emotional<space>standpoint.
14675b 1 37.36 23.36 They<space>may<space>be<space>more<space>realistic,<space>but<space>if<space>you're<space>dealing<space>with<space>familiar<space>situations,<space>and<space>you<space>can<space>talk<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>the<space>previous<space>experience<space>of<space>the<space>people<space>to<space>whom<space>you<space>are<space>talking,<space>and<space>can<space>make<space>that<space>sufficiently<space>vivid<space>by<space>still<space>pictures,<space>or<space>even<space>by<space>words<space>without<space>pictures,<space>it's<space>far<space>more<space>economical,<space>of<space>course.
14675b 1 60.80 3.52 So<space>that<space>only<space>about<space>a<space>third<space>of<space>our<space>work<space>is<space>in<space>motion<space>picture<space>field.
14675b 1 65.04 7.76 The<space>rest<space>is<space>verbal<space>in<space>terms<space>of<space>talks,<space>illustrative<space>talks,<space>yes,<space>and<space>dramatic<space>productions<space>of<space>one<space>kind<space>or<space>another.
14675b 1 73.20 2.96 We<space>produce<space>live<space>shows.
14675b 1 76.32 10.32 And<space>in<space>fact,<space>we<space>are,<space>at<space>times,<space>the<space>largest<space>employers<space>of<space>the<space>theatrical...
14675b 1 86.96 1.20 help,<space>should<space>we<space>say?
14675b 1 89.04 6.00 In<space>the<space>country<space>because<space>we,<space>at<space>times,<space>we<space>have<space>as<space>many<space>as<space>14<space>roadshows<space>out<space>at<space>one<space>time.
14675b 1 95.36 3.44 I<space>wonder<space>if<space>I<space>may<space>ask<space>you<space>to<space>do<space>something<space>for<space>me,<space>Mr.<space>Handy.
14675b 1 99.20 4.08 You,<space>on<space>your<space>garment,<space>have<space>no<space>outer<space>pocket.
14675b 1 103.44 6.56 And<space>I'm<space>familiar<space>with<space>why<space>you<space>have<space>your<space>suit<space>tailored<space>without<space>it,<space>but<space>I<space>think<space>it's<space>an<space>interesting<space>story,<space>and<space>I'd<space>like<space>you<space>to<space>share<space>it<space>with<space>our<space>audience.
14675b 1 110.00 3.20 I<space>don't<space>think<space>I'm<space>peculiar<space>in<space>this,<space>but...
14675b 1 113.20 3.44 Well,<space>let's<space>put<space>it...
14675b 1 117.52 4.24 Temptation<space>is<space>hard<space>to<space>resist,<space>at<space>least<space>I<space>find<space>it<space>so.
14675b 1 122.24 4.64 And<space>when<space>I<space>had<space>a<space>pocket<space>there,<space>I<space>was<space>inclined<space>to<space>put<space>things<space>in<space>it.
14675b 1 127.20 4.80 It's<space>the<space>easiest<space>pocket<space>to<space>reach<space>with<space>my<space>right<space>hand,<space>like<space>that.
14675b 1 132.16 2.48 So<space>I<space>had<space>a<space>way<space>of<space>putting<space>things<space>there.
14675b 1 135.04 10.40 And<space>they<space>interfered<space>with<space>what<space>I'm<space>most<space>interested<space>in,<space>which<space>is<space>maintaining<space>attention<space>and<space>keeping<space>interest<space>on<space>the<space>thing<space>that<space>you're<space>talking<space>about.
14675b 1 145.76 6.64 In<space>other<space>words,<space>the<space>concentration<space>on<space>communication,<space>whereas<space>I<space>might<space>be<space>watching<space>your<space>pencils<space>instead<space>of<space>listening<space>carefully<space>and<space>watching<space>you.
14675b 1 152.40 25.84 Right,<space>and<space>I<space>had<space>particular<space>weakness<space>because<space>I<space>used<space>to,<space>on<space>a<space>blackboard<space>or<space>on<space>a<space>chart,<space>as<space>we<space>call<space>it,<space>these<space>turnover<space>charts,<space>I<space>would<space>use<space>green,<space>and<space>red,<space>and<space>black,<space>and<space>sometimes<space>a<space>fourth<space>color,<space>to<space>emphasize<space>or<space>give<space>special<space>significance<space>to<space>particular<space>points<space>that<space>I<space>was<space>making.
14675b 1 178.32 6.16 Sometimes<space>those<space>are<space>symbolic,<space>such<space>as<space>green<space>for<space>something<space>good<space>to<space>do<space>and<space>red<space>for<space>go<space>slow.
14675b 1 184.48 0.64 A<space>danger<space>sign.
14675b 1 185.12 0.96 And<space>that<space>sort<space>of<space>thing.
14675b 1 186.08 14.00 Well,<space>the<space>convenient<space>place<space>to<space>have<space>those<space>pencils,<space>so<space>they<space>didn't<space>slow<space>me<space>down<space>in<space>the<space>flow<space>of<space>my<space>conversation,<space>or<space>my<space>presentation,<space>or<space>communication,<space>was<space>in<space>this<space>pocket.
14675b 1 200.24 3.76 And<space>they<space>would<space>take<space>attention<space>when<space>I<space>didn't<space>want<space>them<space>to<space>take<space>attention.
14675b 1 204.00 6.48 So,<space>to<space>remove<space>temptation,<space>I<space>had<space>all<space>my<space>suits<space>thereafter<space>made<space>without<space>that<space>pocket.
14675b 1 210.88 12.96 I<space>suppose<space>for<space>similar<space>reasons,<space>I<space>have<space>come<space>to<space>learn<space>of<space>certain<space>wardrobe<space>do's<space>and<space>don'ts<space>that<space>your<space>freelance<space>actors,<space>and<space>performers,<space>and<space>so<space>forth,<space>are<space>asked<space>to<space>cooperate<space>with<space>in<space>Handy<space>Productions.
14675b 1 223.92 4.00 Such<space>as,<space>I<space>believe,<space>one<space>time,<space>the<space>button<space>down<space>collar<space>was<space>taboo.
14675b 1 227.92 5.68 I<space>think<space>you<space>discouraged<space>the<space>use<space>of<space>the<space>bow<space>tie<space>when<space>it,<space>perhaps,<space>was<space>not<space>widely<space>worn.
14675b 1 233.60 4.24 And<space>at<space>one<space>time,<space>I<space>think<space>you<space>would<space>have<space>preferred<space>an<space>actor<space>without<space>a<space>mustache<space>rather<space>than<space>with<space>one.
14675b 1 237.84 0.80 Am<space>I<space>right,<space>Jam?
14675b 1 238.72 3.28 Yes,<space>and<space>that<space>is<space>all<space>based<space>on<space>the<space>same<space>idea.
14675b 1 242.32 5.92 It's<space>difficult<space>to<space>keep<space>your<space>own<space>attention<space>on<space>what<space>you're<space>talking<space>about<space>and<space>stick<space>to<space>the<space>subject.
14675b 1 248.32 2.88 Let<space>alone<space>to<space>have<space>your<space>hearers<space>stick<space>to<space>it.
14675b 1 251.28 2.00 And<space>anything<space>that<space>is<space>conspicuous.
14675b 1 253.44 9.04 Now,<space>there<space>may<space>come<space>a<space>time<space>again<space>when<space>smooth<space>faces<space>or<space>upper<space>lips<space>are<space>conspicuous.
14675b 1 262.56 7.20 But<space>that<space>particular<space>time,<space>mustaches<space>were<space>conspicuous,<space>and<space>they<space>were<space>distracting.
14675b 1 270.08 14.24 So<space>far<space>as<space>the<space>wardrobe<space>was<space>concerned,<space>we<space>do<space>recommend<space>to<space>Speakers,<space>Executives,<space>if<space>they<space>have<space>a<space>communication<space>job,<space>we<space>suggest<space>that<space>they<space>have<space>a<space>tie<space>that<space>be<space>not<space>conspicuous.
14675b 1 284.56 5.52 Sometimes<space>it's<space>conspicuous<space>to<space>have<space>a<space>tie<space>the<space>same<space>color<space>as<space>your<space>suit.
14675b 1 290.24 3.60 In<space>fact,<space>I<space>think<space>we're<space>pretty<space>close<space>to<space>that<space>time<space>now.
14675b 1 293.92 0.48 Yes.
14675b 1 294.64 4.72 I<space>had<space>a<space>fancy<space>at<space>the<space>time,<space>personally,<space>for<space>silk<space>ties.
14675b 1 299.52 2.16 I<space>had<space>quite<space>a<space>collection<space>and<space>variety<space>of<space>them.
14675b 1 301.84 12.56 I<space>had<space>the<space>experience<space>of<space>talking<space>to<space>a<space>Sales<space>Executive,<space>and<space>presenting<space>to<space>him<space>what<space>I<space>thought<space>was<space>a<space>very<space>good<space>recommendation,<space>a<space>suggestion<space>for<space>the<space>solution<space>to<space>the<space>problem.
14675b 1 314.64 6.40 And<space>what<space>I<space>got<space>through,<space>he<space>said<space>to<space>me,<space>he<space>said,<space>"Jam..".
14675b 1 321.04 2.16 I<space>was<space>on<space>a<space>first<space>name<space>acquaintance<space>with<space>him.
14675b 1 323.28 10.16 Well<space>I<space>think<space>I<space>may<space>say<space>it<space>was<space>no<space>less<space>than<space>Tom<space>Watson,<space>Sr.,<space>of<space>the<space>IBM.<space>-<space>Oh!
14675b 1 333.92 4.88 He<space>said,<space>"Jam,<space>would<space>you<space>mind<space>starting<space>all<space>over<space>again?
14675b 1 339.44 7.36 I<space>have<space>been<space>so<space>interested<space>in<space>that<space>beautiful<space>tie<space>that<space>you're<space>wearing<space>that<space>I<space>haven't<space>heard<space>a<space>word<space>you<space>said".
14675b 1 347.52 6.32 Well,<space>I<space>decided<space>I<space>would<space>leave<space>my<space>colorful<space>ties<space>at<space>home.
14675b 1 353.84 1.36 That<space>was<space>the<space>end<space>of<space>your<space>silk<space>collection?
14675b 1 355.20 1.92 I<space>had<space>a<space>sofa<space>cushion<space>made<space>out<space>of<space>them.
14675b 1 357.44 10.48 Mr.<space>Handy,<space>I'm<space>very<space>much<space>interested<space>in<space>something,<space>too,<space>that<space>you<space>were<space>obviously<space>a<space>pioneer<space>in,<space>and<space>that<space>was<space>the<space>documentary<space>film.
14675b 1 368.16 11.76 And<space>I<space>know<space>of<space>your<space>attraction<space>to<space>the<space>kind<space>of<space>man<space>that<space>Tom<space>Edison<space>was,<space>and<space>I<space>recall<space>that<space>you<space>had<space>a<space>great<space>deal<space>to<space>do<space>with<space>the<space>presentation<space>of<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>early<space>documentary<space>films<space>on<space>his<space>life.
14675b 1 379.92 0.88 Didn't<space>you,<space>sir?
14675b 1 380.96 0.40 Yes.
14675b 1 381.52 3.20 I<space>learned<space>a<space>great<space>deal<space>from<space>Tom<space>Edison.
14675b 1 385.20 25.76 I<space>wrote<space>a<space>paid<space>story<space>on<space>him:<space>One<space>of<space>a<space>series<space>of<space>interviews<space>that<space>I<space>had<space>with<space>the<space>business<space>leaders<space>and<space>outstanding<space>personalities<space>at<space>that<space>time,<space>particularly<space>inventors,<space>people<space>of<space>new<space>ideas,<space>while<space>really<space>following<space>up<space>some<space>of<space>these<space>suppressed<space>desires<space>that<space>I'd<space>had<space>at<space>my<space>father's<space>family<space>table<space>when<space>I<space>was<space>an<space>infant.
14675b 1 411.12 12.16 I<space>sold<space>the<space>Tribune<space>on<space>letting<space>me<space>do<space>a<space>series<space>of<space>that<space>kind<space>in<space>which<space>I<space>could<space>ask<space>the<space>questions,<space>I<space>didn't<space>tell<space>them<space>that,<space>that<space>I<space>hadn't<space>been<space>allowed<space>to<space>ask<space>when<space>I<space>was<space>six,<space>seven,<space>eight,<space>and<space>nine,<space>and<space>10<space>from<space>that<space>standpoint.
14675b 1 423.36 0.72 Well,<space>sure.
14675b 1 424.08 6.24 So<space>in<space>interviewing<space>Tom<space>Edison,<space>I<space>had<space>learned<space>a<space>good<space>deal,<space>and<space>I<space>wanted<space>a<space>third<space>helping.
14675b 1 431.60 9.92 I<space>went<space>down<space>to<space>find<space>out<space>what<space>he<space>then<space>considered<space>his<space>greatest<space>invention.
14675b 1 441.68 8.16 And<space>after<space>showing<space>off<space>my<space>previous<space>knowledge,<space>I<space>discovered<space>that<space>it<space>wasn't<space>at<space>all<space>what<space>I<space>thought.
14675b 1 449.92 25.68 That<space>instead<space>of<space>it<space>being<space>the<space>motion<space>picture,<space>or<space>the<space>phonograph,<space>or<space>the<space>electric<space>light<space>bulb,<space>that<space>he<space>thought<space>his<space>greatest<space>invention<space>was<space>the<space>central<space>service<space>station<space>from<space>which<space>an<space>entire<space>community<space>or<space>city<space>could<space>draw<space>power:<space>electrical<space>current.
14675b 1 475.76 6.80 Well,<space>I<space>had<space>dug<space>up<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>other<space>things<space>that<space>were<space>surprising,<space>and<space>among<space>them,<space>was<space>his<space>concept<space>of<space>the<space>motion<space>picture.
14675b 1 482.64 11.84 And<space>I<space>discovered<space>that<space>he<space>had<space>originally<space>intended<space>that<space>invention<space>to<space>be<space>as<space>an<space>educational<space>tool.
14675b 1 494.64 5.52 And<space>that<space>he<space>had<space>envisioned<space>a<space>transformation<space>in<space>our<space>schools.
14675b 1 500.48 5.92 And<space>he<space>was<space>living<space>without<space>that<space>realization<space>of<space>his<space>dream!
14675b 1 506.56 11.68 And<space>the<space>suffering<space>is<space>from<space>the<space>disappointment<space>of<space>seeing<space>it<space>being<space>used<space>for<space>entertainment.
14675b 1 518.48 12.80 Which<space>at<space>that<space>time,<space>well,<space>times<space>haven't<space>changed<space>too<space>much,<space>was<space>devoted<space>almost<space>exclusively<space>to<space>love,<space>murder,<space>mystery,<space>crime,<space>and<space>sex<space>that<space>isn't<space>crime,<space>exactly.
14675b 1 532.24 1.92 That<space>sort<space>of<space>thing,<space>and<space>he<space>was<space>disappointed.
14675b 1 534.16 11.28 So<space>I<space>immediately<space>then<space>thought,<space>well,<space>I<space>wonder<space>if<space>I<space>couldn't<space>save<space>this<space>daughter<space>of<space>yours<space>from<space>the<space>life<space>of<space>shame<space>under<space>which<space>the<space>motion<space>picture<space>industry<space>has<space>led<space>her.
14675b 1 545.44 2.08 And<space>the<space>Perils<space>of<space>Pauline.
14675b 1 547.60 1.92 And<space>all<space>that<space>sort<space>of<space>thing.
14675b 1 549.60 2.64 And<space>why<space>not<space>have<space>some<space>factual<space>films?
14675b 1 553.44 5.20 One<space>of<space>the<space>earliest<space>was<space>a<space>documentary,<space>a<space>life<space>of<space>Thomas<space>Edison.
14675b 1 558.64 1.60 And<space>as<space>a<space>matter<space>of<space>fact-<space>-<space>In<space>the<space>silent<space>days.
14675b 1 560.24 2.96 Wasn't<space>Pancho<space>Villa<space>another<space>of<space>your<space>subjects<space>there?
14675b 1 563.52 0.48 Yes.
14675b 1 564.72 28.24 Pursuing<space>factual<space>films,<space>and<space>looking<space>for<space>some<space>excitements<space>in<space>it,<space>and<space>using<space>the<space>Tribune<space>to<space>promote<space>them<space>on<space>a<space>participation<space>or<space>rentals<space>basis,<space>we<space>sent<space>a<space>correspondent<space>down<space>there<space>to<space>talk<space>to<space>Pancho<space>Villa,<space>and<space>to<space>get<space>the<space>inside<space>story<space>from<space>him<space>on<space>why<space>he<space>should<space>behave<space>the<space>way<space>he<space>was<space>behaving,<space>how<space>he<space>got<space>that<space>way,<space>and<space>talked<space>to<space>him<space>sympathetically,<space>and<space>he<space>allowed<space>us<space>to<space>take<space>motion<space>pictures.
14675b 1 593.04 3.20 We<space>brought<space>them<space>in,<space>and<space>we<space>circulated<space>them<space>in<space>the<space>theaters.
14675b 1 596.32 3.76 And<space>that<space>way,<space>broke<space>new<space>ground.
14675b 1 600.16 13.76 We,<space>at<space>that<space>time,<space>however,<space>had<space>already<space>pioneered<space>the<space>Celic<space>Tribune<space>News,<space>News<space>Weekly,<space>which<space>was<space>a<space>presentation<space>of<space>factual<space>material<space>in<space>the<space>theaters.
14675b 1 614.64 13.12 With<space>the<space>pressure<space>of<space>newspaper<space>publicity,<space>we<space>had<space>demonstrated<space>that<space>people<space>were<space>also<space>interested<space>in<space>the<space>facts<space>of<space>life,<space>as<space>well<space>as<space>the<space>facts<space>of<space>life<space>as<space>they<space>quote,<space>unquote<space>-<space>Yes,<space>unquote.
14675b 1 627.76 0.72 Presented<space>them.
14675b 1 628.64 8.32 Mr.<space>Handy,<space>you<space>have,<space>during<space>your<space>very,<space>very<space>interesting<space>and<space>colorful,<space>and<space>productive<space>years<space>in<space>this<space>business,<space>done<space>so<space>many<space>things.
14675b 1 637.52 13.68 I'd<space>like<space>to<space>ask<space>a<space>question<space>that<space>I<space>mean<space>not<space>to<space>be<space>a<space>provocative<space>one,<space>necessarily,<space>but<space>if<space>you<space>and<space>I<space>were<space>to<space>meet<space>on<space>a<space>train<space>or<space>today,<space>possibly<space>in<space>a<space>jet<space>airplane,<space>and<space>we<space>got<space>to<space>chatting,<space>and<space>I<space>said<space>to<space>you,<space>"Mr.<space>Handy,<space>what<space>do<space>you<space>do"?
14675b 1 651.52 2.40 How<space>would<space>you<space>describe<space>your<space>occupation?
14675b 1 654.64 4.96 Well,<space>you<space>might<space>have<space>something<space>entirely<space>new.
14675b 1 659.84 3.20 And<space>I<space>might<space>hear<space>something<space>entirely<space>new.
14675b 1 664.48 2.08 I<space>suppose<space>I'm<space>along<space>that<space>line<space>once.
14675b 1 666.72 16.16 It<space>is<space>a<space>bit<space>difficult<space>business<space>to<space>describe<space>because<space>we<space>set<space>out<space>to<space>accelerate<space>the<space>processes<space>of<space>education,<space>and<space>we<space>interpret<space>that<space>term<space>very<space>broadly,<space>and<space>also<space>to<space>make<space>them<space>more<space>pleasant.
14675b 1 684.00 6.32 I<space>always<space>loved<space>to<space>learn,<space>but<space>I<space>hated<space>to<space>study.
14675b 1 691.20 4.40 And<space>I<space>thought<space>there<space>might<space>be<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>other<space>people<space>who<space>felt<space>the<space>same<space>way.
14675b 1 695.92 4.80 So<space>I<space>could<space>describe<space>our<space>business<space>in<space>terms<space>of...
14675b 1 700.88 4.24 Well,<space>I<space>could<space>just<space>use<space>that<space>phrase:<space>What<space>we<space>do<space>is<space>accelerate<space>education.
14675b 1 705.12 2.48 But,<space>chances<space>are,<space>I'd<space>get<space>some<space>more<space>questions.
14675b 1 707.68 1.60 I've<space>discovered<space>that.
14675b 1 709.52 5.92 Or<space>I<space>might<space>say,<space>our<space>job<space>is<space>to<space>make<space>education<space>painless.
14675b 1 715.76 6.00 That<space>also<space>has<space>the<space>disadvantage<space>of<space>being<space>an<space>interesting<space>statement<space>that<space>leads<space>to<space>another<space>question.
14675b 1 721.84 8.16 It<space>is<space>an<space>interesting<space>statement<space>because<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>years<space>ago,<space>you<space>made<space>one<space>very<space>close<space>to<space>that,<space>I<space>think,<space>when<space>you<space>said<space>that<space>education<space>should<space>be<space>a<space>pleasure<space>and<space>not<space>a<space>pain<space>in<space>the<space>head.
14675b 1 730.32 1.52 Pain<space>in<space>the<space>head.
14675b 1 732.08 6.24 And<space>it<space>can<space>even<space>become<space>a<space>pain<space>at<space>the<space>neck<space>if<space>you<space>let<space>that<space>headache<space>continue<space>long<space>enough.
14675b 1 738.48 2.16 That's<space>as<space>a<space>matter<space>of<space>fact.
14675b 1 741.04 5.76 Well,<space>I<space>once<space>gave<space>myself<space>the<space>challenge<space>of<space>stating<space>that<space>differently<space>every<space>time.
14675b 1 747.04 1.20 This<space>question<space>of<space>mine,<space>you<space>mean?
14675b 1 748.24 2.00 Yes,<space>your<space>question,<space>what's<space>your<space>business?
14675b 1 750.24 1.68 And<space>giving<space>a<space>different<space>answer<space>each<space>time.
14675b 1 751.92 9.04 At<space>the<space>same<space>time,<space>see<space>that<space>that<space>answer<space>was<space>explicit,<space>that<space>it<space>was<space>true,<space>and<space>that<space>it<space>was<space>succinct.
14675b 1 761.28 5.04 And<space>for<space>a<space>whole<space>year,<space>I<space>stuck<space>to<space>that<space>resolution.
14675b 1 766.64 13.04 Every<space>time<space>I<space>had<space>a<space>seatmate<space>on<space>a<space>plane,<space>I<space>travel,<space>fly,<space>about<space>75,000<space>miles<space>a<space>year,<space>have<space>for,<space>well,<space>I<space>suppose<space>30<space>years...
14675b 1 779.76 3.84 I<space>would<space>give<space>a<space>different<space>answer<space>to<space>that<space>question.
14675b 1 783.76 8.00 I<space>even<space>made<space>the<space>game<space>harder<space>for<space>myself<space>by<space>always<space>asking<space>my<space>seatmate<space>what's<space>his<space>business<space>so<space>that<space>he<space>would<space>have<space>to<space>ask<space>me.
14675b 1 792.00 19.52 And<space>you<space>know<space>that<space>for<space>that<space>entire<space>year,<space>and<space>I<space>suppose<space>I<space>must<space>have<space>answered<space>the<space>question<space>at<space>least<space>180<space>times<space>in<space>the<space>360<space>days<space>that<space>I<space>was<space>moving<space>around<space>on<space>trains<space>and<space>planes,<space>I<space>gave<space>a<space>different<space>answer<space>every<space>time,<space>and<space>it<space>was<space>a<space>true<space>answer.
14675b 1 812.64 1.76 Of<space>course,<space>that<space>I'm<space>not<space>surprised<space>by.
14675b 1 814.40 0.72 Each<space>time.
14675b 1 815.20 5.60 Mr.<space>Handy,<space>there<space>are<space>so<space>many<space>interesting<space>facets<space>that<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>be<space>sure<space>we<space>at<space>least<space>touch<space>on<space>this<space>afternoon.
14675b 1 820.96 11.60 And<space>you<space>pointed<space>out<space>earlier<space>that<space>you<space>came<space>from<space>a<space>family<space>of<space>seven,<space>and<space>of<space>course,<space>I<space>know<space>that<space>Mr.<space>Jamison<space>Handy<space>has<space>a<space>family<space>of<space>his<space>own,<space>but<space>I<space>don't<space>know<space>what<space>his<space>number<space>is,<space>and<space>what<space>these<space>people<space>do,<space>and<space>I'd<space>like<space>to<space>hear<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>about<space>them.
14675b 1 832.72 3.84 Well,<space>I<space>have<space>five<space>of<space>them,<space>and<space>none<space>of<space>them<space>are<space>in<space>my<space>business.
14675b 1 838.40 10.40 One<space>of<space>my<space>daughters<space>earns<space>some<space>extra<space>money<space>by<space>teaching,<space>in<space>a<space>class,<space>elementary<space>school.
14675b 1 849.52 4.56 I<space>have<space>another<space>son<space>who<space>is<space>a<space>business<space>executive.
14675b 1 854.16 5.04 He's<space>been<space>a<space>salesman<space>and<space>a<space>sales<space>manager.
14675b 1 859.76 2.48 I<space>have<space>one<space>who<space>has<space>no<space>use<space>for<space>business.
14675b 1 862.48 3.04 He<space>thinks<space>it's<space>a<space>pain<space>in<space>the<space>neck.
14675b 1 867.60 10.80 I<space>have<space>a<space>daughter<space>who<space>has<space>given<space>me<space>grandchildren.
14675b 1 878.48 0.80 Wonderful.
14675b 1 879.36 2.80 And<space>in<space>matter<space>of<space>fact,<space>a<space>great-grandson.
14675b 1 882.88 4.88 You<space>were<space>away<space>from<space>home,<space>as<space>you<space>pointed<space>out,<space>so<space>much<space>that<space>I'm<space>told<space>that<space>Mrs.
14675b 1 887.76 8.32 Handy<space>has<space>made<space>up<space>for<space>some<space>of<space>the<space>lost<space>time<space>when<space>you<space>didn't<space>go<space>back<space>to<space>the<space>University<space>of<space>Michigan,<space>and<space>has<space>a<space>kind<space>of<space>hobby<space>of<space>her<space>own<space>of<space>going<space>to<space>school.
14675b 1 896.40 6.80 Well,<space>she<space>likes<space>continuing<space>education,<space>and<space>I<space>think<space>I<space>finally<space>sold<space>her<space>on<space>education.
14675b 1 903.28 1.84 Maybe,<space>maybe<space>I<space>didn't.
14675b 1 905.20 6.24 You<space>know,<space>women<space>sell<space>themselves<space>sometimes,<space>and<space>let<space>you<space>think<space>you<space>contributed<space>to<space>their<space>education.
14675b 1 912.48 1.92 Sincerely,<space>and<space>maybe<space>I<space>have<space>a<space>little<space>bit.
14675b 1 914.48 1.12 Hope<space>so.
14675b 1 915.76 3.12 But<space>about<space>10<space>years<space>ago,<space>she<space>started<space>going<space>to<space>college.
14675b 1 919.28 3.68 She's<space>slightly<space>my<space>junior,<space>but<space>not<space>very<space>much...
14675b 1 922.96 2.08 And<space>she's<space>been<space>going<space>college<space>ever<space>since.
14675b 1 925.04 6.08 Although<space>she's<space>earned<space>a<space>sabbatical<space>holiday,<space>and<space>she's<space>not<space>going<space>to<space>college<space>this<space>semester.
14675b 1 931.20 3.68 But<space>she's<space>gone<space>to<space>a<space>number<space>of<space>colleges.
14675b 1 935.36 5.92 I<space>am<space>away<space>from<space>home,<space>but<space>she<space>will<space>come<space>and<space>stay<space>with<space>me,<space>as<space>a<space>commitment,<space>she<space>always<space>keeps<space>it.
14675b 1 941.28 4.88 Any<space>time<space>I<space>stay<space>in<space>the<space>same<space>place,<space>we<space>stay<space>in<space>the<space>same<space>place<space>for<space>two<space>weeks.
14675b 1 946.88 1.20 That<space>seldom<space>happens.
14675b 1 948.16 6.24 I'm<space>gonna<space>be<space>in<space>Detroit<space>all<space>this<space>week,<space>but<space>that<space>puts<space>her<space>up<space>pretty<space>well<space>in<space>the<space>clear.
14675b 1 954.40 2.00 On<space>the<space>other<space>hand<space>that<space>interrupts<space>her<space>education.
14675b 1 956.48 10.64 She<space>went<space>to<space>summer<space>school<space>at<space>Columbia<space>one<space>year,<space>and<space>I<space>think<space>it<space>was<space>about<space>an<space>eight-week<space>term,<space>and<space>I<space>complicated<space>things<space>by<space>staying<space>here<space>for<space>a<space>couple<space>of<space>weeks.
14675b 1 967.12 4.64 So,<space>out<space>of<space>the<space>eight<space>weeks,<space>she<space>missed<space>two.
14675b 1 971.84 2.88 But<space>she<space>succeeded<space>in<space>getting<space>an<space>A.<space>I'm<space>quite<space>proud<space>of<space>that.
14675b 1 974.72 0.80 I<space>would<space>be,<space>indeed.
14675b 1 975.60 2.64 On<space>a<space>condensed<space>or<space>fast<space>course.
14675b 1 978.24 9.44 Mr.<space>Handy,<space>a<space>while<space>ago,<space>when<space>you<space>were<space>relating<space>how<space>you<space>did<space>a<space>little<space>fast<space>cross-country<space>work<space>to<space>get<space>your<space>story<space>to<space>the<space>Tribune<space>on<space>the<space>occasion<space>of<space>the<space>demonstration<space>at<space>the<space>University<space>of<space>Michigan.
14675b 1 987.68 1.44 Running<space>downtown<space>to<space>the<space>telegraph<space>office.
14675b 1 989.12 0.40 Yes.
14675b 1 989.52 6.96 I<space>related<space>this<space>hour<space>with<space>another<space>sport<space>in<space>which<space>you<space>have<space>participated<space>with<space>outstanding<space>success,<space>and<space>I'd<space>like<space>to<space>talk<space>about<space>your<space>swimming.
14675b 1 996.80 23.44 I'm<space>especially<space>anxious,<space>too,<space>because<space>if<space>I<space>may,<space>and<space>I'd<space>like<space>to<space>read<space>a<space>little<space>bit<space>that<space>was<space>printed<space>in<space>the<space>Illinois<space>Athletic<space>Club<space>Tri-color<space>on<space>its<space>45th<space>anniversary<space>when<space>Commander<space>Francis<space>McDermott<space>wrote<space>as<space>follows,<space>"In<space>August<space>of<space>1907,<space>our<space>tank<space>opened,<space>and<space>among<space>the<space>swimmers,<space>we<space>had<space>Harry<space>Hepner,<space>Perry<space>McGilvery,<space>and<space>Jamison<space>Handy.
14675b 1 1020.48 3.44 Only<space>one<space>of<space>them<space>had<space>a<space>reputation<space>at<space>that<space>time:<space>Handy.
14675b 1 1024.08 1.92 He<space>was<space>truly<space>a<space>one<space>man<space>team.
14675b 1 1026.08 14.24 He's<space>the<space>only<space>man<space>in<space>the<space>history<space>of<space>swimming<space>and<space>any<space>AAU<space>Association<space>to<space>hold<space>every<space>championship:<space>50<space>yards,<space>100<space>yards,<space>220,<space>440,<space>880,<space>and<space>the<space>mile,<space>150<space>yard<space>backstroke,<space>and<space>200<space>yards<space>breaststroke.
14675b 1 1040.32 5.28 He<space>held<space>the<space>Central<space>Association<space>Championship,<space>both<space>indoor<space>and<space>outdoor,<space>for<space>several<space>years".
14675b 1 1045.60 3.84 And<space>you're<space>still<space>going<space>at<space>it<space>strong<space>in<space>the<space>swimming<space>department,<space>aren't<space>you,<space>Jam?
14675b 1 1049.68 1.92 Well,<space>I<space>still<space>swim<space>daily.
14675b 1 1051.60 1.68 Five<space>or<space>600<space>yards.
14675b 1 1053.52 4.48 I<space>like<space>to<space>pull<space>water<space>around<space>and<space>work<space>my<space>body<space>through<space>it.
14675b 1 1058.08 11.92 Well,<space>you're<space>not<space>likely<space>to<space>volunteer<space>this<space>information,<space>so<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>tell,<space>if<space>I<space>may,<space>this<space>myself:<space>That<space>Mr.<space>Jamison<space>Handy<space>was<space>elected<space>to<space>the<space>Swimming<space>Hall<space>of<space>Fame<space>just<space>last<space>year<space>in<space>1960.
14675b 1 1070.16 3.04 And<space>you<space>were<space>the<space>23rd<space>to<space>achieve<space>that<space>distinction.
14675b 1 1073.20 1.76 Again,<space>I<space>congratulate<space>you.
14675b 1 1075.28 8.40 Well,<space>that<space>was<space>most<space>largely<space>for<space>my<space>contribution<space>in<space>devising<space>new<space>techniques<space>in<space>swimming.
14675b 1 1084.00 13.04 As<space>a<space>matter<space>of<space>fact,<space>it's<space>a<space>mistake<space>to<space>think<space>of<space>me<space>as<space>an<space>athlete<space>because<space>I<space>won<space>my<space>championships<space>and<space>broke<space>my<space>records<space>largely<space>with<space>my<space>head.
14675b 1 1098.08 2.48 The<space>head<space>is<space>quite<space>important<space>in<space>swimming.
14675b 1 1100.72 10.56 And<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>techniques<space>which<space>I<space>have<space>advocated<space>is<space>using<space>the<space>head<space>physically<space>in<space>swimming<space>more<space>as<space>the<space>fish<space>and<space>the<space>porpoises<space>do.
14675b 1 1111.44 2.32 And<space>we're<space>getting<space>pretty<space>good<space>acceptance<space>of<space>that.
14675b 1 1113.76 2.24 Although<space>we<space>still<space>have<space>a<space>way<space>to<space>do.
14675b 1 1116.24 6.72 But<space>my<space>records<space>and<space>the<space>versatility<space>to<space>which<space>you<space>apply<space>there,<space>due<space>to<space>the<space>fact<space>that<space>I<space>got<space>pushed<space>around.
14675b 1 1123.04 18.00 The<space>minute<space>I<space>would<space>develop<space>a<space>new<space>technique<space>and<space>break<space>the<space>records,<space>some<space>of<space>these<space>long-eared<space>fish<space>whose<space>hands<space>were<space>farther<space>from<space>their<space>heads<space>when<space>they're<space>stretched<space>out,<space>that<space>is<space>when<space>visualizing<space>the<space>end,<space>you<space>start<space>with<space>your<space>feet<space>and<space>you<space>touch<space>with<space>your<space>hands...
14675b 1 1141.04 1.84 They<space>took<space>those<space>records<space>away!
14675b 1 1143.04 4.56 So<space>I<space>had<space>to<space>move<space>into<space>another<space>territory<space>and<space>make<space>another<space>change.
14675b 1 1147.76 3.28 So<space>I<space>went<space>from<space>one<space>device<space>to<space>another.
14675b 1 1151.12 2.08 That's<space>how<space>I<space>happened<space>to<space>get<space>into<space>breaststroke.
14675b 1 1153.28 3.52 Was<space>all<space>based<space>on<space>notions<space>we<space>used<space>in<space>the<space>breaststroke.
14675b 1 1157.04 5.92 Then,<space>a<space>side<space>kick<space>like<space>this,<space>where<space>these<space>muscles<space>aren't<space>as<space>strong,<space>they<space>don't<space>get<space>as<space>much<space>practice<space>as<space>you're<space>running.
14675b 1 1163.12 3.12 So<space>I<space>just<space>came<space>to<space>kick<space>pool<space>that<space>way<space>in<space>both<space>directions.
14675b 1 1166.80 5.36 They<space>were<space>using,<space>in<space>the<space>backstroke,<space>they<space>were<space>using<space>both<space>arms<space>together,<space>this<space>way.
14675b 1 1172.56 5.04 I<space>used<space>them<space>one<space>at<space>the<space>time,<space>like<space>that,<space>and<space>that<space>way<space>avoided<space>the<space>loss<space>of<space>momentum,<space>and<space>broke<space>the<space>records.
14675b 1 1177.60 9.04 But<space>in<space>swimming,<space>as<space>these<space>talented<space>long-eared<space>fish,<space>particularly<space>the<space>basketball<space>potential,<space>shall<space>we<space>say?
14675b 1 1186.64 2.32 Started<space>to<space>use<space>those<space>techniques,<space>they<space>broke<space>my<space>records.
14675b 1 1188.96 5.20 Many<space>of<space>them<space>didn't<space>stay<space>on<space>the<space>books<space>more<space>than<space>a<space>year.
14675b 1 1194.24 5.92 Well,<space>I<space>think<space>one<space>remarkable<space>achievement<space>that<space>Robert<space>Ripley<space>had<space>occasionally<space>publicized,<space>as<space>a<space>matter<space>of<space>fact.
14675b 1 1200.16 5.12 Of<space>course,<space>it's<space>well<space>known,<space>I<space>think<space>that<space>you<space>were<space>a<space>member<space>of<space>the<space>US<space>Olympic<space>Swimming<space>Team<space>when<space>you<space>were<space>quite<space>a<space>young<space>man.
14675b 1 1205.84 2.24 When<space>was<space>that,<space>Mr.<space>Handy?
14675b 1 1208.16 0.56 1904.
14675b 1 1208.88 2.32 And<space>you<space>were<space>then<space>in<space>what<space>event?
14675b 1 1211.52 10.56 I<space>was<space>in<space>the<space>quarter-mile<space>breaststroke,<space>and<space>in<space>the<space>half-mile,<space>and<space>in<space>the<space>mile.
14675b 1 1222.16 7.52 Now,<space>it<space>was<space>not<space>on<space>that<space>subject<space>that<space>Mr.<space>Ripley<space>found<space>it<space>so<space>unusual<space>and,<space>therefore,<space>reported<space>it.
14675b 1 1229.76 6.56 What<space>was<space>more<space>amazing<space>is<space>that,<space>20<space>years<space>later,<space>you<space>were<space>again<space>representing<space>the<space>United<space>States<space>on<space>the<space>Olympic<space>Team.
14675b 1 1236.32 7.84 Well,<space>I<space>represented<space>the<space>second<space>time,<space>I<space>represented<space>America<space>as<space>one<space>of<space>the<space>Broken-Down<space>Swimmers.
14675b 1 1244.16 1.68 You<space>know<space>what<space>the<space>Broken-Down<space>Swimmers<space>are?
14675b 1 1245.84 0.80 I'm<space>afraid<space>not.
14675b 1 1246.64 1.28 They're<space>the<space>Water<space>Polo<space>players.
14675b 1 1247.92 3.68 Oh.<space>-<space>So,<space>the<space>second<space>time<space>I<space>went<space>back<space>with<space>the<space>Water<space>Polo<space>players.
14675b 1 1251.60 12.48 And<space>that<space>was<space>partly<space>the<space>realization<space>of<space>a<space>suppressed<space>desire<space>because<space>I<space>had<space>been<space>selected<space>for<space>the<space>1908<space>team,<space>but<space>my<space>employers<space>thought<space>I'd<space>made<space>all<space>the<space>contribution<space>I<space>should<space>make<space>at<space>that<space>time,<space>and<space>I<space>didn't<space>get<space>a<space>chance<space>to<space>go.
14675b 1 1265.12 2.64 With<space>that<space>disappointment,<space>I<space>wanted<space>to<space>find<space>some<space>way<space>in.
14675b 1 1267.84 16.80 They<space>wanted<space>you<space>to<space>show<space>up-<space>-<space>I<space>got<space>just<space>ahead<space>of<space>somebody<space>who<space>has<space>duplicated<space>my<space>record,<space>at<space>least<space>technically,<space>by<space>making<space>the<space>team<space>28<space>years<space>apart<space>as<space>a<space>yaughtsman.
14675b 1 1285.44 2.24 Very<space>interesting,<space>Mr.<space>Handy.
14675b 1 1288.00 9.60 There<space>was<space>something<space>else<space>that<space>I<space>wanted<space>to<space>ask<space>you:<space>And<space>you<space>say<space>you<space>travel<space>so<space>much<space>and<space>swim<space>daily,<space>I<space>want<space>to<space>know<space>why<space>swimming<space>attracts<space>you.
14675b 1 1298.64 14.16 Well,<space>from<space>the<space>standpoint<space>of<space>efficiency,<space>I<space>use<space>every<space>part<space>of<space>my<space>body,<space>which<space>is<space>difficult<space>to<space>do<space>without<space>a<space>hockey<space>team<space>or<space>a<space>basketball<space>squad<space>for<space>these<space>days.
14675b 1 1313.92 5.20 And<space>it's<space>something<space>that<space>you<space>can<space>do<space>alone,<space>although<space>it's<space>fun<space>to<space>do<space>with<space>other<space>people...
14675b 1 1319.44 8.00 when<space>I<space>can<space>get<space>all<space>the<space>activity<space>I<space>want,<space>get<space>my<space>arteries<space>all<space>flushed<space>out,<space>use<space>every<space>finger<space>that<space>I<space>have,<space>and<space>every<space>hole.
14675b 1 1327.44 2.72 Get<space>a<space>lot<space>of<space>action<space>in<space>a<space>short<space>time.
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