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Do you notice that _nobody_ on the team is willing to take charge? A dominant defenceman would be nice....too bad Schneider got hurt. He reminds me of Chris Chelios sometimes. Speaking of Chelios, I wonder if Serge Savard feels like a moron for making that trade. I also wish we still had Corson. Rob Ramage on the ice is less useful than a Gatorade bottle on the bench. Vincent Damphousse has decided to take a vacation, apparently. I have no idea why Demers is playing Denis Savard on the checking line with Carbonneau. Savard is skating well, and is one of the only dangerous Canadiens in Quebec's zone with the puck. Too bad nobody is in front most of the time. Do you also notice that in the defensive zone, not a single Nordique gets knocked down? It's disgusting. We also have Lebeau (5'10", 172) getting pasted at centre ice by Wolaninn (6'3", 205) with no reply from the team, except to yell for a penalty. Dammit, Denis Savard threw the best (only?) Montreal hit of the night when he knocked Sundin off-balance. When Denis Savard is your team's enforcer, there's big trouble someplace... Aside from that second goal, Roy did stand on his head. The third period at least provided something to look forward to. Habs won the period, IMO, and I guess somebody finally came along to smack them a couple of times in the second intermission to remind them that a game had started at 7:30. Hopefully they play that way at home. Roy made the saves (we'll ignore that second goal), so now it's up to the team. -- [email protected]

My last car had T-Tops (BIG T-Tops). My current car is a convertible. IMHO, if you're after that 'convertible feel', T-Tops, open-top, sunroofs, moonroofs, whatever, just don't cut it. There's no substitute for a convertible. If you're not after that sun beating down on you, the wind in your hair and teeth, the flopsum and jetsum getting in the car and the noises associated with the whooshing of the wind, you're not after that 'convertible feel'. So go with something with at least a hole above the driver but don't call it a convertible. And I do wonder how those targa tops would compare against my roll bar in a rollover situation. Of course, I'd rather not test it in MY car. I, too, am in my early 40s. A convertible--accept no substitute.

Our firm is in a position to either sell or lease the serverses of one AN-12 air cargo transport aircraft (with the complete technical repair in 1993 ). Terms of Delivery: 1. The price of the aircraft is $840000. 2. The price of leasing is $42800 per month with the guarantee flight time more than 60 hours. This price includes : a) the price of the aircraft. b) the price of insurance of the aircraft and the pilots. The price of leasing does not include : a) the fuel price. b) the price of technical service. c) taxes , airport taxes, air navigations expenses, the payments of hangspace. d) loading, unloading and insurance cargo. e) days payments for pilot, food and accomodation expenses,transport expenses. Terms are negotiable. If you are interested, please contact at your earliest convenients. Respectedly Yours. Andrey Divaev. MOSCOW tel: (095) 305-71-30 fax: (095) 305-72-60

I just heard on CNN that the Texas Rangers found an M60 machine gun in the BD compound Rubble. The newscaster called this a new hi-tech military weapon! HA HA!! I would bet that it is that Rock Armory M60 semi-auto, or that it was leagally owned and the tax was paid. What year was the M60 patented?

Archive-name: atheism/overview Alt-atheism-archive-name: overview Last-modified: 20 April 1993 Version: 1.3 Overview Welcome to alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. This is the first in a series of regular postings aimed at new readers of the newsgroups. Many groups of a 'controversial' nature have noticed that new readers often come up with the same questions, mis-statements or misconceptions and post them to the net. In addition, people often request information which has been posted time and time again. In order to try and cut down on this, the alt.atheism groups have a series of five regular postings under the following titles: 1. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers 2. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism 3. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument 5. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources This is article number 1. Please read numbers 2 and 3 before posting. The others are entirely optional. 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I'm using a QIC-compatible 250MB streamer, and I really like it. But now a terrible typo in an archive description drives me mad ervery time. Is there any software which can rename, or even better, delete such archives? Any help really appreciated.

Why can't he record it legally? It may not be admissable in court, but recording for personal use is legal. If he wants to play it for his ham friend, that's legal too, as long as he doesn't charge admission. Here, Here! It doesn't actually have to be 1500 watts at 100 feet. I've heard radio transmissions from concert security over guitar amps with no guitar plugged in, and security uses radios transmitting 2-5 watts into a rubber duck antenna, which acts more like a dummy load than an antenna. Hey Bill, where were you three weeks ago when all this stuff was posted and dealt with?

Sounds a little odd but I sold an Amiga hand scanner to an elementary school teacher in south Florida (Miami, I think) but I have just recently found that I still have the scanner manual. The original shipment included the software manual, disks, packaging, etc. Basically, I have since lost the name & address of the  person I sold it to...and I would like to get it to him. If that person sees this, please send me an email to: [email protected] thanx, and sorry for taking up net space.

Yes, so? You still haven't explained why they can't be used to enforce Civil Law. They certainly would have done a better job of Koresh. Just call in an air strike.

It sorta depends on what you drive. I remember running a two channel Motorola with a vibrator power supply and about 40 tubes in a 1958 Volkwagen. The poor little 6 V generator had a heck of a time, and if you keyed the mic at night, you needed to be stationary, because your lights got AWFUL DIM. Isn't progress wonderful?

The following statement was released on February 27,1992 by the Science & Environmental Policy Project As independent scientists researching atmosphere and climate problems, we are concerned by the agenda for UNCED, the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, being developed by environmental and activists groups and certain political leaders. This so called "Earth Summit" is scheduled to convene in Brazil in June 1992 and aims to impose a system of global envionmental regulations, including onerous taxes on energy fuels, on the population of the United States and other industrialized nations. Such policy initiatives derive from highly uncetain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossill fuels and requires immediate action. We do not agree. A survey of U.S. Atmospheric scientists, conducted in the summer of 1991, confirms that there is no consesensus about the cause of the slight warming observed during the past century. A recently published research paper even suggests sunspot variability (which is directly proportional to solar activity), rather than a rise in greenhouse gases is responsible for the global temperature increases and decreases recoded since about 1880. Futhermore, the majority of scientific participants in the survey agreed that the theoretical climate climate models used to predict a future warming cannot be relied upon and are not validated by the existing climate record. Yet all predictions are based on such theoretical models. Finally, agriculturalits generally agree that any increase in carbon dioxide levels from fossil fuels burning has beneficial effects on most crops and on world food supply. We are disturbed that activists, anxious to stop energy and economic growth, are pushing ahead with drastic policies without taking notice of recent changes in the underlying science. We fear that the rush to impose global regulations will have catastrophic impacts on the world economy, on jobs, standards of living, and health care, with the most severe consequences falling on developing countries and the poor. David B. Aubrey, PhD, Senior Scintist, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. Nathaniel B. Guttman, PhD, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic Data Center. Hugh B. Ellsaesser, PhD, Meteorologist, Lawerence Livermore National Laboratory. Richard Lindzen, PhD, Center for Meteorology and Physical Meteorolgy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Robert C. Balling, PhD, Director, Laboratory of Climatology, Arizona State University. Patrick Micheals, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Environmental Sciences, Universityy of Virginia. Roger Pielke, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University. Micheal Garstang, PhD, Professor of Meteorology, University of Virginia. Sherwood P. Idso, PhD, Research Physicist, U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory. Lev S. Gandin PhD, Visiting Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research. John A. McGinley, Chief, Forecast Research group, Forecast Systems Laboratory, NOAA. H. Jean Thiebaux, PhD, Research Scientist, National Meterological Center, National Weather Service, NOAA. Kenneth V. Beard, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Physics, University of Illinois. Paul W. Mielke, Jr. PhD, Professor, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University. Thomas Lockhart, Meteorological Standards Institute. Peter F. Giddings, Meterologist, Weather Service Director. Hazen A. bedke, Meteoroligist, Former Regional Director, National Weather Service. Gabriel T. Csanady, PhD, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University. Roy Leep, Executive Weather Director, Gillet Weather Data Services. Terrance J. Clark, Meteorologist, U.S. Air Force. Neil L. Frank, PhD, Meteorologist, National Weather service. Bruce A. Boe, PhD, Director, North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board. Andrew Detweiler, PhD, Assoc. Professor, Institute of Atmospheric Sciences, South Dakota School of Mines And Technology. Robert M. Cunningham, Consulting Meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorological Society. Stephen R. Hanna, PhD, Sigma Research Corporation, Elliot Abrams, Meteoroligist, Senior Vice President, AccuWeather, Inc. William E. Reifsnyder, PhD, Consulting Meteorologist, professor Emeritus, Forest Meteorology, Yale University. David W. Reylnolds, Research meteorologist. Jerry A. Williams, Meteorologist, President, Ocean Routes, Inc. Lee W. Eddington, Meteorologist, Geophysics Division, Pacific Missile test Center.Werner A Braum, PhD, Former Dean, College of Arts & Sciences, Florida State University.David P. Rodgers, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Research Oceanography, Scripps Institution of Oceanograghy. Brian Fiedler, PhD, Asst professor of Meteorology, University of Oaklahoma. Edward A. Brandes, Meterologist. Melvyn Shapiro, Chief of Meteorological Research Wave Propagation Laboratory, NOAA. Joesph Zabransky, Jr., Associate professor of Meteorology, Plymouth State College. James A. Moore, Project Manager, Research Applications program, national Center for Atmospheric Research. Daniel J McNaughton, ENSR Consultating and Engineering. Brian Sussman, Meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorologist, fellow, American Meteorological Society. H Read McGrath, PhD, Meteorologist. Robert E. Zabrecky, Meteorologist. William M. Porch, PhD, Atmospheric Physicist, Los Alamos national Laboratory. Earle R. Williams, PhD, Associate Profesor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Atmospheric Physsicist, University of Virginia, Director, Science & Environmental Policy Project. (Affilitions listed are for identification purposes only).

It isn't that bad. At least the Bugatti EB110 has compound curves compared to the slab sides on the Consulier. And the Bugatti has a quad turbo V-12 (thing of it as 4 three cylinder turbo engines tied together). Also Ettore Bugatti's nephew is on the board of directors and had a hand in the development. So that's about as much Bugatti as you are likely to get in today's world. Much like Enzo Ferrari's illegitamate son being allowed to take over part of Ferrari as well... That's funny. I have motorcylclist friends who say the same about `cages'. :-) Most GP 500cc motorcycles are V-4s, and the VF line of Hondas were all V-4s (from the VF-400F through the VF-1000F, including the RC30 race bike and the present VFR-750F). It should be noted that Lancia built a V-4 in recent history in the Fulvia HF, a very pretty Italian coupe.

I am interested to know if there is know procedure/document to configure an IBM Musci Feature (IMF) card to work as the sound device with MS-Windows 3.1. I believe the IMF uses the same FM synth chip as the Soun Blaster, but didn't know what driver to use or how to configure the MIDI-mapper. Any help, past success, suggestions? Thanks, Don.

FILES=30 BUFFERS=30 DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER STACKS=9,256 and also my autoexec.bat C:\vshield C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /L rem ***************** MouseWare 5.0 Setup ****************** PATH=C:\;c:\dos;C:\WINDOWS;C:\FAX;C:\MOUSE;C:\WP51\; SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP MOUSE SER 2 rem ******************************************************** c:\dos\share Have you seen this problem before? Please help me out... thanks

A repost from talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.jewish: From: [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Date: 20 Apr 1993 19:15:13 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. All government claims. If they were really stocking such weapons for Armageddon, how come they never used them? "The time is coming. Those of you who have no sword, sell your shirt and buy one... And they told him, Master, we have two swords. And he said, It is enough." (LUKE ...) "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daugher against her mother..." (MATT 10 34-35) Just maybe you won't be home. Then you can come home to something like this: "Well, it's been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster. "I just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn't ready for what happened this particular Monday." That particular Monday was was December 16, the first day of the Bill of Rights' third century, the day when federal agents and local law enforcement officer broke into the house in Tulsa that always flew the U.S. flag. When Lawmaster drove into the driveway that bleak afternoon, one of his neighbors had some news. "'Ohmigod, John, you are in big trouble!' my neighbor tells me. 'Sixty police, federal agents and the bomb squad busted in you house, kicked down the door, cut locks off your gun safe.' I couldn't believe it. Then I walked inside. What a nightmare." It was no nightmare; it was horribly real life. Apparently acting on information the Lawmaster possessed an illegal firearm, some thirty agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) teamed up with state and Tulsa police authorities, search warrant in hand, to search for a "Colt, AR-15, .223 caliber machine gun, unknown serial number." The warrant, issued by U.S. Magistrate John Leo Wagner, also authorized agents to seize "any tools used in the alteration or modification of firearms, such as files or drills; documents, papers, books, records, and other tangible properties which identify occupants or owners of the property to be searched...." Reports vary, but according to neighbors, the joint task force operation aimed at the unemployed warehouseman from a nearby hospital involved some 60 agents and local law enforcement personnel against Lawmaster. They cordoned off the street; took station with weapons drawn in the back yard; used a battering ram to break through the front door; kicked in the back door; broke into his gun safe; threw personal papers around the house; spilled boxes of ammunition on the floor; broke into a small, locked box that contained precious coins; stood on a table to peer through the ceiling tiles, breaking the table in the process. Then, they left. The doors were closed but not latched, much less locked. The ammo and guns were left unsecured. "My front and back doors were pulled shut, but they were busted through and couldn't latch. Anybody could have waltzed in there and stolen everything I own. A child could have taken a gun. The guns, the safe -- everything was open and laying around. I keep all my magazines empty, but someone had loaded them. While I was looking around in amazement, the gas, electric and water companies show up to turn the power off. They said they were told to shut things down. Then I found the note. "Nothing Found - ATF." "They didn't make any attempt to notify me. I've lived in Tulsa all my life and never got more than a traffic ticket. How come they can't look that up, realize I've been law-abiding my whole life, then come to the door when I'm home? They didn't leave someone here to watch over my private property. They didn't even come by to explain what happened. They just raided my home, ransaked it, left it wide open and left." Lawmaster placed a phone call to the local BATF agent. "I asked, 'Are you gonna' arrest me?' and he said, 'No.' I asken him, "Who is going to repair and clean up my house?' And he said, "If you're going to talk to me, come down to my office.' "'I can't come down!' I said. 'My doors are broken!' If I had been on vacation and I didn't have friendly neighbors, I would have lost everything I own. Here I am a competent, responsible firearms owner, and the government leaves them open, unlocked, with ammo strewn around." Lawmaster said the agent advised him, "If you want your door to lock and your gun safe to lock, you're gonna' have to pay for it yourself." "'Oh, I'll come right down, alright,' I told him. 'I'll come down, but I'll bring my attorney.' And he said, 'Well, you bring your attorney, and we won't talk to you.'" So if you don't want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make sure your lawyer isn't there, there's a good chap. What a repulsive outlook on society. "Followers of unusual religions may be killed by the government -- it simply can't be helped in a free society." You and I have two different concepts of "free." --

I think it was - he went into town fairly often, and was known to go jogging. This was even during the 9 month period when he was being watched. One wonders why the BATF went ahead, when they had been warned according to an interview with a BATF agent, that the BD were expecting them, and why they had the media in tow. Almost looks like they wanted to have a romp and a nice show for the media, and it all went to hell... He was also never known to act violently. He has always surrendered peacefully before (but of course, the warrants were served peacefully). He has been tried on the allegations before and found NOT GUILTY. The justification for this mess was he was alleged to have purchased $200,000.00 worth of guns and stuff (over an undetermined time period). Last I heard this is not a crime, or indication of one. I know of an INDIVIDUAL with that much value in guns. SHould he get a fly-thru-the-door shoot-first-talk-later raid? (grenades are shooting first, nobody I know of can say 'oh, thats only a stun grenade, thats OK...'). Can you? I sure cannot. Also, one cannot be sure that 200K figure is not calculated like the Feds calculate the value of a drug siezure... Even so, it is a 'so what' issue... He wasn't bothering anyone (besides the BATF who doesn't like folks other than themselves or other govt people having any effective guns)... and having an unapproved religeous group. Are we required to not offend the BATF these days? I sure hope it hasn't come to THAT... MY point is, it DOES NOT ADD UP. We need an independent investigation, and NOW. Assuming other than FBI/BATF are preserving the evidence. They had the premisis bugged. I am inclined to think a further wait would have saved lives. One wonders why they didn't have emergency gear on hand when they moved, and why they didn't turn on the water when a fire was observed, instead of saying "aw, gee, there is no water". Why so long before the fire gear even SHOWED UP - like after the building had pretty much finished burning? Fireman safety? Isn't that a decision the firefighters should be allowed to make? No water? Why didn't the Feds TURN IT BACK ON? They sure could cut it off quickly enough... One does wonder about the possibility of 'settling scores'... What does 'taking responsibility' mean? You think she is going to be facing jail time if the acts were found to be criminal? You think she is going to face ANY repercussions if the FBI/BATF are found to have acted wrongly? I don't. It is a nice PR gimmick, though. I am not assured there will even be a serious independent investigation for possible wrongdoing or criminal acts on the part of the BATF or FBI. I expect to hear "they are our best law enforcement. They wouldn't do anything like that - NO WAY. OUT of the QUESTION. End of issue". I want to see an INDEPENDENT investigation, with full prosecuting and subpoena powers. With felony prosecution where felony acts are found. Fat chance, I bet. I bet the Justice Dept will have an internal investigation which will turn up at most 'poor judgement'. I hope I am wrong, that this is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [...] [...] As far as I can see, no matter how the session keys are generated (be it Diffie-Hellman or whatever), any Cripple conversation which travels in whole or in part over a land-line is vulnerable to this scheme. Law- enforcement agencies can do it legally at the telco, or illegally by finding some part of the phone line that they can cut into. The degree of risk depends very much on location - not good in the middle of a busy street, but not bad on a line in open country (leading to a drug lord's ranch). The only way to defeat it would be if your phone had the equivalent of a public key indexed against phone number for every phone you might want to call (all of them) - totally impractical, even if some part of the Cripple algorithm could be used as a kind of public key (I don't understand enough about these things to know). This sort of encryption scheme is only really workable over a radio link, and even then you could probably interevene without causing problems for other phones nearby if you were physically close to the target phone. Gosh, yet another way to get round Cripple encryption. How many is that we've found so far? And that's without even knowing the details of the algorithm. - --Paul -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2

Can anyone point me to a cross compiler and/or assembler for the Motorola 68008, hosted by a PC compatible. Preferable Free or Shareware. Also does anyone know of a GNU CC port to this chip.

First off, if I'm not mistaken, only hibernating animals have brown fat, not humans. Secondly, your description sounds just like 2,4-dinitrophenol. This is an uncoupler of respiratory chain oxidative phosphorylation. Put in layman's terms, it short-circuits the mitochondria, causing food energy to be turned into heat. 2,4-DNP was popular in the 1930's for weight reduction. In controlled amounts, it raises body temperature as the body compensates for the reduced amount of useful energy available. It is very dangerous. It would be wiser to adjust to your present body form, rather than play around with 2,4-DNP.

Urgent help needed. Daughter has SE 30 and Imagewriter II. Worked well until yesterday. Now when she tries to print from Macwrite II or Acta the printing message comes on, but not printing! Bought new cable, still no printing. Moved cable to modem port, still no printing! I'm a DOS person and don't know where to begin. Are there diagnostics for a MAC?

: : >move a little, the pain will be excrutiating. I was told by my doctor : >at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth. (Yes, : >by a male doctor, so I'm sure some of you women will disagree). I'd : >really like to know the truth in this, so maybe some of you women who : >have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in. : : One more reason for men to learn the Lamaze breathing techniques, in order : to be able to get some pain reduction instantly, wherever you are. : -- : :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** : :- Artificial Intelligence Programs [email protected] : ********* : :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * : :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< It would have been pretty difficult to practice my hee hee's while I was keeled over pukeing my guts out though. --

Ok, so I've heard about Comtrade, Gateway, TC, and various others. What about your impressions/dealings with Dell, Ariel Design, Austin, Insight, Royal, and HD computers? Responses by E-Mail are preferred because they reduce Usenet bandwidth. I will summarize the responses with another posting in a week. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blake Buhlig Colorado State University [email protected] Electrical/Computer Engineering

Put up or shut up. Where is your evidence? Show a study indicating a link between liking >>GROWN UPS<< of the same sex and liking children. Saying that 30% of molested children are male shows nothing since it tells you nothing of the molesters preference in adults (if they have any at all). The politicians will have plenty to be scared of in one week be it 1% or 90%. I'm sure there will be a few non queers, but the vast majority are queer.

A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked one of Playboy's top party schools. But we do study and more importantly learn a lot. The overall UVa drug use is actually lower than the average college in the U.S. There is no hate law on the books even though they (The forces of PC) tried to have one last year( by the way a similar law at the University of Wisconsin ? was found unconstitutional last year). There is a law against relationship of professors with their students or advisees that just passed. Thomas Jefferson was the sole author of the Virginia statute for religious freedom(the basis for the first ten amendments), though he is not given full credit for righting the bill of rights. So someone who picked on me for that is right. By the way, we're the man in everything. Sports academics and partying. I'm sure a lot of other schools are good at what they do as well, so don't start mailing me junk. I'm happy where I am and maybe I'll go to one of y'alls medical schools in a couple of years.

1954 MG-TF with frame-up restoration in early '70's - a local show winner! Driven very little and stored inside since then - mostly collected dirt & dust. Needs attention to brake cylinders (like all MG-T's) but otherwise ready to run. Chrome & paint not fancy but it is mechanically excellent. The engine, a 1250cc, was completely overhauled by a machine shop. It is priced at $12,000. 1953 MG-TD Good shape but hasn't been run since '70's. Needs engine work, but no rust and everything is with it including a top, side curtains and carpet that were new and haven't seen the outdoors since the '70's. $9,500. 1952 MG-TD Basket Case. I'd call it a parts car, but it's too good for that. Everything seems to be there except the tach. Would make a good project car or parts car if you insist. No apparent rust but the upholstery is a disaster. Stored inside since the '70's. The top was new but now soso. This one has wire wheels! Looking for $4,500. All three cars will be sold "as they stand" with no hassles or haggles. Time has passed by and it is time to part company. Prices are negotiable. Reply via [email protected] or U.S. mail to: P. O. Box 1015 315-341-3501 Oswego, NY 13126 --

Henry, if I read you correctly, you may be asking "If I put a blackbody in interstellar space ('disregarding the Sun and nearby large warm objects'), what termperature will it reach in thermal equilibrium with the ambient radiation field?" If that's the case, let me point out that interstellar dust and molecules provide many instances of things that are, well, not-too-far from being blackbodies. Many different observations, including IRAS and COBE, have determined that interstellar dust grain temperatures can range from 40K to 150K. You might look in a conference proceedings "Interstellar Processes", ed. D. J. Hollenbach and H. A. Thronson, Jr., published in 1987. Try the articles by Tielens et al., Seab, and Black. Inside the disk of the galaxy, the temperature varies quite a bit from place to place (how close are you to the nearest OB association, I would guess). Outside the galaxy, of course, things aren't so varied. I hope this is what you were looking for....

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I sent a version of this post out a while ago, but it was swallowed by the void. My apologies if anyone ends up receiving it. Oh no, I wasn't confused -- I understood that it was your personal opinion. But I thought we were discussing the need to shorten games. The arguments which declare this need seem to hinge on the assertion that long games bore people and otherwise discourage them from going to the ballpark. I'd like to see if the increased length of games has negatively affected attendance. If it has, then there *is* a problem, and something should be done about it. If it hasn't, then there *isn't* a problem, and there's no need to monkey with things as they are.

I have this kit which includes the following : 1) 82c84a/82c84a-5 CHMOS CLOCK GENERATOR AND DRIVER FOR 8086,80C88 PROCESSORS 2) 27C64/87C64 64K(8Kx8) CHMOS UV ERASABLE PROM 3) 51C259L LOW POWER 64K x 4 CHMOS DYNAMIC RAM 4) 82C59A-2 CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE INTERRUPT CONTROLLER 5) 82C88 CHMOS BUS CONTROLLER FRO 80C86,80C88 PROCESSORS 6) 80C88/80C88-2 8-BIT CHMOS MICROPROCESSOR 7) 82C55A CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE PERIPHERAL INTERFACE 8) 82C54 CHMOS PROGRAMMABLE INTERVAL TIMER 9) 82C08 CHMOS DYNAMIC RAM CONTROLLER All these are chips with complete manual in a box. I don't know whether they still work or not, and I don't really know what they are. So this is mainly for those who knows what this is and have use of it (probably EE stuff since this used to belong to a EE student) Anyone interested, please make me an offer.

Fine, but one of the points of this entire discussion is that "we" (conservative, reformed christians - this could start an argument... But isn't this idea that homosexuality is ok fairly "new" [this century] ? Is there any support for this being a viable viewpoint before this century? I don't know.) don't believe that homosexuality is "acceptable to Him". So your scripture quotation doesn't work for "us".