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https://youtu.be/_52zdiltkRM | /r/videos/comments/rnzmc6/the_horne_section_celebrates_christmas/ | [
"It's not a Christmas song, but I preferred their song about one of their families' Pea farm: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74UZNexK8a4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74UZNexK8a4)",
"If you want almost 50min of the Horne section: https://youtu.be/HAnsu4GDvAE",
"Can’t believe no one noticed he skips the letter L, Susie was sleeping in the job."
] | 3 | videos | The Horne section celebrates Christmas |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hcqoo7DIEo | /r/videos/comments/ro02tl/were_the_dutch_masters_from_the_17th_century/ | [
"A little context:\n\nImagine, if you will, you are a town-dwelling early 17th century European. Throughout your lifetime you have been exposed to wonderfully crafted paintings in what would be known as the baroque period.\r \n\r \nAs you leave the local tavern, walking the cobblestone paved streets home, perhaps familiar with locally renowned painters like Rembrandt, el Greco and Breughel, you catch a glimpse of something strange.\r \n\r \nYou spot a painting, not just any painting. A piece of art unlike anything you've ever seen before.\r \n\r \nAn indoor scene, details exquisitely placed, natural lightning that mimics the sun peering through your own windows. Truly a portal in to someone's life that seems indistinguishable from real life, as if a photograph taken centuries before the invention of the modern camera.\r \n\r \nNOT JUST AN INTERPRETATION\r \n\r \nIn the 17th century, during what would be known as the Baroque period, important themes in art were emotional states, often dramatic and exaggerated. A sense of grandeur, drama, vitality and extreme movements. Paintings in a baroque style, as the word itself implies, did not ascribe to the regular or immaculate but would rather try to illicit an emotional response.\r \n\r \nHowever, at around 1650 something changed. Some artists, mainly situated in the Netherlands almost overnight learned how to paint with the most exquisite of detail and perfect lighting, as if they had sold their soul to the devil in exchange for unprecedented artistry.\r \n\r \nPerhaps the most famous of those artists was Johannes Vermeer. When I say famous in regards to Vermeer, I am actually referring to his paintings, not the man himself.\r \n\r \nIn fact, very little is known about this illustrious artist. His exact date of birth is unknown. As is the fact in how he gained his amazing painting skills.\r \n\r \nIn the 1600s in Holland, it was customary as an artist to train under masters. Which master you trained under could lend credence to your own skill and thus increase notoriety as an artist. Therefore a lot of records about artists of that time had been preserved. This is not the case for Johannes Vermeer.\r \n\r \nIn modern days, somewhere between 35 and 40 paintings of his hand survived. Each one still displaying an uncanny sense of realism, as if painted with light itself.\r \n\r \nBut what exactly caused such a drastic shift in painting accuracy? Making paintings look more and more lifelike..\r \n\r \nTECHNOLOGY AND ART MEET\r \n\r \nWhat if painters like Johannes Vermeer and his contemporaries actually used technology to create their photo-realistic artworks?\r \n\r \nThe 17th century in Holland was known as the Golden Age and for good reason! International shipping trade and rapid advances in quality of life, made for a fertile breeding ground of technological advances.\r \n\r \nOne of the trades Holland was best known was its extraordinary lens crafting. Advances in lens grinding made these lenses arguably the best of their time.\r \n\r \nSo could it be possible that Vermeer and painters like him were aided by devices that included these masterfully crafted lenses?\r \n\r \nIn the book Vermeer's Camera, author Philip Steadman proposes exactly this. He says that it could be possible these artists used some form of the camera obscura to capture images and trace over them.\r \n\r \nHowever, when examining Vermeer's paintings under an x-ray machine, no sign of drawings or tracings of any kind were found. It seemed as if he had just walked up to a canvas and started painting free-hand.\r \n\r \nENTER STAGE LEFT\r \n\r \nIn 2013 famous Vegas stage magicians Penn & Teller teamed up with Penn's long time friend Tim Jenison to make a documentary.\r \n\r \nTim is a business man and inventor, who developed an interest in Dutch golden age paintings and painters. After reading 'Vermeer's Camera', he decided to find out if it was possible the old masters used some form of technology, some kind of invention maybe, to help create their masterpieces. The film follows Tim as he explains how a simple mirror on a stick can reproduce very realistic works of art, with little to no experience in painting. By placing a mirror at a certain angle, one could line up a picture with a canvas and by moving the head up and down, constantly comparing colors, a match could be found by trial and error. A very lifelike picture starts emerging.\r \n\r \nThroughout the documentary, Tim, through experimentation, further develops his aptly named \"comparator mirror\". He then decides to take on the huge challenge of trying to recreate a Vermeer painting. On top of that he sets for himself the challenge of only using materials and techniques that were available in Vermeer's time.\r \n\r \nThis includes but is not limited to: lens crafting, table making, façade building and pigment mixing.\r \n\r \nAfter 100s of days Tim Jenison finally finishes his masterwork. He shows it to a pair of art critics and it is lauded as being of equal quality to the original Vermeer, thus seemingly proving the comparator mirror could have been used by the Dutch golden age masters.\r \n\r \nSMOKE & MIRRORS\r \n\r \nWhile Tim's Vermeer puts forward some compelling evidence in favor of the use of something like a comparator mirror by certain Golden age painters, the fact that the documentary is made by two famous tricksters might warrant some healthy skepticism.\r \n\r \nIn his blog, writer Joshua Gans created an article titled \"10 reasons to Doubt Tim's Vermeer\".\r \n\r \nIn it he cites several reasons as to why he suspects Tim's Vermeer is actually a hoax documentary. It's definitely worth a read and contains some compelling yet circumstantial evidence pointing towards it being fake. It should be noted though that Pen Gillette has disputed these claims in a podcast and insists the documentary is genuine. Since Tim's Vermeer was produced several years ago as of writing this, it would have to be a véry long con.\r \n\r \nIt might still not be so far fetched that some kind of invention or secret technique was used in the past. There exist a lot of records of tutelage of painters and providence of certain works of art but the exact painting methods and things like how to mix the perfect pigment, was often a very closely guarded secret. It would be no surprise that such records be either lost to time or purposefully suppressed.\r \n\r \nMaybe one day Penn & Teller will come forward and claim their documentary as an elaborate misdirection or maybe some long lost texts will be found, lending credence to the theory of something like the comparator mirror.",
"Really fascinating stuff. You should watch the documentary by Hockney. \n\nHockney wore a t shirt saying ''optics dont make marks'' in it to exemplify that you still need to have the skill to draw paint on the projected image, i think he got quite a bit of push back from the art community at the time.",
"I actually watched clips of that docu and had it recommended to me before. I'll have to check it out!"
] | 3 | videos | Were the Dutch masters from the 17th century using technology to create their lifelike paintings? |
https://youtu.be/W4CJ3vMvuxA | /r/videos/comments/ro04so/in_the_background_of_this_always_sunny_scene_you/ | [
"Someone just listened to the newest episode of ‘the always sunny podcast’ lol. Their story about this is great.",
"Who does the podcast?",
"Charlie, Glenn and Rob!",
"Nice little Easter Egg. 😊\n\nIt's little things like these that show just how much Charlie, Glenn, and Rob love this quirky show they've created.",
"Oh nice :)",
"The cast actually! Rob, Glenn, and Charlie"
] | 6 | videos | In the background of this Always Sunny scene you hear a disco song with the words "go for it". This song was recorded and performed by Glenn Howerton and Rob McElhenney |
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MTRZRRlA4sw&feature=share | /r/videos/comments/ro066i/band_of_brothers_we_salute_the_rank_not_the_man/ | [
"Goddddd he was such a hateable character. Why'd you remind me?!",
"I actually feel bad for how they portrayed him and how bad his life was after. It's not fair that he didn't get to defend himself about this.",
"I thought I ready before the film came out that he dissed everyone and refused to show for reunions. But yea, his portrayal was brutal.",
"Ahhh good old Captain Sobel.",
"What the fuck did Rachel ever see in that guy?",
"The measure of an actor is the effect their character has on us.\n\nedit: but ya, I get ya",
"He died a very very lonely and sad death in 1987.",
"As someone who only just recently watched Band of Brothers (and after I had seen this scene shared beforehand) I’m kinda surprised there isn’t more build up to this scene.\n\nLike I was expecting it to be reversed earlier on, where in an earlier episode *Sobel* uses this line on Lieutenant Winters to make him salute Captain Sobel. Then we would get to this scene and enjoy the role reversal.",
"Ambrose was famous for 100% believing everything the people he interviewed told him without any kind of actual historical investigation of any kind. How he portrayed Sobel was based solely on the stories from the people he interviewed. Likely some truth to it, but also hyperbole as well. He got the story of Blythe completely wrong only because the people he interviewed said Blythe died. He didn't die from his wounds and served in Korea too and was a hell of a soldier. The story of Spiers murdering POWs is likely apocryphal as well. One of those stories that pass around the military of I have a buddy who has a friend who knew a guy who was there dude. No shit. It's totally true.",
"all this does is discredit the rank.",
"I skips most episodes now. I watch the first one then crossroads then the last two episodes. Such a good series 👌🙌🙏",
"It was a well-written series that didn't need to overplay its hand. The story of *The Brothers* is legendary.",
"Your own personal mini-mini-series.",
"I read a few years back they were working or started working on a series about the 8th Air Force. The mighty eighth! Hopefully they get to it.",
"What is the significance of the 8th Air Force?",
"such a well written moment. Closure for like ten hours of story in a few seconds. masterful.",
"The facial expressions convey as much as what's said.",
"Will do, thx.",
"The immediate response to that phrase should be \n\n\"You say that as if it was a good thing\"",
"you know what's funny, I never realized how tall David Schwimmer is until I saw Band of Brothers. He was such a milquetoast in Friends that he seemed smaller.",
"Yeah, Ambrose was a good historian, but for some reason, he abandoned all research process and reliability inquiries for this book. He just basically took everything on faith, which did definitely hurt it and calls into question how much of the series was true.",
"He was on a break.",
"He was the absolute worst, but many in the company credited their abilities in combat to him and how strict and crazy he was. Still a piece of shit though",
"He gave them discipline. They needed leadership too and the men refused to follow him into battle, under penalty of court martial.",
"The US and Britain agreed to a strategy of 24 hour bombing raids on German occupied territory. Because the Brits had better radar they were given the much safer night time raids while the 8th Air Force send wave after wave of bombers into enemy territory in broad daylight. They also would out range any escort fighters at the time and were basically sitting ducks for German fighters.\n\nTo put it in perspective the B17 raids started in summer of 42 and it wasn't until a year later that the first crew completed 25 missions. It was a meat grinder of men and equipment.",
"Sobel wouldn’t have to use this line on Winters because Winters actually believes you should salute the rank not the man. He’s not just saying for the sick burn.",
"This is the most foolish program. Why does he not simply eat the other soldiers?",
"I doubted the validity of the stories about Spiers as well just from the way it was told in the books and portrayed on the show. \n\nHowever, I recently found a series of interviews with Winters and there is one clip in particular that has cemented the validity of Spiers killing those POWs.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-V6OAtgr6c",
"Unable to watch it currently but is that the interview were basically he says the Airborne were under orders to not take Prisoners and if they did shoot them after D-Day because they would not have the capability to hold Prisoners?",
"It’s Winters saying they verified it directly with Spiers and had him write a letter validating it, effectively incriminating himself.",
">The story of Spiers murdering POWs is likely apocryphal as well. One of those stories that pass around the military of I have a buddy who has a friend who knew a guy who was there dude. No shit. It's totally true.\n\nAre you saying it's apocryphal or totally true? The series portrays it like it might have been apocryphal but there's actually a lot of evidence that it happened.",
"He tried to kill himself in 1970 by shooting himself in the head but only managed to sever his optic nerves. He spent the rest of his life in an assisted living facility before dying of malnutrition.",
"Ah, I think I finally get it now. Thanks for the explanation \\^^",
"It's interesting really. From a veteran's perspective I didn't really feel like they had portrayed him in an overly negative light. The series did a pretty good job of showing him preparing his men for war and he had a big part in the company's success going forward from that point regardless of him being at the helm. The politics of the military are fickle. I have conjecture on whether or not this is an accurate portrayal of his character not having been there or read the book. I really don't think the man had a bad life considering he got to go to garrison and avoid being on the front lines during D-day. Especially if there is truth in his inability to effectively coordinate troop movements. There are two types of officers in the military and this couldn't have illustrated that more perfectly.",
"Thank you for sharing.",
"I've read the books of a few former easy company men and they all portray him as a good trainer but an absolute buffoon/dangerous field commander.\n\nWinters was seen as the best of both worlds.",
"He's saying it's likely not true but it's most probably true, since Spiers himself has admitted in writing he butchered a bunch of prisoners there.",
"Commissioned officer putting in my two cents. I guess this could be perceived this way, but Winters made an on the spot correction of a subordinate. The subordinate was wrong, and did this in front of enlisted men.\n\nIf he did not correct Sobel, he would have set a standard across the battalion that it is OK to disrespect those appointed over you. \n\nDisrespecting rank is the first step in disobeying orders. When that happens, the mission is in jeopardy. Winters was absolutely correct.",
"Being good at training doesn't make you a good combat leader. Consider some of your best teachers in your life. Would you also want them all to be your boss where you work? I'm guessing there's going to be multiple no's there, since the qualities that make for a great teacher are different than one that makes for a great boss in the workplace. The leadership qualities required are inherently different due to the different responsibilities.\n\nOr conversely, have you ever run into geniuses in the workplace or life that would be absolutely horrific as a teacher? \n\nThe same goes for the military too. An exceptional trainer could very well turn out to be a terrible combat leader, and vice versa.",
"He was a great story teller and a not very good actual historian.",
"Welp, I guess I'll be watching Band of Brothers all over again."
] | 43 | videos | Band of Brothers - We salute the rank, not the man! |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ro13x1/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/ro13x1/deleted_by_user/ | [
"How Tinder feels like to men who are yet to be registered as sex offenders",
"Ah yes, calling someone a sex pest for pointing out how a hookup app can sometimes feel like animals in rut. You must be a real joy blackhole. I’m sure you suck all the fun out of any room you walk into.",
">how a hookup app can sometimes feel like animals in rut.\n\nIt's exactly that type of mentality guys have who get zero matches on Tinder",
"Weak troll effort"
] | 4 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtu.be/iqWbeUmCX-Y | /r/videos/comments/ro16dl/the_final_minute_of_my_first_ever_mma_fight_im/ | [
"You look like kids. Skinny too. What are you like a buck twenty while wet?",
"Weight classes do exist friend. And I'm from the UK so I'm lost on what you're saying but I'm guessing you're asking my weight. I'm 61kg and my opponent was 59kg I believe.",
"That’s 134 lbs, man I was close!",
"I'm extremely light and extremely tall, I'm pretty steady at 6'0 - 6'1. Think my height really caused my opponent to wrap around me in his submission but I escaped either way",
"I mean it is a fight so we're not exactly going gentle haha. And idk if it's because I'm English but the expression \"Did you both get full tools?\" means nothing to me? Haha",
"Just so you know, a buck twenty ($1.20) or “120lbs.”",
"Aaaaaah! That makes sense yeah haha. And I think if I was 120lbs at over 6ft I'd be very very unwell",
"Very unwell or maybe missing a limb.",
"There was a guy in training camp though who was a tiny 55kg, that's 121 lbs",
"I weighed 120lb in college, was a twig and I’m 5’9”. I’m 155lb now and do body weight fitness lol.",
"Let's gooooo boy fuck yeah you got fight man good win congratulations.",
"Over this training camp I did manage to go from 58kg to 61kg. And even though its not a lot it's the most I've gained in a super long time. My matabolism is insane.",
"Thank you! There was no way I was tapping out. Not a chance. The fire in my belly got me the win!",
"How old are you? Mine caught up when I was like 25 or so.",
"Always have to pause and try remember my age haha, I'm 20 so fingers crossed I do catch up.",
"What the hell was that guy talking about??",
"Haha. Just keep eating whatever you want while you can. It’s a blessing, friend. Anyway, nice fight. Good luck in your career.",
"Oh I just fucking got it haha. To answer his question I'm not a meat head, I do have intelligent thought haha, and although the video may just look like two guys fucking clobbering each other there is a lot of technical thinking going on, especially with the guard passing.",
"Thank you friend!",
"Nice one mate. Out there doing it while everyone else is sitting here, commenting.\n\nPulled that little slam out of nowhere too. Good hustle.",
"Thanks for noticing that. Means a lot mate!",
"good call, limbs add up",
"fun fact: the human head weighs between 7-11 lbs.",
"punch him in the dick"
] | 24 | videos | The final minute of my first ever MMA fight. I'm the fighter in blue gloves. |
https://youtu.be/9hEpUWC4tKE | /r/videos/comments/ro1cun/matrix_4_resurrections_is_made_for_zoomers/ | [
"I just tried to watch this movie and made it to 90 minute mark and gave up. It was sooo boring that I just couldn't do it. In the first half hour, there were a couple of very minor clever moments but then the next hour went by and it was time to move on and do something else.",
"just choreographed dancing garbage with no plot!",
"Watched it at the cinema last night, if I was on my own I would of left"
] | 3 | videos | Matrix 4 - Resurrections is made for Zoomers |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ro2abf/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/ro2abf/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Not the environment saver everyone thinks they are.",
"What a schmuck",
"What's not serious? They cost nearly as much to replace the batteries as it does to replace the car. There is little that is recyclable, the dead batteries are an environmental disaster, and mining the materials for the batteries uses massive amounts of oil.",
"When I saw it was Finnish I wondered if it was the same explosive team that does the beyond the press and it was.",
"I thought the cost was to replace the battery and repair part of the car, likely something he did.",
"Anyone who thinks these things are environmentally friendly in any way is a clown. You cannot consume your way out of ecological collapse you consumed your way into.",
"Batteries have an estimated 10 year lifespan but there are factors that can shorten or extend the life of them.",
"Apparently it is, but that is just what I have read. The future lies somewhere out there, maybe hydrogen, but I do not think batteries are it.",
"You don't have to replace the entire battery, you can fix individual cells. The story here is that this Tesla was ruined in USA, then taken to Eastern Europe where it was \"fixed\" and Finnish Tesla refuses to have anything to with it anymore, which is understandable.",
"Background story: The car was ruined in USA, taken to some eastern European country where it was \"fixed\", then imported to Finland. Tesla of course refuses to touch it and the rich redneck decided to blow it up.",
"...An electric vehicle *is* more environmentally friendly than one that burns fossil fuels. That's objectively true. The problem is that we need a renewable infrastructure to charge them with. There's not much point investing in an electric car if you're charging it with a coal power plant.",
"The batteries are almost entirely recyclable.",
"Oh great fortune teller; what will I do in 2024?",
"Recycle and replace",
">...An electric vehicle *is* more environmentally friendly than one that burns fossil fuels. That's objectively true. \n\nThats so far from true its a joke.\n\nDo you understand the sheer environmental devastation required to build one? Do you even understand how the lithium and rare earth metals that comprise them are extracted? \n\nYou must sheer mountaintops and pulverize millions of tonnes of rock with fossil fuel powered machines, create massive pits of caustic slurry to extract the desired elements, ship them again with fossil fuels, process them in a foundry, transport them again with fossil fuels to the manufacturing plant for the part, then transfer them again to the final plant to make the car (using fossil fuels) then transport the vehicle to its final destination, maybe on an electric truck if you're lucky. \n\nThe entire process is an ecological disaster.\n\nThere is not a single aspect of this thats good for the biosphere.",
"> Thats so far from true its a joke.\n\nNo, it's [what the lifecycle analysis research shows to be true](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/es903729a). Even if you account for lithium mining and all other resource extraction needed to produce the batteries, electric cars are still better for the environment than gas cars.",
"Average engine life span is 10 years aswell, and pretty much defines the life of the car, as it is prohibitively expensive to fix, relative to the cost of the car after 10 years. This is not new to electric cars at all.",
"Emissions are not the only dimension of biosphere damage.\n\nThis is the equivalent of saying being shot with a .22 is better for you than being shot with 5.56. yeah, well you're still being shot, both are catastrophically damaging to your body, its just one is worse so the alternative doesnt seem as bad in comparison.",
">Emissions are not the only dimension of biosphere damage\n\nWhich is why I cited a lifecycle analysis that measures environmental impact in terms of harm to human health, ecosystem diversity loss, and resource quality loss to capture impacts not adequately portrayed by emissions. Even with this definition in use, electric cars are still better for the environment than normal cars.\n\n>This is the equivalent of saying being shot with a .22 is better for you than being shot with 5.56. yeah, well you're still being shot, both are catastrophically damaging to your body, its just one is worse so the alternative doesnt seem as bad in comparison\n\nSo you're changing your argument from \"EVs are no better than gas cars\" to \"EVs still have an environmental impact of their own\"? There is no method of transportation or locomotion in existence which has zero impact. Focusing on \"they're all bad\" obscures the fact that, given the options available, some are definitely better than others, as EVs are to gas cars. The objective isn't to achieve zero harm in transportation - it's to minimize it with respect to the transportation scenario requirements.",
"I never said they werent better than ICE cars. Of course they are better.\n\nI said they are not environmentally friendly\n\nSure, they are less damaging, but they *are still damaging* \n\nThats not a solution, thats kicking the can down the road.\n\nWe need to reach as close to zero harm as quickly as possible, and not just with transportation, but with the entire sum of human industrial activity. Anything else guarantees the cascading collapse of the biosphere of this planet, and the extinction of all complex surface life that comprises it.\n\n***We cannot consume our way out of a hole we consumed our way into***",
">I never said they werent better than ICE cars. Of course they are better.\n\n😂 What?? That's *specifically* what you said to me. I said:\n\n>...An electric vehicle *is* more environmentally friendly than one that burns fossil fuels. That's objectively true. \n\nTo which you replied:\n\n>Thats so far from true its a joke.",
"Sorry I should have been more specific\n\nPhasing out ICE cars entirely, have them all surrendered, send teams out to hunt down and destroy every remaining one, and replace them all with electric vehicles, and the biosphere still exponentially collapses. \n\nIts not a solution, its a farce. The process of replacing all the ICE cars with electric ones is itself its own environmental catastrophe. One that compounds upon the one caused by the proliferation of ICE vehicles\n \nThis isnt a solution, its literally continuing the damage. the premise is insane.",
"It's also not being proposed by anyone but you.\n\nWhy are you ranting?",
">It's also not being proposed by anyone but you.\n>\n>Why are you ranting?\n\nBecause its not being proposed."
] | 24 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtube.com/watch?v=USADM5Gk9Gs&feature=share | /r/videos/comments/ro2bq3/logans_run_official_trailer_1976_hd/ | [
"SPOILERS!!!!^/s",
"Every few years I hear about a maybe remake.",
"lol, sry bud",
"As a kid, I was mesmerized.",
"My friends and I quote this movie way too often, and nobody ever gets the references.",
"Terrible CGI. just kidding,I remember seeing this when it came out.",
"One of the first movies to feature actual holograms!",
"Jenny Agutter in that green dress. As a young teen I had dreams of running away with her.",
"Logan's loophole, best fun perk",
"This coffee tastes like shit Basil!"
] | 10 | videos | Logan's Run Official Trailer (1976) HD |
https://youtu.be/78m15IpO4TM | /r/videos/comments/ro33cn/guy_learns_the_one_arm_pull_up_in_390_days/ | [
"To anyone curious about pull ups. They are one of the *easiest* things to get *decent* at fast. The muscles involved, if you aren't used to using them, are typically under developed in most people and so you get those \"noob gains\" quick.\n\nIf you're under 160lbs and cannot do a single pull up, you can go from 0 pull ups to 10 pull ups in under a month by just putting a pull up bar in your bathroom door, and do as many as you can each time you go into that room.",
"\"learns\". \n\nHey, what's this thing? Lifting my bodyweight using my arms? Better get down to the library and do some research.",
"I'm no expert, but was his main issue not that he didn't start with the base level of strength needed in the first place, rather than technique? The other tutorials he showed are all people significantly stronger than him.",
"Whilst he was talking, I was lifting. I am officially ahead of him, making me the winningest of the two of us.",
"And if you're a big guy?",
"Kept hearing \"Worm pull-up\"",
"learns or gets enough strength?",
"It would be extremely painful",
"I did this and got up to 8 pull ups at a time real quick. Then i did about 32 one day and fucked my shoulder right up. So I'd say maybe don't overdo it, or maybe just use better form than i did",
"For you.",
"Yeah bros. Fuck you guys are so strong. Let's go rub each other's muscles.",
"Did a thousand reps whilst you wrote this, you're sleeping bro. I'm gaining.",
"Do you even lift bruh",
"~200lbs it took me about a month. Most of it was doing negatives (getting to the chin at the bar and then lowering as slowly as possible)\n\nI was working from home and drinking a lot of water and coffee so I got lots of practice. Once you can do one doing 10 comes quick"
] | 14 | videos | Guy learns the one arm pull up in 390 days |
https://youtu.be/Dp5u6A13004 | /r/videos/comments/ro3rbr/perfect_restoration_beautiful_camera_work_and/ | [
"That is an insane level of cool.",
"Oh wow. That’s craftsmanship in every sense: Attention to detail, skillful execution, eye-catching presentation. Some kinda kool.",
"Fairly simple tools, chemistry, and massive patience for the win!",
"AND cinematography that would make a seasoned director weep",
"I’m pretty sure this would actually qualify as an insane upgrade on top of a restoration since former Soviet republic toys weren’t exactly known for their quality parts, craftsmanship, or attention to detail.",
"does anyone know how he got the shots inside the paint remover can and bag. its such good quality for a tiny space.",
"I'd say a whole lotta *know how* as well!",
"I was thinking it must just be clever editing. I think he just put the paint can lid over the top of the lens, without actually putting the camera in the paint can. \n\nI didn't catch the bag part, but we know he's using clever editing because at the end, he pushes the button for the headlights, and the camera changes to different angle, we can hear the button push and see the headlights come on while there is clearly nothing near the button in that shot. This caught my eye and made me realize he is also doing some very clever post-processing work as along with the super cool shots and macro lenses.",
"So what does coffee + lemon + vinegar + salt do ? some kind of acis solution ?",
"Indeed!!!",
"(n a whole lotta research)",
"That’s some kind of acid solution but would only be as acidic as the most acidic ingredient. You could clean a bunch of calcium/line deposit with this. But you could do that by simply using vinegar. The salt would act as an abrasive but only if it maintains its form—IOW, don’t dissolve it in the solution. You could bleach your skin n hair with the lemon. You could brush your teeth with the salt. You could make a hot toddy if you added Scotch and honey to 🍋n hot water. If the coffee’s good, add sugar n cream n drink it is what I’d do. So many ingredients. So many possibilities!",
"Straight up chemistry lesson that was several levels of bad ass. Bravo",
"does anyone know why they heated up a screw and then put it in linseed oil?",
"It's a process called [Oil Quenching](https://www.sst.net/quenching-steel-in-oil/)",
"The DIY chrome plating at 6:26 is genius!",
"Thanks!",
"[ **Jump to 06:26 @** Restoration Big old Soviet toy car](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp5u6A13004&t=0h6m26s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Great idea, Video Length: [25:49])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@06:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp5u6A13004&t=0h6m21s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)",
"Moskvich 408 Cabriolet? 1964-68 (round headlights)\n\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskvitch\\_408](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskvitch_408)\n\nHere's childs toy with a gasser engine...\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksZQSe4v0Uo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksZQSe4v0Uo)\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97754xLgyXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97754xLgyXo)\n\nHorizontal tail-lights make it look like VAZ-2101, or Lada 2101?\n\nAt 24:38, license plate says 19-81, maybe year 1981?",
"Was wondering about that part, too. Assuming the video was in order, that screw was used for the tail lights. No reason to harden it, unless it also worked like cast iron seasoning for weather purposes?",
"I assumed it was just to blacken it. Aesthetic reasons.",
"He probably just drilled a hole in the side of the can and pointed the lens through. Add something like a snoot and it makes for a great shot.",
"Someone should sell a diy kit version of this."
] | 23 | videos | Perfect restoration. Beautiful camera work and editing. Wizard level craftsmanship. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4B3Hm-Jf8 | /r/videos/comments/ro4oao/so_i_guess_talented_bigtit_guitar_players_is_a/ | [
"Do we give her tokens or what?",
"If she was attractive, had big tits, and played a kazoo poorly, guys would still watch her.",
"Kind of like Geishas"
] | 3 | videos | So, I guess, talented, big-tit guitar players is a YouTube thing. More links in the comments. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQgXJtFOza4 | /r/videos/comments/ro5kvx/adam_sandler_toll_booth_willie/ | [
"I think of Toll Booth willie every single time I put gas in my car. When the screen by the pump asks if I want a receipt. In my head I hear Adam Sandler say, “Would you like a receipt with that?\"",
"\"9.\r Videos Only\r \nSelf explanatory. Audio over a static image or slideshow may also violate Rule 9.\r \nThis includes music visualizers and lyric videos\"\n\nIt's right there in the sidebar. Please read the rules before posting.",
"oh what the fuck did i do,\nwhat the fuck did i do,\nwhat the fuck did i do,\nto get stuck with you?\n\nyou're too loud for drive-thru\nand you smell like the shoe,\nbut im too broke to buy something new.\nah fuck me."
] | 3 | videos | Adam sandler: Toll booth willie |
https://youtu.be/EOGiX4Oy0aY | /r/videos/comments/ro5l1d/istanbuls_new_center_place_to_visit_galataport/ | [
"My favourite tea garden was among the places they destroyed to build this.",
"That’s unfortunate, but your favorite tea garden also probably destroyed someone else’s favorite thing too. Life moves on.",
"Screw that, I want my çai ve tost with the beautiful Marmara at my feet, **simsimdi!!**",
":("
] | 4 | videos | Istanbul’s new center place to visit Galataport |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COwI0JebOhg | /r/videos/comments/ro5nb0/pretty_powerful_music_video_from_king_300_bc/ | [
"Wow, that was... awful.\n\nGeneric \"hood\" music video. Can't rap. Cringe lyrics. This checks it all.",
"Paid upvotes. What trash.",
"Brought to you by Nike!",
"Lmfao. I like how they used bodycam footage from an incident where the dude getting tackled by Chicago Police was a shooting suspect and had TWO firearms on his waistband. Was he trying to spin that around with no context? Trash ass video.",
"Wash your ears with [this](https://youtu.be/COj2QOHPCgI)",
"Don't build it up. It's garbage. Don't be sorry. Be better.",
"yessss, thats fire\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbuf6VbVQBQ"
] | 7 | videos | Pretty powerful music video from King 300 BC |
https://youtu.be/C-nq8tuU5Wg | /r/videos/comments/ro5smw/the_only_christmas_song_i_could_ever_actually/ | [
"Then you need to check out The Vandals, Oi to the World. The entire album is awesome\n\nhttps://youtu.be/oKk-2Pu2N8g",
"Joe Pesci - if it doesn't snow this christmas",
"This is another good Blink 182 Christmas song\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVPdkfVYvk0"
] | 3 | videos | The only Christmas song I could ever actually like. Happy Holidays, you bastards. |
https://youtu.be/1bLIvSEOcr4 | /r/videos/comments/ro617n/a_clear_boundary_between_two_water_bodies/ | [
"Cheers for the arrow, I'd never have noticed the difference otherwise /s",
"This is so cool it's mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago\n\n\nhttps://quran.com/25/53\n\n\nBefore people that don't like Islam try to argue the Alaskan Gulf is not a sea\n\n\nBahrain in Arabic is literally the 2 seas البحران\n\n\nBahrain's 2 seas is the Arabian Gulf. Arabic works different than English.",
"This بحر with 2 waters one fresh one salty not mixing was foretold 1400 years ago by someone who never came near Alaska.\n\n\nI thought it was really cool. I just saw it, that was my first thought, & decided to share. Especially since I read about it recently. Isn't that a more interesting contribution than the chain of puns that a lot of threads get? \n\n\nIf it was Nostradamus except he had 100% accuracy wouldn't you be impressed?",
"I know nothing about oceanography beyond how it affects aviation so your guess is better than mine",
"You see this all the time in the ocean off the mouth of the Fraser River in BC Canada"
] | 7 | videos | A clear boundary between Two water bodies |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmCrtxELFqc | /r/videos/comments/ro7fvz/merry_christmas_gonna_miss_apetor_feels_sad/ | [
"How’s he die?",
"Trapped beneath the ice and drowned.",
"Na Zdorovie! RIP.",
"RIP",
"[https://www.newsweek.com/youtuber-apetor-tor-eckhoff-dies-57-after-falling-frozen-lake-while-shooting-video-norway-1654758](https://www.newsweek.com/youtuber-apetor-tor-eckhoff-dies-57-after-falling-frozen-lake-while-shooting-video-norway-1654758) \n\n\nI have a feeling he was making clips for his christmas video... :("
] | 5 | videos | Merry Christmas! Gonna miss apetor, feels sad without his video this year. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GimCcrwYxdE | /r/videos/comments/ro7neg/the_insane_biology_of_the_orca/ | [
"Amazing and utterly terrifying",
"why are you a seal?",
"Orca OP....pls nerf....",
"TIL orcas evolved from land animals",
"AFAIK all sea creatures with horizontal tail fins are generally mammals and evolved from land animals, if it has a vertical tail fin its a fish of some sort",
"This isn’t insane, it’s interesting 🧐.",
"Truly magnificent creatures. Thank goodness for Blackfish and pretty much shutting down keeping them in captivity.",
"The only thing tougher than a pack of orcas, is a bigger pack of orcas.",
"Life is so versatile. Started in the sea, moved to land, moved back to sea."
] | 8 | videos | The Insane Biology of: The Orca |
https://youtu.be/_a3RGlu5yLs | /r/videos/comments/ro880q/three_hours_of_us_capitol_surveillance_video_at/ | [
"[40 minutes in is when Y'all Queda brings it.](https://youtu.be/_a3RGlu5yLs?t=40m40s)",
"Just some tourists looking to sightsee. Nothing wrong going on here\n\n/s",
"What a bunch of fucking idiots. I wonder what percentage of them have a mental illness.",
"I wonder if we hadn't pardoned almost every Confederate soldier, would we be having to fight this hard against disenfranchisement and institutional racism?\n\nI mean, I don't see any Confederate flags at progressive marches, just shit like this.",
"IMO the US never would have made it to here without Lincoln trying to heal the nation after the civil war.",
"well wanting to solve everything with gun voilence is pretty mental and since health care is extremely expensive lots of Americans are ill. so to be an American means to me mentall and ill.",
"8 months of Communists rioting in the streets leaving 39 officially dead, 14,000 arrested. Arson, vandalism, and looting est. to have caused $1–2 billion was the Insurrection, this is the reaction to the coup.",
"You have to be a bot... this isnt even english.",
"this man woke up on Christmas day and chose violence",
"This is the moment where hundreds of law enforecement officers should have started lobbing excessive amounts of tear gas into the crowd, the first 10 people up the stairs should have been immediately detained, and the portcullises that really honestly should exist should have dropped down to prevent entrance into the building. \n\n A goddamn 10 year old child playing with little green soldiers, Legos and licoln logs could have mabaged the planning and proper defense of a joint session of Congress better than this. \n\n The blame lies with those attempting to launch the coup of course, but how there wasn't a set red line for an immediate plan of action for a proper defense always struck me as odd, then again boomer politicians were never really outside the box thinkers.",
"Hope you never fall on the wrong side of history.... Cause they will remember how you want to be treated.",
"I do believe the issue was the VP who took over was a southern sympathizer or more for the south than abe. Like the 40 acres and a mule died with him. Could be wrong on the details",
"And not a single point refuted by you.",
"Trust me I know less haha\n\nWhat I do know is that in the Middle East when we “kill a terrorist” we tend to radicalize that individuals whole family.\n\nSomeone kills a member of my family you’re damn right I fight them with every remaining breath I have.",
"You mean like black Americans?",
"Most of those who died in those demonstrations were a result of police brutality. Had this not been a riot of white terrorists, I have no doubt the body count would’ve been much higher.",
"Let’s get to the core of your point.\n\nYes, there were BLM protests. \n\nNo, the existence of black people highlighting institutional racism doesn’t give you free pass to overthrow the government.\n\nAnd if you think it does, you’re seditious. Go move to a different country if this one offends you that much. You don’t get to fuck around with democracy because black people offend your feelings.",
"Of course. A continued culture war is a vital tool in preventing the class war. They knew that much even back then.",
"lOoK aT tHe ToUrIsTs",
"The coup being the secure election and (mostly) peaceful transfer of power? I feel sorry for you for buying into the lies you’ve been fed, honestly.",
"One of the dumb fucks that was there is a guy I used to work with. Absolutely no care for anything confederate. Just an idiot with MS.",
"It wasn't so much pardoning every soldier so much as more efforts should've been made to educate and bar people from perpetuating \"the lost cause\" movement.\n\nYour average Confederate soldier who made up the vast majority of the Confederate Army didn't own any slaves of his own, was so poor that he couldn't afford a proper Confederate uniform, and was under the impression that the North was the aggressor due to decades of Confederate propaganda. The Confederate officers on the other hand, who were arrested and imprisoned post war, were the more affluent members of the Confederacy who did own slaves and were well aware what they were doing was not only wrong, but was manipulating their subordinates. Permitting the rank and file to go home after the signing at Appomattox was essential to restoring peace and order.\n\nWhere things get messy is when organizations like The Daughters of the Confederacy started giving credence to the myths of the lost cause and \"Confederate heroes\". Their organization was the one that financed creating all those Confederate statues that sit around the Southern US today, and to an extent even schools and street names based on Confederate figures are a result of their work.\n\nA cultural identity is way more difficult to change or wipeout than fighting an army.",
"This is the type of question someone asks when they don't know history.\n\n\n\nI'll give you a hint.. What do you think would have happened if we just decided to arrest half the country?",
"IMO, the end of Reconstruction was the original sin. I don’t think we’d be here if we’d continued Reconstruction through to its conclusion. But we’ll never know.",
"We didn't just kill 1 member, we dropped bombs on extended families gathering for weddings and call the event a gathering of high level insurgents or some bullshit.",
"Was that still the time where second most vote was VP?",
"So you’re helping make my point?",
"You're responding to a right wing extremist disinformation spreader.\n\nThey have no interest in your facts or reasoning.",
"There’s no way anyone is actually watching this entire video",
"That went away under Jefferson, so this would’ve been after that",
"No that stopped in 1804. I had t9 Google it",
"Vid is 3 hours long. When would they called for reinforcements? What would have gone bad enough to call for reinforcements. Regardless of which side you are on, these questions MUST be answered.",
"Traitors. All of them.",
">The blame lies with those attempting to launch the coup of course, but how there wasn't a set red line for an immediate plan of action for a proper defense always struck me as odd, then again boomer politicians were never really outside the box thinkers.\n\nBecause it was a planned coup, part of the plan was the inadequate forces present despite known threat and no contingency plans.",
"Traitors. All of them.",
"Those are not the core of their points. They’re your projections. \n\n“Move to a different country” isn’t making the point you think it is.\n\n(Edit Lol at this getting thumbed down. Some people can’t tell the difference between facts and opinions).",
"You're responding to a right wing extremist disinformation spreader. They don't care that their statement is false and deceptive... that's the *point* of it.\n\nDo they care that they lie and call peaceful Americans \"communists\"? Nope. Would they gave wanted an appropriate number of arrests of the insurrectionists on the day? Hell no. Do they care that there's a difference looting a Foot Locker versus trying to overturn democracy by killing the Vice President? No.",
"I disagree with you. Completely.\n\nHave a super Christmas.",
"You can disagree all you want. I’m not putting forth an opinion though. \n\nHave a great Christmas too.",
"Wondering about how changing the past might affect today = Ignorance about history?\n\nI think not.",
"I’ve never seen so many morons in one place (except at a nascar rally)",
"I guess so, just making it clear it's even worse than how you describe it. The war on terror is just a nasty hydra: kill one \"terrorist\" and 3 actual terrorists are born.",
"Except they're insurrectionists and and they don't shut up",
"This one is the voice of the brainwashed.",
"Maybe there’s a reason they’re unheard…",
"If anyone wants to be roundly informed about this event, watch the documentary \"Four Hours At The Capitol\". \n\nIt's a bit infuriating as it includes a lot of sympathetic airtime to the domestic terrorists about their motivations and false beliefs. But the instructive part is that large amounts of the footage is taken from their own cameras within the crowd. It's the experience of being embedded among them from start to finish. There's no hiding who it was, what they were thinking, and what they did.\n\nOne viewing of that (95 minute) documentary will save open minded people from having to waste impartiality considering whether the excuses and conspiracy hoaxes they're trying to spin might have a speck of reality to them. They don't, and when you're there, shoulder to shoulder, before, during, and after, it's undeniable.",
"Ugh, doesn't he know you are only supposed to disagree on the internet!",
"I have never heard someone refer to them as y’all qaeda and that’s fucking hilarious.\n\nEdit: lol wtf I’m literally complimenting the dude",
"Right?!? Although his tone is really confusing me…. Like they’re yelling their agreement or something\n\nEdit:I’ll be trying to learn from this, seems like I’m misinterpreting",
"But...but...it's quite obviously tourists just enjoying a day out.\n\nThe Republicans defending this and downplaying it are shameless and scum. But I guess that's what we've come to expect from the party of liars.\n\nYou can't spell Patriot without riot. Is what these cunts probably think is a good sentence.\n\nAll the right does is lie and deflect and never ever take responsibility, not once. It's either tourists or antifa in Trump hats, or a hoax or whatever other shitty slant they want to put on it.\n\nImagine being the child of a Republican senator or Congressman/woman and now imagine having a conscious, it must be terrible knowing that these people raised you and that you are of their kind. That shit would be my worst nightmare. Imagine being Taylor Greenes kid, fucking hell.",
"I do this too tbh, generally it's because I'm angry about what I'm saying not that I am disagreeing. Im not very good at tempering my tone. Sometimes people think I'm disagreeing when I'm just adding to what is said.",
"You could argue that they were heard well before Jan 6th. People can claim to be “unheard” until someone finally agrees with them. Imagine if Scientologists started rioting, claiming to still be “unheard” because people still think Xenu is a load of crap.\n\nIn reality MLK’s quote was perfect for his cause and his time, and it’s great for other causes, but it is not universally applicable - like most great quotes.\n\nAlso in reality, a lot of these people likely have some form of mental illness. And those illnesses are likely playing into the negative actions that occurred on Jan 6.\n\nBut, I know what you’re getting at. These people should not be dismissed. We all have some level of mental illness, and like all of us, it may be helped through compassion, empathy, and respect - maybe so they are not vulnerable to the manipulation of those that would use them for bad…maybe to help avoid escalating to moments like these.",
"“Waste impartiality”. \n\nI mean… the fact you claim to be open minded whilst also bemoaning the fact they received a voice (at all) is incredibly lacking in self awareness. \n\nIt’s ok to be a bigot if that’s what you wish. Just acknowledge that.",
"You can heal the nation and privately execute traitors.",
"Interesting that you are getting a “tone” from this. Because from reading it as an outsider, it seems he was only further extrapolating your point to people who aren’t fully privy to the dirty details.",
"Now criticize the left. \n\n(Lest you be seen as biased).\n\n(Edit. I didn’t say criticize Democrats. I said critique the left. Bro)",
"You're probably going to get downvoted for this and I probably will too, but you're not wrong. There could be legitimate reasons to storm the capital- ending food stamps, cutting medicaid, an actually stolen election- the real question is why these believe so deeply that Democrats are evil and Trump really won the election when there is zero evidence for it. How were they so misled and radicalized into literally storming the capital for a clown fascist on the basis of a conspiracy theory? It's because the Republican party and conservative media outright lied and entertained the conspiracy for MONTHS before this, even after all the evidence and courts showed it had no basis in reality.",
"Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.\n\nI use the word traitors because, to a patriot, that seems to be the best insult I can think of. “Degenerates” does to mind as well, but they think I’m complimenting their ability to scar a wound.",
"I’ve seen 100 times more violence and incivility at a ‘BLM’ riot burning down peoples businesses and looting, not trespassing on tax payers property",
"Sure, about what?\n\nHow weak they are? How Biden isn't that good and is only a stop gap and if they don't get off their ass bad things will happen in 2022 and beyond?\n\nWhat makes you think I'm a Democrat? I'm not even American ha I don't have sides, I just call it like I see it.\n\nBut good to know that you think a literal insurrection somehow has to have an equal criticism on the other side. That's definitely not how it works.\n\nSo perhaps it's best if you chamber down from your high horse lest you fall and hurt your ego.",
"From Wikip: \"Capitol Police Chief Sund first requested assistance from the D.C. National Guard (DCNG) at 1:49 p.m.\\[342\\]\\[343\\] At 2:22 p.m. D.C. officials also requested National Guard deployment in a conference call with Pentagon leaders.\\[342\\] After DoD refused to send immediate assistance, D.C. Mayor Bowser contacted the Public Safety Secretary of Virginia, Brian Moran, who immediately dispatched Virginia State Police to the District.\\[344\\] At 2:49 p.m., the Governor of Virginia activated all available assets including the Virginia National Guard to aid the U.S. Capitol; the authorization from DoD required for legal deployment was not granted.\\[344\\]\\[345\\] By 3:10 p.m., police from Fairfax County, Virginia, were dispatched to the District,\\[346\\] and began arriving at 3:15 p.m.\\[344\\]\" \nA",
">the first 10 people up the stairs should have been immediately detained\n\n​\n\n...oh come on 'detained'. There should have been a proper response from law enforcement for people trying to actively kidnap/kill congress. That response should have been more than when people collectively agree that black Americans shouldn't be murdered for existing.",
"[@ 40:59](https://youtu.be/_a3RGlu5yLs?t=2459)\n\n\"They have a cave troll...\"",
"My statement said nothing of my opinion. \n\nI don’t know why it bothered you to the point of personal insults. \n\nIt’s important to remain vigilant to extremism. Sometimes that requires self reflection too.\n\n(If you’re thumbing this down then you’re part of the problem).",
"No, I mean like anyone who was once on the side of social norms but now are viewed as villians.",
"You calling me a bigot is peak irony. There's being open-minded, and then there's being empty-minded. \n\nTo tolerate your race-based hate as some kind of valid personal opinion is more on the empty-head end of the continuum.\n\nIt's the appeasement of your nihilistic cult that has us where we are. \n\nYou want us to think slave owners were just being traditional, and violent insurrectionists are patriotic, and COVID/vaccine denial is just \"alternative\" medical theory. It's all just a cover story for hate and harm.",
"Funny I often think the police are overtly violent when it's uncalled for, but in this case they should have been shooting people.",
"Country is over. Might as well let the trumpsters have it.",
"Incredible that a police force that size could do almost nothing to stop a few hundred unarmed morons as they ran into the capitol",
"Race based hate? Huh? You’re projecting. \n\nI don’t support these fools. But i acknowledge that understanding their motivation is important if you wish to elicit change. \n\nAnd if you don’t want change, then take ownership of your role in radicalizing them.\n\n(And bigotry isn’t absolved by morality).",
"WOW dude, he was making a comment on splits in our society not you. Your ego seems to be the issue here more than anything. It's not all about you.",
"Did any lobbyist get hurt?",
"They were heard. They just didn't like the answer.",
">Virginia National Guard\n\nand our military...specifically the branch dedicated to homeland defense.",
"Right right, you know all the police officers BLM has murdered.",
"Why youtube has so many bots commenting at this video?",
"Keep tryin😂😂😂",
"Treason.",
"Reconstruction was a shit show. Sabotaged and watered down at every turn.",
"Extrapolating, absolutely. I might be reading into it but it feels like they’re angry with me for not saying more about it 🤷♂️",
"This.\n\nEssentially the Civil War ended because the South saw its imminant defeat, and Northerners support of the war had waned terribly. When the South offered the condition of surrendering its arms on the condition of parole, it was a no brainer. After all, the U.S. had already passed the 13th amendment and was preparing to ratify it.\n\nIt was always the plan to re-admit the southern states back, but Lincoln, Johnson, Grant and even Hayes knew that bringing the south back meant that forcing the south into the ways of the North would never have worked. We would be facing another Shay's rebellion at some point. While Reconstruction wasnt perfect, it went a long way to preserve the union rather then the stiff arm approach.\n\nAlso people seem to think horrible racism we exhibited in the early to mid 1900's was relegated to the South. A lot of the North would be considered horrible white supremacists by todays standards.",
"It's not impartial to give time to liars. There is not always two equal sides. The Child molester and the child are not on the same page. The people trying to protect democracy and those trying to destroy it are not the same.",
"You're projecting the fact you're projecting. \n\nYou being a bigot is evidenced by your post history, and you calling other people bigots is just an offensive spokescreen and consistent with your hate-based personality.",
"We let the Southern insurrectionists think remaining in the union was their penance. We needed to actually teach them the wrongs of slavery. Reconstruction ending led to Jim Crow, you can draw a pretty straight line from there to here. It would be like if the Allies stopped the de-Nazification of Germany because, well, “I think they learned their lesson by losing the war.”",
"You're right that you don't get to have an opinion about facts. You're just wrong about the facts.",
"One is about ACTUAL oppression. The other about willfull ignorance in the face of the facts that THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM",
"Nice buzzwords",
"I don't know how many people participated but more than 600 people have been arrested, so the crowd was much more than a few hundred.",
"1:18:24 is the justice porn I needed on Xmas morning",
"Seems like the majority of US police are conservative and in some form of support of this",
"your part of the problem if you really think this is the cause.",
"No. They threw money at the insurgents.",
"Just destruction of peoples businesses at those marches huh",
"Thankfully our precious precious lobbyist were not hurt. What is America without democracy for sale. Thankfully Epstein didn’t kill himself",
"Trump's names all over this, and there were crosses everywhere. This confirms the fact that conservatives are mentally ill.------ E purpose Unum",
"So the tear gas is a okay when it’s against the people you don’t agree with eh?",
"And without understanding why someone commits a crime, how do you expect to prevent it? \n\nYou can’t shame change. Change comes though understanding. These people won’t absolve their beliefs because you tell them to. That approach radicalizes populations. \n\nIt’s how we got to this point. Doubling down on the behaviors that cause these sentiments to manifest isn’t helpful.",
"It's a lopsided coup because Republican lawmakers have been working on it for decades *while at the same time* Trump needed to whip his idiot base up in an attempt for his administration to steal the election *while at the same time* conservative Americans are still regularly targeted by international trolls and radicalizing material.\n\nThese things all interact, but without being directly organized, you get what seems like \"important nothing-burgers.\" It's important because they literally stormed the capitol with the intention of undermining our democratic process. It's nothing though because most of them were complete morons with no semblance of a plan. So it feels stupid and pointless while actually being extremely critical that we understand every angle.\n\nThat's why people shouldn't be upset that rioters aren't getting huge charges, imo. Most of the people there aren't capable of understanding that anything they ever do is wrong, especially if it's painted in patriotic colors. Putting them in jail for years and years just makes them martyrs. With any luck, the real organizers and any lawmakers who aided them will face serious prison time.\n\nIf they don't, we may not be far off from a legitimate coup d'etat.",
"a planned coup of unarmed idiots",
"> proceeds to defend these traitors",
"I don’t think you understand what the word means. \n\n🤷🏻♂️",
"This is the most ignorant thing I’ve read all day.",
"There it is. Lmao. These people spend their life supporting backwards ideologies soundly rejected by the country in which they live over 150 years ago, watching media engineered to make you angry, and then you suggest people who criticize it - after having actually listened to what these people had to say about it - bear responsibility for making them that way by post facto criticism. Your argument reads like a bad faith playbook.\n\nThe person you replied to is bemoaning the airtime after having actually watched the video, so it makes 0 sense for you to have accused them of bigotry in having formed their opinion of it.\n\nConsider you're claiming not to support them yet at the same time making an argument to shield them from any criticism lest you be responsible for making it worse. You're literally arguing for the creation of a safe space for their ideology. How is that not supporting them?",
"Thats all you have to say? I can make it simpler if you dont understand",
"Peacefull protests",
"You can see one of the terrorists use it on the officers so…. It was lol",
"Absolutely. Just because the north outlawed slavery first doesn't mean racism didn't exist. Just look at the horrible policies Democrats have voted on as well as Republicans.",
"You’re welcome to point out anything I’ve said that wasn’t factual. Knock yourself out.",
"Which is innaccurate. \n\nThe capitol police presence largely falls to the Sergeant at arms of both the Senate and House, along with two other board members. The National Guard was offered before the 6th, but declined for reasons that are being investigated. There was horrible communication between all parties involved that day, which led to the delay in the National Guard being deployed.",
"Maybe the 30+ dead in over 1 year of rioting?",
"Why is trump not in jail yet for instigating this?",
"If they were just crippled people in wheelchairs, they would have kicked their asses and tossed them out\n\n[*proof](https://youtu.be/qcjbpnUl5jo)",
"This is a pretty narrow field of view but from this video it appears as if they did a whole lot of absolutely nothing to stop the seditionists from storming the capitol.",
"Lol at the irony of this comment. Not a single officer was killed jan 6th. That was fake news they had to redact at like midnight so no one would see the lie. \n\nMeanwhile... Yah, multiple cops were killed in the blm riots. Some dude pulled up to two cops sitting in their SUV and killed them point blank. Then there was the off duty policeman killed for a tv while he was protecting a friends store. \n\nYou live in a world of lies and delusions.",
"Is he turned around to speak to the other 'insurrectionists' or is he backward, so the police would have to shoot him in the back?",
"Someone needs to put zombie moans over the crowd as they enter\n\n\"Brains! Give us your Brians!\"",
"The whole situation was half-assed at best, calling it a coup is an insult to coups all over the world. The idiots couldn't even do the thing they went there to do correctly.",
"Comments sections like this remind me how emotionally unhinged the political discourse is in our country today.",
"You mean the tragic deaths that happened as people were once again protesting for equality and to not face the oppression they still do decades later, after yet another person was needlessly murdered by police?\n\nI forgot how systemic racism and oppression is all Democrats fault. Silly me.\n\nIt's also alarming how you think this is somehow comparable.\n\nBut that's all the right ever do..it's \"well what about this, what about that?\" They'll make up all sorts of narratives to ensure that no blame whatsoever can be attributed to them. Shameless doesn't even begin to cover it.",
"No, this is called whataboutism. As in failure to acknowledge some bad shit happened by asking, “well, what did YOU do?”. It’s an attempt to absolve one party from having any accountability. Wanna talk about riots in MN where people looted destroyed businesses etc.? Sure we can talk about that, but this post wasnt about what happened in MN, it’s entirely about an insurrection on the Capitol.",
"I think Trumps efforts was the coup part. 99% of these helpful idiots were not part of the coup. He was probably hoping the real extreme 1% would do something to some Democrats.\n\nNo one should believe that Y'all Queda entering the capital alone was the coup",
"“Monsters” are subjective. \n\nHow incredibly dangerous.",
"Not if they were a brainwashed half-wit.",
"Shoot first guy that enters in the head. \n\nEnd of January 6th event.",
"Pretty cool",
"A bunch? More like \"several hundred\", led by armed members of far-right militias. Forget about the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, the Oath Keepers? White nationalism is incredibly far from \"irrational hillbillies\". Almost 20% of people charged were [current or former military](https://www.npr.org/2021/01/21/958915267/nearly-one-in-five-defendants-in-capitol-riot-cases-served-in-the-military). \n\nOxford definition of coup:\n\n> a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government\n\nIdk man. \"Coup attempt\" seems pretty accurate.",
"Wut.... That's just a flat out lie. Man, you people don't follow the news in any sort of detail! \n\nThose 4 kids joy riding in the chop that got gunned down by hundreds of semi automatic rounds by \"chop security\"... Those are cop casualties? \n\nThe person found burned alive in a building... Cop casualty? \n\nThat off duty cop killed for a tv, police casualty? \n\nThe trump supporter killed by a bullet to the head, point blank in the middle of the street... Just an other cop casualty? \n\nThe cops sitting in their SUV when a thug came by and shot them both to death... Is that a cop casualty? \n\n\nCare to bring up ANY specific instances of cops killing any of those 30+ people who died in those riots? \n\nYou live in a world of sloganized lies.",
"An ineffectual, shabbily-planned attempt at a coup is still an attempt at a coup.",
"Jan 6 commission has evidence of it being planned weeks in advance. It was not spontaneous riot. What makes it hilarious is how incompetent EVERYONE was, at EVERY level from POTUS to the MAGA idiots.",
"Look at all the ANTIFA /s",
"Thanks",
"its a shame the idiots decided to fight the police.\n\nWatch the faces of the people in the background when shit hits the fan.... they really didn't want it to resort to that.",
"Fry these terrorists.",
"America is the shit hole country they're so scared of.",
"Ya they were so uNArMeD that they murdered police officers. You conservatives can spin this all you want inside your cult but the world watched it all happen on live TV. The commission will document the truth for generations so enjoy living in the bubble I guess",
"The terrorist attack you mean.",
"> While Reconstruction wasnt perfect\n\nReconstruction failed. Which is why we are where we are today.",
"I feel sorry for the guy at 2:28:15 holding the crutch up and trying to stop the violence and then that fuckwit starts hammering down",
">Incredible that a police force that size could do almost nothing to stop a few hundred unarmed morons as they ran into the capitol\n\nNot sure how many were unarmed, but the one video that was on Twitter (since purged, go figure) of the lady who was shot and later died, there were at least two people that I recall aiding her after getting shot in the stairwell with AR style rifles slung across their backs. One gentleman actually had his raised and at first on the video when you hear the shots and see her go down, I thought he shot her. \n\nAnd let's not forget the \"zip tie guy\" who was photographed vaulting the chairs with a sidearm in the holster. \n\nMaybe there were plenty of \"unarmed insurrectionist\", but enough of the ones shown on video/photographs were armed. \n\nAnd the guy that killed the guard with a fire extinguisher, yeah he was armed as well, that was used as a weapon. \n\n600 arrested is not nearly enough.",
">No one should believe that Y'all Queda entering the capital alone was the coup\n\nNo, that would've just been a riot. It is all the planning that happened before, that makes it a coup. I agree that 99% of the people there did not know about it being a coup.. poorly planned by incompetent idiots but planned coup attempt nonetheless. It really baffles my mind how incompetent they really are at the higher up positions.. I can understand one orange idiot but.. everyone, at every level were incompetent while the competent people were pushed aside because they were telling realities, what is and isn't possible. It is incredible.",
"not american....didnt all this stuff happen ages ago, why is this video randomly getting this much traction again? surprised the mods here let this vid stick up",
"Not even a year ago what are you talking about",
"If you don't understand why Lincoln didn't imprison the souths military.. you haven't studied history.\n\nThe question has been asked and answered many times. It is something covered in high school in the United States.",
"It was January 6th, 2021, so just a hair under a year ago...",
"Ages ago? It hasn't even been a full year since it happened",
"They weren't unarmed man, why do you guys insist on lying about that day",
"When they realize the riot shields they moved out of the tunnel are useful and hand them back in to the front line.....LOL. A little late for that Bubbas. How stupid do you have to be?......... oh wait.",
"Yes, and the planning was done by incompetent morons. Does not mean it was not a planned coup attempt if it was done poorly.",
"Username checks out. A 'Prayer Machine' equates to a machine that produces nothing of value and serves only to make the user feel better about themselves.",
"I got my education in Texas.",
">hadn't pardoned almost every Confederate soldier\n\nI see you don't know what \"pardoned\" means.",
"Quite the blase broadstroke. These weren't just \"hillbillies\" -not that that wouldn't make it any less serious if it were- but so many were white nationalist organizations, paranoid right wing militias, and then just a ton of ordinary people who could be your average suburban neighbor. Lots of police officers, lawyers, business owners, actors, Olympic athletes...lots of diverse people from all socioeconomic classes. This is widespread in America",
"Did you not see the videos of people chanting \"Hang Mike Pence\"? I guess you missed when they broke into the Senate Chambers with zip ties so they could kidnap senators. If you think this was anything less than an attempt to stop the certification of the election so Trump could remain in power indefinitely then I feel sorry for you. Just because the people committing the crime are too stupid to succeed that doesn't mean they didn't attempt to do it. What exactly do you think would happen had they gotten their hands on Nancy Pelosi, or any of \"The Squad\"?",
"Trump people sure do love bastardizing the American Flag with political garbage defacing it.",
"Why won't they release all the footage?",
"Beleive they were shooting pepper balls and was just trying to avoid it to the face",
"That's why the word attempted is put before coup.",
"You really only see them at fed events.",
"Reconstruction died with Lincoln. There's a reason Johnson is considered by historians as the worst president in American history. The dude let the entire south off the hook.",
"Just a bunch of overweight gear queers standing around, and walking away after getting maced.",
"I’m so sorry, there is hope though.",
"Now let's count how many of those dead you mentioned came at the hands of an idiot MAGAt.",
"Why is it that insult is frequently used by practiced liars, like you?",
"> I’ve seen 100 times more violence and incivility at a ‘BLM’ riot\n\nThey were not hunting down members of congress and looking to overturn a legitimate election.\n\nYou are making a false equivalence and it's a bad look.",
"He's trying to imply killing them all.",
"Just shows what a jerk off reddit is.",
"Confederate flags were not flown on the regular after the war till the Civil Rights movement. You can draw your own conclusions as to why the resurgence happened.",
"Lol at the white trash uprising. All this to support a reality show con man who ran scam charities, scam universities, bankrupted businesses, talked about seizing people's guns, withheld money from our ally at war with Russia unless they went after his political opponent, sexually assaulted like 17 women, had multiple extramarital affairs, said to nuke a hurricane, inject bleach, appointed a coal lobbyist to head the EPA, someone who believed dinosaurs and humans Co-exisisted to head the education department, never released his federal taxes, appointed his family into positions they were grossly unqualified for, etc. Literally every single day this buffoon would create a new scandal before people could even talk about the last one he did.\n\nTen years I ago if they made a movie about this even as a comedy I would've thought it was too far fetched. I greatly underestimated the stupidity of people in this country. The guy is literally a con man and his followers are just suckers. The best his cult followers can say is \"but what about the one random thing someone else did that was bad... that makes all the things he does and did not so bad\"",
"Y'all Queida. Pathetic.\n\nEdit: lol fuck off Q, go drink your bleach.",
"None. Please go ahead and do the count. Start paying attention for fuck sakes. Those are all leftists BLM riot casualties.",
"the potential for them to be swarmed, especially in other places where they breached was way too high.\n\nAt the chokepoint, sure. it would've stopped them in their tracks but almost everywhere else, a gunshot would incite so much mayhem and likely violent retaliation",
"So the House and Senate Sergeant at arms were planning to usurp congress and the Vice President?\n\nIf so, they did a fantastic job",
"I love it! Make the gov't fear the people, the way the forefather's intended it to be!",
"I dearly hope this will still be a reasonable opinion 20 or 30 years from now. History is never over.",
"Watching the same clip 100 times on Fox doesn’t count.",
"lol right? These guys are ridiculous",
"You're so full of shit.",
"Why was no one shot though (aside from that one woman)? I don't want people killed, but the other day I witnessed a guy on a walmart scooter get mag dumped, yet thousands of \"patriots\" storming the capitol gets...nothing? If there was ever a time for a cop to feel trigger happy I feel like this was the one time they could've gone all out and be justified.",
"Yup. Interviews with the police officers in that tunnel showed that they knew (or at least believed) that people were armed. One of them said he very much wanted to pull his gun and fire it at the people attacking them but knew they where armed and would return fire.",
"How did the guys at 1:54:25 not get shot/sprayed/tazed/something?!",
"Lincoln’s plan was lenient as well though, the problem was Reconstruction ended abruptly when Democrats traded the Presidency to Republicans with the Compromise of 1877 in exchange to lift Reconstruction policies in the south…once again progress was sold out for power",
"The replies to your comment say, \"overwhelming yes because they'll buy anything CNN and NBC are selling. Just as bad as the Tucker Carlsons believing that COVID was created by a group of people that want to usher in a New World Order.",
"A military branch under the control of an administration that wanted the insurrection to happen...",
"If you’re hearing this “insult” (hint it’s not an insult) frequently…. then try some self reflection. \n\nYou’re not being gaslit.",
"Lincoln was assassinated after or very near the end of the Civil War ( depending on your definition).",
"I did, at 2X speed. So you're wrong, Merry Christmas.",
"Reports: Trump Resisted Sending National Guard To Quell Violent Mob At U.S. Capitol\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/06/reports-trump-resisted-sending-national-guard-to-quell-violent-mob-at-us-capitol/?sh=57d649641e18\n\n\"The Pentagon deployed all 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard in response to the mob on Capitol Hill. Trump initially resisted requests to send in the National Guard, a delay that frustrated his aides, and the order to deploy those troops was ultimately placed by Pence rather than Trump\"",
"\"Hang Mike Pence! [for not ending the democracy],\" I'm not sure you can seriously say that they wouldn't have done anything to someone like AOC. They wanted to kill their own previously elected Vice President for not overturning the election",
"Go ahead and demonstrate that then. Bring up one case of a maga supporter killing someone in those riots so you can keep pretending those 30+ dead are somehow maga supporters killing protestors. Back up your claims.",
"Great rebuttal, very informative. I for one would like to hear the reasoning why reconstruction could be considered a success under any metric. Seriously, not sarcastic. \n\nI'm not a super huge history buff but my impression from school was always that it was an abject failure and why we are where we are today. Jim crow laws, monuments to traitors everywhere, institutional racism abounds and the traitors are still, on the whole, traitors today. That seems like a \"Bush- Mission Accomplished\" success to me.",
"A lot charges are still being filed against those who participated in the insurrection. Many court cases are taking place now. Court judgements of cases and sentencing is on-going and still very much at the front of American minds. Although the incident was almost a year ago the fallout is very much a matter of current events.",
"At the very least, we should have executed the entire southern aristocracy for their role in leading the traitors.",
"Ah you're right, he made a mistake. We should continue to allow armed gunmen access to congressional chambers whenever they feel like it and continue to use tear gas on people for having the gall to be angry when innocents are murdered and the killer gets paid vacation.",
"I underestimate the amount of time some people have to waste I guess. Merry Christmas to you and yours.",
"Somebody did get shot. It was a woman",
"Yeehawdists",
"Good point with your first section, less so with the second. Mainly because of the extensive nature of the Nazi government and how if you wanted to be *anything* you needed to be a member of the Nazi party... Denazification basically never went anywhere beyond 'tear down these signs', people above a certain rank being banned from public office, and a few highly publicised executions.\n\nFor everyone else, it was very hit or miss, the British and the US had a 'test' in place, your answers determined if you were too 'Nazi' and thus banned from public service, or not Nazi enough and allowed to keep your job. The USSR and French had their own sections of Germany to denazify, which they did to varying degrees of success.\n\nOnly it was a pain in the ass and abandoned soon after. \n\nBasically, denazification was stopped because it was too much work, and the Western Allies needed to get Germany in shape to counter the USSR.\n\nIt was their children after the war who realised the horrific nature of the Nazi Regime and took the previous generation to task over basically pretending it was all Hitler's fault. Ignoring their own participation in the various atrocities.",
"https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/20/update-capitol-police-officer-sicknick-died-natura/\n\nNo blunt force trauma was revealed in the autopsy. The original story was he was beaten with a fire extinguisher, but it was later determined to be a stroke and ruled natural causes.",
"Yes, yes you did. Welcome to reddit.",
"Reports: Trump Resisted Sending National Guard To Quell Violent Mob At U.S. Capitol\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/06/reports-trump-resisted-sending-national-guard-to-quell-violent-mob-at-us-capitol/?sh=57d649641e18\n\n\"The Pentagon deployed all 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard in response to the mob on Capitol Hill. Trump initially resisted requests to send in the National Guard, a delay that frustrated his aides, and the order to deploy those troops was ultimately placed by Pence rather than Trump\"",
"You point to all these lines that others draw and draw no line yourself. How vapid and immaterial your opinions.\n\nWhat, if anything, is the line at which a person, having crossed, necessitates their removal from society for you? Speak up.\n\nWe know from others what theirs is, and you demand a better course, so----solve it for the crowd, you naysaying punter.\n\nHow do you solve the knot? What is your plan to understand your way out of a knife at your throat?",
"True. I'm just surprised it only happened once.",
"Ah, the old walking riot ... Classic.",
"I think the better question is would we be here if Republicans who came after Lincoln held fast to reconstruction. They abandoned it out of political convenience and even before then they slowly aided in eroding it up until that point. Would seeing Reconstruction to its true end put an end to the Lost Cause Narrative carried out by Daughters of the Confederacy and Woodrow Wilson, would it have stamped out any attempts at Jim Crow laws?",
"Fun fact! You don't know the difference between pleading not guilty and being not guilty after a trial.",
"The president of the united states encouraged them to do what they did. They were not \"the voice of the unheard\", they were part of a shitty presidential attempt to overturn the elections.",
"Right.",
"January sixth is in less than two weeks. You really got him good.",
"Man. This guy is so not American he got time warped.",
"yeah i always just assumed dudes with machine guns would show up outta nowhere and mow down the crowds that attempted something like this",
">the authorization from DoD required for legal deployment was not granted.\n\nThey were not deployed",
"If Trump had done his job and conceded when the results came in Ashli Babbit would still be alive.",
"This is the right answer.",
"https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/12/donald-trump-rioters-chanting-hang-mike-pence-common-sense/8594353002/\n\nhttps://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2021/10/13/capitol-riot-video-shows-nashville-accused-zip-tie-guy-mother-jan-6/8443587002/\n\n...yeah maybe quit the faux public narrative and come to real life",
"The plan was to stop the certification of the election. \n\nThen trump would claim he still is president because the certification didn't happen.",
"In my opinion, the first who broke in after having been told multiple times that breaking into the US Capitol was in fact illegal, and after they'd been pepper sprayed, should have been shot. If someone does that much at my employer with intent to hurt me, I would expect security to use that gun. That she got past all that and was at the point where it's her life or those of our leaders, and people are still arguing is amazing.",
"Perhaps the night before when TWO PIPE BOMBS were found by RNC and DNC headquarters. The fact that J6 committee doesn't even mention the pipe bombs is kinda peculiar, no? Why would they just completely ignore them, they're relevant!",
"Except this isn’t the people. These are the footsoldiers of an undemocratic movement whose goal is specifically to take power *away* from the people.",
"But they shot that one lady and what you're saying didn't happen. \n\n\nIn fact when she was shot everyone stopped in that general area.",
"\"The republican coup attempt was soo 2021, gawd.\"",
"There is no “knife at my throat”. \n\nI don’t indulge extremism from either side. And that statement sir, is an example of extremism. \n\nI encourage understanding. That’s the solution. \n\nMy opinion IS irreverent. Hence why I don’t need to express it (nor seek validation of my beliefs). \n\nIf only others shared that same level of confidence we wouldn’t have such a splintered society. It’s ok for someone to feel/believe something different to you. Even when those beliefs are a perceived threat to you. Because only though understanding can you achieve change. \n\n(The short answer? Don’t poke the bear).",
"Honestly I shouldn't have watched any of that on Christmas morning. It just makes me fuming mad to watch these insurrectionist fucks defile our capitol and our democracy. \"Patriots\" my ass. Prison for all of them.",
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"because it was a chokepoint... the direction of egress was clear, the direction of threat was clear.",
"All this for a conman that shits his pants. Jesus Christ!",
"But a few months prior they cleared out an entire street so Donald Trump could take a picture in front of a church..",
"Congratulations on becoming their monster I guess 🤷🏻♂️ \n\nNow scratch your head and wonder why they come for you.",
"Is it just me, or did I see them teargas themselves, make themselves sick and incapacitated, and then let the crowd in? I could only watch that far, it's absolutely insane.",
"Why didn't you check before posting? That's what most sane people do before presenting the internet with \"facts\".\n\nYou got outed as the dumbass you are man up and accept it.",
"It wasn't ages ago but even if it was what's that have to do with it? There's lots of interesting videos of the Berlin Wall or tiananemen square from ages ago.\n\nAlso lots of these people still need to be charged so sharing this video may help individuals be recognized.",
"Well dang did not know that. There was plenty of stuff thrown at guards that I saw on various videos and the news coverage (rocks, chairs, I saw what looked like a flagpole stand, etc) that should all be considered assault at least.",
"Looks to me like they teargassed themselves first.",
"You mean why the union, that was trying to unite the nation, pardoned the south who surrendered on the condition of parole after one of the most brutal and bloody civil wars in history?",
"They definitely have those guys now.",
"You might accidentally be arguing that you and the people you vote for are a greater threat to our democracy than the idiots who broke into the building.",
"The stick poking was great. Just smacking that dumbass with a long pole. 🤣",
"Exactly. The story has so many holes from both Sergeants it makes a bunch of flag waving dunces beaking in more probable.",
"If the people who did this weren't white, you know that's what would've happened.\n\nJust imagine if all these people were Muslim and were shouting in Arabic. This story would've been much, much different.",
"It's nice that someone released 3h of unedited footage so people can come to their own conclusions with more data as opposed to cherry-picked snippets from either side to support their narrative. \n\nThat said, I've seen more chaos and violence in a Walmart on a Black Friday.",
">At 2:49 p.m., the Governor of Virginia activated all available assets including the Virginia National Guard to aid the U.S. Capitol; ***the authorization from DoD required for legal deployment was not granted.***\n\nThat's fucking horrifying. Thank god for Virginia, and it clearly wasn't a coincidence that Trump purged DoD leadership before this.",
"Not when it’s their buddies from the fake militias, police departments, or your average right wing message board looking back at you.",
"Since January people have been pouring over hundreds of thousands of hours of footage from that day, identifying criminals and passing on the files to the FBI. Time well spent in my opinion",
"**So you didn't vote for Trump or any other Republicans, right?** Because I don't see how you can dismiss the people you voted for encouraging a coup and then say that some idiots breaking into the building and threatening everybody's lives isn't on you and your elected officials.\n\nI'd throw some of the people you elected in jail, they tried to overthrow the government and only realized it was dumb when they found out their supporters might be crazy enough to kill them.",
"No need for quotes, insurrection is an accurate word for attempting to violently overturn an election\n\n>insurrection noun\nin·sur·rec·tion | \\ ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən \\\nEssential Meaning of insurrection\n: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government\nHe led an armed insurrection [=rebellion, uprising] against the elected government.",
"Hahaha that one’s good too",
"Agreed.",
"Can't tell if you're being sarcastic? It literally hasn't been a year yet, that's what the parent comment is saying.",
">your part of the problem if you really think this is the cause.\n\nI simply posed a question, if you get offended when someone asks questions, I think *you* are part of the problem.",
"Funny how conservatives only bring up the riots of that summer when trying to deflect from either condemning a literal attempt to overturn a free and fair election or condemning the systemic racism that we’ve been trying to eradicate for decades.",
"As a non-American, your comments on our politics are really not helpful regardless of their content. While you might be well intentioned, a big part of why we are in this mess is malicious foreign actors online activity.",
">Just destruction of peoples businesses at those marches huh\n\nWhat about...\nWhat about...\nWhat about...\n\nChange the record.",
">I find it hilarious that you think liberals are incapable of thinking the Jan 6 riots were blown out of proportion.\n\nSo *you're* a liberal?",
"Too much restraint if you ask me. Every one of them, from the ones beating cops with flagpoles, to those putting their feet up on the Speakers desk, got to go home that night.",
"Curious.",
"https://youtu.be/naleynXS7yo",
"I understand if it’s someone’s job, but just normal people on Reddit? Even if I had 3 hours to kill, or an hour and half at 2x speed like u/bitcoinkang said. I’m not about to watch these people be jackasses for that long. Maybe someone can give me a quick rundown as to what made it worth the time for them. I’m genuinely interested now.",
"If you're using dishonest insults, then try not being a dishonest troll. Gaslighting might work for you with some people, but it's failing here.",
"It’s not just on Reddit, activists who care about democracy and freedom across the world are putting in hours here and there.\n\nI think it’s make sure justice use done, to prevent a coup attempt from happening again, so as not to destroy their country and lives? Is that not a good enough reason for you?",
"Neither do you, I doubt you have more than a basic understanding of your own countries history.",
"So you can say you didn't vote for Donald Trump or any other Republicans, then?\n\nI don't know why you thought \"**noo**, I don't believe in big government, I believe in magical bootstraps\" was a useful answer to my very obvious question. So you *did* vote for Trump, maybe, or at least a House or Senate Republican, right?",
"I get that, I guess my original comment was geared more towards the average redditor",
"Just because it wasn't a successful coup, doesn't mean it wasn't a coup. Things went just right enough for all the representatives and senators to get out safely. That crowd would've 100% killed Pence, Pelosi, or AOC if they ran into them. You should watch the Jan. 6 videos if you don't think this was a coup attempt and read some behind the scenes articles too. Crazy that many Americans don't have a fucking clue what this really was.",
">Absolutely. \n\nThe point of the question is that it is impossible to know for certain what things would be like, but it's pretty likely we would be much further along in terms of social progression if things were handled differently.\n\n\n>Just because the north outlawed slavery first doesn't mean racism didn't exist. \n\nI didn't say it would've solved racism, but I am *VERY* confident that we wouldn't be fighting this hard to stop the disenfranchisement of minorities.\n\n>Just look at the horrible policies Democrats have voted on as well as Republicans.\n\nAh, there it is, \n\nI only mentioned the confederates from 1860 not being pardoned, if your political party in 2021 would crumble if racists from 150 years ago were jailed you are almost certainly in the wrong.",
"Posing a hypothetical about what life would be like if we changed history = ignorance of history?\n\nI don't think so.",
"I think you’re living on another planet.",
"I was trying to make him/her say it.. because it only exposes the issue even more. And will directly lead to one of the reasons why Lincoln pardoned the south.",
"Is t9 your robot servant, who googles things for you? \"I say, t9, will you fetch me a google result?\"",
"Good info. I didn't know this either. \n\nWith that said:\n\nStress has been shown to cause a marked increase in stroke risk. I'd imagine that day was probably the most stressful day he ever had. It was stressful for me and I was watching it on TV 400 miles away",
"Republican voters were allowed to break into government buildings, and you're a Republican claiming to not be a Republican who says he or she has no problem with that, because it wasn't serious and it'd be silly to call it serious.\n\nAlso, you should have been wise enough to vote for Gore, I was wise enough for that when we were both much younger children, but I'd consider our current conversation to be significantly more damning than that.",
"No. It happened because people (like you) told them you were their enemy. \n\nIt really isn’t about them. It’s about the root cause that allowed this to fester.\n\n(Even now you’re determined to make yourself my enemy. But I refuse. I don’t hate you despite how hard you’re trying to make me).",
"But you said “anyone”, so…",
"Lol it’s not gaslighting. \n\nYou don’t know what the word bigot means. \n\nEducate yourself. This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with your ignorance.",
"Republicans are absolutely in the wrong. But Democrats aren't doing much to solve institutional racism. Kamala oversaw some dog shit in California. Biden passed some dog shit while a Senator. We haven't even had a president yet that wasn't alive during segregation. \n\nI absolutely believe the north and south should've stayed separated. And I used to think that would be the north would be so much further along because of that. And while I think the north would be somewhat further along, neoliberals aren't that far off from conservatives. I mean, what was it, last year Nancy was saying, \"we need a strong Republican party?\"",
"Of all the movies predicting the future, it really sucks Idiocracy was the most prescient",
"Because yall act high and mighty while consistently dodging these issues and defending endless murders. \n\nNot a single person was killed by the Jan 6th protestors and there was absolute zero chance of overturning everything. It was a senseless outburst of rage, but let's not pretend it was anything close to an actual effective insurrection. \n\nYall still winge on about the one girl killed in Charlottesville but call over 7 people killed after the kyle Rittenhouse trial... Just an accident involving an SUV. Start actually criticizing senseless murders on your side and we might not have to \"deflect\" by bringing up the tonnes of far worst events you keep defending.\n\nAnd no, we don't just bring it up in those situations. We tried bringing it up the whole time but yall insist on proping up books like \"in defense of looting\" as a response.",
"I know exactly two things about you, you voted for Bush over Gore and that you don't think Republicans, encouraged by a Republican president, invading the Capitol to try to end our democracy was a serious issue.",
"You probably shouldn't have voted for Bush, it was obvious at the time to children.",
"That isn't a unique question. And asking it shows you haven't looked into the reasons as to why Lincoln did what he did, nor the event itself.\n\n\nThis is the equivalent of asking \"why didn't we just gas all the nazis after ww2?\"",
"Yes, I know. That’s why I just made the previous comment.",
"You can clearly see officers shooting peeper pellets at the crowd. These assholes turned up with gas masks anyway.",
"So which other Republicans have you voted for? Did you vote for Trump? You might still be a child.",
"Because these officers received proper training? Its clear from events that use of guns wasn't really needed.",
">You mean why the union, that was trying to unite the nation, pardoned the south who surrendered on the condition of parole after one of the most brutal and bloody civil wars in history?\n\nWhat would life be like if we hadn't, that's what I mean.\n\nIf we had punished those with slaves and who fought for the right to own slaves rather than simply let them go home and tell their children that they fought for states rights, if we didn't let them erect statues of traitors to the united states on public land, if we discouraged the flying of traitorous flags, most importantly, if we educated the children of those traitors by not allowing them to be educated by the traitors.\n\nPerhaps we might not have had a league of traitors attack the capitol building on Jan 6th and fly those traitorous flags.\n\nPerhaps we might not have an entire political party gerrymandering and lying their way to political power so they can continue to disenfranchise minorities.\n\nFood for thought.",
"@ 40:36 or so... THAT was the moment they were supposed to hold the fucking line. Put those paintballs right in the fucking chests of the bastards. But no. Some bullshit held their hand... some similarity in skin and girth, some grace that would not have been afforded people of any other color. \n\n\nYou should have choked out the white southern racist ideology back in the 19th century. Should have supported the emancipation proclamation and forced equality. Instead, white America pussied out, preferring its fairytales to the reality of hard work. And look what its created. What a fucking mess.",
"I realize that you can lead the stupid to knowledge but can’t make them think. But sometimes I feel it necessary that someone voice a dissenting opinion so maybe someone else that sees it might start to think differently…",
"Still waiting for the hordes of ‘Antifa dressed as Trump supporters’ who *actually* conducted the insurrection to be exposed! Amazing they were able to take the time off from “literally burning down cities” to do such an in depth cosplay! \n\n“Our side doesn’t do that!” LOL!",
"They wouldn't have made it anywhere near as far if capitol police had the resources and authority they should have that day.",
"It was wrong to say that regular old kids weren't smart enough to notice that Bush and Republicans sucked. Dole, H.W., and Reagan were all awful, Reagan is the classic example of Republicans voting for terrible presidents.",
"Died of a heart condition the next day. You didn't see the midnight corrections did you?",
">Sorry, oh wise one. I must be on my way to play with the other non-intelligent children. For I am but a child. Ahahahaha\n\nOkay, just, please, don't vote for any Republicans, they're dangerous and you shouldn't play with fire/the ending of democracy. Have fun!",
">That isn't a unique question. And asking it shows you haven't looked into the reasons as to why Lincoln did what he did, nor the event itself.\n\n>This is the equivalent of asking \"why didn't we just gas all the nazis after ww2?\"\n\nMore like asking \"what would life be like if we had gassed all the Nazis after world war 2?\"\n\n**Not** \"why didn't we\"\n\nI know why we didn't, I am asking what would life be like if we *had*. \n\nTotally different.\n\nBecause there is no way of knowing exactly what things might be like it is simply food for thought.\n\nI personally think we'd be further along in terms of social progression.",
"My friend, you’re falling for right wing propaganda designed to minimize Jan 6 and targeted specifically at moderates. The insurrection was scary enough, but they wouldn’t have been there at all without a dedicated right wing propaganda campaign that started months in advance trying to preemptively delegitimize any election results where Trump didn’t win. (In fact, you could argue they started down this path as early as 2016 with the “3M illegal votes is the only reason Trump didnt also win the popular vote” nonsense.) Remember that a *majority of elected Republicans in congress* followed this attempted coup by voting against certifying the election. And various officials across several swing states were pressured directly by Trump and his closest allies to overturn their states’ votes through various means. Fast forward to a year later and the GOP is trying to stack positions all over the country with Trump sycophants who will use all their *legal* powers to hand elections to Republicans regardless of the popular will. I’m actually not as worried about the violent lunatics. I’m worried about the non-violent officials who will simply subvert democracy—a well organized and ruthless effort that may actually succeed in destroying American democracy, all without a drop of blood, but no less of a threat to our freedoms.",
"And when the national guard cannot act without orders from those who stand to benefit from the unrest.",
"They did retreat some of them got tear-gassed themselves but some were fine with masks but they didn’t let them in they broke the window or something on the doors. They forced their way in and then were pushed back to the entryway.",
"I can't explain users who go around downvoting people who aren't breaking any rules.",
"I didn't say that.\n\nI'm willing to say that the average elected Democrat is better than the average elected Republican, though. It doesn't help that Republicans are presently trying to end the democracy.",
"“Storming the bastille” *TOTALLY* wasn’t an attempt at overturning anything. Lol it’s like “y’all” want brownie points for sucking at insurrection.",
">gun violence\n\n>References an event where none of the rioters shot anyone.",
"Funny how we both say the same thing but the reception is different",
"Lol, as if that would even remotely work. It's all televised so even if they somehow manage to force a vote in the opposite direction, the next day there would just be a reversal of anything voted for under duress. This isn't how reality works. It's a fantasy... Maybe held by a few of those that went in there, but most of them just wanted to show their outrage. The idea that this was an insurrection is just laughable.",
"Enjoy your shithole of a country, it will only get worse.",
"Lol, you start by saying you don't care about reality and what factual statements were corrected... And I'm supposed to take you seriously? Your claim is that some officers feelings were hurt so bad that they killed themselves... And you use that to prop up a false equivalency eith two cops killed in cold blood while waiting in ther SUV! Get out of here.",
">I don’t care about the truth, the narrative is more important.\n\nWell at-least you are upfront about it. Suicides committed weeks later clearly isn’t murder, but I’m sure your truth doesn’t care about that fact either.",
"Not very effectively.",
"Lol I’m sure they were just trying to “HANG (out with) MIKE PENCE!” \n\nThanks for the Christmas laugh dude! I love when people intentionally ignoring reality tell me how reality works!",
"Hold up, you forgot this:\n\n>L",
"I see, so you seem to believe that the rioters gave those cops the touch of death which took several weeks to activate… an interesting theory.",
"You could try to make the case that it was an “indirect” consequence, but it certainly isn’t a direct consequence of the riot. An example of rioters directly being responsible for officer deaths can be seen during the BLM rioters where officers were being targeted and fired upon. Do you see how different direct vs indirect consequences are now?",
"And you’re John Hammond dude. \n\nEnemies of your own making. 🤷🏻♂️",
"Bots arguing with bots",
"Assuming that they did get PTSD from the event and that it contributed to them committing suicide that still doesn’t mean they were murdered. How far are you going to reach before you accept that the rioters didn’t kill anyone?",
"Your gaslighting no workie here.",
"That could work on the one percent willing to learn and change. For that potential benefit, I prefer not enabling and appeasing the 99% who aren't.",
"No dude. You’re the creator of your own enemy. Without your input, these monsters fail to exist. \n\nBut…. (like Hammond), you fail to see you’re the root cause. \n\nIt’s not someone else’s fault. It never was.\n\nGet it now?",
"As a non American I think it's absolutely fucking hilarious when an American cries about people getting involved in their politics. Especially when they consider their president the \"leader of the free world\" and count themselves as \"the greatest country in the world\" but don't speak about their politics ha\n\nAlso, I just love the sheer irony of\n\n>While you might be well intentioned, a big part of why we are in this mess is malicious foreign actors\n\nSaid every country that America has brought \"democracy\" to.",
"Bullet in the temple direct? Burning alive in a fire direct?",
"It’s wild. Especially since I was complimenting a comment that got a decent number of upvotes. Oh well I thought what you said was hilarious. Keep it up.",
"Im not claiming you said they didn't happen. Just making a comparison with actual direct death.",
"National guard is deployed by the governor of the state.",
">I personally think we'd be further along in terms of social progression.\n\nYes yes.. display your complete lack of knowledge of the time. Fuel your bigoted notion that the south is nothing but racists.",
"Activation of DoD assets for legal deployment needs to be approved by Congress. How funds and troops are used for help in an emergency can violate the constitution. It’s not scary it’s part of the checks and balances. Otherwise Trump could just direct the National Guard into the Capitol to stop the steal with no rioters needed.",
"We fucking do condemn violence all the time, unequivocally. And unlike you, we also try to address the root cause of it—systemic racism. Which you would know if your side was actually interested in fixing the problem instead of just using “riots” as a wedge issue. You won’t even *acknowledge* the systemic, ongoing violence Americans experience every day at the hands of an oppressive system that has existed for decades, if not since the country’s foundation. Remember Colin Kaepernick? He tried to peacefully protest, and then y’all said things like “shut up and play” or “dont disrespect the troops” or “all lives matter” instead of actually dealing with the problem. And the message you conveyed was: peaceful protest doesn’t work. So is it any wonder that violence broke out? Again, riots have always been wrong and always will be wrong, but when you leave someone no other options, you need to take responsibility for the part you played and change your behavior for the future. But you don’t. Even now, whenever we try to have a conversation about systemic racism, we’re met with incoherent shrieks of “CRT” and we don’t get anywhere. So if you aren’t going to even try to work with us to prevent these riots, don’t you dare talk about “not doing enough to condemn violence.”\n\nMeanwhile, whenever someone brings up the January 6 coup, the first thing you say is “well what about the riots?” followed almost immediately by “they weren’t even a threat.” The Jan 6 insurrection was the inevitable conclusion—intentional or not—of a months long propaganda campaign to delegitimize our election. The entire right wing media bubble and a majority of elected congressional republicans drove these lies with the explicit intent of subverting democracy. The violent lunatics who stormed the capitol were only the footsoldiers; you and I know *exactly* who is responsible but again, rather than take responsibility for your side’s rapid descent into fascism, you’d rather deflect by first trying to move the conversation to a disingenuous line about “BLM riots” followed by completely ignoring what actually caused January 6th. All so you can yell about how “democrats are stuck in the past” and get back to ignoring systemic racism and looking the other way while state GOP officials remove the few barriers that prevented them from overturning the votes of key swing states. You’re forgetting that even the people who didn’t partake in the violence of Jan 6 but showed up for the rally were still actively advocating for the (non-violent) overthrow of the duly elected government of the United States. And a majority of your elected congressmembers went along with them.\n\nTL;DR: the riots conservatives like to screech about are indefensible, but they’re your own damn fault for burying your heads in the sand for the past several generations about systemic racism. Also, you’re too wrapped around daddy Trump’s little finger to hold your own traitorous party accountable for subverting democracy.",
"Can I ask what exactly was the motivation of those who stormed the capitol on Jan 6? And perhaps more importantly, what was the motivation of the media pundits and political leaders who lied to them about election fraud for months leading up to the election?",
"You’d have to ask someone who participated. I could only postulate on possible motives. \n\n(But I suspect the root cause was a feeling of alienation that manifested with a sense of victimhood. Echo chambers are never a positive.\n\nThis was further exacerbated by a doubling down by those same forces causing the initial alienation).",
"Lots if nice stereotypes in there, good to see what you think the other side looks like. \n\nWe think that impacts of red lining and Jim Crow still have some effects at this point but mostly it's just culture. We want to adresse the issues, but the culture you encourage tells these people that violence and victimhood is the only way. Why strive to be better when the odds are stacked against you and it's open hunting season on black folk. There is no chance in hell blacks will succeed with that mentality and the sooner it changes, the sooner their situation can get better. Right now, the current system, only pits races against each other and creates a race for victimhood... We want equality under the law and no excuses for looting. It's not complicated. All that systemic oppression you describe... It's funny, it all happened under democrats. They have always been the party of slavery and they keep you all blind to it by vilifying the other side and pushing narratives that pull at your heartstrings and exploit your emotions. You are so spun up into their nonesense that you think we don't care about people because our solutions don't fit with your rose colored view of the world. If you truly cared about addressing the root causes, you would not consistently defend rapists, killers and thugs as if they were sweet innocent saints. You see black people as having no agency... Incapable of not committing crimes as a result of their \"oppression\". We think that they can better their lives by actually persuing success and avoiding crimes which they commit waaaaaay above their proportional representation. Our message is one of personal responsibility. Your's is one of un-changing mass oppression which ensures they can't succeed unless they burn everything down. The only discriminatory policies at this point, overtly favor blacks, so it's culture which now holds them back the most. If shit don't change for DECADES of voting for the same crap failed policies, maybe it's time for some tough love and self reflection.",
"Liar",
"Your wrong",
"No I’m not. A majority of Americans chose Biden as their next president. These people tried to take that away from us.",
">Yes yes.. display your complete lack of knowledge of the time. Fuel your bigoted notion that the south is nothing but racists.\n\nAll southerners are Confederates from the 1860s?\n\nI think a majority of Confederates in the 1860s were racist, mostly due to propaganda, but racist nonetheless.",
"Sure, let's take this step by step.\n\n> a sudden, \n\nThe march started that day, culminating on the attack on the capitol building.\n\n> violent, \n\nArmed leaders, dude with zip ties, gallows constructed for Pence (sure, argue this as symbolic), police officers attacked, breaking vulnerable windows, \"kill them\", etc.\n\n> and illegal \n\nObstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder; unlawful entry on restricted buildings or grounds; violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees; etc.\n\n> seizure of power from a government\n\n\"Stop the steal\": overturn the democratic process we've all agreed upon to reinstate Donald Trump as president, seizing it from the senators and vice president so they do not transition it to the new administration. \n\nYou can reduce this to absurdity all you want, but it only makes you look foolish.",
"Lincoln died before he could do any \"healing\". We should have hanged the Southern leaders by the neck in front of their soldiers. We should have given former slaves the land we promised them and, oh yeah, we should have ended slavery. But instead we moved the slaves to the prisons, we left the leaders alive, they rewrote the history and now we're here. The US should have been unrelenting with the Southern leadership, paid back the debt we owed to the enslaved, and never fucking allow the daughters of the confederacy to rewrite Southern history. \n\nSource: Southern historian.",
"Alright Buttlicker, I’m willing to read more but I won’t be taking your word as a southern historian. Gimme some links.",
"I'm downvoting you because you're a dumbass.",
"That’s one of the many problems with Washington DC. Doesn’t have a governor, so command of NG resides solely with the President / Secretary of Defense / Secretary of the Army. \n\nA little delay here, some extra approvals there, red tape to seal it with a bow, and the insurrection is over before any boots are laced up. \n\nThe Trump admin already showed willingness (eagerness?) to abuse and politicize use of National Guard forces during the George Floyd protests.",
"Spend 5 minutes researching the Hierarchy of Disagreement. It will help you I swear.",
"I’m gay. Am I not “queer” enough for you? All my life I’ve been told people hate me. Not by folks who ACTUALLY hate me. But by people like you who want me to join arms in camaraderie. \n\nIt doesn’t work. You’re the one who’s living miserable. Your “enemies” are imaginations. You’ve been lied to. The world isn’t horrible.",
"Nah…. Read my other comment to you. \n\nGrowing up you’re told yeah world is a horrible place. Eventually you learnt that’s a lie. \n\nI wish you all the best.",
"you should investigate that a little further",
"You mean like attacking them in a tunnel?",
"What are they going to do attack the capital building and kill police officers? Oh wait.",
"well you know except the one that died of 'natural causes' after being beaten nearly to death the day before.",
"You mean these killings? By guys trying ot make it look like left wing killings cause apparently killing cops and blaming it on the left is 'morally upright' \n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\\_boogaloo\\_killings",
"You mean these officers? Sorry you right wing conspiracy is just that. \nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\\_boogaloo\\_killings",
"Only cause you don't care about facts.",
"You really have zero empathy or understanding from others huh? I hope you find yourself with untreated mental illness and everyone tells you that it's just you being week. You deserve to walk in others shoes for awhile.",
"It’s not a question about empathy it’s about culpability. Saying that the rioters directly murdered those officers is BS regardless of how you feel. Facts > Feelings."
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"Shytina Bouquet is my new pseudonym",
"AKA Thieving robbing gypo thick cunt",
"Dafuq?",
"This is from Snatch (2000) audition tapes",
"Hehehe",
"Simply a normal British person cool"
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"Merry Christmas!",
"Filmed in vertical... /facepalm",
"Absolute bad training for dogs. When adopted, they will destroy gifts, get into trash, tear open bags, suitcases, duffel bags, etc. Seen this with my family and friends dogs.",
"Did they coat the boxes with fat or something? Seemed like they were more interested in the boxes than the toys.",
"They downvote you but you're right.",
"My great dane loves boxes more than anything else.",
"Because, Mr. Grinch, this is an ad for donating to an animal welfare organisation, and people generally find anthropomorphizing animals cute, and will therefore be more likely to share the video and donate.",
"gifts AND presents?!?!?!"
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"Wow!",
"Impressive!!",
"I love how super specific you were with your materials, Giuseppe thin crust pizza box made me laugh.",
"Why'd y'spill yer beans?"
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"Hooray! Now we clench our buttholes for 29 days as it approaches L2\n\nEdit: corrected the timeline",
"I know a guy who worked on that and he is preoccupied at the moment. It's not over yet. They are right now doing calculations to get this thing set up right and they only have one chance to get it right.",
"damn they really should have done those calculations before firing the beast into space... SMH",
"They know what they’re doing.",
"We'll see about that.\n\nedit: lol the downvotes when my comment above was clearly a joke. reddit moment.",
"\"Hey, is this 3 here in inches or cm?\"",
"Era of Exploration? I would assume you are Discovering, not exploring. Meh, silly english language with everything having 30 different meanings.",
"1:22 for the actual launch",
"Yeah, English isn't perfect. I guess 'explore' is the act of searching out/investigating, and 'discover' is observing/making known. I'd argue that both could be used.",
"I can't tell if you're joking!",
"[ **Jump to 01:22 @** James Webb Space Telescope Launch — Official NASA Broadcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nT7JGZMbtM&t=0h1m22s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: NASA, Video Length: [02:17:30])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nT7JGZMbtM&t=0h1m17s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)",
"Yeah, 2022 is the year we definitely need a new perspective of our place in the cosmos",
"What a shame that was",
"Finally someone with some sense",
"Era of looking at things",
"Question to ask at a party: \"What was the largest optical space telescope before James Webb?\" \n\n(Hint: It was not the Hubble)",
"Have some humility. These guys are furthering our understanding of the fucking universe and you're sitting on reddit second guessing them.",
"great video thank you for sharing",
"This thing took so long to get to the launch, I’m so glad everything went smoothly. Imagine if the vehicle was lost during liftoff. How long do you think it would be before they were ready to launch a new one?",
"Top men.\n\nTop. Men.",
"Well what’s the answer? I told everyone at the party but I can’t give the answer yet",
"We will see. Still 300+ opportunities for it to be a 10bil $ flying brick.",
"I had to Google but I think it's the [Herschel](https://phys.org/news/2015-01-biggest-telescopes-world-space.html)",
"People don't know how much this is going to change the world in our understanding of the universe, we are going to see some shit that is going to blow our minds.",
"Don't get too excited quite yet. The launch was just the first step of many that have to go perfectly",
"[Herschel](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Herschel) \nDiameter: 3.5 m (11 ft) \nCollecting area: 9.6 m2 (103 sq ft) \n\nIt was also located in L2 point where JWST is now going.",
"The problem is they were using an old Speak & Spell to do the calculations and the younger people on the team couldn't really understand what it was saying.",
"Assuming it makes it to L2 and is calibrated successfully, it will be impossible NOT to learn something new. Even if the new areas we can see somehow have \"nothing\" in them, that knowledge itself would be a massive discovery.",
"I know you’re joking but no space agency uses imperial units (anymore, for those pedantic enough to not realise I mean the present day), they all use metric.",
"Unfortunately launching was the easy part. There will be no in orbit fix of the James Webb if something goes wrong.",
"Yes. [Not after what happened last time.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter)\n\nWell, okay, NASA was already using metric there, but it's still silly the main contractor was on imperial.",
"**[Mars Climate Orbiter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter)** \n \n >The Mars Climate Orbiter (formerly the Mars Surveyor '98 Orbiter) was a 638-kilogram (1,407 lb) robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998 to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes and to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor '98 program for Mars Polar Lander. However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was permanently lost as it went into orbital insertion. The spacecraft encountered Mars on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, and it was either destroyed in the atmosphere or escaped the planet's vicinity and entered an orbit around the Sun.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"I’m obviously not referring to projects launched over 20 years ago…",
"Hey, who invited Pooper to the party?",
"That article in fact actually states they use metric, I don’t see what your point is here? You just downvoted me for being right?? Then spread misinformation? Fuck off",
"Omg seriously how dare anyone attempt to waste 82 seconds on a video about one of the most significant events of our time.",
"It states NASA uses metric, but they still work with external contractors so the same thing could still happen in theory",
"I'm REALLY looking forward to the new data it gathers, if everything goes smoothly. I'm so glad I was born when I was so I can witness these steps into the outer cosmos.",
"It’s not 82 seconds in though, its an hour and 22 minutes in",
"Lmao my bad.\n\nWell technically there are atleast 82 seconds in there.",
"And I said no **space agency** uses imperial. An external engineering contractor is **not** a space agency.",
"I thought this was going to be the awesome \"trailer\" that NASA made for the James Webb telescope mission. Here it is for those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69uT90tEJdE",
"Isn’t the next sphincter-pucker moment in 7 days when they start unfolding it?",
"Lol seriously, though, last night before I went to bed I checked the status (a few hours before projected launch) and one article said they have uploaded the flight plan to the computer. I'm like uh wait, you only did that right before launch? \"Hey....where are we going again?\" haha I'm sure there are good reasons but pretty funny.",
"At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I'd like to ask a question. They say this telescope can look back in time because of the way light travels. How do they know which way is \"back\", and if they can determine that couldn't they theoretically point it in the other direction to see into the future?",
"At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I'd like to ask a question. They say this telescope can look back in time because of the way light travels. How do they know which way is \"back\", and if they can determine that couldn't they theoretically point it in the other direction to see into the future?",
"if aliens ever hear 4 poppyseeds are a barleycorn they will be like \"nah mate i don't think they ready for intergalactic relations\"",
"Lol you got me there",
"\"Don't worry we've got like, a week, we'll do it later come join the party\"",
"The past is everywhere in every direction. The big bang move outward in all directions. See \"Cosmic Background Radiation\"",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_7AJseYYc watch this!",
"Oh, absolutely. The launch and solar array deployment were just the start of the madness...",
"Come on now, why be a pessimist after the year(s) we've just had?",
"wtf 2 hours?\n\nthat's gonna be a no from me, dawg",
"It's not a promise. There are risks and they've been clear about them. If the mission fails they didn't break a promise.",
"Who’s James Webb and who owns this telescope? The US or some other country?",
"not a dumb question! \n\n\nany light source is technically from the past, so to speak. it takes time for light from the sun to get here. so hypothetically, if the sun suddenly 'shut off' we wouldn't know for about...8 and a half minutes.",
"Who is James web\nhttps://jwst.nasa.gov/content/about/faqs/whoIsJamesWebb.html\n\nWho owns James Webb telescope\nhttps://www.jwst.nasa.gov/",
"James Webb was the NASA administrator that oversaw the manned Mercury and Gemini programs. He was also around for Apollo 1. The telescope was primarily funded by NASA, and built by Northrop Grumman as a primary contractor, and Ball Aerospace as a secondary. It was also supported by the European Space Agency (the rocket that JWST flew on was built by them), and the Canadian Space Agency.",
"How is every moment it left Earth not tightening your butthole?",
"It's not being a pessimist. There are over 300 single point failures on the craft. I'm hoping for the best, but you have to keep your expectations in check.",
"You're overreading it, OP is being sarcastic.",
"You can fast forward to T-0",
"Mate we arent even ready for international relationships",
"A realist and a pessimist are the same thing. I prefer being slightly on the side of naive optimist!",
"One guy, Kevin Hainline that worked on this telescope, was behind Super Mario Frustration\n\n[Super Mario Frustration](https://youtu.be/in6RZzdGki8)",
"Merry Christmas, Space, have a telescope. No, no, it's a gift for you, we swear, we just want to use it from time to time.",
"Traveling (or in this case peering) into the unknown is the exploration, whatever new stuff we find is a dicovery. So it's definitely exploration with an almost certain chance of discovery.",
"I’m very good at being forgetful.",
"Scott Manley! My favorite KSP youtuber back in the day lol",
"This feels like arguing whether Uber drivers count as employees or something. You're talking past each other.\n\nThe contractors are not a space agency, but they're doing work for a space agency. They should all be using metric. Saying \"all space agencies use metric\" is a different statement than saying \"all people working on government projects that go to space are using metric.\"\n\nThe Mars Climate Orbiter problem wasn't because a space agency failed to use metric, which is why metric/imperial might still be a concern.",
"In regards to the JWST it doesn’t matter anyway because NASA had nothing to do with it. The US just needs to catch up and start using metric like the rest of the world.",
"It's probably a dumb question, so I apologize in advance. But I am really struggling to understand, how will the telescope travel all this distance without ever hitting a single spec of dust along the way? I'm asking because the force of impact even for a grain of sand at velocities with which this thing travels will be catastrophic for both the solar sails and the telescope itself.",
"I've had mine clenched for 2 years, I'll probably need medical assistance to unclench.",
"I think it is a joint operation between the USA (NASA) and the European Union (ESA)",
"Why have I never heard of the Herschel before? Apparently it isn't running anymore though. It had a limited amount of coolant and stopped working when it ran out. I wonder if the James Webb has that same problem.",
"The telescope may fail. However, if it works it will absolutely give us new information. \n\nTons of it!",
"Great question! About halfway through the interview in this video, they talk about that exact question: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8fKd0IVOs",
"7-12 days out is the unfolding. So 5 days of sphincter puckering.",
"Every way is back. Because we're just looking at really old light that has traveled a long time to reach us. Like how when you look at the sun you're actually seeing it as it was like 5 minutes ago or whatever.",
"Can we get a little bit excited though?",
"I thought it was amazing to see the \"last view\" of the telescope just after separation from the last stage, while still ironic how low the quality of the pics at [https://youtu.be/IHND-5TqS6g?t=19](https://youtu.be/IHND-5TqS6g?t=1993)85 are.",
"Iirc doesn't it take 29 days to approach L2?",
"As did yours.",
"Webb is designed for a 10 year operational life right now, with Hope's that in that decade we'll figure out how to refurbish it.",
"Yes.\n\nThe launch could have gone one of two ways. And it went well.\n\nNow it's a question of how well it's deployment goes and if it will perform properly",
"Toxic optimism is not healthy either",
"Lol wat",
"I think of it like a horse race. The horse we bet on just took the lead. Good “YES!” Moment but we have not won yet.",
"It was 50/50 for sure. \n\nEither it was going to make it or it wasn't.",
"Anyone got a cliffs notes of how it works? Even the most exciting thing in astronomy since hubble is made boring by astronomers.",
"Probably not as long as you think, all the legwork has been done it would only be reproducing the same parts and assembling them.",
"The Hubble deep field picture is probably one of the greatest pictures of humanity. \n\n\nAnd to think people thought nothing of interest was going to develop when it was purposed to spend time doing a long exposure of one of the darkest patches of the sky. \n\n\nIt brought back a picture of 3000 galaxies, each containing billions of stars.\n\nI can't wait to see what Webb will bring.",
"My favorite part is [1:50:00](https://youtu.be/7nT7JGZMbtM?t=6603) where a camera on the second rocket stage films separation of the telescope from the rocket and you can even see the solar array unfolding, the first of a lot of folds that will have to happen for the telescope to work.",
"Changes in weather, time of launch etc. all contribute to those flight plans. You don't really know them fully untill right before launch",
"And first images will be in 6 months! Full timeline is here: https://planet4589.org/space/misc/webb/time.html",
"Space is big. Bigger than you can imagine.\n\nAs a thought expiriment, think of an atom. It has a nucleus made of protons and neutrons surrounded by electons which orbit in an electron cloud. But 99% of an atom is empty space. 99% of everything you see and interact with is empty space. Our perception of space is an illusion. Stuff is the exception.",
"What still needs to happen:\n\n* [flying to Lagrange Point 2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point) and staying there\n\n* Cooling the thing down to 40 Kelvin\n\n* Everything unfolding\n\n* Calibration\n\nIt will take 6 month for the first image to become public: https://planet4589.org/space/misc/webb/time.html",
"I'm no expert, but I think they are just accepting a small risk. \n\nSpace is mostly.... well, space . Those specks are rare, and get more rare the further you get from Earth's gravity well. \n\nJust taking a chance the unlikely event of being hit by one doesn't happen.",
"It's not in which direction to look for the past, it's how far away you are looking. When we say something is 200 light years away that means literally that the light from that object took 200 years to get to us.",
"I'm looking forward to galaxies forming, protoplentary disks, exoplanets, Kuiper belt objects,... But what I'm most looking forward to is seeing something we don't know about yet.",
"These comments read like excerpts from The Martian",
"I can recommend this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_7AJseYYc\n\nShort version:\n\n* The further a distance you look, the longer the light took to get here and therefore the old whatever you looking at is. If you are looking at something 200 lightyears away, the light took 200 years to get to you and you are seeing that object 200 years ago.\n* The Hubble telescope (which is the one who took all the pretty pictures of galaxies and nebulae you have seen) was limited in how far it could see, because the further something is away, the longer the wavelength of the light. This is because the expansion of the universe causes a [Redshift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift) (the Doppler effect is the same for sound: A firetruck siren sounds different moving towards you than away from you.)\n* Therefore the successor of Hubble (Webb) has to look in the Infrared to see very far. But everything that is not at absolute zero gives off infrared radiation from heart. So the telescope has to be pretty cold. Therefore the telescope needs a shield do shield it from the sun. And it is at a special point ([Lagrange point L2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point)) where the sun and the Earth are in the same direction, so that radiation from the Earth is shielded at the same time.\n* The primary mirror of Webb (which concentres all the collected light in one point) is 6 times as large as Hubble, meaning it will collect 6 times as much light and can see fainter objects. \n* To fit in the rocket fairing which protects it during the launch, everything is tightly folded up. Including the sun shield and the mirror, which consists of 18 hexagonal segments that can each be calibrated.",
"The new moon rockets SLS and Starship will launch next year, so exploration is on the table again.",
"Starship next year?\n\nIs that like Solar roadways in 3 years... or solar roofs in 1 year, or electric semi-trucks in 2 years, or hyperloop in 2 years, or rocket passenger sub orbital flights in 4 years, or water from air with no electricity used in 1 year, or hundreds of tests from a small drop of blood in 1 year, or using vacuum to dry clothing, or ... or... or...\n\nWe get constantly over promised and under delivered. I assume that if a company is promising a product or service in the future (meaning still in development) rather than announcing that it's for sale immediately then I ignore it.",
"Can someone explain L2 to me. Is this going to orbit point L2 or sit inside it?",
"Corrected my comment",
"I feel like they must have secretly built a second one just in case, like in Contact.",
"He's also from Tall Ho, which is now known as Stem and part of Oxford. A small ass town in the middle of nowhere in N.C. It's where I mostly grew up as a kid.",
"Instructions unclear, added cosmic horrors invasion to my 2022 bingo card",
"Why?",
"FUCK i forgot to untie the zipties!",
"Spoiler alert, there’s no life outside of Earth lol but seriously though, what if they don’t find anything new after 10+ years…",
"Unbelievable images as the JW detrached. So proud of this international effort! Really goes to show the power we have as humans if we work together and collaborate. What a Christmas present.",
"It is being parked at L2, around 1.2 million miles from earth. For reference the moon is only 238,900 miles away from earth.",
"Makes a lot of sense now.",
"Or more of the same 🤔",
"I'd be fine with that. Would be an interesting way to go",
"Exactly what I was looking for thanks very much.",
"One of the definitions of \"explore\" is\n\n> inquire into or discuss (a subject) in detail.\n\nBut yes, English is pretty damned stupid in many ways :)",
"Each L spot is one of the spots where the pull of the earth and the sun cancel out so if you get there you don't go anywhere. The telescope will orbit it. Unfortunately due to solar wind fluctuations there's no perfect orbit. Thats why the life of the telescope is only 10 years because that's how much fuel they could take to do yearly burns to fix the orbit fluctuations.",
"It's not looking for life (there is no scientific reason to believe that life is unique to Earth in the entire universe), it's looking for signs of the earliest formed galaxies in the universe so that we get a better understanding of that period of the universes history and help inform our understanding of everything that happened since then.\n\nAs for it finding something new... It's ~100 times more powerful than the Hubble Telescope due to a much larger mirror surface area for collecting light and it sees in infrared which itself lets it see much further distances than Hubble due to how light shifts over distance (into the infrared zone).\n\nSeeing new details and getting a better understanding of the history of the universe is practically a certainty if the rest of the deployment goes well.",
"You can follow the entire sequence of deployments here (including the current status of the telescope):\n\nhttps://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html\n\nThe sunshield will begin deploying in 3 days as it passes beyond the Moon and will take about 5 days in total. After that the mirrors have to deploy. Which will take another week. And the telescope has to make a couple of course correction burns followed by the final insertion burn. A failure at any one of these will render it useless.",
"Why not sit in that sweet spot. An orbit outside of it would subject the craft uneven forces.",
"NASA believes that they are gonna deliver and put a lot of money on that. They got more information and experience than both of us. When SpaceX started, many people thought they wouldn't land the first stage of their orbital rocket. Now they have flown the same stage 11 times.\n\nStarship has completed a landing test from 30km up. Two complete Starships are built and had test fires and are ready for test flights when the FTC will release the flight readiness reviews on New Years.\n\nIt's easy to say everything Musk wants to do will never happen, because he is often extremly overly optimistic, but in this case the hardware and business case and billions in customer contracts are already there.\n\nSo lets just wait till February and we will see which of us is right...",
"RemindMe! 60 days",
"So if we already had a telescope there before what makes this one special?",
"It’s not looking for life? I disagree, the only thing keeping NASA funded and the interest of the public is the hope of finding life and/or populating another planet. Billions and billions of dollars isn’t going into these programs to entertain these scientists interest of how it all started. Like any investment, at some point they are going to need to see a return.\n\nThere is also no scientific facts that there is life outside of earth.",
"imagine if china shot it",
"Right, only of those 300+ need to go wrong, and it's game over. Doesn't matter which one is it, any of the failure points makes the spacecraft a total loss.",
"That was the martian. He jerry rigged an old rover to allow him to comment on reddit from space. He's been let down too many times to get his hopes up just yet, but his spirits are high.",
"He's earned a full ration tonight",
"I've never got this joke.",
"Or, maybe you did. Let's ask Mr. Shrodinger.",
"Perfectly timed to see alien ships and planets!",
"10 Billion it cost!",
"Technically, they both get it and don't get it.",
"Now when I think of extraterrestrial beings, instead of “cool way to go”, I find myself thinking “I hope they fix us” lol",
"This one's bigger (6.5m telescope vs 3.5m). The resolution will be nearly double which also means things further away/smaller can now be seen.",
"Dope",
"Populating another planet? The only planet we'll be walking on in the next couple of decades will be Mars, and that will only be a handful of people.",
"I never said it will happen and I don’t think any of it will happen.",
"Yes.",
"Sorry if this is an easy/dumb question, but how much better is JW expected to perform when compared to Hubble? (2x, 5x, 10x, more?)\n\nAlso, if you can also relate that kind of upgrade in simple layperson terms like “going from Hubble to JW is like going from the iPhone 3G right up the iPhone 13” or “A Model T to a Tesla S” etc….just helps me understand.",
"We will see the big bang (the light it created) which seems so insane to me",
"Would take way too much fuel to slow down.",
"Call me in six months if all 300 or so deployment steps go as planned...",
"I'm really excited to see the next Hubble Deep Field level photo. I have really high hopes.",
"considering how insanely popular public opinion was on the Hubble deep-field image, I'd say people know plenty how big the impact will be",
"You might enjoy The Three Body problem by Cixin Liu",
"nobody in science uses inches. \n\nthere used to be a pretty big incident back in the days because someone from US did some math the imperial system and the whole thing was a disaster",
"as a millennial add it the already long list of world ending stuff we already had or are in the to have list",
"this is why it's called single point of failure",
"\n>to have list\n\nThe twist is, boomers call it the todo list",
"Something else to read about: [redshift](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/What_is_red_shift)",
"A step into the future",
"What is it orbiting around. There is no gravity well right? So, how is it orbiting a point in space with no gravity well? They have to do another burn to insert it anyway right? I guess I have to do all the math to figure it out :(",
"There is a gravity well, you can visualize it here: \n \nhttps://solarsystem.nasa.gov/internal_resources/813 \n \nThe orbit is perpendicular to the photo on the z axis going back and forth with the two arrows pointing inward. \n \nBut yeah its a slightly unstable spot and will unfortunately only be useful for 10 years.",
"It's like comparing apples to oranges the telescopes will compliment eachother as they have different strengths. \n\nThat being said I heard john c mather in the recent world Science festival video say it's about 100x more powerful",
"Man you’re unbearable lol",
"So are you, replying to a thread almost a week old lol. Fuck off dweeb",
"You’re probably a cool guy you just need to tone it down 14 or 15 notches lol",
"I got unusually riled up in this thread because I thought I was in r/space and when the comments made me realise I wasn’t, I knew it was a lost cause. I’m not usually so aggro but I couldn’t be arsed to deal with the idiots",
"Fair enough my guy just remember that it’s the internet and 97% of people are dumb don’t take it too personally. It’s all good! Have a good new year!",
"You too brother",
"Happy to see its just not another \"dick\" going in to space"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBnshTvHmk | /r/videos/comments/ro9t4r/car_does_a_wheelie_on_a_dynamometer/ | [
"Hey, why take precautions with something you've spent tens of thousands of dollars on? /s",
"It's a hub dyno... There are no rear wheels.",
"Are you familiar with hub dynos? If you were, you'd know they don't need the same setup as rolling dynos.\n\nWhy do people make comments about stuff they don't know?",
"That is fucking awesome.",
"Looked to me like they chose not to use the [front-end floor anchor point](https://i.imgur.com/VNApRPs.png). \n\nAlso, \"Mainline’s hub dynos are fixed to the floor and require no strapping, except for one frontal strap to prevent wheelstanding in extreme horsepower applications.\" [Source](https://mainlinedyno.com.au/index.php/media1/news-articles/hub-dynos).",
"Looked to me like they chose not to use the [front-end floor anchor point](https://i.imgur.com/VNApRPs.png). \n\nAlso, \"Mainline’s hub dynos are fixed to the floor and require no strapping, except for one frontal strap to prevent wheelstanding in extreme horsepower applications.\" [Source](https://mainlinedyno.com.au/index.php/media1/news-articles/hub-dynos).",
"How much power does it take to do that?",
"Yea I mean you can't make a cool video of a car doing a wheelie if you use the front anchor.",
"Much",
"I feel like it should be secured?",
"That things probably well over 2 or 3000 HP",
"It's a power to weight thing along with torque.\n \nMotorcycles can do it with 40 hp\n \nA KTM 200 makes 37hp and weighs 219lbs + let's say 151 for the rider \n \nSo 37 hp for 370 lbs, and that would be easy to do a wheelie.\n \nNow there is a reason why you don't see a 370hp engine make 3700 pound cars do wheelies. But there will be loss of weight on the front wheels. This is mostly because the is the kinds of cars that have 370 horsepower and weigh 3700 pounds tend to be geared for higher speed.\n \n3700lbs is heavy for this kind of drag car, But if you want the cheapest possible car that you can get is it that can do wheelies, You can get a sand rail with a Volkswagen beetle engine in the back and good gearing. But you may have a problem hitting 80 miles an hour. (Also you would spend like 1500$ on it)\n \nTl;dr: horsepower doesn't matter, weight and torque does.",
"Yes. If you ever watch a proper dyno session the car is strapped down at all four corners.",
"No dyno results???",
"hah someone needs to adjust the anti-squat",
"I mean… in retrospect okay\n\nYou guys realize that the rear wheels were removed and its bolted straight to the dynamometer shaft, right?\n\nCars being strapped down is in case they can wiggle their way off of the rollers (with wheels still spinning) and cause a lot of damage/injury\n\nThis is a different kind of dyno that doesnt take up an entire shop bay when not in use, has no “road surface” for the wheels to lose contact with, and theyve probably never had a car with that much torque hooked up before.",
"Hey how powerful is your car?\n\nWheelie powerful!",
"And will still lose to a Tesla equipped with a baby seat in the back.",
"> horsepower doesn't matter, weight and torque does.\n\nYep, same with aircraft. You can have the biggest engines on something, but if you've got a ton of fuel, cargo, weapons, etc, you're still going nowhere. That being said, you can strap a pitiful engine to a light craft and haul an ass and a half.",
"This is a purpose built drag car, those Teslas don't come close.",
"While everything that you said is true, It is worth noting that very different physics are going on in both situations.\n \nWith an aircraft, Its speed relative to the ground is not as important than a car. \n \nWhat I have described is is the torque conversion from the engine to the wheels and how that's related to the weight of the car.\n \n With aircraft torque isn't measured The same way, And what's relevant is how much air you're displacing with the rotors/jets.\n \n It is worth noting in this entire line of comments, I rode dirt bikes but I wasn't doing it too much, I did some Drag Racing but I didn't do it so much, And my ex girlfriend and my father are both aircraft mechanics. \n \nIf people were kind of interested I could actually ask my dad more about the relative to the props and the torque Generated when I see him in a few hours.",
"It’s bolted to the dyno at the rear hubs. This type of dyno eliminates the variable of tire traction which is required when you start making silly power. If the front end wasn’t allowed to come up (exactly as it would at a track) those forces would be put into the driveline and not only skew the results and tuning but also possibly damage things. It’s also quite possible they’re gathering data via accelerometers and shock extension sensors on wheelies to reign that in. \n\nTL:DR It’s ok",
"For roller dynos, yes. That's not what this is. Obviously stil would have been a good idea. [This comment by /u/ganymede_boy describes it well. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ro9t4r/car_does_a_wheelie_on_a_dynamometer/hpx5eg4/)",
"> What I have described is is the torque conversion from the engine to the wheels and how that's related to the weight of the car.\n\nThat's literally what I described lol. The relation of thrust to weight, and how you can have a lot of thrust with a lot of weight and still overall produce a small amount of power.",
"Also why is he flying through gears he should be in 1:1 gear and doing a a single pull. This is definitely not a real pull.",
"Why did it produce flames?",
"Doesn’t seem like a huge deal but maybe a little cavalier. Feels like if anything can move it should prob be strapped down. \n\nIt’s hard to imagine what could go catastrophically wrong. Just makes me nervous.",
"With very poor weight balance, and not super heavy, probably 500hp on a drag strip.",
"Would depend on the position of the weight too right? A car with a big ole engine up front and a long wheel base will be harder to wheelie than a motorbike with the engine in the center and the rider high up center too.",
"I’ve personally run a car on one of these dynos, and have seen several others run. The front is always strapped down. The car isn’t going to go anywhere, as the drive wheels are removed, but they can slam down really hard from a wheelie. Even with straps, they still move more than you would expect.",
"No they're not gathering data on a dyno to combat wheelies. Nobody wants to wheelie on a dyno. That car should have been strapped down in the front. That's what they do with high horsepower cars on hub dynos, to literally prevent wheelies. Nobody tries to wheelie on a dyno.",
"I want to do a wheelie on a dyno.",
"badum tisss",
"Yes, My buddy runs a speed shop specifically around high horsepower Hondas. \n \n He was running 900 horsepower out of a civic body, And he needed about 200 pounds on the front end of the car to keep the weight down as Honda civics are front wheel drive and generally speaking you don't want wheelies nor can you get them Because once your wheels are high enough off the ground you lose your torque.\n \nYou are correct that motorcycles do have a very good center of gravity that is a little bit top heavy as the rider sits. This allows the rider to move his or her body weight to accommodate.\n \nWhen you start a race, You try to slide your ass back directly over the drive wheel of the motorcycle. And for anyone who's done a wheelie on a bicycle you will notice that you have to do the same thing.\n \nYou do this in a race because you want your weight to get traction on your rear wheel, but then you move yourself forward to keep the front end of your motorcycle down so you can steer.\n \n You will also notice on drag motorcycles, They will have a very long swing arm, that way most of the weight of the motorcycle is in the front allowing you to keep your front end down preventing you from popping a wheelie. \n \n Earlier I described a sand rail with low gearing can provide you with wheelies with low horsepower.\n \n Part of this is because much of your weight is either directly over or behind the rear axle of the buggy. Making your center of gravity Closer towards the back allowing the front end to pivot better",
"Drag cars can handle the twist and inertia for many runs. The Tesla is made in what is the equivalent of a Mexican factory with the quality assurance to match. Not to mention electric motors don't like pulling at high speeds were gas engines Don't have that problem.",
"Fair enough",
"High power applications run \"rich\", excess fuel for cooling, plus little exhaust tubing length and no catalyst or mufflers means hot, fuel rich exhaust reburns when it hits oxygen in the air outside the exhaust system.",
"This is a good display of where the car makes the most torque in it's power curve. Start of the pull torque starts climbing, creates enough to lift the car, peaks and then falls off. Normally don't get to see this as well because the car is moving forward or strapped down",
"Oooh! I didn't realize the exhaust was right there next to the engine!",
"Simulating a full pull. Boost ramps, fuel, timing and shift point tuning. It's a \"real\" pull, they just don't care about HP numbers.",
"Teslas don't run 6-7 second quarters.",
"Where does all the energy go in the dynamometer?\n\nWater cooled friction elements? The load element in that dyno must be quite the doohickey to eat up that much power.",
"Theyre simulating the start of a drag race rather then measuring power here.",
"I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess your car knowledge is mostly from memes.",
"Did Santa bring you a new troll account for xmas? I'm glad you're having fun playing with your new toy.",
"I’m lost on the physics of this. Doesn’t make sense to my brain. I always thought of wheelies as connected to how fast you are pushing the ground out from beneath you? So since the car is not flying from some as yet unknown physics property I have to assume that the flywheels under the rears are giving some resistance and cannot keep up with the acceleration? \nOther wise what forces would cause the front to lift?",
"A quick search seems to show them as air-cooled electromagnetic retarders.",
"Wheel stands are not what people go for in a drag race. If the car on the track can do that it would have wheelie bars and not do that.",
"That's probably gonna be a pretty expensive wheelie",
"The car is trying to rotate around the rear wheels.",
"This, its pushing against the inertia of the dyno mechanism (from being at rest > moving) and whatever imperfect friction/resistance it has.",
"As someone who knows nothing about this, is it at all possible for the car to cme off and basically drive straight through the wall? Like whatre the odds of disaster here?",
"I just watched a 45 second video of one that didn’t look too expensive",
"Oh for sure it’s over 2 Horsepower",
"So how is this possible, can someone explain this to me? I thought cars did wheelies because of acceleration and speed causing airflow to go underneath the car and lift it upwards. \n\n.\n\nSo how is it possible when the car is stationary? What is lifting the car up?",
"Hello again. ELI5 cause i cant do better. Dynos have inertia and energy dissipators. \nThey more or less always provide resistance, it wouldnt make sense to measure engines power if it didnt have to do any work. The car is exerting so much twisting force on the dyno that the dyno is twisting the car into a wheelie. \n\nSame concept when MX riders spin the back wheel or brake the back wheel in the air to adjust their landing angle.",
"Silly question but why does it sound irregular at the beginning?",
"Omg every one in here IT SHOULD BE STRAPPPED DOWN! …. It’s a hub dyno and I dare say the wheelie bar is on too to limit how far it rises. The blocks under front wheels will be to bring the wheelie bar even closer to ground not only restricting the height of the wheelie but also slowing more height rom the ground Incase the guy has to let out, or there is a failure, it won’t tank slap the ground without the suspension catching it first. That said … SICK clip👏",
"Welcome to the internet where people want to focus on everything you did wrong and make you feel awful for it",
"This is dope bro we are witnessing a finely tuned machine ready to RIP! Being used by a very skilled tuner or possibly even the owner himself given it’s a shakedown pass on the dyno. Respect to what’s being shown here.\nYou know a car is good for around 1000-1200 hp when you see the nose lift and sometimes twist in place depending on the set up. This bitch goes up and down perfectly on the way to around a 6 sec pass which would put this car in the vicinity of around 2-3k hp. If you know what your looking at it’s mind blowing. edit I assume your a bro, no offense of not, but I think it’s a pretty unisex term these days anyway✌🏽",
"Hahahahah for some reason I didn’t see it that way. Of course!",
"I think it’s because of the way I ‘feel’ wheelies on my motorcycle. Feels like you are just pushing the front in a direction up away from the ground rather than a rotation. Maybe because your weight is in the inside of that rotation. I always think of a car catching air up under the front and flipping like on drag strips.\nThanks everyone."
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"that was fantastic.",
"This is an awesome dad who deserves a little extra holiday spirit. 😊",
"I love the guitar tone and the sound quality. \nYour dad is awesome!",
"thanks! i agree :D",
"Larrivée!\n\nGreat job by your dad. I hope to do the same when I’m his age.",
"Good on you and your Dad.\n\nA tricky piece played very nicely, well done.",
"Sounds great!",
"chet atkins over here!",
"That was super cool. Looks like I’m going to spend Christmas Day practicing guitar.",
"Nicely done!",
"Lovely",
"Is it in regular tune or did he change any strings?",
"if you ask in the youtube comments I think he likes replying. If I remember to ask in my christmas call today I'll get back to you.",
"Tell your Dad it was wonderfully creepy(as it should be) and to post a lesson with tab on r/guitarlessons so we can all enjoy it."
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"I though he was being a douche, but after some digging it sounds like he was trying to distract the jackboot security forces at the show.\n\nGood on him",
"Yup, the venue insisted keeping the house lights on so that KGB could monitor the crowd.",
"Ah, not quite: it was the documentary crew (that he had asked to come) that was lighting the audience. The audience, used to “jackboot security”, was freaked out by this and it was killing the concert’s vibe. Joel, already stressed and tired, yelled at the doc crew to cut it out but they couldn’t understand what he was saying so he lost it. The crowd thought it was “crazy American rock show” and ate it up."
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"Dacron polyester (Dacron polyester)",
"Oh my - the drugs the advertising guys ate where extra good back then!",
"LSD is still as good today as it was then.",
"Johnson! I need a commercial done by next week and I can only pay you with acid.\n\nSay no more boss!",
"Picture yourself in a boat on a river…",
"You've reminded me of their Spaceman advert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLy1TIsBJ5o",
"This reminds me of the horrible [white Levi’s commercial](https://youtu.be/AQtGaQ5tvPA) that Jefferson Airplane did."
] | 7 | videos | Levi's "evolution" TV commercial 1970's |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aICaAEXDJQQ | /r/videos/comments/rob6u8/the_insane_engineering_of_james_webb_telescope/ | [
"It’s not a gamble.",
"I can here to say the same thing… terrible title",
"“Progress costs money, here’s what 10billion gets you” is a better title",
"Anyone who thinks even well planned technology can't have an unexpected malfunction or face unexpected circumstances is someone that's inexperienced with technology.",
"I'm highly supportive and proud of this accomplishment to date.\n\nAs a separate consideration, I wonder what design might emerge from a more fault tolerant project philosophy. Suppose a telescope that gives results even if a few pieces don't unfurl perfectly. Or one where the primary mitigation isn't to shake itself and hope for something to loosen. I've learned over time that when there's a critical goal, having a spare for your spare can come in handy, and that a mission that can be derailed by one flat tire or one broken shoelace is one that could have leaned a bit more on the side of fault tolerance than risk.\n\nThis thread will soon be full of supreme confidence. But remember that supreme confidence and hand waving. But remember that supreme confidence is what prevented Hubble from being properly tested, and hand waving is what caused ground-based test failures to be erroneously dismissed. \n\nAnd remember that perfection in manufacturing still failed when instruments sent to space were met with unexpected conditions in the form of variable heating due to sunlight. Remarkably, this failure has happened on more than one satellite.",
"They did prepare that it would be hit by meteors and still work.",
"Technically \"micro-meteorites\". It has to be working in the first place before that matters. The five shields and stiction worry me.",
"Rocket could have exploded. It’s a damned gamble",
"Generally speaking fault tolerance adds weight.",
"But do you see the point of the original post? Are you saying there’s nothing really differentiating putting money down on something out of your control and a fully-planned project using cutting edge technology and the combined efforts of hundreds of people at the top of their craft?\n\nThere is risk, but not everything that involves any level of risk is a gamble.",
"/r/Ireadaheadline",
"Not necessarily. Fault tolerance is a design philosophy that extends far beyond redundancy",
"This is the first time I have heard about this project and I'm really nervous. I really hope this will work.",
"It is a gamble. But a needed one.",
"I too can just say words on the internet.\n\nNot saying you're wrong, just saying that right now you have the credibility of a roadside meth-head screaming at passing traffic.",
"It doesn't have to at all. Maybe the better solution is better because of lower mass.",
"You're imbuing qualitative assumptions that don't necessarily apply. The sun rising tomorrow us \"out of my control\", but I'll gamble on that before I gamble on your \"cutting edge technology\" of let's say, Windows 11 having zero bugs.\n\nMerely being \"cutting edge technology\" is no guarantee of reliability. More the contrary.",
"First I’ve heard. Any specific issues you can point out?",
"Smart people have weighed risks and decided to put a quarter of this generation's astronomy budget into it. \n\nMy personal bias is for designs that are extra simple, and things that can work when many parts go wrong. Like how error correction allows QR codes to work at many angles and with lots of damage.",
"Yeah that’s not really what I was saying. I’m just saying gamble isn’t the best word. Yes it is a risk, but gamble implies leaving most, if not everything to chance. A well planned project with years of testing is not a gamble. \n\nYour windows 11 example is just out of left field and tells me you’re just going to argue the opposite of what I say.",
"Except your words are all so dissonant as to impart grossly false bias. Why is your gamble on Windows 11 being perfect somehow not a gamble, whereas my belief in the sun rising tomorrow a \"gamble\"?\n\nWindows 11 is a \"well planned project with years of testing\". So let's make this a bet. If it has any bugs, you come back and apologize for your false statements and for your uncalled for shade.\n\nIf the sun fails to rise tomorrow, I'll do the same for you.",
"Gamble - an act having an element of risk [Merriam Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gamble)",
"Cost and time multipliers none of which necessarily scales linearly.",
"Maybe you should tell them about fault tolerance theory. They might not have considered the pros and cons. /s",
"That’s a terrible definition. Going to bed is a “gamble” if that’s the definition - there’s a risk you die in your sleep.",
"Pretty sure this train of thought also occured to the rocket scientists who designed it...",
"This is so impressive. I want to see what else comes from this in the future.",
"I'm a fan of their work. Some elaboration on your claim would be appreciated, as if they aren't reliable then I'll need to reconsider.",
"Implying you don't much about Hawking, as he often spoke of God.",
"Yeah, I imagine getting smacked with km+ meteor would have to be detrimental to its functionality",
"Mind-boggling!",
"oh wow, another one of these \"god isn't real\" people? Seems like there are a lot of these now-a-days.",
"Yes, but when something will probably work, we don’t really call it a gamble. So much planning has gone into this, that it probably will work.",
"If you listen carefully he's actually completely invalidating pretty much every religion. He's saying if God exists he hasn't done anything for billions of years. He's not saying God exists, he's not saying what God is responsible for, he's saying what God is not responsible for.",
"You are telling me they sent it wrapped in aluminum foil? lol",
"He’s neither invalidating nor validating - he’s saying that we have not directly observed, with our instruments, a meaningful disruption of natural laws attributable to a higher power.",
"You got any suggestions on alternatives? Even if they're lecture length? The Royal Institute puts out great stuff but I want more engineering stuff too",
"I was hoping for more general engineering channels, real engineering's breadth is wide abs I've not found another channel with the same! I've not heard of these channels though, aside from Smarter Every Day, so I'll be sure to give them a look. Thank you!",
"He's not directly invalidating the concept of a God, but he is invalidating all major religions. He's saying no God has had measurable impact on the universe since the creation of the universe. Which is in direct contradiction to all major religions.\n\nHe's going about equally as far as Richard Dawkins (or any scientist) would about claims against the existence of God.",
"Again, I'll offer the bet to you: my non-gamble on tomorrow's totally unplanned sunrise against your gamble that the immensely planned Windows 11 is free of bugs. Or you could realize that your standard that \"planning\" is what constitutes a gamble or not is bullfeathers.",
"The lad is talking shite. Everything in our videos are referenced and we even mentioned the future alternatives in the video he’s referencing. Clearly has some sort of vested interest in killing hundreds of cows for a shit burger 😂",
"And up to the top your comment goes",
"Ah yes, the same hubristic overconfidence that made Hubble a smashing debut, declared that immuno-oncology was impossible, and that bumblebees can't fly.",
"ok professor reddit\n\nI think the real hubris is thinking that you know better than the hundreds of people involved in a multi billion dollar project that took decades to develop.",
"Being smarter than you doesn't make one a professor. It just means they probably aren't a coprolite with a keyboard. Unlike you, I don't suffer delusions of perfection.",
"So it seems not *impossibly* difficult to build something for humans that could maintain a survivable earth-like temperature environment? \n\n(They were talking about it “naturally” being about 80 degrees, and needing to cool that much more to near absolute zero…)",
"I started watching one by smarter every day. Apparently destin’s dad worked on the project \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8fKd0IVOs&t=217s",
"I used to watch the channel a bunch but at some point I realized like half the statements in any given video were just kind of \"generic nothingburgers\" said in a pretty accent that makes you think there's substance, haha. They're so close to being awesome and when they do get detailed it's great. But I think there is a little lack of practical/real world experience perhaps that the main host can pull from?\n\nStill, I have never seen them just \"making up stuff\", I think their facts are accurate and it's still a good channel. I just often feel the videos are light on facts and a little bloated with generic statements like \"A plane this fast has to be engineered to incredible tolerances.\"",
"What did this video make up?",
">For example, their second most recent video about lab grown meat was a ridiculous hit job. They made up this story claiming that a lab grown hamburger would require the fetal bovine serum from 300 cows to make. This is despite the fact that major companies have had alternatives to it for years. When called out on their lies the channel responded in the comments by saying that they didn't believe all of the papers that contradicted them and just had a feeling.\n\nI looked through all the comments on [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmanbWwMa5w) and saw plenty of people mentioning FBS (and the research into alternatives), but no replies from the channel in reference to this.\n\nThere was one comment thread that was talking about the costs of lab-grown meat in comparison to the cost of real beef, and it was suggested that the figures given in the video were perhaps not correct (based on other sources), [and the channel replied that the other sources were \"overly optimistic\"](https://i.imgur.com/A9Z0WUE.jpg). Is that what you were thinking of?\n\nEDIT: No response from this person a day later, I'm shocked. And even better, they're apparently a moderator of /r/wheresthebeef, a subreddit which promotes lab grown meat. Amazing",
"This is much much much much much more stable and better planned than Windows 11.\n\nI am not saying it's a guarantee, but there is no guarantee my car will start if I go down to try and drive it, and that my fridge won't stop working overnight.\n\nBut...it probably will, and this will probably work. Nothing in life is guaranteed, but this is closer than many things.",
"billion dollar foil.",
"Did you watch the JWT video? It's very good.\n\nI've been watching Real Engineering for awhile, and I don't have the same take. Maybe that blanket statement doesn’t apply to all their content.",
"Well yeah they are engineering content presented at a level the general public can understand/enjoy. Stem documentaries, and things like nova and PBS have always done this. There has to be a balance of relatively generic statements, and engineering speak where every statement is numerically supported and full of data. If you don’t want content that sumarizes that data with statements like “incredible tolerances” then you should probably just read the peer reviewed articles that they use as sources.",
"I will respectfully maintain my point. Saying that scientific instruments have never directly observed a disruption in natural laws due to supernatural power is *not* the same thing as definitively invalidating the existence of said influence, at some time or place. \n\n\nI think the original quote by Steven hawking was intentionally crafted to avoid the appearance of attempting to “debunk” religion just to avoid these types of debates.",
"Mark Rober is a great channel for engineering, with lots of long form vids. \n\nSmarter Every Day is another great engineering channel with bite size 10 minute vids that teach one or two concepts.",
"Hes not just saying we dont observe it.. hes saying it seems like it literally never happens. Hes saying all evidence suggests God literally never intervenes with the universe.\n\nThis is in direct conflict with any religion that discusses any supernatural event occurring since the creation of the universe. Hes saying, there is no evidence that those types of things ever happen. Which is 100% synonymous with Atheism. Atheists are not making a claim that God does not exist, simply that there is no evidence of Gods existence.",
"Just FYI here is another quote from hawking..\n\n>“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation,” he said. “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. **I’m an atheist.**”\n\nhttps://time.com/5199149/stephen-hawking-death-god-atheist/",
"A yes, a classic reddit comment. Points out one, relatively minor mistake in one video and declares the entire video to be trash. You went a step beyond, and actually declared the entire channel and another, different channel trash as well.\n\nTheir videos are totally fine. Yes, they make mistakes here and there, but it's very solid as science-communication channels go. It's never going to be perfect. Stop with the purity tests.",
"You can check out PBS Spacetime for an example of \"simplified without dumbing down\" and \"summarizing without filler statements\". I think the thing that's missing in some of these is the thread I'm supposed to be following. The \"why should I care?\" I went back and watched another vid though and actually felt it didn't have too much filler and explained enough of the \"why\", so I'll take back my statement a bit. Maybe it's just a few of the vids? Overall I still think it's a good channel, and trust me, I respect what they're doing is incredibly hard (translating complex scientific topics into bitesize videos for the masses). I just felt like a few times I mightve been fooled by the accent into thinking I was hearing some intellectually stimulating things and when I actually analyzed what he said it was like, \"Windmills are good for the world.\" Not sure I really have a valid criticism here though, my whole statement might just be \"I used to watch these and don't really any more for some reason.\" Might just not be the target audience haha.",
"I think PBS space time is very much not creating content for the general public. At the very least you need to be extremely interstate in the subject. Most people I have showed that to have been very disinterested by the level of detail they delve into things.",
"This must have set them back a couple hundred bucks.",
"Good point. It's more ideally situated to \"explain complex physics to non-physicist scientists\". But even where they do go too deep for the general populace, they do a great job of explaining why it's important. So even if you dont follow the complexities, you've got a continuous thread you're following and you can still get quite a lot out of the vids. Again, hard to compare to Real Engineering though, as they've got continuous narrative over many vids that helps them build that motivated \"why this matters\" and \"how this fits into a broader context\".",
"Exactly, real engineering is more like a Ted talk. It allows you to get a brief overview of a subject but stops well short of any useful level of detail.",
"Is it actually insane or just pretty complicated?",
"Only way to never have bugs is to never write code.",
"Regardless of what people are saying in the comments about the channel and how accurate their information is, one thing is clear, the launch was probably the easiest part and we have to prepare for 2 weeks of nerve-wracking configuration and deployment.",
"So all the prayers, sacrifices, persecution, abuses are irrelevant. If god existed, it’s no business of ours.",
"29 days or so to go and over 250+ maneuvers to full function……….we are gonna need all the insane engineering we can get for this to be successful.",
"But to be fair….scientist often lies. Not to deceive people, but to try to explain things, so they lie to simplify, or dumb down, some fundamentals that are actually extremely complicated, all in an effort to help the average people get an idea of what’s going on…..\n\nIt’s like we are all taught and understand that 1+1=2, but very few, and it’s really very few people can explain why and how does that work…..",
"I don't think 'lower your expectations' for a science channel is a take that fills me with confidence about the quality of said channel.",
"Well…it’s slowly becoming history channel….where it’s UFOs, UFOs everywhere.",
"\"Alright everybody, this random Redditor has some things to teach us about how to build a one-of-a-kind space telescope.\"",
"Kid, pretty much every thing in life, including when reddit makes an update, has a backup plan. \n\nAlso, you aren't as smart as you think you are.",
"I don't think any single scientist at NASA or Northrup is infallible, but I can guarantee that you and your cursory knowledge of the project have nothing to contribute that would be helpful to the hundreds of scientists and engineers who were given twenty years and billions of dollar to figure things out.\n\nBut please, call NASA and tell them you think they need to adopt a more fault tolerant project philosophy. Record the call and post it here.",
"Mark rober is just entertainment and not much informative",
"People making videos to make money lie? omg... i am shocked...",
"Why is it hubris? You said \"they should try to be fault tolerant\", the person you replied to said \"they probably thought of that\". Where is the hubris? They are pushed up against the boundaries of what they can even send. Maybe they couldn't make it any more fault tolerant? I don't get why you are being so self righteous with basically no information.",
"So Hawking is saying we've not observed evidence of a god or supernatual power actively modifying the universe after it was set in motion (whether that be by a god or not, it's besides the point). You're replying to someone who is saying that almost all major religions claim that a supernatur power has actively modified the universe in some way. They often claim they have evidence (I.e. observations) too. Hence, they are in disagreement with Hawking. You're original point is still correct of course.",
"If you really are from *Real Engineering*, this response isn't a good look for y'all. \n\nPerhaps you don't care, and that's cool, you do what you want. Or maybe you might want to address the comments in a more... mature... way. Whichever.\n\nIf you *aren't* from *Real Engineering*, yes yes, very clever.",
"I have never seen Real Engineering post nonsense or trash, but I have never seen Real science.\n\nWhat I do consider BS edutainment is Veritasium, the video about a rich kid 3D printing a rocket was incredibly stupid and made me unsuscribe.",
"The comments are going insane. I will say even though I fins this incredible and super interesting. There is a climate crisis on Earth that might be more important.",
"There are minor errors in most science documentaries, or facts that become disproven later. Comes with the complex territory, but it's also much less important in a product intended for general consumption like a youtube channel.",
"None of the shit you said indicates that watching them is \"lowering your expectations\".",
"Nothing, he's full of shit.",
"80 degrees celsius, or near the boiling point of water, and needs to be cooled down to 7 kelvin inside the mechanism. \n\nSpace is a place of extremes. Look up black body radiation!",
"The 'air conditioner' inside the telescope that helps it maintain a 7 kelvin temp for the internal mechanism is absolutely bonkers. The physical property it is taking advantage of blew my mind!",
"Agreed, crossing my fingers!",
"\\*cracks knuckles\\* Then let's get engineering!",
"Let’s engineer the shit out this. But actually it’s all there now….really not much can be done.",
"So a consistent, room-like temperature of ~22 degrees centigrade is *less* hard than this - even way out there beyond the moon? I thought that would be difficult even on Antartica here on earth. \n\nSpace seems awesome!",
"Nah, you nailed it. I don't care. Trying to argue with reddit with any sort of logic is beyond my energy levels. Like I said, every statement in our videos is referenced with trust worthy sources. I have nothing to prove to some goof on /r/videos",
"Again, unless you wish to chicken out for a third time: my bet is on tomorrow's \"unplanned\" sunrise versus your guarantee that the highly planned Windows 11 will have zero bugs. Are you still chickening out?",
"Overconfident assholes like yourself always assume \"we thought of everything\". Then you fail. Next time, you do the same overconfident asshole routine and say OK, \"*now* we thought of everything.\" Except you didn't. And you fail again. \n\nAnd the reason you keep failing is because you refuse to accept your own fallibility. It's a cycle of hubris.\n\nThe more successful people realize that not only is it possible that some things will fail, it's actually a near certainty. We plan for it instead of being in a state of unrealistic denial.",
"Your knowledge is sub-cursory. But it's not about my knowledge, it's the ignorant hubris of assholes like you who fetishize brands or concepts and think just because something is a recognizable brand, or because it's high tech it must be high reliability. It's a sign of your immaturity and low experience. \n\nThe best of you eventually realize that your hubris is a key risk. And when you stop strutting around and clucking overconfidently, that's when you begin having the objectivity to see risk instead of delusions of self-perfection. From what I can tell of you, your decades away from that basic maturity level, at best.",
"Child, your blind worship and naive faith in Reddit updates perfectly exemplifies your lack of knowledge, experience and realism. \n\nAlso, you are far more ignorant than you realize.",
"True. You get it. And yet trollchildren here are ignorantly vouching that this will be the first perfect mission in human history. It's like a cult meets a fanclub, and neither has studied any history nor done a a single real world project in their life.",
"It’s arguably the most impressive technological accomplishment in human history.\n\nIf it works. \n\nFuck even if it doesn’t work.",
"Not sure how his channel stacks up but practical engineering covers a wide array of topics. \n\nhttps://youtube.com/c/PracticalEngineeringChannel",
"Have you ever looked at the NASA systems engineering handbook? I can promise you that they designed this better than anything you could possibly think of. The list of contributors to that document alone is staggering. We're talking about hundreds to thousands of years worth of experience. Every single decision is scrutinized and analyzed. The only hubris in this thread is your own, thinking you know better than the people associated with this project.",
"Can you use an example other than the one you have an insane amount of interest in. you post heavily about lab grown meat. Are there other video topics you have found fault in or just meat?",
"You son of a bitch, I’m in.",
"Again, not sure why the asshoe brigade is having weird fantasies that is somehow me vs. NASA. If I were betting, I too would go with NASA over my own one woman space telescope design efforts. It's actually reality vs delusion. \n\nThis raises two key points that will be invisible to assholes. One is the aforementioned fact that it's not a metaphorical pissing contest between myself and NASA. It never was. It's your own pathetic insecurity in wanting to find some strawman for you to vigorously bugger without consent.\n\nThe second is that it shows you completely miss the point: it's about realizing that even your beloved and unrealistically fetishized NASA has never had a perfect mission, and never will. It doesn't matter how hard and how inappropriately aggressively you attack strangers, no amount of your impotent rage will improve the mission.\n\nYou projecting that you think you know better than the collective workforce of NASA is as naive as it is pitiful.",
"There's nothing in the parent comment that is specific enough to be addressable. \"Fuck off\" is an entirely sufficient response.",
"I can't tell, are you doing schtick?",
"Reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit. You're also the only one projecting. I find it funny that you believe everyone else is the asshole when you're clearly the common denominator.\n\nCriticizing the intelligence of everyone else while you naively presume to understand NASAs design philosophy is peak hubris. Even if you did understand their philosophy, to further assume you'd have anything valuable to add is cretinous at best. Your posturing, while amusing, betrays you. You're timid and unintelligent. No amount of posturing here will make you matter. Let the real scientists and engineers change the world while you know neither triumph or defeat.",
"I can't tell, are you an unwitting asshole or the other kind?",
"> Reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit. \n\nWhy is it that only incels who are most insecure about their intellect use that juvenile and unoriginal insult? \n\n> You're also the only one projecting. \n\nYou projecting about your projecting isn't even on the to one hundred list of things that make you a fetid asshole.\n\n> Criticizing the intelligence\n\nProject much, asshole?\n\n\n> while you naively presume to understand NASAs \n\nMore asshole projecting.\n\n> Even if you did understand\n\nProjecting your lack of understanding, got it.\n\n> You're timid and unintelligent.\n\nPeak projection. You being the king of incels isn't something of which to be proud.\n\n> Let the real scientists and engineers change the world while you know neither triumph or defeat.\n\nYou write like diarrhea smells.",
"And yet we still release code to production.",
"Implying NASA isn't doing anything about climate change 🙄",
"I know the exact type of person you are. You're an insecure, small-minded disappointment. You overcompensate to feel a little better about yourself, but it will never work. The reason you fail is the same reason you'll continue to be *less than*. If anything, I pity people like you.",
"You didn't need to loudly announce that you're an insecure, small-minded, impotent disappointment. You reek of it.",
"Is this second grade? Even your insults are a disappointment.",
"You didn't need to loudly announce that you're an insecure, small-minded, impotent disappointment. You reek of it.",
"No you're right, telling someone that they write like diarrhea smells is definitely not a juvenile insult. So much for trying to sound smart in your other comments lol.\nI know you're trolling but I just want to say this was a very strange thread of comments. Fun to read though. We're talking about a project involving 10,000 people over 25 years. If only you were there to tell them about how you've learned that having a spare for your spare can come in handy or how you prefer designs that are simple. I think you just read a couple paragraphs about the project and decided you know better. You obviously have some weird hate for NASA too.\nYou also pretended someone said Windows 11 will be free of bugs, then tried to get them to bet on it. Really? What a stupid comparison that you made up for your flawed argument. Don't talk about developing software or technology if you don't understand it.",
"Yup. His claim that Tesla's semi truck isn't feasible was a joke.",
"Great, of course your bullshit comment gets upvoted by people who obviously don't watch the channel.",
"Is that Real Science, or Real Engineering? Because one mistake on one channel does not mean either channel are trash. Any more examples?",
"Dude I work in software. Redundancy and fault tolerance is kind of my job. Sometimes you've just gotta launch with what you have or never launch. There are more constraints out there than human arrogance vs product quality.\n\nI have no idea how your take away from my comment is me being overconfident or an asshole. I just asked questions.",
"I'm excited to see some cool new stuff from space. But is anyone else weirded out by this coordinated promotion of the launch? The way it is seemingly random posters. And it's everywhere.",
"I am not exactly sure what the intention of your comment is, but I think you are wrong or at least not making too much sense.\n \nHardware is also prone to bugs. So what does that leave us with?",
"cant believe this only has a lifespan of 10 years",
"Ma'am, I have too, but in systems and infrastructure where lives depend on getting things right. I have past projects where I led the safety and reliability teams that are going 18-22 years now without major incident. It can be done, but a big part of that is in taken a very humble and modest approach that recognizes failure isn't just possible, it's probable. It's a trait that younger and less experienced people don't seem to learn until it happens to them personally. And even then, only a subset of those take it as a constructive lesson.\n\nWhat makes you an undeniable asshole was *your* choice to act like one. Most original post was polite, respectful and informative. I attacked no one, including yourself.\n\nYou then made the conscious decision to respond as asshole, making the choice to draft an insulting reply inciuding name calling. You did this without provocation or justification. That was your choice. You could have disagreed agreeably, debating the message and not taking a sleazy pot shot at the messenger. But you chose differently.\n\nI've learned that people who sucker punch others with no reason or provocation range from garden variety asshole types, to sociopaths, and all the way up to psychopaths. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that your unprovoked attack confirms you to be at the bottom of that scale. Perhaps you're worse, but only time will tell.\n\nI suppose it's possible you were just a momentary asshole, and you were having a bad moment when you made the deliberate choice to attack a stranger for no good reason. I guess you could prove that by retracting and apologizing and then showing non-asshole behavior going forward in the future.\n\nI'm open to being mistaken, but we'll see if you can demonstrate this decision of yours was momentary and out of character.",
"Whoosh.",
"Everything you're saying applies to you more than me based on the comments we exchanged. I don't know where this bee in your bonnet came from. We've barely said anything to each other and you're calling me an asshole and assassinating my character. Notice how I didn't insult you at all - I asked why you were acting in the way you were, which you doubled down on here.\n\nI fundamentally don't understand why you are acting like this. But I don't need to. Have a nice Christmas, if this way of behaving works for you then you do you.",
"So you've confirmed your choice to instigate being an asshole was not a momentary error but a deliberate decision on your part and that my initial instinct that you're a proud asshole was correct. \n\nYour decision left me no choice but to point out what you are based on your actions, so it's your own choices and conduct that assassinates your own character.\n\nYou attacked a stranger for no reason. IRL, we correctly and immediately identify people like that for what you are.",
"A helpful social tip for you: Under every comment is a number. It's either orange, or black with a negative sign. If it's the second kind, it means people find you off-putting, and not as smart or clever as you find yourself.\n\nIn real life, that feedback is expressed much more subtly, and arrogant, anti-social people often don't even realize how annoying everyone actually finds them.\n\nSo, instead of using Reddit as a place to showcase your intellect and work out your insecurity on strangers, treat it as an opportunity to learn how to not be quite so weird.",
"A helpful emotional tip for you: making your entire self worth dependent on fake internet points is mental illness on steroids. And when those points are derived mainly from people who share your character flaws and depravity, it's worse. It's consistent with your self-chosen role to be a edgy asshole. \n\nInstead of using Reddit to show what a morally and intellectual bankrupt waste of tissue you are, ask your guardian or teacher to get you the psychological intervention that might break you out of your impotently malicious existence.",
"Considering that he is a moderator in /r/wheresthebeef which is all about lab grown meat, he just might be pushing an agenda",
"You may not be self-aware or as nearly as smart as your think, but at least you're very impressed by yourself.\n\nHappy New Year. I'll grant you the the final word.",
"Hope you and your imaginary Internet points are happy being depraved and empty together.",
"It's not \"degrees Kelvin\". It's just Kelvins.",
"This new episode of Earth: Homo Sapiens seems lit!\nMan, I live this show",
"The universe is nondeterministic. What are you gonna do? Solve arithmetic problems all your life or are you going to take risks and make some moves?",
"5:25 \"...scorched at 83°C\" the narrator says while the graphics show negative 83°C. What?",
"A good scientist doesn’t lie. But we don’t have many good ones. Carl Sagan didn’t lie.",
"[ **Jump to 05:25 @** The Insane Engineering of James Webb Telescope](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aICaAEXDJQQ&t=0h5m25s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Real Engineering, Video Length: [31:23])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@05:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aICaAEXDJQQ&t=0h5m20s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)",
"Nah man, some guy's comment ain't gonna get me to stop watching - just wanted more things like it is all.\n\nEvery piece of media has its own spin, it's own bias, known or not. I value the sources and referenced papers and the fact that you put them there in the description. If I wanted to verify or challenge something, it would be simple because you present the information as clearly as possible! Thanks for the reply and keep it up."
] | 138 | videos | The Insane Engineering of James Webb Telescope |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R3dTdcpSU&ab_channel=APODVideos | /r/videos/comments/robas4/rocket_launch_into_space_as_seen_by_the_space/ | [
"Breathtaking…",
"So amazing",
"Did it explode ther near the end? If so, yet more space junk added to orbit. Everyday we're getting closer and closer to the [Kessler Syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome).",
"**[Kessler syndrome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome)** \n \n >The Kessler syndrome (also called the Kessler effect, collisional cascading, or ablation cascade), proposed by NASA scientist Donald J. Kessler in 1978, is a scenario in which the density of objects in low Earth orbit (LEO) due to space pollution is high enough that collisions between objects could cause a cascade in which each collision generates space debris that increases the likelihood of further collisions.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"what's so crazy is that it's like watching something you're used to seeing on star trek (if you watch a lot of sci fi).... except it's .. real.",
"Is this sped up?",
"Dang that song almost turned into \"Arrival of the Birds\" and I thought I was gonna' start tearing up again.",
"Probably. The ISS makes a full orbit in around 90 minutes, this looked like it make it at least halfway so maybe around 45 minutes?",
"This is mesmerizing",
"no, it did not explode.",
"Is this actual footage or computer generated?",
"That may be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.",
"omg it's coming right at us!",
"How is this real footage?? Looks straight out of science fiction.\n\nAmazing",
"Juno flyby of Ganymede and Jupiter. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7OJ7gFLvE",
"Probably why OP shared it, to get some duped upvotes.",
"Around 1:18 there are some lines of red blinking lights on the surface. I wonder what those are. Must be something quite large. And coordinated to blink all at the same time like that.\n\nApparently this launch began in Kazakstan so I'm guessing it's somewhere in Europe.",
"Real. It seems slightly computer generated or the very least digitally touched up based on the texture depth (clouds on horizon look unrealistically flat) but I think it's intended to be photorealistic from actual photos taken as a timelapse.",
"No, it's real. It was taken by German astronaut Alexander Gerst when he was on the ISS a few years ago. It's actually not *technically* a video in the strictest sense. He took took a series of photos (I think 2/sec) and they were strung together in post to make this \"video\".",
"Real. Taken by [Alexander Gerst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gerst) from the ISS a few years back.",
"Right, so I that's what I mean. It's for sure made from real photos, but something seems uncanny about the depth and texture. For example, at 0:15 the band of white clouds have this sharp edge and flatness that doesn't look realistic.\n\nSame at 1:05. The bright areas in the lower right just look weird. Like a low resolution texture applied to a globe shape.\n\nMaybe it's all an illusion or a trick of the lighting. It's truly unreal to witness this, born just in time I suppose.",
"The photos probably had a relatively long exposure time compared to normal video, which would explain why things look a little \"smooth\". Either way, it's definitely real.",
"Not disagreeing on the real part here. It's for sure, 100% real, just doesn't look as \"natural\" as say the live feed from the ISS or other videos of flyovers is all.",
"[ **Jump to 01:18 @** Rocket Launch as Seen from the Space Station](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R3dTdcpSU&t=0h1m18s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: APOD Videos, Video Length: [01:37])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R3dTdcpSU&t=0h1m13s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)",
"The source says the video represents 15 minutes of elapsed time.\n\nhttps://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap181126.html",
"I'd like to see this at regular speed.",
"Right? And it's real, this actually happened up there above our heads. It's not CGI, and it blows my mind.\n\nI wish we could fund science and space exploration so much more than we do today.",
"Yeah I've seen so many freaking \"artist's renders\" in my lifetime that I'm in awe that we can finally capture these sorts of images in real life. Just incredible!",
"What song is playing in the background?",
"I mean, it's still a cool as fuck video, idk what you mean by \"duped\". They just posted it while people were interested in rocket launches.",
"The ISS flies the other way, west to east in a big arcs. It's night, cloudy and the landscape in that part of the world is super barren. It's really hard to track it. I don't think it's going south because it's not populated enough to be the main part of China, so it's probably going from Kazakhstan up into Russia/Mongolia and then Heilongjiang in northern China. \n\nThere's a big patch of darkness near the end, before we suddenly get to a really populated area where you saw the lights. We could be flying over the sea of Japan and the video ends over Japan itself. Or the darkness could have just been desert/forest/mountains and we're seeing Chinese cities at the end, that area is quite well populated. \n\nWithout being able to properly make out coastlines and with no timestamps showing how much time passed since it flew over the launch site in Kazakhstan, it's going to be extremely hard to identify that location. The ISS flies low, so the field of view we're seeing is very small, just a couple of hundred miles across.",
"War. War never changes...",
"I almost have trouble believing it's real footage - not *just* because of the sci-fi nature of it, but it also has a \"generated\" visual style, probably caused by the extreme scope of the shot, and the clarity of space?",
"https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/32245/what-is-this-huge-red-blinking-light-structure-on-earth-seen-from-the-iss-in-t",
"That’s also possible. Absolutely.",
"It seems to be on the exact same trajectory as the station so it’s almost certainly an ISS resupply or astronaut launch. Very cool!",
"This is a video. \n\n\nYou've described the technical definition of a video. All video is a series of photographs strung together.",
"Wow. That is an incredible sight. 😊",
"This 90 sec. time lapse video was created by Ricardo Rossi. Says so here on the Nasa.gov website. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap181126.html \n\nSo there was some processing of the original 15 minutes worth of images captured by the astronomer.",
"This time lapse was created by Ricardo Rossi. \n\nSource: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap181126.html",
"Sadly, it's CGI..."
] | 37 | videos | Rocket launch into space as seen by the space station. |
https://youtu.be/G3i6UwVkP6M | /r/videos/comments/robnmy/was_jesus_just_another_sun_god/ | [
"Worshipping the sun actually makes sense.",
"Oh, wow. Who knew Christmas and the Solstice coincided. \n/s",
"Jesus."
] | 3 | videos | Was Jesus just another sun god |
https://youtu.be/dIpi0kle1g0 | /r/videos/comments/robr51/heroin_christmas/ | [
"She's off winning Oscars now and a darling of Hollywood.\nI wonder if they've watched her as drunken Sophie in peepshow.",
"What show is this? This isn’t from PeepShow is it??",
"Olivia Coleman!",
"That Mitchell and Webb Look",
"It's from The Mitchell and Webb look, done by the same folks",
"That \"Mitchell and Webb Look\" it was a comedy sketch show.",
"Sure, blame grandma even though her description was completely accurate.",
"On the floor of the fuck bunker toilets.",
"Colman",
"Yeah, she didn't TIFU, it was the dealer that messed up. On purpose, I'd say. He probably didn't have much heroin but he had a bunch of cocaine so...",
"And the whole lot of them with (edit:) Martin Freeman on Bruiser.",
"Cocaine is a lot more expensive. He upsold grandma.",
"Drowning in a ballpit at a children's play park",
"She been blastin out the class acts for years. Highly recommend her in \"Tyrannosaur\".",
"https://youtu.be/ZFCtIkykMF4",
"That is false",
"god i miss opiates. i don't miss everything else that comes with them, but that actual feeling. this clip brought back memories.",
"Not really my place as I was never an opiate addict and I am just a stranger on the internet, but stay strong! I am a child of an addict and I know how hard it can be.\n\nWishing you happy times and a nice holiday season.",
"Olivia Colman",
"Does anyone care about oscars anymore?",
"https://imgur.com/gallery/xPDJ4xc",
"Stay strong man. Don't do it! Stay strong and sober!",
"Her singing in the lobster, 🤌🏿",
"I'm a simple man. I see Olivia C and I upvote.",
"Olivia Coleman is a treasure.",
"Boooo",
"Say what that crack is really moreish.",
"Man of coal.",
"Moist.",
"I have that addon for reddit posts below a YT video. It defaulted to when this was posted 3 years ago. One of the comments is about her getting ready to start a big gig. Then I come to this post and see this as the top comment lol.",
"This is a great skit. Big WKUK vibes. The heroin guy kind of reminds me of Trevor Moore.",
"Mind telling me what show that’s from? I’ve always wanted to see it in context.",
"It's the same show that inspired the \"are we the baddies?\" meme.",
"The myth child forgives you.",
"What? Since when?",
"Blink 182 music video \n\nhttps://youtu.be/vVy9Lgpg1m8",
"[Blink 182 First Date](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVy9Lgpg1m8&t=115s)",
"All I knew about Olivia Coleman was That Mitchell and Webb Sound and Hot Fuzz so watching her in Tyrannosaur was a jolt. SO good but Jesus, so harsh.",
"American here. Somebody tell me wtf is going on. Was there a reunion?",
"Really sweet. \n\nIt’s nice to see a family who knows each other well enough to give each other gifts they’ll use.",
"im dead ass at the grandma getting the wrong shit lmao",
"Last time I was using was about 10 years ago. In all honesty I was using 30mg hydrocodone pills. A pill was $30 and half a pill snorted would set you up for the night. Coke was always like $80 for the night.\n\nGranted I got hooked on the pills and ended up with a 5 pill a day habit for a few years. But at first the pills were the cheaper option. And before I quit I strongly considered switching to straight heroin cuz I was told it was cheaper.\n\nI’m in Tampa if that makes any difference.",
"The Sophster",
"You should check out their other videos. Like \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I",
"Or, I forget her character’s name, but the movie was Confetti, and she was just naked the whole time.",
"With your username you should know it's true. Blows a lot cheaper than blow",
"It's a funny skit but after reading about the redditor's descent into the darkness using heroin, it's always scary.",
"I thought it was TM at first glace as well. Stupid balconies.",
"Now we know...",
"Not inspired, it's the same show (not sure if it's the same series though)",
"She was great in Peep Show - played her role almost too convincingly! Great show.",
"Jesus… 10 my of hydro went for 5.00 in 2015. Such a weak opioid if you have any kind of tolerance.",
"Oh we know now, don’t we!",
"He pulled the International Turbo Man switcheroo on her.",
"\"inspired\", it's the same people",
"I know. Go watch Peep Show",
"Well it’s not rocket science.",
"Entangle me not, Webb!",
"No.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look",
"**[That Mitchell and Webb Look](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look)** \n \n >That Mitchell and Webb Look is a British sketch comedy television show starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb. As well as Mitchell and Webb themselves, the writers include Jesse Armstrong, James Bachman, Sam Bain, Mark Evans, Olivia Colman, Joel Morris, John Finnemore, Simon Kane and others. It was produced by Gareth Edwards. Colman, Bachman, and Evans were also members of the cast, alongside Gus Brown, Sarah Hadland, Daniel Kaluuya and Paterson Joseph.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"I like that I've seen TWAML so much that I Just have to click the link to see what skit it is to get the full impact :) Love David Mitchell so much.",
"I'm sorry for your loss.",
"It’s just what I wanted! Merry Xmas!",
"Thanks. I’ve seen this video so many times and always thought it was a young Steve Zahn.",
"Thanks mom!",
"That Witchell And Mebb Look - a classic 😉",
"damn, you were overpaying. you were paying todays top prices, 10 years ago.",
"That's numberwang!",
"awww. that poor dopehead hasn't discovered the magic of speedballs yet. :(",
"Martin",
"I clicked only to check. Yes, this is the correct link.\nWell done.\n\nApproved.",
"I think she also likes a little Hot Fuzz if you know what I mean ;)",
"Depends on location",
"Dope where I’m from is like 4x cheaper than coke in New England",
"I've run to Windsor.",
"Ok I’ve seen this show before and loved it but I have to ask, is the title of the show saying “That Mitchell and Webb, look” like look at them? Or is Look slang for show or sketch?",
"They said it’s the same show, that inspired the meme, which is correct",
"You don’t miss opiates. You miss good feelings. I remember when I was sling drugs it “felt great” but it actually didn’t feel great. The good times were killing me and I didn’t want to die. I just wanted things to get better.\n\nYou can have good feelings.",
"Took me ages to work out what he meant",
"OMG the best scene",
"I think it's \"that Mitchell and Webb Look\" as opposed to \"that Mitchell and Webb Sound\" which was the podcast. Look just means it's a visual medium.",
"> she didn't TIFU\n\nchrist are people writing like this now?",
"Martim Freeman",
"Oh you are in for a fucking treat. That Mitchell and Webb Look was their sketch show previous to Peep Show. Unfortunately it only seems to be available in clips on YouTube but it's totally worth it if you can find it.",
"Yeah but he's a heroin addict, he's going to need a lot more than the normal dose to feel anything.",
"Is that what you call the stationary cupboard?",
"Mind out boys, father spliffmas coming frew.",
"Since ever",
"This is def true",
"I hate that I know this but akshually - those were 30mg oxycodone pills. Hydrocodone doesn’t come in that dosage and isn’t snortable, oxycodone does and is.",
"Ahh I had no idea there was a podcast. That makes more sense, thanks!",
"30 mg of hydrocodone is quite a lot. You were probably getting regular Vicodin, which is 5 mg hydrocodone with 500 mg of Tylenol. They generally sold for about a dollar a mg: regular vikes were $5.00, extra strength were $7.00, and Norcos were $10.00. I think OP was getting the Zohydros which were pretty hard to come by.",
"Lol, I just just realized there was a podcast, haveng even looked into where to listen.\n\nOur of curiosity, where do you watch the show? I'm tried of watching grainy versions on YouTube",
"Was getting 10/325. Yeah, if no tolerance 30 mg is a lot for a single dose.",
"Like the brilliant pcp skit everyone raves about. 11 minutes of straight nonjokes and boredom. It's like wkuk but this is actually funny.",
"Drunken Ball Witch",
"Tim Martin",
"That's nuts. I've never used or bought H but I know where I live they charge $200+ a gram for it, but coke is only $80 a gram.",
"Small correction, it was a radio show.",
"Yep, that meme comes from that show https://youtu.be/8JOpPNra4bw\n\nMitchell & Webb done lots amazing skits over multiple different TV series. \n\nOne of my favorites is Conspiracy Theories: https://youtu.be/5muY64Oyp10",
"Jesus Christ 200 a gram???? Fuck that is insane! Back home a single gram goes for $40-$50 and a 10 gram chunk would go for $200-$300. Coke usually $60/80 a g and $200 for 3.5g. \n\nAre you in the US? The place I’m speaking of is in the northeastern US",
"Gotcha, thanks! Any idea on where to access it?",
"I assume that H more expensive???? but generally C is cheaper/better quality in Florida. I’m also in Florida and always pay like $80/g for really good C but it hasn’t been the same experience everywhere. New Orleans I think was about the same. But up north and “over the pond” is not nearly the same. At least in my experience with locals in Edinburgh and London.",
"Depends where you live. Coke is cheap as shit in Brasil but pricey in the US.",
"Haha yeah you're right",
"Since forever?",
"Yeah I'm glad I don't do it lol. And coke is only like 2-3 times a year. I live in the Midwest US",
"The producers told her they would blur out her nudity. She found out they lied at the premier.",
"Yeah I’ve only ever watched clips on YouTube. Google tells me it’s on Netflix but I just checked and it’s not so not sure.",
"Since always. Heroin is cheap as shit until you get heavily addicted. It's the biggest reason people go from oxycontin to H, other than their script running out. It's stronger, cheaper and more readily available now. Cocaine has always been an expensive drug.",
"Hydrocodone shouldn't be that expensive even today, it sucks compared to oxy and a lot of other opiates.",
"He said he lived in Tampa. That's fucking expensive anywhere in the us. Vicodin is garbage.",
"No, h is far cheaper for it's strength.",
"Okay to be fair, I’ve never attempted to buy H. I’ve reacted very poorly to dilaudid in the ICU, plus I’m more of an uppers kind of gal.",
"That show's a bit hit, miss, hit, hit, miss, miss, hit, miss, hit, miss, hit, miss, miss, miss, hit, hit, miss, hit, miss",
"Yeah, they made the show. Someone saw the show and was inspired to make it into a meme.",
"I used to do opiates . I still do, but I used to, too",
"That's part 2 of the Baddies sketch. Here's parts 1 and 2: https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU",
"THANK YOU! Someone gets why I said \"inspired\".",
"glad it wasnt just me, i usually skim read commends but that made me stop and think.",
"Why not all hits?",
"I always thought it was from [the new kids guys](https://youtu.be/Wm57xRgZd8M). The more you know...",
"*Colman\n\nAnd don't let it happen again.",
"But the meme isn't inspired by it though it is actually just it.",
"I don't expect it to be common knowledge, it's just a huge reason why people eventually turn to it from prescription painkillers. It's cheaper, better high, etc and it's everywhere in the US. Uppers are probably a better habit to have, other than meth. I can do coke a couple times a year and never think about it. I know if I go back to opiates again, even just once, it's over for me.",
"Dobby is the perfect woman.",
"Great, methadone in the mulled wine..",
"This post makes me sad. Charlie was north of $350/g here a couple of weeks ago. (Adelaide, Australia) oh and quality is shit.",
">commends",
"You might be thinking of Crack. Cocaine, especially good shit, is hella expensive. Crack is cocaine diluted with (usually) baking soda so it is quite a bit cheaper.",
"This vid is a true christmas classic",
"I don't understand this",
"That's numberwang!",
"Fuck it, I concede! It's Christmas, let's not argue about semantics. Not important enough to spend Christmas defending my little comment.",
"That's numberwang!",
" \"He thinks there's a pigeon in Catalonia that's in control of his legs.\"",
"Laugh tracks make it funny right?",
"Set sail for the high seas!",
"Same thing happened to Robert Webb in *the same film. Such scummy tactics\n\nEdit - corrected the film",
"I do wish they’d re-release this show without a laugh track. It’s not like some ‘90s sitcom that was filmed in front of a live audience and would have an awkward and uncomfortable vibe without the laugh track, this show was more like Scooby Doo where the laughs were added in after the fact and serve no real purpose. I love this show but it’s really hard to go back to because of it.",
"That's a bad miss",
"Yeah but they inspired the meme",
"Yeah if you're in fucking Iceland maybe. You could go damn near anywhere in the world and get better prices than that.",
"Probably meant oxycodone",
"Yoooooo whaaaaaat???\n\nI asked around recently and was floored that our prices went from $80/g a few years back to $120. $350 is just fucking stupid money for a g of trash.",
"Yeah, I’ve never really seen 30 mg hydro’s but it’s been awhile.",
"Ive kicked everything from the PCP to the lattes.",
"I seem to remember it being on YouTube, and that everything i heard there were skits I'd already seen on That Mitchell and Webb Look",
"Dealer was obviously grifting grandma",
">they inspired the meme\n\nNo, they **are** the meme. That scene from the show is the meme itself.\n\nI feel like you're conflating \"image macro\" and \"meme\". Some memes are image macros, and some memes aren't. This is a case where the meme is the show itself. As in, the actual video of that episode is the meme. Whoever it was who created the image macro with stills from the show didn't create a meme; they merely showed images of an existing meme.",
"54?",
"Most of the sketches are filmed with an audience. It's not a laugh track",
"Sorry, that's Wangernum",
"That was also in Confetti. He played Colman's male counterpart.",
"Like I’m terrible cause I don’t consider coke like a DRUG drug. I’ve used it more for diet/weight control purposes but yeah I can like stop doing it at like 5pm and go to bed by 10 and not do it the next day if I don’t feel like it. Same couldn’t be said for alcohol (for me anyway…once I start drinking, I don’t stop and get kinda out of control with drinking every single day blah blah blah). I went to high school in Idaho where a lot of my friends got into meth…one of my best friends got super into meth and it completely fucked up his life to the point where he’s been to prison, he’s a felon, he contracted HIV, etc. I said something about how I’m sober from alcohol but still do coke from time to time cause it “doesn’t count” and he thought I was crazy…I forget that people who live in places where coke isn’t like a big thing like it is in Florida, just assume that it’s something that it isn’t.",
"You forgot [Angel Summoner & BMX Bandit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuMpYTyRjw).",
"Did you SMH after reading it?",
"No. And isn't it ironic that the exact people that canned laughter is used to help now generally has an instinctive negative reaction to it?",
"Definitely a white Christmas",
"I'm NOVA, we called those dirty 30s... we had legit stuff (not vicodin) and would usually get it $1/MG of whatever the pill count was for the script.\n\nScary times and I'm surprised that I survived",
"What does Skyrim have to do with this",
"I dOn'T kNoW wHaT yOu wAnT aNyMoRe!",
"420?",
"The TV show was after Peep Show started, but they the radio show was earlier as well as a previous sketch show.",
"I mean honestly you should be grateful for the coke, it’ll help balance all the heroine. \n\nFunny story I asked for a Jak and Daxter video game for Christmas once and my grandma got me the new Rachet and clank game instead ( the second one, “up your arsenal”) and at I was upset but I didn’t let it show and instead acted happy. Well 6 months later I finally decided to play it and o man it was one of the best games I’ve ever played. \n\nThanks Mimi I love you.",
"I really think it depends on the person because I did a fuck ton of coke at one point, just going through gram after gram and blowing all of my fucking money on it when I was younger so I can understand someone getting addicted. When you go overboard it's hard to stop, even if it just takes a few days to completely get over the habit, the withdrawal was mostly mental for me, but it can be rough being all depressed and shit. It's like a nice dopamine hit but overall the high is just kind of weak compared to other drugs, and I get a bit depressed the day after sometimes. It's almost as if I just grew out of it. It's just not as appealing to me anymore. I have friends that have ADHD and they say they feel absolutely nothing from it though. I think its super overrated overall.",
"Like any sketch show, from Key & Peele to Chappelle’s show",
"that's why she left. didn't want to be pigeonholed into Peepshow roles forever",
"The withdrawals must be fantastic!",
"You can buy the radio show on itunes etc. I think, but most of the episodes seem to be [on YouTube.](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAuTFdNj7G_DB1fYKSlAaKR_iq9kyDDE) The tv show is harder to find full episodes of, and I don't think you can buy it digitally anywhere, but most of the sketches are on YouTube individually.",
"That doesn’t sound right. Most of the sketches look like single-camera closed-set setups with nowhere that an audience could be hidden and the camera moving more than 180° (some sketches are even outdoors), and on top of that the actors never play to an audience and don’t leave any pauses for audience reaction.\n\nAlso Wikipedia says that the show was shot on location and then that was followed by three audience recording sessions later on. That’s ambiguous wording but implies that the completed show was showed to an audience to get the laugh track, like How I Met Your Mother.",
"Shinty-six",
"There isn’t. It’s an old radio show.",
"A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of \"melts\". Almost every \"grilled cheese\" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called \"grilledcheese\" is nothing short of utter blasphemy. Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese. I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled \"melts\" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese. I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being. Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples \"grilled cheeses\" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment i saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now.\n\nYou god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.",
"That's numberwang!",
"Soph!",
"Relax, it's not Blue Peter.",
"Peep show actually is not written by Mitchell and Webb, they just star in it.",
"Too many people here know scarily a lot about drugs.",
"Rotate the board!",
"F",
"If he OD's on the H a big fat line of that coke could keep his heart and breathing going so he doesn't die. Or just speedball it bro, that way you can be awake and nod at the same time. \n\num, I'm told.",
"Also seems like every other post lately has errors in the title.",
"Street pharmacists everywhere round here",
"Interesting! That I did not know",
"This is a great skit, blame grandma even though her description was once definitely accurate.",
"You're making me LOL.",
"Nans always get ya the wrong presents tho dont they eh. It was Old Spice After Shave you wanted wasnt it love?",
"I'm referencing [a sketch from the show](https://youtu.be/yaMvsGp3FjU)",
"This",
"thats retarded",
"why did you. even check?",
"Peep Show is written by Jesse Armstrong and Sam Bain. Jesse has since created and is the head writer for Succession!",
"You end up with crack in your Christmas cracker.",
"Can't you make the hydros snortable by dissolving out the Tylenol and then drying out the powder again? I never got into pills so maybe I'm wrong.",
"\"Look\" was recorded almost like their radio show as the duo act out sketches in front to an audience like a table read and used their reactions for the filmed sketches.",
"I hate that I know what you're referring to",
"It's similar to HIMYM's recording process, but the audience reactions were taken from the titular duo acting out and reading lines in a studio before they shot the sketches.",
"You can remove the ~~aspirin-~~ Tylenol using cold water extraction, but it makes it a drinkable liquid. You could theoretically evaporate the water but it would take a while and patience is not exactly a virtue in that world. \n\nEven then, hydrocodone has optimal oral bioavailability where oxycodone is almost even oral vs snorted. Drugs like Opana (oxymorphone) or Dilaudid (hydromorphone) have huge nasal bioavailability and very minimal oral BA so they’re much stronger snorted.\n\nEdit: Tylenol not aspirin, duh :)",
"Guys I really idgaf",
"It’s a joke about alcohol.",
"I'm your mama, I'm your daddy\n\nI'm that Redditor in the alley\n\nI'm your doctor when in need\n\nWant some coke? Have some weed\n\n\\- Redditorman",
"BOOOO!",
"Yeah we were just talking about this. Laugh tracks are creepy af.",
"Someone always gives you a book",
"That's not numberwang.",
"Her agent basically told her she had to quit Peep Show and TMAWL to progress her career even though she really didn’t want to and cried loads at it but fully admits now it was definitely the right decision of course.",
"Lmao straight up everyone dragging you for saying \"TIFU\", I had a chuckle mate",
"Can anyone tell me where i can watch Little Britain? Tried to show the gf but couldnt find it sadface",
"I... IDK if you get it",
"I mistakenly read your name with an \"i\" in place of that first \"a\". heh, gross.",
"Now you know",
"You can never mention the price you pay for drugs without the \"I get cheaper drugs because I know all the best sources!\" guy popping up.",
"I love this skit chain so fucking much.",
"They totally /r/TIFUped",
"Don't know people with that patience to prep that.",
"Being able to act drunk well is underrated to be fair!",
"I found them on archive.org or fourble",
"Das Ist Numberwang!",
"British \"humor\"",
"Nothing like a bit of girl on girl.",
"KEKW",
"Don't talk about toasties that way m8.",
"I was sure it was him for a second! Then i found he died this year?? Wtf, I'm sad now :(",
"Holy shit of heroin was that expensive I’d stop doing it!!\n\n>!lol jk I’d just have to huddle harder!<",
"Having just finished the last episode of Dopesick, it’s even more depressing reading this shit, opioid abuse is just so normalised by Americans these days and its fucking rampant.",
"Every ounce of me wants to downvote you, but damn it I admire the bravery!",
"Damn, makes me miss peep show so much!",
"This guy drugs",
"Yeah, it's no Big Train or The Fast Show.",
"*Other good feelings.",
"I'd open up an umbrella in my arris for her.",
"Big beats are the best, get high all the time.",
"Grandma description was the best",
"I always thought Mitchell and Webb was basically a British version of Key and Peele.",
"I have a feeling that's on purpose. If you put a glaring error in the title it gets people into the comments to complain about it.",
"The manifesto",
"Now we know",
"TIL!",
"I'm blocking you for reminding me of this.",
"He really shouldn’t have been sucking his own dick on the railing like that. RIP",
"That Mitchell and Webb Smell never really made it into the mainstream. Comedy sketches distilled into a scent. Something like Joop or Cool Water, but more, you know, funnier.",
"Tits.",
"Heroin is everywhere",
"**[Relevant.](https://youtu.be/u6kHN92Yv48)**",
"That's number Wang!",
"There’s an opioid crisis happening in America and most of it is stored in the bathroom cabinet. It was manufactured. Look into the origins of Oxy.",
"Don't forget she was in Hot Fuzz! hilarious",
"Glad we agree on this. it was so cringe to read that",
"\"Fake the footage of the fake moon landing on the moon.\" Classic",
"Let it snow and get us blow",
"This killed me dead until I had to RAOFLOL",
"Up your arsenal is the third one.",
"Its probably not cheaper just sold by the hit often times. $5 of crack will buy you about 1-3 minutes of high.",
"I legit thought that was Trevor Parker doing a British accent for a second",
"Right?\n\nI’m torn. There was a time in my life where that would have been the greatest Christmas ever.\n\nBut had it actually happened, it probably would have been my last Christmas ever.. lol",
"If it weren’t for the withdrawals and inability to shit, opiates would be the greatest thing in the world",
"> she didn't TIFU\n\npeople are hating but this is beautiful. you keep on shining bright you star",
"> Big WKUK vibes\n\nOr you know, WKUK has big Mitchell and Webb vibes since Mitchell and Webb pre-date WKUK",
"Especially back then weren’t pain mills still around in Florida? That shit was insane.",
"And usually it’s just dependent on location. Unless you’re going one step above and buying in bulk(like getting a half/whole piece of heroin), but most people using heroin don’t/can’t do that and it comes with a slew of added on risks.",
"Cringe is just as bad",
"Do you live in goddamn Alaska? That’s crazy, and the only place I’ve heard prices being that high.",
"Writing is a strong word for that.",
"Starring Ravid Witchell and Dobert Mebb",
"I felt compelled to count the hits vs. the misses as I love the show but get what you mean. The math checks out - that's numberwang",
"aw shit I've only just subscribed to threeble",
"The whole series is on YouTube if you just type in season 1, 2 etc. There's also Mitchell and Webb Situation that's before Look",
"Sometimes I wish I was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor so I could try all the bad things without fear of messing up my life.",
"u/savevideobot",
"Wanna try [Finnish humor](https://youtu.be/mHvBvkSCx2w) ?",
"Idk what joop and cool water, but that Mitchell and Webb Look honestly blew me away. It's one of the shows that baffles me that's it's not on streaming. Like so many amazing sketches and even the mediocre ones were better than most sketch shows\n\nJust Google those and now I feel like a dumbass lol. Whatever, it's Christmas, and I'm drunk. Cheers!",
"I'm his wiiiife",
"Sophistry!",
"Underrated comment ^",
"u/savevideobot",
"Don't be such an AITA.",
"A lot of people do lots of drugs and/or have or has sold drugs at some level even if it was just to friends and friends of friends. \n \nHe’s also right about the heroin being generally cheaper than coke depending on how much you buy. If you’re buying small amounts the good stuff, not cut up, of each can run you 80/90 a g give or take but max to 100 a g in my circles at least. Tho depending on your dealer a 20 of H can be 0.3 bags instead 0.2 which makes a g 70ish. All of it gets way cheaper, like per gram sold can be sub 5 a point pretty quickly, so if you use a lot just buy in bulk. H will go down faster in price than coke in my experience which is only antidotal.",
"Yes... funny.",
"He died doing what he loved... sucking his own dick.",
"apparently i'm nowhere",
"Never heard of an actress called 'She's\". Is she new in town?",
"\\*bonk\\*",
"Going past the point of no return is a lot like having an inoperable brain tumor; it's just you'll have your family's disappointment rather than their pity",
"Hydros absolutely do come in 30mg pills and are snortable.",
"Not 10 years ago it wasn’t. Zohydro is the first 30mg dosage, without acetaminophen as well. It came out late 2014. Who was snorting that much Tylenol with Norcos and Vics? Most people would do cold water extraction if they really wanted to take a bunch without acetaminophen toxicity. \n\nEDIT: there’s also Hysingla, but that’s even newer. The Zohydro 30mg is a blue and white pill labeled Z330. It is snortable, but oral bioavailability is much much higher.",
"I read this comment then looked at my wife and I LOL'd out loud!",
"Maybe it’s different in Canada but there was 100% was. Hydro contin has been available forever and in 3mg doses, without Tylenol.",
"It's so weird seeing Olivia Colman, who plays Queen Elizabeth in *The Crown*, in this",
"Are you sure you’re not thinking of HydromorphContin? That’s dilaudid, and definitely snortable. I’ve come across those with dosages as high as 24mg before?\n\nEDIT: I can’t find extended release hydrocodone anywhere before Zohydro and Hysingla and nothing listed on the Perdue Pharm site either (patent owner for *-Contin).",
"That’s possible, you may be correct actually. Highest dose I’ve seen for those is 30mg though which is what I thought he meant originally",
"I've been clean 10 years now, if that gives you any hope.",
"Just looked up the HydromorphContin and found they have the 30mg as well. I think that must have been what you were seeing? I was just saying I’ve only come across the 24mg before. Glad we could figure it out :) \n\nCheers and Merry (opiated or not) Xmas!",
"Seriously wtf I almost stopped using Reddit after 10 years when I read that",
"I took \"blues\". I remember them being hydrocodone but it has been a decade and I try not to remember a lot of it. They either had an M or an A pressed into them.",
"Those were definitely oxycodone! The M with the box around it is made by Malindrockt and the A were stamped A-215 and are made by Activis. They’re both commonly known as blues. \n\nI don’t know why I know this other than OCD and being a chronic pain patient. It’s not a life I would choose but oh well :/\n\nEDIT: They usually cost ~$1/mg and have been around that much for a while. About 10-12 years or so in CA at least, so that tracks with what you were paying as well.",
"Laugh tracks suck.",
"Yeah that was my mistake, that’s what I assumed he/you were talking about. I was confused because even with a fairly severe drug habit a 30mg hydro like that had a kick to it. \n\nMerry Christmas, enjoy your holidays.",
" Haha, I think you have it right. It was definitely an M with a box around it. I appreciate you clearing this up. And sorry to hear about your chronic pain. I wish you all the best going forward and a sincere merry christmas.",
"You too! Merry Xmas!",
"Aww good ole Mimi!",
"+ basic instinct",
"Yeah and opiates immediately produce a feeling better than anything on planet earth. \n\nYou can be experiencing raw existential dread 24/7 and a shot of heroin will silence that shit.",
"Case in point, give cocaine a go.",
"That was pretty funny actually, British people are the least funny people in the world.",
"Comment from le Redditor is SO brave, amirite?",
"or her scene as a nudist in Mitchell and webb",
"Oh wow. Didn't know that. They're pretty good actors really. That show is IMO overall the funniest TV show ever made. Mark is my spirit animal.",
"> Yeah, she didn't TIFU\n\nReddit moment",
"I AOL'ed at this",
"Their “hits:” are so good I’m constantly reminded of them.",
"Yah that raccoon gets into some crazy trouble",
"Id say she succeeded. The amazing thing is how she continues to be able to play literally every possible kind of role, and nails each one. \n\nShe looks like a sexy schoolteacher but she’s a genius and a total freak. \n\nAnd if you can’t tell, yes, she’s my ideal woman.",
"lol",
"Apologies, but in my defence, I mainly knew of her from the radio where spelling isn't so important!",
"That's an odd addon, it shows you reddit posts of the video you're currently watching on youtube? Strange.",
"Really? For someone who could control their heroin use and used it only moderately and recreationally then that that christmas gift would've been the equivalent of giving a non-alcoholic person a bottle of their favorite liquor.",
"Ratchet And Clank is really good though Jak & Daxter was my favorite platformer-esque series.",
"Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6-XeyNMCJw",
"> British \"humor\"\n\nHumour.",
"Same show as Are We The Baddies?.",
"I remember one time I was dope sick and I parachuted three 30 mg oxycodone (yeah the \"blues\" but not the fentanyl shit, this was years ago), snorted three, and smoked two just because I liked smoking and why tf not.\n\nI was still dope sick... Finally found some heroin thankfully but I wasted like 150 bucks or something stupid when a 20 of H would have done 100x more. All of those pills are incredibly weak really!\n\nThis was well before fentanyl was in the dope as well, I can't imagine tolerances these days... I've been clean for three years... Just a few days ago actually is when I hit three years.",
"This is more of a \"my dad could get better prices and he's a pastor at the local church and doesn't do opiates\" kind of a situation though.",
"I find it so interesting how some people are able to do that. I’m in the other camp, when I was on the dope it consumed my whole life. For other people though, like you said it’s like a bottle of liquor to a nonalcoholic and they can take it or leave it. Just goes to show that some people have the disease of addiction and some don’t. Can’t say I’m not jealous of your self control though. I wish I could do heroin casually just every now and then, but unfortunately I’ll end up selling everything I own to buy more dope lmao",
"> I mean honestly you should be grateful for the coke, it’ll help balance all the heroine. \n\nThat's called a speedball and it's what killed just about every famous person who died of an overdose: Jerry Garcia, Chris Farley, John Belushi, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Mitch Hedberg, Michael K Williams, Jim Morrison (probably but no autopsy). \n \n So uh what I'm saying is don't do that. Please.",
"Meh, it feels good immediately but deep down you can also know it’s a lie. Because after it’s over you’re not happy it happened. Which ruins the experience once you understand that.\n\nIt’s synthetic enjoyment.",
"Narp",
"I know, I was just saying I've heard of people that do that, though it's much more rare than the stories of people addicted to it. I've never tried it and don't see myself doing so but I think you're right in that the people who can do it recreationally are not that abundant.",
"I’m literally rolling the the floor ROFLing right now.",
"Not to ruin your story, but Rachet and clank up your arsenal is the 3rd in the series, number 2 is ‘going commando’ or ‘locked and loaded’ (depending on your region) \n\nThey were the only games I had on my ps2 that didn’t suck",
"What's a scrub, Pssh",
"I've been to a laugh-track recording (for [Smack the Pony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nByciNNVYxw)). They give the audience fizzy wine beforehand to get them a little tipsy. There's a warmup act. And then they show a couple of episodes to a room of a few hundred people.",
"Oh my bad I thought you were saying you were one of those people. I’d recommend against trying heroin though, not a lot of people know this but it actually is not very good for you",
"That is so surprising to me... i only know her from mitchell and webb look, hot fuzz and broadchurch...",
"nice",
"Lemme guess, American?",
"Local sexpot goes out via autoerotic asphyxiation.",
"IIRC oc was smh @ TIFU lol!",
"Jez, mate can I ask you something?\nYeah sure mate anything.\nIs my bottom half on fire?",
"I think it’s more scary that the guy with the 5 pills a day habit apparently didn’t even know which pills it were",
"At first I WTFed but after I AFKed for a bit, I LOLed, and I'm still LOLing and I'm not even a LOLish person. I imagine everyone is LMFAOing at my witty remark.\n\n\nEtc...",
"I am ANANAL. Law is what I don't do.",
"Nice to see people are TILing.",
"God I love Mitchell and Webb 😍",
"My Gran started buying me all the discworld books whenever she found them in charity shops etc. \nTook me three years until I started reading them but damn was I happy that I had so many more to read!!\n\nI’m 28 now and I’m sat in a bobble hat she knitted for me for Christmas.\nGod bless Grandmas.",
"But you would defend it on any day other than Christmas? Maybe just look up what the word inspired actually means next time you go to use it.",
"You must be fun at parties. I bet nobody even gives you heroin. I bet you get stuck with stupid cocaine.",
"People do and have done drugs. Reddit is made of people with no discrimination.",
"I have extensive experience playing Dope Wars, and I can confirm Cocaine is the most expensive and profitable drug.",
"FFS, how much more of this do we have to endure?",
"He also wrote 'The Entire History of You' episode of Black Mirror.",
"Huh? How is that odd? It replaces the YT comments with any post it's had on Reddit. I'd rather read those discussions.",
"Definitely but alcohol is also very bad too and that's imbibed ad nauseam.",
"Nothing like getting those sweet upvotes at the expense of looking illiterate.",
"I tried cocaine once.\n\nFinally broke up with my girlfriend that I'd been putting off for months and then had an amazing run of PUBG all night.\n\nHaven't done it since because I feel like I could achieve the same feeling by just shotgunning three cans of Red Bull and I felt like kind of an asshole in the morning.\n\nThat being said, definitely try cocaine at least once.",
"Since always.",
"Or sheltered",
"sounds good to me :)",
"I gotta tell you, if you're British and you grew up seeing her doing sketch shows and comedies for over a decade first, the weird part is seeing her as a big time hollywood name now.",
"I bet lol. Is it like you can't take her seriously or??? I'd just be thinking back like \"Oh I remember when Queen Elizabeth used to not be such a stuck-up\"",
"I guess imagine if someone like Kate McKinnon started doing serious biopics and you had to frame her in a Daniel-Day Lewis kind of mindset from now on, lol",
"It's that or irrelevant.",
"The dirty 30’s now refers to all the pressed pills with fetty, or now the zene class.",
"Hey man, congratulations on getting/staying clean. If you’ve never been through a case of the WD(withdrawals) nobody will understand the pure agony of it. I can’t think any much in life that is about unbearable than WDs. The length and severity of all the symptoms at once is fucking hell on Earth. Depression, restless legs/arms, puking nonstop to where it’s painful, so dam tired/exhausted but absolutely impossible to sleep, anxiety so intense your heart fells like it’s beating out your chest, your cold but sweat so intensely, bone pain, diarrhea nonstop, etc. all those symptoms nonstop for weeks will drive the toughest individual to being a baby and pleading for it to stop.\n\nSo it is a major accomplishment to overcome that adversity and stay clean! Congratulations on doing it!\n\n🤙🤙",
"What a gem."
] | 377 | videos | Heroin Christmas |
https://youtu.be/MYNWvgBpW8U | /r/videos/comments/robz3y/duke_nukems_christmas_message/ | [
"I hope we one day get another decent Duke Nukem game.",
"The makers of [prodeus](https://store.steampowered.com/app/964800/Prodeus/) could make an INCREDIBLE Duke Nukem game.",
"Ion Fury is pretty good. It's not Duke, but it's getting there.",
"Always bet on Duke!\n\nHail to the king baby.",
"I've got balls of steel."
] | 5 | videos | Duke Nukem's Christmas Message |
https://youtu.be/tgnk7fjfPpo | /r/videos/comments/roc7lo/my_65_year_old_dad_makes_guitar_finger_picking/ | [
"Your Dad just got a new sub!",
"Awesome! Merry Christmas!",
"thanks! i know he records these with no real expectation anyone will see, but he gets a real kick out of it when people do watch!",
"Very cool!",
"Nicely done! And subbed! \n\nI'm also an old guy who plays guitar. He did Sugar Plum Fairy beautifully! I also liked his Linus and Lucy. I play it in a different key so it was neat to see how he approached it.",
"He's got good technique, and it was pretty relaxing to listen to! Has he played guitar for long?\n\nHopefully I can pick up some techniques along the way!",
"somewhere around 50 years! he had a stroke a while back and was frustrated about getting his fingers working again, but it seems to be going along well",
"He is really good. Never heard Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies acoustically. Sounds awesome!",
"That was epic \\m/",
"That was so nice!",
"It's a great video, but how many times are you going to post it here?",
"Sorry. A mod deleted the first post because the title was bad I think? So only one post of it currently exists. I just wanted to share my dads fingerstyle so I tried again after it got deleted...",
"Nice playing and nice Larrivée shirt.",
"ha I'll pass that on :)",
"I hope you're taking advantage of having such a talented dad and taking lessons from him.",
"i did cello instead. having your teacher in your house with you all the time no thanks lol.",
"What brand is his guitar? I really love the fret markers and inlay on it.",
" a larrivee pv or lv 10 acoustic electic i believe. https://www.larrivee.com/deluxe",
"I thought it was gonna be the 28 days later theme song at first. In a house-in a heart beat. Have him do that one.",
"That was really good",
"I'd totally buy that album!",
"\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/\\\\m/",
"Oh that’s nice. Is there an accurate tab available?"
] | 24 | videos | My 65 Year Old Dad Makes Guitar Finger Picking Vids! Merry Christmas ! |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rocgnu/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rocgnu/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Absolute pure class.",
"Awesome",
"What an awesome thing to acknowledge the hard work that rest of the swings put in too",
"Besides Hugh Jackman and Keanu Reeves, who else would be a member of Hollywood's Holy Trinity of wholesome?",
"Isn’t that the job?",
"Tom Hanks",
"Well, wouldn't Tom Hanks round out that trio?",
"She hadn't learned that role until that exact same day.",
"Hugh Jackman is one of the few Hollywood folks that you can just tell is a genuinely good human being.",
"Just wait.",
"No. She knew the role. She hadn’t rehearsed it yet.",
"Hugh my G, if I spot ya in a bar — I got da casa amigos for ya, juuu heard."
] | 12 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtu.be/4ns4wvFmRQE | /r/videos/comments/rocrmc/as_promised_an_orchestral_arrangement_of_richard/ | [
"Bravo!",
"That is awesome thanks for doing that as you can tell it really meant a lot to him. Thanks for being a great person willing to make things happen!",
"The update I was waiting for. Love it!",
"Awww!!! I love his response. This is so wholesome. Thanks for posting, OP.",
"Thanks for following along! Merry Christmas!",
"I was so hoping I would hear this. Thank you and great work to both of you!",
"As promised to whom? Nobody gives a fuck.",
"Someone's having a rough Christmas huh? \n\nThe earlier post of this guy was on the front page and was hugely popular, no need to be a Grinch about it.",
"But the follow up videos have not. Wish redditors would stop their pathetic attempts to make this guy go viral. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great singer, but redditors circlejerking about this guy in a blatant attempt to farm karma is just grotesque.",
"Aw man I hoped they may have been, I do feel kinda bad for the guy.",
"Touch grass",
"Username checks out.",
"Who knew 2021 would produce a new Christmas Classic! \n\nWell done!",
"This is amazing, I love it!",
"Wow barely any views on this or comments. No respect. I remember this post a couple weeks ago and it’s awesome you came through. I think he’s right, his voice probably isn’t as great as 40-50 years ago but I dabble in music and I heard what you said you heard in your comment on the previous post. He has a great ear for music and his singing struck a chord with me as well.",
"He says it in the first couple sentences, chill the fuck out",
"What follow up videos? The top comment on the other post said he loved the guys singing and original composition so much he wanted to add an orchestra to it. So this is now that post. Seriously wtf are you on about?",
"This is beautiful - I’ve listened 3 times already.",
"No idea what you're even on about.",
"See? Nobody gives a fuck.",
"The format and quality of his videos clearly shows that he isn't looking for youtube fame. Let him be whoever he wants to be and stop trying to make him famous.",
"mad respect broski <3",
"i do :) stop being a dildo mate",
"nice, i followed you just to see the promised product. Very good, very wholesome :D",
"It’s ok guys, *OldVegetableDildo* just alternates between spreading pro-Chinese propaganda for social credits, then comes to misc subs to level out their activity so people don’t accuse them of being the shill they are. And every sub this *dildo* graces, the comments are the same. “wHo cArEs?1?” “nObOdY gIvEs a fUcK”. It’s entertaining lol.",
"See? Nobody gives a fuck.",
"Nobody cares about out you.",
"Nice, solid come back 👍",
"To bad his facebook has some pretty unkind things on it....",
"I literally am talking to him on Facebook right now because he messaged me, he is interviewing to be on America’s Got Talent, he is quite literally looking to be famous despite what you say, and is very excited about the attention people are giving. I just love his music and wanted to bring it to life, not trying to get any attention myself. Hence why the YT channel has no other work of mine.\n\nAnd here you are, just being negative. Waiting for your usual response: “No one gives a fuck”, or “Who cares?”.",
"It must be so nice to go about life completely shunning anyone who’s done wrong. It’s Christmas.",
"Just that giving people with very bad messages of hate a megaphone is not usually a good idea.",
"But that’s the thing. He doesn’t use his platform to spread “very bad messages of hate”. He sings old classic tunes. \n\n*You* guys went to his Facebook and scrolled back *months* to find those comments. \n\nI disagree with those statements whole-heartedly. But that is a single aspect of this man, with the others being much more positive and redeeming; and in my opinion, far outweigh some private bigoted statements.\n\nAll we can do is shine our light and hope others do the same. I’m not a judge, jury, and executioner.",
"I do! :)",
"Its very hard to enjoy the music/songs of someone who wishes horrible things against you...\n\nGuess you are not one of the people he wishes to go to hell and burn.",
"Good for you. Maybe go pay him a visit or something then instead of trying to use him to get karma on reddit.",
">he is interviewing to be on America’s Got Talent\n\n🤮",
"I don’t think really think it’s your position to tell others what to do. Kinda sad you think you’re the sheriff of Reddit. Plus, what karma? Barely anyone saw this, I did this to give him a gift, not karma.",
"I’ll quote you in your last comment.\n\n>Let him be whoever he wants to be",
"I actually am one of the demographics he said horrible things about. But I have the capacity to forgive.",
"You are stronger than me then.",
"Fair enough.",
">Plus, what karma? Barely anyone saw this\n\nSee? Nobody gives a fuck.",
"I do :)",
"Good for you dude. Probably made it the best Christmas the guy's had in a long time.",
"This is fantastic. Really great work!",
"Keep doing the great work dude. Some people just can’t separate art from the artist \n\nImo if people can still be fans of Michael Jackson(possible pedo), Kobe Bryant(was in court for murder), & Mike Tyson(literally bit part of a dude’s ear off out of frustration during a match)\n\nthen personally I can be a fan of an old guy making great music no matter what he says in his personal life as long as I never have to meet him & hear whatever he says about my race to my face",
"Reminder bot brought me back here. Mad respect for delivering!! Good job! Very nice decrescendo at the end, let him have the stage. I like it.",
"Reminder bot brought me back today. More are incoming. I think.",
"Aw I love this so much! You're both wonderful!",
"Same, so haply this worked out!",
"Really nice! ❤️"
] | 66 | videos | As promised, an orchestral arrangement of Richard Norman’s “Have An Old Fashioned Christmas”. |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/roe1bw/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/roe1bw/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Jesus, that was awful.",
"holy fuck. this is fucking impressive. its incomprehensible how someone could make something this bad.",
"I see the poster is downvoting our fact filled comments, so here's an upvote.",
"Sick"
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"My ADHD ass overthinking every movement to maximize efficiency and make it as robotic as fucking possible.",
"Thank you. Now I can leave this room I've been trapped in for most of my life.",
"Whoa whoa slow down, this is too confusing.",
"Whoa now hold up, I need subtitles and a blond wig."
] | 4 | videos | How to open doors. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro2h18N2B0I | /r/videos/comments/roehj0/ding_fries_are_done/ | [
"[The original](https://youtu.be/ZvvHXjKloNs)",
"The South Park special Cartoon Wars really captures just how lazy the writing on Family Guy is",
"You think that’s bad? Remember the time Mohammad gave me a salmon helmet?",
"This made me feel so old.",
"This particular example is maybe one of the first ever instances of this. When this family guy clip was created, we didn't even have the word \"meme\", and internet \"memes\" like this were RARE and everyone would have heard about it. Trending memes would last months before a new one took its place.",
"> we didn't even have the word \"meme\"\n\nThe word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins, originating from his 1976 book The Selfish Gene. [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)",
"**[Meme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)** \n \n >A meme ( MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"Cool. We didn't use it back then",
"YTMND was like its own noun at the time, in the way meme is now",
"Old family guy was great but like many shows that last forever, it has drastically fallen off",
" south park animation is woeful",
"Those goddamn manatees...",
"Writing =/= animation",
"That has nothing to do with the writing on Family Guy but ok. And their animat isn't supposed to be good because it's never been a focal point like it is in other animated shows. Like Dr Katz, the writing is the strength.",
"Love it. Is this canon or fanmade?",
"This was an episode. Early seasons",
"So Trey and Matt did it shit on purpose?",
"*Oh no they killed Kenny* hilarious",
"They haven’t done that since season 5 which came out in 1997, you might need to update yourself before criticising",
"I'm not sure why, but the idea of Family Guy \"canon\" is really upsetting to me",
"*Timmeah*",
"lol",
"Obviously. Have your never seen Dr Katz or Science Court? Intentionally lousy animation is a way of showing good animation isn't necessary when the writing is strong, and it's a lot cheaper and, in the case of South Park, faster. They would never be able to stay so current with their episodes if they had top-notch animation.",
"[It's a parody of a skit from 1993 that got posted to the internet before around 2001 and became an early \"viral video\"](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ding-fries-are-done)\n\nBut remember when you read this, \"spastic\" was just a version of R-slur, so the video is actually very mean-spirited. The voice affectation is also meant to demean the mentally disabled.",
"Hey Lois, remember the time.......",
"The character design in Dr Katz is much more creative than SP",
"Lol, ok bud.",
"9",
"> R-slur\n\nWriting word retarted is now offensive?",
"The good ol' days",
"Is there anyway to say it's insensitive to you that you wouldn't be contentious with?",
"well spastic is real condition and it should be avoided but on the retard issue i am more meh",
"Fad of inventing new taboo words on the spot, turning slurs into profanity, is not about insensitivity.",
"So nothing can prove you wrong, huh?",
"I'm sensitive when someone uses the word retard as a slur.\nSomeone getting offended when they see the word retard can also offend people, like words cunt, fuck, shit, etc. But they are offended because they see the word as profanity, not as an insult. Insulting requires intention.",
"You're holding presumptions in your arguments. I'm asking you if there is anything that could prove you wrong.",
"I'm not denying the mere utterance word can be insensitive to someone, if that is what you mean.",
"Then I think you're just being overly sensitive to someone trying to be polite about the word, not that that is setting a precedent for all language use. In English, \"Retard\" - more often than not - is used to denigrate people.",
"They're ones to talk. \n\nTo be clear, I think Family Guy is an embarrassment, but so is South Park ever since it became @Trey_and_Matts_Libertarian_Opinions",
"The piss-poor writing you employed in this sentence is funny; the video is not."
] | 40 | videos | Ding, fries are done! |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEwbocwYF8 | /r/videos/comments/rof0j9/quick_d_the_great_british_fake_off/ | [
"I know it’s cheaper to pay a visual effects person just over minimum wage to erase “Bake Off” and dual shoot whatever scenes have the copyright infringement, but it just feels…*dirty*. \nHow about we don’t give massive corporations the financial rights to everyday words and phrases to begin with?",
"hey would you look at that. a cgmatter thumbnail made it into the video",
"He’s so ridiculously talented at vfx, cannot imagine how long these videos take to produce",
"Indeed. Man this feels so pointless.",
"They could have fought it in court but I am willing to bet that would have cost more than the solution they went with and they might have lost.",
"Based on his upload schedule, I'd say 3 months.",
"£2 = ✌️^-1 = ~🖕",
"This is what freedom feels like",
"Excuse me, I’m off to make my fortune by manufacturing trophies out of microwave turntables.",
"What you’re proposing is un-American and I’m going to have to ask you to leave, sir or madam.",
"**NEIN**…*Comrade*",
"Real freedom is getting the bootleg Betamax tape copy shipped accross the Atlantic. Then transfering them to VHS so my VHS to DVD writer can make sweet DVDs. Then I take that and put it in my computer cup tray and translate that into an MPEG file.\n\nI just posted the whole thing ony friends BBS. We are bringing back the truely fractured internet.",
"TIL: Pillsbury is a dick.",
"Capitalists taking a knee for other capitalists. Piece of cake",
"Exactly. 'Bake off' here (the Netherlands) just means any product that you buy to bake off at home (or in a store and so on). Trademarking a general description of things is so utterly stupid. \n\nTrademarking 'bake off' feels like trademarking 'hot water' or something equally silly.",
"Freedom isn't free \nIt costs folks like you and me \nAnd if we don't all chip in \nWe'll never pay that bill",
"What's the context of this? I'm guessing the British don't typically pay for autographs? Was there a specific story to this remark?",
"For the British, that particular hand gesture, with the index and middle fingers raised, is rude. It's akin to the middle finger.",
"It's not the words that are the issue, it's sticking up two fingers (think reverse 'victory' sign). It's like a 'fuck you' sign used in the UK, it supposedly goes back to how the English taunted the French by showing them two fingers demonstrating they could still operate a longbow.",
"Sorry to say that the whole showing two fingers is not true. The V sign is more friendly than the middle finger, it’s something you would do if you tripped in front of your mates.",
"*corporations",
"It's been a rotten Christmas but Captain D showing up makes me smile.",
"> Trademarking 'bake off' feels like trademarking 'hot water' or something equally silly.\n\nFunny example, because there is a [Scrooge McDuck comic where he patents hot water](https://inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2190-4) so that everyone who makes tea or takes a shower has to pay him money",
"It's definitely not historically friendly, pretty much equivalent to a middle finger these days; but it all depends on context.",
"So did Disney pay Pillsbury?",
"What would yoe doe",
"It's a problem with video games too. Be prepared to hear from lawyers if the title of your game include basic words like scroll, prey, candy, saga, etc. You can fight in court and probably win, but if you're a small indie dev, your time and money are better spent elsewhere.",
"[Relevant](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/03/16/bethesda-and-mojang-settle-scrolls-lawsuit/?sh=3795289a7e35) lawsuit.",
"the v sign facing you is like the middle finger",
"Wow, that case was a big deal at the time but it occurs to me now that the companies on both sides of that case are subsidiaries owned by Microsoft these days. If the case was reopened it would be Microsoft vs. Microsoft.",
"> it supposedly goes back to how the English taunted the French by showing them two fingers demonstrating they could still operate a longbow.\n\nNonsense.",
"Like the company that tried to trademark Taco Tuesday...",
"It's not silly. If you had a brand called \"Hot Water\", then you wouldn't want someone else to sell a similar product under the same brand. Or let's say you make a movie called \"Hot Water\". You probably would want to get exclusive rights to make \"Hot Water 2\". \n\nThe real problem are the lawyer fees that have to be paid for frivolous cases. That means rich companies can simply threaten to sue even if their case is very weak.",
"[\"Hot Water\" is a trademark of ConSeal International Incorporated](https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77204179&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch)",
"God I miss scrolls. I love digital card games and that one was SO GOOD",
"I hope things get better",
"That’s the name of my new game; The Candy Scroll Saga",
"It is now that they got the D",
"Your argument convinced me trademarks and patent laws are fucking stupid. Congrats.",
"Was there a reason that trademark was granted then? Like had they hosted competitions with that name or something?",
"I think giving your brand a generic name is on you. The law is not moral or just in this case, it's driven by a small group of extremely wealthy companies.",
"If you walked into a \"Home Depot\" that was run by a different company and filled with shoddy materials, you'd be unhappy. If you bought \"DDR5\" ram that actually referred to the 5th Double Data Rate version of some different, slower standard, you'd be unhappy.\n\nWe can probably agree that if legally protecting \"double data rate RAM\" is one end of the scale, doing it to \"bakeoff\" is on the other end, next to trademarking the word \"the\". It's a perfectly good concept that's been pushed to a moronic extreme.",
"Two fingers, palm facing towards the other person = Peace sign\n\nTwo fingers, palm facing towards yourself = Fuck you\n\nAt least in the UK",
"Yes, did I not explain the difference in my first comment?",
"Italian Disney comics are such a strange rabbit hole.\n\n[Here's a fun one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/hg9vbo/italian_disney_comics_mickey_mouse_marries_or_the/)",
"corporation = bad",
"Probably just big enough to ignore it.",
"I work in reality tv and can attest that this happens waaaaaay more often than anyone notices.",
"Come on though, context absolutely matters here.\n\nI've \"flicked the V\" at my friends in a joking manner just like I've called them cunts for a laugh in the past knowing fine well they're my friends and we can have that sort of banter with one another.\n\nBut if you \"flick the V\" in the UK to a stranger on the street you'll likely provoke a pretty angry glare or a \"fuck off\" in response at the least or an argument or fight will break out at worst.",
"Yeah sorry but that’s what I meant, I would never do it to people in the street for the reason that you stated.",
"Absolutely this, it makes me wish they were ridiculously petty and did something along the lines of “BakeOff” instead of “Bake Off”, or inserted a hyphen, slash, dash or some other arbitrary piece of punctuation just to force Shillsbury to try to take them to court.",
"It’s a form of visual swearing, just like the middle finger. It’s only used in jest if you’re using it in jest - again, much like the middle finger.",
"Yes it was.",
"Don't forget Space Marine, or Takes Two, or Donkey Kong\n\n(Sweet Jesus there were a lot of frivolous lawsuits)",
"WTF",
"I think different well-publicized baking competitions both named \"Bake Off\" is fair grounds to claim confusion. It's not like they're firing off Cease & Desist letters to every church fund raiser.",
"The US is actually pretty lenient on this. In most of Europe you can't even compare your product to a competitor by name. Let alone use the same words.",
"Yes. They have done a (nearly) annual Pillsbury Bake-Off since the 1940s. It is a pretty big competition ($1 million grand prize).",
"Yes, they did. Starting in 1949 and as recently as 2019.",
"I like thus guy and his videos",
"What happened to it?",
"Disney following copyright law would be more noteworthy than them flagrantly ignoring it",
"I'm pretty sure you're just translating it literally. It just doesn't work like that. \nI know that 'afbakken' = to bake. \nBake-off comes from cook-off and that comes from playoff. \n \nIt has nothing to do with 'to bake off'. That just make any sense if you translate it like that to Dutch and vice versa.",
"They get around that by saying \"other competing brands\" or \"leading X product\" calling their competitors \"ordinary\" while their product is the shit etc.\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDCAEyLABo\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxhSN34uvAE",
"Brave! (Don't sue me Disney)",
"It's true papi.",
"Do VFX people really earn so little?",
"It shows the bottom 10% of Netflix employees make approximately 25K a year, I just don’t imagine they’re bringing in the top brass to remove trademarked words off glass plates to circumvent copyright lawsuits.",
"It’s got a disclaim and a very specific class of “*Nutritionally-enhanced bottled water*”. Never heard of them, but if they are popular in that niche space, I can see how you making your own nutritionally enhanced bottled water and calling it the same thing could cause brand confusion 🤷🏻♂️",
"I've always disliked this guy. Really don't see the appeal",
"Trademarks are stupid until you spend your life building a brand and somebody starts an identical company with the same name and rips people off and all your customers stop shopping at your store because they all think it’s you.",
"But they're PEOPLE",
"I see many angry opposing fans holding up the ✌️ in just about every English football game I watch. And they're not looking too friendly as they do it, since there's usually yelling and defined neck veins when it happens.",
"Yes.",
"Why is the bottom half of his face spray painted silver?... What's the point? lol. \"Time to make a video, gotta paint my face so I stand out!\"",
"You wouldn't be able to trade mark \"Hot Water\" with relation to water. If Apple were a fruit vendor they wouldn't have been able to trademark their brand name but since they are a hardware vendor they can.\n\nTrademark and patent laws still are fucking stupid, but not *quite* that stupid.",
"Trademark, not copyright.",
"Why does every Goddamn corporation have to behave like such CUNTS all the time?",
"It says this video is blocked by a copyright claim from the Pillsbury Company. (???) Anyone have a link to a mirror?",
"Ooh right I forgot Pillsbury was supposed to be hated.",
"Except [someone already did exactly that.](https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77204179&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch)",
"Expect to be hearing from Captain C & D soon",
"I guess trademark law is that stupid.",
"No one knows for sure whether it's true or not, but there's absolutely no evidence that it is, папа.",
"Personally this is why I think all lawsuits like this sort should automatically require the person submitting the lawsuit to cover all legal fees if they lose. Want to sue someone for using Saga in their title? Okay, but be prepared to pay for all of their legal fees and potential damaged.",
"What's not to like?",
"Guess you have no idea how R&D works, huh? You probably think video games cost $60 just to cover the cost of printing the disc and case?",
"That implies that he's working nonstop. It could take him just a week of work but doesn't feel like uploading.",
"I love when the D shows up.\nCapitan D that is.",
"The Most Underrated Chan ever",
"I love captain paint huffer.\n\nHis amazing visual work helps so much when explaining things.\n\nAlways get excited when he posts new content.",
"lmao",
"whats the point of anything\n\nwhy be such an insufferable asshole",
"\\- May I present to you, the United States of America!\n\n\\- Thanks, I hate it.",
"The funny part about this is that he was actually the vfx artist for the show",
"He's Mr. Explain in the UK.",
"Even shows, BBC Bargain Hunt has a 30min and 60min version of each episode.",
"Did you watch this video? It's only 4 minutes, one of his shortest, and explains an interesting niche phenomenon of human energy waste due (predominately) to capitalism.",
"That wouldn't really make sense for monetization, he'd purposely be making less money.",
"Why?",
"You got down-voted a lot. I get why, it reads as mocking, and I guess people didn’t like that. No one actually answered your (hopefully genuinely honest) question and I also didn’t know but wanted to, so I googled it. Here is your answer:\n\nTLDR is that he originally did it for a project he was working on, then it just became part of his persona. He kept it as it allowed him to be unique, and it worked. It’s been part of his persona ever since.",
"Unless he has another job and the videos are just a hobbie. Considering how talented he is, he probably would work in the vfx industry in some capacity",
"Because some markets have more time to burn on bullshit tv shows",
"Back the fuck off Bargain Hunt.",
"lmao ok, sorry!",
"And Comrade Pizdets in Russia",
"Wait when the fuck did this happen?! I swear it was called bake off on Netflix...",
"Why? They've been doing their bake off since the 40s. Why would another company get to come in and use their brand?\n\nTrademarks aren't that big of a deal. It's just to help ensure there isn't confusion between products.\n\nE: Pillsbury is a dick for owning the trademark in the US but let's see who owns it in the UK?\n\nhttps://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003198192\n\nHmmm",
"Or ugg boots - oh wait, some seppo shitcunts did that and a seppo shitcunt judge approved it.",
"If you think the average person attributes the term \"bake off\" to Pillsbury you are straight up ignorant.",
"Pillsbury was first. That's just how these things work. It's not some evil conspiracy lol.",
"Bake off isn't a brand, it's a generic term for a competition where your sport of choice is baking.\n\nYou could do a build off, or a swim off, or a cook off, etc.",
"He has full time work",
"Unfortunately your opinion isn't reality.",
"Wow rude",
"It's not so crazy. They did invent the phase \"bake off\" to mean a baking competition and they've been doing the Pillsbury Bake Off fairly regularly since the 1940s. You could probably argue in court that the phrase \"bake off\" has become generic so the trademark isn't valid anymore and you'd probably win, but nobody really wants to go to court.",
"Most of the blame goes to the structure of copyright and trademark law. \n\nYou can't really fault corporations from being dicks, it's like the scorpion and the frog, but you can fault the legislators that enable corporations to be huge dicks.",
"Sometimes he streams his work on discord to patreon. I remember watching him spend an hour or more on some tiny little thing that flashes on the screen for less than a second that literally no one would notice. The attention to detail that goes into this is insane, and most people probably don't appreciate it to the full extent.",
"This guy has made some of the best content on YouTube for years and years. They’re well researched and well made.\n\nBut why does he still insist on that dreadful makeup? It’s not like it looked cool when it started and it’s just fallen out of fashion. It looked stupid the first time. It’s looked stupid every time. It adds nothing and is only a distraction, and to be honest, one of the reasons I didn’t discover his channel sooner is the makeup looks so absurdly bad. I would surmise that I’m not alone and that’s the culprit for why his channel is perennially “underrated”.\n\nKeep everything else the same, just for the love of god, stop with the silver face paint like a Raiders fan.",
"Don’t forget about patents like loading screen mini games (Namco) or having an arrow above your character pointing to the objective (Sega).",
"Corporate Personhood is solely to not have to re-write all contract law.\n\nThe idea that they should be given political voice is the problem. That's stupid. Any shareholder or stakeholder in a company, that is a registered voter in America, already has their own political voice.",
"You are right, but based on my understanding of trademark law, they can be challenged if they have become generic.",
"If you think the average person attributes the term \"Apple\" to Apple Inc. you are straight up ignorant.",
"What is the problem with trademark law?",
"Trademark Law obligates companies to protect their trademark.",
"When has Disney ignored copyright law?",
"I hope this is satire because it's a terrible analogy.",
"Just because it's been trademarked doesn't mean much. \"Hot Water\" would probably not hold up in court.",
"Why?",
"That's a very complicated process and probably not worth going through when you can just give your product a slightly different name.",
"How is it rude to not enjoy someone's content",
"The content is always interesting and intriguing. It's the presentation I don't enjoy",
"Yeah, that's not rude either. And I'm not talking about him personally. It's the character. Again, rude is the wrong word",
"It definitely used to be... I don't know when it was changed.",
"Because it has no relevance at all to the point I made. \n\n\"Bake off\" may have originally been a Pillsbury thing, but it's entered the dictionary as a generic term now, and there have been precedents in the past to invalidate the trademark (e.g. escalator, trampoline, there's a whole Wikipedia article listing these if you're interested).\n\nMy argument wasn't \"tRaDeMaRk BaD\", it was that the specific term \"bake off\" is stupid to still hold sway for Pillsbury given its colloquial use.\n\nI truly don't know what you were getting at by referencing Apple because it doesn't make any sense in that context.",
"Good point. Also, is it even true that bake-off is that common of a term? I have only heard it in relation to the show.",
"Dunno why you're getting downvoted this is completely true.\n\nSupermarket companies in the UK even just compare prices by colour (Green for asda, blue tesco, orange sainsburys etc) without technically mentioning other brand names.",
"Problem then hits the other way. \n\nSay that some small developer makes a game called “Fight for the Frozen Zone”, and then a AAA developer releases “Frozen Zone Fighters”. \n\nIf the small dev knows there’s even the remotest of remote chances they’d have to pay the legal fees incurred by the AAA company (who’d likely blow through more cash paying their lawyers than the small dev ever had), wouldn’t they just say to ‘screw it’ rather than risk it?",
"Any evidence of that? To me it looks like they were just the first huge company that was successfully able to copyright “bake off”. But certainly not the first to the the term, commercially or otherwise...",
"It's a trademark, not copyright. Very different things. And the evidence is the fact they have a trademark.\n\nIt's just how these things work. They had a show called Bake Off long before GBBO. It's absolutely stupid to think one company is a dick for having a trademark another company wanted.",
"That’s what sucks though.. the reality that we as a society actually wouldn’t necessarily let people do this, but it’s too time consuming/expensive to fight a corporate entity through the public judicial system so we just give in.",
"My new game is The Candy Scroll Saga Farm. I'll see you in court.",
"How common the term is doesn't exactly matter either. \"Friday's\" is trademarked. It doesn't mean they're suing anyone that's trying to use the word Friday. Just can't open a restaurant using that name",
"Both Apple and Bake-off are generic terms, but Apple is trademarked when it comes to Computers and Software, while bake-off is trademarked when it comes to arranging baking contests.\n\nIt's not as if you immediately lose your trademark when it becomes used generically by the public. In the escalator example, the company itself used the word generically. Also i don't think the term bake-off is even that widely used. The show seems to be what popularized it.",
"I didn't expect to watch a 40 minute video covering the sfx of Flight of the Navigator, but I loved every second of it.",
"The corporations buy legislators to enable them, i.e. legislative capture. Corporations are made up of people, they're not a force of nature, so of course you can blame them.",
"Makes sense. I think people are confused because \"Friday's\" or \"Apple\" refer to pretty different areas, but Bake-Off refers to a baking contest.",
"I’m working on a new game called candy crush. It’s like Tetris, but with candy.",
"which is why I always found it odd when you see all those crappy mobile games called things like grand theft wheelman city global offensive and stupid shit like that.",
"He did a video on why he tortures himself with that makeup. Forget which one but he explains it all.",
"Disney wrote copyright law. Lol",
"Untrue. Altough i agree their extensions are too much.",
"Nice",
"You've been mildly rude and ignorant here, not them. This person is allowed not to like something that others (like myself) do enjoy. They never said anything disparaging about it, just that they personally didn't understand the appeal. They're also allowed to share that opinion to find like minded folks, get input on why people do like him, etc. \n\nHappy Holidays!",
"Is this a joke or a genuine question? \n\nAssuming you're serious, the short answer is that, as this video aptly demonstrates, it allows companies to arbitrarily claim common language, and to extort individuals and others who use them. \n\nThere's no connection between a baking show and the brand that was mentioned, and no way there could possibly be any confusion or harm to their brand. And yet because of the threat of costly legal action the showrunners had to jump through hoops for no reason, when in reality the other company had no reasonable justification to ever trademark the term \"Bake Off\" in the first place.\n\nMoreover, it's also absurdly anticompetitive and arbitrary towards actual competition. To use one example, if you sell a burger that weighs a quarter of a pound, there is no good reason why you should not be able to describe it as a \"Quarter Pounder\", as that's literally what it is. However, that term is actually trademarked by McDonald's in the US (though not in the EU I believe). By that logic you might as well just trademark the terms \"burger\" or \"fries\" instead. As such, companies are essentially claiming language, concepts, and objects which simply do not and cannot possibly belong to them.\n\nThat's not to say that there aren't trademarks that genuinely deserve to be protected from imitation or infringement, but the current system is self-evidently rife with abuse and utterly broken (as are copyright and patent law, for that matter).",
"I'm fairly sure that one subsidiary of a company suing another happens semi-regularly.",
"That outro music👌",
"You'll get it one day. I wish you well :)",
"I hope not.",
"> Pillsbury Bake-Off\n\nReally feels like that should be the trademark, and nothing less.",
"The best-known controversy is [whether Disney copied The Lion King from an anime called Kimba the White Lion.](https://screenrant.com/lion-king-copy-kimba-disney-controversy-explained/)\n\nIt's pretty unthinkable that they weren't aware of Kimba.\n\nBut the real thing that I think irritates most people is not them ignoring copyright, but not playing fair. Most of their IP originally comes from the public domain, but they lobby hard to try to make it so that the IP that they created never enters the public domain.",
"Captian D is just one of those YouTube channels where there's just never enough content, you're always left craving more. \n\n**If you make it, we will watch.**",
"The Kimba comparison is really more of a myth than anything. There's a good video that breaks it down here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4\n\nBasically, most of the similar shots that get brought up are based on the Kimba movie...released AFTER the Lion King. In the original TV show, there are dozens and dozens of episodes and inevitably some similar shots do appear. But the tone, style, story, etc. are pretty much completely different. Also, as for the name -- Simba is just Swahili for lion, which is probably where Kimba comes from, too. So it's not impossible there was some influence but not nearly as much as people like to believe.",
"Donkey Kong sort of makes sense at least.\n\nIt's pretty obvious that its a reference to King Kong. Nintendo won because Universal themselves argued previously that the name was public domain. Had they not done so Nintendo very well might have lost.\n\nSpace Marine and Takes Two though are so bloody generic its ridiculous. Particularly Takes Two.",
"USA sucks corporate chode. It's embarrassing.",
"I appreciate you answering him because I was curious lol. I will say that I personally don't care for it, although I like his content, but the optics make it hard to get in to. Your explanation helped me get over that a bit",
"I love captain D! I feel like Captain D is just complaining that this \"skill\" is used for what it was used for. Captain D has certainly spent WAAAAYYY more time analyzing a grainy nothingness on a 15 second clip of a possible UFO than Captain D did here. (which is me acknowledging that technology has changed so much that he just rolls his eyes at this type of \"video editing\" problem that was presented to him.) Keep it up Captain D i enjoy watching his spirt die slowly. over time. \n\nHowever. Who cares?!?! About corporations and all that garbage. You are literally on the most \"whatevered\" place of the internet. Corporations literally have control over so many things that you experience on the internet and in your day to day out in the world. its great! but its also terrible.",
"Kimba thing doesn't hold water, as the other guy explained. I agree that Disney's copyright extensions are too long. Altough at this point it seems there won't be anymore extensions.",
"The people that do this work are not working directly for Netflix. They're likely working through a production company that Netflix hires to do post production stuff",
"Fair enough",
"The Bake-off trademark is used for the Salisbury's Bake-Off contest, which is a public commercial baking contest. Not a show, but still similar. I don't see how there's no room for confusion. \n\nQuarter Pounder was not a term used for burgers before McDonalds, so i don't see how they shouldn't have that trademark. Bake off was not used for public commercial baking contests before the Salisbury Cook Off. It was not used for it in the UK before the show, which is why they own the trademark there.",
"There's a lot you're missing I think. The videos can take a long time to produce for a number of reasons like researching good topics, writing a script, recording (and if it's got outside footage, waiting for good weather), editing, vfx, sfx, and all the coordination you have to do with your team. I know I he has some people help him out on his videos, as he isn't just a one-man-band.\n\nI wouldn't say all that might take up 3 months, but he has little reason to upload infrequently outside of maintaining a standard bar of quality (which he certainly does).\n\n\\*also, these smaller videos are probably projects to break the drystreaks on longer videos. This probably didn't take 3 months to make but is something to keep us entertained whilst he does something for some other old vintage movie that he's doubtlessly going to do a deep dive on. \n\\*\\*also also, there's got to be countless videos that have been scrapped for one reason or another. Not everything makes it to print so to speak.",
"I've seen him even do TED talks. He must have much more than his YouTube channel going on.",
"This is the right answer. Pillsbury may well not care about this at all, but trademark law forces them to defend the trademark or lose it.",
"'Bake off\" is used untranslated in Dutch to describe the entire range of products that need, well, *afbakken*. It's a common term in retail and hospitality.\n\nA simple Google could have told you that, by the way.\n\nEdit: Downvoting doesn't make it less true...",
"If you watch the old vids it makes more sense. He’s basically a super hero on a fake kids’ educational show.",
"Always great videos!",
"I didn't even know in the US it had a different name.",
"Did you mean to post this somewhere else? This is a thread about a new Mister Explain video",
"Might be a hard concept to understand, but for some people \"having more money\" is not always their top priority in life. Especially once you already have more than most people.",
"It's Salisbury. But yes.",
"[here you go buddy](https://www.amazon.com/Standing-Rectangle-Dressing-Wall-Mounted-Aluminum/dp/B07L69XNYB/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?_encoding=UTF8&c=ts&keywords=Mirrors&qid=1640507821&s=furniture&sr=1-3&ts_id=3736371)",
"But isn’t that a different word? Or at least, a different use of the word. Because bake off in English literally refers to a baking competition.",
"More like more countries can legally fit as much advertising as possible in an hour.\n\nAn hour long BBC show would take nearly 2 hours to air in America with all their freedom breaks to be sold shit.",
"Hello Games got pushed for using the word Sky.",
"They fight this in multiple ways. The one everyone thinks of is them fighting to extend copyright laws so that Mickey doesn't enter Public Domain. The one I think is more sinister however is their relentless iterations of these Public Domain creations that lets them ostensibly control characters they don't own. Disney does not own the original stories of The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Snow White, Cinderella and Pinocchio, to name a few. But they own the rights to the versions of these characters they have created, and every time they create something new with their versions of these characters, they're extending and expanding the scope of their ownership. That means that with every new character design, every new sequel or adaptation, animated or live-action, they then get to add that to their collection of ideas that you cannot reference whatsoever were you or anyone else were to adapt the same work, and they will take you to court if you use anything that could possibly have been based on something they created for that character, even though they don't own the character itself. \n\nThis at first seems like a no-brainer, if they invented it, it's theirs. But take The Little Mermaid for example. Her name is Ariel right? No, Disney named her Ariel, she isn't named in the story. She has 6 sisters right? No, that's a Disney creation, in the original story only she only has 5. What are their names? Better not be a name starting with A because they're all unnamed in the book and Disney named all 7 Mermaid princesses with an A name. The original story has the prince fall in love with someone else and the mermaid dissolves into sea foam. If you want to use an ending that isn't exactly that you're gonna have to try real hard not to copy what Disney did and enter their IP realm. \n\nIt's why every non-Disney adaptation of Cinderella or Snow White is so drastically different stylistically from Disney versions. They can do the base story but you can't use anything that Disney has been pushing as the story for decades. They've been selling their version of Snow White for 85 years, but if you were to adapt the story today you can't use anything from those 8 decades of character development or iconography.",
"The Mandela effect.... Dun dun dun",
"That's fine until someone creates the Billsbury Bake-Off with a $1 prize and gets a bunch of baked goods for $1.",
"It doesn't obligate them to be a dick about it. They can have their lawyer write up a one pager granting for the use of the trademarked word(s) in a specific context by specific people.",
"Can you provide a source? How i understand it, a company has to reinforce the use as a brand name, and not use it in a generic capacity. I don't know how that would apply in this case, but it seems like it could cause a problem.",
"unironically yes",
"Anybody think it’s weird the guy has huffed so many cans of spray paint half his face is silver?",
"GBBO increased from 60 mins to 90mins when it moved from BBC to C4 because of all the advertising breaks.",
"Play-off was a word in common usage and “off” had *already* made the leap into a term for generic competitions, more specifically food competitions; the word “cook-off” was in common usage at the time. If the use of “off” to denote competitions was already part of language then it’s clearly not reasonable for corporations to just start trademarking iterations of an existing language feature.",
"Every term is an iteration of an existing language feauture. By this logic, crock-pot, IPhone or Pepsi Cola would be invalid trademarks.",
"Yeah, but his TED talks are usually the same kind of content as his youtube channel, with Captain D playing a role in them.",
"And not even a Quick D",
"he also goes by Captain Disillusion",
"Really bad examples. Putting “i” before products was done by a corporation specifically for the purpose of marketing. It is not a language feature that derives from organic language use. If you think that’s an example of the point made, you missed the point. And “Pepsi Cola”?! If you think putting a brand before a product is an organic language feature then you’ve not just missed the point, you’re not even in the same dimension as the point… I mean… what?! You’ve already been told no-one would have a problem with them trademarking “Pillsbury Bake-Off”. To make that equivalent, you’d have to allow Coca Cola to trademark “cola” when referencing a drink, something which, had they done, wouldn’t have even allowed “Pepsi Cola” to exist. That’s the whole point!",
"So did fuckin Microsoft of all companies, OneDrive was supposed to be called SkyDrive at first",
"Well Scrolls had to change it's name because of Bethesda. But that didn't really kill it. It just kinda faded away because it wasn't incredibly popular and wasn't updated very often.",
"Is that not already pretty much what happens, except it's about paying damages or whatever instead of legal fees?",
"That's kind of hilarious.",
"it's his brand.",
"I definitely walked into Sainsbury on Thursday and they had signs saying \"This product is Aldi price matched\"\n\n\nYou are absolutely allowed to name a competitor in UK advertising. But if you do so, you better hold cast iron evidence your claim is true. Companies usually avoid doing it because saying \"better than most leading brands\" gives you wiggle room if one competitor can prove they are better, also companies prefer not to give their competitors more brand awareness by naming them.\n\nInterestingly if they did what you say and use obvious colours of competitors then the law would treat the advert exactly as if they named them (the advertising code that make it clear you have to be able to prove your claim only cares for \"identified a competitor\" not \"names a competitor\")",
"All true, but I would still class the middle finger as more offensive then two fingers. Pretty much the physical equivalent of \"piss off\" vs \"fuck off\"",
"The short answer is no.\n\nWhile some low level vfx person in certainly not making 150k or whatever, they’re probably earning a living wage in a major city somewhere",
"In German we also have \"aufbacken\", which has nothing to do with a bake off. There is no real English translation, but it means to bake/finish baking pre-baked goods (e.g. frozen bread rolls).",
"It’s objectively bad",
"You ignored the Crock Pot example. The other ones were sort of weak i agree.\n\nChain Gun or Comic Con are better ones.\n\nBoth the UK and US granted the Bake off trademark. Your idea that being part of a language convention makes it invalid is just wrong.",
"The D stands for 'Deez Nuts'",
"Everyone loves the D",
"I heard he fakes all his videos with vfx",
"*Let's get this out onto a tray.*",
">Did you mean to post this somewhere else? This is a thread about a new Mister Explain video\n\nOnly if you have a VPN to another country",
"Luckily Nintendo had Mr Kirby to defend them.",
"did you mean to reply to someone else?",
">hobbie",
"Not sure what you were even going for with crock pot tbh. Are you saying that putting crock before words was a trend prior to crock pot? \n\n> Comic Con\n\nThat’s not a great example because it also has a fair amount of controversy, prior use and ambiguity:\n\nhttps://www.wnlaw.com/blog/curious-case-comic-con-comic-con/\n\n> Your idea that being part of a language convention makes it invalid is just wrong.\n\nNot sure what you’re getting at here. No-one was ever questioning whether the trade mark was given, obviously it was. The debate is about whether it *should* have been given.\n\nSeems like an is-ought fallacy:\n\nhttps://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Is-ought.html",
"I'm fairly sure it didn't have to change its name. It faded, yes. Had nothing to increase how much it was known. But believe me its lack of popularity was not because it was a bad game",
"Putting words prior to pot is the convention. Same with bubble wrap or chain gun. You seemed to be implying like the law wasn't applied properly, but it was. If you don't like the law i understand.",
"...no. It was literally playing off your joke.",
"I guess you dont know what 'objective' means.",
"Not '1984' at all, changing media to fit narratives...",
"If you have to make a video explaining to everyone why you still wear makeup because you get a barrage of comments in every video from newcomers saying “why is his face silver?” then it’s objectively terrible.",
"[Inside\\_Out_\\(2015_film\\)#Lawsuit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inside_Out_\\(2015_film\\)&oldid=1047659799#Lawsuit)\n\n*(The lawsuit-section of the wiki article [is now tucked away under \"Cultural influence\",](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inside_Out_%282015_film%29&type=revision&diff=1054643056&oldid=1054544261) for some reason.)*\n\n>In June 2017 .. a child psychologist from Minnesota, filed a lawsuit against Disney and Pixar for breach of contract. She had been working on a television series, The Moodsters, which had similar aspects to Inside Out. Daniels had discussed prospects of the series with Disney and Pixar executives, including Docter.[145] Daniels said that she elaborated her idea for emotional characters. The discussions were held between 2006 and 2009, and Daniels argued that they carried an implied contract for her to be compensated if the ideas were used by Disney. In January 2018, her suit was dismissed by judge . who ruled that since Daniels had released materials related to the project publicly at the time of the conversations, with no grounds for an implied contract between Disney and Daniels.[146] . the Ninth Circuit . upheld the District Court's ruling ... In 2021 . lawsuit from Canadian filmmaker Damon Pourshian over alleged plagiarism of a film he made around 2000 as a student at Sheridan College, which is about a boy whose emotions are controlled by five of his internal organs and is also titled Inside Out. He noticed that Disney and Pixar have close ties to Sheridan College, and have subsidiaries in Ontario that would place the case under jurisdiction of a Canadian court.[148] \n\n[Monsters,_Inc.#Lawsuits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters,_Inc.#Lawsuits)\n\n>Pixar was sued by children's songwriter .. stating that the company had stolen her ideas from her 1997 poem \"There's a Boy in My Closet\". Madrid mailed her poem to six publishers in . 1999 .. After seeing the trailer for Monsters, Inc., Madrid concluded that Chronicle Books had passed her work to Pixar and that the film was based on her work.[69] In October 2001, she filed the suit against Chronicle Books, Pixar, and Disney .. the judge refused to issue the injunction .. ruled that the film had nothing in common with the poem.[70] ... Stanley Mouse filed a lawsuit in which he alleged that the characters of [Mike](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Excuse_my_Dust.jpg) and Sulley were based on drawings of Excuse My Dust, a film that he had tried to sell to Hollywood in 1998.[71] The lawsuit also stated that a story artist from Pixar visited Mouse in 2000 and discussed Mouse's work with him.[71] .. The case was ultimately settled under undisclosed terms.[72][unreliable source] \n\nSee also: [The Lion King, Cars, Toy Story 4, Coco, Atlantis: The Lost Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=incategory%3A%22Films_involved_in_plagiarism_controversies%22+incategory%3A%22Walt_Disney_Pictures_films%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1)",
"Scandinavian chiming in. We also have \"bake off\" products, which are shipped half baked and are either finished in an oven in the store or at home.\n\nI agree that saying \"you need to bake it off\" doesn't really work in English. But it's a very established term in most germanic language countries apparently. 😅",
"https://youtu.be/6gDCAEyLABo?t=19\n\nThis is your first video, timestampped.\n\nDo you not see the fineprint where it says \"Based on [our] battery vs Kodak ZnClAA, Nanasonic ZnC & ZnCL AA and Sony Zncl AA batteries\"",
"Notch got handed 2.5 billion dollars from Microsoft and Microsoft didn’t see any reason in developing the game.",
">If you have to make a video explaining to everyone why you still wear makeup\n\nCan you link said video? Because I don't remember such a video and I've watched everything apart from the hour long ones (Flight of the Navigator was great tho) from him. \n\n\nAnd if it makes people look twice and ask questions about the show, it isn't objectively bad. Grabbing people's attention in modern youtube is hard, and having a quirk/gimmick can be very helpful with that.",
"The Flight of the Navigator-video is so ridiculously well made it’s hard to imagine it’s made by one person only.",
"Oh fugkc",
"Corporations is a dick?",
"Without disturbing his privacy, elsewhere we've learned that he does have a fairly modest living situation.",
"Agree. The more agreed-upon consensus is this gesture (and other similar ones in different but contemporary cultures) has a more religious underpinning, invoking the devil or a devil curse.",
"Sometimes. Fan expos, the celebrities will sit at a table and charge a significant amount like $20-$100 to sign collectibles. \n\nBut the point of the joke here is he's prettying the character is oblivious that flashing that 2 finger up gesture has offensive connotations in Britain. (I say Britain to align with British Bake-Off)",
"It freaked me out but then I watched the one where it's explained, and since then I just respect his choice.",
"Free Market and all that",
"He has industry work but also derives a respectable base income from Patreon. \n\nStill it's a bit tragic to consider his talent level and content quality versus that of some influencers who earn vastly more for vastly less.",
"Not when he's in civilian garb.",
"> You seemed to be implying like the law wasn't applied properly, but it was. If you don't like the law i understand.\n\nReally not sure how you got that from it when you entered this thread with the following question:\n\n>“What is the problem with trademark law?”\n\nFollowed by lots of people answering that question. The whole thread is literally people explaining that they have an objection to trademark law and that was prompted by you asking them what objections they have to trademark law, then suddenly you suddenly start arguing that it must be OK because it’s OK under trademark law… what do you mean you have a problem with trademark law?!\n\nI mean… I think you’ve got a little muddled here to say the least.",
"To be honest, I didn't.",
"People are arguing the trademark is too generic, not that it's wrong for them to have a trademark. I've seen several posts by you and another person just completely ignoring the argument. Such a strange practice. I don't think anybody would have a problem with \"Salisbury bake off\" trademark which is the origination of the trademark",
"It kinda works, in that we might say “you need to cook it off” but it’s not really used, you’re correct.",
"kind of bullshit they can trademark or copyright a common phrase like that. this reminds me of when susan g komen copyrighted for the cure, or something like that. fuck that bullshit.",
"Wait what?!",
"This is so interesting, I had heard they had to CG some changes to the title into the show, but I always assumed it was some text hidden under that ugly lacy structure on the title card, so I thought it was a lazy edit, this is impressive.",
"US trademark lawyers are kind of crazy, like when Bethesda sued Mojang for using the word \"scrolls\" or more recently when taketwo went after the game It Takes Two.",
"I feel like being 66% similar to another title using common english words is completely different than being 99.5% similar using invented words. (and actually using \"The Great British\" before it makes it even less than 66% similar)",
">just a week of work\n\nSounds like someone's never worked in VFX or editing before. You'd be shocked at the amount of labor that can go into a single second of final footage.",
"> It doesn't obligate them to be a dick about it.\n\n[It actually kind of does](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark#Trademark_erosion).\n> Trademark erosion, or genericization, is a special case of antonomasia related to trademarks. It happens when a trademark becomes so common that it starts being used as a common name **and the original company has failed to prevent such use**.\n\nIn other words, if they don't show a constant effort to protect their trademark (ie, be a dick about it), they can eventually lose it. [It's why Adobe has been so pissed off about people using the word \"Photoshop\" as a generic term](https://www.slashgear.com/adobe-says-stop-using-photoshop-as-a-generic-term-26399495/). Can they 'write up a one pager granting for the use of the trademarked word(s) in a specific context by specific people' - sure - but if they start doing that too much, the term starts to become more and more 'generally used' across all sorts of other products that people start to associate with that trademarked term, possibly quickening it's erosion. \n\nDo I think it makes sense? No, and situations like this bake-off thing do seem absurd. But down-voting this comment wont change how the law works (to the person who downvoted this)",
"It's not made by only one person. The credits are in the description.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyixMpuGEL8",
"You literally replied to a comment where I explain that it's not as simple as \"too generic\"",
"[citation needed]",
"I only ever see BBC shows on PBS, which also doesn't have commercials.",
"I genuinely thought this was about the contestants making original and creative ideas found online there own ideas.",
"That's a good point actually. I did notice they are highly technical in the humour, though. It just gives me the vibe that a lot of credibility hides behind his cape.",
"My point is that your idea that validity of trademarks should be based on \"iterations of an existing language feature.\" is bad, especially considering almost every term is an iteration on a existing language feauture. I don't think there is any reason trademark validity should be based on this pretty subjective criteria, instead of on the use of the word. Bake-off was not used much before the trademarks, which it why it should be valid. You also seem to think company names should be treated differently.\n\nI admit i got confused on exactly what was being argued. The original comment i responded to referred to the US, ignoring the fact that the UK granted the same trademark, much later in time. I assumed he was playing into the common redditism of calling the US uniquely corrupt or corporate, which doesn't make sense if the UK agrees too.",
"Is it?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillsbury_Company\n\nI don't see any companies by that name here:\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_(disambiguation)",
"You're right",
"> which is probably where Kimba comes from\n\nIt's exactly where the name came from - they didn't use Leo iirc because of fear of infringing copyright for the Leo the Lion from the MGM logo, so looked at Simba, but decided it was too generic of a name (since it's just the word for lion) and changed it to Kimba.",
"> It's why every non-Disney adaptation of Cinderella or Snow White is so drastically different stylistically from Disney versions.\n\nAlso likely why the stage show, *Twisted: the Untold Story of a Royal Vizier* (which is beyond amazing and free on YouTube and everyone should watch it), which is basically entirely a reference to Disney properties, only refers to the princess as \"the princess\" and never Jasmine.",
"My favorite effect he's done is from the video with the phaser, where he shows a clip of the laser beam in smoke, and then zooms out from the \"camera\" view to the \"not through a camera lens\", and you're like, \"oh cool... wait, what?\"\n\nAlso the effect he uses for his two tone skin thing is actually a practical effect - in one of the earlier videos he pulls it and you can see that the skin is actually wrapped around his definitely all metal body.",
"This. Source: I am one of them.",
"Mr. Kirby, who now works for Mr. Bowser, of course.",
"You joke, but yes.",
"I *thought* it looked like motion tracked skin. Definitely in the uncanny valley.",
"Humans evolved to value the strangest things",
"That was interesting... And weird .",
"That video doesn't have nearly enough views when you compare it to silly fake tech videos for free energy devices 🙄",
"Can I ask what country it was?",
"Man, if I was Netflix, I would have been maliciously compliant and just loudly BLEEP any reference to Bake Off like it was an obscene swear word.",
"> Nintendo won because Universal themselves argued previously that the name was public domain.\n\nThe name 'King Kong' was ***not*** in public domain; the court clearly ruled that the King Kong name and character itself was still a copyrighted entity that Univeral owned (because it was sold directly to Universal after that court ruling). \n\nIn fact, that initial ruling in benefit to Nintendo is viewed in the legal world as a punishment performed by the judge on the basis of Universal's false claim that they owned the *trademark* (which they did not 100% solely own) rather than a broad legal statement. In essence, they were punitively damaged for lying/being legally incorrect rather than an actual decision being made about the name itself. Obviously, this was appealed by Universal.\n\nThe subsequent appeals were also legally divisive because the federal court acknowledged wholly the consumer confusion/connection between Donkey Kong and King Kong but dismissed it for, ultimately, subjective notions. Since this legal argument was only started during appeals, Universal was effectively screwed because their true appeal was wasted by their initial trademark ownership mistake.\n\n All of this is ironic (or perhaps a warning to Nintendo) because decades later Nintendo severely watches over its trademarks and actively sends cease and desists to anyone within a mile of their territory.",
"Disney may have received the letter and just ignored it, because there's no Pillsbury TV show and the copyright would be for advertising media and not entertainment shows (at least, that's what Disney would argue in court).\n\nAnd I think the BBC would win (or settle out of court) with Pillsbury if P.Boi actually tried to start a beef with them.",
"those are all just alternate identities of captain d",
"K",
"Dark Scrolls IV: Candy Crunch Shadow Legends ... League",
"Thanks!",
"Ah yes, I too get normal, run-of-the-mill, average everyday bake-offs confused with the great Pillsbury Bake-Off^^TM"
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"To get that entire outfit to pull this off must have went through a lot of holes.",
"Ernst was one of my favorite movie series growing up. You know what I mean Vern?",
"i JUST this very minute finished Ernest saves christmas! my sister hated it, i wish disney had them all!",
"Jim Varney was such a gem.",
"Lol I started this film as a joke figured my kids would turn it off right way. They didn’t want to stop watching it and now they want to watch all the other Ernest films. They also make for a great PSA about smoking.",
"Ernest goes to camp was my fave\n\nRIP",
"I used to always enjoy his movies with a nice tall glass of miak.",
"ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
] | 8 | videos | Old Woman Scene - "Ernest Goes to Jail" (1990) |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlBj9Mw3Cdg | /r/videos/comments/rog5kn/egg_nog/ | [
"what a roller coaster",
"One of my favorites.",
"This will go great with my Dockers"
] | 3 | videos | Egg Nog |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dowTxGw3GG8 | /r/videos/comments/rogf11/turbocharger_sucks_in_rag/ | [
"Something something...\n hits the fan",
"Fml",
"No doubt that was an 'oh fuck' moment. 'looks like she coming apart again boys!'",
"Buh-bye multi-thousand dollar engine build, it's alllll getting disassembled now 😬",
"What does something like that do to an engine? I",
"I too want to know. Fucks it up a bit I'm guessing, maybe there's an air filter it hit still?",
"The air filter was supposed to be where the rag got sucked in.",
"Well it’s getting sucked in the pressure side and going straight to the intake valves. Nothing good. You’d have to disassemble the block, remove the valves, clean and spec them, spec the pistons, spec the rods, replace the intake turbine and clean the intercooler lines. Disassembling the block will of course mean dropping the engine, then spec the head, grind flat if there’s warpage (I’m guessing on this car there won’t be, as it’s already been done recently) replace the gaskets too so it isn’t a “just take it apart and put it back together the same day” job unless those parts are on hand. There could be other circlips and stuff that need replaced along the way too. And if any of the valves need replaced that’ll be an expensive wait. I’m thinking by the time the engine shut off there was already hard carbon from burnt cloth being slammed into the piston heads leaving serious pitting that will need attention or replacement. \n\nIt would not be a fun multiple days, but the engine will live.",
"Goes through the intercooler first - likely caught a lot of the debris.",
"The intercooler might catch a large chuck of rag, or the valves might, but that isn’t stopping the 70% shredded fibers from being sucked in like coke through a dollar.",
"That motor is getting torn down for a rebuild. Turbo might be done as well. Verrrrry expensive mistake.",
"Whoops...",
"I mean, most of the small bits could burn off or get pushed through the exhaust if it’s really small fibers. I sucked a paper towel through my boosted b18c5 and it was all good with just an oil change.",
"Unless you took the engine apart I wouldn’t really trust that. Still that’s cellulose vs polyester, a bit different in combustion products and result.",
"I was 16 and dumb, so it was probably the wrong choice. It worked fine for a few months until the fmu I was using failed and led to some sweet bent rods. I miss that car now.",
"/r/thatlookedexpensive",
"That thing got sucked into a turbo. I can't see any scenario where the turbo would be OK after something like that. Small orifices and a blades spinning at 10,000 - 100,000+ rpm.",
"I already covered replacing the turbine.",
"Gee, of only something existed that would cover that obviously exposed and highly critical component, like some sort of filter.",
"Are you sure it doesn’t just clean everything from the intake through the exhaust?",
"Oh, buddy. If only. I just got done doing that job by hand. https://i.imgur.com/M7Q07q3.jpg",
"Check pressures and if they are all good don't tell the owner.",
"Usually the messy shot is *after* the hand job. Ba-dum-tiss.",
"Where can I go to your shop?",
"Your on drugs if you think this didn't happen",
"That is a very big bummer.",
"OK, but what if they roll the car out in to the driveway around 10pm and just rev the engine a bunch for about half an hour? That'd work too, right?",
"You’re correct that is standard procedure for fixing an engine.",
"Is an air filter too much to ask. I mean, why would you ever run an exposed turbine and risk this?",
"Who wants a wet sticky dollar just use a straw.",
"Somehow this is infinitely worse than forgetting to stash away metal stuff during an MRI scan.",
"Like a filter for the air?",
"Perhaps made out of some sort of pleated, mesh material",
"What the fuck are you guys talking about? You all sound ridiculous. Just throw it out and buy a new one when this happens.",
"So... more or less a complete engine overhaul?",
"Yeah but they don’t look cool",
"Not really compete because you can stop short at checking the rod specs. And even they should be fine.",
"are you nuts, a filter with holes small enough to block a towel would severely interfere with his engine's performance (if even such a filter could be created).",
"Come come Mr Bond, you derive the same pleasure from killing engines as I do.",
"If they did that I’d say the are the guy that lives across the street. His mustang sounds better than any Cobra I’ve heard but when it’s 11:40 and I get up at 5 he could go get cigarettes without waking me up with a few bounces off the limiter and a burnout."
] | 42 | videos | Turbocharger sucks in rag |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb1L7Oflj6Q | /r/videos/comments/roghhl/worlds_first_sms_message_sold_for_121000_usd/ | [
"I forgot to point out that according to multiple sources, this wasn't just the first SMS message. It was the very first text message ever sent.",
"LoL? So this sms message has just been bouncing around the network for 30 years and someone just scooped it up with a net?\n\nWhat a fucking scam.",
"NFTs are so perplexing. Why would anyone pay anything for any of them? Especially 100 something thousand for the first text.\n\nI don't feel old. But maybe I'm just old.",
"$121K for a piece of data in a blockchain that says you own something that doesn't really exist is a high price to pay for not having sex ever again.",
"Yeah, it seems dumb. One of the best features of computers is that making and distributing exact copies of data is extremely easy and efficient, so efficient 1 server on the internet could easily distribute an almost unlimited amount of copies for a very small cost and with protocols like BitTorrent the cost goes down to almost nothing.\n\nI understand digital rights and people wanting a way to claim rights and make money from their work I just don't think this model in it's current form is very good."
] | 6 | videos | World's first SMS message sold for 121,000 USD |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rohepj/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rohepj/deleted_by_user/ | [
"this whole movie was my favorite video when I was a kid, and the three birds hold a very special place in my heart...",
"I'm not a huge fan of Disney, but this was pretty much the only Disney movie I watched constantly as a kid and I love it. I'd say this movie laid a pretty solid foundation for an interest in other countries and cultures, particularly music.\n\nThe whole movie is worth a watch, but I'll also recommend the Lilongo scene when they visit Mexico: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvbyrd7QekQ",
"this is the one with the flying burro!!!!!"
] | 3 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtu.be/E9_amg-Aos4 | /r/videos/comments/rohfs5/the_hawaii_chair/ | [
"Feels great on my abs!",
"And provides a free spinal readjust at the same time",
"Never forget when on Attack of the Show they did the entire first segment on Hawaii chairs lol"
] | 3 | videos | The Hawaii Chair |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLHxxBTl71I | /r/videos/comments/rohio3/50_years_ago_joni_mitchell_released_river_this_is/ | [
"Nice",
"Folks toss out “National Treasure” a lot, but this woman is the real thing.",
"Thanks for sharing this...\n\nIt's beautiful and I'm crying",
"Canadian National Treasure, or can we claim her now?",
"Is it my imagination or are millennials and younger really into Jonie Mitchell? I'm seeing stuff from the social media of my various niblings and their friends that make me think that a lot of the better Boomer music is finding new audiences.",
"When someone is good enough, I think they get to just become American and lose their Canadian taint?\n\nNot really sure how that works. Michael J Fox prolly knows",
"Bieber can stay Canadian forever then.",
"Joni Mitchell is just exquisite",
"So many of these fan-made animated music videos becoming \"official\" what a weird time we live in.",
"I had someone try and tell me Neil Young wasn't a Canadian artist. Y'all have enough good things down there, stop trying to take ours.",
"Keanu Reeves and Justin Bieber are package deal.",
"Who is Justice Beaver?",
"gosh i hope so.\n\ngen Xer and been listening to Joni since the 2000s... there's no wrong generation or time in your life to get into Joni. Joni is for everyone.",
"I know I started listening to Joni Mitchell after she came up on one of rick Beatos videos lately",
"She's just such a unique musician. Nobody sounds like her.",
"intro sounds like jingle bells",
"You can have Ted Cruz back, if it's any consolation.",
"It is beautiful for sure. The album this is from is the single best argument for quality music audio and listening to music through a half decent amp and speakers.",
"Well it's not surprising in this case.\n\nThat is some beautiful animation complimenting the song perfectly.",
"it's a Christmas song",
"The video was actually debuted by JN herself in connection with the 50 yr anniversary, and was directed by [Matvey Rezanov](http://matveyrezanov.com/) .\n\nAnnouncement [here](https://www.rhino.com/article/watch-joni-mitchell-premieres-first-official-music-video-for-river).",
"Joni Nitchell?"
] | 21 | videos | 50 years ago Joni Mitchell released “River”. This is the first official music video for it |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rohkqr/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rohkqr/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Simple solution: don’t have kids.",
"Get a LCD TV?",
"That kid is a dummy.",
"Do you have a rental a agreement that prevents wall anchoring?\n\nTell your landlord to shove it and do it anyway.",
"Most states have rules for rentals around \"general wear and tear\". Things like wall anchors, scuffs, nails, curtain rod holes, dings/dents, etc. are all covered.",
"This video made me realize I had completely spaced anchoring the book shelves and dressers and what have you. We got the baby gates and the latches for the cabinets, but it was like \"she can't even crawl let's get to that next weekend\", and you fucking blink and now she's 13 months and trying to superman off the couch. There are so many things you don't think of as first time parents that could be super awful, like a fucking tv to the head. So thank you, there are anchors in the mail and I will get those on ASAP.",
"I wonder how well that anchor is around 1:41. \n\nCause that anchor and cord seemed both high quality and strong. Though if you're screwing it into a press board dresser will it hold?\n\nReally though this is for a toddler climbing on some shelves so I imagine it'd hold.",
"Just don't screw a 1/2\" screw into drywall thinking it will hold. It has to be long enough to go through the drywall and into a stud.",
"It's crazy how in the early years it seems like you're just trying to eliminate ways kids can kill themselves. They're like little suicide machines.",
"That is absolutely horrifying. You know, even teenagers or adults could have something like that happen. When I was 16 I broke my leg and I was using crutches. I wanted to get something out of the dresser and there was several sheets of like 10' wallboard leaning in front of it. It was going to be hung up in the bathroom. I pulled it away from the dresser, and the other end started swaying back and forth and the momentum pushed me off balance and it fell on me. And my face hit the leg of an upside down stool that was sitting in the corner, and it busted my chin open. 8 stitches and 25 years later I still have a cool looking crescent shaped moon scar. My cousin came up to investigate the crash and thought I had punctured my throat when he saw all the blood and me holding my hand on my face trying not to get blood on the carpet.",
"Let natural selection do it's thing.",
"Most adults are too",
"I got the things for a flat screen tipping too. Video has me shook."
] | 12 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtu.be/VoqVnptdmgY | /r/videos/comments/roibwy/i_cant_believe_you_got_me_this_for_christmas/ | [
"Merry Christmas",
"I’ve never had a proper tamale ;(",
"Ohh mann I highly suggest you try some sometime!"
] | 3 | videos | I cant believe you got me this for Christmas!?! |
https://youtu.be/2ZyJCV_dyug | /r/videos/comments/roj9nx/mst3k_patrick_swayze_christmas/ | [
"Great Christmas song, or greatest Christmas song?",
"I’m leaning more towards greatest…",
"\\[Tom's poem, \"A Child's Christmas in Space\"\\]\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \nIt's quiet in the cold of our own little orbit, starless and Bible black. And as I look down on the big blue beam we would call home I think it so near, yet... oh, I wish on that star and I hope that in a little snow-covered house with a warm hearth and a loving family, maybe some kid is looking up tonight and wishing upon us. Oh, and how I hope sweet Santa will fly by tonight because if he does I'm gonna reach right out and hug that big guy. Oh, for the sound of hooves against the steel hull of the ship. Oh, to see the rosy face of Santa in the portal offering me a Coke and a smile...\r \n\r \n\\[gradually gets more and more upset and hysterical\\]\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \n...of course, his cheeks would be rosy because there's a vacuum out there, I mean Santa's heart would explode. But he wouldn't feel it because the capillaries in his brain would pop like little firecrackers...\r \n\r \nJoel:\r \nTom...\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \n...due to the blood boiling away in his face like pudding in a copper... OH THE HUMANITY.\r \n\r \nJoel, Crow T. Robot:\r \nTom.\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \nAnd his jolly old belly would start bubbling like a roasted marshmallow, eyes bulging and popping out... AND THE REINDEER - OH THE REINDEER. - keep floating like holiday floats and in turn exploding in a hail of blood and entrails. Prancer - BOOM. Dancer - BOOM.\r \n\r \nJoel:\r \nHEY.\r \n\r \nCrow T. Robot:\r \nTom.\r \n\r \nJoel:\r \nTom take it easy, Santa's gonna be okay, buddy.\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \nYou sure?\r \n\r \nJoel:\r \nYeah, give him a little credit, okay?\r \n\r \nTom Servo:\r \nPhew, what a relief."
] | 3 | videos | MST3K - Patrick Swayze Christmas |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rojeqh/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rojeqh/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Great to hear someone with his perspective talking on this. The Chinese government is a problem.",
"This probably took a lot of courage to make and post. Proud of him.",
"Context? Guy in the video won't explain what the other student said.",
"Understatement of the year.\n\nWe’re already in another Cold War, whether people recognize it yet or not. The difference is we are much more economically intertwined and China has a population 10 times as large.",
"Psychopath",
"Beautiful. Well stated. Many of us in the United States could take a lesson from him on tolerance of different views.",
"MAD",
"Have any of the brainwashed snitches been sanctioned by the university yet?",
"Down with the **CCP**",
"Yeah you know me!… wait…",
"I dunno how you could come study in America and then go back to China.",
"Except the US is in the losing place in this one. Patriotic propaganda is only going to get them so far when half the country hates the other half more than they hate anyone else in the world.",
"This really needs to be seen by more people.",
"Family, friends, food, culture. Lots of people really struggle to live outside of their home country long term.",
"Which C in CCP stands for cowardly?",
"Yeah I completely agree it's just once you have a taste of the forbidden fruit (saying whatever the fuck you want to say), man I couldn't imagine going back to living under an authoritarian regime. I'd probably be trying to move my family out, which was my experience when I dated a Chinese girl who was on a temp visa.",
"Actually that's not true, China is one of the few things that we have a bipartisan stance on",
"A lot of students don't have the choice. Unless you're in a high-paying Tech or Finance job, it's very difficult to get your employer to sponsor you for a H-1B visa, which can take thousands of dollars in legal fees. Further, H-1B visas are capped in number every year, and the chance of getting selected is based on a random lottery. And even if you get an H-1B visa, these have a limit of 6 years, and you need your employer to sponsor you for an Employment-Based Immigrant Visa (EB-1/2/3), which takes an additional several thousands of dollars in legal fees, in order to extend your H-1B eligibility. And even then, Chinese nationals have a waiting time of up to a decade before they qualify for a long-term permanent residency due to Green Card quotas. Any step of the process can be put in jeopardy if they lose your job or get arrested for whatever reason. \n\nThis means that a lot of Chinese people who come to the U.S. to study have to return home no matter their preference.",
">Actually that's not true, China is one of the few things that we have a bipartisan stance on\n\nYes, everyone loves supporting China financially.\n\nAlmost as much as everyone loves saying they don't.\n\nBut \"Made in China\" is everyone's favourite supplier.",
"Super fuck China. That is all",
"As did we have a bipartisan stance on the war on terror. The degree to which the stance against China should be taken is not bipartisan nor is it even agreed upon within the two parties themselves. Whether the stance even remains through a prolonged \"cold war\" when the US has more to lose is also highly questionable. Either way, if there was an actual cold war here, which there isn't, the US was collapse on itself in its current state.",
"Chinese nationals studying in the US tend to be high wealth individuals so the money barriers aren't really there. The wait times and the fucked up immigration policies are certainly a barrier.",
"And the fact that H1B is a lottery system that you can lose multiple times in a row.",
"Tons of respect for the part where he showed a video of the Potala Palace in the background while mentioning how he isn’t supposed to speak about certain topics. I can only imagine to be as brave as this person someday.",
"No doubt it's a system in need of reform.",
"100%",
"Up until 1944, no one outside Nazi Germany knew about concentration camps.\n\nWelp, that's my argument for why what's happening now is worse.",
"China was broke in the 70s. The US corporate class liked this because they didn't have to pay union wages and sent all the US manufacturing jobs to countries like China who had access to millions of workers who had never heard of unions or strikes or worker's rights.\n\nChina got rich because US based corporations fucked over domestic workers. China's government took advantage of corporate greed to build up their country and they became a new super power which doesn't really need western corporations anymore because they have way more people and way more money.\n\nChina's government has been criticized for decades for their human rights issues but it's always been covered by western media outlets who don't want to offend China and get on their bad side.\n\nLately there's a new shift in US based anti-China sentiment which makes me wary of this video since it's connected to Purdue and the video is pandering hard to American egos. It's also kind of a joke considering freedom of expression is highly frowned on lately in US academia unless your opinion matches everyone elses.",
"China doesn't have 10 times the population you moron.",
"What does their population have to do with anything? Unless the next war is going to be fought with shields and spears, having a bigger population means nothing.",
"Population size definitely plays a factor in an economic battle.",
"The problem is that Americans are bad at playing geopolitics. Trump decided to start a trade war with China but brilliantly decided that was a great time to alienate our other trade partners and let China fill that void. Redditors want American companies to take a stance on China, but these are products that China doesn't want anyways. China would much rather have their citizens spend their money on a Chinese entertainment than the NBA, and it's not like the NBA has any real geopolitical powers, so it doesn't make sense to get themselves kicked out of China.",
"The problem is no one cares. The world news won't talk about the concentration camps, the slaughter in the streets and the disappearances. Much more interesting to talk about US mudslinging politics. People are risking their lives to get the story out about the genocide going on in China and people literally *just don't care.*",
"My favorite are my friends who buy \"American\". Like dude 90% of that was manufactured in china even that made in America sticker!",
"The flip side of that is that sometimes accusations of atrocities do end up being fake or exaggerated, and are only discovered to be such after they've been used to justify war and many people have died",
"I mean Shanghai for example is futuristic and cool as fuck. I wouldnt want to live there because of the cultural differences and authoritarian government, but I get it. A lot of Chinese people culturally just don't give a shit about freedom of expression, the futuristic city part matters more to them",
"That’s just not true at all. The world started learning about the mass murder of Jews as early as 1941 when reports of the mobile killing units in Eastern Europe started. News in the US started reporting about the “extermination camps” in 1942. The US, Britain, and the Soviet Union made a joint statement about the mass deportation of Jews out of ghettos and never to be heard from again in 1942 also.",
"China is the blueprint of the future for any nation with an interest of becoming an authoritarian hellhole. It is the blueprint they want us all to fit into.",
"A lot of chinese are too cucked into submission by the ccp but this guy has guts",
"What slaughter in the streets?",
"Communism is for losers.",
"I've followed him for a year or two now and he's always been pretty clear in his opinions and thoughts, seems like a great guy",
"That blueprint doesn't work long term though. There will be an internal crisis at some point that will weaken the CCP to the point at which it will fall. Outside forces can't have much of an effect but economic or food instability will absolutely have a catastrophic effect.",
"A lot (most) of the students studying in the US are upper middle class and don't really have anything bad to say. They grow up in a nice apartment, are surrounded by great infrastructure, you can't complain about half the internet being banned if you don't know they exist in the first place and besides China has a thriving alternative internet ecosystem to replace our Western one. The modern Chinese foreign student has seen nothing but constant, seemingly unstoppable growth since their birth, and if they can afford exorbitant foreign student tuitions they've likely been the chief beneficiaries of that growth as well.\n\nAfter they come out to the US, they can find a group of fellow Chinese students and it likely be easier to stay within that group all 4 years of college (its hard enough to interact with people you speak the same tongue as, now throw in a language barrier, significant cultural differences and potentially a healthy dose of increasing anti-Chinese racism on top) They won't need Western social media, because Wechat handles it all for the people they need to communicate with. They might even find the place a little backwards, what with very visible homelessness on campus, having to wait for very sparse buses or having to pay with cash (oh the horror!) instead of handling everything from the Wechat pay function. Many Chinese classmates of mine have felt that the US system of essays and intangibles and \"holistic review\" along with GPA and SAT scores was unfair - they had bigger numbers, so why were ostensibly worse performing students making it over them just because those students could \"write flowers\" as they say? (Which is honestly a somewhat ironic statement since in China, parents have to make a choice in middle school whether to send their children on the Chinese or Western university track often based on how competitive they feel their kids will be on the gaokao - that is, their numbers were predicted to be lesser)\n\nAll that is to say oftentimes people don't reach for the forbidden fruit until they feel they need it, and by the time they do it has been locked up beyond their grasp. Its really too easy to be content to stat within their small ethnic bubble and then return home with a strong degree",
"Shanghai is a 6000 year old city where the median income is less than half that of a US citizen, not accounting for urban differences in income. It's got a nice mix of new and old architecture but I'm not so sure it qualifies as a futuristic city at all.",
"Yeah I agree with most of that and that has been my experience as well. I would just add that the whole GPA and SAT thing being unfair is a recent phenomenon, when I went to school those actually mattered. But China cannot be considered a meritocracy either as no meritocracy would censor its people at the level they do.",
"Why not? Better access to healthcare, a booming business environment, rising standards of living, family and friend bonds back home - are all important. \n\nOr perhaps you can’t imagine the studying in America part. But there are ways to do it without it *seriously* bankrupting you, and if you’re young you probably won’t need vacations and serious healthcare bills. And there are big networking and status benefits to studying abroad (including in the US).\n\nIt makes sense to spend a year or two studying in a different country, wherever you’re from.",
"Should brush up on your geo-political know how. \n\nThere’s been a dramatic pivot towards asia to shore up against Chinese influence. The US recently passed a bipartisan law criminalising state sanctioned slave labor used in the supply chains coming out of China. \n\nMore manufacturing is moving to south east Asia and Bangladesh. This is just one example.\n\nEdit: I thought to clarify. \n\nI wasn’t claiming the human rights crisis is the sole reason behind economic shifts. My claim was merely that the money is moving and this is not just rhetoric to think so is ignorant there’s statescraft involved. The trade war as example hurt the bottom line of both actors. \n\nThe geopolitical and economic pivot of the US to focus on SEA and away from failing wars is evident and has been well researched and predicted. \n-human rights \n-sovereign claims \n-sanctions \n-trade wars\n-globalisation and development\n-anti sino attitudes throughout all of Asia (deep history this one) \n\nAll play into the boiling pot as to why the west is distancing itself.\n \nIn my opinion we will see a huge shift and economic propping on the subcontinent to act as a bordering state actor to knock Chinese claims to industry, manufacturing and national rhetoric.",
"I wonder, have you lived in the US or China?",
"I’ve travelled a lot in both, and have close friends that have studied in both. \n\nDo you need any more info about either place? If so happy to help.",
"Lol no thanks you just answered my question.",
"Eh. I guess, but past a certain point more people doesn't equal more productivity. 200 or even 100 years ago it might have been more of a factor, but I don't see how there's anything 400 million Americans can't do that 1.3 billion Chinese can.\n\nExcept eat. Feeding their population is going to be interesting when climate change really gets going. China just doesn't have the breadbasket that the US does. They'll have to look to Russia and Russia, well, is Russia. I guess Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and the islands can fill in some of the gap but not for 1.3 billion people.\n\nIf China continues trying to downsize then it might not be as big of an issue, but just imagine what it would look like when you've got a billion hungry people and suddenly food production drops 50 percent globally. China can forget about projecting power, they'll be feeding all that manpower into an internal meat grinder of a civil war.",
"PPP is pretty damn high isn't it? People are living well.",
"I’m not sure I understand, what’s your question?",
"If you have lived in either place and the answer is obviously no.",
"Do you disagree with any of the points I’ve made about either place?\n\nPerhaps high college/healthcare costs for foreigners studying in the US? \n\nOr do you think speaking about politics is a central pastime for most 20 somethings, and being unable to do so freely would be intolerable for most people?",
"Shhh you’re going to stop them from feeling intelligent while talking out of their asses, don’t ruin the fun on Christmas :(",
"Yes but there is no point in debating them with someone who has trivial lived experience. It would be like me barging into a convo on Aussie politics because I did an audit in Sydney once a decade ago.",
"I’m interested in what you could possibly be so upset about. I haven’t written anything controversial about either place. Most locals would have the same kind of complaints about their own countries. \n\nEg. The people most upset about American healthcare system, or American college debt, is Americans. It doesn’t impact Europeans (except when they have to buy expensive travel insurance perhaps).",
"I'm not upset at all it's just that you have no personal frame of reference and you're making declarative statements of fact about complex issues you aren't in a position to discuss based on the lack of frame of reference.",
"r/ADVChina did a great piece on this. It's within this episode... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXuG5QhivU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXuG5QhivU)",
"I think you have no problem with the content of what I’ve written. I think you’re a nationalist Chinese or American and just upset at the *idea* of anyone abroad saying anything even mildly critical about your country.",
"Not at all it's that I am not interested in the content you have written period because it's precisely your personal ideas and not a lived experience. And you aren't giving me your philosophical ideas they are your understanding of how things are on the ground which I frankly don't give a fuck about since you have no lived experience on the ground in either place :)",
"Thanks for your fascinating addition to or improvement of the topic discussion then 🙄",
"No thank you.",
"> The problem is that Americans are bad at playing geopolitics. \n\nI guess it is good then that the Chinese also suck at this.",
"Can we adopt this guy as a citizen? I like him.",
"I don't trust Chineses students in America. Stealing tech and research.",
">More manufacturing is moving to south east Asia and Bangladesh. This is just one example. \n\nOh, interesting!",
"We have no idea if that’s true, unfortunately.",
"“Shanghai is a 6000 year old city” \nYou should just speak less",
"They generally stay within the confines of their dorms/campus. Between that and the Chinese student clubs (that are affiliated with the CCP) its not like they are experiencing much of America.",
"LOL it is tho y u mad",
"China isn't communist.",
"Nixon opened up the US to China in the 70s. Tiananmen Square was in 89.\n\nWhat labour movement did they have before that was anything like unionization? They've had class struggles for millenia but nothing that gives workers fair rights.",
"Very well said, I made the mistake criticizing the ccp to one of my friends from Beijing one time thinking he valued expression as well, but I was mistaken.",
"This is becoming common knowledge and yet we are still allowing high numbers of Chinese students to come here and study. Fortunately most seem to be able to get work visa’s if they want them badly enough.",
"Ten times the population of the previous “Cold War” opponent (ie. the USSR).",
"You mean China doesn't have 3,500,000,000 people?",
"China has had authoritarian power structures for thousands of years. \n\nDemocracy is not the default state of governance for humans at all. If you look at the history of civilization, most states were quite authoritarian. \n\nUnfortunately I really dont think there's any reason the CCP cannot continue ruling as it does, the historical precedent isn't really there. \n\nYou can try to bring in USSR comparisons but China is a vastly more powerful and successful state than the USSR ever was. I think its apples to oranges.",
"Do you think it’s actually realistic or desirable to decouple our economy *entirely* from China’s? Because if that’s your metric for judging how sufficiently anti-China somebody is, then almost nobody would pass.",
"[They're doing a lot better than we are](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU). China's decision to ban Australian coal was arguably stupid, as it's currently causing power outages. Even then, coal is responsible for a ton of preventable deaths, so this ban may also be a way for the national government to pressure provincial governments to encourage the use of renewables.",
"\"I have reasons for my treason so don't hurt me after I do my treason.\"",
"Typical CCP propaganda. \n\nCCP: US bad, look at slavery\n\nUS: Yeah.. that was fucked up. We’re rebuilding now.\n\nCCP: You very bad, you can never rebuild from that. It will stain you forever.\n\nUS: True, but we can try. What about Tiananmen Square?\n\nCCP: Tianawut? Never happened.",
"Russia = 144 Million\n\nChina = 1,4 Billion\n\nAre you bad at math?",
"No joke, objectively stupid in every sense. While it 'may' pressure provincial gov to transfer to renewables, more likely the local leadership will hoard coal, and leave the average person out to hang. That's mostly how China operates. Not to mention, they have absolutely no infrastructure for renewables in any way, shape or form, and due to corruption on every level, they are incredibly unlikely to have any viable coal alternative in the near future.\n\n\\*Have to point out, Chinese bot's and other influences are out in force, and very likely to manipulate the votes. But then, this is Reddit, and that's been well known for a while.",
"Good video and message. It's too bad his channel is about to get deleted and he is going on vacation.",
"They're already experiencing these kind of catastrophic events on a wide-spread basis. China Observer is a youtube channel that details a lot of the things occurring right now, and is a good source for seeing the things that aren't widely shown elsewhere. Such as record flooding, massive financial issues, avian and swine flus destroying livestock, employment, etc. Too many people think China is an unstoppable juggernaut, but I think China is built on a tofu foundation currently, and it's only a matter of time before it implodes.",
"Only totalitarian cowards think criticising a government is treason.",
"China is really winning in the worse way they can. They basically shot a head without creating a stable foundation. Literally and metaphorically. China relies on the property sales for the GDP as the government makes large amount of money on it. Everyone is taking out debt to buy homes and failing to pay it back. The houses are really bad. Tofu projects are still common and getting worse. Spend a 1/3 of project money on bribes means no room for profit without cutting corners. Then there is the laying flat movement which is people not even wanting to own a home(as still in debt). Corruption also makes up everything(nothing happens without a bribe).",
"Sounds like something that would apply to any country, and less so to China given the relative effectiveness of their government at being activist when necessary as well as the built up nationalism that the country has.\n\nAlso you do realize that we have all been going through the crisis of COVID lately right? China certainly did a better job of dealing with it than a lot of democracies.",
"China's cost are going up now. We have start to move to India and some south Asia nations.",
"The CCP stands for the Chinese Communist Party... I mean, technically they certainly don't fall under the strict definition of Communism, but they definitely claim it, and use it to facilitate doing whatever it is they do, fascism, or cronyism, or whatever-ism.",
"> Should brush up on your geo-political know how.\n\nShould brush up on your's.\n\nNo matter how much they push in terms of public facing policy, unless there is a major technological advancement like revolutionary, China accounts for over 60% of the production of rare earth elements.\n\nSo unless you figured out how to make like any advanced good (think anything from naval sonar to fuels cells to quantum computers to medical lasers to printing Euros) without them, you're going to China.\n\n>US recently passed a bipartisan law criminalising state sanctioned slave labor used in the supply chains coming out of China\n\nThey banned cotton from one firm out of Xinjiang. What, you thought they banned Chinese products across the board? Did you only read the headline?",
"Fuck CCP",
">title of video makes an impression of serious discussion\n\n>just over 10 mins long\n\nguess it's not about discussion",
"Haha the downvotes. Literal Chinese shills downvoting all anti China comments.",
"People have been confidently predicting the fall of the CCP for 80 years now.",
"The Soviet Union had a much higher population, well over 250 Million in the early eighties. Remember that the Union includes Russia and all the Soviet satellite states.",
"It did not, the USSR had a population over 260 million, China would need 2.6 Billion to be ten times as large.",
"I know what CCP stands for but they are so far from communist. The economic system is wholly capitalism, albeit with heavy regulation.",
"Hmm you appear to be correct. I honestly thought it was quite a bit less than that given Russia’s current population. The other SSRs must have had a bigger population than I gave them credit for.",
"It's not. If you think housing prices are bad in Tier 1 US cities then you have no idea what it's like in China. To put it into context, the average home price in San Francisco is 7.5x the city's median income. For Shanghai, it's closer to 40x median income, while Beijing and Shenzhen are even worse.",
"Most people in the west don't have freedom of expression full stop, not just the Chinese",
"Is there proof of this or are you just being racist",
"> I couldn't imagine going back to living under an authoritarian regime\n\nYou're in the US. You live under an authoritarian regime.\n\nI hate reddit.",
"Finally, a redditor being honest about being a Sinophobic bigot\n\nThe dog whistle comments above get annoying. This idiot is how you all sound.",
"Given that this is your understanding of Chinese culture, and that you lived there for 20 years, how do you recommend others on approaching Chinese people/ culture/ ideas? Also curious, what other places have you lived in?",
"If you actually had something important to say, you'd want to make sure it was actually seen as well. \n\nNot to mention that he doesn't often do that. If you look on his channel, he has a roughly equal proportion of 10 minutes videos as he does videos that are just under at 9/8/7 minutes. Along with many 12 minute videos.",
"What if we nuke a giant comet and harvest its resources",
"Fuck *the CCP*. Not China.",
"It's pretty easy to get downvotes on any comment where you simply utter \"Fuck [country]\". I'd be somewhat impressed if you could get 10 upvotes with it in a default sub, feel free to try with any country. \n\nI'd understand it more if it was \"fuck [country's government]\" as I agree with most of those, yeah. Adding a simple reason would be even better.",
"If it's a cold war, it's one by choice. China was not any different 10-20 years ago but everyone (in government) was tripping over them then saying how great they were.",
"I thought this was going to be about US culture keeping Chinese voices down, turns out it is just a series of examples of China not liking their citizens to think freely. Still good to hear but I'm not sure what the US could do besides take actions that could incite a war.",
"Manufacturing is moving because Chinese wages (and working conditions) are improving, not because of \"slave labor\" concerns. Those same companies are more than happy to pay lower wages in poorer countries.\n\nThe government has transitioned policy wise though. China is now a useful boogey-man to bash for both US parties.",
"\"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao / You ain't gone make it with anyone anyhow\"",
"Glad we could all agree on this at least",
"So many downvoted comments, Down with the CCP.",
"For real",
"There are plenty of rare elements around the world, including in North America. China just produces a lot of them because that's how the supply chains shake out. It's cheaper to source them from China then ship them across the Pacific after mining them in the US. If the supply chains change, then so will the source of raw materials.",
"Yeah, why would anyone ridicule the Republic of China, anyway?",
"\"Assembled in America\"\n\n\"...after being made in China, Vietnam, Mexico and Malaysia\"",
"I’ve been Chinese my whole life so I’m gonna call your bullshit on that. This is an incredibly generalized view and perpetuates negative stereotypes.",
"Only if one wants a war.",
"We know of various sources. We don't have the tech to get them. This includes asteroids and comets, as you say. As well as on the seabed (we don't have the tech for deep sea mining).",
"Is that true? The average person in China has seen steadily improving living conditions over the past decades (as opposed to the average person in developed countries, who have defintely \"been left to hang\"), which is often pointed out as the source of Chinese support for their government.",
">There are plenty of rare elements around the world, including in North America\n\nThe reserves puts the US and Canada combined (from USGS survey) at just over 2.3m imperial tons.\n\nChina has 44m imperial tons.\n\nThe next closest to China is Vietnam's 22m.\n\nIt's not just \"cheaper to source\" from China. It's that they are literally in China.",
"It's not dissimilar from the \"war on terror\" consensus. Both parties supported it, they just differed somewhat on rhetoric and focus. But barring that their actual policies weren't all that different.\n\nIt's the same with China nowadays it seems.",
"Thats a very poor and clearly outdated understanding of what is going on in China.",
"Property being a large part of the economy is fairly normal? Japan had it, the US still has it.",
"You'd think with the massive amounts of money they have to study here they'd would be able to buy themselves out",
"What's wrong with that?",
"Since the university said they weren't aware of anything, I guess not.",
"That's not true. Some are high wealth. Others are middle class Chinese, and if wealthy by Chinese standards are just ordinary by American. Parents might have saved up a lot to send their children to international schools, but don't necessarily have more to hire lawyers and pay all the legal fees.",
"LOL no",
"What about the state sanctioned slave labor in the US supply chains, is that included?",
"I have been paying attention to current events in China. Their largest realtor default on their debts recently and foreign production is being moved to South Asia and India. Plus their high speed rails are losing money. China is a mess right basically faking it.",
"As the classic Chinese saying goes, \"the mountains are high, and the emperor is far away.\" China is still remarkably feudal. This is how Wuhan initially covered up Covid against the national government's wishes. I'm not quite sure I agree that they will hoard coal though because it's nationalized and it's not exactly easy to hoard it discretely.",
"Maybe they're just being honest about their observations...",
"And if you are a high wealth individual under the current political climate why wouldn't you want to go back? It has allowed your family to generate significant wealth which provided you a great education. Why would you want to leave that?\n\nThis also ignores all the stresses of living in a foreign country which also doesn't do e-commerce as efficiently as they do in China.",
"Super weird that you followed me to another comment. Did you like my post history?",
"There’s also been a dramatic amount of money being thrown at Hunter Biden for influence given by the Chinese.\n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/11/20/world/hunter-biden-china-cobalt.amp.html",
"It's in the same comment thread so it's fair game, don't get all uppity. You're unwilling to expound on why the US is authoritarian as it compares to China so I figured I'd press a little.",
"How quickly they forget that riot police showed up to generally peaceful protests against police brutality. Did we already forget the number of videos in which we saw police pushing old men to the ground? \n\nWe seem to have completely forgotten that when video showed one officer pushing a man to the ground and most officers just ignored him it showed that the police lied when they said he tripped and they provided immediate care. Then, when the officer was put on paid leave the whole response team stepped down to protest the fact he was put on PAID LEAVE!",
"Tell me what your grievances are with China.\n\nDetention centers? The United States won't even give the public a ballpark number of how many Mexicans are in detention centers right now.\n\nIf China was as bad as reddit made it sound, we would be seeing a mass exodus of people leaving the country but that isn't the case. Chinese people aren't helpless and they don't need keyboard warriors in the US to pretend like they're fighting the CCP by upvoting racist memes.",
"Reserves don't just indicate the existence of a resource, they indicate whether or not it is economically viable to extract them at current prices. For example, when the price of oil went down, lots of countries suddenly lost lots of their oil reserves because it was no longer viable to extract them at the new lower prices.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves",
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"Is Stockholm syndrome a thing amongst the Chinese diaspora? It definitely seems odd that they'd go out of their way to rat in a fellow citizen knowing full well the repercussions that it would create back home. Sneaky fucks.",
"Who needs freedom of expression when you have a 4 million dollar home in West Vancouver and you are driving a McLaren to class…?",
"I feel like the more we upvote this the more likely he's going to get reported and get the CCP breathing down his or his family's back. It's really quite disturbing to think that people are so blindly close minded they can't even see themselves being close minded while being told straight in the face.",
"They have no infrastructure for renewables? They're literally the world leader in renewable energy, from wind to solar. \n\nhttps://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2020-02-28/how-china-became-worlds-leader-green-energy",
"These threads are so tone deaf. If you want to fight a corrupt government that routinely fucks over its citizens, maybe start in your own country.\n\nPeople just want to virtue signal.",
"China is a one party by definition authoritarian regime. You can't criticize the government. All internet traffic flows through a censorship filter. Their control of information is so restrictive you basically can't trust anything coming from the government i.e. covid deaths as an example. One of the nice things about living in the US is that people fight over basically everything controversial, and as they say sunlight is the best disinfectant and it's hard to not be exposed when people with alternate opinions are there to shred your arguments. In China if you do that you are sent to the Gulag. Yes China has conditioned their population through generations of murder and draconian policy to accept this and be happy with it.",
"Difference being our buildings aren't falling apart weeks after completion (or during construction), nor are we building whole cities with no one living in them.",
"Xi actually has changed the direction of china, though.",
"Do you really think that censorship doesn't exist in the US...?\n\nI have no idea what the second half of that paragraph means.",
"Alright, as an American living in China and working at a Chinese private school that prepares it's students to attend overseas university, I agree with what the other guy has said. So what is your argument?\n\nThe students at my school do not take the gaokao which means they are committed to going to a university outside of China. The school's only foreign students are the children of foreign teachers.",
"Censorship doesn't exist in the US anywhere near the capacity that it exists in China, specifically from the government. Sure Reddit can ban people for having controversial opinions but the government sure as hell can't and political speech is basically a god given right in the US. You not understanding the second half of my argument is proof you have no concept of what it is to be free, not living under a dictatorship that tells you what you can and can't say, how many children you can have, deciding to weld you in your home during a pandemic, etc.",
"Guy above you is referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution",
"No, they're actually everywhere. The US used to be the world leader in production, until supply chains shifted.\n\nhttps://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/30/the-u-s-is-trying-to-reclaim-its-rare-earth-mantle/\n\nRare earth materials aren't actually rare, compared to something like gold for example. Rather they're simply expensive to extract and refine. So it's been cheaper to buy the product from Chinese sources than domestically. But the material is still in the ground in the US if anyone wishes to dig it up.",
"**[Chinese Communist Revolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution)** \n \n >The Chinese Communist Revolution, known in mainland China as the War of Liberation, was the conflict, led by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and Chairman Mao Zedong, that resulted in the proclamation of the People's Republic of China, on 1 October 1949. The revolution began in 1946 after the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–45) and was the second part of the Chinese Civil War (1945–49).\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
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"Chinese shills have been trying to make the word \"sinophobic\" stick for so long, but it never will lol.\n\nWe can all see through your attempt at gaslighting and conditioning people through the internet, but Winnie can't ban Reddit comments that disagree with him in the west so it'll never work lmfao",
">people just want to virtue signal.\n\nVery true.",
"I'm sorry I don't know what point you are trying to make.",
"Come on you're gonna have to do better than that to make your case! I guess 1 cent doesn't really buy a good comment at the end of the day, Winnie might need to upgrade from the 1 cent army to the 1 dollar army if he wants to win.",
"You didn't want to debate with someone who doesn't have a frame of reference that includes living in the US and China, so here is someone who does have that frame of reference. Even more specifically, I work with exactly the individuals the thread is talking about. \n\nSo here is your chance to discuss the issue with someone in a position of experience and knowledge.",
"I too call genocidal regimes boogey-men.",
"Correct this is included for US companies. \n\nThat’s the whole point.",
"Bro the shilling here is out of control",
"Ok, so make your argument.",
"They overruled and amendment with a bill?",
"We disagree on the facts. Censorship exists in every country and you're a fool if you think otherwise. The US serves it up with a healthy dose of war propaganda. \n\n\n>You not understanding the second half of my argument is proof you have no concept of what it is to be free\n\nNo, I meant I didn't understand you grammatically.",
"It's not a new word just because you learned it, homie. \n\ncool xinnie the pooh joke, never heard it before\n\nyou're definitely not falling for a campaign 👌 I'll see you in the next Tank Man thread that will inevitably be upvoted to the front page within the next 24 hours",
"I mean I can't unstructure my grammar to suit someone that doesn't speak the language natively. It is what it is, and it is grammatically sound. \n\nYou have no idea what the difference is between Chinese censorship and what you would call \"american censorship\". It's hilarious that you would argue this point when I can literally denounce everything the government does in the US, wish death upon all the politicians, and receive no penalty from the government because it is all protected speech.",
"Um not exactly. China imports US food. Food isn't something you can just go without like you can cheap electronics and plastic toys. \n \nChina replaced some of their US imported food with Brazil but if the US can get Brazil on board China is fucked.",
"tit-for-tat",
"I am a native speaker, you racist prick.",
"Lol then you should have no issue understanding my sentence structure. You misusing the word racist only further reduces its effectiveness :) Say hi to Winnie for me.",
"I already said I agreed with /u/filmbuffering . By that I mean, I agree with his reasoning as to why why they would study in the US and return home.",
"Like from Tianamen back to Tianamen?",
"I apologize there are a ton of shills in this thread. In good faith, can you be more specific in what you agree / disagree with what I said so I can respond. Specifically if there is a point you want to talk about I am more than willing to discuss.",
"Perhaps every Chinese grad student (or every foreign grad student period) should get a green card upon graduation... wouldn't be surprised if the majority would end up saying. \n\nLet China compete for having them back on the free market...",
"Again, I'm not from China. You assuming so is why I'm calling you racist.",
"Well you called me racist and a prick because I told you that my argument was grammatically sound. So why would I continue discussing in good faith with someone who is clearly either deranged or a shill? You didn't even tell me what you didn't understand grammatically.",
"Except it's all studies done by the Chinese government. The life hasn't gotten better, it's been at a stand still basically since Tiananmen Square. In China there is a saying, \"9-9-6\". Work 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week. This is the life structure. China literally grades it's citizens ( https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4 ). You jaywalk? There are giant electrical boards that show the names and show yours taking a point hit. You turn at the wrong time, point hit.\n\nChina has only stayed the same, if not slightly worse, the difference is that China has been controlling all public view for a LONG time, and thus seem better. Which is their point.",
"He's much more militarily aggressive and territorial, almost all of the escalation into genocide in Xinjiang was done under his watch, he's recently been doing a major crackdown on the elite and rich (marking a fairly serious change from the Xiaopeng \"to get right is glorious\" viewpoint that had been in practice since the '80s), etc.\n\nAlso, it's Tiananmen, not \"Tianamen.\"",
"Cucked? Would you say something when it meant immediate imprisonment? Get real",
"It doesn't even matter who the country hates. If we were to get attacked, the country would rally behind people and agree retaliation, because that's been pushed for so long.\n\nBut all that doesn't matter because China is out producing, out training, and out preparing America for the war. They will simply produce more aircraft/ships/subs then we do, and theirs are far more new. Even if they weren't better (which we have no idea), they'll do the same thing we did to the Germans in WWII, they'll throw simple numbers at us. If we can take out 2 planes but the third one will take out our plane, they'll just make 3x as many planes. The difference is, they have the supplies, they have the work force, and they have the mentality for ALL of that, and we don't. Shit, one of the biggest movies in China is about the Chinese helping North Koreans TO BEAT an American invasion.",
"I mean America is incredibly racist, full of anti-science, many people forcing religion, gun violence and real violence, along with a cruel police force.\n\nChina may be worse in some aspects, but it least it's what they grew up with, have family, and they can converse there naturally. \n\nIt's really not difficult to see.",
"I mean the first person I knew who used the n word in common parlance was from mainland China. America certainly isn't a homogeneous culture of enlightened individuals but I challenge you find any country that is, and I can tell you that America has far more diversity than basically any other country.",
"How much freedom of expression do actual US citizens studying in the US actually have?",
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan",
"Yup, I got that but that wasn't a true labour movement, it was more like basic regime change that put Mao in power who was like the Chinese version of Stalin except affiliated to American business interests.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong",
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"[Link to their comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rojeqh/why_chinese_students_studying_in_the_west_do_not/hpzpv7w/).",
"https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/04/chinese-spies-steal-secrets-from-dutch-chip-maker-asml-fd/\n\nhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1153414/china-latest-news-social-credits-mass-surveillance-reporting-neighbours-xi-jinping-tsang/\n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59186980\n\nThese pieces all speak of Chinese spies by they're not, they're just normal Chinese people. The Chinese live by Confucianism, which describes a large number of different relationships and how one must act towards friends, coworkers, family and which comes first. In his teachings there is no description of how you treat strangers and therefore this relationship doesn't exist and he says you must do right by your family. This entails that you must do everything in your power to provide better for your family. Then there's the concept of intellectual property, in the eyes of the Chinese an idea cannot be stolen only shared as an idea has no direct value. Ergo: we are the strangers and the CCP controlls/enables their families and therefore it's basically correct to say that they become spies when they find something worthwhile as it isn't stealing to share ideas and information.\n\nIt's a conflict of views, in our case we see it as them becoming spies where they see it as a duty to their families and not as something \"wrong\".",
"> China economic system is wholly capitalism.\n\nImagine being this socialist shill.",
"Thanks I actually don't disagree with much of it, just that the business environment is still yielding half the median income of the US and is similarly stratified, so who cares if it is getting better? I'm not so sure Chinese access to healthcare is better than the US but I am willing to be proven wrong on that. I understand the argument of going back to family and friends though.",
"I'm confused. Do you somehow think I'm defending China? I'm not, in any sense, but China's economic system is capitalism. Capitalism doesn't automatically = a good country.",
"That's dumb. Like, wow, you're allowed to call Biden a dummy or to say \"Republicans bad,\" so that means this is the freest, most bestest society ever, right? Especially compared to China! And having two parties instead of one also means the US is a beacon of freedom! Whoo, yeah, 'Merica! That's how dumb you sound.\n\nCriticize the government if you want, I guess, but it clearly doesn't actually do much. You're still stuck choosing between two shitty pro-corporate parties that're owned by the wealthy. And if you actually become a threat, you can be sure the powers that be won't treat you so well. Ever heard of Fred Hampton, the guy who got murdered by the police for being a bit too left-wing and popular for the state's liking? I mean, even Bernie fucking Sanders, someone who's centrist at best, was vilified here.\n\nAnd the censorship happens in the way that all the big media and whatnot is owned by the rich, so, obviously, you'll never see, say, CNN or anything as big actually being pro-worker or really wanting to hold the rich accountable for the bullshit they and the system that keeps them rich causes. \n\nBut, of course, the government has conditioned the population here to be good and docile, like you, and to think that this country owned by the rich really is all that. Fortunately, though, more are starting to see through it at least.",
"Shhh you’re going to stop them from feeling intelligent while talking out of their asses, don’t ruin the fun on Christmas :(",
"DLU was definitely a fun look at our dependence, and certainly a certain level of US desire? Need? Desperation? in finding a secondary (or, secure) source for those elements.\n\nOr if 99% of the world agreed on one day to share everything and screw over the rich, maybe we'll all survive on this marble in 500* years without incident.\n\n*-being generous",
"Or maybe they're discussing prison labor we use here.\n\nIdk, I'm lost a bit in the back-and-forth of this all, learning a lot of new things. Positing a possibility here for discussion, is all.",
">Chinese student who praised Tiananmen Square protestors was harassed by other Chinese students at Purdue\n\nSo he expressed his opinion and other students disagreed with him? The horror!",
"I think the US government which has 800 military bases in 70 countries and which has spent the last 70 years bombing and looting the globe is more problematic and warrants more accountability than the Chinese government. Especially being on a US dominant website.",
"So this guy makes a video freely expressing his opinion to prove that Chinese students aren't free to express their opinions? And nobody sees the irony in this?",
"Actually the news article he's referring to is about someone having to deal with other Chinese students disagreeing with him ([LINK](https://www.yahoo.com/now/chinese-student-praised-tiananmen-square-010120513.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA-afE9iq57IOqg2ErfHoFwZQZzl_DdC-1mYHEqeAmudySOtO4a4Qw5SNsAhW9OOPM8gPxibEIZMBCaXISmdeE_Jjkbv3KtZQnQZDz8TOX-Ut8L9lzPhkaJBqWypH6iljriNkPkUYD2LzrwPR39m25xwfGXswR5A-Aoq2cuZeJZz) ). And just so we're clear now you're not allowed to disagree with me or else you'll be infringing on my freedom of expression!",
"An Anti-China, Pro-Taiwan Chinese guy who panders to his primarily white audience for clicks and views??? Wow shocker lmao.",
">We’re already in another Cold War\n\nYou mean the US is in a cold war? Because China doesn't seem to really give a fuck tbh.",
"Absolutely no one denies the slave trade (and slavery). I must have learned about the slave trade in American history class every single year from 6-12th grade in detail. As well as extensively in college.",
"wait you are telling me the piece of shit ccp black bags people and is an oppressive garbage country?....who would have guessed that the country actively comitting genocide treats its people like this,\n\nFUCK THE CCP!",
"Since you required other's to have relevant experience to discuss the topic, can you share your relevant experience?\n\nContext is everything, half the median income but a cost of living far less than that, at least outside of the major cities like Beijing or Shanghai. More to the point, the students who are going overseas for university aren't from families in the median income range, they are upper-middle or upper income mostly. This was true of the foreign students at the university I attended and of the students at the school in which I work now. For this class of individuals there is comparable medical access at a much cheaper price. \n\nHaving had the unfortunate experience of dealing with the private medical system in both countries, I can assure you the costs are far less in China. A friend spent almost a month in the ICU here in China (sanctioned motorcycle race crash injury) and it cost him far less, with low tier private medical insurance than my 3 days in the ICU+7 days of standard care (severe viral infection) in the US with relatively good insurance (compared to the community around me.) His final bill (deductible+co-pay) was about 1/2 of what mine was (deductible + \"out of network\" costs + co-pay.) Big fuck you to the ER doctors who never actually saw me and were \"out of network\" while working in an \"in network\" emergency room!\n\nMy first visit to the emergency room in China, for an accidentally self-inflicted cut that required 6 stitches, cost me a total of ~$65 for the first visit for stitches, antibiotics, box of bandages, checkup and bandage change two days later, and stitch removal two weeks later. Best co-pay I ever had in the US was $50 per visit + 10% co-pay. From walking in the hospital door to out with stitches was about 45 minutes and the facility was a clean government run hospital. Seen worse sanitary conditions at hospitals in Abu Dhabi and Dubai.",
"Clearly, you didn't watch it, but you did judge it.. Mmm.. I see irony in that!",
"If you think America is incredibly racist then what is China? Super giga mega racist?",
"Wouldn't a pivot still take some in order for it to show up due to supply chains needing to refocus? Also, your calculations should really only contain SEA countries since thats what /u/gamped is talking about. Don't know why you bothered to not simply move the columns around or just delete the countries not being talked about. Also your columns should also include: \nMalaysia ([21 billion to 44 billion from 1999 to 2020](https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5570.html#2000)) 2x growth \nand Vietnam ([.608 billion to 79 billion from 1999 to 2020](https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5520.html)) 130x growth \n\n\nThat would give a better picture about south east asian countries. \nFor one of the southeast countries you did include, India, it seems that trade grew faster in the 1999 to 2020 timeframe compared to china (7.7x vs 5x). In fact, India grew for the 2018 to 2019 time frame while China shrunk due to the tariffs. Given that Biden hasn't lifted Tariffs on Chinese goods, I would assume that the difference would only grow in the upcoming years. \n\n\nIt looks like both India and Vietnam are two countries that are growing at a pace higher than China.",
"It's not about America. This problem is everywhere, because Chinese students outside China will experience this.\n\nI will buy my electronics from Taiwan, not China :)",
"Uhmm, wonder why he would put it on Youtube if he doesn't want it to get attention.",
"I mean most of this is just projection but I'll try to parse out the meat. There are unlimited parties in the US, but two main ones. China has one, and only one. Bernie Sander is not a centrist, he is fairly far left by American standards but is well liked by more moderate voters too. Sanders was vilified by his own party, they basically threw him under the bus to get a more \"moderate\" democrat in which was strategically probably a good move. I'm not a registered democrat so I don't really care all that much how they weed their candidates even if it is through questionable means. What you call \"big media\" is a dying breed, I get most of my info from smaller sources that run counter to CNN, FOX, etc. So while you think I am docile I am active enough and armed enough that if I lived in China I would be arrested and thrown in a re-education camp, which is what this discussion is really about.",
"Watch the video before you bring out your stupidity",
"Someone: censoring everything bad about the government is terrible. We should be free to call our own government bad.\n\nYou: thats racists",
"The cost of living in Shanghai is 30% lower than my city (Atlanta), but the median income in my city is 200% higher (24k vs 72k). Do we need to continue?",
"HSRs and public transport in general when run optimally do not generate a profit.",
"In a system of social credit spying on the dissidents increases their standing. For the same reason that outspoken people are punished the \"rats\" will be rewarded creating a motive.",
"China is arguably more racist because over in any western country there are people who dissagree with the racism and fight against it, In china, that raccism is so commonplace that it feels like it doesnt exist",
"You understand one can criticize capitalism for the absolute sheit it is without being a socialist or communist?",
"To all Chinese individuals seeking freedom from such oppression, I happily welcome you to our great nation. I would be proud to call you my brothers and sisters.\n\n\\#America",
"Have you lived in China? \n\nYou are lambasting others for sharing their thoughts on China, without having lived there to gain a \"frame of reference\" but it sure doesn't seem like you've lived there either.",
"out of curiousity what's the basis of your opinion? It looks like prices are kept brutally affordable to ensure that patronage is high. Furthermore, the very fact that they've shit out a 37,000 km high speed rail line in the fraction of the time it takes a western country to complete the cost benefit for an equivalent infrastructure project (after two years doing a feasibility study of how they can spin it off as some contrived public private nonsense) should be respected. Hell, they're managing to link countries with it while ours cant even decide on a standardised rail gauge between *states*",
"Tag the accounts as shills",
"The hypocrisy of staying in western countries but snitching on your fellow citizens exercizing that country's rights...",
"I didn't lambast anyone, but they haven't lived in either the US or China, so their opinion is completely irrelevant.",
"They can stop doing business with China for starters. Not just USA, all counties, but they are all sell outs and cave into China every day",
"They can say fuck Biden and fuck trump. \n\nThey can create manga with trump fucking Biden fucking Lincoln and sell it.\n\nThey can create a theater play depicting any political party as a bloodsucking homosexual, pedophile midget.",
"I’m raped for the grapes, profit for the bourgeoisie",
"I literally just read the thread where someone who lives in China replied, gave a reasonable point of view, and it ended in you dismissing him based on some cost of living numbers you pulled off Google.\n\n\nBy your own rules you have zero ground to stand on when talking about China since you haven't lived there. \n\nWhat a clown.",
"Last paragraph of a letter President Mitch sent out:\n\n>But joining the Purdue community requires acceptance of its rules and values, and no value is more central to our institution or to higher education generally than the freedom of inquiry and expression. Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere.\n\nI haven’t heard about them finding any names, but it sounds like they are looking",
"Nobody with half a brain says that.",
"I love capitalism but he's technically not wrong. Its not communist but rather state capitalist.",
"Oh you're just here to be mad. Well Merry Christmas to you.",
"both lol",
"No, just calling you out for blatant hypocrisy.\n\nAnd Christmas was yesterday but thanks, you too.",
"cope tankie",
"Not hypocrisy I live in one of the aforementioned countries while the person you referenced lived in zero.",
"The person I referenced is, and I quote, \"an American living in China\".\n\nCheck mate. Happy new year.",
"Well put. Happy holidays.",
"Not even attempting to inform you, since you appear to be a CCP shill from a breif look at your comment history, but to anyone reading your purposefully misleading reply;\n\nThe issue wasn't others disagreeing with him, but for other snitching him out to CCP, which has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to criticism, and is known to disregard human rights.",
"Yes I am having a conversation with that person, you just can't keep up with the threads. Check mate. Happy new year.",
"You don't get to have an opinion on China when talking to that person. You haven't lived there. Your rules, not mine.",
"I haven't said anything about China that cannot be sourced from wikipedia, nothing particularly opinionated.",
"I have no idea why anyone with direct and/or family ties back to China would publicly make a video like this. Just hide your face and use a voice modulator to protect yourself.",
"As a punishment for a crime. That’s about as stupid as saying “The Constitution allows kidnapping!” because you can be put in jail for robbery. Try harder next time, shill.",
"These people are the absolute worst (user I'm replying to) of the worst, and there's more of this shill/bot presence on reddit these days, which is worrisome. In the scenario that this reply is genuine, they're absolutely so blinded by hatred of U.S. capitalism that they openly defend and encourage communist authoritarianism. It's just fucking sad, and I don't think they even realize how far off the rocker they've moved in their political ideology.",
"Slaughter in the streets, are you mad? You're aware that the genocide people keep taking about is a *cultural* one, they don't run actual extermination camps, literally nobody with any credibility is claiming that.",
"Did you watch the video? \n \nChinese students have been gagged after being snitched on by their fellow Chinese students reported them to the state security baureau in China. It is like 1980s East Germany. No one knows what happened to those students after their accounts were deleted.",
"I talk a lot of shit about China and I anticipate a war. \n \nBut my heart goes out to the Chinese who are hostage to the CCP. I hope that we can peacefully build a world with individual freedom at home and abroad.",
"Why would you pick one of the two cities I already pointed out as not fitting the general claim as an argument against my claim? Shanghai is one of the most expensive cities to live in, in China. I believe Beijing is the highest COL. \n\nThat being said Atlanta has a household median income of $59,948 or $47,424 per capita ([US Census Data](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/atlantacitygeorgia/INC110219)) while Shanghai is as you said, about $24k per capita (although there is a significant range based on the source.) So this comes out to a 30% lower COL and 50% lower median income for one of the second highest COL areas in China and Atlanta doesn't even make the top 15 in the US. \n\nAs I said before, the people we are talking about are not from the median income families so this comparison is largely unimportant. \n\nBut again, what are your qualifications to be discussing this?",
"This just in, the \"democratic people's Republic of North Korea\" is actually a democracy according to this redditor, because you know they say they are. All democracy is bad now. /s\n\n This is your logic.",
"I dunno I've worked in finance for 15 years, I think that qualifies me to talk about money. Your median income number is 2 years out of date before the runaway inflation of 2020-2021, my 72k number is closer to reality. \n\nSure let's only talk about upper class income folks, why do they give a shit about medical bills? They're undoubtedly insured or wealthy enough to cover them, so why write 2 paragraphs about medical bills like it's supposed to reinforce an argument?",
"I think \"money\" isn't correct. More \"prosperity\". I do believe their government is doing what they believe is right, but in the same way an overbearing parent believes they are doing what is right.\n\nAs we get older (and/or more successful and more power) we start to believe we're right about more and more things. This group of very powerful (and old) people believe their beliefs must be adopted by everybody to ensure prosperity.\n\nBut most of us realise we never stop learning and growing, and that is often down to being challenged. They've closed themselves to all challenge.\n\nThe guy in the video said it better when he said about we'd still have kings or queen's (though I'm from UK and we do, but they don't actually govern so it's 95% ornamental).",
"Many here are not from the USA.",
"China probably isn't racist towards Chinese people, which is what we're taking about here.",
"Anyone that isn't stupid looks down on any attempt to silence an opinion in this way. Yet it is still attempted all the time.\n\nYou see it all the time when celebrities talk about equality, \"how dare they because they are rich\".",
"\n>More manufacturing is moving to south east Asia and Bangladesh.\n\nBangladesh is like the worst example you could've used here man.",
"I picked the 2019 data because that's the closest we can get for Shanghai as well. Hard to appropriately compare 2021 data and 2019. \n\nIf your assumption is that upper income don't care about costs, you've never dealt with middle-upper and upper income Chinese. Nickel and dime every chance they get. It wasn't even about cost of living in that context, it was in support of the comparable or better medical but lower cost you doubted.",
"We very much do. The only problem we have is many people are given their opinions by people who control the media. It's no coincidence that out of seemingly nowhere and without evidence we suddenly got a load of flat earthers, and a load of anti vaxxers. Things that have been understood for so long with so much research.",
"I still don't know what you are arguing. Please clarify.",
"Reminds me of the time I was teaching international law and during our seminar on statehood every student of Chinese origin was very keen to tell all other students that Taiwan was an illegitimate breakaway territory after I had just explained why that reasoning was completely wrong. \n\nVery difficult to deal with this issue!",
"It's just insane how fervently-loyal some of its citizens are to their fascist government. This is not going to end well imo...probably in another world war.",
"Auxico Resources",
" It's always hilarious to hear Americans slag off the Chinese for being thought-controlled, when the vast majority of the US population is equally blind to the propaganda in which the country is immersed. The messages and methods may be different, but the results are the same. And let's just consider which nation is actually responsible for killing more 'others', huh?\n\nMe? I'm all for Oceania. Down with Eurasia and Eastasia!",
"You do fucking realise how much of our population is incarcerated for BS charges right? \"Punishment for a crime\" only works if they did something actually bad other than just having some fucking drugs on them. Besides, I don't think we should be fucking enslaving people, ever, not even if they're a criminal. \n\nAnd before you call me a \"china shill\" I'll let you know I'm a bigger fan of Kropotkin than Mao.",
"Kudos on your positive presentation! Having grown up through the Cold War when you got extra food rations for reporting your neighbor, you get my respect.\n\nI hope this parents, grandparents, and extended will not get punished for his actions.",
"Wow, amazing to hear such an open perspective from a chinese person. I especially enjoyed the part where he talked about the way his education depicted the government. This helps to understand why chinese students act the way they do when their government is criticized.",
"Maybe on the Internet, out in public no body treats anyone different",
"There's a slight level of goodthink around democracy and freedom of speech in the U.S. that isn't there in, say, Poland",
"The us is pivoting east hard. Whatever happens, realize that the US is the only country in the entire world with a blue water navy. They’ve got the biggest army with real world experience of combat 20 years in the making. \n\nAnd yes, in a nuclear standoff, all out war is impossible. But proxy wars similair to what they’ve been doing with Russia are a thing. And it’s never about defeating China. It’s about containing them. Keeping them second place. Just enough to continue profiting from their trade and labour.",
"\"Democratic People's Republic of Korea\"\n\nNorth Korea claims to be democratic.",
"If disagreeing means agreeing with massacring students with tanks. Then yes, the horror. And you're a piece of shit otherwise, easy as that",
"China isn't fascist, it's communist.",
"The USA is a boogeyy",
"Okay, so what’s your solution? Just never have any punishment for crimes?\n\nIn case you don’t realize it, by the way, you sound just like the example dialogue OP posted. Take your whataboutism elsewhere, China shill.\n\n>\tAnd before you call me a \"china shill\" I'll let you know I'm a bigger fan of Kropotkin than Mao.\n\nYeah, a communist by any other name, sweetheart.",
"I mean, I did say China is worse in some aspects but what you explain makes it even more likely they would go back because the racism is not against them.",
"Sure, that's legitimate. But you see that man is Chinese so their racism doesn't affect him nearly as much. We're talking perspectives here. People don't stay in a country because it's \"morally superior\". If they did they wouldn't stay in the US.",
"Exactly, and as Cold War II develops it will be brought further into the forefront.\n\nAmerican culture generally needs an \"enemy\" to vilify. This has been true since the country was founded:\n\n* 1760s - 1820s: The UK\n\n* 1830s - 1850s: Mexico/Manifest Destiny\n\n* 1860s - 1880s: The North/South (and Reconstruction)\n\n* 1890s - 1900s: Spain\n\n* 1910s - 1940s: Germany\n\n* 1950s - 1990s: The USSR\n\n* 1990s - 2010s: The Middle East\n\nObviously these aren't hard and fast dates, nor is the level of \"us vs. them\" consistent. Interwar Germany was fairly popular in the US, for example. I mention seeing the Middle East as the enemy starting in the 90s because of the Gulf War, but obviously the Gulf War is a very different world than post-9/11.\n\nThere are probably places I missed, too: I'd argue that after Pearl Harbor, the US was probably more anti-Japan than anti-Germany.\n\nBut generally, American propaganda has developed around having a concept of \"us vs them.\" The Spanish-American War is a great example, where American propaganda got so extreme that it quite literally fabricated a war with Spain (\"Blame the Maine on Spain\"). Manifest Destiny is a great example of Mexico being in the wrong place at the wrong time and thus becoming vilified. And so on.\n\nThe issue is that with Afghanistan and Iraq winding down, and no major \"terrorist threats\" to point at... there's no boogeyman to point to. There's nothing to cause a \"rally around the flag\" effect. But China is the next logical step in the \"us vs. them\" war, and as Cold War II intensifies you'll see a lot more bipartisan alignment when it comes to foreign affairs.\n\nOf course, it's possible that China's economy will implode. [Predictions say that China will stall by 2030, just because they can't sustain their population.](https://time.com/5523805/china-aging-population-working-age) People will age out of the economy and become a net drain rather than a net benefit... and the One Child Policy means that the population will fall below the replacement rate. Once China isn't a threat to the US, they'll have to find someone new to pin their problems on.",
"Wait, wouldn't it be considered an act of censorship?",
"Considering that one of your two biggest parties is going balls deep into racism, I would give slavery as an example.",
"CCP is doing everything america has done in the past. The world is a fucked place but I would rather live under the non-ccp part of the world",
"I don't like the CCP but if you think the west has 'freedom of speech' then you're kidding yourself. I can't have a balanced opinion of China without being targeted by cretins in my own country or being called a traitor. Does that seem familiar?\n\nPeople do get fired and harassed for political beliefs in the west.",
"I don't like the CCP but if you think the west has 'freedom of speech' then you're kidding yourself. \n\nI can't have a balanced opinion of China without being targeted by cretins in my own country or being called a traitor. Does that seem familiar? People do get fired and harassed for political beliefs in the west.",
"China is asshoe",
">But \"Made in China\" is everyone's favourite supplier. \n\nChina (and now, the rest of Asia) is the favorite supplier of the *capitalist elites*. The people don't want crap that barely lasts two years, but they don't have another choice.",
"Question: Do you expect roads to make money? Or do you see roads as investments?\n\nI'm not one to defend China. But public transportation is absolutely an investment and not a revenue source. Americans don't expect roads or the military to make money, yet they expect that public transportation and mail service does run a profit.\n\nI agree that China wants to displace Japan when it comes to displays of technology. I agree that HSR was largely built to show off. But at the same time, people don't give Eisenhower flak for the interstate highway system, even if during the 1960s there may not have been the use that one would expect for their size.",
"He's already made that decision. It's better to speak out against oppression than to suffer it in silence. All authority fears the majority, and with China's population, the knowledge that people aren't scared to speak out will encourage others to do so until an inevitable revolution. That's why the CCP spend so much time and money moderating free speech. They're terrified that their house of cards will be blown away.",
"The first Cold War was one by choice as well. The USSR's membership in the Allies was a marriage of convenience, yet in the 30s and 40s everyone talked about how great the USSR was.\n\nThe moment WWII ended... that changed.",
">and the One Child Policy means that the population will fall below the replacement rate.\n\nChina ditched the One Child Policy a while ago, not that it had the intended effect.",
"I’m glad to see I why you didn’t want to discuss the sensible motivations of short-term Chinese students abroad: you don’t have any knowledge of the topic. \n\nWhich is a pity are many fascinating other factors we could have discussed or given you information about, too.",
"they actually can't... not if they want to function as a (profitable) business anymore.",
"Yes, very interesting",
"!RemindMe 6 months",
"You aren't American or Chinese, kindly fuck off and stick to your lane :)",
"I can’t relate to those who make the calls, but when you see the wealth some of the people in charge make…. A part of you wishes doing what’s right would overcome the thirst for more profit. But what do I know",
"Oh, I know. But the damage has been done, is my point.",
"Probably don't want to go around depicting peadophilia though",
"Just saying there's resources elsewhere is meaningless if there's no supply chain established to get at it. China represents the majority of the existing supply chain and that can't be changed in short time frames, it's going to take years for alternatives to come online and ramp up.\n\nIts not simply a question of paying a bit more to get it from elsewhere.",
"The young generation in China is the most brainswashed i gotta say unfortunately. They've experienced nothing but CCP and economic growth, so they think there's nothing better or greater. Weirdly enough the older generations are the ones more critical of China's present and past.",
"My main issue is that China doesn't accept what it is.\n\nChina is a dictatorship. Basic human rights (such as freedom of speech and freedom of expression) don't exist there. Yet that runs counter to what socialism is supposed to be.\n\nChina claims to be socialist, yet the only thing which has changed is who is in the bourgeoisie and who is in the proletariat. Socialism is supposed to put the power in the hands of the workers, yet many of China's workers are slaving away in sweat shops without being able to take advantage of the fruits of their labor. Instead, party elites get rich off the backs of the workers.\n\nI don't think this structure will collapse on itself - Tiananmen is proof that dissidents will be crushed, and even Hong Kong will eventually be consumed. But I do wonder how long they'll be able to maintain the cognitive dissonance between what socialist ideas state and what the reality is.\n\nEven Mao was aware that China was moving away from being a socialist state. In a letter to Jiang Qing near the end of his life:\n\n> I have been deceived. \n> We are separating into two worlds. \n> May each find his peace. \n> These few characters may be my last to you... \n> A man's life has limits. \n> But revolution has none. \n> In the struggle of the last ten years, I have tried to reach the summit of revolution. But I have failed. \n> Perhaps you can reach the summit. \n> If you fail, you'll fall into an unfathomable abyss. Your body will be torn to pieces, your bones will break. \n> No deal with others is good. \n> If the blade turns, and I believe it has, against the revolution \n> Once again guerrilla war will be necessary... \n> Again Yenan...\n\nMao calling for a second armed revolution to fight the CCP is a _pretty big deal_.",
"Yeah but will you get taken away by secret police if you express your opinion? See I can say things like Tianamen Square Massacre, and Xijing Ping looks like whinnie the Pooh, and Uyghir Muslims are being genocided as we speak. Remove head from ass.",
"> The life hasn't gotten better, it's been at a stand still basically since Tiananmen Square. \n\nMy goodness what a horseshit statement",
"When China will take over Africa it would be too late",
"*Antifa has to be anti-fascist! It's in the name!*\n\nedit: Oh is that not such a witty comeback any more?",
"Some people work closely and regularly with this exact type of Chinese expat college students professionally and they’re *not* American. Can you believe that? \n\n80,000+ Chinese study in each of Japan, Australia, the UK and South Korea, where they face and talk about these same issues as they do in the US.\n\nYou’re small-minded, incurious, insulated and a nationalist that won’t voluntarily learn about anything.",
"Ok, I really don’t know what im talking about for starters. But if I was to guess, for one we must be contributing to their economy to an extent by being there and doing business in many different ways. Companies should pull out and bring light to what is going on over there. \n\nPoliticians need to step up and speak out against what’s going on without the fear they will lose their donors.",
"10x as large? Sure about that?",
"One of the biggest lithium reserves in the world is in California. It’s just not politically possible to mine it. Yet.",
"Xi turning China into North Korea",
"I have a friend who is from mainland China. She came to the US to study, and she graduated/has a job in the US... but I don't think her current visa allows her to be here permanently.\n\nEvery now and again, China comes up and I always walk on eggshells. Thankfully, one day she mentions how she wishes Hong Kong could be free and that set me at ease.\n\nBut she can never post anything on social media, nor is she comfortable talking about it at all anywhere but in person, directly.\n\nThe only time she talked about anything outside of in-person was when we were playing a game together on Discord. One of our teammates had a username of \"19890604.\" I mentioned offhand that I thought it was strange that they chose a random number for their username.\n\nShe says: \"That's not a random number.\"",
"In not a fan of communism, but China is incredibly far from Communist. They're a right wing, highly authoritarian country whose economy very much functions like a monopolistic capitalism.\n\nIn many regards they're like Soviet Russia after the early years, when the facist Stalin bullied his way into power... Except they're more aggressive, value life even less, and the West had not taken them seriously.",
"If your friends are in the trades, “American Made” tools often perform better and last much longer than their foreign counterparts. Even if some of the source parts came from overseas.\n\nA good example are channellock brand pliers. I’m sure some of the components are made in China, but they’re all assembled here and they always have a higher build quality. They last literally forever.",
"\"I can't have a balanced opinion of Nazi's without being targeted by cretins\"\n\nFreedom of speech gives you the right to say what you want, that doesn't make you free from criticism or social response. The difference in countries without it, such as China, is you don't have that freedom. You are risking losing your career, friends, family or your life itself because the government threatens and controls everything.",
"Lol I have Chinese student friend who got granted permanent residency in my country, as soon as he found out he could stay he went fucking off about the CCP. It was fucking hilarious",
"Communism by definition has no leaders. I wish people, especially boomers, understood this simple fact.\n\nThe CCP is an autocracy",
"Traditionally studying abroad is a way to spread your culture to the students, but the Chinese way of having students checking on eachother for disunity flys in the face of this. All these students are good for is paying fees and ensuring CCP access to your tech and research. You can't really hope to influence CCP dogma with returning educated liberalised young people anymore.",
">\"I can't have a balanced opinion of Nazi's without being targeted by cretins\"\n\nAll of China = Nazi? Yeah, right. There are good people in China just as there are terrible people in my own country. It seems you like enjoying making sweeping statements.\n\n>make you free from criticism\n\nIt's not criticism, that would suggest these points have salience. I'm barely offended these days because the understanding of China is at an all time low. I have no doubt half of the posters in this topic are worse humans than some of the good people I've met in China.\n\nI've had more than enough interactions to prove so.",
"That’s exactly how I lost a very close friend. *shrug*, she made her choice",
"How about you \"move\" to your own country and stop exploiting poor nations for workforce?\n\nPay fucking more for t-shirt.",
"They usually have families. Families that can face accidental hardships if their children don't return to help them.",
"I had a friend in college from China, nice guy. Always happy to study with me and chat about his country. He overhead me talking about Hong Kong one day as I had visited not too long ago. I don't remember what I said but probably something along the lines of \"what China is doing to HK is worrying/scary\". I didn't know he was in the room at the time, not that it mattered. \n\nHe didn't talk to me for a month after that and he let slip after I got chatting to him that him and all his friends had thought I hated Chinese people. I remained friends with him after that and upon graduating he invited me to stay any time I wanted with him.\n\nHaving said that he also proceeded to rant to me that HK were extremely lucky the Chinese government doesn't just crush them as they could if they wanted. He was always super careful to stress to me how much he loved his country. I think he was also temporarily banned from WeChat (Chinese WhatsApp) for starting political shit in an asian uni society, not sure which one.\n\nSeeing him flip into I love China mode in an instant if he sensed his countys integrity (or his own loyalty) was being threatened was the most polarising behaviour I've ever seen from such a young well educated individual. I often wonder did his experience in a western country change the way he saw things and does he actually love his country that much. I also definitely didn't agree with his idea of women's place in society but I think he was a bit immature for his age.",
"Brave guy",
"Can you explain the number thing?\n\nEdit: nvm figured it out. It’s a date.",
"You completely brushed over the points. Both countries are authoritarian regimes who committed (are committing) genocide and completely restrict human rights. If was a broad statement to show what a ridiculous thing you were trying to say about freedom of speech and expression.\n\nEvery country has good people, and shitty people. If I criticise my government in the UK, I'm not complaining about the people getting on with their lives here, the same goes for any nation. I would easily argue that the education system however will create disproportionately more people in China who value nationalism over human life. In the same way the media and education system in the UK over the last 60 years has created a generation full of fears of immigration, progression and change. The government wanted that because if fit with what they wanted at the time, fueling outrage for wars, but now they are suffering the consequences with Brexit, a growing far right, and others social issues.\n\nYou cannot expect free speech to mean that people have to accept your opinions and sit there as you say offensive things. Free speech creates dialogue and the ability to share ideas, but society polices that through morals and progressive ideals . In countries without it, it's instead controlled by corporation and government, and you're at constant risk and under threat if you say anything against the party line.",
"I know, it's crazy isn't it? We had all that time with Trump and so many bad things happened, the whole world thinks we're just a boogeyman, when really it's just Trump and all his crazy followers, right? I mean who would be so stupid as to follow that idiot? It's like you believe absolutely anything as being truth, like people who read the Bible. And then they call themselves conservative as they sleep with their neighbors wives and hide their illegitimate children through the veil of racism and xenophobic behavior. Half their kids turn out to be gay anyway but that's what you'd expect after drinking the milk of the same cow that Dad f***** last night while cousin Billy beat off watching his uncle buttfuck a milking heifer.",
"China and America are comparable in many ways, but China is undeniably worse. Look at what's happened with the protests in Hong Kong, how they utilize their surveillance networks, the things that they erase from their history and block on the internet and the fact that they have a real, functioning social credit system. America might not be too far off on some things, and I'm all for playing devil's advocate, but the insinuation that the two countries are basically the same is a dangerous one as some would use it to encourage the idea that we should all stop whining and yield to the same level of authoritarianism. The only question you need to ask yourself is if you'd rather be a US citizen or a Chinese citizen.",
"tiananmen square",
"> So you’re telling me that it was the right call for Trump to make when it came to dispensing the US international disease division because as you both say “we will respond when we get there”\n\nYou realize by spreading this ignorant mindset you are only spreading that bullshit propaganda",
"Are you okay?",
"China is about as communist as the DPRK is democratic.",
"For now. We gotta get a new enemy every decade or so.",
"> As a punishment for a crime.\n\nOkay, this is hilarious. You're defending slavery because you can't think of a better way to get back at the /r/sino user?\n\nChina also has slavery as a punishment for crime (on top of genocide and regular slavery, but that's besides the point). By your logic, that's absolutely ok.\n\nYou should try harder as well. How about - I don't know - being against any kind of slavery while calling China out for relying on it _and_ acknowledging that the US is in the wrong as well? Nah, that would require self-reflection.",
"Not after hearing that Alex Jones' wife was arrested for domestic abuse after having a mental breakdown because she couldn't fit his tiny penis into her mouth at the same time she was trying to get both of his big balls in it as well. I mean she didn't have to swallow or anything, just trying to get all three parts in her mouth at the same time and as small as his little penis is, she still wasn't able to do it and had a fit. I feel bad for her. It's like making a cup of tea but the teabag string keeps getting in the way",
"Bc of covid not Bc of some coordinated effort to do anything to China and it’s dominance. \n\nPeople are scared they can’t buy cheap labor…",
"Lol. China is left with Africa because it missed out in making friends with the popular kids aka the west when they needed to. Now they're scrambling to make alliance with the less popular kids. Hey you gotta do what u gotta do.",
"I mean a life long of taking exams to squeeze into a prestigious institution leave the rest of your mind, well, bit lacking.",
"“Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to \ncollude with foreign governments in repressing, will need to pursue \ntheir education elsewhere,” he wrote.\n\nSo i am assuming they did or he is talking bs",
"I remember during my MSc we were chatting with a Chinese student and mentioned Tiananmen Square and he said in a small, shocked voice “you know about that?!” When we showed him the tank man pic on Google as the first hit he was excited a moment but then remembered himself. “Of course, we don’t really know who was behind the students…”\n\nFelt very bad for him.",
"Fuck china's shitty fascist government",
"That's not good. Trade brings most exchange of ideas, sanctions have never ever worked in improving people's lives in the country being sanctioned, other than making you feel morally superior. Give me an example where economical sanctions forced a government to treat its people better. I'll wait. \n\nTalk is cheap, trade is golden. Exchanging an established trading partnership for some talk about rights is a movement 10 steps backwards.",
"Thanks for giving me the opportunity to downvote you twice.",
"Next you'll be saying schools and hospitals shouldn't be run to generate a profit.",
"Lol classic Reddit, downvoting someone for making a correction which is a straight up unambiguous fact.",
"What is your point? I’m honestly baffled. China also punishes people with prison and fines. So is your argument that “because China does it, the US shouldn’t”? So what sort of punishment do you propose?\n\nBesides, why draw the line at “slavery” as punishment for a crime? Yeah, throw someone in prison, make them lose their job, ruin their life, totally cool. But let them work off their debt to society? Nah, nah, OnLy ChInA dOeS tHaT!!!!!! Without the Constitution allowing “involuntary servitude” as punishment for a crime, courts would have no authority to give community service. Do you want to live in a world where people *always* go to go to jail for making a dumb mistake like getting in a bar fight, rather than having to pick up trash on the weekends? Maybe you do, but personally, I’m not as bloodthirsty when it comes to retributive justice as you seem to be.",
"That's not really of any consideration tbh. You'd rather live in US? Probably. But China vs say, Somalia? You'd choose China over Somalia. It's simply an issue of standard of living and social mobility. The types of slogans Governments yell out has little to do with it. If they do their job it will be reflected in std of living.",
"China isn't short of martyrs. And it needs more about now to bring changes. Honor his ideas.",
"What I don't understand: he avoids talking about certain topics for obvious reasons. But what he's saying here won't get him into trouble? I kinda don't think this is vague enough...",
"Oh nah I didn't mean it that way. I meant I would rather live in a western country, specifically part of the NATO.",
"Dude no. They really were horrific that's why they lost the civil war and got kicked out. Then they terrorized Taiwan for years. Talk to some tw ppl, that party isn't too popular either.",
"You can tell yourself that lie all day long, but it'll never be true. China is communist, and had been for decades. Just because you, like a religious zealot who still supports their corrupt church, lack the integrity and honesty to admit that you're dogma is a horrific failure, does not mean it isn't what it is. \n\nYou can cry \"But it's not REAL communism\" all day long, but facts are facts: Karl Marx's ignorant ideas are a genocidal maniac's wet dream. Communists in the 20th century murdered so many people they made the Nazis look like rank amateurs.",
"How is that weird. Cultural revolution is fucked up big time. My parents lived it. I had no idea. Nothing like first hand experience of a month of not able to even eat rice to see the flaws of your government.",
"That's... Not it lol. \n\nChinese seek America because it is objectively better, idealisms aside. There's no need at all, to bring freedom into the discussion. This country is superior, facts.",
"My point is that \"China is doing worse\" is not the defense for slavery you think it is.\n\nNo other developed nation relies on this inhumane anachronism. No other developed nation has as high recidivism rates. No other developed nation comes even close to having as many people in prison. 0.7% of the adult population in the US is behind fucking bars. And you can bet your ass that it mostly targets black people, who get way longer sentences on average than white people.\n\nSlavery as a form of punishment is still slavery, no matter how bad other countries might be. How about you try to be better than to just point your finger at totalitarian shitholes and exclaim \"We're good enough\"?\n\nIs China _really_ the nation you want to compare yourself to?",
"Yeah because they're objectively better innit. As in, better air, water, education, lower stress. There's not much discussion about ideology, and most people don't care for it",
"Ah yes, the only way you can treat crime is either literal enslavement or letting anyone do whatever they want. Restorative justice and rehabilitation do not exist. I'll never understand the perverse attitude that the state should inflict harm upon someone to punish them, rather than helping them become better people. \n\nI should have known better than having this discussion with someone who thinks all communists are the same. If that were true we'd never see events like the tensions between Tito and Stalin, or the Sino-Soviet Split. You wouldn't see the infinite amount of arguments online on \"tankies\" versus \"anarkiddies\". To help you along since you don't seem to understand, I believe much more in bottom-up worker democracies than the top-down control you get in China or had in the Soviet Union.",
"I really don’t care about you student or any of the millions of people who live under a opresivo régimen and bend over backwards to either defend it or ignore it. Your country is absolute shit. The negation of basic feeedoms is absolute shit and that way of life will never be accepted outside China. If you a other accept it just to survive that is your and theirs fucking problem.",
"Except for Chinese minorities.",
"People under the impression that the US is an international boogyman probably have a longer outlook than the last 6 years. Think more like imperialism starting in the Philippines in 1889 continuing to today, regime change multiple times across the world, drones strikes and unilateral military actions.\n\n\nAll of this happened under Democrats and Republicans, trying to pass it off as \"just those crazy republicans\" is moronic and says a lot about how you view politics.",
"He didn't defend the US prison system as a whole, just the slavery part. \nIt's just one aspect of a larger issue. Or many large issues. \n\nSlavery shouldn't be allowed in any modern country, either in a classical sense or in prison.",
"You know, you could have debated the point by presenting your reasons for believing China is communist, and I would have responded with mine. We could have shared sources, ideas, you know, had an adult conversation like you would expect to have on reddit (ideally). Instead you decided to insult me and make several assumptions about how I see the world, nevermind telegraphing the fact that you may have a poor understanding of marxism.\n\nCool, I guess I will leave you to go about your day.",
"I think we should make it a requirement for all foreign Chinese students to sign an agreement that says “I understand that China is a little bitch and i will respect the freedom of expression of my peers” before being accepted to an American university.",
"I don’t agree w you but also don’t have the interest in matching the effort you made in this reply, so do with that what you will lmao.",
"Calling someone a communist as an insult doesn't really work, lol.\n\nHow the fuck is the red scare still a thing?",
"Jesus, that was a good movie that made me so fucking angry due to how accurate it was.",
"Saying we're \"rebuilding\" from slavery in your example is very bad wording. Slaves were the ones that built things, the US just kept the stuff that was built and continued on. Any suggestions of doing anything about the generational wealth lost will be attacked by I'm guessing like 65%? of our population. The US has not done anything I'm aware of to rectify what has been done but plenty of times they told people to just be grateful to be equal and that they have freedom now while ignoring that a lot of families still have not escaped poverty because of a history that was no fault of their own. \n\n\nI'm not a ccp shill.",
"Stop taking so many Chinese students from China oh wait money.",
"By western countries btw I include South Korea and Japan, hoping they get better work conditions in the future tho. \n\nNo because I can live however I want in those countries and from what I have seen living here for ages nobody cares for it really.Just keep to yourself and a small group of friends or dont, live as big as you want. As long as you follow some basic law you should be completely free to live your life. Ofc with technology it gets a bit muddy since now anyone can peer into your life but that is not that difficult to manage with vpns and vncs. \n\n\nThis as opposed to being continuously watched by people around you and your govt on everything, everywhere. At the danger of imprisonment for whatever reason they deem fit and having to conform exactly. That sounds terrifying.",
"Because they have had it drilled into them that having a personality is evil.",
"The US is completely and totally divided politically, can’t make any progress due to the the nature of a two party system and 4 year election cycle.\n\nChina plays the long game, looks at the big picture, and has no division in its government. \n\nThe USA is fucked in the long run.",
"Because people generally have the impression that younger generations are more liberal everywhere, but that's not the case in China.",
"“Divided we fall.” No truer words…",
"动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门",
">We’re already in another Cold War, whether people recognize it yet or not.\n\nDoesn't feel like a war between 2 sides. it feels like China fucking every other government sideways and everyone simply spectating the abuse.",
"Did you even read what I wrote? Doesn’t sound like it. You just hear the word “slavery” and get your undies in a twist.\n\nPutting aside that the majority of what you wrote has *nothing* to do with slavery as punishment, your statement that “No other developed nation relies on this inhumane anachronism” is just provably wrong. Name me one developed nation that doesn’t allow for issuing forced servitude as a punishment. Spoiler alert: The UK does. So do the Netherlands and Germany. Spain too. In fact, any country that allows people to do community service instead of going to jail is allowing “slavery” as a crime. What else do you think “community service” as a punishment is besides forced labor?",
"Keep your head on a swivel. We're in a cold war.",
">\tRestorative justice and rehabilitation do not exist.\n\nDescribe to me some sort of “restorative justice” or “rehabilitation” that doesn’t involve forcing someone to do something as a matter of law (i.e., slavery), paying a fine, or throwing them in prison. Please, I’d love to hear this.",
"Thank you for making my point for me. The same holds true for \"those crazy liberals\". While it is true both sides of the political spectrum of the United States have played significant roles in the long-term development of its geopolitical status, most of the damage to international relations in the last few decades very likely can be attributed mostly to Republicans.",
"*laughs in 2025*",
"Leftist education lmao",
"Ontop of literally announcing (nationally) to not use tiktok, huwei, and other Chinese platflorms",
"So what is an appropriate punishment for minor offenses that don’t merit jail or a fine? Why shouldn’t someone be forced to pick up trash by the side of the road as an alternative to sending them to prison? Literally every civilized country I can think of allows this. I really don’t get why it’s even controversial.",
"动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门",
"But they need the Australia and US coal though. We should have them over a barrel. Regardless, it's an entangled mess I don't appreciate, I do however think they plan to hegemonize which should be arrested at all costs.",
"why is this downvoted?",
">most of the damage to international relations in the last few decades very likely can be attributed mostly to Republicans\n\nFair point when the three Democratic administrations we've had since were third way Dems",
"It's raw material and Earth elements, which basically could be described as apples to oranges and everything in between. China's geography alone (land and sea) grants it authoritarian sustainability moreso than Siberian territory.",
"wait who wants communist authoritarianism in USA?",
"Well the truth is really a lot more mundane than the government. As a millennial living in China (or us for that matter) your main concern is not government or freedom. It's having to work 12hr a day to pay rent. The situation is equally severe in Japan. What of your \"freedom\" if you can't even catch a break from work? If you don't have free time to contemplate the bullshit lies your government is telling you? \n\nUnless you're one of the few who really value political freedom, you actually just want free time to watch shows or play video games, and those needs are sadly a struggle regardless where you are. And in a way that's how population control works: drag you down with work and family until you're pacified and neutralized. Same reason why most radical and forward thinking are students. They are idealized, and without \"real\" responsibilities. And as a result can actually bring real changes they see fit. \n\nI'd say for you, or most people, living in the west or somewhere more strict, say Singapore, will make very little difference politically speaking. There's simply no need to pick a beef with the government.",
"Oh wow, a campaign to attract scientists and engineers to work there? How tyrannical!\n\nWhy do you think every government in the world has this exact kind of program? Out of kindness?",
"There's nothing more American than hating your elected officials. Federal, state, local and HOA. 🦅🇺🇲",
"Red scare... Happened here too. The US in the past at times did similar things as China is doing now. But we have changed and evolved to be better.",
"Wow you guys really want to \"liberate\" China like we did with Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm sure the Chinese will love the west to demolish their country for \"freedom\".\n\nIf China did not have nukes and its military and economic might, it would have been divided up long ago in the name of freedom. This kind of talk is as bloodthirsty as it is predictable. Nobody actually cares if the Chinese want our bullshit intervention. We all think we know what is good for them.",
"what are third way Dems?",
"I work for a Chinese company in Canada and I was honestly influenced to bring Winnie the Pooh stickers to work and fire them all over the place, because we live in a free country and fuck China.",
"No, I've studied Marx, abd his ideas are a failure. He lived at a time when 90% of the world lived in extreme poverty. He blamed that on the British economic model, which he called capitalism, and predicted it was in its end stage, would necessarily result in 95% poverty, and would collapse within his lifetime. That never happened. In our time, right 10% of the population lives in extreme poverty, and prior to COVID, that number had done nothing but fall for nearly 200 years, as more and more meetings adopted liberal, market driven economies of various kinds (collectively, people still refer to these as capitalism, but there so much variation that is not really a meaningful term anymore. Even if it were, the thing he called capitalism never worked as a description of US economics, by it did at least give us something of a metric. Since his failed predictions, market based economies have lifted people out of extreme poverty with remarkable success, while communist economies have tended toward dictatorship, oppression, poverty, starvation, and murder by government. \n\nIt's fair to say that China has adopted certain market economy methods in some degree over the last 30-40 years, which they had to do in order to survive because their more \"pure\" form of Marxism had failed, like all attempts at Marxist Utopias, to create a world of freedom and plenty.\n\nMarxism does not work. It never has. It never will.",
"Sucks you're being down voted.\n\nWar with China is all but certain and we've let a lot of enemies in the back door. Not sure how this will pan out.",
"Ya I see your point, but I'd say that limits to politically liberal. Young Chinese are more liberal on lgbtq issues and environmental issues, but government likely they have an incomplete view. \n\nI'm quite hopeful though, I follow some Chinese internet contents and the memes definitely transcended any firewall and I think it's a good sign.",
"We're not talking about community service here, dimwit. Community service is _an alternative_ to prison in those countries. We're talking about prison labour, which is an entire industry.\n\nAnd all the factors I mentioned feed right into it. People get thrown into prison and then told \"If you work for us without pay, you can reduce your prison time\".\n\nThe fact that POC get disproportionally longer sentences for the same crimes is just a coincidence, I guess. That their neighborhoods are policed at a far higher rate is also just a coincidence. That racist shitheads talk about how it's the fault of their absentee fathers (who are often in prison for oversentenced \"crimes\" like owning weed) which caused them to become criminals is also a coincidence. \n\nThis all plays into the fact, that the prison complex in the US is artificially built up to have fucking slave labour.\n\nAnd honestly, fuck you for trying to downplay it.",
"IRC thats only in one section of china. Its not going to do anything because its China. They can slap a sticker on it saying its made somewhere else and no one will ever know. Or just ship it to another area of the country, have it packaged there and call it made in xxx area of China.",
"Yeah I mean also not to belittle anyones struggles. I just wanna live a nice quiet life where I get to learn and do whatever I want. Ofc you are correct with the pacifying effect of the job and stability aspect. Often for stability you are willing to give up your ideal dream for your life and just want whats manageable long term. \n\nAt the end of the day. You have to choose the fucks you can give in life. I think its easier to do so in the west than any other place because here people don't really bother you if you don't fuck with em. \n\nTo put it simply to gain time to play my video games, chill with my friends, research and learn / build things of my famcy. I chose to just give a fuck about my job and family. Any other issue I neither have the time nor energy to give. I think its easier to do so in a non collectivist culture such as the West.",
"Nobody cares about your semantics you pathetic commie larper. \n\nCommunism sucks.",
"[Centrist democrats](most of the damage to international relations in the last few decades very likely can be attributed mostly to Republicans).\n\n\nAlso half of the racheting of Americas Overton window to the right",
"support",
"Fuck the Fascist Nazi German government but all those guys refilling the Zyklon B containers are cool.\n\n??",
"i had the opposite experience. a few student were really heavy on defending china. there was a survey we did for our stats class in grad school, and one of the questions was “what country are you from?” and in the options was Hong Kong. immediately those three started complaining and saying hong kong isnt a country, its under china. other than that they were cool people, but they were also extremely rich. which makes sense because international tuition fee was around £35k, which is also why chinese students made up around 30% of the tuition paid annually in that university.",
"It isn't a \"cold\" war because there isn't any real fear of it going hot. The is a major point of the cold war. Much of the actual cold war specifically the 60s-70s you had events which threated to turn it into a military conflict. You also had proxy wars going on for much of the era. Sure if a war with China possible, of course. That said unlike with the USSR certainly a single event would kick it off. Kids aren't doing duck and cover drills, most people aren't aware of nuclear fallout shelters in their city (Most cities have them, my city has one under the public library), and I'm sure both the USA and China have nukes aimed at each other. But we are not at a constant fear of a first strike as we were during certain periods of the cold war. \n\nAlso China's population is not nearly 10 times the size of the USA. This might seem minor but it's still a massive exaggeration when you making up literally BILLIONs of people who don't exist. China pop is 1.4 Billion USA pop 329 Million. Which is 4.2 times larger. And just like the cold war you really have all of NATO and the USA on the said side so you really have to include most of Western Europe which does narrow the population/economic gap. \n\nThat all said there is no denying we are in a position of jockeying for world influence and economic power with China. I think as a Western the biggest fear is just losing the primary influence you have over developing countries and being seen as the standard in any area of the world. It is important to note that it wasn't easy, cheap, and it had a cost to push all that influence. The USA and west are certainly \"losing\" in certain aspects to China but some of this is simply due to not wanting to compete. I think it is very hard to argue that the USA isn't an Empire. We don't literally have an emperor but we have been holding influence over many foreign places, have military bases all over the world, and keep a massive standing army/navy/airforce. \n\nFor better or worse the USA has started to release some of their control. In some of those areas China has come in. But China just like any other empire will encounter the issue of some wars/problems/economics are unsolvable. My main point being it isn't all going to be positive for China. As time goes on they will have areas they just sink money into for little gain, and animosity will build against them as it did to the West in the cold war. And this isn't a cold war, and the USA/China relationship is so economical and influential a real war is something neither side wants. (there could certainly be proxy wars) and even if there was a war there is really no realistic goal for either side to win.",
"ProjectFarm?",
"Right on. I really love the whole libertarian everyone do it themselves attitude in US. Heh... I remember when my mom said to my teacher in middle school that I was to immigrate to the states my teacher said \"ya, he's better fit over there\" or something along those lines... It's true. \n\nSometimes I really wonder which collective way of running a society, the individualism way where you breed the most creative of minds, vs the collectivism way where everyone acts unified, will be the norm for the future. I think about this problem a lot, and I don't know the answer. \n\nAnyway that was a good discussion, merry Christmas for you.",
"The revelation that the Chinese governemnt uses their \"students\" as spies to steal technological innovations from universities really doesn't help the perception of Chinese students, in America and abroad in general.",
"What insult? The poster in essence said “I’m not *this* type of communist, I’m *that* type of communist.” And that’s fine, they’re free to call themselves a communist if they wish. My point is that, as far as I’m concerned, a communist is a communist; I really don’t care what sort of flavor of communist you describe yourself. Just as I don’t care what particular variety of fascist, racial supremacist, or theocrat one might care to distinguish oneself as.",
"Who knows man. All I know is that I will be able to sleep peacefully at night.\n\nHave a merry Christmas yourself fellow redditor.",
"Slightly off-topic, but Stockholm syndrome isn't a thing, period. The scientific basis for it is dubious at best.",
"If something doesn't even merit a fine, considering how low that goes, let them off with a warning.\n\nThere's also a difference between prison labor and replacing prison with labor. \n\nAt least in Sweden you can, in some cases, work off that time, going home when you're done. \nOnly up to 240 hours, with about 4 hours a week.",
"*I’m* talking about community service. You’d know this if you cared to actually read what I wrote. Maybe you don’t understand how the law in the US works, but without that provision in the constitution the courts *could not* allow community service.\n\nAs for the rest of your argument, it’s complete nonsense, but since you aren’t reading what I have to say anyway and are instead resorting to personal attacks, I don’t think you’re worth my time to respond to.",
"I think the difference is probably the guy you're talking about is rich. They're usually the most brainwashed.",
"Gives you perspective on the American founding fathers and the US system. They could have gone oppressive and autocratic like the Chinese but thankfully they would have recognized it as antithetical to what they were leaving. It's like a good boss who \"remembers what it was like\" in your position.",
"That probably explains the difference between number of indian students staying vs chinese students",
"Who fucking cares? It's not OP's major point and you know that. Annoying.",
"You *are* putting it in the same light as fascism and racism. \n\nIt ain't even close.",
"Complete nonsense? Yeah, I'm sure the countless studies about this are all wrong because you said so.\n\nWhat a joke you are.",
"The company responsible for running them are in danger of defaulting on their debt.",
"I very vocally complain constantly about how you can’t buy heirloom quality anything anymore unless you hire the craftsmen themselves. Which makes things terribly expensive. Just bought a living room set for $4000 and under the stuffing and staples, I have seen better quality wood on shipping pallets.",
"Same with California/NY upper-middle class people active on twitter/fb. Very skew perspectives on the world situation.",
"Aren't you fun",
">\tThere's also a difference between prison labor and replacing prison with labor.\n\nNo, there isn’t, not from a legal perspective. That’s my point. Either the government can make you do something as a punishment for a crime, or they can’t.\n\nBelieve it or not, there are constitutional limits to what the government may offer as punishment in the United States. For example, “cruel and unusual” punishment is expressly forbidden. If the Thirteenth Amendment prohibited involuntary servitude under all circumstances, courts would be restricted from offering it as an alternative. Just like courts may not offer corporal punishment, such as caning or amputation, as an alternative to jail, as those would indubitably be considered cruel and unusual.\n\nThe merits of prison labor can certainly be debated, but that’s a separate debate. The Constitution can be a double edged sword at times, but that’s just how things work. Throwing all of its wisdom out because you don’t like the result in one circumstance is irrational and ill-advised.",
"You’re right, it’s far worse. Everyone *knows* fascism and racism are evil, but somehow communism gets a pass because… it’s not “intended” to be evil? I really don’t know.\n\nHonestly, if you want to debate the merits of communism in a thread about whether “slavery” is okay, I’m just gonna laugh at you. Because communism is pretty much based on forced slavery.",
"not sure how thats true. there is a LOT of poor leftists as there are rich conservatives.",
"that's because its the west, nthe west first had issues with Russia, Then Islam and now Its China. they just can't learn its place and focus on itself for once",
"You're a Chinese national spreading ccp propaganda \n\n动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门",
"Yes can you explain this? 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门",
"That's the weird part.\n\nThe price difference between Chinese manufacturing and US manufacturing after all costs is rather small.\n\nHowever if you want to maximize profits, you have to cut all corners. For that reason an $8 pair of jeans made in china is more preferable to a corporation than a $12 pair made in the USA.",
"This isn't really contridicting what he wrote.\n\n1) The students you mentioned hadn't been given residency. \n\n2) He mentions mouthing off about the CCP while your anecdote is about discussing if Hong Kong is a country.\n\n\nYour story isn't the same at all. Its common for people to get into arguments over what is and isn't a country as that word is not at all well defined and leads to constant confusion. In order to resolve the \"Is country?\" argument you need to agree \"What is country anyway?\" once you do you will agree that \"Hong Kong is country but country is useless measure and tells you nothing useful\" (I expect this is the lesson you were supposed to learn in that class lol!).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country\n\nYou got into an argument because neither of you knew the meaning of the words you were using, it was not some great political debate.",
"The US government wants China to open up more, they want US citizens to be able to buy entire Chinese business like they can do in the rest of the world. The current spat is to get more globalisation eventually not less the fact they get all the morons and racists to support them while doing it is so funny.\n\nThe current political position between China and the USA isn't anywhere as serious as reddit makes it out ot be.",
"How is slave labor defined under that law?",
"No you don't. The electorate want business bought back from china but the rich and the political leaders want China to open up more not less. If China caves to US demands more investment and jobs will flow out of the US than ever before. Your leaders are using US citizens inherent racism to cover their actual foreign policy goals, you all going to be surprise when victory causes more of the things you thought you were supposed to be stopping.",
"From my wife's experience with several friends from university, it takes several years to \"westernize\". \n\nHer best friend's husband is trapped somewhere im the middle. He gets all of his news from Chinese government sources because he \"doesn't trust western media\".\n\nBut then when we were talking about the Uyghurs and the holocaust kept getting brought up, he would get confused because he had absolutely zero knowledge about it (the holocaust).\n\nTheir wedding had people from both sides of the aisle. The wife's friends had been here for years and loved talking about China, Taiwan, Tiennamen Square, etc.\n\nThe husband's friends visiting from China wanted to talk about nothing except how great and amazing China is, it was weird and felt like propaganda.",
"\nEver thought about who brainwished you though? Redditer...",
"Dude, I work with and for Tibetan refugees. You’re just a paranoid nationalist.",
"i never said my story was the same nor was i trying to discredit him, and i especially wasn’t trying to argue. i was merely explaining my experience with chinese students in university. hence why i said “i had the opposite experience”.\n\nmy experience is also echoed with many of the comments under the post, the same way his story is similar to the YouTube video linked. nothing said was “ground breaking”. \n\nedit: not sure why im getting downvoted. i really didnt think i came off as argumentative or in disagreement.",
"A 50% increase is a weird number to pick to signify a \"small\" difference.",
"A billion meek sheep don't know or want freedom. Taiwan is a sovereign country. Free Tibet. Never forget the Tiananmen Square Massacre ( 天安门大屠杀) Stop the deployment of mass sterilization against Chinese Muslims. Delete Tik Tok. CCP are evil dictators.",
"I'm not born into a rich family who has to maintain their nationalistic appearance to keep their money or else face the consequences of the government.\n\nSo I'm not sure how that's relevant to the discussion. Either you're off topic or want to engage in ad hominem attacks because you feel personally insulted and need to undermine my argument somehow.",
"blablablabla CHINA BAD... same shit as always",
"No one's going to point out those Spots? Almost makes me wanna go back to university.",
"You are a CCP shill, one of many. ¹",
"I mean you form a pretty strong (strong enough for you to personally insult a stranger in this little echo chamber) opinion against a country, whose language you don't even speak. That really takes the matter a little bit one sided isn't it...",
"China didn’t do better at dealing with COVID. They just lie about the numbers.",
"Watch out for all those reds under the bed. There’s only been about four generations of your country paranoid about that for you to join.",
"Why Chinese don't have freedom to of expression within China itself - that's the first question. Why isn't it the Chinese raising their voice against Uyghur genocide. Why.",
"Chinese brainwashing is being outside the storm and not knowing it's there. Western brainwashing is being in the eye, thinking you know it all, but only to find out you're exactly where they want you to be.",
"Afghanistan is example of natural resource rich country with no means of accessing those resources.",
"And this is what people should know.\n\nThey're not staunch supporters of the CCP because they're some enlightened heavenly body they'd lay their life down for. The CCP have their balls and/or labia in a vice. Those kids want to see their home and family again, and probably love their homeland and have hope for the future of China, and the path to getting that is shutting up, and following the rules.",
"We love the Great Communist Party of China, Xi Jinping doesn’t look like Winnie the Pooh at all!",
"Four generations of people fleeing to our country to escape communist trash like you.",
"China, and countries like it, are just doing what we pay them to do. We want the cheapest tv possible, but we claim to be against child-labor, etc. So we just pay China for the child labor. We can demonize them all we want, but that's like the crackhead demonizing the crack dealer as they hand th dealer their money. Lol.\n\nBring manufacturing, and the middle class, back. Reduce foreign dependency, and reduce support for China's regime. ... All it takes is being willing to pay double for that laptop you bought.",
"Gotta keep those assets!",
"oddly the other thing is supporting a terrorist state\n\n[https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2022&ind=Q05](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2022&ind=Q05)\n\n(seriously look by year and you will see why nothing gets done to sanction it)",
"mind your business yankee",
"No, they just have the most to lose. They don't want to ruin a good thing. If Jack Ma can't say what he wants, you bet your ass that you can't either.",
"You only started worrying about China a few years ago, when your media told you to. Before then you were their biggest markets and business partners.\n\nYou’ve been told to fear, in order, the USSR, Mexican immigrants, North Korea, the Vietnamese, Iran, Iraq, Lybia, Iraq again, ISIS, Iran again, the Taliban, now China. \n\nDo you think Canada or Europe has been living in fear all this time? Not at all. The paranoia is completely your invention.",
"Hmm very well said, I will be thinking about this",
"If you want your \"major point\" paid attention to, don't epic fail the minor ones. :)",
"Lol ok tough guy.",
"Our media protects China, nice try though shill. You're right they're our #1 source of business and corruption. You are the one repeating propaganda and you're so stupid you don't even realize it.",
"So pretty much the CCP fuckin blows and stifles the citizens of China no matter where they’re at. Say what criticisms you will about America and the West, but I’d take our dysfunctions over the oppressive bullshit of China. Fuck the CCP real hard.",
"I have tagged you as CCP-Apologist",
"He is just being racist. Xenophobia against Chinese people is the most accepted form of prejudice on Reddit.\n\nThe most common way to try to disguise is to talk about chinese \"culture\" instead of chinese people, e.g. instead of saying \"Chinese people are dirty\", they say \"Chinese culture is less hygienic\". Not that it sounds any better, but even the liberals think it does.",
"Anyone see the irony? Any and all opinions that are anti-China are voted up to the front. If you're pro-China you are automatically downvoted to oblivion and called a CCP bot. \"Freedom of Speech\" yeah right.",
"It's gotta be like the Orwellian reality there where the higher strata are actually more surveillanced than the lower ones because they have more influence.",
"Ok ostrich",
"!RemindMe 6 months",
"I've never personally insulted you. Just pondered the reason for your baseless statement.\n\nAnd I never said all rich Chinese are brainwashed, I said rich people are *usually* the most brainwashed. As they *usually* live in their own little world away from the rest of us.\n\nHowever, well done. You managed to shoehorn words in my mouth and said that painted an attack on the whole country and a specific one at that. Well done.",
"The irony. Downvotes upon downvotes if you talk about holding the US government accountable. Upvotes to the front if you are anti-China.",
"Exactly.",
"That's what's annoying. The Chinese have been fighting racism in the West for over a century, this isn't new. If you're going to jump on the \"FUCK CHINA!!1!\" bandwagon, the least reddit can do is own it and stop veiling the rhetoric. They're allowed to be ignorant bigots, just don't be a coward about it.",
"Peanut gallery go somewhere lmao",
"I would definitely not making any board statement like \"rich people and us\" sort of thing. To be honest, that makes you sounds one of those who \"live in their own little world\" already...\n\nBesides, if you were not talking about China, what were you talking about again? What's the difference of \"being patiotic\" and \"being brainwished\"? One step further, just because a guy saying some students could pay for the tuition fee, does that making them rich? Are all people study in that university also rich? Couldn't it be that they are just from middle class family (30% of the population btw). Or even have some kind of scholarship? I mean just look how fast you draw any conclusion based on what someone said on the internet...",
"Haha. What? It takes no level of strength to call it how it is.",
"I think it's because you said your experience was the opposite when they aren't really comparable. You may people in a different phase of life altogether. If they had been granted permanent residence and still fervently supported the ccp, that would be the opposite.",
"Really struggling to understand how a communist revolution to install a Marxist-Leninist state can be anything but a labor movement. Proletariat = labor.",
"This kind of whataboutism really speaks volumes about the level of discourse on the Internet these days.",
"In my experience, poor and middle class people also love Made in China stuff because it's cheaper.",
"Nah, I hear the right accusing Biden of being a Pandahugger all the time. Even that somehow gets turned into an it's-all-the-libruls-fault thing.",
"Seeing anti-China propaganda posts upvoted to the front page every 2 hours really speaks volumes about the level of discourse on the Internet these days.",
"Yeah the mainland Chinese people are very jealous of people in HK for their freedoms, at least that’s what I got out of it. I was talking about HK as well and he asked “why do they get special privileges while the rest of the country doesn’t?” Which is a fair question! In my other experiences with people of China, they are very fearful of talking about the differences in government and I fell bad. No doubt they have built a society where people have access to more food, health, wealth, and education. But the steady increase in methods of monitoring and controlling the population is terrifying. Talk about an Orwellian society man.",
"Remove the CCP at all cost",
"Ok. You sound completely mentally stable so I’ll just wish you good luck.",
"I was born in the US and it makes you mad that I don't agree with your weirdass campaign to start WW3 with China.",
"It’s also moving due to tariffs. Tariff expiration and renewal had turned Asian manufacturing into a game of hokey pokey. You’re in China, nvm now Malaysia. Now back in China, wait nvm, Vietnam.",
"You understand the difference between fake internet points and actual lives right?",
"He had us in the first half",
"Lol that seems like a false equivalency to me. The difference is availability of information, not desire of those in power. Yes, of course everyone in power wants their narrative to be propagated and believed, but in the west you have the freedom to research or refute any piece of government assertion you want. In China try that and you’ll end up in reeducation camp.",
"When are we gonna accept China is just rich north korea?",
"Yes, I understand this. Which is also why it was important to note that the previous statement was that China was responsible for over 60% of global production of rare earth metals. They certainly didn't magically become the global leader.",
"> Turning\n\nYeah. About that...",
"Well, let them make that decision... no one would be forcing anyone to stay.",
"Yes you can link me an article i've already seen. It is pointless. We could have already understood this from the USGS survey stating the US and Canada has 2.3m tons of it. You'd probably do something retarded like tell me about Japan's amazing find of an infinite supply of rare earth metals.\n\nExcept all of that is pointless. We don't have the mining technology to access it. It's at least decades away.\n\nPlus, again, there are some REEs that aren't \"everywhere\". Like terbium. China just has most of it. So if you want to continue having solid state devices including the computer or smartphone you're trying to be clever on, you're going to China.",
"Get them gone",
"I tried to explain the constitution and Bill of rights to my good friend from China. He was adamant that we could not just walk outside and say \"Fuck the president\" and that he's certain we would go to jail. \n\nSo I went out and demonstrated I could. The issue though is he meant that he couldn't do it. \n\nI scared the crap out of him when I did that. We stayed good friends. I downloaded wechat recently and video called him, but then was banned from wechat so that sucked. Wechat is a virus so whatever. \n\nWe couldn't talk about China in front of his phone when we hung out. Just an interesting life and interesting to see how this guy explains it.",
"I hope he and his family don't face repercussions for the video",
"Could also be Exhibit A in an asylum case.",
"Though this is true, I think many of us underestimate the prevailing influence that media has on what we perceive to be “objective truths”. You can try to be objective but all information that you read or hear about carries bias from its writer. This information is what you use to form your own opinions. The real question I think is… if everyone you listen to tell you something is true, does that make it true? Sure, a lot of people thinking in concert seems an objective way to measure something, but it does not necessary mean that they all arrived at the objective truth.\n\nEdit: having experienced both forms of propaganda (as mentioned above your comment), I agree with the idea. You paint the world as you see it in whichever fashion you feel is right, but don’t mistaken that the paint you chose is absolutely best, or that you chose the color yourself. The paint store sold you on the options that were available and you chose the best from the options you were given.",
"It's cold in that no blood is being spilled but I as a civilian working for civilian companies in the US have had to take steps to repair cyber attacks carried out by the Chinese government.\n\nThat is a very alarming statement. Couch that in physical security terms and you get why it's so alarming. Imagine if you local coffee shop had to have heavy machine gun emplacements that were manned 24/7 because at any given time, a group of Chinese PLA or Russian GRU soldiers might roll up and shoot the place up for no reason other than it was an American company.",
"Yeah I mean the burden of democracy is on the individual. A democracy is only as strong as an informed populace, and that means your responsibility to go and get informed. So if you’re sitting around waiting for democracy to work, you’re part of the problem.",
"If you look at the # of violent attacks on Chinese people in general in the US over the last two years, yeah I def do.",
"One could very well argue that since the recongized media in the U. S. is owned by the rich and powerful, the news we see is heavily biased to their perspective, and not definitely the unbiased truth.\n\nTo Paraphrase Mark Twain said, you are either uninformed or misinformed.\n\nBut I certain agree, we do not live in fear of expression from the government at least, and that is a major difference. But it doesn't mean what we see is accurate or true or that people don't suppress their opinions, in our country social pressures play a large role in accomplishing that.",
"Yes of course. But my point was that when you go to get yourself informed, realize that all information you consume is biased. Just because most agree on one perspective, does not necessarily make it the correct/well informed perspective. I’m not saying the flat earthers are right, but many complex things have too many moving parts to simply boil down to right or wrong. Sometimes, there is no simple right or wrong.",
"The west does not care about freedom. Freedom is a tool just like a battleship or war plan. Don’t be fooled. America AIS no better than any other place on death. They are just like everyone else.",
"No, China will lose, since their entire economy is built on a manufacturing base that is only rooted in paying a shit wage to its own citizens. You can't do that indefinitely, especially since the birth rate is not at replacement levels, and the people themselves in china have now tasted (some) luxury and convenience. \n\nChina is not an innovator, it steals all its technology from everyone else and its art/media is grossly unpopular in the world (compare to Hollywood.)\n\nIts in the worse position, even if you think \"they own us, all our debt.\" They're going to have to forgive it if they are to survive. The later we go into this doomed relasionship the more china is going to act out, because their totalitarian regime cannot withstand the upcoming economic pressures.",
"Hong Kong was free not 2 years ago . Sad how ppl are okay with their takeover",
"Governments especially the Chinese should not be so supported lmao",
"Yeah of course, you make the best judgment based on the evidence you have, a lot of people will be wrong but generally the majority will be right. That’s the exact point of democracy, wisdom of the masses. But again, it only works if people are willing to think for themselves. Both sides are equally guilty of not thinking right now, and that’s really more of an issue than who’s right or wrong",
"Yes but YOU have access to source information in a way that very few in the world does. You can see the exact transcripts of all sessions of congress. You can see multiple academic opinions from different sides and points of view for almost every single issue. I would argue if your main source of information is from predigested sources like Fox or CNN, you haven’t done your job.\n\nEdit: all this stuff is hard and it takes time. The first reaction is “who the fuck has time for that”. But that’s the unfortunate flaw with democracy, it requires diligent citizens who aren’t afraid to think for themselves. I think for a society of sheep a benevolent dictatorship is probably the best form of government, and to be honestly as much as I hate what it represents, China has built as good of a benevolent dictatorship as can be expected for 1.6 billion people. Only the future, and our actions, will tell whether democracy continues to thrive or if everything goes the way of china.",
"Those three had permanent residence and still rode the CCP?",
"Is he not in great danger? How could one help?",
"35k a year and you think that is extremely rich? U of Chicago here is 80k+ per year undergraduate and it goes up every .. single .. year. Hell a mediocre state school University of Colorado Boulder is more than 35 for in state.",
"If you wonder why there are people report to national security of China. These who are “love CCP” ones do it",
"it's now for all intents and purposes a fascist state.",
"> China's decision to ban Australian coal was arguably stupid\n\nAnd China does things like that all the time. I didn't even know about the Australia thing, not being Anglo and all, so I'm not included in that 'WE'. I'm more looking at China's pathetic tiffy with Lithuania. But there are multiple reasons and people aren't shy to [talk about it.](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=why+china+will+not+become+the+dominant+power)\n\n\nChina has huge internal problems. Ecological, social: and while the government has been doing something to combat these ills they are just as long term vision lacking as the leaders in the rest of the world.\n\n\nBut the real give-away to China's internal problems are their increasingly gung-ho 'Wolf Warrior' attitudes. Those are an expression of insecurity and Chinese politicians trying to appeal to nationalism to suffocate the internal problems.",
"> The average person in China has seen steadily improving living conditions over the past decades \n\nYou are right about that being an important factor up untill not long ago. Thing is, that trend has already come to an end. Chinese people aren't seeing their lives improve anymore.",
"I was thinking the same thing. That this is critical enough of the CCP that he could get in real trouble if they find out. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt him or his family",
"> Yeah I mean the burden of democracy is on the individual\n\nI brought up believing it is. That is why the campaign to protect people from disinformation feels so bizarre. If we can't rely on people to have the skills and the wisdom to disseminate between reasonable and outrageous information, if the basis of difference isn't just between values and priority, what is there to be the basis of democracy?",
"its unheard of in the UK as 8 years ago tuition was capped at £7000. and no that isnt why i think theyre rich, i think theyre extremely rich because i know them. they lived in london pent houses which is nothing short of “extremely expensive”. \n\non top of that they get 0 loan. so £35k a year is paid out of pocket, which isnt the case for most in state schools in the US. \n\na family that can afford to send their children to london, where yearly rent exceeds £40k (pent houses in central) and tuition is paid out of pocket for £35k, they are considered rich.",
"they werent state funded so i assume they didnt need ccp money to study here.",
"This is weirdly specific. What are you getting at?",
"Played large scale PvP games with people from around the world. Chinese typically stick very tight together. Very few western players like them as they typically have someone cheating. \nBut over time we discovered gamers from Hong Kong & Taiwan deeply enjoy insideing these large scale Chinese groups. Gaining their favor acting like their all about the China overlords then bam destroy and sabotage everything they worked on and handing over all of their valuables to the western groups.\nHong Kong players love playing with Aussies. Taiwanese seem to enjoy the company of European. Both just love sticking it to the Chinese.",
"The point is that if you say such things in China, much worse things will happen to you than fake internet downvotes. As flawed as the US government is, currently we still do have the freedom of speech.\n\nAlso it's not useful to conflate the racist attacks on asians with Chinese nationalism and CCP fascism. When asian people were being attacked, many Americans came to their defense, both physically and rhetorically. What do you think would happen if such attacks on non-Chinese were to occur in China?\n\nThere are many positive things about China, but there's hardly anything defensible about its government. If you're indeed pro-CCP, then list some of the good things about it and let's see if they're legit.",
"Exactly.",
"I totally agree. We should protect people from disinformation by teaching them basic logical, mathematical, financial, and legal frameworks through which to judge what information they want to believe. It’s counter productive (not to mention fraught with moral hazard) to protect people from disinformation by hiding disinformation",
"Mainland Chinese students in Vancouver are driving around in supercars and living the high life, seemingly not so concerned about their freedom of speech… it’s not like they are over here looking to speak out against the CCP - they are here hiding their parents dirty money FROM the CCP.",
"It’s possible but pretty hard to prove to what extent. Regardless of that the public health measures they took initially were far more serious and effective than what the US did.",
"In the west you have the freedom to research and refute whatever you want, so people research and debate things like covid vaccine effectiveness, vaccines causing autism, flat earth and the moon landing, etc. Freedom in the west is freedom to pollute, whether the environment or the intellectual landscape.",
"Not everyone is going to be right. That’s ok, as long as most people are right. People get too hung up on not everyone being right. Do you think all bees are right when they bring information back to the colony?",
"Oh I'm sorry, I meant 1942 when it was being reported, and the US and UK were all but finished with North Africa.\n\nRegardless, my sentiment is still correct, as the US and UK are not in Mongolia right now. It's worse, because theres no significant action being taken with the knowledge. Wait, before you point out I'm wrong again. \"Delegates boycott Olympics\". Fucking pathetic.",
"Nothing brainwashes like status.",
"Fuck the CCP. Does anyone have links to the videos he's referencing?",
"Hardly anything defensible about their government? Lifting 800 million people out of poverty, squashing COVID, building 40,000 KM high speed rail and also having one of the highest approval ratings of any governing body on the planet ([Harvard Study](https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time)) isn't defensible? You've been drinking the propaganda haterade and it shows.\n\nRacist attacks toward Chinese are somehow OK bc some Americans came to their defense... even though it is Americans and the US State Department that perpetuates the hate and demonization. Do you even use your brain?",
"US Universities are unmatched and will continue to export great minds around the world.",
"Nah I just don't give a shit about your uninformed opinion.",
"I would be as terrified as them. I feel for both them, and folks from Russia who can never really speak freely without fear from consequence. I'm not religious, but I often think---if there is a hell, this place seems to fit the bill.",
"You're arguing legality, I'm talking morality. \n\n> in the United States. For example, “cruel and unusual” punishment is expressly forbidden \n\nOn paper, at least.\n\nDeplorable living standards, solitary confinements, violence among inmates, excessive prison time for petty crime.. \n\nMy main point is there's a problem with the system as a whole, and that the laws should change.",
"SOMEBODY DOWNLOAD THIS IMMEDIATELY",
"If you enjoy cell phones, computers, television, the internet, virtually anything electronic, then no, the world cannot stop doing business with China at present, because of its virtual Monopoly on rare earth metals production. Even electric cars, and most military vehicles are dependent on them. They have us by the balls. The entire world is looking for solutions (the U.S. has restarted it's own production that was halted in the 90s) to reduce it's Chinese dependency on these metals, but at the moment, we could not afford to simply \"stop\" doing business with them, and if they cut us off, we might be quite screwed militarily\n\n\"Explainer: China's rare earth supplies could be vital bargaining chip in U.S. trade war | Article [AMP] | Reuters\" https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1T00EK",
"> but somehow communism gets a pass because… it’s not “intended” to be evil? I really don’t know. \n\nIn the same way capitalism isn't intended to be evil, but millions have died under it and because of it.",
"Just go to /sino to see the CCP propaganda and their brainwashing",
"Uyghur thing is a complete fabricarion by Adrian Zenz and western media outlets ran with it without realizing the same three sources all lead back to him and the ‘victims of communism’ group",
"And it's not such a foreign phenomenon. Rightly or wrongly, we here are all indoctrinated about \"American values\" and patriotism and reverence for our military, or our distorted and misinformed definition of \"capitalism\" and democracy.\n\nI bring these up not to necessarily say our views are wrong or right or deluded or sober, but to just point out they're views we've been trained since birth *not to question*. That's the essential similarity. \n\nWe've been raised that cow is delicious and horse is abhorrent. In a parallel universe, kids could easily be taught the opposite. And you don't necessarily need to go parallel universe. Some cultures revere cow, we view it as food and produce.",
"All propaganda is \"us vs them\", what makes that just an American thing?",
"Not exactly. And worse, the same propaganda and disinformation experts who created the MAGA/Qanon/Gop/Trump/Russia/Republican/NRA axis of evil are rapidly and aggressively trying to add a China chapter. I won't list the names of the demagogue and media outlets here lest it give them more traction, but I can assure you it's actively and dangerous under way.",
"Indeed, we're a good decade plus into expanding Indonesia and Vietnam and many other nations. Sadly, it's still going to be exploitative in many ways, but it has put some dents in China's dominance.\n\nFor all of the trump crime administration's heinous and homicidal negligence, one thing their petulant trade wars did was rapidly accelerate that process. Companies like Nike and others are now more prominently manufacturing outside of China. \n\nChina isn't dumb, so they anticipated this, and have spent a lot of this century developing their own and stealing our advancements.",
"Thing is they're both a boogeyman monster on some things and a genuine monster on some things.",
"Not true. Freedom keeps the nation in check in at least some capacity.\n\nLet's take the Vietnam War. Yeah, it lasted a long fucking time and there were god knows how many needless deaths... but the American people (through their freedom) could see what was really happening, could legally protest against it, and successfully got their government to end the war.\n\nNow lets see what would have happened if an authoritarian regime fought Vietnam... they would control the entire media narrative, paint it as going well no matter what was happening, and would have carpet bombed the ever loving shit out of the Vietcong and North Vietnam and easily won the war.\n\nJust one example...",
"What if we replace century old pipes in our major cities? \n\nWe can't do that, but somehow we'll be doing 30th Century Buck Rogers intergalactic asteroid ranching? No.",
"Presumably that person somehow has zero friend or family connections there? If not, then he endangered their social scores.",
"Not intergalactic. I was thinking we wait until one is coming straight towards the Earth and we just mine it then because it'll be really convenient.",
"It’s not just propaganda or brainwashing. International students have families back in China, travellers have relatives, jobs, a life back there. You think that if you go to a different continent and talk shit on China they are safe?\n\nIt gets back to them and one way or another they are punished for it. That’s why unless you completely cut off all ties, you either keep your mouth shut or you play along. You never know who is listening, or what is listening.",
"Nice try with the strawman there, but the topic is so far removed from our original conversation that it just makes no sense and so it's pretty easy to see through.",
"You are a joke if you think the American people stopped the Vietnam war. We were losing and that is why we stopped because no matter what we did we could not win!!! The only thing the US government did for its people is to allow the peasants think voting dem or rep actually is different.",
"\"Just mine it\". You know comets are basically water, right? And we can't keep water clean or safe here when it's a trillion billion million times easier sitting in a handy lake or river. \n\nAnd we've already irreparable polluted the shit out of our tiny little earth space orbit with debris that multiplies daily. \n\nBut yeah, let's \"nuke a comet and harvest it.\"\n\nIt's akin to this fantasy that man can go to Mars and that despite instant fatal temperatures and other hazards, we'll magically create an atmosphere and water and respect them both. Call me when we respect the planet that's already habitable.",
"But it'd also be a trillion billion million times more profitable, and we could nuke it so much that it burned up in the atmosphere. I'm talking like a really big comet.",
"The US is losing because the US thinks the Cold War ended. The battlefield primarily shifted from nuclear to digital, but it's still the ongoing adventures of Red vs Blue, same as it was in the 1950s.",
"I have tagged you as a weirdo",
"Sometimes it isn't that easy because their families are still in China.",
"No it wouldn't. Forget comet, because (again) they're water. Even if a magic asteroid of pure gold just happened to fly by, and even if your fantasy of Bruce Willis lassoing it down to earth took place, guess what happens to the value of gold when it's as common as dirt?",
"Saddam was taking babies out of incubators too right?",
"But did they have permanent residence thingy? Anyway, r/Sino is full of CCP shills many of which are even 2nd generation immigrants",
"America was losing because the common people (due to their freedom) were able to see the horrendous impact of bombing campaigns (Napalm Girl, for example), and America had to then try a \"good guy\" war. If the common people had no freedom, they wouldn't have been able to see the devastation, which would have continued.",
"America was losing because you can’t fight in the jungle. The people back home didn’t like the war and the government used the people as an excuse to get out of a lose lose situation. No matter how many American lives lost, one thing will never change, Vietnam is the land for the Vietnamese. You will never take what doesn’t belong to you. All the US weapons did was to show just how inhuman American truly are. You just left because you don’t care about that place and the people life cost was too great.",
"Probably because they knew China was watching.",
"But all the rare earth-comet metals will be ours because we could cut the rest of the world out of the deal. And we have people like Elon Musk that can help us.",
"Wow, fuck China, and it's Winnie the Pooh leader.",
"You equating people criticizing the CCP with wanting to start WW3 is pretty much all the evidence I need to know that you are a shill.",
"Well, the North Vietnamese and vietcong \"fought in the jungle\" and defeated the South quickly after America left.\n\nAmerican *freedom* to see what was really happening prevented the military from using devastating tactics to win the war.\n\nI don't think you know much about this war. The extent of you knowledge is likely \"they fought in platoons against guerrilla tactics\". You're a newbie.\n\nI doubt you'll educate yourself, but give this a read.\n\nhttps://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2018/01/25/vietnam-the-first-television-war/\n\nAfter you finish, imagine an authoritarian regime and how it would just censor everything.\n\nI mean, are you really arguing that a censoring authoritarian regime would be *just* as bad in such a war?",
"What I am arguing is America lost in Vietnam, in Afghanistan ran away like wet dogs and is hiding behind freedom to commit sin and atrocities across the globe. Killing millions of innocent and destroyed countless families. Freedom is worthless when you use it this way.",
"Simmer down and check the hostile and ignorant tone. I'm trying to have a rational conversion with you, but you're coming off like a wu mao drone.\n\n*Lifting 800 million people out of poverty*\n\nTrue that the overall Chinese living conditions have improved. But the wealth gap in China is as big as ever. There are still many people living in the rural areas that have not benefited nearly as much from the economic growth. I'd like to see the CCP do more of this in the future to shorten this gap. And other governments as well in their own countries.\n\n*squashing COVID*\n\nThey have not squashed COVID. Through authoritarian means, they have been successful in containing most of the spread . But from my sources, COVID is very much still alive and well. It doesn't help that the CCP goes out of its way to conceal the real statistics.\n\n*building 40,000 KM high speed rail*\n\nAgreed. I think transportation infrastructure is one of the positive things that the CCP has done.\n\n*highest approval ratings of any governing body on the planet*\n\nIt's ridiculous that you would cite this as one of the good parts about CCP. Seems like you're really grasping at straws here. Historically, official approval ratings have always been high in a fascist state. Why? Because if you say otherwise, the fascist state has the power to imprison or kill you. \n\n*Racist attacks toward Chinese are somehow OK bc some Americans came to their defense*\n\nI'm not saying the attacks are ok. If you read what I'm saying, my point is that Americans overwhelmingly and openly rejected these racist attacks, and it is this that is vastly superior to what would happen to China should foreigners be targeted. As a point of reference, just look at the way that the CCP systematically brutalizes minorities and dissenters with hardly a peep from the populace.\n\n\n\n\nOverall, one big takeaway is that a potential positive of a government is the ability to make unilateral decisions and push new initiatives quickly. However this only works with someone is generally \"good\" behind the wheel. As soon as you get a maniac like Mao Zedong or Xi Jinping in the driver's seat, the government quickly turns fascist, and that's what we have today with a leader that does not intend to relinquish power and styles himself as if he were an emperor. Time has proven again and again that such governments will cause suffering and strife which is precisely the reason many western governments have evolved away from that ideology. Indeed, there are many negative things that this CCP government has already done that in my opinion, far outstrip the positives that you've listed.\n\nOn the contrary, I think it's healthier for there to be dissenting voices and different points of view. It's healthier for there to be people to be critical of the government. Am I saying western governments are perfect? hell no! many of them have significant problems that I wish would change. But fundamentally, they treat their citizens like human beings and not units of production. It's the reason that I can freely say \"Fuck Donald Trump\" or \"Fuck Joe Biden\" and not fear any reprisals.",
"Yes, America lost in Vietnam. And a large part of that was due to *freedom*. Especially of the press. \n\nYou clearly know nothing of the war. You write \"Vietnam is for the Vietnamese and you will never take land that doesn't belong to you.\"\n\nUh... what? You clearly are completely ignorant of that war. The South Vietnamese government was an ally of America. South Vietnam was engaged in a civil war with the vietcong (who were supported by North Vietnam). South Vietnam *asked for American intervention* to help them in their civil war against the Vietcong.\n\nThis is insane. You don't know what you're talking about in the slightest. \n\nIf you don't even understand the bare basics of the war, how could you possibly think you understand the nuances surrounding the impacts of the free press on the war?\n\nYou're essentially saying freedom of the press is 100% just as bad as direct government censorship. It's bewildering. I'm guessing you're around 15 years old and you're brand new to these terms and concepts. But in your mind you're already an expert.",
"If you look at the number of people Chinese government murdered, yeah it's 100% clear.",
"It sure is easy to say when jail, \"reeducation,\" and threats of violence against your family aren't an immediate looming threat. Not to mention being brainwashed by the CCP since you were a small child. Real tough internet talk when it's something you personally don't have to worry about. All the while, (assuming you are a U.S. citizen) turning a blind eye to atrocities around the world that the U.S. has committed, largely in the name of corporate interests. IMO, the U.S. government treats it's citizens pretty well. (though it could do better) whereas China treats it's own citizens with oppression/suppression, but largely hasn't used it's world influence to commit the crimes worldwide that factions of the U.S. government has. I say factions because that's one of our biggest problems, and strengths the U.S. has, in its compartmentalization. Certain factions of the government can commit horrible deeds. (for instance flooding communities with drugs, and using that money to fund secret wars to influence governments-particularly in South America) Our evil is more difficult to track and pin down, but no less bad. We can still certainly make a case for oppression of minorities, and the poor in general in our own citizens as well, but again it's more certain factions, and not a coordinated, unified effort like the CCP.",
"The cowardly snitches are the one's the give PooBear power.",
"Did you watch this video? Did you see what happened to peng shuai or Jack ma before our very eyes? If you step out of line, they threaten you or your families. It's easy to say you could speak out until someone threatens jail, or even possibly murder your family. Dies anyone really want to go to one of their \"reeducation\" camps? Doesn't sound like a fun vacation.",
"If you understand this, why did you specifically choose to dispute his assertion that these resources also exist in North America, and then claim it's not simply a matter of cost?",
"The fucking irony of your comment is delicious. Talk about being blinded by hatred and brainwashed by xenophobia.\n\nMy post was simply pointing out how inaccurate the US response in that masturbatory post is to the current state of events. Of course you ignore that entirely and stand up another strawman to attack because you are so blinded by hatred that you can't bear the idea of a nationalistic virtue signaling being challenged. \n\nHere is exactly what I was talking about, educate yourself.\n\nhttps://districtadministration.com/critical-race-theory-tracker-banned-schools-education/\n\nhttps://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/15/abbott-critical-race-theory-law/\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/us/texas-critical-race-theory-ban-books.html",
"Go to any school board meeting in most states and bring up CRT",
"Are you sure about that? I looked up the current populations of former USSR countries and it added up to just under 200 million.\n\nRussia - 146M\nUkraine - 43M\nUzbekistan-34M, \nKazakhstan - 19M, \nAzerbaijan - 10M,\nTajikistan - 10M, \nBelarus - 9M, \nTurkmenistan - 6M, \nGeorgia - 4M, \nArmenia - 3M, \nLithuania - 3M, \nLatvia - 2M, \nEstonia - 1M\n\nI guess if you counted the satellite states of the USSR: East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, then you get 260M in the 1980s.",
"Hopefully if we learned anything with Brexit and Corbyn in the Uk, it's that nationalism isn't just the preserve of the rich. Your middle and working classes can be nationalists as well.",
"Re-“education” camps.\n\n-Dr. Evil",
"im not sure, but their education wasnt state funded (ie parents sent them).",
"That may have been the case when you went to school, it certainly won't be when future generations go to school. \n\nOver 20 states have passed laws to restrict or ban teaching of Critical Race Theory which means teaching on history of slavery and racism\n\nhttps://districtadministration.com/critical-race-theory-tracker-banned-schools-education/\n\nhttps://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/15/abbott-critical-race-theory-law/\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/us/texas-critical-race-theory-ban-books.html\n\nEdit: \"Absolutely no one denies slavery\" LMAOOO",
"Chinas economy is tearing itself apart and starting to stutter with many many issues. America is in a bad state but it's not even slightly as cut and dry as you're implying.",
"very well could be. but with a billion people there, there is going to be ccp defenders rich or poor.",
"Please download this video now if you have the chance. I doubt it will be up very long.",
"In my experience: there's a divide between undergraduate and graduate school.\n\nI went to undergrad for electrical engineering, and most of the undergrad chinese students were somewhat wealthy and pro-china.\n\nHowever, when I went to graduate school later, it flipped, and most of the graduate students were less fortunate financially. Many of them were using foreign graduate school as a way to hopefully leave china.",
">We’re already in another Cold War, whether people recognize it yet or not.\n\nI've been saying this for the better part of a year now. It's It's obvious when you step back and see all the influence these countries are having on many other countries. It's all in an effort to destabilize established economic powers to gain control of the #1 position. America is also to blame for this as well.\n\nIt's why I'm so against globalization. It's just a fancy word that means \"to control the world\". We do not want one sole power running this world.",
"I mean we also say America bad. Unlike china we don't really deny it.",
"Yeah, the system relies on you not doing that. Just read the headlines and follow the naarrative set by the media. People who go digging further are already set to not really follow a set narrative, but most people don't have the time for that - they've got kids to feed and bills to pay.",
"I mean it's not quite there yet.",
"i can definitely see that. the whole thing is really interesting and stark",
"What I am saying is freedom sold by the US is simply false. There is nothing free about the Unite Stares. US conduct unjust wars under the assumption of defending Allies. What good has come out of any of the recent wars US conducted? It is all done to steal natural resources under the disguise of freedoms. You don’t even understand why our country fight and allow our young men and women die abroad. Don’t pretend you understand Vietnam war. After trillions spend what did the US get out of it? Nothing! Bad idea to allow the military industrial complex take over and carry the GDP spending of our county when we are fighting no one.",
"Yeah, we do have our problems too. It’s scary how much the right wing in this country wants to emulate the CCP when it comes to their whitewashing. I’ve seen enough school board meetings to know that this is a very real threat.",
"I work in sourcing. A lot of companies are moving out of China for a number of reasons, including “slave labor” concerns, because if CBP gets wind that crap from China was sourced from Xinjiang in anyway, it gets confiscated on the spot. And trust me, Chinese manufacturers have zero issue with lying to their customers about where their manufacturing components came from. It used to be that you could just audit the manufacturer, but now the CCP is pressuring the auditors to lie, so you literally cannot trust the Chinese for shit.",
"Freedom of expression is good. Nevertheless [41% of Americans believe US troops found WMD in Iraq.](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/poll-republicans-wmds-iraq-114016).\n\nIn China everyone knows that government propaganda is what it is. It is very blatant. Most people go along with it because they don't really have a choice and, regardless, most people feel they have better economic opportunities than they did in the past.\n\nIn the US we *internalize* the propaganda, often don't even realize it is propaganda, and believe lies that fit our political or nationalistic narrative even when we have access to information to the contrary.",
"No, it's still a communist state. Fascism is very different. And no matter what it is, it's still an oppressive state where people live in fear of their own government, and that should never be an acceptable state of affairs.",
"41% is great… what are you going for? 0% false positive rate? What % of Chinese citizens believe 12 people died in 6/4?",
"What a profoundly stupid post. \n\nThe west let’s its citizens talk a \nassume amount of shit about their governments. Westerners know full well about the shitty things their governments have done. \n\nThe CCP will literally disappear your ass in the middle if the night if you say mean things about them. The average mainland Chinese person has zero knowledge of Tiananmen Square or the stupid shit the CCP did during the Great Leap Forward that literally got millions of their own people killed via starvation or wanting to cull anyone with links to the true government of China that is currently in Taiwan. \n\nThere is no comparison.",
"It's not about CCP money. It's about CCP control of what happens back at home. The rich Chinese able to go abroad have the most to lose.",
"Most people in China can't easily access a wide variety of information on Tiananmen outside a narrowly-defined official narrative, so at least they have a reason for their ignorance.\n\nIn the US we can get access to all sorts of information and yet 4/10ths of the population believes a blatant lie simply because at one point the government told them so, and it confirms their preconceived biases.\n\nFreedom of information is a good thing. Nevertheless *it is rendered almost useless at creating meaningful political change* in the US. People believe government lies anyway despite having access to other information. Mass information is effectively filtered by the interests of a handful of corporations that control the vast majority of traditional and social media. Is it more free than in China? Absolutely! But in terms of practical outcomes it still mostly serves as a tool of promoting the chosen narratives of the political and economic elite.",
"Cara is a name for fat bitches so I’m not surprised you’re out here fighting for your life on Reddit",
"I’m not sure I understand your point. 41% of people believing a false government narrative is GREAT in the grand scheme of history and a testament to the success of western democracy lol. What % would impress you?",
"Critical race theory is not the same thing as slavery or the slave trade, what",
"I can't see 41% of the population believing a false government narrative in 2015 - 12 years after the war began and after 4,000+ military members and countless Iraqis died in a war that cost trillions of dollars and which, incidentally, is indirectly a major contributing factor for China's relative expansion in global influence at the expense of our own - as anything but a complete indictment of our media, politics, and society as a whole.\n\nSomewhat tangental, but even Mao Zedong himself would blush at trying to sell a line like \"the terrorists hate us because of our freedom\" to his people. GWB dished it out and we swallowed it up.\n\nIt doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, if it catches mice, it is a good cat.\n\nWe can call our media and political system advanced and free, but if it ends up with our government committing atrocities built on lies and the people still believing the lies *despite freedom of the press* and despite the horrific consequences for our own country and others, it is a shit system.",
"This site allows you to post both opinions. Something that will never happen in China so you are so optimistically incorrect that it’s embarrassing and reveals how shill you are for the whinnie the poo and the ccp (shit shit pee)",
"Dude I’m really confused, you literally quoted a deng line he used to justify switching to a capitalist system, which on its face just means the results are all that matter. The results right now is the US government got 41% of people to believe a false narrative. What % is that likely to be in China? By your own metric, which one is worse?",
">What % is that likely to be in China?\n\nGood question. Is there a survey showing 41% of the Chinese population believing something that is factually incorrect?",
" What we do not have access to is all the choices and debates that happen outside of session which is where the deals are made, votes are recruited. What we have access to is a transcription of the theater of policitcs, not actual decision making. \n\nIt's naive to suggest that the information presented there makes you an informed citizen. And that not reading a curated transcript some how is a failing of being an informed citizen.\n\nIt's a system specifically designed to mock transparency which not actually providing it.",
"Bigotry isn't tolerated. Paradox of tolerance and all that. Right-wingers btfo.",
"Among other things, they could diversify their imports to rely less on China to manufacture everything. They can pass domestic laws that prevent corporations from censoring products in China, even if it means those products won’t be available there. Values are important, they aren’t meant to be dropped for money.",
"Nobody cares about both the comment and your reply. Both are arguing for no reason and retorting to literally nothing just adding on (the comment you replied to does not say it's effects are countrywide).\n\n; DROP tblContrarian. So fucking obvious redditors just can't read.",
"You’re…. Kidding right? At least you’ve laid bare your irrationally pro-china agenda to this entire debate, and like anything else, hopefully informed people will see this farce for what it is. I have faith in people :)",
">implying criticizing systemic shortcomings in the US = pro China agenda, despite a clear lack of any remotely pro-China points made in conversation\n\n\n>implying discussion on reddit will be seen by informed people\n\n\nAlso\n\n>2021\n\n\n>having faith in people",
"You don't even know who was fighting who in the Vietnam War. You know absolutely nothing.\n\nAnd freedom of speech/press/assembly/association/etc. is better than (lol) censoring authoritarian rule.\n\nYou're making a childish notion of \"Because America has many flaws, that means they're *just* as bad as censoring authoritarian regimes\".\n\nGive the CCP the power America has had the past 50 years. There would be no \"Meh, let's just give up on Vietnam.\" No. hey would have just blown the fuck up to smithereens, taken it, and then convince their censored people that it was all fine and well. And it (lol) wouldn't stop at vietnam.",
"Numerous people, including many supposed top experts in academia, were sure the Soviet Union would win the Cold War. I wouldn’t count out America and our far superior alliances so quickly, although I will agree that China is a far greater threat than the USSR ever was.",
"Not true. China have several of the world’s largest banks and tech companies. Maybe it’s a house of cards to some degree, but it already produces as much as America thanks to its huge population. It’s a very real medium term threat.",
"Yet, you can still say fuck Kaczyński's politics and ideas",
"I was comparing China to Russia. Also, why do you have to be a dick?",
"Just saying lol, don’t expect some profound answer from me.",
"Hong Kong's not a country, clearly - it was just a city under the British and it's now just a city under someone else. Why anyone would get that enraged regarding the issue is, however, mental.",
"Again, those banks money is from a centralized dictatorship that does not produce its own innovation, and that uses well documented fraudulent tactics in its own state, to inflate its worth.\n\n>and tech companies.\n\nWho got their company by stealing proprietary data from the west and being rich family members of the CCP. \n\n>It’s a very real medium term threat.\n\nNah, its not. Trust me when I say this. People don't buy chinese products over western ones when they have the money/preference. They aren't even buyng chinese food when they have the money/preference. They never will. Because even down to the agricultural level (raw grains, raw rice etc) Chinese products are shit. Period. End.\n\nThey only got as big as they did by the biggest population of people being worked to death with shit wages.",
"Still following me, huh? Get a hobby.",
"> he was also temporarily banned from WeChat (Chinese WhatsApp) \n\nIt's much more than just a chat app. It's an entire platform where vendors exist. It's how you pay for services. Schedule appointment (doctors, hospitals, even hairdressers), get basic necessities and so much more. The threat of a being perma-banned from WeChat is a threat to his survival in China.",
"China imports a lot of food by world standards but it's not like they import the majority, or even a significant chunk, of their food. With all that land they could produce more food if it really came to it",
"Pretty sure Mao's China was more North Korea than Xi's China.",
"Anti CCP content on Reddit? Very pleasantly surprised.",
"Because it wasn't so much a communist revolution so much as a dictatorship. You changed bosses and the new guy is just as bad if not worse, it's not much of a revolution.",
"> Is Stockholm syndrome a thing\n\nNo. It's not.",
"Nah it’s more that you’re a blowhard and I don’t care enough to engage online with a random about something as intricate as the US foreign policy relationship with China lol. Go crazy doing whatever tf it is you do spending 9 hours on Reddit shut in goofy, ending yourself is more beneficial to the world than what you’re doin day to day.",
"China is a problem sure but lemme introduce you to a problem called the US",
"> and then claim it's not simply a matter of cost?\n\nBecause it's not simply a matter of cost. You could throw a trillion dollars at the Marcus Island source for REEs and you'd still not be able to access it because technology for it doesn't exist and may not exist for at least another decade plus. It's not a cost issue.\n\nIt's like saying we know REEs exist on asteroids. What good does that do? No amount of money will help us mine an asteroid right now or in the immediate future. You could offer to buy it at 50 trillion dollars an atom and no one could get it for you.",
"That describes communism in general though",
"criticizing people for living under a repressive regime is kinda fucked but alright.",
"Everyone here (except the CCP trolls) seems to understand that the CCP suppresses any opinions that conflict with the official party line, using whatever force is needed to silence its critics. (Putin uses poison. I guess I would prefer having my social media account taken down.) But the reasons for the censorship are often overlooked. \n\nA free press and freedom of expression lead to political change. When students protested in Tianamen Square, the CCP was not only willing to suppress them by military force, but was able to do it without sparking a wider uprising, because people in China live in fear. By contrast, when students were shot at Kent State, protests expanded and the war was ultimately ended. It was without honor, but peace was had. \n\nAutocratic governments follow the CCP playbook the world over. They equate questioning of the government’s policy with hating the county. We have not been immune, though our free press and history of questioning authority has so far stopped a dictatorship from emerging. \n\nRemember when certain supporters of George W Bush (though not Bush himself) liked to respond to anyone who opposed the war in Iraq by asking “why do you hate America?” These same kinds of people equated opposition to Trump with a lack of patriotism, as their (supremely incompetent) leader literally wrapped himself in the flag (sometimes kissing it; those poor Stars and Stripes!). I shudder to think what might have happened if the belligerent trump faction had a leader as competent, patient and wily as Chairman Xi. \n\n The US can urge, condemn and sanction— but cannot change Chinese policy as long as the CCP’s grip remains firm. What we can do is strengthen our own representative democracy, call out (and vote out) the unpatriotic charlatans who would undermine and overthrow our freedom to vote, and serve as a beacon for Chinese citizens who may one day have enough of CCP repression to force change from within. That’s how change will occur. And it doesn’t look like it will happen anytime soon.",
"Lol u mad",
">Republicans often cite the 1619 Project as a cause for concern. The New York Times initiative, published in 2019, aimed to tell a fuller story of the country's history by putting slavery at the center of America's founding.\n\n>Critical race theory popped into the mainstream last year when then-President Trump took aim at it and the 1619 Project during a White House event focused on the nation's history. He called both \"a crusade against American history\" and \"ideological poison that … will destroy our country.\"\n\nThe reason CRT is a buzz word now is to suppress any teaching of slavery and racism. \n\nwww.pbs.org/newshour/amp/education/so-much-buzz-but-what-is-critical-race-theory",
"You're correct! Wechat was used long before we had google and apple pay, in Europe anyway. Just wanted to keep my comment brief. \n\nContinuing on your point, he actually did face difficulty for the time he was banned and couldn't even communicate with his family.",
">>and then claim it's not simply a matter of cost?\n\n>Because it's not simply a matter of cost.\n\nWhile that may theoretically be the case (though in fact it's not), your data on reserves doesn't prove that. A small increase in cost could drastically increase the reserves available in North America. Or not. We simply don't know from the data you gave us alone.\n\nHowever, the reality is that there are lots of rare-earth minerals in North America, and there has been pressure to develop those resources. Yes, it may be more expensive than buying from China has been, but development of those resources is totally feasible. \n\nhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/rare-earth-elements-ansdell-saskatoon-computer-chips-electric-cars-cellphones-1.5936998\n\nhttps://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/30/the-u-s-is-trying-to-reclaim-its-rare-earth-mantle/\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/17/the-new-us-plan-to-rival-chinas-dominance-in-rare-earth-metals.html",
"The scam is that there's never been a true Communist state.\n\nThe US and Canada had Socialist based labour movements before WW2. For Americans, that led to a strong middle class which Capitalists took credit for and buried the Socialist aspect by linking it to Communism as a bogeyman.",
"> While that may theoretically be the case (though in fact it's not), your data on reserves doesn't prove that\n\nSure it does.\n\nYou linked me articles you didn't even read.\n\nYour first article about a plant in Canada isn't about accessing Canada's reserves, it's about building a processing plant that specifically specifies it can accept material from around the world. If it was about accessing Canada's reserves, why the fuck would it bother focusing on imported raw material first?\n\nThe second article about the US \"reclaiming\" it's positioning is empty bullshit. All it says is it restarted one mine 4 years ago and that we only just started researching potential avenues for efficiency this past summer. Oh good, so we started thinking about it 5 months ago. Maybe in 10 years we'll have an idea.\n\nNothing in anything you linked says anything about actually accessing any of the reserves because like I just told you, we can't.\n\nSo: I told you so",
"There's so much CCP shill bullshit on this thread it's ridiculous. The CCP is pure evil, period. They're is no modern comparison. Let's just tell it like it is. Don't dillute the evil. This dude is just telling you the truth.",
">Because it doesn't matter at all. The data on imports from SEA countries isn't important for my argument. /u/gamped said that some production has moved to SEA countries from China. I never said I disagreed. I said that it wasn't significant enough to affect the US's trade relationship with China. \n\nYea but if you're going to refute his claim its going to have to be recent data as he's saying a pivot. A ten-year trend like you're showing doesn't disprove anything since it shows india growing at a faster pace prior to the pandemic. If you aren't going to compare trade data with SEA then why bother bringing it up to refute his point that it's pivoted. US manufacturing hasn't shrunk in terms of value so I could easily make the same argument that US manufacturing hasn't shrunk. Prior to the pandemic you notice that percent china has shrunk so even then you notice a trend for china. \n\n\n>To check this, you look at changes in imports from China; the SEA data isn't relevant (especially since a million different reasons could cause a change in this without any relation to China so it would be very difficult to interpret unless the movement is incredibly large).\n\nWhy isn't the SEA data not relevant if it shows consistant growth that increases faster than china's. I understand major affects like the pandemic which has disrupted trade but I could point to the two years before that to show china decreasing trade while countries like india and Vietnam were increasing. It feels weird to lump them with global since EU and South America may not be growing at the same rate which would mask SEA's growth. \n\n\n>No, I shouldn't. This is stats 101. I'm using BEA data; why would I combine it with data from a completely different source that was calculated in a completely different way? The numbers from each source can't be compared at all (unless they were calculated the same way and agree on the numbers for each country included).\n\nSure, thats fair. You should have used data that would represent SEA better since we're trying to figure out if SEA as a whole has grown at a faster rate than china. Singapore and India aren't representative of the whole especially thailand and vietnam. In general the data should be similar since they're both government agencies the only difference is that your data includes services which I don't think is relavent to Chinese manufacturing. \n\n\n>I'm not the one including or excluding countries. I'm using the BEA data I linked in my first comment. I did not alter the data in any way to include or exclude certain countries. I just added 2 columns for the math I did. If you want to find an updated source with more countries go for it. I guarantee you my results and conclusion will be similar (ie. China's imports haven't changed).\n\nSure but you chose data that excluded those countries. The data I pulled is also from a government agency and the percent difference between the two is less than a percent. Also, you miscalculated the total by adding France, Germany, and Italy with European Union and Brazil with South America.",
"Exactly. I just wanted to add to his motivation and what was at stake if he kept being critical.",
"All tankies belong in prison.",
"Much more aggressive than the guys who were in charge of Tiananmen or the invasion of Tibet?",
"Even a casual observer of China can see that life has massively improved there since 1991.",
"I’ve heard about ghost cities in China since 2008. For some reason there is never any follow up though.",
"In an emergency, it is. It’s currently not an emergency, so it’s not worth it.",
"You think the world is only the west you fucking inbred? 🤣🤣🤣",
"Never said anything about east vs west. I think people on both sides can come to agreement with what is right and wrong.",
"My point is freedom is only meaningful if used in the right way. The US press is dominated by fake news. I am not a trump supporter but he certainly was not all wrong and his stance on media is correct. The extremely biased reporting and literally zero world news on the local networks just shows how out of touch America is with the real world. If I was living in a county with this many flaws, I would try to change myself first. I would not worry about what others are doing because I have zero moral high grounds to stand on. The freedom drum is only a lie. Poor people in America has no freedom.",
"This is debunked after spending like 15 mins on Weibo lmao.",
"Weibo… LOL",
">>While that may theoretically be the case (though in fact it's not), your data on reserves doesn't prove that\n\n>Sure it does.\n\nOk, logically speaking, how does saying that only *X* amount of resources are commercially viable at current prices \"prove\" that there would not be more resources at prices of *X*+1 or *X*+2 or whatever?\n\n> Your first article about a plant in Canada isn't about accessing Canada's reserves, it's about building a processing plant that specifically specifies it can accept material from around the world. If it was about accessing Canada's reserves, why the fuck would it bother focusing on imported raw material first?\n\nYou don't think that processing resources is an important component of the supply chain of those resources? Why would they build a processing plant in Saskatchewan if they have to rely on China, as you suggest? \n\nAnd hey, maybe you could read the articles in conjunction with one another? The first article talks about processing, which the second article indicates is a key issue:\n\n>“The key here isn’t the access to the concentrate in the ground, it’s the processing that’s the bottleneck [that China has] been able to get scale around,” Chewning said. \n\nSorry if I was wrong to expect you to be able to read these articles in the context of one another.\n\n\n>The second article about the US \"reclaiming\" it's positioning is empty bullshit. All it says is it restarted one mine 4 years ago and that we only just started researching potential avenues for efficiency this past summer. Oh good, so we started thinking about it 5 months ago. Maybe in 10 years we'll have an idea.\n\nOh, it's bullshit. Why? Not sure, but it's certainly not because of your initial claim, which is that its a completely unviable situation because the US doesn't actually have these rare-earth deposits. \n\nYou claim we simply don't have these deposits, and that it's not a matter of costs, but the articles say stuff like this: \"Ironically, rare earths aren’t actually rare in most cases, they’re just difficult and expensive to extract and purify.\"\n\n>Nothing in anything you linked says anything about actually accessing any of the reserves because like I just told you, we can't.\n\nYeah, nothing at all. Except, you know, what I quoted above and stuff like this:\n\n>Success is dependent on whether the U.S. can quickly scale up processing and refining after the mining of the resources, and compete on cost with a magnet-making and processing market that's heavily dominated by China.\n\nAgain, cost, scaling, and refining (such as in Saskatchewan) is the issue, not the existence of deposits.\n\n>While China is dominant now, in the decades before the 1980s it was the U.S. that held a majority stake in this metals market. That changed as production growth abroad and mounting environmental pressures at home shifted production overseas and also offered cheaper labor costs.\n\nHmmm, sounds like costs are the issue.\n\n>Shenghe Resources distributes the concentrate produced at Mountain Pass to refiners in Asia, \"capabilities that simply do not exist at scale in the West,\" according to an MP Materials spokesman.\n\nOh, I wonder how a refining facility in Saskatchewan could be relevant.\n\n\n>",
"Do you know when the invasion of Tibet happened? When Tiananmen happened? You were making claims about \"10-20 years ago.\"\n\nRegardless, yes, he is much more aggressive. There was no genocide (even arguably one) in Tibet. China's geopolitical and territorial aggression is way higher than in 1989, and Xi's stance in HK and Xinjiang is way more aggressive and widespread than Tiananmen.",
">The scam is that there's never been a true Communist state.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman",
"Tell me one real communist state and we'll evaluate it.",
"You can find the graveyard of bad ideas here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#List_of_communist_states",
"I haven't tagged you.",
"No you just ignore the genocide being carried out by the regime you live under and instead call a foreign country genocidal despite it constantly improving the lives of its people",
"Well, I'm glad you've abandoned anything to do with the Vietnam War, because that was like a rocket scientist debating rockets with an infant.\n\nBut I agree that a worrying trend is that the American media sources have chosen sides and become propaganda outlets for the 2 major parties. \n\nI personally think it's a \"2 party system\" problem. But regardless... do you have any idea how your posts would look to someone who lived under/escaped an *actual* censoring authoritarian regime?\n\nYou'd come across as a spoiled privileged westerner that has *no* understanding of just how bad things can get.",
"Try harder, maybe cross post this to r/GenZedong. Fuckin tankies man",
"So which of those countries were actually truly communist?",
"You tell me, buddy. Isn't it interesting how so many governments were founded on the basis of communist ideals and then either turned into complete shitshows or pivoted into standard market capitalism?",
"And pointing out that this is racist *always makes the liberals extremely angry, often making them accuse you of being a paid chinese asset.\n\n\"Nooooooo we are talking about the government, not the people, calling me racist is not big chungus wholesome 100\"",
"My comment also shouldn't take away from your point, if anything the opposite. The US and UK had already prepared war crime documents for the holocaust in 42 and still didn't aggressively take in refugees just because there were no asylum laws at the time and the US had actually limited immigration of non desirable peoples like jews.",
"Tibet was in the 50s. Tiananmen was in the 1990s. There has been a lot of shitty stuff in between and since then. The point is Xi isn’t that much different from his predecessors, at least in terms of general Chinese policy. If people are just now making a fuss when they were silent before it’s not because China has changed.",
">Cucked? Would you say something when it meant immediate imprisonment? Get real\n\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\\_Revolutionary\\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War)",
"Stuff like this is why you won't get a lot of Chinese people to agree with westerners. Because when you say China is a \"hellhole\" a lot of Chinese people would actually go \"well my life isn't actually that bad right now, in fact it's vastly improved over the last 30 years, so these westerners don't really know what they're talking about\".\n\nSame for all the news about the three gorges dam collapsing or people eating dogs or stuff, either it's fake news and people can literally look out their window and see the dam has not collapsed, or 99.9% of the population never encountered whatever is being complained about on western media. It kind of makes whatever next thing you try to say get ignored.\n\nPeople think of China as some sort of Soviet USSR with people waiting in food stamp lines in the freezing cold or something. In reality I've lived in both China and the US for several years and my standard of living hasn't really changed between the two. In fact there are many conveniences that I had in China that I did not have in the US, like better transportation and other little daily conveniences.\n\nTherefore the idea that the Chinese population is just itching to riot cause they live in some \"hellhole\" is just dumb, most people don't care about politics or what the US thinks, shit even Hong Kong is so far way for most people that it's just some city in some corner of China that they may visit one day cause some relative lives there. It's like asking Americans about the war in Iraq, yea a few might have strong opinions on it but in the end of the day it's so far away and as long as people have tv most aren't complaining.",
"> “what country are you from?” and in the options was Hong Kong. immediately those three started complaining and saying hong kong isnt a country\n\nHong Kong is not a country... It is an administrative region in China.\n\n> other than that they were cool people\n\nOther than knowing the geography of their own country?",
"They accuse every Chinese person they meet as a spy or a shill and fail to see how that's racist. \n\nI blame America's educational system. Some of these rednecks just can't be helped.",
">all those guys refilling the Zyklon B containers are cool.\n\nYes, good point. So under a Nazi German government, Germans did horrible things. Perhaps not all, but many, or you might think most. \n\n1. Is that enough for you to say \"Fuck Germans?\" I'm genuinely asking, perhaps it is, and that could be understandable.\n\n2. Do you believe that other countries of people would've better resisted their fascistic government, and/or are Germans particularly vulnerable to being led to the Holocaust ? Are Germans in particular more evil and vulnerable to Nazism than other people? Again, I'm genuinely asking. Perhaps your point is that it doesn't matter; I'd like to hear it.",
"Why would Chinese people not learn about the Holocaust? They were part of the allied forces technically, weren’t they?",
"I'm glad we agree that the authoritarian Chinese regime can't be accepted.\n\nBut China has long since departed from its communist roots. I think the \"Communist\" part of the CCP is in name only at this point. However, if you look up the characteristics of fascism, the CCP is actually heading there with full rapidity if not there already.",
"Governments that attempt to silence their people when they are supposed to be support systems are the problem.\n\nMaking broad generalized statements like x Country gov just sounds like x country and creates an us VS them conversation that can misconstrued by irregular observers or easily misconstruncted by malicious actors.",
"Pretending it is anywhere near the same situation is a cunty move on the \"I'm uneducated\" side of things.",
"Information is available to Americans but they are trained not to trust any information that hasn't originated from their bubbles.\n\nyour typical American gets no news from a source outside of the country, not even the BBC and other ideologically similar english speaking outlets.",
"I don't think so. You like most westerners don't mind genocides when they are against muslims.\n\nMyanmar and Israel come to mind.",
">Tiananmen was in the 1990s.\n\nJesus Christ. If you're going to lecture people on the history of Chinese shittiness, get your basic facts correct. First you can't spell Tiananmen, and then you seem to think I was making pointless references to 1989 (which is when Tiananmen happened).\n\n>The point is Xi isn’t that much different from his predecessors, at least in terms of general Chinese policy. If people are just now making a fuss when they were silent before it’s not because China has changed.\n\nExcept Xi has changed. Policy on Uyghurs has changed tremendously. Genocide wasn't happening before. And it's not like people were silent about either Tibet or Tiananmen, so I'm not sure what your point is. \n\nChina has done shitty things and been called out on it. They're doing even shittier things now, and being called out on it now.\n\nThe fact that lots of shitty things happened doesn't mean that all things are equally shitty or that the volume of shit is the same.",
"89 vs 90 is just being pedantic. As is spelling.\n\nWhat policy has Xi changed? Were the Chinese also engaged in ethnic replacement of Tibetians? It has.\n\nThis is not about Chinese behaviour, but the people who were fine with it before but are claiming not to be now. It’s worth asking what has changed especially after we saw this same song and dance with Saddam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.",
"> 89 vs 90 is just being pedantic. As is spelling.\n\nTrying to lecture people on terrible things China has done while not knowing the spelling of Tiananmen or the fact it happened in 1989 (as opposed to \"in the 1990s\") is simply absurd. \n\n>What policy has Xi changed? \n\nSeriously? I've already described things Xi has changed. Clearly the policy on HK has changed. Policies in Xinjiang have changed. Policies on the South China sea and China's claim to islands and rocks in the region have changed. The belt-and-road initiative has changed. China's increasing control of students studying abroad has changed. China's military growth, weapons development, and ambitions have changed. China's hacking has changed. China's military outposts in places like Tajikistan and even further abroad has changed.\n\nSo far as Xinjiang policies are changed, here's an article tying those changes directly to Xi.\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html\n\n>Were the Chinese also engaged in ethnic replacement of Tibetians? It has.\n\nChina was mainly engaged in the dilution of Tibetans by sending lots of Han to live there. They've far surpassed that in Xinjiang, by not only doing that but by engaging in a system of forced sterilization and other ethnically-targeted population-control measures.\n\n>This is not about Chinese behaviour, but the people who were fine with it before but are claiming not to be now.\n\nNobody was fine with Tiananmen or Tibet. If you feel otherwise, please identify whom you are talking about.\n\n>It’s worth asking what has changed especially after we saw this same song and dance with Saddam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.\n\nA genocide is happening, and Xi has happened.",
"its the way they disrupted the class and demanded the lecturer to change it now and how disrespectful it is. so yes, practically screaming and having a freakout that hong kong shouldnt be listed as a country during a worthless intro to stats class is a massive overreaction.",
"Wage slavery?",
"Sure that too, but also slavery being a legal punishment for a crime",
"And?",
"Capitalism isn’t “intended” to be anything. It’s simply the natural way people organize themselves in the absence of regulations. And then you start forcing someone to do something here and “leveling the playing field” there, and the next thing you know you’re centrally planning an economy and silencing dissidents who you deem “subversive”. Communism is the biggest scam on people in human history, perpetrated by evil people—who know they are evil—upon those they have convinced that they are operating in the best interest of.\n\nThe fact is that you cannot run a communist society without severe political oppression, for the simple reason that it cannot even in theory work unless every single person willingly participates (and even then, it still can’t work nearly as efficiently or effectively as a free-market economy due to the horrendous overhead and potential for incompetence and corruption). China does it. Cambodia does it. The Soviet Union did it. As do countless other communist countries, both present and past. There is a reason why you see such horrific and widespread crimes against freedom invariably coming out of communist countries, and as much as apologists would like to have you believe, it’s not a mere coincidence or because “real communism has never been tried!” It has been tried, and it has been a disastrous, horrific failure every single time. \n\nI know you don’t want to believe the truth, and you’re going to just find some twisted way to convince yourself that I’ve just been brainwashed, because that’s the last resort of a communist. Sooner or later though, the truth will slap you in the face in a way you won’t be able to ignore any longer. Best of luck to you when it does.",
"That's basically just to own property though, it's probably a bubble. Renting a one bedroom apartment in the city center is like $1300, or $675 in the outskirts, which is made much more manageable by outstanding public transportation. This compares to $2800 in San Francisco, or $2400 outside the city center.\n\nA median monthly salary after tax of $1600 would mean spending 42% of your salary on rent compared to 30% in San Francisco with a median monthly salary after tax of 8k.\n\nStill worse by even by PPP but not nearly as drastic as comparing to housing prices",
"I'm not silencing shit. I'm just pointing out the obvious irony of making a video to criticise the government while claiming that one cannot do such thing. Clearly the very existence of this video proves him wrong.",
"Yet he's freely making this video and suffering 0 consequences? It's almost as if this isn't as scary and widespread as you or this guy would have us believe.",
">The issue wasn't others disagreeing with him, but for other snitching him out to CCP, which has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to criticism, and is known to disregard human rights.\n\nYou can keep pulling stuff out of your ass and it doesn’t make it true.",
"Clrearly you don't understand the meaning of the word irony.",
"Slavery is gonna exist. Illegal or illegally. What’s your point?",
">I’m not a CCP shill.\n\nYet you front as one.\n\nYou are doing me as a black American a huge disservice. I grew up in a family home. My heritage is good people. We are not victims. We are great people and have accomplished a lot.",
"Truth. As a Black American, the CCP would have thrown me to the curb. At least I have a chance here.",
"As a Black American, all I can say is that you are the problem. Not me.",
"You are doing me as a black American a huge disservice. I grew up in a family home. My heritage is good people. We are not victims. We are great people and have accomplished a lot.",
"I'm european, how am I the problem? :P\n\nI do agree that WASPs are to blame for the multiple societal problems of the US. But I would say that the problem is the minority of those that hold the economical power in the US.\n\nI do agree that there's also plenty of problems in Europe that need to be tackled though.",
"Yeah. There is a lott more racial profiling in china so u right.",
"You're trying to remove the voice of anybody Chinese on the subject. Pair that with silencing anybody non-Chinese because \"how would they know\" and you've got yourself a situation where literally nobody can criticse China. Do you see the flaw now?",
"You front as a conservative shill. \n\nYou are ignoring the massive inequality gap and generational wealth problems by using personal experience to say it's all okay if a group of people just accomplishes a lot? Even if race is a team sport game like how you present it, there is no way you can justify the way things are now. I know you had a fantastic patriotic life in america but look at the stats.",
">You're trying to remove the voice of anybody Chinese on the subject. \n\nI am? How? Please stop saying dumb shit. There's actual important stuff happening in the world to pretend this little argument we're having is relevant to anyone.",
"What are you talking about",
"Ok, so now you're going for the tactic of \"this shouldn't be discussed because there are more important things\". Another illogical approach which would have no scientists working on anything that isn't cancer or whatever.\n\nIf you engage in a discussion, you clearly find it interesting enough. I very much doubt I stopped your cancer thesis by replying.\n\nYour new year's resolution for 2022 can be learn to have mature discussions without attempting to \"win\" by killing the debate. That will be ignored by anyone even slightly intelligent.",
"If I say bad things happened 50 years ago and also 30 years and also the present and you go \"*akshually it was 29 years ago, not 30*\" that is just being pedantic. It's evidence that you can't address the point so have to pretend to have missed it entirely.\n\nForced sterilization in China has been around since the 1950s if not longer.\n\nHere's an article from 1989 documenting it going on in Tibet.\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1989/02/26/witness-to-chinas-shame/d1862427-84f9-4209-9e15-ec7c6dcd3f0e/\n\n> Last fall, I visited Tibetan exile communities in India to interview recent refugees on this most controversial of allegations against the Chinese: that China's Tibetan birth control policy includes forced abortion, sterilization and even infanticide. All of the Tibetans I interviewed gave detailed accounts of such activity. \n\nAnd yes, people were fine with both Tinananmen and Tibet. How do you think all that trade and cultural exchanges and what not went on since the 1970s? People in government don't care about human rights, they care about geopolitics and money. If those people are signing a different tune now it's important to understand why.",
"We complain a lot about so called \"oppression\" here in the West without realizing what true oppression really is. I hope this young man doesn't get into trouble for exposing the Chinese government's practices.",
"I think what you're missing is that the natural person of communism is toward dictatorship. I understand that's not what its adherents *want* to believe, but the facts of history are irrefutable: communism has been repeatedly demonstrated to lead to dictatorship. It was true in Russia, it was true in Cuba, and it's true in China.\n\nCommunism does not work. It never has. It never will. It is fundamentally incompatible with human nature.",
">You may want to take a stats class. Or at least look up the concept of statistical significance and margin of error. 1-3% changes are fairly normal and aren't evidence of a trend.\n\nCan you go deeper into this about how does margin of error work for something where the population (imports) is 100% accounted for. There's not even a margin of error noted in the table so why are you assuming 1-3 percent when that number is going to vary based on the sample size. Can you point to me what the distribution is in this case so I can understand where to get a statistical significance? Even with percentages (1-3) did you bother to propagate that error since you're multiplying and dividing those distributions? Are you saying 1-3 for value of trade or the percent china you calculated? If Percent China, are you considering the relative percent (percent of the Percent China) or the total percent you calculated for the 1-3 percent changes.\n\n>I didn't. If I didn't add them then I would be underestimating the totals. Please look into the BEA data and how it's calculated.\n\nYou did double count. Literally at the bottom of the excel sheet:\\* **Countries may be included in more than one area**. Area data reflect the composition of the areas as they were at the time of reporting. For a list of countries in each area and for additional information on country and area detail for goods on a BOP basis and for services, see the explanatory notes in the U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services release (FT-900) at:[www.bea.gov/data/intl-trade-investment/international-trade-goods-and-services](https://www.bea.gov/data/intl-trade-investment/international-trade-goods-and-services)\n\nand also the [pdf](https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/trad1021.pdf) version on page 7 under groupings that states: \nEuropean Union: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia,Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania,Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal,Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden.\n\nlikewise on page 12: \nFor goods on a BOP basis and for services, European Union reflects thecomposition of the areas at the time of reporting.\n\nConsidering there's about a 30 percent drop in the EU export after 2019 which coincides with UK leaving the EU it seems like idk maybe BEA is considering all members in the EU for that number. Seems like you need to brush up on basic reading comprehension before you bother doing stats 101 right? \n\n\n>Millions of variables could influence it. This is why I used percentages. Extreme events (such as COVID) can decrease/increase the nominal value drastically but the percentages, generally, still stay the same.\n\nCouldn't you see a possibility that Chinese share percentage wise stays relatively the same but SEA percentage eclipses it? Would you consider that pivoting? Essentially, Chinese industry stays relatively the same or grows at a slower pace but companies when deciding to open new factories decide to open mostly in SEA. This goes back to my US manufacturing example. US industrial production hasn't dropped but was outpaced by China. Couldn't China essentially progress the same way the US has and focus more on services and advanced manufacturing as their population starts to become older and more educated and thus more expensive to use. [Chinese wages](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/chinese-wages-rise-made-in-china-isnt-so-cheap-anymore.html) four years ago are five times more expensive than Indian and closing in on being equivalent to Portugal.\n\nSome of the SEA countries are growing at a faster rate than China. In the chart you can see that that the percentage you calculated has Chinese imports decreasing save for that increase in 2020 due to covid. Unless Biden reverses tariffs on China which doesn't seem likely since they're still up and he's brought new [tariffs](https://www.enr.com/articles/53119-us-doubles-tariffs-on-canadian-softwood-lumber-contractors-expect-higher-prices) on Canada our ally, it seems like manufacturing is going to keep moving over to cheaper areas.\n\n>You're welcome to find that data. I wasn't able to (unless I wanted to spend hours gathering it and cleaning it). Like I explained before, SEA data isn't relevant, and my argument works no matter what the SEA data is.\n\nYea which I did find extra data to support the notion of SEA manufacturing growing at a more rapid pace than China which you handwaved without looking at it. The trade imports are nearly identical for the countries listed for goods imported so it should stand to reason that the SEA country values I cited would work. The only difference is that for some odd reason you chose goods and services when they literally had goods on another sheet. Considering you seem to care greatly about the millions of factors that can affect the annual changes it seems pretty weird to lump services with goods. \n\n\nEdit: Considering that you haven't replied to this I find it funny you're calling out someone's bullshit when you've been bullshitting me by trying to pass off you know something more when you don't even know what the datasets contain.",
"> If I say bad things happened 50 years ago and also 30 years and also the present and you go \"akshually it was 29 years ago, not 30\" that is just being pedantic.\n\nYeah, except its too bad your initial claim was 10-20 years ago. \n\nIf someone wants to present themselves as having insight into China and what they have done, but thinks that \"Tianamen square\" happened \"in the 1990s,\" that's a pretty good sign they have no idea what they're talking about (especially when specifically asked when they think Tiananmen happened, and asked by someone who repeatedly talked about 1989).\n\n>Here's an article from 1989 documenting it going on in Tibet.\n\n>https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1989/02/26/witness-to-chinas-shame/d1862427-84f9-4209-9e15-ec7c6dcd3f0e/\n\nHey, cool link. It almost makes it sound like people were outraged by what was happening in Tibet back then, which seems strangely contrary to your argument. \n\n>And yes, people were fine with both Tinananmen and Tibet. How do you think all that trade and cultural exchanges and what not went on since the 1970s? \n\nYou mean as opposed to the trade and cultural exchanges happening now?",
"Depends on the school and depends on the hospital.",
"There are sanctions happening now, as well as a reduction in cultural exchanges. \n\nPeople were not outraged back then, remember the Beijing Olympics? Was there a diplomatic boycott? Nope. Remember when China was granted entry into the WTO? It was only a few years after the Tibet article and Tiananmen. Remember when Taiwan was ditched for Mainland China? It was during one of the most repressive periods of modern Chinese history.",
"See also: whataboutism. \n\nAlso look at user’s post history lol",
"Dude! How much does this account get paid",
">There are sanctions happening now, as well as a reduction in cultural exchanges.\n\nOh yeah, there's totally way less cultural exchange than in the 1970s. We had Olympics in China way more frequently than we do now, and way more direct flights toChina than now. Hollywood movies were in China all the time back then, not to mention Western consumer brands, etc. \n\nAlso, it's silly to pretend that there was never a response to Tibet or Tiananmen.\n\nhttps://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china\n\n\n> People were not outraged back then, remember the Beijing Olympics? Was there a diplomatic boycott? Nope.\n\nNow you're back to your 10-20 years ago time frame. 1959 is not 1989 is not 2008. You appear to be shocked that things change.\n\nIf you expect the response in 2008 to reflect things that happened in 1989 or even earlier in Tibet, why don't you believe that things done in 2022 reflect those same things?\n\n>Remember when China was granted entry into the WTO? It was only a few years after the Tibet article and Tiananmen.\n\nReally? When do you think China joined the WTO? A few years after 1989? OK, then we're only a few years after the 2008 Olympics.\n\n>Remember when Taiwan was ditched for Mainland China?\n\nNo. I have no idea what you mean by this, nor when it was supposedly done. I doubt you do, either, given your extremely shaky grasp on Chinese history.",
"You’re all over the place now. It seems not only do you not know much about Chinese history, you also don’t know much about current events attacking China, such as the recent sanctions package for genocide, the diplomatic boycott or AUKUS or the revamped policy towards Taiwan and the recent “Democracy summit”. I suggest you educate yourself both Chinese history from the 1950s to the present, so you can see nothing has fundamentally changed, and international relations of the same, so you can see there has been a fundamental shift in the past 5 years or so. Otherwise you’re just arguing from a point of ignorance, blind to reality.",
">You’re all over the place now\n\nYou're the one who keeps bouncing around from \"10-20 years ago\" to \"Tianamen\" square (which supposedly happened \"in the 1990s\") to the invasion of Tibet in 1959, to the WTO ascension in 2001. Who knows what this all means. Apparently Mao is the same as Xiaoping is the same as Xi, I guess, and China hasn't changed at all since the Korean War.\n\n\n> It seems not only do you not know much about Chinese history, you also don’t know much about current events attacking China, such as the recent sanctions package for genocide, the diplomatic boycott or AUKUS or the revamped policy towards Taiwan and the recent “Democracy summit”.\n\nI don't know about it? You seem to forget why you're disagreeing with me: I'm the one claiming that China is actually acting differently under Xi, and that this difference explains the stronger response today. \n\nChina has acted badly in the past and those bad actions have drawn a response. They're acting worse today (it doesn't get much worse than genocide), and the response is stronger.\n \nSo far as Taiwan is concerned, if you want to claim that official policy has changed, please present your evidence. Also let me know how this revamped policy fits in with your overall narrative.\n\n>Otherwise you’re just arguing from a point of ignorance, blind to reality.\n\nAh, the irony that the guy who thinks \"Tianamen square\" happened some time in the 1990s, and that WTO ascension happened a few years later, is lecturing me about historical ignorance... while simultaneously refusing to provide and sources for his claims, no less.",
"I point out the broad breadth of Chinese policy from 1950 to the present, you fail around claiming it's not fair or something to bring up events from the past. That's a really strange position to take .\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Who knows what this all means\n\nThus the flailing. That's why I said, educate yourself on Chinese history before you comment here or you're just going to confuse yourself and twist yourself in knots trying to avoid the obvious.",
"I mean, ok, whatever.",
"> I point out the broad breadth of Chinese policy from 1950 to the present, you fail around claiming it's not fair or something to bring up events from the past. That's a really strange position to take .\n\nBut that's not what you did. What you did is claim that China today is the same as it was 10-20 years ago. Then you somehow expanded this to \"Tianamen square\" and Tibet. \n\nFurthermore, those and the WTO ascension are pretty much the only two examples you've used, and you don't even know when they happened. Im not sure how we're supposed to draw any unifying threads from these or what the common theme is besides \"China bad,\" and it certainly doesn't support your claim.\n\n>>Who knows what this all means\n\n>Thus the flailing. That's why I said, educate yourself on Chinese history before you comment here or you're just going to confuse yourself and twist yourself in knots trying to avoid the obvious.\n\nThe flailing is because you can't actually articulate your argument. Making a list of 4 or 5 events over a 70-year timespan is not an argument. They may conceivably be supporting evidence for your argument, but you have to actually construct that argument and say how they support your argument and what your argument actually is.\n\nChina doing bad things over the past 70 years doesn't mean that they haven't changed since Xi took power. It doesn't mean they aren't doing worse things now. And it doesn't mean that the world agreed with the bad things they did in the past, either.\n\nAgain, the irony of someone who thinks \"Tianamen square\" happened \"in the 1990s\" and that China joined the WTO a few years later lecturing people to educate themselves on Chinese history is palpable. \n\nYour refusal to answer simple, direct questions (such as what this change in Taiwan policy is) is also very strange... but perhaps understandable given how badly you botched your answer concerning when Tiananmen square happened.",
"That’s exactly what I did. And have given specific examples of events too. You’re the one who could not accept it so flailed around saying it was “21 years ago not 19” as if that just doesn’t reaffirm my point.\n\nChina doing consistent things for the past 70 years till the present is simply a fact. You might not like it because you can’t understand, or refuse to acknowledge, Chinese history and current events, but that’s your problem. That’s why I suggest you educate yourself on Chinese policy rather than spouting nonsense and making silly statements like 70 years of consistent Chinese policy is somehow not an argument. LOL. Do you realize how stupid you sound? It’s like me saying America has a consistent policy of intervention in the ME, and you saying no. Then I point out events dating back to the 1950s and you going neerneerneer. LOL.",
"> That’s exactly what I did.\n\nNo, you didn't. 3 bad things over 70 years doesn't mean nothing has changed, and I've given you evidence of how things have changed under Xi.\n\n>China doing consistent things for the past 70 years till the present is simply a fact. You might not like it because you can’t understand, or refuse to acknowledge, Chinese history and current events, but that’s your problem.\n\nConsistent things? What consistent things? 3 things over 70 years isn't proof of them acting consistently and unchangingly. \n\n>That’s why I suggest you educate yourself on Chinese policy rather than spouting nonsense and making silly statements like 70 years of consistent Chinese policy is somehow not an argument.\n\nYou're the one who is unable to articulate these policies that China has supposedly consistently advanced for the past 70 years. What is this consistent policy? Why can't you articulate it?\n\nStill waiting for you explanation on this supposed change on Taiwan policy, too.",
"Back in about 2013 or 2014, I was a student in film school and had three Chinese exchange students in one of my classes. The professor in a small class asked the three girls if she should send the class work to their Chinese email addresses or if they had American email addresses . This email only contained regular descriptions of the films with short film theory examinations of theme and content, nothing that would even spoil the film itself. But just the mention of what email to use made these three girls get up from their seats and approach the professor’s desk and whisper about whatever they had to say to her. These three young ladies where so scared or had been so indoctrinated that even a small discussion about something so innocuous to me made them fear so much they had to discuss it in hushed tones literally on the the other side of the planet from their government. The control the Chinese have on their citizens is insane.",
"You haven't given any evidence other that flail around and claim that the entire 70 year Chinese history is irrelveant because \"reasons\".\n\nWhat do you mean \"what consistent policy\"? LOL. Do you know nothing about China? Did you not even know that China was found guilty of Genocide in 2009 by a several internation courts? Chinese authoritarianism and related policy towards dissent has been unchanging since the 50s because all Chinese leaders have come from the same nationalist clique. Do you not know how Chinese leaders are selected and the internal jostling for power than goes on between factions? I bet you don't even know why Hu Jintao was selected as the Chinese leader (hint, it has to do with brutalty murdering protestors in Tibet).\n\nThis is why I said, educate yourself on China, don't just act like you're too engrained in your views to acknowledge other information.",
">You haven't given any evidence other that flail around and claim that the entire 70 year Chinese history is irrelveant because \"reasons\".\n\nI haven't made that claim at all. Your inability to say how Chinese history (or 3 incidents from it) supports your argument is not the same as saying that Chinese history is irrelevant.\n\nAnd contrary to you claim, I have given specific evidence of how Xi's leadership has changed Chinese policy in the last 10 years, including a NYTimes story that gives internal CCP policy speeches by Xi that demarcate significant changes in Uyghur policy in Xinjiang.\n\n>What do you mean \"what consistent policy\"? LOL. Do you know nothing about China? Did you not even know that China was found guilty of Genocide in 2009 by a several internation courts?\n\nPlease support this claim. It should be very easy to do if it is true.\n\n>Chinese authoritarianism and related policy towards dissent has been unchanging since the 50s because all Chinese leaders have come from the same nationalist clique.\n\nFinally a coherent articulation of your argument, but it yet again fails in that it fails to recognize that not all forms of authoritarianism and nationalism are the same. The reactions to Xi are worse because he is worse.\n\nThe reactions to Xinjiang are worse because Xinjiang is worse than Tibet. And for some reason Hu, despite coming to power on the basis of his ability to brutally murder Tibetan protestors, largely left Xinjiang alone while in power. Xi, on the other hand, almost immediately leapt into aggressive crackdowns and militarization of Xinjiang upon taking power, certainly on a scale that dwarfed anything Hu ever did.\n\nAlso, still waiting for your answer on Taiwan.",
"You'd need millions to do that, only something the richest people can do",
"It is definitely a difficult topic to approach sensitively. The CCP has brought millions out of poverty, right? I believe that part is true. I mean, they would have done it by exploiting children in Africa and all that, so still bad, but most countries are guilty of that to some extent.\n\nIf you grow up believing that your government is great and it's the reason your family isn't completely destitute, and you move to another country where everyone just shits on it completely, you're likely to just think those people are brainwashed or racist or whatever.\n\nObviously it's important to bring up all the negative things the CCP is doing (some of them downright evil), but I hope people don't come down like a tonne of bricks to a Chinese person studying abroad here the same way they do on the internet. It'll likely just push them away and not want to hang with Americans much in their spare time, even though spending your spare time with new local friends is the best thing about studying in a foreign country."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtb6kDvFT8 | /r/videos/comments/roke93/how_about_a_nice_bizarre_song/ | [
"singing guitar drums- yep that's a song! check [this song ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEFKFiXSx4) out, it'll blow your mind!\n\nedit: here is a couple other quirky songs for you if you get bored-\n\n[Sevish- Gleam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9wINwlgxRU) this is microtonal and a weird time signature (as i understand it a definition of microtonal would be when they split how many notes are in between an octave more than the standard 12 that they use in western music. so this song has 22 instead.)\n\n[A clever song referencing (and using) atonal music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzodB0Sp6ZI) atonal iirc is where you dont use a scale/limited amount of notes in an octave but all the notes.\n\nthis [song is by Rebecca Black and is about the day of the week Friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0) - it has over a 153 million views and over a million likes so it must be really good! Right youtube? Right?!\n\n[But this song shits on Rebecca Black](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq_d8VSM0nw)\n\n[...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)\n\n[Someone wrote all these notes out for other people to play](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RTPYaWXj8)",
"Are these two Yoko Ono clones?",
"As you can see, some people are into it, like that dude near the ear. I guess if there is an audience...",
">But this song shits on Rebecca Black\n\n... I have no words for this.",
"After eight hours of Michael Buble Autotune-massacring every Christmas song ever written, I was more than ready for this.",
"Started with some b52s feel then took a dive",
"Sounds like [Peter Griffin’s Rock Lobster](https://youtu.be/f31mB6apCoE)",
"Came here to say I bet Yoko would love these two.",
"Bizarre it is.",
"She prolly hates Koreans n likely thinks they’re below her. She was taught never to smile at shopkeepers bc they were below her.",
"TIL she is from Japan... I swear to gawd I always thought she was from Vietnam. I bet you are 100 percent right.",
"I like it, what are they called?",
"Mukimukimanmansu",
"Thanks! Looks like they have an album out, I'll give it a listen today!",
"Go for it by all means"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4fzElm8zk | /r/videos/comments/rokicr/wifi_game_boy_cartridge/ | [
"But why?\n\n“Because I Can”\n\nOkay",
"Something is definitely going on if his interrupts are that slow to respond. But I think to say he doesn't know what he's doing is a bit dismissive.",
"Because he doesn't have a PhD in embedded engineering and 20 years of embedded systems engineering experience he knows nothing? He was making a fun project at home so he took some shortcuts. Jesus Christ take a chill pill. You're making us engineers look bad",
"Yeah that guy’s a knob.",
"Very cool project! I think I set my expectations a little too high. When I saw the title my mind immediately leapt to being able to stream a cartridge on demand over WiFi so you could play any game from NAS. But that's kind of absurd when (I'm assuming) every gameboy game ever made could fit on hard storage in a cartridge itself these days.",
"If every developer read every line of every library they used, then I wouldn't be typing this on my phone today",
"I mean that's probably possible and this would be an important first step towards that.",
"Nah, we wouldnt have any of the nice tech you see because all the engineers would be fired for missing all of their deadlines.",
"Possible, but pointless. Because like he said, every gameboy game ever made could easily fit on a cheap SD card.",
"True. I mean it's a cool tech demo kind of thing at least.",
"I wonder if this could eventually evolve into making a gameboy MMO somehow. Maybe get wifi into a NES or SNES cartridge."
] | 11 | videos | WiFi Game Boy Cartridge |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9E13udLIo&ab_channel=Traillblazer | /r/videos/comments/rokqqs/christmas_vacation_should_be_a_legit_christmas/ | [
"There’s a Ray Charles Christmas song in the movie that plays when Clark gets stuck in the attic. I can’t find it anywhere, and it’s legitimately a great Christmas song. Why isn’t that song widely spread too??",
"I never understood why this wasn't on the radio. Must be a licensing issue?",
"https://youtu.be/sfLmpKTqugM spirit of Christmas ray charles.....\"what a wonderful feeeeeelin\""
] | 3 | videos | Christmas Vacation should be a legit Christmas Carol and part of our Christmas music collection. |
https://youtu.be/tvTDBY-8eB0 | /r/videos/comments/rokyzo/ariana_grande_listen_to_the_goddamn_scientists/ | [
"That movie was so good",
"It really was - really hilarious and loved Leo’s energy throughout",
"Is this from “Don’t Look Up”?\n\nI just came across it but hadn’t heard anything about it at all, but it looked fun.",
"It is, yeah - Ariana Grande plays a somewhat self-centered pop star in it, she does a whole song towards the end of the movie, this is part of that scene",
"That movie was so forgettably bad. I finished it hoping it'd get better, and that the starpower of the cast would overcome the bad writing but ...nope.",
"Maybe I just was in a different mood but I went in with no expectations / thinking I’d fall asleep halfway through and the movie eventually got me going tbh\n\nIt’s pretty lighthearted so I can see if you were expecting more you might be let down though",
"This is the only part I thought didn't have to be in the movie tbh",
"I get that - kind of a bolt-on musical performance, but I think it fits a bit since it’s how one version of the “media” in the movie reacts to the science",
"Don't lick donuts that are on display at a donut shop as well.",
"Dont listen to this guy. \n\nThat was some of the best satire we have seen in ages. Highly recommended.",
"yeah he's part of the Don't Look Up crowd.",
"I got the same vibe.",
"Yeah I actually fast forwarded though her singing. I just don’t like singing in general… lol. I really enjoyed the movie however! Leo and Jennifer were amazing throughout the entire thing.",
"Just finished. They really got the dread. And they kept teasing hope which just made it all the much more hard to watch. Great film.",
"Hmmm I dunno...what do the scientists say about this?",
">It’s pretty lighthearted\n\nLighthearted? It is a direct allegory for Climate Change where the consequences seem very similar. We are at the part where this song occurs.",
"Oh yeah - the movie is a slow boil, it’s light hearted right up until it’s not. Just like the situation we’re in today- it’s very easy to feel complacent and that all the problems we face are down the road, this movie very accurately captures that feeling I think. Everyone in the movie is completely ignoring the situation until it’s too late - that’s why the vibe of the movie overall is so light hearted, right up until the final few scenes",
"God that movie depressed the hell out of me with its spot-on-edness.",
"Which movie?",
"I’m a scientist and I’d probably pay like $20 for her to lick my donut. So I’m certainly in support of this research project.",
"Trump vs climate change, aka \"Don't Look Up\"",
"I see your point. For me, as soon as they introduced the over-the-top tropes of the brutish idiotic talkshow hosts and the \"obviously not Trump\" president and the creepy tech CEO sniffing the engineers hair, it so quickly lost traction. I get that it was a satire but for me it missed the mark in the same way that SNL misses the mark.",
"Lol. I just prefer my satire to be a little bit more nuanced, the over-the-top portrayal of the obviously-not-Trump president and the \"racist old uncle type\" shooting at the comet and the \"clearly not Trump Jr / Jared / nepotism\" chief of staff, etc etc, it felt like it was just being forced. Leo's acting was fantastic, as was Jennifer Lawrence, but it didn't overcome a screenplay that sounded like the writers of SNL wrote it.",
"I don’t know if I’d go with “fun” but it’s a good movie. I found it a little heavy.",
"I was distracted from the writing BY the starpower. I think I would have liked the movie better with unknowns instead of \"hey look, hey look oh there's them, oh look!\".\n\nIt was a fine movie though, I overall enjoyed it. It lost a lot of believability in some parts which I think was weak.",
"While I didn't watch the whole movie I still don't understand when people call it a \"satire.\" It was too on the nose, made it feel like they were just using the exact template of the hell we've been living in but using the biggest stars. \n\nToo painful to watch. Been watching the same shit in real time for the past few years.",
"I liked Seeking a Friend for The End of the World better.",
"Fear Porn..........KMA",
"This movie was this generations version of idiocracy, just more believable that it might actually happen",
"Because it confronts reality. It's comedy 101",
"It’s the definition of satire. Nearly every scene and interaction included jokes and exaggerated character types to criticize the shortcomings of current political, entertainment, and social trends. \n\nSatire is supposed to use the hell of actual life as a template.",
"More like world population vs climate change. Trump wasn't elected by thin air.",
"I guess you didn’t like Idiocracy either?",
"I seriously doubt that, Idiocracy was funny.",
"Stop comparing this movie to a funny movie like Idiocracy.",
"Obviously you're a racist covid denier who voted for Trump! They're the only ones who would dislike this film.",
"I understand that it’s a commentary on the whole “celebrity obsessed culture” but the Grande/Cudi storyline probably could have been cut and the movie wouldn’t have suffered for it.",
"I fucking love fingerling potatoes",
"I wasn't a huge fan of the song itself, but I did appreciate 'The For Real Last Concert To Save The World' sign, and just the general idea that with nothing left to do, they hold a concert 'here's our special guest!' \n\nBecause yep, we do that, and that's about how useful it is.",
"The satire was so damn good in the film. Not sure how it will do in other countries as I think being an American has a lot to do with it .",
"Yeah, made me cringe with its accuracy",
"You think the president in Don't Look Up wasn't modelled on Trump, where they've just reversed the gender, and the pedo incest complex into an Oedipus one from the doting dullard son? \nThe entire post truth anti intellectualism thing he was the presidential vanguard of? \nThe populations late realisation that the President was lying to them all along? \n\n\nMy previous comment is wracking up negative points from Trump supporters, not people that have actually seen the film.",
"Don't look up!",
"Meryl played a great Trumpish character, off their tits on drugs.",
"Yeah, wasn't a terrible movie, but was nowhere near as quotable or will be remembered like Idiocracy was.",
"That's what I don't get. What part of it was satire? The bad guys *were* bad people, not even exaggerated. Hell, if anything they were criminally under-represented compared to some lunatics they're modeled after. The good guys tried being good, but still lost. Yeah, there was some comedy in the movie, that doesn't make every movie satire though.\n\nWhat was actually satirical about the movie? Everything was pretty on the nose, as you said, just straight up \"here's the bad guys and why they're bad, and here's our heros\". Only difference is the heros didn't \"win\" technically (although they had the moral win, which movies use sometimes despite the main actor dying).",
"It isn't going for Idiocracy type of comedy",
">it didn't overcome a screenplay that sounded like the writers of SNL wrote it.\n\nBecause at this point, SNL is just comedy when you mathmatically attempt to appeal to the broadest audience possible. Same with this movie, it's just a mile wide and an inch deep. Nothing wrong with that, some movies are great for that, but it's nothing compared to the creativity and effort put into Idiocracy.",
"I was like goddamn it , is this about covid now?",
"Ok, Not Sure.",
"So many people don’t realize that this movie is what we care currently experiencing in regards to climate change. It’s actually harrowing.\n\nThis movie has filled me with a sense of dread so heavy that I’ve been having a hard time enjoying or finding meaning in anything for the past two days. \n\nWe’re facing a slow moving extinction level event but our little mammal brains are hard wired to only see so far in front of ourselves.\n\nAnd we destroyed it. It all just goes cold again. The sum total of all the work, ambition, hope, toil, experiences, memories, stories, sacrifice, pain, choices, and love of the billions of lives that constitute our history adds up to the destruction of everything at our own hand.\n\nAnd people will do absolutely anything to keep themselves from confronting that realization.",
"A movie can comment on more than one thing, but it was definitely also commenting on Trump vs. climate change, or more broadly Trump vs. reality in general. It was also, as you mentioned commenting on humans vs. climate change. as well as billionaire tech CEOs thinking they are gods; The many problems with journalism; the many problems with social media; And more than anything else, the powerlessness of most individuals.",
"It doesn't have to. It's a commentary on where we're heading as a society - just like Idiocracy was. This is just what it looks like when we are 15 years closer to the future society of Idiocracy.",
"I thought it was Trump vs Covid.",
"To me it's kind of a perfect example of the point the movie is making. You have to dress the message up and make it cute for anyone to pay attention. Just like they had to go on a talk show and jump through their stupid hoops to try and get the word out, this movie had to get a ridiculously expensive cast and a pop star to make it's statement.",
"I’m from Chile and could relate to a lot of what they were going for. Willing ignorance seems to be universal nowadays lmao",
"Nah it was totally climate change, and a little bit about crises in general but the movie was written before covid and the meteor itself is 100% climate change.",
"Playing a charchter hahahaha. She's a filthy vile creature who wants child predators back on us soil praying on my kids... literally advocates for woody the pedo",
"It’s cool. The rest of the world is well aware of how fucking stupid Americans generally are. No offense. And stupidity is spreading, fast",
"Do you believe that a small percentage of Americans are preventing the rest of the world from fixing/preventing global warming/climate change?",
"Covid is very, very serious and there are some similarities and comparisons to be made about how that was handled too, but it's not threatening all life on the planet. The metaphor in the movie was definitely for climate change.",
"Scientists are scary.",
"The movie was great in the first hour but lost a lot in the second half in my opinion.",
"Yeah just as relevant in the U.K.",
"I think they messed up the russian rocket. So that bash can still get what they want.",
"Hell yeah, im listening to the former VP and Chief Scientist of Pfizer that says this covid-injection is a danger to humans..",
"Lmao she plays herself.",
"Just Look Up You Fools!!",
"I thought about that movie a lot after watching it, everyone should see it and start focusing on things that actually matter",
"> It's a commentary on where we're heading as a society\n\nNot really, its a commentary of what has been happening for the past 30 years.",
"Same, because we all know that's exactly how it would go down these days if an extinction level comet was actually hurtling toward Earth to kill us all. The politicians, the media, the public, the corporate entities, they'd all totally behave the way they were portrayed in the film, and man that's depressing.",
"That song was kinda amazing out of nowhere.",
"Yeah, I loved this flick and wasn't surprised at all to see that media critics were panning it. \n\nIt made the whole culture of political consumption and media matters look like the pointless bullshit we all know it is. Writers for WSJ and Rollingstone thought it was trash. Wonder why. . .",
"Because in real life we make the bad people heros. And the movie's heros we ignore. That's the point. Thats it. \n\nThe exaggeration makes it satire.",
"I mean we had to watch all the stupid shit going on in America. Tbh the same stupid shit is happening here is Australia though. Climate Change denial is huge because our economy runs off of coal",
"Exactly, that doubles down on the point. Distract with star power.",
"Chamalet earning his paycheck right there.",
"Direct commentary on how stupid our society is. Listen everyone the world is ending; now let’s listen to some songs from these famous artists that you care more about.",
"Yeah I was shocked too at looking at the ratings afterwards. Army of the dead, which I thought was steaming piece of shit got 67 on Rotten...Don't look up is sitting at 56 right now.",
"https://open.spotify.com/track/4jfcVg76qwZ6ttJdaUisB4?si=aad847cb56654e2b",
"I got real eurovision song contest feelings about this song.",
"Army of the dead is one of the worst movies ive seen.",
"Yeh but isnt it funny because its so stupidly unbelievable?\n \nThis movie would have been just as funnily unbelievable until last couple of years. Now its just sad cause we know its true.",
"The movie was more about propaganda and capitalism. While there are parallels to climate change denials and people ignoring the science, it isnt solely meant to be about climate change.",
"Everyone rating it should say whether they support(ed) Trump or not, and we can just discard all the reviews of the Trump supporters to get a proper rating.",
"Just wanted Don't Look Up on Xmas eve. Its basically Idiocracy 2.",
" That's because it is actually happening right now. The film is an allegory for our inaction on climate change.",
"Eh, to quote the star of the film, \"Adam created this film, which was about the climate crisis, but he created a sense of urgency with it by making it about a comet that’s gonna hit Earth within six months’ time and how science has become politicised.\".",
"Oh man, I am even Greek and the dicaprio arc is the most relevant thing, i ve seen in a movie, to my life in the last two months.",
"Imagine not insulating yourself from trauma by adopting a nihilistic and misanthropic worldview from a young age lmao.",
"Yea! Like constructing new pyramids across the globe filled with the knowledge of humanity for those that survive and deep cave cities like Derinkuyu. I'm in.",
"I enjoyed it as a through joke when it was in the background like the girl constantly bringing up the general, but it didnt really offer anything more when the scenes became about them as characters.",
"I liked the joke and commentary of it but didn't enjoy how much it still felt like they contractually had to include at least 2 minutes of a new single to sell her music etc...",
"“This movie…” as everyone keeps referring to it. Lol. It’s from *Don’t Look Up*.",
"I can't imagine what happened in your life to cause you such detachment from reality.",
"That's right. Don't look up. Lol.",
"She literally said it at academy awards",
"I watched both in the last two days. Idiocracy has not aged well.",
"I know it was not intentional, but the similarities between this movie and how our government had handled COVID is stunning. A few that stand out are betting the entire thing on unproven technology after figuring out there was money to be made and silencing any scientists that go against the approved narrative. \n\nThank you in advance for your downvotes!",
"I don't think its just a trump thing. I think the media as a whole feels attacked by it.",
"I think its main problem was it was just too long. They could have got to the point in an hour and a half run time easily, but they just kept dragging it on. For instance, imo the Ariana Grande singing scene could have been cut entirely, it wasn't funny at all and didn't add any jokes or make any points that hadn't already been said. Jonathan Hill was amazing though.",
"No. No, she didn't, lol.",
"An argument I had over Christmas was, why you should believe scientists, and the only argument they could present as to why not to believe them is because they can be biased, but ignoring things such as peer reviews because apparently, scientists are all living like the 1960s when tobacco companies bribed any and all scientists to support them instead of doing actual science.",
"And doctors who testify to congress on oath. Yeah, this diaper is really starting to stink.",
"Honestly, I thought that's where they got the idea. I see the parallel to climate change too though. The greed and money speaks louder than all the jabs for the children combined.",
"What do you think is a good satire?\n\nFor me, all good satires are over the top and all satires that are nuanced or subtle are either not effective in its goal or aren’t satires at all.",
">It's a commentary on where we're heading as a society \n\nIts commentary on right fucking now\n\nthe comet is climate change, everyone is saying it's coronavirus or some shit, but Leos history of environmentalism leads me to say it that",
"McKay, the director has said its both, COVID wasn't originally intended as a subject, but just happened to work.",
"Sounds like a purely propaganda movie.",
"Yeah, I think it pointed the camera back at the media too much for the media itself to be comfortable. We know the media would fail us in times like this. They've shown they will time and time again. Their shows would have the scientists on, then immediately go to a cooking segment, like it would matter anymore.\n\nI thought it was pretty spot on with COVID and how it would go with a meteor. It almost crosses a boundary that is no longer satire. I mean, what do you call absurdist behavior when it's real?",
"Trumpers SHOULD feel attacked. I at least hope they do as part of it was specifically making fun of that crowd.",
"\"Thank you in advance for your downvotes!\"\n\nI love when people make themselves a victim in passive aggressive ways.",
"Even just this line of \"being an American to get it\" is pretty silly.\n\nTrust me, the whole world can see how badly the US has fucked this up. It's not subtle.",
"Victim? Haha. It’s fake internet points. I couldn’t give any less of a shit. I was just predicting the reaction.",
"Lol I thought she had a different name in the movie but fair",
"I feel it’s this generation’s Mars Attacks. But I found that the movie didn’t really establish a unified tone. The allegory to climate change is shoved down our throats, and the trump/infotainment angle were overplayed and felt old. This may have been a more entertaining watch had it come out in 2017.",
"I knew it couldn’t have been based on COVID just looking at who is in it, but man did it follow almost the exact same script.",
"Some could/will take it that way, but I think it was a commentary on how we can barely agree on the simplest facts anymore and how the media (both sides) profits on spinning the issues despite how grave the consequences are.",
"Still at a loss at how they thought using The Cranberries song \"Zombie\" was a good idea.",
"Rent free",
"It's what plants crave",
"Oh god. I know qanon is bullshit. And a lot of conspiracies are. But I'm begging you guys to go on the conspiracy webpage.",
"Just take solace in the fact you're not alone in that feeling, there are many people out there that think the world has gone mental.\n\nNot me though!\n\nThe earth is flat.",
"What movie is this?",
"Haha yeah. America bad.",
"Movie is Don't look up",
"If you have posted anything even vaguely anti vaccine or vaccine mandate on reddit recently you will know what he means. Even extremely tame and reasonable takes get downvoted",
"Nah, this phenomena is not isolated to the USA. One of the funniest movies in recent times. / greetings from Sweden",
"I was simply impressed with how quickly they made themselves a victim. Nothing I commented has anything to do with vaccines or mandates or anything of the sort. It makes me laugh when people publicly feel sorry for themselves to strangers.",
"Where we are is indicative of where we are going. We haven't killed ourselves yet, so the movie is about what's to come. When Idiocracy was made dumber people had more kids than smart people, so was that movie also just commentary of right fucking then?\n\nOf course it's about climate change. Who ever claim it's about coronavirus did not pay attention.",
"This movie will never come anywhere near Idiocracy.",
"Office Space. Idiocracy (although you could argue that one is over the top, it’s timeless because rather than trying to criticize shitty individuals like Trump or Zuckerberg/Musk, it’s satirizing an entire belief system.)",
"Brain free.",
"Yeah, and then you realize that 600,000+ Americans are dead, with a great number of them being in the \"don't look up\" camp. The people who unironically say \"if you want numbers to go down, stop testing so many people\".\n\nI mean we flipped shit and invaded 2 countries after 3000 or so people died on 9/11 and we will \"Never Forget\" but there are still millions of people who, with a straight face, will tell you that having to wear a mask to buy adult diapers at Wal-Mart is fascism.",
"Don't Look Up. It's on Netflix.",
"Nothing matters. We are all going to die. Who gives a flying fuck. The human race doesn't deserve to survive.",
"It's almost hard to satirize Trump since just about anything is within the realm of possibility. He got into a twitter feud with a tin pot dictator over the size and potency for their nuclear buttons. If you wrote that into a comedy it would be cut for being too lazy. That's like a shitty SNL bit at best, but it actually happened and could well have lead to a shooting war.\n\nI mean, I don't think anyone in Vegas would take odds on the existence of a presidential dick pic. If he is technically competent enough to use his own twitter account at least part of the time then he is competent enough to take a picture of his junk. If that shit isn't crazy enough, there are actual professionally done photographs of a first lady's tits. I mean what-the-fuck...",
"As someone who worked in agriculture, you have no idea how much it bothered me that no one got that reference. Meanwhile I'd have all kinds of other people in other industries/jobs quoting it.",
"Don’t feel too bad, plenty of tards have great jobs",
"Don’t feel too bad, plenty of tards have great jobs",
"That's exactly what I did when my sister was murdered. From 11 to 29 I trained myself to be a sociopath because as soon as I started to feel bad for someone, it would snowball into a giant clump of grief over all the sad things that happened in my life.\n\nIt changed a few days after 9/11. I was watching videos of people jumping from the towers and suddenly I started feel empathy for those people and started crying in my cube at work. I couldn't turn it off, and it changed me. I went from being a libertarian who didn't care about anyone to a woke socialist.",
"The scientific community, like any institution, is imperfect since it's filled with human agents. The scientific process, and its intrinsic skepticism, should eventually course correct for these issues though. Distrust for any science is healthy, but following the scientific process is the best way we have to get to a better understanding of the world. It's hard to have that kind of nuanced discussion with people who don't understand science to begin with, though",
"edgy",
"Edgy IYHO it's what I believe. The human race has proven itself unworthy of the planet we live on.",
"I disagree, I feel like both suffer from the same lack of subtlety",
"Yo you game!?",
"Nice conspiracy. lol",
"No , I do find it funny how they want everyone to do their part , but don’t make the big companies that are responsible for all held responsible.",
"Why is there so much media trying to guilt the average person about climate change when we all know the majority of pollution comes from corporations?",
"Am American and trust me what you see on the news isn’t everyone in America . A lot of us are just trying to make it, and not bother anyone else .",
"Mhm. Mine crypto to pay for bills and play video games until your heart explodes. That's my plan at least",
"This was a strange part of this film",
"Typically, the US pushes strongly at international climate talks to ensure that nothing seriously binding comes out of them. I'm not naive enough to think that without the US climate change would be settled, but we're the biggest obstacle right now, globally speaking.",
"In a \"that's so stupid\" way, this was dramedy.",
"Dead on for most Canadian provinces as well.",
"fair enough but it would be cool if we didn't fuck the planet up for every other creature and cause thousands of extinctions. Sure, the planet and life will recover after a few hundred thousand or million years, but still",
"Best case scenario is we die off before we do too much more damage but there would still be lots of knock on effects. As a terrible actor once said \"life will find a way\".",
"Not by themselves, of course. But they do have an inordinately large share of voice/power compared to the billions of people who stand to be affected by climate change.",
"Wonder how many Qs got halfway through it and said “hey!” On second thought probably not very many .",
"So was idiocracy. Only problem is mike judge thought we had 500 years when we really only had about 10 before we elected a president Camacho.",
"There's also the blatant nepotism.",
"It’s an Adam McKay movie you dolt.",
"It was one guy's vision. Not so much propaganda as a shitpost that makes basically all of the vapid, misguided and rotten US body politic look exactly as bad as it actually is.",
"Imagine writing off someone’s valid feelings about how our species is heading over a cliff because you want to impress anonymous strangers on Reddit with your shitty banter.",
"[“I didn’t know. I don’t tacitly approve of rape,” said Meryl Streep. And yet only a decade and a half earlier, Streep had stood and applauded when Polanski won best director at the 2003 Oscars, not so much tacitly approving rape as explicitly celebrating a convicted child rapist.](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/30/hollywood-reverence-child-rapist-roman-polanski-convicted-40-years-on-run)",
"I think the goal of convincing the public on the issue is so that there will be political will to actually make necessary changes down the line. If the public doesn’t care nothing will ever happen, as this movie demonstrates",
"Yes. Idiocracy. The most nuanced satire of the genre. \n\nThis movie was way more subtle and multi-layered than either Office Space or Idiocracy because it was a strict comedy. Not every scene was included to get a laugh. There were some elements that were there to build a real sense of dread or sentimentality. It seems to me like your criticism is actually that the movie was \\*too\\* nuanced.",
"Because the majority of harm will be inflicted on the average person.",
"If only we'd gotten a President Camacho. He actually found the smartest person on Earth and listened to him.\n\nInstead we got President HYDRA mafia thug, and he set up a [kakistocracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy).",
"So where did she literally say she advocates for child predators preying on /u/Villz kids?",
"Jesus Christ dude. Do you literally think /u/Villz expects Meryl to creep into their kids bedroom and night and fondle them? It's called a fucking metaphor. \n\nShe's on record defending and praising a child rapist on multiple occasions throughout the years because he happened to have a talent. That he was a child rapist was of no concern to her, because he had mastered a craft she is associated with. \n\n&#x200B;\n\n[\"Yes, Roman Polanski.... I'm very sorry he's in jail.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAbRlcr4uGY)",
"When did I say I think he thinks Meryl Streep breaks into kids bedrooms?",
"Just so we're clear....\n\nAre you defending Polanski anally raping a minor or Meryl Streep for applauding him?",
"Excellent film.",
"Hard disagree, the whole point of those two was *who gives a fuck about this idiotic shit*. They were intentionally extraneous.",
"The relationship between Jonah Hill's and Jennifer Lawrence's characters was so funny to me. I'd love to see them as bickering siblings in something",
"“We really did have everything, didn’t we.”",
"Molly kicking in right now, I timed that shit perfectly",
"It’s not “listen to the one person that confirms your biases” it’s “listen to the goddamn scientist**S**”",
"I actually chuckled reading this comment, haha.",
"Less chuckling, more answering this question:\n\nAre you defending Roman Polanski after he sedated and anally raped a minor, or are you defending Meryl Streep for clapping at his award ceremony and defending him in a one on one interview?\n\nI just need to know who. Polanski or Streep? Sorry, I'm just so confuzzled.",
"calm down nancy",
"I love being lectured to by a grown woman who walked into a store, reached behind the counter, licked a donut then put it back.",
"I dunno... there's some great dialogue in the film especially on the idiotic \"light hearted\" talk show, where the hosts totally use their vocabulary incorrectly which gives off strong Idiocracy vibes.\n\nThis movie is like a dystopian mix of Idiocracy and Hunger Games (how we like to be preoccupied with stupid hollywood nonsense) while being informed by COVID and MAGA politics.",
"Rofl, no, I’m not gonna answer that, because it’s a psychotic thing to ask, and asked in bad faith. You are really, really reaching haha.",
"Can I be vulnerable in your car right now?",
"sounds like charity to me",
"The prequel *Army of Thieves* is actually legitimately good too..it's weird",
"just so sweet.",
"Its really hard to have a discussion with people when skepticism is instantly meant with fanaticism. I cannot tell you how many times Ive been called a science denier or anti vaxxer for simply being *skeptical*.\n\nI'm an Electrical Engineer, I understand science well enough and Ive gotten a shit load of vaccines thanks to my time in the Marines so I understand their usefulness and necessity. But if I ask *any questions at all* about this covid \"vaccine\" suddenly I have armchair scientists jumping down my throat. \n\nIts insanely difficult to talk about this stuff with people when science has basically become another religion. Do not question the faith, I mean science, or it prove you are a non-believer, I mean Science Denier.",
"And their contradictory advice.",
"Questions about the vaccines we have available are totally fair, but I see no reason to compare people advocating for one of the best tools we have for public health to faith-driven religiosity.\n\nGenuine question: what makes you call them “vaccines” in quotes if not to cast aspersions on the already well-understood science that they are in fact very effective vaccines? And beyond that, what questions do you actually have around the vaccines we have today?",
"That point kind of falls flat on its face when confronted with the reality that the only people lauding this movie are those who already agreed with the message. Nobody was ever convinced to change by patronising finger wagging. The only people paying attention are onside.",
"I call it a \"vaccine\" because it isnt actually a vaccine. The definition of what a vaccine is had to be changed in order for the CDC to call this treatment a vaccine rather than what it actually is, an mRNA treatment.\n\nNow, I dont think this was done to be tricky or out of malice or whatever. I think the definition was changed to simplify things so that people didn't get confused more than they already were. But a huge problem that I don't think was anticipated is that people treated it like it *was* actually a vaccine, when it wasn't and now with this new mutation we are seeing millions of new cases in people who thought they were vaccinated.\n\nPeople were told this treatment was a vaccine for Covid-19, and its not. It's a treatment to help you fight it and it was only ever going to effective for a short time. But people were led to believe that it was a vaccine, like all the other vaccines they've taken and they thought they were immune. Now we all get to watch Covid cases explode well beyond anything we've seen before and its all because this \"vaccine\" *isn't* a vaccine despite the definition being changed to make it more palatable.\n\nAnd again, because I have had this conversation many, *many* times, I am not some insane conspiracy theorist nutcase trumptard science denier or whatever the hell else trendy insults are getting thrown around. The treatments were a good idea and they were not designed to do anything other than help people and prevent serious illness. But changing the definition of vaccine and then leading people to believe that these treatments would *stop Covid* was foolish and short sighted and anyone with even a little bit of critical thinking skills should have been asking a lot more questions than weve been socially allowed to.",
"I loved the song",
"Jonathan Hill is probably right up there with Sith Rogan and Will Hader for comedy chops for me.",
"The mental gymnastics they do - they probably think the movie was fighting in their court somehow.\n\n\"See? they tried to blow up the asteroid and it still hit us! if only they had trump!\"",
"Exactly!",
"True, that's its failure, and why I have mixed feelings about it. It made up over the top, ridiculous characters to argue against. Basicly strawmen. Since nobody relates to them, nobody will stop to think.",
"Well I think most people understand this. It is a mix of climate change and the current covid situation.",
">I know it was not intentional, but the similarities between this movie and how our government had handled COVID is stunning.\n\nWasnt it obvious that this is exaclty what the movie wanted to point out?",
"It was written pre-covid.",
"Yeah you're right. There definitely aren't people in Hollywood that excuse or look the other way when it comes to this sort of thing. Silly me.",
"Hey! Now you’re making comments grounded in reality! Congrats!",
"[Thanks](https://imgur.com/a/kqsaqmR)",
"please tell us more faceless reddit movie critic",
"Whoa! A picture of a famous actress with one of the most prolific producers in Hollywood that she later condemned after learning of his sexual assaults? What a scandal!\n\nSince you’re obviously too dense to understand anything that happened in this thread: I don’t even disagree with your last comment at all. There is a problem with Hollywood turning a blind eye to horrific things because they are done by powerful people. That problem also exists everywhere, I mean look at our last president. What I do disagree with is unhinged weirdos running around saying that Meryl Streep supports child rape because she clapped for a guy in 2003. That’s, again, psychotic. Even if she fully supports Polanski, she does so because she believes he didn’t do what he is accused of, not because she thinks child rape is okay.\n\nThe truth matters, language matters, and context matters. You don’t get a pass to spit lies, hyperbole, and propaganda just because an actress criticized Trump, which is the ONLY reason this was brought up in the first place.",
"No. It was supposed to be an allegory for their response to climate change. They just happened to nail the COVID response by accident.",
"[Everyone knew ](https://youtu.be/g70XbYd0bZ8) the deal with Weinstein, just like they knew about Polanski too. This wasn't Streep suddenly discovering Weinstein was a piece of shit, this is about the fact that it was an open secret and she was more than willing to turn a blind eye when it suited her, only to pivot and clutch pearls when she realized it wasn't gonna fade away this time. \n\nIn regards to your last paragraph. Spare me the sanctimonious holier-than-thou ethics lesson. The last place anyone should look for a lecture on morality is here and from you.",
"I can't imagine what happened in your life to cause you such detachment from reality.",
"That's such a stereotypical reddit response 🤣",
"Rofl, homie, you've been projecting arguments on me this entire thread to make yourself look morally superior and you're gonna say *I'm* stereotypical reddit? Hahaha",
"You're doing it still.",
"Doing what? lol",
"IDK. I thought it had its moments.",
"Nah they were like, man if I smoke a lot of weed and be on xanax 24/7, then I'll understand. Mirite?",
"Excellent message in an “ok” film",
"I couldn't hear what he said. I thought he asked \"can I smoke a bowl in your car?\""
] | 218 | videos | Ariana Grande - Listen to the Goddamn Scientists |
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"Give that big booty a smack!",
"Sounds nothing like him.",
"i like the osu version better https://youtu.be/JTVz2_TRhts"
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"She burned more calories in 5 minutes than I did in all of 2021.",
"OMG SHE KILLED THIS",
"Straight double pedal clinic.",
"If Road Warrior Apocalypse ever comes I hope this badass Japanese drummer will be on our side to lead us into epic battle!",
"Amazing",
"r/13or30",
"shreds the heads! gotta show my daughter.",
"Impressive! I hope she does some Slayer songs too. \n \nAlso, [Gee himself saw this as well.](https://youtu.be/2M2Hv5GuSn4)",
"The rimshot seems oddly consistent with both hands giving the same sound regardless of the stick angle. Same with kicks.. Doesn't mean they were triggered, maybe she has that consistent technique but.. It is a small detail, triggering is very common technique in metal but it does remove nuances and makes each hit sound a perfect hit.",
"I’m mad because she’s half my age and double my skill. Props to her lol",
"yea i noticed that as well. a very skilled player for sure, and really it doesn't matter or take away the entertainment factor, but there is defiantly some trigger fuckary going on there",
"Yeah, it doesn't take away from the skill so much, it is quite common in this style of music. I would only say it is cheating when it is used with a blast beat, in this kind of groove it is just slightly altering the sound. I feared to even say anything, cause it might sound to some that i'm accusing her of \"cheating\", like it is some autotune for drums.. it is placing sound with another but the drummer still has to hit the drum, in time and with sufficient force to make it trigger right. The original drummer 100% certainty was using triggered samples, in both snare and kick (and time aligning.. these guys are good but not as good as they are in the albums.. but not far away either, proved by thousand near perfect live performances..)",
"half of her fanbase are just pervs"
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"What a legend!",
"As you were walking away I was thinking to myself \"That's lame... He should have flown away or.... FUCK YEAH!!!\"\n\nI bet that 8 year old had his mind blown after watching that.",
"He sure did!",
"My 8 year old set up his video camera (that he got earlier this year for his birthday) hidden under a blanket pointed at the tree. \n\nLuckily he told us otherwise I think he’d have been devastated. \n\nI went the low tech route and just jingled some bells off camera and then brought a Santa hat in from the side of the frame to show a glimpse of red before I covered the lens and stopped it recording. \n\nHe was excited and disappointed this morning to show us and his siblings the video.",
"That's awesome! Some A1 parenting. Hope you and yours had a great holiday!",
"Thanks, same to you!\n\nI may need to look up some video editing tutorials because I’m pretty sure the big guy is going to wise up and either set up a second camera or check the Arlo next year.",
"It's so fun! Honestly, this was a quick power director edit. It only took about 30mins and I'm not a pro by any means.",
"Lol is that a meepo sound effect?",
"He did poof",
"I think the word you were going for is delusion or fantasy.",
"I’m not commenting on my stance on it, but I don’t think that’s what suspension of disbelief is lol. Suspension of disbelief is knowing something isn’t true but allowing yourself to believe it for fun. This is actually believing something to be true.",
"My mom told me santa wasn't real when I was 4 or 5 because I asked and she said she didn't want to lie to me. I'm 25 now and it's far and away the strongest relationship of my life. I don't want to engage in the philosophy of the argument generally in this thread because I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon, and I can only speak for my experience, but don't even entertain the idea even ironically that 'you're terrible' for this. If your kids grow up to be anything like me they'll appreciate who you are for doing that. \n\nTo be fair I cried excessively when I was told lol.",
"fucking terrifying. you should be ashamed",
"Who doesn't love lying to children.",
"Same here; both that my mom told me when I was 5 and bc she didnt want to lie to me. We also had a very strong bond. Except me being the kid I was, when I get to first grade and we have to write letters to Santa, I loudly said, why? He's not even real!? It was one of those newspaper things. One girl, still remember her name, wrote, \"gr33nm4n in my class said you weren't real, so I know he's getting coal this year.\" Mom kept the clipping in a photo album. lol."
] | 15 | videos | My nephew's (age 8) belief in Santa was wavering. I made sure the magic sticks around for a bit longer. |
https://youtu.be/2PLC_cBJwk4 | /r/videos/comments/rom5oe/what_does_a_pot_sobriety_test_look_like/ | [
"- “How high are you?”\n\n- hi how are u..\n\nThat’s pretty great actually",
"I know plenty of people that smoke weed and claim that they can drive just fine. I also know lots of drunks that say that. I've been both high and drunk and I can say - not safe to try. Stay safe, people!",
"Weed slows down your reaction time, it's a depressant. Drive high = you're an asshole.",
"Driving slow can cause accidents too.. especially on a highway. I used to think it was safe to drive stoned and will admit I have done it. For me it affects my vision badly and my hand eye coordination is complete gone",
"\"How high are you?\"\n\nAbout 5'11''",
"Drunk drivers often drive slower, too. Impairment is impairment, my dude.\n\nEdit: lol at all the stoners thinking that driving high is safe as can be. If your judgment is impaired or you're distracted in any way, you're a danger on the road. That's why it's dangerous to text and drive, talk on your phone and drive, fiddle with your radio and drive, etc. Why do you think that being high and driving is any different? If it makes you feel different than normal, why on earth would you think it's *safer*?",
"Yikes people downvoting you… wtf\n\nEdit: for context this reply was -3 last night",
"What flavor Doritos is that!?! Fiery habanero!? I didn’t think those still existed",
"I have driven high before, but not stoned, i know the point when i was not ok for me to drive because i could feel it. there is a difference in levels of being high, like how you can have some alcohol and still drive.",
"That stop sign joke predates this sketch by decades.",
"Canada is a mysterious land , filled with many types of flavoured chips. It is our way.",
"You are downvoted but it is true mostly. Nobody should drive while drunk or high, however when drunk you will be more likely to do stupid shit like speed and drift corners. If you’re high you will likely try to be concentrated, even paranoid about your driving, however, you will also be more easily distracted.",
"It seems like it’s a “reimagined” version of Cheech and Chong’s joke from Up and Smoke. But the skit is so similar to that scene from the movie that I assumed was paying homage to them in a way.",
"We had them in the US as well a few years ago (when this video came out). But they were a limited time thing and packaged a bit different iirc. I definitely tried them, though.",
"CO drivers man... Y'all are terrible",
"[The prevalence of both alcohol and cannabis use and the high morbidity associated with motor vehicle crashes has lead to a plethora of research on the link between the two. Drunk drivers are involved in 25% of motor vehicle fatalities, and many accidents involve drivers who test positive for cannabis. Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies. Combining marijuana with alcohol eliminates the ability to use such strategies effectively, however, and results in impairment even at doses which would be insignificant were they of either drug alone. Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk. Furthermore, the risk from driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis is greater than the risk of driving under the influence of either alone. Future research should focus on resolving contradictions posed by previous studies, and patients who smoke cannabis should be counseled to wait several hours before driving, and avoid combining the two drugs.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/)",
"Weed is a hallucinogenic drug, alcohol is a depressant.",
"it’s not a depressant. the first time i drove high it was weird but i drove insanely slow. I think instead of decreasing reaction time marijuana improves it though because of arguments about why olympic skateboarders shouldn’t smoke marijuana. Makes them more conscious of their bodies and helps them control their muscles at a more intricate level.\n\ncomparing marijuana to alcohol is fallacious",
"i’m the master of the knee driving. it actually makes a smoother drive because you’re not constantly course adjusting like a d-pad but moving on an arc like a joystick. only real accident i’ve been in as a driver was when i slammed on my brakes when the light turned yellow and was rearended.",
"being high puts you more in the moment",
"The problem with drugs is that you can probably drive fine on low doses but its also impossible to exactly know how much affected you are. Don't drive under the influence of drugs.",
"Could you put that more in concrete or scientific terms? For example, does it shorten response time, or affect your senses in a certain way? Saying \"puts you more in the moment\" means exactly nothing.",
"there’s a commercial where the voiceover says “You won’t see them, but they’re watching you, and you will be pulled over if you drive drunk.“ I can’t believe people wouldn’t see a police car when breaking the law but i remember the onetime i drove blackout drunk and i’m just thankful nothing bad happened beside my friend’s sister being a bitch. i was on the floor of their parent’s kitchen petting their dog yelling about how she was a fascist. even though she called the cops on me for wanting to sleep at their parent’s house as i had planned with my friend without prior knowledge his sister would be there. I was supposed to meet him at that house earlier so we could carpool to the party but i was late buying some ganja so i said i’d meet him at the beer factory. started doing shots at a houseparty later and that’s when i blacked out. she held my suitcase hostage while my friend bolted out the door and drove off into the night, but even if she had given it to me i wouldn’t have driven as i now knew i couldn’t drive. I was appalled that she would endanger her brother’s life by making him drive to the other side of atlanta so drunk. I got really mad later when their dad came to his daughter’s defense when i was saying how awful it was she would do that to my friend. even though she was trying to ruin by my life by getting me arrested while i was on probation, what she did to her brother was worse. The cops had me stand by my car trying to understand the situation, which i couldn’t because i was browned out. lol there was a packed bowl out in the open in my car. I told them my friend brought me to his parent’s house after a party and my dad lived 5 minutes away so he could come pick me up. So i got on my way and ranted at my dad for hours about what a bitch of a sister my friend had.\n\ni think driving drunk was the worst thing i ever did because of how much harm i could have caused. i don’t remember it. when i drive high i’m hyper aware and think every car behind me is a cop",
"I haven't driven high in decades. Teenagers do stupid things. But driving high is probably worse? Both are terrible and dangerous, but driving high feels like a video game or something. Like it's not reality.",
"> more precise control of more intricate muscles.\n\nWhat is a \"more intricate muscle\"?",
"It's a term high people make up when they're too stoned to speak.",
"Cannabis is not alcohol. \n\n“Drunk drivers are involved in 25% of motor vehicle fatalities, and many accidents involve drivers who test positive for cannabis. Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.”\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/",
"“Drunk drivers are involved in 25% of motor vehicle fatalities, and many accidents involve drivers who test positive for cannabis. Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.”\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/",
"Pretty standard. I used to hang out with hard core stoners all the time. My favorite response to a question is always \"Wait... What?\"\n\nAt least they don't drive fast. They're always looking for a sock until late afternoon. Then they give up, kill a bowl, then crash out.\n\nFun to go fishing with though. My stoner buddy way back in college would always go fishing with me if there was a falling barometer. Somehow, they can track barometric pressure, tie a lure on properly, choose a purple twisty tail over a yellow or maybe try a rattle lure, but still have no clue where their socks go at their house.\n\nI miss fishing with my buddy Al. Good fisherman. Wake and bake every day but we'd come back to his place with a mess of walleye and eat up. He was also a good student in college, an excellent photographer, could build a super-charger for a 2 cycle engine, good artist, very charming, etc. Also, he smoked all the weed in the entire world. Like all of it. Don't worry, he didn't drive stoned. He couldn't find his sock so I had to drive. Can't drive a car with only one sock.",
"The effects of alcohol and marijuana are totally different. That's like saying \"people say they can drive on alcohol and people say they can drive on caffeine. Don't drive on drugs\". Also, your experience is not equivalent to everyone else's. If it turns out, via scientific studies, that weed impairs your ability to drive, fine. But I haven't seen that science yet. Nor have there been real world data to support the idea.",
"Yeah. With cannabis becoming legalized in more places, the perception should start changing on *driving* high. For the longest time it’s been like “well I’m breaking the law already, no big deal”\n\nI one time smoked *way* too much and drove home from a friend’s. It was a huge mistake, and the scariest thing I’ve done in my life. The streets were dead that time of night, and thank god because I didn’t have control. I could have hurt myself or someone that night, and since then I’ve been against driving high",
"> it actually makes a smoother drive because you’re not constantly course adjusting like a d-pad but moving on an arc like a joystick.\n\nDog, you're turning a wheel either way, you shouldn't have jerky corrections at all lol. That's why we use wheels/knobs to adjust things, you can fine adjust incredibly easy.",
"Stop encouraging people to break the law and risk the lives of innocent people.",
"I obey the traffic laws in GTA",
"It's almost like you should never operate *any* moving machinery if you're under any sort of mind altering substance, including one's affecting your sleep. How about you keep the roads safe and not risk the lives of others because you're an asshole?",
"arguments shouldn’t rely on a false equivalency.",
"How long have you been a robber?\n\n[about 4 foot 1](https://youtu.be/Vh17LbB8pU8)",
"Drivers under the influence of marijuana were not able to compensate for standard deviation of lateral position (SDLP, a measure of staying within lane), which increased with increasing doses of THC. This is a measure that is not subject to conscious compensatory mechanisms in the way that other aspects of driving are. Other studies have found poorer monitoring of the speedometer under the influence of marijuana,54 increased decision time when passing,52 increased time needed to brake when a light suddenly changes,55 and increased time to respond to a changing light45, 56 or sudden sound.57 Drivers also crashed more frequently into a sudden obstacle on a high dose of marijuana, although this did not happen at a low dose.45\n\nDon't quote a study if you don't actually read it",
"Lmao this actually happened with a group of friends when we got high. We also laughed when we said “your highness”.",
"Yeah there appears to be a non-small part of redditors that consider drunk driving to be just fine.",
"Not drink driving, high driving, fucking idiots think it's fine to smoke and drive, for fuck sake the last thing I want to do while high is to drive",
"*Things drunk people say before attempting to drive",
"Because stoners (people who smoke all day every day) don't get high like a regular person. Daily cannabis smoking will literally not affect those persons ability to drive whatsoever. If you are someone who does not smoke often I would definitely avoid doing this.",
"The reason it's not allowed in snowboarding is the IOC and WADA have a list of banned substances and there's a lot of political influence on that list. It absolutely does not aid performance in anything.",
"Can’t find a sock, better “kill and bowl and crash out”. Did you friend inject too many weeds?",
"Okay but only if you never drive after a coffee ever again",
"I agree driving baked is bad but I know exactly how high I am when I smoke.",
"Science does support the stoners unlike the drunks but yes don't drive under the influence because you have no right to risk others lives. We have plenty of studies done over the years that support this, though it is purely the Habitual/heavy users who would be safe driving, On the other hand, non-heavy users, according to some studies can actually have an effect on their driving, even when not under the influence of the drug anymore(these articles seem like a scare tactic as, how can something effect you after it has worn off)",
"Maybe just avoid using any weed or alcohol when driving, yeah?",
"I feel like people downvoted you because you said you can have some alcohol and still drive. It’s true though, there’s a legal limit for a reason. I think part of the issue is that you won’t be able to tell the level of intoxication with weed like you could with a breathalyzer for alcohol, so it’s better to just cut it out completely.",
"You sound fun\n\n...whats proper use of /s in this situation where my comment is obvious sarcasm but so is the fact that i posted it?",
"\"the last thing I want to do while high is to drive\"\n\nThat really depends whether there are any good snacks at the house.",
" \"If it makes you feel different than normal\"\n\nThats a get out of jail free card for a stoner who's level of feeling \"normal\" is 2 blunts and a binger.",
"Where do you live? As someone who travels a bit we aren’t great but I feel it’s due to all the out of state people who moved here. Other states are generally way worse.",
"So they made a solid reference!",
"That's why when I get behind the wheel after drinking bourbon and a few bong rips I snort a bump (or two) of cocaine. \n\nReally sharpens me up for the drive home.",
"Regardless of your opinion, driving high will never be legal and it will *never* be okay. Do you know why? Because it’s *mind altering.* You can act like you’re okay to drive when you’re stoned, but the reality is weed slows down your reaction speed, your decision making skills and your confidence behind the wheel, whether you consciously know it or not.",
"Also you could be fine until someone else makes a mistake near you and you aren't able to react to it in time.",
"Love this❤️",
"false equivalency",
"your opinion is not shared by the IOC",
"drugs are bad. mmmmkay?",
"Wow, unfunny *and* unoriginal. Maybe lay off the buds for a bit, my guy. You might just get a few of those dead brain cells back.",
"mmmkkay",
"Mate, how hard is it not to drive while high?, I know it isn't addictive, but you're definitely addicted to how you feel while high, not the drug itself",
"why is it dangerous to drive high?",
"You're not at a 100%, and you could potentially kill someone or cause them pain for the rest of their life, how is that hard to comprehend?",
"the not being at 100%",
"Ya ok buddy. Cool story. But no one cares.",
"Link to a study?",
"Agreed - that's the big issue. You could be drivingly perfectly but you can't deny that your reaction time will be slower.",
"I did the same thing. Wasn’t planning on smoking, and accidentally got way, way, way too high. It didn’t really take effect though until I was already driving. I actually lost perception of the real world in a meaningful way. I was fortunate I had pulled over in a field in the countryside (no idea how I got there). I’d come back in waves, and just laid in the back seat for a few hours until I got my composure.",
"I agree, its hard to tell if you have had too much and not safe to drive because there is no way to test the level, and just because one person knows their limit doesnt mean everyone has that same level of restraint, i do agree with no driving while intoxicated with anything, its just safer that way. \n\nPeople down vote because its easier than having a discussion about the issue. I personally dont drink at all, and i've stop smoking weed as well, so driving intoxicated is a non issue for me but i still like to discuss the topic because of my past.",
"Some people care, just because you don't does not mean you speak for everyone, but cool story bro, thanks for your input...",
"You're right. Wrong choice of words. People that try to justify consuming drugs/alcohol before driving might actually care. But normal, rational people would probably disagree.\n\nAre you aware that simply being too tired can be considered impaired driving? There is no difference between being high and being stoned and being tired and being drunk or even being curious what's on your phone.... There is no measurement of impairment... it's either your judgement is impaired, or it's not.\n\nYou're driving a 2000Lb. hunk of metal. Don't be impaired.",
"Couldn't find a link, but IIRC they both (drunks and stoners) commit roughly the same amount of infractions, but the drunks tend to err on the side of recklessness, and the stoners on the side of over-caution.",
"Can you tell me when is being too tired an impairment? Can you measure how tired someone is? Say im just a little tired, is that the same as falling asleep at the wheel tired? Just maybe there are different levels of state, like how you can have two standard drinks and still legally be allowed to drive, its the same with weed, you probably dont know because i assume you have never smoked it, but there is a big difference in being a little high and being stoned. I dont try to justify anything, i dont drink or smoke weed(anymore), but that doesnt mean no one does, and people out there will do these things regardless of what we say or do, so its better to have these diiscussions and maybe have a plan or some guidelines on what is acceptable and what isn't because its never going away.",
"> you probably dont know because i assume you have never smoked it\n\nTake a quick peek at my username...\n\n> Can you tell me when is being too tired an impairment?\n\nLet me preface that it's probably different everywhere. But if you admit that you're tired then that's good enough measurement for a cop.\n\nA few weeks after I got my drivers license I pulled an all nighter at my friends house playing CounterStrike, drinking Mountain Dew and Eating Pizza. I drove home at 8 am and rear ended an off-duty police officer on his way to work. \n\nHe asked if I was drinking and I said no, and explained that I just didn't sleep all night (thinking that was a good excuse (It was not a good excuse)). 2 on-duty cops came and explained how they could've charged me, but didn't because I was only 17 and wanted to give me a break. But they couldn't let me drive my car home so luckily they were super chill and waited for my parents to come pick up me and the car.",
"True, i didnt think about your username when i assumed. But surely you know there is a difference in being a little high and being stoned, because i certainly think there is and have felt the difference, to the point where i knew i was waaay too stoned to drive amywhere but again, different people have different restraints, just because i know when too much is too much doesnt mean everyone does. \n\nThe tired thing is alot harder, i feel tired after i wake up, and i would say that im tired but still feel okay to drive, i once worked a full 10 hour day then decided to drive 6 hours to get home, i fell asleep at the wheel but luckily i woke up straight away and nothing happened but i learnt a lesson about driving tired, but again, there are different levels of being tired and it would not stop me driving if i was a little bit tired. Im not impaired enough to not drive but in saying that as well, different people have different levels of driving skill.\n\nIm just saying there is a difference in everyone and life is complicated.",
"https://time.com/3706491/driving-stoned-drunk-study-safety/",
"Holy shit, dude. You sound like complete fucking idiot quoting South Park as if you're somehow lambasting their opinion.\n\nConsider for a second: you're acting like a giant douche to someone who is *obviously* on the same side as you when it comes to the drug-legalization debate.\n\nWhat's your end-game with this approach? What are you hoping to achieve?",
"> But surely you know there is a difference in being a little high and being stoned\n\nYou're completely missing my point. Put the fuckin bong down.\n\n> The tired thing is alot harder, i feel tired after i wake up\n\nBeing a little tired for the first 60 seconds after you wake up from a good nights sleep is A LOT different than being tired after being awake for 24 hours.\n\n> different people have different levels of driving skill\n\n100% irrelevant since we're talking about IMPAIRED driving. NOT DRIVING SKILL\n\n*edit: its actually crazy how much you're trying to justify this*",
"Like i said, i dont smoke anymore. \n\nSo you agree, there are different states of being tired. Like everything else, impairment for example. You cant just blanket all impairment as the same thing, its not black and white like that. \n\nSo do you disagree with the law that lets people have a couple of drinks and still drive? Because thats impairment. Even the law allows for some impairment and driving but you're so black and white that you think ANY impairment is bad and shouldnt allow driving. Even the law knows there are different levels of impairment. Im not trying to justify anything, im trying to explain that some impairment is not the samee thing as total impairment. How do you not get that?",
"> So do you disagree with the law that lets people have a couple of drinks and still drive? \n\nThere is no law that lets people have a couple of drinks and drive. What the the actual fuck are you on about? lol.\n\n> Even the law allows for some impairment\n\nThe law has 0 tolerance for impairment. You're extremely confused. A breathalyzer will measure your alcohol level. Your alcohol level is what determines if you are impaired or not. Let me repeat. Impaired OR not [impaired]. Yes or No. 1 or 0. Ying or Yang. Black or White. If you take a breathalyzer and you blow over... you're impaired. If you blow under. You're not impaired. There is no \"SOME\" impartment. Just because a breathalyzer is measured by a numeric range doesn't mean there is any sort of middle ground.",
"> So you agree\n\nno",
"So you're saying a little bit of alcohol does not impair you? So how does a little bit of weed not have the same standard?",
"I know plenty of peole that smoke weed all day long like it was cigarettes and never had any accident, but that's only true for heavy users that got a high tolerance, someone smoking occasionaly will not be able to, you can't generalize a statement like this.\n\nAnd it's somewhat true for the alcohol as well except the alcohol make you overconfident wich is really bad for driving, the weed on the contrary tend to make you overcautious, wich is not as bad.",
"Sure...one can argue that if you're not high then you're not impaired. You can smoke a little weed and not get high. But you're trying to justify that driving high is safer than driving stoned. Whateverthefuck that means. You're talking about driving while on a tolerable high. You take 2 puffs of a joint and turn a 3 year old into sphagetti at a crosswalk, no one is gonna care if you were only just a little bit high.\n\nAgain.... it's amazing you're trying to defend your argument. Don't drive impared.",
"Now you're just making assumptions, that was what i was trying to explain, that you can have a smoke and not be impaired by it. You turn a 3 year old into spaghetti sober and no one is gonna care that ypu were sober. \n\nAnd ill do what ever i like, i know my limits.",
"> Now you're just making assumptions\n\nYou literally said you've driven while high... \n\n> And ill do what ever i like, i know my limits.\n\nOk...You're very badass and can drive while high...we get it. Yikes.\n\nIt's only a matter of time my guy. Good luck with that.",
"The response to the kazoo gets me every time."
] | 95 | videos | What does a pot sobriety test look like? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qby20WABs | /r/videos/comments/rommzw/gary_sinise_aka_lieutenant_dan_from_forrest_gump/ | [
" \"But you ain't got no legs, Lieutenant Dan\"",
"I definitely associate him from Forrest Gump too but I wonder how many people know him best from CSI or other stuff. He's been in a lot.\n\nActually I'm curious what 20 year olds and younger think of Forrest Gump, or if you guys even bother watching it.",
"Sinise Navidad?",
"Gary Sinise is the man!!!",
"Gary Sinise is a true American hero.",
"Dude Gary Sinese is fuckin awesome. Ever see this guy in Of Mice and Men? And to know he’s a beautiful person is so cool. Good dude.",
"You were waiting to get us with that one, huh OP? 🎄",
"Haha guilty?",
"What all celebrities should aspire to.",
"Gary Sinise is the MAN!",
"Wow I totally forgot Five for Fighting existed before this post.",
"Every American should be like this"
] | 13 | videos | Gary Sinise. A.K.A. "Lieutenant Dan" from Forrest Gump serving troops and performing with John Ondrasik from Five for Fighting at a special Gary Sinise Foundation Christmas event |
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"This is a sad and unhappy subject but one that should be exposed. This poem dignifies the victims of needless medical research."
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https://youtu.be/7399uXA3gN8 | /r/videos/comments/rons37/saw_this_guy_having_fun_on_christmas_eve/ | [
"fun fact: \n\nIn german we say \"Frohe Weihnachten und guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr\"\n\nwhich translates to \"merry christmas and good slide into the new year\"",
"Damn, the Internet has ruined me for cute. I kept waiting for an orca to break through the ice and eat him, or a hawk to swoop down, or.... so glad the little guy made it, and is having fun!\n\n( Well, at least we assume he is doing it for fun. Could that action confer any survival benefits? Does the occasional slide use less energy than pure running, or perhaps help him in some other way?? )",
"I’d be so confused if I came across those tracks later on.",
"Cute and wholesome",
"There's probably some efficiency behind it, but they're known to slide a lot. Snow, mud, leaves... Perhaps because they're a bit fatter with shorter legs compared to other animals.\n\nI'd rather suspect they enjoy it too. Running is a survival aid but look how many animals get \"the zoomies\"?",
"I think they meant “shock” content."
] | 6 | videos | Saw this guy having fun on Christmas Eve |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTyM_mThaY | /r/videos/comments/roo67d/christmas_celebrations_in_pakistan/ | [
"Looks like fun",
"It’s interesting that 95% of the motorbikes appear to be the same model.",
"A little something called a monopoly and the lack of innovation because everyone just keeps buying the same thing",
"[Meanwhile in India..](https://scroll.in/latest/1013644/hindutva-group-allegedly-disrupts-christmas-celebrations-in-a-school-in-karnataka)",
"Honda holds the monopoly on bikes in Pak. \n\nIt's an extremely economical, fuel efficient and workhorse model so most people get that.",
"Thanks. It looks like the model is the Honda CD70, which has a 4-stroke 72cc engine. It was introduced in 1970 and continues to be manufactured and sold in Pakistan for US$535.",
"Obvious randian idiot\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPhbnOzR3o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPhbnOzR3o)\n\ntumhare daddy scroll wale bhi sach nahi chupa pa rahe\n\n>Indeed, Christians in Pakistan usually make their way into the public consciousness when they are victims of lynch mobs or young girls from the community are forcibly converted and married off to Muslim men. So even if only in a symbolic fashion, let us acknowledge the humanity of the otherwise beleaguered Christian population and rejoice alongside them on the biggest day of their year. \n\n\n[https://scroll.in/article/1013584/in-pakistan-discrimination-against-christians-has-more-to-do-with-caste-than-faith](https://scroll.in/article/1013584/in-pakistan-discrimination-against-christians-has-more-to-do-with-caste-than-faith)\n\npata nahi kab sharam aayegi tum logo ko",
"Mate if you actually spent effort downvoting everybody on a post to spread some good feels, I'd have to say that's really pathetic....\n\nIf I'm wrong about that, I apologize...",
"i was responding to u/xtze12"
] | 10 | videos | Christmas celebrations in Pakistan |
https://youtu.be/skcqFTi3s_A | /r/videos/comments/roo8za/building_complete_and_warm_survival_shelter/ | [
"How long would something like this last?",
"About 5 minutes until a spider crawls in and I burst out through the roof",
"Weeks or months, I should think, depending on the time of year and weather.\n\nIf you keep patching it up, you could in theory keep it going indefinitely, if you walked away from it, it wouldn't last a month before it had rotted through, fallen down, be overrun by vegetation, etc.\n\nChances are after a few months, you'd be wanting another because it would become a pain in the butt to maintain unless you're working on it a little every day and sleeping in it every night.\n\nFar too close to that little creek too. One rainstorm and you're swimming.\n\nI find these kinds of videos very relaxing, I like the little chimney, but the roof hatch is largely pointless and just going to be a place to leak through when it rains.",
"I imagine in a heavy rain it would get pretty wet in there as the ground soaks up the water and it would come through the clay and mud wall, creating a puddle inside. Still a neat concept though.",
"It's true that it's way too close to the creek to be practical, but it's a fantastic little shelter otherwise.",
"I've watched tons of random videos like this while going down a YouTube rabbit hole, but this is the first time I've seen a French version.",
"That's what I was thinking too. What happens when the rain runs down the hill and starts pooling up in your little hobbit hole.",
">the roof hatch is largely pointless\n\nYou want to have at least two exits for any structure you're dwelling in. For example, when a bear comes asking for any extra kabobs you've made",
"Not to mention he built on the inside of the curve of the creek, which is usually the side that floods. Too close to the water, a flash flood through that little gully would wipe his shelter out quite quickly.",
"That knife needs sharpening for sure 😅",
"Look at this guy, having *tools*.",
"Is it really bushcraft if you have a spade, shovel, saw, etc?",
"Generally you want it out of reach of the first exit.",
"I died inside when i see him using a stone as his wood splitting block. Never lend this guy your tools lol",
"Also stuck his knife in the dirt.",
"yeah and probably the axe after he repeatedly slammed it into a stone",
"Is it a survival shelter for ants?!",
"Out of all the survival videos I've seen this one looks like a very good way to get yourself killed by carbon monoxide poisoning.",
"The reddit warriors could do it so much better couldn't they? It's just common knowledge for any everyday blade owner amirite. Guy in the video needs to get a grip",
"Oscar Isaac has turned his back on Hollywood!",
"I love videos like this but calling it a ‘survival’ shelter 😅 In an emergency all you need is a knife, hatchet, pick axe, spade, saw, a ton of wood and a week to build it. You too can have you very own camouflaged rescue hut. \n\nAlso loved it when he whipped out a tarp which would have made an amazing roof but didn’t use it.\n\nNevertheless want to know his channel name so I can subscribe and watch more hobbit house building!",
"My big issue with this one was using river rocks in the fire place.\n\nRiver rocks when heated tend to explode, sure maybe the fire didn't get hot enough but no way am I sleeping with my face in front of that.",
"The problem is that many of those videos are made for entertainment, often with advenced machinery off-camera. With hired actors that play the roles of builders.\n\nThe things they build are also made for asthetic effect not usability. Many would not survive a first rain.\n\nSo yes, I bet many of the redditors would probably do it better. \n\n\nPS. Tool choice also seems to be for effect often. He uses rock to hammer in something instead of ... well a hammer. But in next cut he uses saw, shovel, pickaxe, etc.",
"Well you can’t use a bush for everything.",
"The target audience of this video must be the Minecraft community",
"It’s all dumb",
"Only faster and with a pool!",
"Lovely to watch. \n\nPersonally I’d love to buy a more permanent version from a hardware store. Pre-cut wood, and a little waterproofing plastic tarp lining, would make a big difference. Just dig your own hole and assemble joins. \n\nSomeone with a truck and an electrical saw should start these up on a Shopify store, stat!",
"I miss Ray mears and primitive tech guy so much\n\n\nPrimitive tech sold out to big business and now he does nothing",
"My first thought when watching this was whatever happened to primitive technology. Sad day.",
"To be honest idc if this shit is staged or fake as fuck. It's relaxing and helps with my anxiety when I need to get to sleep.",
"That hand saw drove me crazy, it's small and requires lots of effort to use. That said, it's a heck of a lot better than what our ancestors had for 99.9% of our existence.",
"Sounds like you want a shed.",
"ah, that explains it.",
"Yeah, the video of the primitive tech guy making a stone axe was the real OG Neanderthal.\n\nThat being said, I really enjoyed watching this. As others have said, too close to the creek due to a rain causing a flood, but...if just making a video, it allowed him to show some useful techniques quickly. Water to boil for consumption, and making the clay.\n\nI liked how he showed mixing stone and clay utilizes the resources better. When he was making the clay, I cringed for how cold the water must be...Also nice using leaves to seal the wood slats, and then dirt on top of the leaves to keep out rain.",
"Kind of! But there’s something nice about the wood too, and the unusual low and wide shape that blends into the landscape. \n\nI’d rather that hidden away in a forest to visit occasionally, than an all plastic tent, or an all sterile shed that could easily be discovered.",
"I'm trying to learn all the tips. What is the issue with a stone under the sticks when splitting them? Fear of a stick that splits easily, and the blade hits the stone?",
"I still want a folding saw. I've seen one that uses the longer 12-inch Sawzall blades...The Sawzall blades are readily available everywhere, and will likely never change their interface, but...the longest ones are fairly short.\n\nThere are some pricey 18/20-inch masonry sawzall blades, but the tooth might not be ideal for cutting wood.",
"[Cyprien Outdoor Adventures](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwFCb4jeqaKWnciAYM-ZVHg)",
"boomers when they tell how they built their house when they came to america",
"homedepot hates him",
"You'll blunt the axe pretty quickly. His knife is also extremely blunt, it has trouble cutting through a pepper which as any chef will tell you using a dull knife is just asking to cut yourself in food prep. Getting even a small cut chopping up food in the wilderness can lead to infection and death so...",
"He has fresh meat and vegetables. At least use cured meat and some foraged plants...",
"Ray mears is great.\n\nCriminally underrated.",
"That’s a lot of effort just to masturbate in the woods",
"That would be rough to build in New England. The rocks in the ground would make it an epic job to dig something like that out .",
"Impressive as I don't have skills like this, but I vaguely remember someone building something similar but also with a hand dug, hand filled pool",
"According to the wiki, John Plant of primitive technology is working on a broadcast show.",
"Hope this is his application for “Alone.”",
"He seems to have a pretty full kit, so I'd think he'd have a separate folding knife that he keeps super-sharp for food prep and appendix removal...",
"I think the clay serves as a refractive material, so the stone is not exposed directly to the fire. That’s why it didn’t get hot enough to crack.\n\nBut you’re right, if there is too much humidity in the stone, very porous river rocks are dangerous.",
"Where I’m from there would be approximately 1 cm of soft top soil and then rocks, stone and roots. Probably why dynamite man was born here.",
"This reminds me: I have to go back to playing Minecraft.",
"Don’t forget the carefully butchered pork and fresh peppers, squash and lovely candles to give it a vibe.",
"You win. 🤣",
"Let's hope this is on private property: These constructions are extremely temporary and leave a significant mark on the area that takes a while for nature to reclaim. There are drone shots of what earthen structures from viral videos look like after a year...",
"He also wrote a book.\n\nhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Primitive-Technology-complete-making-scratch/dp/1529104599",
"Fantastic question and I'm glad to see it asked.",
"Also you shouldn't use a dug-in structure like this for any extended period due to radon*.",
"I love people who have no understanding of carbon monoxide and try to warn others of the danger. There's zero effective chance of CO danger from that fire. \n\nFor there to be a CO risk that fire would need to be starved of oxygen, for that to happen that hut would need to be significantly air tight, that hut is a sieve. Then of course the chimney would need to be covered to cause a back draft. \n\nIn summary, stop thinking being close to a fire or small space = CO poisoning.\n\n*also to be clear, \"no fires in small or enclosed spaces\" is great general advice to be given to prevent any chance of CO poisoning. That's different from assessing a specific case and declaring it a death trap because you're ignorant.",
"Typically I’d agree with you, but if you grew up in the sticks or with a family with lots of tools - you learn pretty quick how not to use a knife as a child when a grown up starts yelling at you about dulling their blades.",
"I hope it'll just be the same as his YT videos but knowing network tv I have strong doubts. \n\n>Another post on February 8, 2021 explained that John shot a pilot episode for the project but the network wanted to change the format",
"Well duh, that's why it's called bush***craft***, you have to craft the bush into a shovel and saw!",
"Not true. Also you're probably thinking of radon.",
"haha this actually came up on my recommended videos on its own, now I see it here!",
"I think I know which you mean but I can't find it on YouTube. Found about a dozen others though which are related.",
">Nevertheless want to know his channel name\n\nyou can just click the channel in the video you watch. it's *on the correct channel already*",
"What is that?",
"TIL. Would've never thought about that.",
"staged? fake? What does that even mean in this context? He's doing what he's doing. We're seeing it. I mean, yeah, he knows the camera is there. It's not like someone came across the guy in the forest and just started filming. OK I guess it is staged...?",
"You're talking about the asian ones. That's something else. They don't care at all.\n\nThis one has very little impact on the natural environment.",
"Magical underground kill you gas",
"Woulda loved if after eating he’d turned to one wall where there’s a beer tap installed",
"When did gallowboob start making camping videos?",
"When did gallowboob start making camping videos?",
"Legacy media over new media is a step backwards for a big paycheck if the show he is working on actually gets made and not dustbinned or the formula so fucked with it no longer holds interest",
">network wanted to change the format\n\nEvery. single. Time \n\nSame with u/prufrock451",
"Yeah he's the best imo \n\nNo bullshitting with him.",
"Yeah, he wanted the money though. It's just, will his show even be primitive tech. They will retool it and add voice overs and other unnecessary shit to increase Nielsen engagement or some other legacy media bollocks",
"Ty for the laugh. \n\nLight to moderate surgery…",
"Agree.",
"It's dumb to build this close to the creek, one flash flood and he's dead. Not to mention mosquitoes.",
"Yeah, that part of the video just made me want to scream out loud.",
"Not just tools, a _lot_ of tools. Pickaxe, Hatchet, Knife, Shovel, and Saw.",
"Well, as much as radon is a risk, it requires prolonged exposure and generally accumulates in buildings because of their innate air-tightness. A bush-built structure like this would not be air tight enough to allow radon gas to accumulate in any kind of quantity.",
"There was a guy at the Antarctic station who was snowed-in and his appendix was about to burst, he was a medic (maybe not a full doctor) and he cut out his own appendix.\n\nI was a mechanic on a submarine, and as far as surgery, the medic was only allowed to cut out an appendix, sooo...apparently an appendix is a good starter surgery for a beginner. I wonder if there is a youtube about that?...",
"I think he's referring to the massive number of channels that popped up after Primitive Technology became popular. They all were shot as if it was just one or two guys with sticks building ludicrous structures with an insane output of videos. *A lot of people have come to the conclusion these copycats were just using more people and/or equipment in between cuts so they could make a large number of impressive structures in a reasonable amount of time.\n\n[For example this is the OG, this hut took him 102 days (66 without rain)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE)\n\n[Meanwhile this is from one of the copycat channels. This was 60 days and the 2700 gallon pool was filled by hand with two jugs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3fSLhBzumM)",
"Bet that was an amazing cup of coffee",
"And he destabilized an interior bank below the treeline. I think the property owner will ultimately regret this little project.",
"I thought it was radio active ghosts.",
"Sounds like they want to ruin it. As is tradition.",
"Better insulation than my Tokyo apartment.",
"Really upset the “chimney” didn’t have a redirect to keep out rain. Seemed kinda half assed considering it would be simple with all the perfectly flat stones just laying around everywhere!!!",
"Not long in terms of how close he is to water.",
"yeah, who comes into these situations prepared? You just drop in there with the clothes on your body and $2k of camera equipment",
"Yep",
"You want to really relax check out this classic “Alone In The Wilderness”. Great documentary and methodical process to building a survival cabin. \n\nhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmzQnnJU3BXmnohrwI3BYtYU9xF4VulU1"
] | 97 | videos | Building complete and warm survival shelter | Bushcraft earth hut, grass roof & fireplace with clay |
https://youtu.be/cHS5380Owo0 | /r/videos/comments/roohrc/made_my_first_commercial_video_although_its_just/ | [
"Great job.",
"pretty.",
"thank youuuuuu",
"thank you soo much",
"Very nice,",
"great. feels like it really starts at 35 seconds in. the sound is very front and narrow sounding. thats seriously nick picking though. good camera work. good editing.",
"sorry i didn’t write more but it’s a good edit of good shots. couple of short moments could cause a little cleanup but it works",
"It took me hours just to pick the right sound effects\nThank you so much for your comment!\nReally appreciated!"
] | 8 | videos | Made my first commercial video! - Although it's just for a contest tho / Need your thoughts guys |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ropcmx/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/ropcmx/deleted_by_user/ | [
"As a teacher, I hate the pledge of allegiance so much and I am convinced that Hamilton, Adams (especially Sam), Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the rest of the zany gang would have hated it too. Hating the pledge doesn’t mean I hate this country or disrespect the sacrifice my grandfather made. I just hate indoctrination, the words are stupid, and it’s ridiculous that we have kids say it.",
"I know you said you don't hate this country, but why do you hate this country so much? \n\nWhy do you spit on the sacrifice of our brave honorable soldiers?\n\n\nedit: satire people, satire",
"Then take a stand, don’t do it in your classroom.",
"I don’t.",
"What sacrifice?",
"The second I learned I didn't have to say it, I stopped.",
"Did you ever see [Bellamy salute](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute) that is supposed to go with it?",
"**[Bellamy salute](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute)** \n \n >The Bellamy salute is a palm-out salute described by Francis Bellamy, the author of the American Pledge of Allegiance, as the gesture which was to accompany the pledge. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the \"flag salute\". Both the Pledge and its salute originated in 1892. Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, erroneously attributed to the Roman salute, a gesture that was popularly believed to have been used in ancient Rome.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"RIP Trevor Moore",
"Looking from the outside, I see so many people who cling to various amendments to the US constitution like they were God given rights forever and ever amen.\n\nLike, does the term \"amendments\" not give you a clue that they were put in AFTER the constitution was written, and can also be taken out and changed?",
"The fact children are forced recite it even though they are too young to even understand the words prove it’s only purpose is indoctrination.",
"[Here's a fixed version of the pledge of allegiance from Doug Stanhope](https://youtu.be/X4Rm87cqnUI?t=290)",
"I never knew that was an option when I was a kid. So I just stood there, moved my mouth some, mumbled sounds, and didn't actually say anything. It just seemed dumb to me to do that every day, and as I got older, it just got worse.",
"I think for many people (at least in my area) the line between religion and government has been very blurred for a very long time. I grew up listening to teaching that was basically advocating for a fascist Christian ethnostate and it wasn't until I went to college that I started getting other points of view.\n\nMany people around me view \"America\" as a Christian nation established by God that is under constant attack by liberals and communists. So the things they like about the country are God-given and the things they hate about the country are devil-inspired socialist assaults on \"freedom\". \n\nThis doesn't leave a lot of room in their worldview for individual agency, mindless bureaucracy, social progress, or any of the other things that affect the direction a government and society move in. A lot of nuance is lost when you think of everything around you as being part of a battle between the divine and the profane.",
"As a kid I never thought too much about it. But thinking back it's pretty cringe having to say that at school everyday.",
"It is seen as really weird in other countries and yes indeed like this video shows as a form of brain washing.",
"You can live your country without being brainwashed. I love mine and we never had this ridiculous practice.",
"My favorite part is how right wingers in Congress took the line \"one nation indivisible\" and *literally divided it* in order to wedge in \"under God\".",
"The whole concept of forcing children to give daily affirmations of allegiance to a country is some straight up North Korean bullshit.\n\nAlso never got the obsession with the flag.",
"We love you Trevor",
"That’s called society, dude. Social contract more specifically, literally nothing new",
"What does this have to do with your creepy pledge? The pledge isn't an unwritten ideal, it's literally a written agreement.",
"I hate it because to me it’s idolatry of the flag.\n\nWhile I sort of support the idea behind it of fostering an American patriotism in immigrant children, I don’t like how it’s worded or how it’s compulsory. \n\nAnd don’t get me started on what Evangelical schools do, where they also pledge allegiance to the Christian flag (there are two different pledges floating around) and the Bible itself. It rubs me the wrong way to swear loyalty oaths on holy objects.",
"The original intent was to form a common American identity in children from various immigrant backgrounds. It’s about the flag because classrooms all had flags in them and Bellamy sought to justify their existence.\n\nI agree though there seems almost too much emphasis on the flag generally and not what it represents. I consider it vexillolatry.",
"Thanks for sharing this! I love Doug Stanhope's take on patriotism and nationalism. He's second only to George Carlin to making the best points that are both vulgar and funny. 😊",
">Sacrifice.\n\nYeah, soldiers who choose to go into the military aren't sacrificing shit. They *chose* that. The only sacrificed soldiers have been those who have been drafted.\n\nI have 0 respect for military as is. It's for oil and money. Nothing else. No \"protection of freedom\" or any of that bullshit. I'm sorry you drank the kool-aid.",
"It gets weirder when you're a foreign student. I'm not american, but I went to elementary school in the US for a few years as a child.\n\nI *had to* pledge my allegiance every day, with my hand over my heart, for a country that I'm not from. Including the \"under god\" part. It's fucked.",
"The pledge of allegiance at school is such a bizarre thing to me. It feels like something you would see in a communist dictatorship like North Korea, not in a supposedly democratic free country.",
"RIP Trevor Moore :(",
"I had a teacher that only allowed jehovah witnesses to not say it based on religious grounds. Everyone else had to say it every day no matter what",
"I'm atheist so the pledge doesn't make sense anyways.",
"Pelosi defending insider trading the other week has me convinced this country is doomed. \n\nNo Pelosi, that's what the bad guys are supposed to say... You're trying to portray yourself as the good guys, remember?",
"People are downvoting you because the pledge of allegiance doesn't stop the US from turning into total anarchy",
"So reciting some ridiculous nationalist indoctrination credo is the line separating us from anarchy?",
"> like they were God given rights forever and ever amen.\n\nlol...like they were X by God\n\nyeah God did a lot of things but not give those amendments, right? Let's talk about stuff God gave.",
"If you're referring to the Bill of Rights, that is an outline that is in fact intended to remain unchanged. It is an outline of what the government is not allowed to do specifically because the Founders determined that God granted such rights to people. I am not religious but can give several other reasons pertaining to the natural world as well why these rights belong to all people and are beneficial\n\nAmendment in the context of the Constitution does not mean change though like you appear to believe",
"Specifically no, broadly yes.",
"\"Under god\" was added in the '50s.",
"nope, but ideals shared by its people do. No shared ideals, how do we know we're on the same side?",
"I have heard that. They didn't really need to give me a(nother) reason but they did",
"Apparently god forgot about slavery in the bill of rights. Seems to have also forgotten about women voting too. Either god is very forgetful or an asshole.",
"It isn't an all-encompassing \"These are all the things you are entitled to\" It's a simple list of things that can't be taken away. It's a good thing that slavery was not on that list",
"I vote we give her and the other corrupt fucks $100 million each to go away. It would be less damaging in the long run by far.",
"If all that stops a country from sliding into anarchy is kids spouting nationalist nonsense, you've got bigger problems.",
"Did no one get that I was being satirical lol",
">It's a simple list of things that can't be taken away.\n\nUntil you do something Uncle Sam doesn't agree with, like smoke some weed or buy a Cuban cigar. Then they get taken away right quick, and you don't ever get the good ones back. Doesn't sound very \"god given\" to me.\n\n> It's a good thing that slavery was not on that list\n\nSlavery is *still* on that list. There's very specific exceptions made so that people who do something Uncle Sam doesn't like become slaves.",
"Evidently no",
"They're not forced to, that's super mega ultra illegal. When I was in school we didn't even stand for it, we just shut up for 30 seconds and waited for the announcement to end.",
"Breaking the laws of the social contract you live under is voluntary surrender of your rights, nobody is taking it from you. If you don't like the laws you can lobby to have them changed",
">Amendment in the context of the Constitution does not mean change\n\nYes, it does.\n\nWhat do you think it means?",
"Texas, 2018\n\nLandry, who is black and had sat through the daily Pledge of Allegiance some 200 times as a form of protest, was sitting in the principal’s office that morning when the pledge rang through over the intercom. When she failed to stand, court documents allege, Principal Martha Strother told her, “Well, you’re kicked outta here.”\n\n“This is not the NFL,” the principal’s secretary told her, according to court documents.",
"I have been telling my friends this, they dont get it.",
"...what side? What side are you talking about? Why do people need to have sides?\n\nChrist, I can't imagine someone asking me \"are you on the same side as me?\". Like wtf this isn't some dumb movie, people aren't supposed to have \"sides\". Being concerned with \"how do we know we're on the same side?\" literally sounds like a child's playground game.",
"That's my point. They're not \"rights\" if someone can just come and take them away because you and them have a few moral differences. \n\nAnd no, it's not a \"voluntary surrender of rights\" if you can lose your ability to participate in society because a cop had a bad day. It's a fucked system that should never have been implemented in that way.",
"OK. Where's the rest of the story? Because every other time I've come across a story like that, it ends with a lawsuit and a massive payout. The Supreme Court already ruled on it years ago. An American public school 100% cannot require participation in the pledge, nor can they punish students for not participating.",
"https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/25/ken-paxton-texas-law-student-stand-pledge-allegiance-/",
"I pledge allegiance\\\nto the flag\\\nof the United State of America\\\nand to the republic\\\nfor which it stands,\\\none nation\\\nunder God,\\\nindivisible,\\\nwith liberty and justice for all.\n\nThere, I said it. Can I go to recess now?",
"Wait, you guys really recite the pledge of allegiance every single school day?",
"Back in the day, not sure about now",
"I was very annoyed when my 4 year old started reciting it at home, but she was very excited about it. She doesn't understand what she's saying, she just thinks it's a fun thing they say every morning. \n\nIt's infuriating. No, a 4 year old child going to school is not pledging allegiance to a flag, why the fuck is she memorizing that?",
"Thanks, had no idea. To be fair I went to Catholic School in Ontario which is publicly funded, and we had a prayer every morning, plus the national anthem, so this isn't much different.",
"> If you don't like the laws you can lobby to have them changed\n\nSo what you're saying is, they're not \"god given rights\", just \"god given suggestions\" that can always be changed at the end of the day, got it.",
"Agreed. Never saw the point. As a kid, I figured that if I hated this country, forcing me to say a few words once a day won't change that, and just moved my mouth while not saying anything.",
"That's not what I said, check your comprehension.",
"I went to school in Ontario and then raised kids in Texas. In Ontario you stood and listened to the PA speaker. In the USA you stand, put your hand over your heart and recite the words. It's different. In Texas though you also go straight in to the the Texas Pledge of Allegiance which is oddly similar the US pledge, but different enough to be Texan. \"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible\"",
"It's exactly what you said, here, let me remind you.\n\n> It is an outline of what the government is not allowed to do specifically because the Founders determined that God granted such rights to people.\n\nAlso known as \"god given rights\". Except they're not god given, and they can be taken away.",
"God is cool with slavery. Check exodus 21. Pretty neat how awful it is",
"Though at the time, the pledge was a little different than what is today.\n\n>[\"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.\" ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute#History)",
"It really does. The 18th amendment prohibited the manufacture and sale of alcohol.\n\nAnd then the 23rd amendment repealed it. Thats a pretty massive change right there.",
"That's interesting",
"Trevor Moore died by falling off his balcony. Found in his backyard with a high blood alcohol in his system when he was found. \n\nHe was a wonderful comedian and dude.",
"Lol one of the amendments is literally the removal of one of the previous amendments",
"Surely a person who is openly pro-insider trading will stick to the spirit of a contract.",
"Well they'd be out of government, that's pretty airtight.",
"There are about 3000 different gods being worshipped around the world. We have to establish which one first.",
"Founders did not grant us those rights. They recognized what were God given rights.\n\nEveryone has many god given rights. Only a few countries recognize them, and many prosecute for the exercising of them.\n\nDo not become complacent with the rights you are able to exercise, otherwise you will wake up one day, and realize that all these rights that you had grown accustomed to, are functionally non existent, and it's a different country than what you used to live in.",
"Thanks for clearing that up. I was starting to think amendment meant something else in US English.",
"Had to still do it around 8 or so years ago in Houston when I was in High school. Almost none of the students did it but the schools are still forced to have the moment every day.\n\nEvery morning at the same time we had the classroom speaker begin with the announcement that ended with the US pledge and then the Texas pledge of allegiance because my state just figured why not. \n\nFun fact about the Texas pledge. Was in middle school during the time when the pledge had \"one state under god\" added to it in 2007. I actually saw somebody get narced on for not saying that line.",
"Because outside of whatever protected environment you currently enjoy this is how the world works. There are very real threats that other humans on this planet struggle to fight off. YOU 'can't imagine someone asking you what side you're on' ? How nice that must be for you. Ever wonder how YOU got to this level of protection? How many people had to fight and die so YOU could enjoy this level of privilege? \n\nYes it literally sounds like a children's playground game because adults who were once children formed organized groups and killed anyone not on their team. Rwanda, Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Honduras, Syria, Iraq, to name a few in the past 100 years. \n\nWhy do people have sides? Because people are scared greedy unforgiving monsters capable of unspeakable actions.",
"JFC Americans really are as nutty as they come",
"You lack basic, foundational knowledge, about the founding of our country. And the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you. I advise you to take it upon yourself to read many of the letters sent between the Founding Fathers, Perhaps Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography, The Articles of Confederation, The Federalist Papers. Hell, go put on some old History Channel documentaries for the revolution, Go to Khan Academy and take some of the lessons on American History.\n\nOr don't and continue in ignorance, and explain with the confidence and bravado of someone who truly knows nothing about what they speak.",
"ok kid, run along and let someone else die for you."
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https://youtu.be/1EPx9slOH1A | /r/videos/comments/roq1hd/eyebrowed_electrical_engineer_demonstrates_the/ | [
"This guy is awesome",
"FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER",
"Eyebrowed electrical engineer? That's electroBOOM, aka u/melector",
"Yeah, sure, after 11 minutes...",
"ElectroBOOM is right. It's also another step towards the removal of democratic power on the YT website. Corporate wants to be king. I've since stopped voting and commenting on YT altogether. Ready to jump ship and waiting for the first dao video platform.",
"Removing dislikes changes nothing. They were never an accurate way to asses the quality of the video, or the information in it. I can bet you that everyone of those example that have say, 200k likes had at most 10k dislikes. A lot of people suddenly think it is the end of youtube when it really changes nothing. Most people do not look at those anyway, because it meant nothing before. Misinformation was liked before and will be that after. Nothing really changed. \n\n\nedit: The ratio didn't mean anything, the total amount of them together did. Comments weigh even more, so videos that are the worst BS gets the most angry comments and this pushed them higher and higher. The only thing that pulls them down is to not engage at all, closing the tab after 15 seconds of watching without clicking ANYTHING else.",
"Change all your street signs to one way then!\n\nIf there is no contraflow of discourse then there is zero discourse.\n\nThis is how echo chambers are formed",
"The number of people who think that dislikes were indication of anything, and that anyone really paid attention.. I can bet YOU didn't notice them before they were removed. Of course you won't admit to it but we both know you didn't give a crap about them.",
"wut? that makes no sense, what i'm saying is not good for youtube, at all. I'm saying that misinformation was not removed, nor was it unpopular when those dislikes were visible. That is kind of worse.. But of course, since you are most likely one more person who noticed the dislikes when they were removed and didn't pay attention to them at all before.. i must be a shill of saying that PEOPLE SUCK.",
"\"I didn't look at them, therefore no one did\"\n\nYou have no idea what you're talking about.",
"Oh, we both know that is true. By far the majority who are not trending on youtube outrage never really paid attention to them before. It is not visible in the front page, only after you have already clicked the video, in which case you are going to evaluate it yourself. Like/dislike ratio was not an indicator if the video was factually correct, it was a popularity contest. Every video with \"free energy\" has massive like/dislike ratio. Every white house video that says \"get a vaccine\" is about 50/50. It meant nothing before but now it is sooo trendy to say \"it is the end of the free world\"..",
"The street already flowed one way, you just thought it went both ways. Dislikes always counted as engagement and only served to help the videos that you didn't like. Even negative comments help elevate a video but at least it's a discussion.\n\nDisliking the videos never hurt the echochambers, it only helped them. The ratios are easily written off as \"oh ho ho, this video really pissed off the right people. This youtuber must be on to something.\" Meanwhile you were only pushing the video's visibility up in the algorithm.\n\nYoutube (and really all social media) is bullshit and fosters the worst tendencies in communities. Their reasons are bullshit. But the elevation of dislikes to some sort of agency you had that was ripped away, is stupid. You never had agency. Your opinion on videos never meant anything other than it got a stronger reaction out of you which is all these platforms ever cared about.",
"Your comment has at the time -13 votes, which I think does a good job of telling me your comment is garbage, and after reading your comment I would agree that the downvotes are correct. Seems like a good method to me.",
">It is not visible in the front page, only after you have already clicked the video, in which case you are going to evaluate it yourself. \n\nThe difference between clicking on a video to see the dislikes and having to actually watch the whole thing or read a bunch of comments (which can be removed by the uploader!) to evaluate is enormous. Watching the whole thing also isn't going to help if, say, you are looking up a tutorial.\n\nYeah, it's a popularity contest. Seeing whether something is popular or not is a useful tool.\n\nUsing bad examples like vaccine videos does nothing to prove your point. They were useful on some videos, and made no difference for others. They were NEVER a detriment. Removing them only made the service worse.",
"Again, it is an indication of popularity not of facts. Seems to be that it is perfect example why it doesn't work.",
"When dislikes were an issue on Facebook... I left.\n\nAs an outsider who no longer subscribes or registers... Its these users who depend on the quality of context... Which dislikes or contrasts (even polarization) provide.\n\nI didnt give a crap about them BECAUSE I was part of that digital community.. I gave a crap because I WASN'T... So Now I know its just as bad as Reddit... The difference isnt all that much really.\n\n\nBut.. Go ahead... Keep putting words in my mouth about who I am so you have more room in your mouth for both your feet.... No leg to stand on.",
">Yeah, it's a popularity contest. Seeing whether something is popular or not is a useful tool.\n\nNo, it really isn't. Antivaxx videos also had like/dislike ration showing they are legitimate. It never was a good tool to see if the content is good or not, it just tells how many agreed with it, how many liked it.\n\n>Using bad examples like vaccine videos does nothing to prove your point. They were **useful on some** videos, and **made no difference** for others.\n\nSo.. they don't really indicate that if it is or isn't factual information? If the system worked it would not be \"one or the other\". And it is not \"no difference\", it is \"showing the OPPOSITE of truth\".",
"No.. Your right... I don't disagree with you\n\nThats why I'm not a part of the YouTube community as I've got the capability to operate my own streaming platform such that I'm not deplatformed..\n\nOf course there's no agency but when options are removed then context to quality is removed.\n\nWhat I'm saying is... Its both a good bad and expected thing as YouTube has grown as a service... \n\nAs YouTube grows.. We knew there was mediation issues for content and TOS agreements... And we've heard the horror stories of the \"mod teams\" for yt... (Facebook.. Same shit)... So the more \"streamlined\" they become... Then context to quality via dislikes/likes become a non-issue... \n\nWhat I mean is... When YouTube could have a valid or valuable channel as an active user for an active news source for some cause or platform... But without dislikes for content its able to claim its \"only for entertainment\" .... Double plus good bullshit...\n\nBut thats where the problem starts... Disseminating the diamonds from the dirt...",
"There were plenty of videos about vaccination that had positive ratios as well.\n\nYou're a moron. I said it was a USEFUL tool, not a PERFECT one. For vaccine videos, where the topic has been heavily politicized and there are multimillion dollar propaganda campaigns pushing misinfomation, the tool was less useful, but even still it could be considered a valuable indicator of public opinion on the topic. For watching memes, or tutorials, or reviews, they tended to be a better indicator of quality.",
">There were plenty of videos about vaccination that had positive ratios as well.\n\nBut doesn't this means it didn't work? That there were still a lot of videos that didn't follow this rule? \n\n\nIt was only a vote on \"do i like this video or not\". For whatever reason. It was not \"is this video useful? is it factual?\". Popularity is not an indication that something is good or bad.",
"Holy fuck. Yes it was. Popularity is not THE indicator, but it absofuckinglutely is AN indicator. Just because some popular things are bad, and some good things are unpopular, doesn't mean that information is completely useless.",
"AKA the greatest electricity based youtuber of all time",
"Remember when you would rate YT videos with stars instead of a simple up/down?\n\nAlso unless the app has some feature I don't know about, reddit doesn't show individual downvotes. It shows net, and for the top post not even a net below zero. Whether I think that's good or not, that pretty much suggests we've all accepted it.",
"DAO?",
"I think the edge cases are where the downvote count matters. \n\nFor general entertainment, I don't know what a ratio is \"supposed\" to be. So even if I bothered to divide likes by dislikes I still wouldn't know where the dividing line is. Nor would I necessarily trust the audience. Maybe it was divisive. Or a switch in usual content for the channel. Or brigaded by haters. The number of downvotes doesn't indicate much for me.\n\nIn those cases, especially if I have to click on the video to see the vote counts anyway, I might as well skim around a bit and form my own opinion before settling in.\n\nHowever, if I find something as the result of a subject search I'm presented with a number of equal options. Some are probably clickbait or just miss the mark. Downvotes could be an effective measure of that, especially if it has more down than up. Now I have to trust the algorithm to rank quality for me. And maybe it can, but I don't want to hand over that trust.",
"Youtube should have realized that people just want to give their opinion even if they're doing it in an effective way. And when they remove the downvote total, replace it with a \"Super Downvote\" button. It doesn't do anything different but people would assume it does and therefore be satisfied.",
"Speaking of which, did the return youtube dislikes extension stop working? I'm not seeing any",
"My anecdotal evidence agrees with you. Dozens of times i've tried to use youtube to find some specific information only to find the top results being click bait. So i waste time watching this click bait and think \"i should downvote this so nobody else wastes their time\" and guess what, it's like 50 likes and 2000 dislikes. The overwhelming dislikes didn't mean shit.\n\nSemi popular youtube accounts producing downvoted click bait trash were overwhelmingly higher ranked in the algorithm rather than the obscure videos which actually contained relevant information.",
"Decentralized autonomous organization. \n\nThe guy thinks that the open source community is going to replace YouTube. I mean even if individuals hosted nodes that stored video files like CDNs, consumers don't have 100s of TBs to store video let alone all the networking issues that would arise from household routers and networks. \n\nI love the concept but YouTube can't be replaced without serious money.",
">If there is no contraflow of discourse then there is zero discourse.\r This is how echo chambers are formed\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I didnt give a crap about them BECAUSE I was part of that digital community.. I gave a crap because I WASN'T... So Now I know its just as bad as Reddit... The difference isnt all that much really.\n\nI would argue that downvotes add to the echo chamber effect. /u/SquidCap0 offered a contrarian opinion. It was downvoted and reddit auto-hides it. Since people have to click to unhide, they already have presumptions about his comment before reading it. So the kinds of replies it gets are weighted toward people who want to read contrarian thoughts or want to tell dissenters how stupid they are for questioning the popular opinion.\n\nAnd then there's the issue that 10 up + 0 down > 15 up - 10 down. Reddit offers a \"Controversial\" sort to compensate for that, but I doubt it gets much use. Thus the basic count rewards simple, universal comments over thoughtful divisive ones. That's not necessarily bad, but it's definitely groupthink-enabling.\n\nWith endless information of course we need some ranking to make sense of it. But I'm not convinced that a simple negative reaction is more useful than the lack of a positive one.",
"Yup, the ratio didn't mean anything, the total amount of them together did. Comments weigh even more, so videos that are the worst BS gets the most angry comments and this pushed them higher and higher. The only thing that pulls them down is to not engage at all, closing the tab after 15 seconds of watching without clicking ANYTHING else. \n\n\nFacebook works largely the same way, it doesn't really matter what emoji you use, what matters is engagement. That is why i use Fluffbuster/FBPurity that hides FB content from me based on my filters. As far as FB knows i spend zero seconds watching certain content so it ends up pushing less of it to me.",
"If I remember correctly it still worked after the official 'removal' due to hooking into the backend that still existed. Google said they planned to remove access in the coming weeks, so I assume they finally got around to doing so.",
"Huh no. Youtube removes the dislikes not the creator. 😅",
"Aside from Reddit karma system speculation, I'm going to focus on your last sentence.... \n\nIf you're not sure if a simple negative reaction is more useful than a positive one, maybe [I'll leave this right here](https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc)",
"I knew what video that was before even clicking it. I recommend it all the time. And I've practically written a [dissertation](https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/r1bx46/comment/hlz5hef/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on the subject. \n\nOf course negativity is more engaging. What I'm saying is that I'm not sure it's beneficial for rankings to count it against positives. If anything reddit would benefit from adding the two because any reaction indicates an engaging post.",
"We're not discussing reddit though.... We're discussing the removal of likes from YouTube.\n\nIf there's no balance, or contrast.. Its all thought germs echochamber.\n\nBut someone capable of defending a dissertation would have known that ;)",
"I thought the discussion was \"Do downvotes reduce echochambers?\" And my answer is no. As Grey said, negative reactions drive people into them.",
"The title is likely a way to bring in new people.",
">I love the concept but YouTube can't be replaced without serious money.\n\nOr enough people in the world willing to run a node and spend bandwith.\n\nThere are already some half decent attempts at this.\n\nGive https://odysee.com/\n\nIt used the inter planitary file system for data storage and a monetization system that makes it so that only the videos that people watch will remain stored. If something is not watched enough eventually it will disappear.\n\nNow this approach does bring a number of challenges with it and it's not going to outperform youtube any time soon.\n\nHowever as the engineering behind it finds more efficiencies and people with an economic mind find out sharper incentive systems one day it will be possible to outcompete youtube. \n\nAfter all Bittorrent over DHT mainline has already allowed millions of people to video stream without a central organization paying for all the bandwidth.\n\nSo we KNOW it's technically possible. Try out popcorn time to see another fairly decent attempt at it.",
"Have you tried out https://odysee.com/ ?",
"weren't those bullshit content-farm videos thriving even when the Dislike count was still there?",
"Yeah it's weird, I never even noticed he had eyebrows before.",
"I can FEEL the pain in his soul..... \n \nWe love you Mehdi, especially us engineers!!"
] | 43 | videos | Eyebrowed electrical engineer demonstrates the folly of YouTube's removed dislike count. |
https://youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY | /r/videos/comments/roql1m/snowboarding_isnt_welcome_in_1985/ | [
"Haha wtf? Old people man! Lmao",
"when i was your age, we had to climb a mountain 20 miles both ways to find a decent run.",
"Old design single directional snowboards were goofy. And a bit hard to control. The later gen boards allowed for a significantly better control... But the rift from the early days never completely went away.",
"Lol! Looks like the \"smart alecs\" won in the end. Silly flanders ski patrol guy. Never gets his way.",
"Funny you see the exact same arguments coming from Skate park users from Skateboarders when anyone who's not a Skateboarder uses the park.\n\nPeople get territorial I suppose.",
"“Get off my lawn!”",
"Compare these people to present day people. How they talk and behave. How they talk about their \"opponent\". Things have changed",
"\"They have tunnel vision.\"\n\n\"Well do you see any compromise?\"\n\n\"No.\"",
"As someone who has done very little of both I always thought skiing was more dangerous and much more difficult on the knees too. Skiing can get to much higher speeds and crashes are worse since the legs aren't braced by anything and can go any direction",
"Stupid sexy Flanders",
"There are still a couple holdout ski resorts that don’t allow snowboarding, like Alta in Utah.",
"Poor guy was rattled cuz those dang kids keep lippin him off.",
"You get more twisty knee injuries in skiing and more wrist injuries in snowboarding.",
"I started boarding in the early 90s and there were places we couldn’t go. Luckily that’s mostly not an issue anymore, as you pointed out. \n\nIt seemed like boarding was going to eventually take over once the older generation quit skiing, but it looks like things have leveled out with lots of both, which I think is a good thing.",
"They are literally called \"Ski Hills\" and \"Ski Resorts\". Stairways and sidewalks weren't made for skateboards.\n\nYou can flip everything you said for the other side.\n\nPeople hate new things when they aren't in the age group of what the thing is being marketed for. That's it. Has nothing to do with what is made for where and when.\n\nPeople hate change.",
"Only time I've found snowboarders more dangerous than skiers is when snowboards rest in the middle of the mountain. Most are smart and go out of the way but there is always someone who is resting within the path.",
"Climb up mountain, go down other side, climb back up mountain, go down original side",
"Skiing has more knee injuries, snowboarding has more shoulder injuries, I’ve heard.\n\nI’ve been skiing for 50 years, since I was 5. It definitely taught me how to fall! I’d rather *not* have my legs connected by anything, so I can more easily position my legs to go in front of me to serve as a barrier to anything in front of me. I’ve never snowboarded, so hard to say which is safer. 6 of one, half dozen of the other, probably.\n\nI’ll say this, I think snowboarding came around at the perfect time to reinvigorate skiing. It certainly injected a well-needed sense of fashion…the disco ski outfits in the late 70s /early 80s were ridiculous. My friends and I would ski in two pairs of scotch-guarded jeans, and would take every opportunity to carve snow onto fallen disco skiers.\n\nIt was one of those cases where competition improved the status quo.",
"That was basically me getting kicked off the local hill because we had Burton boards, the OG ones from around the same time. This is something that at an early age made me wonder why do these made up beefs come from? Do skaters really hate BMXers, like really? It's like humans are programed to create classisms.",
"totally underrated comment. \n\nperceptions can be fundamentally different or change with age, so can be beliefs, skills etc \nthe difference today: level of prompt rage, willingness to go all-in and essentially \"kill your opponent\". capability to listen, reflect and discuss nearly zero, generally speaking. \n\n(excluding fanaticism, which may have always been ridiculous)",
"nothing but cringetopia in there.",
"Both snowboarders and skiers can go fast enough that if they crash it will mean death. Skiing is not more dangerous than snowboarding or vice versa",
"Ah yes, they don't teach you this in your American schools, the epidemic of lipping off in Canada in the 80s, Was quite the scandal indeed!",
"Reminds me of that Disney Channel movie from back in the day, Johnny Tsunami, where a Hawaiian kid moves to a town on the mainland that had a Skiing vs Snowboarding schism.",
"Did someone point their vidicon at the sun? 😬",
"TV cameras back then didn't use solid state CCD image sensors. They used vacuum tubes called \"vidicon tubes,\" and if you pointed them at an extremely bright light source, like the sun, it could actually \"burn in\" a spot on the tube and in some cases damage it permanently. One of the cameras they shot this segment on seems to have been damaged in this way, leaving those marks on the image. \n\nThere's a bit about it here and an example of it happening.\n https://videocircuits.blogspot.com/2010/06/vidicon-tube-sun-burn-in.html?m=1",
"Wish they could find the anti-snowboarders from this video and follow up with them today.",
"This guy did an amazing job showing how bias begins. He created an overly-broad straw man that was easy to hate, then tried to argue that they were (all) complete assholes while skiiers were doing nothing wrong and just trying to stay safe.",
"Take off, hoser!",
"no there was a lever/slider either in toaster software or on an editing board that did transitions, the lever didn't get moved all the way down, so a tiny bit of the center of the previous scene was still being displayed until they fixed it.",
"As a skater we hated bmxers in the park because it was flat out dangerous. A flying bike can do a whole lot more damage and is harder to avoid than a flying board. Not to mention it is much harder for anyone to properly bail off a bike to avoid running into someone.",
"Go big or go home",
"i thought there was something wrong with my screen",
"This is just another great example of the media amplifying something to make other people so concerned; when it just a learning curve of something different from the norm of that time.",
"That's the narrative you were tought. flip the perspective and you are the Ski person in this post and I'm the BMX guy. We are both in the Olympics. Can't we just get along?",
"Ski parks and the courses built on them were *absolutely* built for Skiiers. They were used by and cared for entirely by skiiers for their entire history up until that point- that's where the friction comes from.\n\nIt's no different to someone bringing a bike or scooter to a ski-park. Except that skiiers generally have less of a reputation for attacking children who do so.",
"Just the same as skiiers hate snowboarders because they're dangerous and can knock the kids over.",
"Don’t even get started with surfers and SUPs.",
"Maxwell Plank: A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.",
"\"They have no brakes.\" LMFAO",
"Nope. I don’t agreed with that.\n\nThis isn’t the media. At the time it took a lot of effort and time to get good at skiing. Years to master it. Ski resorts were just that, resorts to ski in, entire runs like giant egg cartons from skiing building up mogul fields. A private sport you could only access with training, skill, and of course money to be there. \n\nThen snowboards arrived. It took a few days to learn, and suddenly you had folk with no control running down slopes at speed on snowboards. They would often hit skiers from behind, as they had no idea how to turn. It was legitimately scary. \n\nFor a good 5 years, until snowboarding got better boards and better training, skiers hated snowboarders. That wasn’t the media, it was just people annoyed at a new group taking over the resorts. People are territorial. \n\nIt’s fine now. Skis are easier to learn on, snowboards are easier to control. Runs are designed for both. But it wasn’t always like that.",
"You're trying to draw a completely arbitrary and meaningless difference.\n\nPeople built skii parks on mountains, they prepare the courses, they build/maintain ski lifts, all that stuff. They did that for decades before snowboarding and they had friction with snowboarders when snowboarders came in.\n\nPeople built skate parks in cities/suburbs. They were used for skating for years before scooters, bikes and skates became increasingly common at them, and they had friction with all of those at that point.\n\nThe only difference is that Skateboarders have a reputation for attacking children.",
"That's not entirely correct. Skateboarders, rollerbladers, BMXers, and scooter people use the parks. The problem is with a lot of unattended very young kids who are running mindlessly in front of people who are going down the ramps and running into landing areas. This presents a hazard both for the young kid and for the person who's on the skateboard. The skate park near where I live is so full of very young kids on scooters that it's almost unskateable. Kids are running in front of people and causing accidents constantly.",
"The people who owned the local skate park near us banned BMXers because they did too much damage to the indoor ramps.",
"There’s a pretty strong actual difference between a bike and a skateboard which is not the same as skis vs snowboards",
"Sweet Burton",
"Not really, they're both a paradigm shift against the original and historic use of the space.",
"Kids are a problem everywhere, kids on skateboards, kids on skiis and kids on snowboards are both a hazard, that's the same on anything.\n\nThe analogy here is that skateboarders bitch like crazy anytime someone brings anything but a skateboard to a skate park (and occasionally attack those people, often kids), which is exactly the same as the people in this video.",
"I mean a bike is a lot bigger than a skateboard, skis are much closer to the same size and weight as a snowboard. An out of control skier is comparable to an out of control boarder. I do not believe that is accurate for a BMXer and a skateboarder. \n\nIf we were arguing about rollerskaters and skateboarders maybe",
"There was a video of a guy taking a dirt bike motorcycle to a skate park on Reddit the other day. People at the park weren’t open to that idea at all lol. And for good reason.",
"Damned straight! Bloody snowboarders!",
"<Russian Accent>\n\nSnowboard is Capitalist Decadence.\n\n</Russian Accent>",
"I bet a lot of the snowboarders at the time were assholes as the operator had basically forbidden snowboards. It is a bit strange to me to book a trip to somewhere and just 'ah well, I'll just bring my board anyway'.",
"The analogy doesn't reflect the reality that skateboarders aren't complaining about people not riding skateboards. Everyone collectively complains about overcrowded skateparks full of kids who don't watch where they're going.",
"Ski hills spend considerable time every night grooming the runs, and they didn't add snowboard to the resort name until long after people started bringing snowboards to there.",
"Society progresses one funeral at a time.",
"Yep.",
"Is it weird to book a trip somewhere, find that someone arbitrarily isn’t letting you do it but then doing it anyway because other people are doing similar things and you paid to come do it?",
"My first thought, too.",
"I’m old enough to remember being harassed by skiers even after ski areas slowed us on the hills.",
"How could they ban them? It's not their slopes. The only thing they own are the lifts.",
"That guy could have been a character in King of the Hill.",
"I thought this was just the scene from Hot Tub Time Machine, either the writers remembered this clip or they lived through these pompous and stuck up skiers",
"Humans are pretty much biologically programmed to be group animals ever since we existed as a species.",
"I feel as if this guy was the inspiration behind officer dangle on Reno 911 lmaooo",
"It seems like snow boarding would be a mire natural way to go dowm a hill. Ive long boarded for years and if i was on skates i wouldnt even enjoy the down hill rides, completely different experience.",
"\"Old man yells at cloud\"",
"It's always fun to watch gate keepers try to explain why one thing is bad for the hobby/sport.",
"I just assume most of them knew the rules, didn't agree with them, and went anyway. I probably would have when I was a teenager.",
"I didn't know there was BMX hate from skaters, I only hate on scooters I always feel like skaters and BMXers are united against scooters.",
"Imagine coming all the way to fucking Aspen from the other side of the country and being told that you're an asshole piece of shit trying to break people's legs because you're gliding down a snow covered hill with a different mechanism than they are. I really hate people who've done this in the past. To rollerblades, skateboards, snowboarders, BMX bikes, you'll find a news video like this for each one. Can't we all just be good people?",
"No the group of skaters i hung with hated bmx cause they chunked the shit out of ledges when they would grind them. Making it impossible for us to geind them.",
"It's like...snow surfing...",
"A mound? Like a mogul? Like a skiing mogul… for skiing? Because snowboards don’t make those…",
"Back in my days it was surfers and body boarders. They usually called them speedbumps.",
"You’re forgetting that 1985 nobody had cell phones or the internet to get that information. Sure you could make a phone call, but information wasn’t instantaneous back then",
"Skaters hate everyone, even other skaters if they're on the wrong type of board as I found out when looking around in r/skateboarding. \n\nI dont get what it is either though, stfu and do what you enjoy, I say. I can appreciate anothers skill if they're good at what they do and I who the fuck am I to shit on anothers hobby if they enjoy what they do? The sports aren't all that different after all.",
"The whitest of white people problems",
"This looks a lot like Seymour Mountain in Vancouver, crazy to see it back in the mid 80s!",
"Surfers and SUPs are natural enemies! Like surfers and body boarders! Or snorklers and surfers! Or windsurfers and surfers! Or surfers and other surfers! Damn surfers! They ruined surfing!",
"Stupid old people.",
"The problem isn't what's on your feet it's if you can control it or not. I'm a snowboarder myself (and former skier) and I'd be pissed to see that fool crashing into a group. \n\nWe have the same problem in my neck of the woods whenever tourists come and fly down black slopes with no idea of how to turn or brake. Stick with beginner hills until you can control your shit.",
"It was probably one of them snowboarders, who did that. You never know what they're up to",
"And no brakes!",
"I'm sorry, but who the hell is \"Maxwell Plank\"??\n\nedit: if you were talking about *Max Planck*, he was German, not some 19th century railroad magnate",
"\"People in skis think they can overcome the world\". \n\"Let them try. If there is a too high mortality rate, pull them off\"",
"Early snowboarders were often douchebags. No control, especially approaching lift lines, and usually assumed a “sorry, dude” was enough when they plowed into your ankles or legs. Also had a tendency to find a jump on the side of a run, so they would camp in the middle of the run waiting for their turn.\n\nIt felt like the early boarders were skaters that had migrated to the slopes. Boarding didn’t seem to start to peacefully co-exist until it’s ranks began to fill with skiers who had converted to boarding.",
"What is it about ebikes that ruins trails?\n\nOr makes them dangerous?",
"For context, the Mountain in this video is 30 mins north of Vancouver and not a 'resort'. People go up on weekends or after work. No trip booking involved.",
"Half pipes, rails, and tabletops are definitely naturally occurring. No human intervention there.",
"Snowboarding causes more injuries, Skiing causes more deaths. The different boils down to how you fall on each. Snowboarding falls tend to slam you into the ground, falls on skis keep more forward momentum into trees and other hazards.",
"I have a niggling injury from being hit in the hip by a skier. Shit happens.",
"I honestly didn't notice that until I read your comment, had to go back and do a double take, don't know how I missed that",
"And they're drunk.",
"So, me and the boys were hanging oot by the slopes the other daaay.",
"It's called a ski slope, not a snowboard slope. Get off my lawn!!!",
"Google broken?",
"It wouldn't surprise me. Some of the have had a bit to drink don't you know?",
"It was gut slappers first.",
"I only picked skiing cause my knees were already a bit shit. I probably would’ve started on that otherwise",
"I mean, the only dude I can imagine they could be referring to is called *Max Planck* and since he was born in the Holy German Empire, there's a high chance his name wasn't short for \"Maxwell\", even without looking at google, but I'm curious as to who you think they were talking about.",
"in a meaningful way? not really.\n\nthey still want snow boarders off with zero compromise",
"it's surfers and hydrofoils now",
"I find the skiing harder on the knees tbh. Snowboarding boots have some flexibility at the ankles, so they take a lot of the strain",
"I'm more interested in what exactly you think the \"Holy German Empire\" is.",
"I think calling to get the rules before booking a cross country trip is basic planning. Even before the internet, you couldn’t just run around doing whatever you want.",
"I once snowboarded down Alta by crossing over from snowbird. I even removed my mitten so I could gesture towards a couple flustered skiers.",
"They're not entirely wrong. There's a lot of annoying things about snowboards.\n\nThe board takes up a lot of space which can be troublesome on lifts. Usually they unstrap one foot for riding the lift which means when they get to the top they have to plop down somewhere to strap that foot back in. This creates obstructions at the top of lifts. They also tend to fall over more often than skiers which can be a bit dangerous for people who have to avoid them. I've tried both and snowboarding is just a lot harder.\n\nThat said, these things are mostly just minor inconveniences. I wouldn't want to ban them.",
"I mean every ski resort I’ve been to has a bar on top of the mountain so you can get nice and plastered before you go 40MPH on a piece/pieces of wood down a 60 degree incline covered in ice and hidden fallen trees. \n\nPeople only die sometimes",
"No. No we can't.",
"I hope one of his grandkids plays that clip for him over and over and say “boy gramps you where way off”",
"I have no clue. I would just google it.",
"sorry, I mean the Holy Roman Empire — which honestly when Planck was born was pretty much Germany, but my mistake nonetheless",
"Smart alecs.",
"It makes sense if you look at those bindings though, looks like you can just pull your foot right out which would make braking a lot more difficult.",
"Chirping",
"He invented planking. But nobody wanted to do it until 2010.",
"The Holy Roman Empire was dissolved in 1806. Max Planck was born in 1858 in the Duchy of Holstein.",
"glad wikipedia's working on Boxing Day",
"Or a burnt ccd from getting a direct view from the sun. The selenium layers were sensitive to this.",
"I see less and less of them each year on the slopes here in the alps.",
"I meant to say I only picked snowboarding. Had too many beers",
"I've done both and skiing seems much safer to me. Snowboards are significantly harder to control. Every turn is a delicate balancing act and it's harder to control your speed. You also can't turn your head as much so it's harder to be aware of your surroundings.\n\nSkiing can get to higher speeds, but it's much more stable and easier to control. A crash at those speeds would be worse, but you're much less likely to crash at all. That's why people feel comfortable enough to go faster. The only real concern I can think of is if a slope suddenly transitioned from smooth to moguls and you didn't see it coming. You overlooked a sign or you couldn't see it because it was just over a ridge or something. That happened to me a few times as a kid, and I wiped out pretty bad. No injuries though.\n\nAnd I should think that braced legs are worse than unbraced. Because things that can't bend break. I want my legs disconnected so they can go wherever they need to without breaking.",
"\"They don't have brakes, they're like missiles, they can't see behind them\"\n\nDude.",
"I thought you had freedom in America ?",
"Looks like a defective tube Camera. They were still common at that time and if you held them in direct sunlight, the camera tube took permanent damage.",
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity…",
"Garsh darn e-bikers!",
"I always remember to change the brakes on my ski's every 3000 miles, and keep that rear view mirror clear of powder too.",
"Well shit. Back to genociding it is.",
"As a boarder who can also ski, I love re-watching this video every time it gets posted xD",
"But fuck scooters they are ruining skateparks",
"Freedom to be told what to do.",
"Git gud",
"You could splice in clips of any minority group with the audio of this and it would probably be right on for a certain era in time. People dont like change. They'll say theyre accepting of others until in lands in their backyard.",
"Can't find them, they're going too fast snowboarding",
"Yeah and your mudders poutine tastes like a boiled arse. Lucky you've got a face to match.",
"skiiers or snowboarders?",
"Snowboarders",
"I see a decline in the number of snowboarders.",
"[Robot house!](https://youtu.be/lbEfV05tJz8?t=4)",
"all the holdouts died.",
"You could join us! Skiing/snowboarding is awesome!\n\nI grew up skiing in the mid 90s and there were pretty much no poc. Brought my daughter for her first lesson and there are I would say a proportional % of POC at the more basic resorts and there are also ski clubs now from all kinds of communities you wouldn't expect that bus groups to the mountain on weekends. It's changing and very cool.",
"Carving skis made skiing popular again.",
"You can’t even legally sell raw milk to someone in a slightly different part of America",
"I still remember them becoming a thing in Europe. They did tend to show boat a lot, but so do a lot of skiërs, so who cares?",
"That might be. However, I have had several nasty crashes and a slew of near misses involving me, all from snowboarders. In each case, they were going too fast for the conditions and did not have their visibility under control.\n\nAlso, the absolutely \\*worst\\* injury I ever witnessed was to a snowboarder, right at the hotel. I didn't see exactly what happened, but I heard him coming in a bit too fast and then the tell-tale \\*scriiiitch\\* of a snowboarder trying to stop fast, and then the worst scream I have ever heard. I will not describe the injury, because I honestly do not want to see it in my head anymore. His good luck was being right at the hotel, so we were able to treat his shock and quickly get him help.\n\nTo keep things balanced, I have seen that most snowboarders are responsible and are courteous. Even the ones who plowed into me were extremely apologetic, and since I didn't have any serious injuries, I just shook it off. Plus I have seen a few near misses from skiers that didn't involve me (but clearly involved alcohol), so it's not a one-way street here.",
"Nuff said",
"I want an interview with this guy today.",
"You should see what they say about people opposed to medical mandates today.",
"Skis do have breaks. They don't do much but when the boot releases they engage. No break pads needed :)",
"Yep. My worst fall would have been \\*much\\* worse if I had not been able to lose the skis. Best guess is that a tip got caught on something directly under the snow just as I was trying to start a turn. I got thwapped into the snow, with what was certainly a comical look of surprise. Being flexible kept my leg in one piece.",
"You'll see it all the time on multi-use trails. Mountain bikers hate runners, runners hate mountain bikers, and they all hate dirt bikers. In reality, there needs to be compromise. Runners shouldn't wear headphones on multi use trails, mountain bikers shouldn't bomb down blind runs, and dirt bikers should fuck off.",
"This is a legitimate concern with snowboards, whereas skis *do* have brakes. When a foot isn't inserted into the bindings, two prongs (called brakes) stick out of the bottom into the snow making it very difficult for it to slide down the slope. Snowboards have no such thing and I've almost been hit by an errant snowboard shooting down the mountain. Very rare though, as it needs a double ejection.",
"Or surfers and surfers from half a mile away.",
"And the boom of alpine touring in the recent years. It is generally more difficult to do that with snowboards.",
"It's straight out of an old-timey movie, or The Music Man.\n\n\"We don't want a pool hall in this town! First the kids start playing pool, then they're wearing leather jackets, then they're worshiping Satan!\"",
"Then they figured out how much money they were losing by not simply selling lift tickets to the snowboarders.",
"seriously i was going crazy thinking it was my screen more than once.",
"Yea thats insanely rare. I've eaten some serious shit on a snow board and that fucker ain't going anywhere. Where as I have been hit by skis because of a yard sale",
"You surfers sure are a contentious people.",
"snowboarding back then was primitive, boarders didn't have the technique, the boards, and the technology that we have now. so you can imagine this video wasn't particularly unfair - i mean look at the first guy surfing downhill on that barndoor of a board with what modern boarders would consider absolutely no control whatsoever. a guy like that we'd strongly recommend sticking to the bunny slopes today, but he wouldn't have known that back then.\n\nit took a lot of effort from the nascent snowboarding community to push for more acceptance, and more acceptance means more people trying different techniques, practicing, building up a shared pool of knowledge. more good snowboarders meant more teachers, more teachers meant more participants, more participants meant more money, more money meant better boards and better tech and so we have this big scene where snowboarding is now part of the winter olympics.\n\nand by nascent snowboarding community it was really jake burton and his company who pushed very very hard to make snowboarding commercial because commercialization meant all of the good things above and even if people like to complain commercialization goes against the spirit of snowboarding (whatever that means), we still all owe it to that early group of people that we have such a wide choice of indy board makers to choose from today - that we'd go from being banned from resorts almost everywhere in the 70s to seeing the local ski shop stocking an equal choice of skis and snowboards today.",
"Urchin’s motto man",
"It does look kinda awkward on a snowbord, indeed.",
"Metal trucks vs plastic pegs tho? Never understood this logic.",
"After they flipped you off.",
"> Johnny Tsunami\n\nI'm pretty sure that movie was the inspiration behind the Asspen episode of South Park. Which is where the \"You're Gonna Have a Bad Time\" meme is from.",
"I've toured with splitboard riders before. It's not impossible. \nYou have to plan for a longer transition time at the top until they are ready for descent and you want to avoid long and flat slopes on the descent as they can't simply push with poles in \"board mode\".",
"Burton Safari, going WAY back.",
"Is this where Disney got the idea for Johnny Tsunami ?",
"Even if you could take your foot out, most snowboards have a leash to prevent it from running away.",
"I'd be totally fine if the resorts had a couple \"SKI ONLY\" runs.",
"\"They're not allowed on ski-lifts, so are forced to climb to the top of the mountain, then find secluded runs to snowboard.\"\n\n\"When we find them, they're not cooperative at all.\"\n\nGee, I wonder why...",
"Crazy to think in the US there are still snowboard free mountains.",
"You’ve just made an enemy for life!",
"Thanks for this level-headed reply, hadn't thought about that angle",
"> Burton Safari\n\nWe had the swallow tails. 86ish",
"Yeah. ACL tear is like the classic skiiers injury, caused by twisting your knee in the wrong direction.",
"It's almost 40 years ago now, and some of them might already be pushing 40+ in this video.",
"Skiis are designed to come off though, the whole idea is a quick eject mechanism to protect your legs/knees. \n\nYour snowboard is strapped to your foot. You'd have to have a really bad injury for it to come off. Like legs falling off bad. Unless it starts sliding away before you even get it on there's no way it's being torn off both feet.",
"r/fuckimold I have done this myself as a student in the 80s. I was cracking up during this report. The dude obviously set the camera down pointed at the sun in the middle of his day of shooting. That tube will need to be replaced.",
"they have breaks you daft nimwit",
"You youngsters may not know that before CCDs, cameras had tubes. This one is toast. Someone set it down pointed at the sun.",
"Are you comparing snowboarding to anti vaxxers???",
"Back in my day we called them \"mountains\", because you mounted them. Those were the days. We walked up them both ways in the snow just to get to the coliseum.",
"That's why split boards have gotten so popular.",
"Eh. I'm in my 30s and that seemed true back in the 00s. \n\nNow it kinda seems like scooters are becoming more mainstream/accepted. Admittedly I'm not hanging out at the skatepark these days. So I don't really know. But guys like [Ryan Williams](https://youtu.be/rs3cI6fJo6k) being both a pro bmxer and a pro scooterer... Seems there's evidence for it beyond my perception.\n\nThey're in the x games, have sponsored pros, etc. They're not nearly the black sheep they were 25 years ago. \n\nIf you ask me, rollerblades have had more consistently been hated on over the last 25 years than scooters. And I'd say they're less hated on than they were 25 years ago, too.",
"They are great. There are still people like my colleague who switched to skiing to tour for some reason. \n\nI personally would also buy a splitboard if I was a snowboarder",
"The thing I don’t like about snowboards, which mostly true with inexperienced boarders, is they constantly ride sideways on their heels to slow down and this pushes all the snow down the hill and creates huge ice patches…",
"Why. There is no actual reason for this. \n\nOnly reason you might have is that inexperienced snowboarders will push all the powder down the hill by heeling or toeing all the way. \n\nBut skiers tear up the mountain arguably worse, creating massive moguls on every ungroomed run. \n\nDon't get me wrong, I love some moguls. But to act like skiing is somehow needed to be separated is just insane to me.",
"True, but you would have less control/braking ability with those old boards compared to boards with modern bindings.",
"Uh, no they absolutely do not. How long has it been since you snowboarded?",
"I haven’t been called a youngster in over 40 years.\nIn the 80’s I was a tv/video tech, also fixed many a camera.\nBut yeah, ccd was around in these times but this would have been a tube camera for professional use. Which is what I meant, hence, selenium.",
"In deer valley it's 1985 still.",
"I remember these times. \nNow it's no ebikes on bike trails.\nSame stupid reasons.",
"Just because they might want them. I'm not saying it makes logical sense, but if a good number of skiers want their own run, I say let them have a couple.",
"Deer Valley too",
"lol I think 1985 was a bit early for Video Toaster",
"Which is a good thing. Deer Valley is a treasure because it’s ski-only.",
"I don’t know, I think there will always be a balance. I snowboarded from age 12 into my mid-20s. I loved carving the slopes and hitting the park. And I’d have some real gnarly wipeouts. \n\nNow, in my 30s, I have a deep desire to be back out there, but I have a pretty bad back and am nervous about being back on the board. I want something a bit more leisurely, and skiing may scratch that itch for me. Now I know boarding can be leisurely too and it’s possible to have wipeouts just as bad or worse on skis, but frankly skiing seems like it has a lower base excitement level, and that’s kind of what I want lol.",
"It’s a tube camera with burn-in. \n\nCommon condition on bright days and shooting in snowy, highly-reflective conditions.\n\nEDIT: Stupid autocorrect",
"Dude I just googled to see if that phrase was made popular by Johnny Tsunami or Rocket Power. \n\nThey came out within a month of each other. Johnny Tsunami was first. Kinda wild.",
"This comment wreaks of someone who started out skiing and then tried out snowboarding a few times.",
"2020\n\nA guy in the video from the 80s literally has a leash on lol.",
"Deer valley in Utah too",
"It cant be any worse than bikes. The amount of damage they can cause to the concrete is incredible.",
"As someone born in 1985, I resent this comment",
"The same could be said for skis.",
"Politics in the USA has entered the chat.",
"I was threatened by a grown man (skier) in the 80’s at a ski resort because I was on a snowboard.\n\nHe said “if you come near me with that I’m going to kick your ass.”\n\nI was around 12 or 13 years old and small for my age. I just started laughing and asked him if he was seriously going to beat up a little kid so that others could hear me. He got really embarrassed and ended his bullshit pretty fast, but it was pretty messed up. \n\nThe amount of things I would hear skiers saying about the emerging sport of snowboarding was alarming.\n\nThen a few years later, we helped save the entire industry from collapse. You don’t hear those assholes say anything now.",
"*brakes",
"Open your eyes bud. Average skiers tear up the mountain 10x worse than an average snowboarder.\n\nGo check out something harder than the blue run at your resort that should probably be a green. You'll see what your skiing brothers do to every ungroomed run.",
"I've seen more then 1 snowboard torpedo, I'm not saying it's a major problem worth banning snowboards, but it happens.",
"And now fat skis have made another step change. Skiing is so much fun and easy again. My stiff carvers we’re so much work and now these light, fast, wide planks are so stable and easy to turn.",
"I see your noble intention of crediting the person quoted, which many people don’t do, but the person in question is named: Max Planck",
"Just to be a contrarian; maybe the early years of snowboarding was a pain in the ass that skiers weren't used to having? Maybe someone who has been snowboarding since '85 could chime in on how things have changed. The only thing I remember was novice snowboarders having more trouble on lifts and being a bit clumsy compared to novice skiers... and on these hills in '85 they were all noobs.",
"SUPs deserve the hate, typically. Grandpas out there with no regard for the lineup etiquette",
"\"Skateboard...err ski boards, or whatever they call them....\" Snowboards, they are called snowboards.",
"Someone needs to work on their people skills.\n\nAlso, the word is \"brakes\", not \"breaks\".",
"Yeah, from the 80s. People today do not use leashes, which your comment implied. Maybe you just forgot how to use the past tense.\n\nCute downvote btw bud",
"Btc",
"I learned „wedeln“ back in the day. It took so much practice. It's really amazing how snowboards improved skiing by sharing concepts.",
"As somebody also, I resented saying it.",
"Spend a lot of time on the slopes between posting on r/overwatch and r/deadside?",
"great example of a total BS argument. \n\n\"the go between the skiers\" so do other skiers.\n\n\"If they hit someone, they'll break their leg\" as would a skier.",
"People forget that any \"recklessness\" was frowned upon back then. Even skiers were discouraged from \"hotdogging\" in the '80s, probably due to litigation concerns. Even the smallest jump with a daffy or a twister could land you in hot water with the patrol. Boarders helped change the entire culture on the ski hill. Now you can pretty much do crazy x-games stuff whenever you want without getting your pass yanked.",
"Stupid sexy Flanders.",
"As somebody born, I resent it.",
"Can we please make a movie 🙏",
"I was 18 or so in 86. I skied growing up. \n\nIts true. It was a concern that snowboards didnt have brakes and a lot didnt use the straps. Skis really do have brakes on the bindings. a runaway board was not super uncommon. It happened wth skis sometimes also but when it did it was an equpiment failure not that the equipment wasnt there to start with. Bindng straps like that one kid had were kind of new for snowboards then and truth is not many used them. \n\nski ballet was somewhaat popular around then also. same as many ski resorts didnt allow snowboarders they would run off ski ballet folks for some of the same reasons boarders were not wanted around. One of them is they get in thee way of the normal skiers. they do unpredictable things a regular skier wouldnt do. Lotss of collisions when you mix up three dff things all trying to use the sme ski hill. \n\nIts like mixng nascar style cars and ther racing wth drifters and then add some slow slammeed low riders in and put them all on the track at one time and watch the wrecks happen.",
"As a lifelong skier stop it.",
"Lmao get over yourself.",
"Yeah. The break in my dad's ankle",
"You're not wrong. \n\nI stopped skiing because of this. I got sick of them stopping in the middle of the trails and sitting down where they stopped.\n\nThey also used to destroy the snow and created mounds everywhere.\n\nDont get me wrong, I always wanted to try it but never did. Maybe its not like that anymore but I dont know.",
"No one gonna talk about how Kyle Rittenhouse was a snowboarder in this?",
"So I'm not the only one that noticed it! I thought maybe it's because snowboarder prefer other mountains compared to the one where I go.",
"The old guy is such a dumbass. What he is describing also applies to skiing. No brakes, if you hit a person you can break their legs. Nice.",
"I lived out in Vail at that time. It was also the early days of the AIDS epidemic. I'm not saying that snowboarding causes AIDS...",
"Anyone can do it.. just because it doesnt interest you dont make it a racial thing.",
"*reeks",
">i mean look at the first guy surfing downhill on that board with what modern boarders would consider absolutely no control whatsoever. \n\nSo, same thing that happens when an unexperienced skier drives down the slope.",
"..is what you need to tell yourself",
"Tell me you don't ski without telling me you don't ski",
"Highly doubt anyone so against it would be riding one today. Especially cause they're like 80.",
"It wsnt so much that they hated snowboarding or the idea or even the kids unleess they were mouthy nd as they were mostly teens they were often mouthy. it was more of the pain of having boards sharing a skope with skiers. They go at thngs on the slope very diff. boarders makee moves skiers dont see coming and you can end up with lots of collisions. I was 18 about then. I skied not boarded. I didnt hate boarders. I just didnt like shaaring slopes with them doing thier thing whie i wanteed to ski. In 1986 many skiers had never seen a boarder. Many boarders were of course just learning and were a mess on the slopes and out n slopes theey had no bussiness being on. they shoould have been back at the bunny hill but they cant be becaue skii patrol and ski lesson instructors would run them off.",
"I was skiing in the 80's and remember the disdain that skiers had for snowboarders. Skiing was more of an elite sport back then. By that, I mean that it was a sport mostly reserved for the privileged and wealthy. Snowboarders were seen as little more than skateboards on snow. Snowboarding was thought to be bringing the wrong element to the slopes. It was like a goth kid showing up at the country club. \n\nLike everything else, there are good and bad people on the slopes. It doesn't really matter if they use boards or skies. I'm glad that snowboarding has found equal footing in alpine sports. \n\nFor all you whippersnappers, you have no idea how good you have it! They used to strap skies to your ankles, so they would whack you in the head when you wiped out. The bindings were terrible! They clamped onto the sides of your boots instead of toe/heel. Skies would just fall off... then whack you in the head.",
"Are you talking about go big or go home? Cause neither invented that.",
"Oh how dare I prefer to ski at a ski-only resort! I’m not out here claiming snowboarding should be banned from other resorts. So once again, get over yourself.",
"End of the 80’s to the early 90’s was a real war between skiers and snowboarders. Every friday night we had fight with the skiers. \n\n They even built a slope with a chairlift exclusively to keep us there. We didnt have access to most of the mountain but we had to pay full price. I remember once when the ski club decided to get some training in this trail. Man the gates when flying in the wood. \n\nGood old time \n\nIt was better when you hated us.",
"This tv ad comes to mind.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugq45gdxqAs",
"“They don’t see our point they only see their own point” \n\nSays the narrow minded dude who thinks people will get hurt on snowboards is dangerous. While studies have now shown that statistically skiing has a fatality rate three times as high.",
"Would you say the same if snowboarders wanted their own? Slope segregation?",
"You say, like tunnel vision?",
"The thing I don’t like about skiers is they can’t seem to go in a straight line and instead constantly carve deeper and deeper tracks into the hill, creating annoying moguls. But, ya know, I don’t try to act like I have an entitlement to the mountain, so I just kinda deal with it. :)",
"> The analogy doesn't reflect the reality that skateboarders aren't complaining about people not riding skateboards. \n\nYes they are. There was a pretty popular video on the front page just a few days ago bemoaning the people ruining skate-parks... which were people on skates, people on bikes, people on scooters, etc etc.",
"If by \"defective\" you mean \"destroyed by being pointed at the sun for too long\" then yes.",
"Checking the gate. “Ah crap, let’s re-shoot everything, there is a big bigger on the lens”",
"Well, they have the terrain parks. I know skiers go down it too, but for the most part they're all doing the same basic thing and beginners are \"encouraged\" no to enter. But yea, why not? What's good for one group has to be good for another.",
"Right, it not hard to control if you know what you're doing",
"Well isn't that something.",
"Yea, I hear ya. I’m not a huge fan of moguls either, I just wanna have a chill cruise down the hill. Not a hater of snowboarding, most my friends snowboarders now a days.",
"I remember growing up our local mountain had snowboard designated trails where snowboarders had to go. Of course no one actually followed the guideline.",
"Nice. Reinforce that stereotype.",
"Made popular != Invented.\n\nE.G., the high five was [made popular by professional baseball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_high_five_is_a%2Cpalm_of_the_other_person.?wprov=sfla1). They absolutely did not invent it.\n\nEdit:\n\nThe phrases [origins](https://grammarist.com/idiom/go-big-or-go-home/#:~:text=The%20phrase%20is%20said%20to,some%20oversized%20Harley%20Davidson%20pipes.) are in the 90s",
"I was born in 84. I'm not pushing anything with this back.",
"This is a local tv segment. Local tv sounds exactly the same as this now",
"“Can’t fight the youth \nCause we’re strong\nAnd we’re rude rude people”.",
"I love love love that movie. Blaine and Chas: What is that one plank thing that guy's got? \n\nI don't care, it's going up his ass!",
"I wonder what the upper age is today of people boarding? I'm not a major skier, but I've gone to Colorado a couple of times with college friends who only board and hit the slopes often. They are 57 and 58. I'm the same age and have only used skis.",
"Thanks for that! As both a skier and a snowboarder, I like my slopes extra slippery.",
"The reason Alta doesn’t allow snowboarders is that they take off their boots and walk through the traverses which ruins them and reduces access to places like Catherine’s Area. Look at a map of Alta. See all the runs with no obvious chairlift access? If snowboarders are allowed you can’t ski those areas because the traverses that access them get booted out.",
"You're not wrong, but neither am I.\n\nSkis are just more stable. In a fundamental way that is independent of skill. The same way a car is more stable than a motorcycle. And there are things you can do with them that boards simply can't. Like even the worst skier can control their speed by just going pizza straight down the hill. As new skiers often do.",
"Ski ballet???",
"Lmao cute bud. I get out there 15+ times a year. As much as I can get away from work. \n\nIts quite clear you never go though, go find more than 2 people on the entire mountain that use a leash and report back. Good luck",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11JTLQDTJaQ",
"I mean, Bikes really fucked up our local park just by being so heavy and slamming into shit. All the rails and ramps ended up unusable. \n\nSO yeah fuck BMX kids! I'll go back to 2204 and fight you!",
"I would love to see this get made into a Footloose movie where the derned snowberders are just causing too much trouble, ya know? Maybe make the snowboarders like the Super Trooper guys or maybe Delta house vs Omegas.",
"My dad is 64 and still gets about 30-40 days in every winter, and I'm pretty sure there's older folks in his social circle for it.",
"The phrase was used back in the 40s. If you think it took 50 years before it caught on you're crazy. And in a children's show lmaooo. Guess that's just as crazy as thinking baseball players in the 80s were the first to slap someone else's hand though.",
"Ppl are the worst",
"Stop",
"Right. But then as you approach the intermediate to advanced level, snowboarding becomes much easier to control. Its a whole hell of a lot easier to flip a board 180 than it is skis. So on steep terrain, skis are much harder to handle unless you are comfortable sending it straight down.\n\nThats why I said it seems like you never actually gave snowboarding a fair shot. Its quite the common critique that snowboards have less control, but I really only think that's true at low levels, and in certain specific situations.",
"Asspen is more of a general rip on all ski movies from back in the day. The 80’s had some fucking ridiculous ones",
"Skiers create \"mounds everywhere.\" Not snowboarders.",
"Are we talking Out Cold or Johnny Tsunami?",
"You are forgetting, though, that there is only so much mountain. Start segregating the runs and you will quickly end up with only a handful of mediocre runs to chose from - especially at the smaller resorts. There's definitely some resorts that have the space to do it, but even medium sized mountains would start feeling pretty small if you did this.",
"Considering Intrawest has their instructiors, lifties, ski patrol, and customer service, all tell you that leashes are mandatory. \n\nI guess I won't mention that Intrawest's individual resort websites that also state the same information.",
"People are allowed to snowboard at Alta. They just can’t ride the lifts :( Most people cheer for boarders when we see them :)",
"Snow.",
"Alta ski resort in Utah still bans snowboarders:\n\nhttps://unofficialnetworks.com/2019/12/04/what-happens-when-you-try-to-snowboard-alta/",
"Okay cool, one resort I've never even heard of requires it for some unheard of reason. Great data point. Fair enough.\n\n I've never heard of a single tahoe or Utah resort even thinking about requiring them, and certainly no one uses them.\n\nEdit: most information on intrawest I can find online says intrawest was bought out in 2017? Real up to date info bud",
"The irony here is palpable.",
"plastic pegs? idunno if things have changed but when i was paying attention they were made of metal too.",
"Skiing was a big time fad at that time. There were ski shops in my town and there are no mountains within 300 miles just some artificial ski slopes about.. 50 miles away.",
"Hm, Johnny Tsunami has the skiiers vs snowboarders vibe but it’s a kid movie and kinda serious. Out Cold has the goofball vibe but it’s not skiiers vs snowboarders. But if the two had a child like Johnny Too Coldy then yes.",
"> Okay cool, one resort I've never even heard of requires it for some unheard of reason\n\n\nApparently it's Alterra Mountain Company now. \n\n\nIntrawest - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Intrawest\nThe company is the largest developer and operator of resort properties in North America offering skiing, snowboarding, golf, mountain biking, lodging...\n\nBig Bear Mountain\n\nBlue Mountain\n\nCrystal Mountain Resort\nDeer Valley\n\nJune Mountain\n\nMammoth Mountain\n\nSnowshoe\n\nSolitude Mountain Resort\n\nPalisades Tahoe / Alpine Meadows\n\nSteamboat\n\nStratton\n\nSnow Summit\n\nSugarbush Resort\n\nTremblant\n\nWinter Park Resort\n\n\nAnd it's for safety, dumbass.",
"I love hearing that! I'm pretty sure I'll be able to ski in my 60's, at least based on how I feel today (and the exercise I do). You never know what could derail someone, but part of me thinks I might still be able to give it a go at 80. It would be kind of funny to see someone at 80 on a board. Those days could be coming, though.",
"> in 2017? Real up to date info bud\n\nComing from the guy who thought intrawest was 1 resort lol :)\n\nI've been snowboarding for over 20 years.",
"TL;DW Not William H. Macy",
"I see no difference today with inexperienced snowboarders.",
"And to a lesser extent, kiteskiing. I was a snowboarder all my life, but learned to ski when I got into kiting. \n\nKiteboarding is fun, but it's a lot more trick focused and better suited to a park or small area. If you want to do any touring, you get really tired of leaning back on your heel edge after a while. Skis are a much better fit IMO.",
">The phrase was used back in the 40s.\n\n*citation needed*\n\n>Guess that's just as crazy as thinking baseball players in the 80s were the first to slap someone else's hand though.\n\nAgain, made popular != Invented. \n\nYou're not so great with reading comprehension, I take it? I Bolded the important part it seems you missed.\n\n>the high five was [made popular by professional baseball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_high_five_is_a%2Cpalm_of_the_other_person.?wprov=sfla1). **They absolutely did not invent it.**\n\nIf you think people weren't giving high fives in the 1800s, you're crazy. that doesn't mean it wasn't made widespread by something much later.\n\n[high five origins wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_high_five_is_a%2Cpalm_of_the_other_person.?wprov=sfla1)\n\nEdit: go big or go home's origins are the 1990s. Get outta here with your armchair bs. \n\n[\"Go big or go home\" origins](https://grammarist.com/idiom/go-big-or-go-home/#:~:text=The%20phrase%20is%20said%20to,some%20oversized%20Harley%20Davidson%20pipes.)",
"The point is that virtually every snowboarder looked like that because the sport, technology and technique was rudimentary. If you were to only put inexperienced skiers on top of a mountain, film it and show it to people who have never seen skiing, they would conclude it's an incredibly stupid and dangerous activity.",
"And don't forget the beautiful statement:\n\n\"They give lip. We tell them to leave and they say, 'mind your own business.'\"\n\nThere's no self-awareness.",
"I recall a conversation with my brother (a snowbarder) in the late 90s. \n\n\"Skiers are pricks with sticks. But snowboarders are guys with trays\". \n \n\"So what are snowbladers?\"\n \n\"Cunts\"",
"\\*Gravity-take-the-wheel",
"It was definitely a thing during my childhood in the UK.",
"Hey that is my cousin @ 2:10",
"Ah yes, the gold standard for affluent sports.",
"It's as if acceptance and teaching slope etiquette would have totally made things different. \n\n\n\n\nIt's not like they had google to look up techniques or who had the right of way on a run",
"Blame Canada!",
"More serious injuries happen skiing but broken wrist/arm/collar bone and tailbone injuries are pretty common for boarders. I feel like snowboarders get injured more frequently because of the higher amount of low impact falls but skiers get more serious injuries because of the speed and twisting nature which people have brought up. \n\nAnecdotally I’ve known 2 people that needed to be airlifted in skiing accidents, my dad has also been banged up pretty bad and I’ve broken a shoulder.\n\nBut my boarder bros all seem to have been hurt and decommissioned for a bit in some way although nothing too serious",
"Three remaining in the US:\n\n* Alta, UT\n* Deer Valley, UT\n* Mad River Glen, VT\n\nIt's incredibly annoying because I like skiing in Utah, but it's really hard to convince my snowboarder friends to come.",
"Nah, BMX pegs are metal and they were much more destructive to concrete ledges. I used to be a street bmx rider and it's a weight and technique issue. Rider + heavy steel bike would often slam down harder on those ledges and just demolish them faster.",
"I’ve seen some “primitive” skiers that should stick their skis in the bin and go tubing instead but they’re not banned from the mountain. There’s still large ski only resorts today which is horse shit imo.",
"Shreddin that gnar pretty good for ‘85.",
"Yeah these \"cultural\" disputes are usually about differences of opinions about the management of shared resources.\n\nPeople disagree about something, and then they find things that are wrong with the people they disagree with.\n\nLike \"disco sucks\" was about bands being replaced by turntables, and then it became a cultural / racial thing.",
"Ya, it seems to be more lower body and serious head injuries skiing. Those are usually really tough\n\nBoarder injuries are usually lower impact bracing injuries like broken wrists, arms, collarbones which usually aren’t too bad compared to the ski injuries I’ve seen",
"Exercise and good safety gear is key. He wears wrist guards and a helmet, good boots to protect his ankles, etc.",
"Oh yeah. I remember this issue. Money changed this. People were spending so much it was a stupid financial/business decision to refuse them. Popularity of the sport went through the roof. X-Games. Older people dying/moving away from the business.",
"It's hard to research in 2021, so I did the leg work for you \n\n\n\n\nhttps://letmegooglethat.com/?q=snowboard+leash",
"Had that Burton board. Then upgraded to twin tail wow.",
"Tbf; you have to put this video in the context of the time;\n\nearly boards WERE much more dangerous and hard to control. They were bigger, heavier, didn’t have real edges, or camber, or leashes, or brakes etc. early boards were hard to control for even the best boarders. \n\nSo, most borders ( typically less experienced and from the younger crowd too) were not good enough to make good turns or avoid collision; it’s not their fault; board innovation took time and eventually also made ski designs better. Todays boards are 1000x easier to control and be safe on. ( skis too, are much better now-a days) \n\nBut at first boarders were legitimate liabilities on the mountain; in fact a kid at mammoth mountain was literally killed by a run-away board ( no brakes or leashes back in the day). Mammoth banned boards after that. \n\nAdditionally, ski lifts were not made to accommodate boarders, the extra room they take up, and the need for the board to be sideways while sitting down; ski lifts had to be changed to make them accommodate boarders without creating a safety hazard. Early Boarders also made using T-bars a liability, since they would have to be sideways etc. \n\nOnce boarders ( and their boards) got better, and lifts were fitted to accommodate resorts started to relax.",
"Was expecting at least one use of the word “whippersnapper”. Disappointed.",
"Why is the heel edge a problem for touring? Because the split boards are wider? Or during the decent?",
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"Are you for real? \nIt's 10kg/ 20lbs of moving metal. With a fair amount of moving parts. \nBikes are fucking dangerous (not limited to BMX). Getting run over by one can easily result in concussion and broken bones. And if you get tangled with the spokes you can have a 'neatly' mangled hand/foot.\n \nI always though how whack it was that BMXs were allowed in the same pools and skates. And i'm neither. And often enough they aren't!",
"This is a Canadian news network.",
"Looks like Mt Seymour, Vancouver, which is funny to me since I've always been told that they were the first ski hill to allow snowboarders in Canada.",
"It is also worth pointing out that snowboarding technology really pushed ski tech in the last 25 years (thinking park skis, etc). So your aforementioned early ski tech issues were somewhat ameliorated by the the growing popularity of snowboards.",
"This;\n\nPeople are looking at this video without much context for early boards, and before ski lifts were made with boarders in mind. \n\nEarly boards ( and boarders) we’re considerably less capable than they are today, boarders tended to be younger and less experienced,and early boards didn’t have brakes. \n\nThey were incidents where people work seriously harmed by runaway boards; especially since old boards were little more than heavy metal slabs. \n\nAfter board tech. Improved, and resorts fitted their lifts to deal with them; most of the legitimate stigma went away. \n\nBut that’s not the same as saying boards were never a liability and safety issue to start, back in the 80’s",
"I grew up around Jake and his family. He was an amazing person, who was devoted to making snowboarding, and all ski-sports, more well known and enjoyed. Lullaby lane (now Jake's ride) was one of his favorites, for anyone hitting Stowe; take one for Jake",
"I hate to break it to you, but if it weren't for the kids there would be no funding for your skate park.",
">Usually they unstrap one foot for riding the lift\n\n\n\nWeird way to spell exclusively since it would be impossible to skate to and from the chair\n\n\n\n\n>The board takes up a lot of space which can be troublesome on lifts.\n\n\n\nI've riden full lifts with my board and while it's not as comfy as when I'm the only one on the lift, it's not impossible to angle my foot to keep the board pointing in the same direction the skis do. And I also exclusively ride with the bar down and I'm still able to reduce my profile to that of a skier.\n\n\n\n> they have to plop down somewhere to strap that foot back in.\n\n\n\n\nLol skiers like to hang out and enjoy the view from the top of the lift too, theres actually quite a bit of space. No one is just sitting down right in front of the lift and the lifties are watching to ensure no one blocks the exit. You've never stopped to check the trail map that's right at the top of the lift before? \n\n\n\n>They also tend to fall over more often than skiers which can be a bit dangerous\n\n\nHave you never seen a yard sale from a skier? What even is this? \"Oh no, newbies trying something new fall down sometimes\" what even is this point? \n\n\n\n\n\n\n>That said, these things are mostly just minor inconveniences. I wouldn't want to ban them.\n\n\n\nNo, you just still perpetuate the same arguments made over 4 decades ago.",
"Similarly I hated snowboards when I was younger because the fuckers would plop their ass right in the middle of slopes and just sit there.",
"Seriously. What kind of insult is that, anyway!\n\nGotta step it up!",
"Get off my land!",
"My dad sliced his head open because of a ski leash in the 80s. The modern brake is a smart invention",
"Why would you flip skis 180?\n\nBesides tricks that is.",
">Snowboarders shouldn't be allowed on the slopes because the whole point of skiing is hooking up with hot chicks in tight outfits.\n\n\n\nHey, this guy has a sense of humor and I cant wait to see the punchline! \n\n\n\n\n>the hot chick on a board might be underage and I'll get in trouble...\n\n\n\n\nWhere the fuck did that left turn come from? Wtf?",
"Always Sunny did the same thing yesrs later",
"Skiing is yaughting of the land. Who can afford to put a chair lift up the side of a mountain? \n\n\nRich, entitled idiots that also think they can do what katlyn jenna did and kill someone by running them over and not get a real prosacution. \n\n\nThe same ridiculous insane ideology is here...its just a rich persons skate park and the messages are always clear..we can you cant. \n\n\nThe same attitude has overdeveloped in society....and now look where we are. \n\n\nI used to be a life guard on a surfing beach, we share things...its swimmers that are ignorant of surfers because they can only see themselves and not the red and yellow flags on the beach and the clear signs that say \"any where but between these\" \n\n\nIts the opposit for mpotor bikes...everyone now has to maake a special rule for motorcyclists..WITHOUT THE FLAGS OR SIGNS!! there by they are more dangerouse...their allowed to drive between cars...they are allowed to be indignant and smash your wing mirrors...(Iv never driven a car nor will I ever because people are insane in vehicals) \n\n\nSo everyone else has to make a special compensation for this small group...its not like the others where you sectioon a part of the beach off.. \n\n\nOr in this case mountain.... \n\n\nIt is rather strange how we allow these inadquicies in society...and the reply of \"well jeez what are we guinna do?\" not that obviously its not working. \n\n\nI went over on the social commentry but meh I got CPTSD...so meh.",
"Oh no, they only have 6 other world class resorts in the area to choose from",
"Back in the 80’s tho, early boards were terrible. \n\nThey were hard to control even for the Best boarders, and didn’t have safety features like brakes. \n\nLifts were also not made with boarders in mind so the drop offs were too narrow for a sideways board and were a complete liability for t-bars. \n\nAfter boards got better tech they became easier to control, and had leashes or brakes to stop run away boards ( which had injured and even killed a kid at mammoth mountain), and lifts were fitted for boarders; then tensions relaxed. \n\nIn the 80’s tho, early boarders ( and their boards themselves!) were a total liability on the mountain tho.",
"One of my all time favorite videos",
"Yeah, they're also doing something differently than the way I think it should be done!",
"https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/247/297.png",
"Looking at the shape of the boards they had back then, I can at least see where they were coming from. I snowboard and I wouldn't wanna ride one of these things, at least not on public slopes with other people. The only place you see curves as shallow as that today is on racing boards. Is it even physically possible to pull off a turn radius less than 20 meters with of of these?",
"Can't say I'm a fan of Utah myself. Only been to one resort there but holy hell were the people that worked it awful. \n\nRudest people I have ever met in my life. I don't think I'd ever go back.",
"I started going to Colorado for skiing in the 80's as well and definitely remember the disdain for boarders. I, of course, echoed the sentiment since I didn't know better. \n\nA buddy of mine was a boarder and we started vacationing together, he on his board and me on my skis. I realized whatever bias against boarders was misplaced. It wasn't the board that made people act like fools, there were idiots that strapped on skis as well. It was just easier to single out the folks on boards.\n\nWe had a blast! (the back bowls of peak 8 at Breck were GLORIOUS) Which makes me remember, the only issue my boarder friend had was on T-bars and the other drag lift (can't recall the name, it was a round disc you put between your legs and it pulled you up the hill). He figured it out quickly but they were designed for someone on skis and riding them on boards took a bit of creative thinking.",
"Also, look at those boards at the end of the video. They’re *huge* and have a really steeply angled front. They look like pointed toboggans.",
"Another example, paint ballers vs air soft. Paintballers often look down on them. Sure they have cooler more realistic looking guns. Paintball is just better IMO.",
"It's really something when you can equate riding a piece of equipment to being a racial minority, man I tell ya.\n\nedit: Oh he's deleted his comment doing that. Hmmm.",
"As someone resentful, I was born",
"Never been there, but I find that an interesting economic study. As a skier I feel snowboarding provides a boom in supply of users which keeps (expensive to run) slopes open and expanding and growing. Alta is missing out on a lot of money from a big customer base. Otoh they may be making money by catering to a \"ski only\" crowd and charging more for that luxury. They probably did the math and decided on a course that would be more profitable for them. That, or it's run by a bunch of old people who do indeed insist on keeping people off their lawns.",
"Exactly. \n\nEarly boards were just surf boards with a metal slab under them. They were very hard to control. \n\nThey didn’t have proper edges, camber, brakes, leashes, etc. \n\nEven the best early boarders were liabilities. \n\nLoose boards were somewhat common too before brakes and leashes were added ( and are now required by law). Loose boards had seriously injured people and even killed a small child at mammoth one early year. \n\nGood ol Burton innovated tho and boards got waaay better. His tech also made its ways into skis and made skis better. \n\nResorts loosened up once board tech got better but Before that criticism was warranted.",
"He was saying lip you off. As in talking back to you.",
"How do I delete someone else's comment?",
"I watch this at the start of every season. I love it.",
"As someone aborted, I am envious",
"Brighton is a snowboarders dream.",
"Well the ski patrol folks were minding their business. They work for the resort and the resort wanted them off.",
"I met somebody the other day who is 70 and he still skis.",
"It's not quite the same thing, since ebikes are motorized vehicles using non-motorized trail systems. And most of the time those trail systems were bought and paid for with the sweat of volunteer labor that has spent decades creating a place to ride out of nothing. It's got to be pretty frustrating to watch some dude on what's basically a 50cc dirt bike tear up the trails.",
"Poma lifts! They suck on a snowboard without a doubt.",
"As a mountain biker, this is the perfect compromise.",
"The kite attachment point is where a belt buckle would be, and since the kite is always downwind of you this limits your turning and affects your stance. You can only make turns towards the wind (gybes in sailing terminology) and so can only really ride toe edge when travelling directly downwind or making a transition, whereas with skis you can freely carve in both directions since the setup is symmetrical.\n\nHere on the prairies we can go touring on the flat land for many miles on a crosswind tack, and that means never getting a break from leaning into your heel edge, which I found results in really sore calves at the end of the day. You're heel edge going out and heel edge coming home, while with skis you're leaning different directions, and I also found that the side loading doesn't take as much out of your legs as edging a snowboard.",
"It looks like every generation has its boomers.",
"Man that does not look graceful at all, that shit looks awkward as fuck.",
"Ah you mean kite touring. Thanks for explaining.",
"Uh, it wasn't the dark ages or anything. I did a lot of skiing back then and yeah, the information was all readily available.",
"I'm guessing you didn't do much research beyond the first Google result lol.",
"My biggest disagreement here is “You also can’t turn your head as much so it’s harder to be aware of your surroundings.” \n\nI find that while snowboarding I have access to look around a full 360°, simple because we stand perpendicular to the slope. I keep my head on a swivel for any time I find myself needing to pass someone going slower, I have the ability to look behind me before doing so - but I can’t say the same thing about being on skis. Of course the skier/snowboarder behind you is the one responsible for not hitting you, but IMO it’s much safer to be able to look around fully to not put any risk to the person behind whatsoever.",
"As much as I disagree with the guy, snowboarding is a hard sport so I can see why in its early years people didn’t like all the amateurs falling all over the slopes",
"Both my grandparents taught ski school into their early 80s. My grandpa tried snowboarding when it first came about, he had a junk plastic edge so never developed but I was amazed at his support and my grandma's when I went a different direction from the family!",
"and skaters hate fruitboopers in the park",
"We do have very tall mountains you know. And not all of the UK is England. Scotland is snowier.",
"I love this video... \"LiKe a MiSsLe!!!\"",
"“Most of them don’t have breaks”",
"I’ve seen the opposite at my local, we’ve almost got to a 50/50 split",
"In Finland I feel like there are so many more snowboarders each year",
"Ah shut up cunt.",
"I'm laughing at you. Hahaha",
"That mother fucker stole my wave!",
"Go back to Hawaii and go shred with your brahs",
"I think Alta still doesn't allow snowboarders to its lifts",
"Less and less snow, too.",
"I can't get over that you called him Maxwell. Perhaps to sound smart? I don't know why. But it just makes you look dumb. Also you spelled his last name wrong.",
"Ah. That's fair. Shitty, but fair.",
"I watched a guy set up a tube camera for a shot and walked away before locking the tilt. I watched the camera, while recording, pan up and directly into the sun. \n\nIt was actually kinda pretty watching it die. \n\nProbably a $5000 mistake at the time.",
"Do you know any examples? I want to watch a movie like that",
"I'm 46 and just started snowboarding 3 years ago fwiw. I took a half day lesson and then was good to go. I come from a skateboarding and wakeboarding background so I may have had a small advantage. We're headed to Red River in 2 days and can't wait!",
"That’s exactly how far I made it lol. What an idiot.",
"Oh, why don't you show me some sources supporting your view, then?\n\nEdit: a downvote is not a source.",
"Nobody skis loser. Get baked and get on a board.",
"Modern ones are as well. Anytime I get off the lift, I have to navigate the through people sitting on their butts adjusting their bindings or whatever. At least sit to the side of the run so people can get through. It's just freaking ridiculous at times",
"Splitboard prices are quite steep compared to tourski, and they're also significantly heavier.",
"Anyone running a ski resort calling anything “dangerous” should get up on one of those ski lifts with nearly no restraints and explain why those aren’t dangerous.",
"I updated my snowboard to a modern ride. The amount of effort to carve a groomer now is wonderful. I don't need to ratchet straps to the core and engaging an edge is just a lean. Don't discount the technology to help you just do more with less. Best decision I've made in a while.",
"Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!!!!!",
"I used to snowboard in the 80s and people absolutely hated you because of that.\n\nI would cheer and holler whenever being able to see a fellow boarder on the mountain because they were few and far between",
"I'm a downhill oriented tourer and my skis are quite long, wide and and heavy too, but I see your point.",
"I feel like more people are going back to skiing based on the anedcodatal evidence from the place I go to ski each year. \n\nMy daughter calls them bum sitters because they’re always sitting around on their bums at the top of the lift. And everywhere else.",
"It is Seymour!",
"Neither. Skiing and snowboarding, at least up to 2017, was pretty flat with variations of ~20%. ([source](https://www.statista.com/statistics/376710/active-skiers-and-snowboarders-in-the-us/))",
"Feels like a parody",
"I want to share the video on his wall and read the comments from his friends.",
"> for some reason\n\nBoards are less flexible (in function, I mean) than skis. It's easier/faster to transition a ski setup from downhill to uphill and vice versa if you're in mixed terrain, and if you're a good skater you can often avoid doing so altogether in flats/gentle hills. Meanwhile the boarders in the group are either walking or still splitting their board, getting their skins on, etc.\n\nSo yeah, splitboards are great, but if you're trying to navigate varied terrain with a minimum of hassle, skis are still the better option.",
"His ability to sound like these dolts in this video and not notice the irony is hilarious.",
"Way ahead of you my man, I see a decline in the amount of snow each year.",
"Boomers vs Gen X",
">The phrase was used back in the 40s.\n\n*citation needed*\n\nEdit: a downvote is still not a source",
"Long flat slopes suck for splitboard yes, so I usually plan my tours accordingly...that being said, I usually find myself strapped in and waiting for my ski friends to finish transitioning at the top! Can definitely do it as fast as most skiers if you are proficient.",
"Honestly it's probably a different slopes thing. \n\nSnowboards are more popular among younger people and for the 'extreme' crowd. So you're gonna have those groups in easily accessible and cheap mountains or in stupid places to be in, with many foregoing mountains at all and just going where they can do tricks. \n\nOf course this is all out of my ass so it might be entirely wrong.",
"watch out, the hydrofoil will ruin the good water!",
"newsflash: 20 years later and still, nobody likes snowboarders. gnar pow pow dude",
"This is sooo interesting.",
"Hey as long as we still have people like Lindsay Vonn, the ski/snowboard war will continue. Segregation is not the answer, Lindsay.",
"Fucking tourists",
"Don't some slopes have pretty elaborate snowboard parks set up?",
"Skiiers and Snowboarders are natural enemies! Like BMX'ers and Skaters! Or Rollerbladers and Skaters! Or Scooter kids and Skaters! Or Skaters and other Skaters! Damn Skaters! They ruined Skatebording!",
"/r/oldschoolridiculous",
"Tell me you've never done steep runs without telling me you haven't done steep runs.",
"And ironically the same is going to happen to all of us. We're all progressives to start off, then we become the majority and conform society, and then we become the conservative as the latest generation pushes the boundaries elsewhere.",
"Wow, leashes exist, that must mean everyone uses them",
"I'm guessing it's an issue with getting them to go to Utah, when there are other options they prefer.",
"Those sure as hell look like bunny slopes they're all on to me.",
"The future is now old man!",
"Generally, you only see kids on scooters. So thats where that association comes from.\n\nBut skate parks have a \"flow of traffic\" to them, that you should not go against as a point of safety for everyone. Kids (in general) are bad at identifying this flow and just yolo cut across and cause chaos and injuries in the process. It's taking the easy way out to say \"no kids/ no scooters\" rather than try to teach som1 elses kid the proper etiquette of traffic flow.",
"All the 80's movies were right about the ski patrold guys being douchebags.",
"Yeah, I remember snowboarders having to sit sidesaddle on the lifts because they had static bindings for both feet. Things have come a long way since then.",
"That's gold",
"“It’s dangerous!”—no one wearing a helmet.",
"This is a good example to show people of how racism, sexism, etc... Comes across. These guys sound absolutely stupid. It's the same damn thing.",
"Sorry, I'm not really familiar with snow sports, but what is \"booted out?\" I get snowboarders can't do flat stuff cuz they don't have poles, but is \"booted out\" that their boots boots dig through all the snow to the dirt/rocks so skiers can't use the road now either? I always assumed there was more snow than that, especially when it's used regularly and gets packed down.",
"There were definitely digital video effect systems in use by 1985, but yeah this is just camera burn-in.",
"It benefited from the resorts able to section for snowboarders. Making tube runs, halfpipes and more, plus getting recognized in Winter sports, created a solution to a problem. \n\nStill, Skiers and Boarders have the potential of being assholes. Both snow and water versions.",
"It was a bit of a culture shock at the advent of snow boarding. There was always some snowboarder sitting on their ass on the middle of the run making a hazard to go around. I remember coming over a blind ridge to find some guy just sitting in the middle of my path...we collided. I was lucky and landed well, he got my ski boot hitting something that thankfully wasn't his head.\n\nI find snowboarder etiquette has improved immensely over the years.",
"I'm proud to be one of those late 80's snowboarders.",
"...except in rare cases; your luck.",
"Twin tip park skis had a bigger effect.",
"It appears that it was in 1997 that skiers and snowboarders reached [a peaceful resolution to their uneasy truce.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkLu6LYgAgg)",
"Skys vs urchins",
"You mean go Back to the Future of 2204?",
"Snow is stupid.",
"Honestly that sounds like an issue that's kept to keep out snowboards. Kind of like how the bridges to Long Island beaches were just too low for buses to go under and so it was much more difficult for those that couldn't afford a car to reach them.",
"I do both and you rarely look behind while skiing but constantly check up the hill when snowboarding.",
"I didn't know that. That's really interesting. I started out snow boarding when I was 12 and now am 30 and just got some skis.\n\nOne thing I always heard about bad snow boards was they basically slid down the hill like a snow plow, clearing all of the top layer of powder off.",
"The sitting with their boards has always been my only beef with boarders. There's always a group of them sitting on the top of the hill either taking a break or adjusting their bindings, but they always do it in a line so no one can get by and funnels everyone off to the furthest side of the hill.",
"Damn, that ain't bad. First time I went snowboarding my knee popped out and back in. Haven't touched a board since, but then again, was never that interested to begin with.",
"I just wished that someone wasn't welcoming of hoverboards... that was supposed to happen in 2015!!",
"Utah still has two Major resorts that ban snowboarding. Only way to snowboard them is to hike up, but you'll still get yelled at if you do so. It's pathetic.",
"SMART ALECKS",
"It also brings up how dumb the 'calm and collected' point is. Dude goes over to them and 'calmy' tells them that they should leave because they're not wanted there and they get all emotional and tell him to fuck off!\n\nLike, you just ordered some strangers to leave and told them they're not wanted there and are shocked they saw that as an insult, lol.",
"That and I want to ski with them!\n\nBut if I'm going to Utah there's no way I'm skipping Alta. And Deer Valley is really growing on me too.\n\nEdit: it's amazing that even in the comments there's a bunch of anti-snowboarder elitist pricks down voting.",
"Ski School and \nHot Dog…The Movie\n\nThose were the two I remember watching over and over.",
"Let me guess, park city?",
"IKON is a really cost effective way to ski Utah, but Deer Valley and Alta are 2 of the 6 mountains on the pass.",
"Absolutely. I'm not a hunter for peaks or getting as many vertical meters as possible- instead I want the best downhill experience. I'm also slow at transitions so I don't mind the extra break if I can get one.",
"I think that’s because skiing is a rich man’s sport, at least in America. It’s seen as a status thing for the Uber rich (the only ones who can afford to ski in the alps) and almost none of the Uber rich will be snowboarders.\n\nI live in Colorado and have a condo in Teton Village, Wyoming. This is what I’m basing it off of. \n\nI don’t know how big snowboarding is in the alps",
"Lol you said snowboards dont have leashes. Implying theres no such tool. Instructors around the mountains in colorado I've seen all have leashes and encourage the use of them. \n\n\n\n\nBut that also only helps if you somehow double ejected which is much, much harder to do than a skier yard selling everything. So still waiting to see if you have a valid point or if you're a ski patroller from 1985 with a time machine and a grudge against people having fun",
"Would love to see these guy interviewed today, about this interview",
"I was pretty surprised at this attitude because he looks so young, like what? 27-32-ish? Then I realized this is 1986, so we're looking at the early days of a Boomer.",
"That's where a trained bear drives a snow groomer on the mountain.",
"The dude is a walking stereotype of the preppy ski guy that every ski movie (and there were a metric ton of them) included.",
"Less and less strangers in the Alps too.",
"It is definitely rough on the knees. I used to skateboard back in the day (30 years ago or so) and had been wake boarding about 10 years ago or so. The techniques of wakebording and snowboarding are similar with regards to center of gravity, posture, turning, etc... So that was a big help for me.",
">And if you get tangled with the spokes you can have a 'neatly' mangled hand/foot.\n\nLmao how bizarrely rare of a thing is this?",
"Fun fact: VR headsets have extremely sensitive equipment and can have the same happen today.\n\nSo it's kind of making a comeback.",
"Snowboard brakes? I can't remember ever seeing something like that. What is it?",
"I mean if they haven't done it by now...",
"And skiers had the bear trap bindings. That only pulled straight up and ripped your knee up with a twist",
"I have no animosity to boarders in general.\n\nI still see groups of boarders sitting in the middle of a run (we call it \"having a picnic\") blocking it for others, instead of going to the side of a run. I've also been hit from behind 3 times by out of control boarders.\n\nAgain, I don't have a problem with boarders, but I do tend to keep an eye out for them just in case.",
"To be fair, I'd be pretty irate if my hobby revolved around sitting around for half an hour waiting for a good wave.",
"Those Skys better watch out or the Urchins are gonna go RICHTER on their slopes.",
"Is it normal for Austrians to be such cunts?\n\nIf so, that's a shame. You guys have such a similar country to ours (in name only and nothing else).",
"Weird to turn that into a racial thing.",
"Many of us are fine with ski-only resorts. Create board / sled only resorts and problem solved.",
"The smart alecks ! They’re the worst!",
"I can say being a snowboarder in 93/94 (my first year on a commercial ski hill) was a hard knock life. It was just constant bullying from literally every person on skis. I remember being totally shocked that I was swatted with a ski pole in passing by a 104 year old man blazing by on 345cm straight skis (obviously much of that is exaggeration) Thank god for being a teenager and surrounded by likeminded people who were just having fun (bros and fellow snowboarders)",
"Nice try. Google says it's when skiers wear a tutu.",
"Damn, it's weird seeing you outside CVDU. Merry Christmas dude",
"Yes \n\nhttps://youtu.be/u6nYKW5x6I0",
"You think nobody liked snowboarders in 2005? What?",
"Disdain for boarders is a current thing, not just historical",
"And the gold medal goes to...",
"smart alecks I tell ya! all of 'em!",
"I've snowboarded in a private ski only club in Canada when I was on my highschool's race team. Some of the people there actually treated me like shit it was insane because until that point I'd never had such negative interactions skiers because I snowboarded. I'm a proficient snowboarder too, at the time I had 2 levels of certifications to teach snowboarding and was training for my third, It was totally backwards to see how these old skiers held such negative thoughts on snowboarding because I had 1 plank of wood under my feet instead of 2.",
"I don't think it's because they're not interested, they're referring to the extremely cost-gated nature of skiing/snowboarding.",
"I just wish there was *one* snowboarders only mountain, so we could have our own paradise without those dangerous skiers",
"Good thing most of you pricks are dead by now.",
"Fuck that pass for ruining our canyons.",
"Your sister is in 8th grade, but plays hockey likes she’s in 5th grade!",
"My mom loves mad river glen. I didn't realize they dont allow snowboardss",
"you can still burn in modern sensors too, just more difficult to do than back then",
"One aspect of my childhood that sticks out is that people talked a lot of shit about snowboarding but my Dad said \"I can't knock it till I try it\" and got a lesson. He hated it, ended up with a bruised qss and going back to skiing. Still never talked shit about snowboarding, tbh I think it just gave him more respect for them, and me more respect for him.",
"As someone whose never done snow sports that just sounds like a fancy name for skis",
"I worked there for a couple seasons. People still sneak up.",
"Eh there's probably some truth to what you're saying, but I think you're really giving them far too much credit. I'd still absolutely say that the main driving sentiment is simply that people just don't like change and non-conformity, *especially* notoriously wealthy communities. It doesn't matter how responsibly snowboarders were practicing, there was always inevitably going to be resistance to them regardless.",
"Most of the tourists in the ski resorts in the French alps are British. Probably because they can afford it.",
"Snowbird is connected to Alta and the terrain is just as good if not better. If you really have an itch to skii at Alta you could skii in from the bird while your friends stay there.",
"Of course Utah will hold on to old school discrimination for as long as possible.",
"Swank mentioned a few I was gonna say! \n\nBut also Ski-Patrol, Snowballing, and my personal favorite Out Cold are some other classics. \n\nHot Tub Time Machine does it surprisingly well as well but less focused on skiing for sure.\n\nKeep in mind some of these movies are very “risqué” and often focus on getting babes lmao",
"But, Disco does suck.",
"Are you sure it was his ego that was hurt?",
"My JNCO jeans want to fight you.",
"Sounds about right",
"I remember when I posted this .",
"Crash's whole Japanese marketing strategy is interesting, because similar to the angry western Kirby, they changed his appearance for the Japanese version.",
"This was an era during which every movie had to be XTREME",
"Lol what, this is just the layout of the mountain. What do you want them to do regrade every single traverse? Lol",
"que buenos tiempos",
"They banned boarders in Taos New Mexico ages ago claiming we caused ruts in the runs.",
"They’re a bit old to have watched that disney channel original movie, more likely its just a parody of 80s ski vs snowboarder movies",
"90's too.. I remember some resorts didn't allow and others allowed but not on all lifts.",
"If you're old and rich, do you really want to be sitting on your butt a good part of the day? If you're decent at skiing you might never have to.",
"The only other types I don't like are the ones who just decide that the hill is too steep and kinda just slide down it without turning. They are pushing snow down from a steep part of the hill which just leaves ice for everyone else to deal with. Those are my only two complaints",
"Hiking up the mountain just to board down those guys must have been fit as hell.",
"What’s SUPs? ^D^^o^^^g",
"[Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit Remastered - Switch Edition](https://youtu.be/AeRnez3di1I)\n\nThis ad is great!",
"Lol coincidentally I posted this video years ago and it might be my highest voted thing on reddit, so it was weird seeing this for me too.",
"Might have something to do with you being a cunt, though.",
"My favorite place in Utah!",
"Yeah in high school I was a skater and I didn't jump on the BMX hate but I remember looking down on roller bladers and we thought scooters were the stupidest thing on the planet, especially if you were trying to do tricks with it. We didn't hate on other skaters too much but we did have stigmas against certain brands for basically no reason and since we were street skaters, while we didn't dislike them, we did view vert skaters as less legit.\n\nLooking back it's extremely cringey as most of my high school days were. There's really was always some sort of \"other\" to hate on whether it was stupid console wars when I was younger or shitting on \"preps\" when I was older, skating vs everything, etc. Then I graduated and at thought I was past it but I joined the Marines and it was the same thing all over again. Hating on other branches, having disdain for and feeling superior to civilians, POGs vs grunts, even which boot camp was harder. Now I'm 35 and all that stuff is well in the past and it's all so petty and ridiculous. It sucks that sometimes it takes so long to get to the point where you just, as you said, stfu and do what you enjoy and let others do the same.",
"Lol and if you’re a decent snowboarder you won’t have to either?",
"I mean there is a valid reason to dislike snowboarders, and two resorts in Utah attract the people who dislike sharing the mountain with snowboarders. I know The whole “snowboarders are dangerous” thing is treated like a joke but skiers and snowboarders do descend the mountain differently and that can be dangerous especially with the inexperienced.",
"They used to harass us like crazy on Crystal Pass in WA State. \nThe result was snowboarders doing funny and bad shit to skiers.\nI remember being asked where my snow suit was by a skier like she was so cool. Lol she looked like a pretentious bitch. \nActed like one too",
"maybe they were thinking of James Clerk Maxwell Plank",
"Imagine getting that worked up about whether people ride down a hill on a single plank of wood or a pair.",
"I think u mean take off their boards not their boots but I could be mistaken",
"I used to work in television production in the 1990s so I’m quite aware, but NewTek didn’t announce the Video Toaster until 1987, and even then it was pretty rare to find them used professionally outside of small production houses or schools.",
"Perhaps.\n\nThe point I was making, though, was that it wasn’t the media amplifying the situation as the OP suggested. \n\nIt really wasn’t media worthy content, buzzfeed didn’t exist, the Internet wasn’t really a thing. Nobody outside the winter sport’s community card and newspapers were not going to waste column inches with the issues rich skiing communities were facing.",
"Rollerblades weren't even hated, it was just shitty 90s/00s homophobic bullshit (in my experience)\n\nI'd show up a skatepark as a kid, hitting rails and fucking around in bowls, until the pack of skateboarders ran you off, threatening you for being a \"faggot\"",
"Because I was disagreeing with him? I didn't see any arguments.",
"How to tell a good surfer from a bad one: swole arms vs swole legs.",
"That's just what I've done. But it's much better to be actually WITH, y'know?\n\nOnly found out Deer Valley was skis only when we were walking to the lodge from the parking lot and an employee told us. Hopped back in the car and went all the way around to snowbird.",
"Only rich people should be able to ski, right?\n\nFuck me for not paying full window price for tickets.",
"lol classic video.\n\nI have one buddy that snowboards in our group of 13 skiers. He likes to pretend he's confused and make fun of other snowboarders, telling them they aren't allowed here and shit, it's hilarious.",
"Sky’s Vs. Urchins. If you know you know.",
"and Alta is skiing heaven because of it, seriously, so nice and smooth",
"Nah, because you're being all cunty about it.",
"Why would you be sitting on your butt on a snowboard?",
"I really don't get it.",
"We can tell.",
"You can take the lift from snowbird to the top of Alta, one rope to duck but no hiking what so ever.",
"Care to elaborate?",
"Not really.",
"Boarding is unfortunately a dying sport (NSAA Statistics) and there’s no market for a boarding only resort that would sustain lifts being run every day",
"It’s not discriminatory if the person makes the choice to snowboard or ski. There really should be no issue if a private business wants to keep its focus on one service and next expand to include another.",
"Alta has a lot of flats. It's not a fun time for a boarder anyways. \n\nSource: may have boarded Alta on my split once.",
"Correct! But snowbird (connected to Alta) sure does and you can take a snowbird lift to the top of Alta if you’re feeling frisky",
"Psssst. 1985 wasn't 20 years ago.",
"You’re asking them to remake trains that pre date snowboarding...",
"I understand dude, words hurt.\n\nBut you kind of seem like a cunt ngl",
"Alps is cheaper than Colorado in some ways. A trip to Swiss alps has cheaper lift tickets, cheaper lodging. If you live in NY, the cost of flying to Zurich or Geneva and taking a train to the mountain could very well be similar in cost to flying to Denver and renting a car. The quality of the resort is far better too. So yea, I had a great trip snowboarding in the alps as a non Uber rich person. It mostly comes down to how lucky you are on flight cost. \n\n\nDisclaimer: this is purely based on my experience of going to the alps and Colorado in pre pandemic times.",
"Because you're a cunt",
"oh hey we got a bonafide rich fella here",
"Those Christians and their (checks list) anti snowboarding stance.",
"Its either your butt or your knees.",
"As a snowboarder, I agree. It’s nice that a business can have a niche they can use.",
"Ski Patrol at end of segment:\n\n>They don't see our point, they only see their own point and it's sort of a tunnel vision of a sort.\n\nGood to see things haven't changed too much with people over time.",
"Huh, I guess you’re right. A one way ticket out of DIA is about $700. \n\nI’m staying at my families condo in Teton Village over the holidays, and I can tell you right now if I had to buy a hotel and a daily lift ticket, you would be spending well over $1,000 a day. I stand corrected",
"Yep, usually on the other side of the mountain from the ski slopes.",
"Never been. I'll stick to BC peaks for the foreseeable future",
"Wait, you're from New Jersey. What the hell would you know about anything to do with persistent snow?",
"If you think Christians don’t take stupid stances like that then you’ve obviously never grown up in America. Or you identify as a Christian and are big mad about it. Christians are fucking idiots that have historically claimed every new thing to be the work of the devil.",
"Lmao I was thinking the same thing",
"Is it me or is this mostly about a few douchebags who were running into people and being general dicks, and not really about the snowboard? But because they were on a snowboard they were an easy target",
"I'll bet when he gets new boots he's goofin",
"1) you have 0 clue where I’m from\n\n2) what are you even talking about, persistent snow was never mentioned lol",
"No, my family has owned this condo for over 25 years. They bought it for 200,000 back in the 90’s.\n\nI promise you were are not rich. Comfortable, but not rich",
"I had similar experiences and it wasn’t limited to USA. When I moved to Europe in the early 90s there was the same kind of bullying from skiers everywhere I went: France, Italy, Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. But it seemed like there were more snowboarders riding in larger groups there. In CA, UT, and CO in the late 80s there’d just be a handful of snowboarders here and there, which I think made the bullying easier. USA is also only place I’d ever been that had mountains that just flat out banned snowboarding.",
"\"seeing the local ski shop stocking an equal choice of skis and snowboards today.\"\n\nDepends where you go. Plenty of shops have waaaaay more snowboard stuff than ski stuff these days.",
"Shes a real B - I - Trans Canada Highway if ya know what I mean",
"Was hoping this was the [\"skier vs snowboarder\"](https://youtu.be/LjrD6iOuFZQ) resolution you were talking about.",
"Brighton fucking rules.",
"Deer Valley, too",
"“Lip you off.” Is this Canada? Even so angry they’re so polite.",
"Interesting that from what you’re saying it sounds like it’s changed. \n\nI grew up in Oregon in the 80’s, spending most of my time not skiing because we couldn’t afford it. The kids at school with a collection of lift tickets clipped to their jackets were the same ones who’d get a new BMW for their 16th birthday. The couple of times I did go downhill skiing, “Goth kid at the country club” perfectly captures how I felt. Years later (would’ve been the mid 90’s?), when my wife and I were in our 20’s, we went skiing in Tahoe, and in the lodge this coked-up blonde snow bunny in a pink outfit starts ordering me to get her napkins and utensils. She thought I worked there… I think.",
"It’s always fascinating to me how out of all the ski resorts in the entire planet, Alta, and MRG are just a level too high for snowboarders. Because there’s *no* other resorts with extensive in-bounds boot packing and traversing, or ungroomed trees in the case of the latter, and if there was, they couldn’t possibly be rideable if snowboarders are allowed there. If you ski at either of these places, best to stay there. Doesn’t get any better, after all.",
"I'd love to see a boarder try to ride that T bar at the base!",
"Damn 10k for a golf in 1997",
"lol most of them have no brakes like skis do",
"They’d probably feel the same way, the anti snowboard hate is serious with the older generation. A bunch of my dads friends say that it should be banned and they’re a nuisance",
"It's the same in Colorado, lower income areas boosted by big city money.",
"35 years*",
"There's less snowboarding at all high quality mountains. Spend some time at the small, flat east coast hills, and you'll think snowboarding is taking over skiing. Then go to Jackson, Whistler, and Europe, and you'll come to the exact opposite conclusion.\n\nSnowboards just don't have the same degree of control on difficult alpine terrain.",
"Right, because MRG is the only mountain with rideable ungroomed terrain. Big facts.",
"It’s twofold:\n\n\nMost lifts will not let boarders enter the lift while both feet are strapped in. Skiers naturally have both feet already clipped, unless it’s a gondola. This forces most snowboarders to stop at the top of the hill to get strapped. Since it takes a good bit of experience and balance to strap your back foot in while bent over and sliding, most will stop and sit for a moment to finish strapping in. \n\n\nAlso, from the years I spent living and riding Summit Co, Colorado, skiers are actually just as likely if not more to “congregate” in dangerous areas. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve come up a fast roller to find a group of 60 year olds standing in the middle of the blind spot catching their breath. Or at the bottom of a blind jump where you can’t see them until you’re already in the air.\n\n\nPerhaps we can just say that some humans lack general situational awareness and social comprehension.",
"Yes, a slope that has been groomed and has facilities built on it was designed for skiing just as much as a skate park was designed for skating. You're confused because you're thinking of the ground as the ski slope, but that would be like thinking of the lot the skate park is built on as the skate park. The mountain isn't the ski slope, it's the parking lots, buildings, ski lifts (notice they're not called snowboard lifts), and the groomed runs, everything that was built on the mountain to make skiing better, that's the stuff that was built for skiers. All of these were designed and existed before snowboards. \n\nI get the impression maybe you've never been to a ski hill, you seem to think it's just an unimproved mountain that people show up at and slide down.",
"Each time they called snowboards “missiles”, I thought “well, skis are *two* missiles.” Plus there are poles.\n\nIt’s yet another example of people thinking “different=bad”.",
"I grew up outside of the coasts. People from my church went on snowboarding trips. And this was 30 years ago. And a VERY conservative sect of Christianity. Winter sports are a part of the culture here, so nobody really batted an eye when snowboarding came out. It was just another winter sport. \n\nIt's usually your know it all coasties who come to conclusions as asinine as yours. Especially when it doesn't get cold enough for persistent snow out there.",
"^^Great ^^White ^^Buffalo",
"Yeah...and skiers should have to use the skier drinking fountain and sit at the back of the lot shuttle.",
"Canada was pretty good about snowboards during the late 80s and early 90s from my memory (at least in Ontario at the smaller mountains). My first board was plastic and they didn't seem to mind as long as I was having fun. I remember I broke my hand boarding in 92' and ski patrol told me I'm fine and to just continue.",
"I like Pow Mow 100 times more than Brighton, and I loved Brighton. Check it out next time!",
"\"what are you talking about\". It goes to show you how much you know about winter sports.",
"I also enjoyed his \"they just won't be reasonable and look at our point of view\" then when asked if he could compromise: \"No ... we just don't want them. At all.\"",
"MY ANKLES ARE BROKEN",
"sailboats versus power boating. Jet skis. Battle been going on for ages. \n\ncheese and wine versus chips beer and salsa.",
"“SmartAlecs”\n\nWhat does this guy have against Alec?",
"good lord what an investment. i don't even wanna know what it's worth now",
"I've never been to a \"high quality resort\".",
"Super long high speed magic carpet?",
"If you haven't been I'd recommend Powder Mountain out there. Possibly the best place I've ever been. Empty AF, huge, awesome terrain, and cheaper. Even the lodge is more utilitarian, but that's because the focus is just on the slopes.",
"I think this man is a newscaster say something about snowboarding.",
"I think that's the definition of discrimination.",
"I started in 95 and snowboarders were definitely a minority. I did it for a few years and got out of it. I got invited to go snowboarding with a friend about 10 years later and at least half of the people on the slopes were snowboarders. It may go in and out of style but it’s never going away.",
"lived this. Learned to board in CA, but frequently went to ID. Got yelled at many, many times.",
"Amazing 👏",
"Even today I still see this resentment from people, I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been on a lift with random skiers complaining about “no good snowboarders ruining the mountain”. It always people 35-40+ that complain. I always just shake my head at them and tell them I’ll be waiting for them at the bottom of the mountain",
"Hmmm.... I'm sleeping next to an LGBTQ woman as we speak. My church spearheaded our community's lgbtq parade. \n\nBut go on. You seem to be a very.... *Ahem* knowledgeable person.",
"Oh wow a Christian church doing the fucking minimums? Go pat yourself on the back some more. Christians and their performative bullshit makes me want to vomit. You can’t erase the past 1000 years with your little parade.",
"It is great. It's steep, mostly ungroomed and because there are no snowboarders snowplowing, it develops better bumps than other resorts.",
"It's great but a bit small. Especially for how much they charge for passes.",
"No one uses a leash, your board is seldom at a risk of going off on it's own and there are no brakes on a snowboard.",
"Listen, he does the black diamond groomers at his local *all the time*, ok.\n\n\nLmao in all seriousness, at a certain skill level, skis can outpace and out perform a board. I lived in a resort town in CO for many years, ended up befriending and riding with a good amount of pro level riders. I got to a point (100-120+ days on mountain a season) where I could keep up with them on any run, hit the same lines in the park, etc.\n\n\nOne year, I had a pro free skier working for me. We would all ride together at least once or twice a week, and he was literally impossible for any of us on a board to keep up with. Just absolutely charged through anything and everything faster, harder, and more stylish than anything we could hope to touch.",
"You're the reason why they tell people to wear helmets before doing something like snowboarding.",
"To be fair, BMX bikes really fuck up ledges and that kind of pisses me off.",
"Eyyyy ppono!",
"This is such a weird argument to start. Reddit is fascinating",
"To be honest, I still dislike snowboarders. There are practical reasons for this. \n\nPoor snowboarders tend to travel sideways on steep slopes. This has the effect of scraping the snow off the hill or into poorly formed mogols. Poor skiers can do the same, but they tend to stay off the blacks more than snowboarders that shouldn't be there.\n\nThey also tend to congregate in groups straight across the hill, blocking it for some reason...\n\nI don't have much of a problem with good snowboarders that can go straight down the hill, but they are a small percentage of the boarder population around here.",
"I skiied a bit in the 90's and I remember most skiers being snobby cunts to snowboarders. The snowboarders were all kids so it was the skiers who usually got their way.",
"I didn't watch the video, so I don't know if this guy is unhinged or whatever... that being said I've been skiing since the I was like 7 in the late 80s. I agree that snowboarders are a menace, and my family used to ski in Taos specifically because they banned them. They don't anymore.",
"Every shot of the snowboarders shows them falling after 4 seconds and ploughing through people. Pretty biased reporting haha",
"\"They come down on the skateboards or whatever they're called\"\n\nSnowboards. You know...because of the snow",
"\"Get off my lawn you damn kids! \"",
"VW in particular hooked up with an agency that made [great commercials.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQvOT1Sxkg)",
"Oh hey, a Christian making fun of physical disabilities? The true colors always come out with you demons. Barely human honestly. Only compassion you have is for the other idiots basking in manic euphoria.",
"'Member when the was a debate that snowboarders caused more avalanches or not? \n\nI remember that in Park City one year...... It was in the news",
"Complaining that snowboards don't have breaks, but its not like skis do either. I've ridden both and tbh i find stopping on a snowboard to be easier\n\nEdit: aparently the ski lessons at my slope ignored the brakes, seems like a pretty massive oversight",
"You sir are an idiot, you think making 70k a year is Uber rich",
"This blows my mind.",
"Been there too! Lodge was pretty cool with a live band when I was there. The only complaint as a snowboarder was getting to the other side using the rope kinda sucked. But, it was an fucking awesome powder day.",
"That’s because of the inherent risk when you find a stranger in the Alps.",
">I think that’s because skiing is a rich man’s sport, at least in America. \n\nwhat about millions of epic passes that were sold this year. I just see regular folk skiing here on co slopes.",
"Hold up. Modern boards have brakes??? \n\nAsking seriously. I’m a boarder and … where is the brake on the board exactly?",
"Growing up in CO in the 80s/90s I can remember when Keystone and other mountains didn’t allow snowboarders. Seems really strange to think back on that now",
"Why do old people generally sound like that asshat crying about skiers being angels and snowboarders being menaces? Like, I’m old but I’m most likely never gonna say something as fucking stupid about a snowboard, calling it a skateboard or snow plank or whatever that idiot said. And this relates to pretty much everything, like I wouldn’t call “TikToc” “A YouTube” or whatever. Is it just ignorance or low intelligence causing this behaviour?",
"It was such an odd time. I'm a two planner, but I never had issues with snowboards. My son is a mono planker, and I love doing the two together. \n\nWe were so weird. Look at what we wore!",
"Oh my God, you really do sound like a helmet commercial.",
"Well yeah, they don't want their windshields smashed in.",
"Yea anecdotally it seems snowboards are easier on knees but snowboard crashes seem pretty bad for shoulders.",
"Around that time there is a interesting parallel with skaters trying to keep rollerblading out of skate parks. Ironic when you consider the overlap between skating and snowboarding.",
"Hmm in my experience not really anymore. Personally (and obviously I am pretty biased) as a skater, my list goes rollerblader>scooter>bmx and I think its probably the same for most skaters in my city. \n\nIt mainly has to do with while while scooters are annoying (usually this has to do with the fact that scooter riders have an average age of 11) they don’t fuck up the ledges and stuff as much as bmxers and in general bikes are obnoxiously large for packed skateparks and you’ll get absolutely destroyed if you run into one.",
"Oh absolutely. Skis are far more capable when the rider is at a high level. \n\nBut I think getting to a high level on skis is much harder. A mediocre snowboarder can make it down a double black if they take it slow and keep doing quick turns. On skis that is much much harder if you are at the same mediocre level.",
"god*",
"Don’t know about that specific t bar but you can absolutely use a t bar with a board. You just hook one side of it behind your front leg.",
"Hello, would you have some time to talk about our Lord and Savior, Deadlift and Squat day?",
"*Punch drunk.",
"Go diddle kids at the YMCA",
"I snowboard and I ski. Do whatever you like. Both are fun. People telling other people what to do are the problem, not the sports.",
"\"Well yeah I'm drinking alcohol, I have to hike 6 hours up a mountain carrying a snowboard for a 6 minute ride back down\"",
"This is why I LOVE innovation! People fear what they do not know, which is fine! But give it a chance to change your mind!",
"Your waifu must be very proud.",
"They most deff was\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wtb1xRbTEtg",
"Another\n\nLong\n\nTraverse\n\nAgain",
"SQUARE!",
"honestly, it's such a weird thing to do, invent a completely different and particular name for a well-known scientist, that I really wasn't so sure myself and felt lile I was talking crazy pills at first",
"As a skier only argument I see for boarders is pushing down snow, and lagging behind me at Midwest resorts.",
"Yep back then we'd fight about this",
"I feel like there's 100% a video like this on rollerblades vs skates or scooters at skate parks.",
"That was my friends. They'd rant about the \"punks.\"",
"Better off dead is a classic",
"As a skier who regularly rides with adept snowboarders, my only complaint about snowboarders are the boarders who bite off more than they can chew and end up on terrain that is beyond their skill level then skid the entire slope on their heel side. This knocks all of the drier snow off the depth hoar and makes for some dicey turns. Especially on steeper surfaces where there are fewer anchors.",
"What the actual fuck are you talking about? I ski and snowboard. We both descend the mountain the exact same way.",
"Snowboarding is a lot easier on your body than skiing, in my opinion. I know a number of older skiers who had to basically give up the sport due to knee issues, made the switch to snowboards and have basically been reborn lol.",
"Is no one going to mention there seems to be an actual 80s teen movie villain interviewed at 1:45?",
"How many people watching this tried to rub a green spot off their phone?",
"Where do you see straw? We’re we watching the same video? All I see is snow.",
">who didn't respect their elders.\n\n#LOL",
"You's were snows boardins with yer pals the other daaaayyyy",
"Thank you, I loved the Disney Channel original documentary of this conflict.",
"Originally from Vermont. Mad River Glen’s marketing line was “Mad River Glen, ski it if you can.” Grew up with Jake Carpenters kids and he would always give us a little gift around Xmas time. One year he gave us bumper stickers that read “Mad River Glen, I’d board it If I could”",
"he said that snowboards dont have brakes lol because skis have them right",
"Go to snow basin. Those people in cottonwood canyon are too high class for my country ass.",
"Punch him in the face and break your wrist while you're at it because you're a little sissy boy.",
"Calm down, there is no need to be upset",
"There has been a slight decline but to call it a dying sport is asinine. It is now officially in the Olympics and freestyle snowboarding is more popular amongst the youth than freestyle skiing. You just don’t have 60 year olds picking up a board like you do a pair of skis.",
"82 here. I'm grabbing tiki touches right now. Bring your lighter.",
"[It's like I'm wearing nothing at all. ](https://c.tenor.com/Q6gYiiylDykAAAAM/simpsons-thesimpsons.gif)",
"You are not.",
"As someone who used to both ski and snowboard a lot that sounds like a made up excuse to me. Lodge areas are absolutely covered in foot traffic and I have never once heard skiers complaining about not being able to get to the lodge because it's \"booted out\". The traverse might not be as nice and smooth if a lot of people are walking it, but totally inaccesible? I don't see how.",
"wankers gon wank.",
"Fucking Californians with their ski-board fads",
"We use T-bars? The terrain park at Timberline Oregon in the summer all uses T Bars",
"The only reason VR headsets do this is because there is a lens inside that will focus sunlight like a magnifying glass. Behind the lenses is just a regular phone OLED display.",
"I remember my early days snowboarding when I was 13 or 14 and I definitely lost control and nailed people and felt really bad about it.\n\nI can see why people would be afraid of it. But people will always be afraid of what they don't understand. (i.e. GMOs, socialism, homoesexuality)",
"This dude sounds like he was written by Letterkenny",
"Just wait till *Johnny Tsunami* drops",
"It's not so much that it removes snow down to the ground. It creates an uneven surface that makes it difficult to traverse on skis because all the new tiny hills and valleys slow down skis like speed bumps do for cars.\n\nAnd most skiers don't propel themselves on flatter terrain with poles and instead use a technique called skating which is similar to how inline skaters propel themselves on flat or uphill terrain.",
"It annoys me to no end seeing other runners on multi-use trails or in highly congested neighborhoods with headphones in. \n\nSituational awareness, mfers!",
"Yeah, Snowbird and Alta are pretty elitist. My in-laws are Seven Summit members and on the board of Utah Avalanche. I’ve met a lot of those old timers. They still don’t like snowboarders. They respect the pros like crazy, but the average snowboarder is a nuisance. \n\nNot to compare it to race, because the gravity is totally different, but it’s probably kinda like that old generation who saw both pre-Jackie Robinson baseball and post. After Jackie, those older folks who grew up with all-white baseball respected how good Jackie was… but still were racist toward the average black citizen. It’s like humans have this weird ability to validate success and still maintain biases.",
"Rebels",
"This movie made me favor a board over skis. About half of my group of regular mountain-goers were skiers and the other boarders, but there was always a friendly \"dweeb vs delinquent\" rivalry.",
"I recently got into skiing in the past couple of years as I’m on the younger side. Would you say skiing was more expensive back in the 80s than it is now? \n\n$120 bucks for a single lift ticket + $50 rentals + $100 ski lesson is pretty steep for someone just starting out for a day. \n\nLuckily I had a family friend who was an instructor and skied with him to get me started out.",
"Get oxygenated bro",
"Vax vs. unvaccinated",
"I'm glad we've evolved and don't bitch about petty things anymore",
"and yet, they haven't at all.",
"Fucking spongers.",
"> Snowboarding was thought to be bringing the wrong element to the slopes. It was like a goth kid showing up at the country club\n\nThis is exactly it.\n\nThe snobbery just oozes out of these people; I don’t believe for one second they gave a shit about safety or they’d have created runs for snowboarding, especially when people have been getting into skiing accidents for as long as the sport’s existed (Sonny Bono didn’t die bc a snowboarder ran into him).",
"Early snowboards were just unwieldy and a mess to really control. Technology has improved a ton since then.\n\nI have my own stuff, and while I'm not great I can get down just about anything and teach my friends to as well. One time for fun I strapped into a board from about 1988? for a day. I felt like I was out of control.\n\nThere's also the aspect that early ski/board crowds were two different circles of demographics, and neither were used to the unwritten rules and customs of mountain/board sports. For example snowboarders are more likely to find and/or partially construct little jumps on the side of a run, and in board sports (skating/surfing) it's customary to sit and wait your turn to hit a feature. Skiiers on the other hand weren't used to people sitting anywhere on the run.",
"I’m 56 and have been snowboarding since the early 90’s. First time I saw it I knew that’s what I want to be doing. Haven’t skied since.....won’t ski again. Snowboarding is that much better, IMO. It’s just not easy to pick up.",
"This attitude will never completely go away. I grew up in the 90s and my mom would never buy me clothes that had a skull on them.",
"I went to Deer Valley the first year that snowboarding was officially allowed on the slopes. I was twelve at the time and I received so many rude comments from adults. A lot of huffs and puffs in the lift lines. \n\n\"Get off the mountain!\" Was said and yelled at me throughout the weekend.",
"Exactly... should've seen people at Jackson Hole bitching about IKON pass holders getting 5 days (I think it was?) at the resort. Bunch of elitist pricks.",
"I’m 60 yes old, still snowboarding 🏂 actively and have since about 1989 🏂🏂🏂🏂",
"No, but they have leashes. Your ass in the snow is the brake",
"Lmao probably one of the cheapest commercials ever made",
"In all the comments I read between you and the people you were arguing with, you come off as an instigator and hostile.",
"No, you are just being obtuse. A groomed ski run is just as useful for a skier or a snowboarder.\n\nSkateparks have specific elements that are designed with only skateboards in mind. It is in no way comparable to a mountain.",
"I'm still skiing! Waiting for the snowboarders to rise/ride again! I'm a veteran of this great war",
"They were gunned down by Snowboard fanatics",
"\"...some of them have had a little bit to drink.\"\n\nWhen snowboarding is outlawed....only outlaws snowboard.",
"Pomas! I grew up skiing at a small mountain with only a Poma on the backside. That thing not only required considerable skill but would break all the time. I just remember climbing this mountain in downhill boots….it was annoying. But the backside were the only decent slopes.",
"You kids and your snowboards... GET OFF MY MOUNTAIN",
"Johnny Tsunami",
"Depending on the context, Snowboarding was not invented in California, but rather in Michigan. Pretty sure it even started with dune riding, and then tested on snow up here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowboarding",
"Mad river is right on the long trail, it's actually not unheard of for people to hike up so they can board down it. All they can do is yell at you with no real consequences, maybe revoke your Sugarbush/MT Ellen privileges if they actually find out who you are. Personally don't think its worth it though, mad river isn't really anything special.",
"You've just caused me to binge this and Brink today",
"Cool. I doubt I'll ever do it. I only ski once every few years. Getting out West from the South for three days on the slopes is too expensive to waste time learning it (I enjoy skis anyway). Maybe I could try a bunny slope in North Carolina, but I'd rather throw that money out West.",
"What do I do with this brake fluid then?",
"Are the boots used for split-boarding very different to downhill snowboard boots? AT or Tele boots have a lot of rigidity that's not needed in a snowboard boot and so just isn't there, but it results in a lot of ankle and foot-bed support, which is obviously beneficial for touring. My only familiarity with snowboard boots is from downhill snowboarding. I feel like those sorts of boots would suck to wear for a longer tour, so I assume there must be some design differences for the boots intended for split-boards.\n\nWith no toe plate on snowboard bindings, doesn't the pivot point on the binding wind up being behind your toes? I feel like that would wind up being an inefficient and maybe an unnatural stride to assume.\n\nI'd like to hear from someone who does AT, Tele, and Splitboard touring, and get their more neutral perspectives on the advantages and disadvantages of each. I'm looking at getting more into touring, and have the skill to choose any of the above from my downhill experience on each, but only want to buy gear for one of the options.",
"Sorta. It's a board that can detach in the middle and the bindings rotate to turn in to skis.",
"This. Boarders were typically out of control and dangerous back then. A couple years later, and everything changed for the better.",
"Absolutely agree. Although that isn’t solely a snowboarder thing. I tried a mogul hill (once!) and my knees noped out about a third of the way down. That is the day I learned the meaning of “committed”. There was no bail out, it took me about 30 mins to get down (1-2-3 sliiiiide). Once I got to the bottom I looked back up and could trace my path down by all the shiny hills. Definitely learned my limits that day. \n\nMight be that snowboarding has more plateaus on its learning curve. Overconfidence can get you in trouble pretty quick and once committed you lose a lot of choice.",
"Ah, got it, thanks. I'm surprised skis and snowboards are so sensitive to that. I assumed the big sizes were for uneven bumps since they rarely are in fresh fallen snow.",
"Its funny because when I snowboarded I hated skiers because they would always just stand around in the freestyle park getting in the way.",
"Snowbird is literally right next to Alta, and you can also snowboard in Park City and Canyons…",
"Where else? California.",
"> Skiing was more of an elite sport back then. By that, I mean that it was a sport mostly reserved for the privileged and wealthy.\n\nthe unbearable whiteness of skiing",
"This reminds me so much of early seasons of Trailer Park Boys",
"Why i remember I once placed my skis outside the lodge to go get a warm cup of hot chocolate. I had to blow on it to cool it down. Soon as brought it close to my lips, whack! Skis hit me upside the head spilling all my hot chocolate! You don't how good you kids got it!",
"I've been snowboarding for 10 years, never used a leash or a brake... You control your speed with your board alone... What are you talking about?",
"One of my favorite aspects of skiing Slushman's and Mundy's at Bridger Bowl. An avalanche beacon is required to ski that terrain. If you don't beep, you're not allowed on the lift. \n\nThis accomplishes two mitigations. One, skiers have a chance of being found in case of an avalanche. Two, inexperienced skiers are prohibited from using the terrain because most tourists won't be willing to fork out the money needed for an avalanche beacon.\n\nI've since recommended adding a requirement for avalanche beacons for expert terrain at slopes where avalanches aren't really an issue only because it keeps inexperienced skiers out of those higher difficulty areas.",
"Idk I'm not much of a skier personally but I've heard from people my age (30s) that it's harder and they prefer skiing.",
"It can be two things. Don't take this away from me.",
"Yep. But I want to ski at Alta and Deer Valley if I'm in Utah, but I'm not gonna invite a friend to come with me and ditch him at a different mountain.",
"I mean, I snowboard often, and don't understand why you would be on your butt or knees for any significant portion of the day. Like sometimes if you're strapping in, but that's pretty easy to do standing up?",
"Shut up and take my money!",
"All? Really?",
"These snow skiers need to back where they came from!",
"Not the brakes you're thinking :). They have those little feet that come down from the binding when you're boots come off keep the skis from sliding down the mountain. I figured that what he meant because those snowboards didn't have similar and some early models could just fly down like a missal.",
"Moronic take, how do they “wreck east coast snow”?",
"SMART ALECS",
"I know, be is just funny every time. I guess the one at Alta is flat at least. Snowboard friends at Breck trying to ride that T bar had some adventure.",
"Hm -- I was a skiier, racer & instructor in the 80s, and I'd characterize those years as the exact opposite. It was so much less expensive then, especially with all the little family-owned slopes. I skiied at a place call Brodie in MA, and it was definitely a working-class hill, most of the folks there working at the Pittsfield GE plant on the weekday and getting blitzed in the Blarney Room on the weekends \n\nSnowboards and other single board prototypes showed up occasionally as a lark on the slopes. When it picked up, it seemed it was often done to deliberately piss people off. You know, get wasted, bomb a hill with a board, get kicked off the mountain. Which had nothing to do with boards, really. And people did that before, on skiis.\n\nWhen people stated doing it seriously, everything got better.",
"Hyperflexion is often the contributing injury for inexperienced skiers because they tend to ride in the \"back seat\". Then when they crash, their butt will hit their heels which will wreck the ligaments in the knee.",
"> E.G., the high five was made popular by professional baseball\n> \n\nI mean you say that but you can not really find earlier examples than Dusty Baker doing it. I think he's full of shit personally but there's not really much contradictory evidence.",
"Oh I know, I've done it. It's just funny and awkward and you get a lot of faceplants.",
"Yes but what happens when you are going downhill fast and need to pizza instead of French fry?",
"My dad is 57 and still snowboards",
"If you want to be pedantic his name was Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck but he did go by Max Planck later in life (age 10 and up).",
"Dude! That jingle! Memories 🎶",
"\"Reeeeeee I don't like change!\" \nLmfao literally every single thing they cite for why it's bad is also applicable to skiing",
"Never seen boards with a leash before. Unless you’re talking about snowskate?",
"Side slipping on a snowboard is how people learn to do it, exactly the same speed control method as a skier pizzaing.",
"Nah it’s different, it’s not like people dislike snowboarders because they are scared of change, they are genuinely annoying at times",
"Secrets out! Need to get back to my.. what's a modern version of a Delorean?",
"On downhill terrain you just go right over stuff like that but on a flat surface it can be just enough to stop you from picking up momentum.",
" “Smart-Alec’s” lol",
"Discrimination implies an component of prejudice or unjust motivations, which doesn’t apply here in the slightest. It’s disrespectful to even compare this to old school discrimination",
"Boomers bitching about youth trends, a timeless art",
"Is grew up in a skiing town, Father actually worked at the mountain as a lift operator for most of my childhood. I remember the snowboard hate. If I remember correctly they were initially banned at the mountain, and then they built a special section for them, and eventually they just took over...",
"I do my best to plop my ass on the farthest side of the slope or right in front of caution signs/pillars that would need to be gone around anyway.",
"Like I said, I looked at all of your comments in these thread chains not just that one. And I think you spoke with an instigation/confrontationalness(I know its not a word) that the others did not have.",
"Snowboards saved the ski industry",
"Historical, it’s been noted that snowboarded is one of the markers of a declining society. Heathens! lol",
"Yes, me enjoying snowboarding and skiers yelling at me for enjoying it where they don’t want me to enjoy it. I could have waved but that’s not my personality.",
"Uphill travelers have right of way. That’s how it is on every trail I’ve been on.",
"Me right now currently re waxing my snowboards so I can fly in to skiiers like a missile",
"No it doesn't. You can discriminate against anything for any reason. It takes is specially excluding a trait or characteristic.",
"That’s vodka",
"I know, it’s public land leased from forest service. It’s cool that the mentality has changed cause it certainly wasn’t like that back in the day when I would do this.",
"Who said anything about a lodge?",
"Yeah me and my cousins rented snowboards in the early 90's and it was a complete failure. We were out of control the whole time and it seemed impossible to stay up for any given period of time. Fast forward to about 2004 and I bought all my own equipment and it's night and day the amount of control and forgiveness the newer equipment has.",
"Haha Johnny tsunami was pretty much a factual documentary!!",
"Put it next to the blinker fluid you bought last week.",
"Kind of, at least in the us most resorts operate on public land, so they can charge for use of the lifts but anyone has a right to use the land. Not sure how it works up in Canada.",
"Don’t think they exist. Boards can still hurt someone if they manage to come off or someone unbinds and drops their board.",
"200k condo in the 90s? And assuming it’s just a vacation getaway condo thing so they also owned a house—Def comfortable+",
"I mean I only board and I'm 33",
"Interesting. I haven’t snowboarded in 15 years for the same reasons the other posted stated. What has changed since then? Is it really that much easier?",
"The dude with 4 fingers at the beginning used to be a snowboarder. Now they call him 9 finger Larry.",
"The amount of boarders I see sitting on their butts strapping in is way larger than the number of skiers.",
"Isn't it time you pushed a Push Pop?",
"Thank you!",
"Bro, if you were a country club you are within your rights to not let people play soccer golf on it. Same thing with skiing and snowboarding. To pretend there’s any moral issue here is insane",
"Lmao wtf are you talking about, I never said anything about salary\n\nAND if you scroll just a weeee bit further you’ll see me talking to someone else and admitting I was mistaken ;) God forbid someone was wrong! Oh no!",
"No no no. You can't have one fat ski. You must have 2 skinny skis.",
"No that episode is a rip on every 80s ski movie.",
"I’m well aware, I was more referring to vacationing in spots like Teton village or the alps \n\nAnd like I told the other dude screaming “you’re wrong!” Just scroll a bit further and you’ll see me talking with others and admiring I was mistaken. Everyone’s gotta jump in with an “AcTuAlLy!”",
"Lol pretty sure the dickhead ski patrol guy was drunk and accused the boarders of having drinks",
"Ski Patrol",
"Agreed. Also probably weren’t a whole lot of retirees taking up snow boarding….We were all teenagers once.",
"My dad is 74 and he boards regularly. We were a skiing family growing up, but we’ve all converted to boarding because it’s more fun.",
">I’m well aware, I was more referring to vacationing in spots like Teton village or the alps\n\nah got it. you are right about that.",
"Gernot Reinstadler is turning over in his grave",
"One of the worst injuries I've seen was a friend of mine on a board. He shattered both kneecaps. Can't imagine that level of pain.",
"Yeha wtf is this argument lol. I think he’s just pulling random stuff out of his ass.",
"\"No braked and they hit you like a missile.\"\n\nSure, because two skis and poles are much safer and slower...",
"\"Their plastic pegs are damaging the concrete I jump on with my metal trucks, the bastards.\"",
"Throwing out a question for everyone more in the know than me\n\nJust started skiing again after a \\~20 year break. It seems that there are a lot less boarders now then when I stopped (I'd say maybe 15% of those on the mountain). TBF, small sample size of ski centers here in the Laurentians near in Montreal.\n\nHave others noticed this?",
"Those elements that were designed with only skateboards in mind are just as useful to bmxers and scooter kids. How is it different?",
"Can step in, my dad is 74 and he purchased his first board ( with ski boots on them ) in 1992-1993, I think around the same time as we had ours. He was a ski patrol and pushed a lot for acceptance back then as he was one the only one on a snowboard. He's on the slopes at the moment with the grand-kids.",
"Snowboarding is still banned in a handful of resorts in the US",
"Yeah you right. Sorry",
"I worked on a hill in BC from 87-90. Can confirm.",
"Good old grandpa porno",
"My boss still rips. \n\n80 years old.",
"?\n\nMost people I know say skiing is much easier to learn than snowboarding.",
"Because youre a cunt that deleted most of your cunty comments",
"[Not skiblades though.](https://youtu.be/D0V2B0jLXFY) They're bad for Vermont!",
"is that Ski Patrol Lt Dangle wearing his plum smugglers while chasing down the snowboarders?",
"I did, what's your point?",
"Yeah but even that is like 1% of your time on the mountain, and once you are even slightly competent you can strap in standing up in like 30 seconds. Maybe the snowboarders around you just suck or something idk. I ride at Mt Baker where we have probably more snowboarders than skiers so our level of rider is a lot more advanced",
"You are 100 correct. I also lived through this era. I was a \"punk\" skateboarder who spent every last cent of my pizza delivery money to get up to Mt Hood from portland. We would go 2-3 times a week. Mostly night runs. And at that time only 2 of the 3 resorts would let us in. And the skiers would actually give us shit. Skateboarding was the same way. Skateboarding was Illegal downtown and on all public sidewalks and there were no public skateparks. But they were the most fun times of my life.",
"I'm not saying otherwise. It's just called discriminating when you do that.\n\nThere is no moral issue with discriminating.",
"Boards typically turn into land torpedoes because somebody ended up on terrain they can't handle, took off their board and started walking down the slope then dropped their board. The worst injuries I've seen from instances like this are non-skiers/boarders standing at the base wearing sneakers or snow boots and they catch a board to the ankle or shin. Not life threatening but looks like it hurts like hell.",
"What’s funny about this now, at least in CA there aren’t too many skiers. I would say it’s a 2:1 if not more snowboarders to skiers.",
"My boyfriend says snow boarding actually started in Manchester Vermont where he grew up. He went to school with the inventor, Jake Burton Carpenter.",
"An effective ad, I kinda want this game now",
"This is absolutely the truth. Boarders were reckless and didn't follow skiing etiquette. It's so much better now and I love skiing the snowboard parks too.",
"The cognitive dissonance is strong with those people. Constantly talking about how disrespectful the snowboarders are but how would you deal with a group of people who are basically constantly telling you to stop doing your hobby because this area is for skiers. I bet most snowboarders we're even polite, the first 20 times some old asshole came up trying to lecture them about how dangerous snowboarding is.",
"Nice. Glad to hear it!",
"The worst part about skiing is telling your parents you're gay",
"What are you doing in my mountain Stan Darsh",
"Kinda funny. But for me I'm more afraid to go back to skiing because of my knees. I know a board won't twist my legs around unlike skis. But, the shock absorption can be rough on joints also.",
"/r/confidentlyincorrect",
"\"most of em have no brakes on em\"",
"Skiing is by no means cheap but after you invest in it by getting your own gear and a season pass its not bad. For sure not one if the cheaper hobbies though.",
"Say you do 30 runs in a day. Even if you spent a minute strapping in, that's 30 minutes spent. I might be biased as I've been skiing for 20 years - but after I buckle down I basically don't touch my boots or bindings for the rest of the day. I'm in Colorado and spend most of my time at Abasin (more advanced leaning mountain), but do hit up Breck and Winter Park each year.",
"> mountains that just flat out banned snowboarding.\n\nSome still exist today, my most recent encounter being Alta near SLC.",
"Ill accept your apology on behalf of everyone that got their panties twisted over this situation, including you. Let's all just walk away from this a little bit wiser about how to talk/and how not to talk to some people.",
"I heard it’s harder to learn but easier once you get the hang of it.",
">\tLearning to snow at that old age would be a terrible idea in my opinion.\n\nNah. Think of dew forming on grass. Water droplets in the cooling air mass condense around tiny particles in the atmosphere, such as soot, pollen, dust or dirt. As the cloud containing water droplets rises into higher, cooler layers of the atmosphere, or as cooler air moves in to lower the temperature, water droplets freeze into ice and snow crystals form.",
"This video in so unbelievably relevant to the world right now. Just sayin.",
"My father also is 64, and has a seasons pass for Revelstoke. He rides all winter, and has been for the past 15 years. He is absolutely not slowing down. But we do have the “but don’t follow Phil” rule at the cabin.",
"\"Most of 'em don't even have brakes.\" \n\nRight, whereas skis all come equipped with brakes.",
"Yeah, the amount of time skiers with even the most basic proficiency spend on knees or butt=0%\n\nI see snowboarders on butts or knees at the top of each lift and also many on the way down almost any slope(cept blacks usually cuz boarders there are good enough not to need to) taking a break.",
"PR teams now would be freaking out over how the aliens got *lost while using our product!* Can't have that in the commercial!",
"You didn’t address a single thing I said. We descend the hill the same way. \n\nI hate skiers who slalom hills going top speed when it’s a blue run. I hate skiers who tear up the lip of jumps or the hop ons leading to rails. You just have a prehistoric bias to not like snowboarders.",
"Yeah it sucks",
"I've never ski'd before so i don't have anything to compare to, but I could see how that would be tough on the knees as well...",
"This has nothing to do with lodges. Its about skiable terrain only accessible via long traverses across the mountain.",
"I have a small collection of tube camcorders. Sometimes I'll hook one up through a capture card and use it a webcam. I just love technology of that era. Reminds me of my childhood.",
"Bunch of male “Karen’s”",
"So many fond memories staying at that little lodge as a kid... My family got pretty close with the owner and her kids.",
"The late 90s early 00s was the golden age of advertising on tv. There was plenty of money in tv still, everyone was taking risks to get attention from young adults so they weren't afraid to get really wierd, and technology was really ramping up.\n\nThis brought us masterpieces like the quiznos spongmonkeys and the little lad who loves berries and cream.",
"I remember snowboarding in Heavenly Valley when they would stop every snowboarder going down Gunbarrel. Are you sure!? And Alpine Meadows was the anti boarding place for a long, long time.",
"Definitely has a very local, homey vibe.",
"I don’t even have one personally, I’m just saying there’s no issue with having a problem",
"1985 more like 1984",
"Skiing is easier to learn at the start, the basics, then gets harder. Snowboarding is harder to start, but is easier to master.\n\nBut back in the 90’s, skis were straight and longer, harder to learn on. Turning was harder, you needed better balance than today’s skis. Snowboards were easier all round, you could be on the slopes by yourself after a day. Plus they were a lot cheaper, making things much more accessible to folk.\n\nIf I ever take friends to a ski resort, I teach them snowboarding because they have more fun once they learn, you can get on the main slopes after a day or so. Skiing is frustrating, you’ll still be on the gentle slopes at the end of the holidays.\n\nPlus snowboarding boots are comfortable!",
"Stupid sexy ski patrol",
"Funny thing is that I've been boarding for years and have seen so many skis flying down a run all by their lonesome after some newbie yard sales that I had no idea brakes were even a thing.",
"This video pretty much sums up politics nowadays.",
"Why aren't polar bears invisible? It's all white.",
"You'd be surprised at how many do both. Skiing and snowboarding are sports for that affluent. My fist experience on a ski hill was a week when I was 10 skiing. I started snowboarding at 14 in 1995. In 2000 I moved to whistle mt. Although I was a boarder my wealthier friend had skis and board. No I do both too.",
"Shitty disco sucks, as disco started getting big the market got over saturated with \"hello fellow kids\" corporate disco that all sounded the same.",
"You had a huge advantage with a skating background - stoked for you",
"Fukin Smark Allecs.. they tend to lip you off.. god dammit i think they were having a beer with the boys too.",
"And not only won but arguably saved the entire industry and or financially many mountains?",
"> and by nascent snowboarding community it was really jake burton and his company who pushed very very hard to make snowboarding commercial because commercialization meant all of the good things above and even if people like to complain commercialization goes against the spirit it of snowboarding….\n\nWhat? There’s something positive about “capitalism”. Never!!!! /s\n\n(Note: all for the criticisms too but nice to see a framing of the positive, is all.)",
"Dude. It’s still such an issue in the patrol world. I started on a board and they made life kinda terrible for me. But I was able to pass all their ski tests (which are totally geared toward skiers) and handle each type of medical aid call on a board, despite how steep the runs were, which they still, to this day, argue can’t be done well without skis. The judgement remains. \n\nThere are still resorts which won’t let boarders in… it’s so silly, but the skier holdouts will cling to their arguments seemingly forever.",
"I mean why not? Both are obviously a menace to society.",
"It made me think of that movie too! Haven’t thought of it in years.",
"“Shut Up LAVA MOUTH!!!!”",
"Or these knees",
"Yes-ish. In the last few years I’ve been hit by a boarder doing a hard blindside turn. My mothers been hit by a boarder going to fast with not enough control. My daughter has been thrown into the bushes by a boarder going too fast that clipped her. That’s just my immediate family. Most skiers I know have been physically harmed by boarders at some point but never by a skier. The equipment is better but I think they are a little like a high power sports car in that they are more challenging to control under difficult conditions at speed and riders end up beyond their skill level and hit things or people. I think it’s harder to get out of control on skies or that skies are more forgiving at beginner and intermediate skill levels than snowboards. \n\nI welcome snowboarders and am against prejudice. It would be Interesting to see statistics with regard to snowboarders and skiers and skill levels.",
"That's enough of your lip buddy",
"My father in law (72 years old) is the only mono-skier I know. One time in Les Deux Alpes we met a French mono-skier (around 2002) but that’s about it.",
"The very early snowboards did not have bindings or if they did it was just a strap over your foot that you used with normal winter shoes instead of purpose made ones that could very easily come come off your feet. That is why in the early days if they allowed you on the hill they required a leash.\n\nNow that we have proper bindings and boots it is no longer an issue.",
"1985 mountain Karens",
"Snowbird, Brighton, Park City, and Solitude can't convince them to come? They aren't missing much at Deer Valley and the Alta traverses would be awful on a board.",
"I ski pretty much weekly in CO. I’d say it’s about 60/40 skiers to boarders.",
"I was exaggerating for effect, it’s like that with a lot of things even now. I’m mostly just wondering why people don’t educate themselves a little and why people are just so change averse. Anything new or different and a lot of old people just collectively lose their minds. They also then actually sound irritatingly similar to the old man yells at cloud dude.\n\nI also said he said something stupid and not he is stupid.",
"Snowboards never had and never will have brakes and leashes haven't been a thing for decades. A leash made sense when proper bindings and boots did not exist but now they are useless.\n\nA leash only makes sense if the ski/snowboard can come off due to fall and the ski/snowboard does not have some way of stopping itself. Modern ski bindings include brakes and modern snowboards just do not come off during a fall and thus no need for a leash on either. \n\n(There are some touring and telemark bindings for skis that do not have brakes that you should use a leash with)",
"I always wanted to be a snowboarder. I thought skiing looked so pretentious as a kid, haha. Snowboarding seemed so much cooler. \n\nI took lessons once and found out the hard way that I’m god awful at it. Two hour lessons and I spent the majority of it falling on my face, and every other prt of me. I kept tryi g to lift my feet like a dumbass, lmao. At the end of the lessons- these were group lessons- the teacher actually told the class he’d never seen someone fail so much, and yet keep trying lmao. \n\nI will say, though, the only way to get back down from the area was to snowboard down a small bunny slope. I still wasn’t very good, and there was a woman sitting in the snow in the middle of the damned slope. I dod everything I could remember to avoid smashing into her, but this stupid woman sat there the whole time, and my board was INTENT on hitting her for some reason. Finally said “i’ll do the one thing i’m good at” and threw myself backward. Skidded right up to her and tapped her back with the board, and she had the AUDACITY to look at me like i’d done ot on purpose. I was like eleven and nearly chewed her out for sitting IN THE MIDDLE OF A BEGINNER SLOPE. \n\nTl;dr Snowboarding can definitely be dangerous if you’ve got no clue what you’re doing, lol.",
"It's more that I want to ski with them, not drop them off at a different mountain. So i go to Colorado instead if snowboarders are coming with.",
"oooh boomer problems. a lot of people can't afford to ski anymore.",
">a guy like that we'd strongly recommend sticking to the bunny slopes today, but he wouldn't have known that back then.\n\nIt was every snowboarders first year of snowboarding in this video. It's just common sense. Fill a mountain with first year skiers and you get the same thing.\n\n\nedit: on an unrelated note, my father had his leg absolutely shattered by a snowboarder. I snowboard though. Wonder if he's disappointed.",
"They do allow skiers at all those other resorts lmao you don't have to ditch your friends. But yeah Colorado is great love heading out there sounds like y'all got it figured out.",
"This is totally random but I can't get over how much the guy at 0:30 sounds like Glenn the manager from Superstore.",
"Snowboards still don't have brakes, and leashes are worthless. The only time you ever pop out of your front binding is if your taking the board off, so the leash is coming off too.\n\nAlso, idk what you're talking about with the lifts. They were never changed to accommodate boards. I regularly use some ancient lifts just fine. T-bars can admittedly be a bit tiresome, but they're easily doable.",
"“Most of ‘‘em have no brakes on them”. Do any of them have brakes on them?",
"That old guy’s voice affect sounds just like the tech billionaire in “Don’t Look Up”",
"Ssshhhh!",
"😂 people always move to suppress that which isnt their normal. Imagine if the first uboats and submarines were regulated to the trash heap, the Wright brothers first planes were disasters, even laughable.",
"I am pro snow gliding on whatever you choose. But id say one isnt better than the other, more dependent on conditions and what you like to hit. On a deep powder day, def rather be on a snowboard... Icy north east conditions? Skis all day, every day, lol",
"This same behavior is common among people living in their vans and utility trucks - its almost like homeowners and police are victimizing them for avoiding nonsense like mortgages and rent. Not cool.",
"I understand that, my point is I have never seen skiers having issues with crossing boot tracked terrain. Lodges is one example of heavily boot tracked terrain, traverses is another, base areas, lifts, summits, etc. All heavy boot traffic, all crossed by skiers with no trouble. It seems like a made up excuse to me.",
"> i mean look at the first guy surfing downhill on that board with what modern boarders would consider absolutely no control whatsoever.\n\nHe just looked like a beginner. He has no less control than beginner skiers.",
"would love a 2021 follow up with these ppl",
"Wtf are you on about? Most resorts will kick you out if they find out you’re snowboarding without a leash. People have literally been killed by runaway skis and boards.\n\n>\tthere are no brakes on a snowboard\n\nYes, this is exactly why you are supposed to wear a leash, it’s also the reason why pretty much all modern ski bindings have prongs",
"I started in ‘87 in Colorado, and it was really hard finding any rental places that rented snowboards those first few years. My brother and I got a lot of attention from skiers- some of it was curiosity, but there was definitely a lot of hostility, and if they happened to realize I was a girl I got the sexist bullshit as well. We had leashes on our boards from day 1, and back then the only two names you could find were Burton and Kemper. I still have my first board, a Kemper, which we rode using Sorels.",
"They had Burton boards in the video, the technology was fine.",
"There are expensive things that white people like to do that black people do not like to do.\n\nJust as there are expensive things that black people like to do that white people do not...\n\n[https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause)",
"I think the big change was resorts actually grooming areas to allow for that.",
"Actual footage from Alta 2021",
"https://youtu.be/o0nMxxRU6Js\n\nRIP Jake",
"Good lord Deer Valley *still* doesn't allow snowboarders?",
"Shhhhh no need to bring up pow mow.",
"That was the first Disney Channel original movie I believe",
"Personally I’ve seen an increase in the number and quality of terrain parks, which the majority of snowboarders seem more interested in than regular slopes",
"Mount Seymour represent!!!!",
"Yeah I'm just relying on my subjective observations. I don't think snowboarding is dying.",
"Part of the issue is most adults who were skiing knew how to ski, but boarding was so new that everyone was a beginner. Out of control beginners are an issue no matter what, and bombing a hill on a snowboard can be really problematic if you lose control (skis too, but I think a wedge is a lot easier than a hockey stop so skis don’t tend to go as fast).",
"Snowboards = immigrants, black people, gay people, abortion rights, etc",
"I ran a ski lift right after college in 1988, I remember snow boarders were just beginning to be accepted. We always had to enforce rules about their boards having metal edges. \n\nEventually after a few short years, that resort built a terrain bowl area for them. Quite the turnaround.",
"I remember this era. I’m a skier but glad to have boarders..I like that attire better too",
"I was a kid in the 80s, but my parents met in ski club (not rich, just passionate), so I was skiing a lot early on. The only time I got rammed into was a snowboarder out of control who nearly broke my arm. It was pretty easy to have disdain for people who couldn’t control their speed on a crowded slope.",
"I don't remember my skis having leashes ever. Is that new?",
"They weren't as hard to control as people made them out to be. Once Burton came out with their boards (like the ones in the video) they were very much in control.",
"The fat skis can hardly hold an edge in my experience though. So I go with stiff carvers unless there is fresh powder",
"This commercial has lived rent free in my head since the 4th grade.",
"My mom grew up in Austria and at 78 is still the most fluid, natural skier I’ve ever seen. Learning from her sucked, she had NO patience for fear. “You’re not going to crash, just stop” and “you didn’t need to crash, you could have just stopped” were the tough love that made me the enthusiastic but somewhat fearful skier I am today.",
"Unless your bindings tear out. ;p",
"Lol really? That’s insane",
"Yeah I invested in some boots last year and that was a game changer. This year I’m doing season ski rentals which I can swap out and got a season pass. Next year I’ll probably get my own skis.",
"Yeah I invested in some boots last year and that was a game changer. This year I’m doing season ski rentals which I can swap out and got a season pass. Next year I’ll probably get my own skis.",
"Lol come on now, you can't seriously miss the point that badly, are you incapable of viewing the world in anything other than absolutes? Poorer people *generally* tend to partake in activities which are cheaper and vice versa, that's not some super abstract concept. Why do you honestly believe that on the vast majority of skiing resorts in the US that there will be a significantly lower percentage of black people than the percentage of black people of the whole population of the US? Do you think it's a coincidence? Or do you think black people are genetically predisposed to not like skiing? \n\nIt's because, as far as recreational activities go, it's easily among the more expensive and black people on average have historically not been in a socioeconomic position to take part in it. The original commenter wasn't literally saying that no black person has ever skied in the history of of the world, they were making a joke about pretty well-established racial dynamics in the US.",
"Fuckin boomers man",
"I’m a skier and I couldn’t give a shit about snowboarders, it’s like the Mets/Yankees “rivalry”, its all in good sport. Obviously this video is ridiculous especially the quintessential 80s ski patrol guy, but there is a small point to be made that it seems like the snowboarders didn’t figure out how to stop yet. Now they can both be just as agile, but it was a brand new sport then so it hadn’t evolved yet.",
"YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY?",
"Those pesky Luanda Bay Boys are back at it again!",
"Um.. I've been snowboarding literally all over the country, not once have I seen someone use a leash. The rule is always have one foot in the board, never take it off on hill. Not once have I seen a resort require or even *suggest* a leash.",
"Yup, it's been a problem with FPV goggles for a while now, especially since they're used outdoors 90% of the time",
"“I don’t care. It’s going up his ass.”",
"Not a jingle, but rather, that's a song released in 1981 by Trio called \"Da da da.\"\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYcviXK4rg",
"Seriously. I’ve worked in the ski industry for 10 years and it blows my mind that people think this way. I’ve yet so see any data suggesting it’s true and my personal experiences have taught me that assholes are assholes regardless of what they have strapped to their feet.",
"A metaphor for all generational conflicts",
"I skated for years. My trucks never chunked concrete out of ledges. The spot at my school we skated alot had like 6 ledges both skaters and bikers rode at. The ones high enough for bikers to grind were rough and had large peices taken out of em. The ones too short were smooth all the way through. Maybe you just have to have seen it.",
"If I could put a little context here. Look at these snowboarders. Look at how clumsy they are compared to modern boarders. Well, in 1985, if I had seen these guys I would have respected them, instead, I got to see snowboarders stand up and scrape as much snow as humanly possible from the top of the hill to the bottom.\n\n\nThen ski slopes started putting in snowboarding areas, and then they got a technique down that didn't destroy the runs for everyone else.\n\n\nNow, the antiboarders here are making a bad case for themselves, but yeah, early snowboarders sucked. I'm glad things have improved since then.",
"my earliest memories of snowboarders were of guys sliding down the hill sideways, scraping off all the loose snow. As people got better, I stopped seeing that, or at least no more often than a skier out of his element doing the same thing.",
"Most skis don’t have leashes, they have prongs that pop down when the binding disengages to stop the ski from sliding off on its own",
"I belive they were straight back then.",
"That and when they would mess up and slam their crank down on it. That noise was always heart breaking to hear lol. I didnt hate bikers for being bikers. I thought that shit took talent. Just hated what it did to spots.",
"You still ride it like a snowboard on the descent but it skins like a pair of (wide and relatively short) skis.",
">I mean that it was a sport mostly reserved for the privileged and wealthy.\n\nThat goes against what I knew of the sport in the 80s relayed to me by family.\n\nIn 1987, my dad lived in a barn with his cousin and a friend at the same college. They still managed to go skiing multiple times a season. He says nowadays its so expensive it really is an elite thing, but back in the 80s a couple of college kids who literally live in a barn could make the trip multiple times a year up to New Mexico.",
"What’s the difference between a snowboarder and a vacuum cleaner?\n\nThe way the dirtbag is attached",
"I thought you linked a sub about really weird mold",
"Brighton was my first snowboarding experience and it will be hard not to keep going back. The park is fun, the slopes are enough that my not-novice partner had fun on even the easier runs. And, most importantly, the people and staff were *incredibly* friendly and cool.\n\nI love Brighton!",
"Skiing is still a sport reserved for the privileged and the wealthy.",
"So, you are saying that something new might be developing and growing? Like everything else? Who woulda thought",
"Also skiers fucking ruin powder and make moguls. Ever seen how fucked up and unrideable snow gets after skiers have done their lame 80’s S-turns all the way downs a powdery bowl? \n I also want to punch every skier i see when they walk in their boots and do that goofy ass heel to toe walk.",
"Skiers do the exact same thing when they slide down the mountain sideways",
"Don’t forget Luck of the Irish and Smart House",
"The wider skis keep you closer to the surface of the snow so you get more float.",
"Alta used to allow snowboarders, but the traverses got booted out. That’s it. Have you ever been to Alta? If not, you’re making assumptions with bad data. For shame.",
"> The analogy doesn't reflect the reality that skateboarders aren't complaining about people not riding skateboards. \n\nLongboards still get a huge amount of hate, even though the longboarders aren't in the park but on the hill",
"I skiied right next to Alta for years, at Snowbird. I never knew this.",
"As a kid around 15 years ago I was skiing down a slope with my dad and I was hit by a snowboarder from behind, knocked into the ground and the woman just laughed and didn’t even stop. At the time we just faulted snowboarders for being dangerous but really it was one asshole.",
"I used a leash on a rental set I had once with clip in bindings. It makes sense on those because snow can get in the lock and it may come undone if it's not locked correctly. My other boards with normal strap bindings never had leashes.",
"Wow I didn't know Alta was still like that. I went there...sometime in the late 90's, we stayed at Snowbird where snowboarding was fine but over at Alta it was a no-go. Coincidentally me and my 12 year old friend went down a black diamond we had no business being on because my dad was just like, \"Sure fine, I'll meet you at the bottom, cya!\"\n\nAlso the same ski trip I got to watch as my uncle slightly pushed my dad off the chair lift...it was like 50F at the bottom of the mountain and there was a big mud puddle my dad fell in. To this day, still hilarious to me to think of my dad swearing at my uncle while covered in mud with a bunch of people in the ski-lift line watching. \"Fuck you Ritchie, you fucking pushed me!!\"",
"Lol so true. My buddy always said “surfers hate all other surfers”. You pull up to check spots or paddle out to a lineup and people give you death stares sometimes. Within surfing, shortboarders hate longboarders, longboarders hate midlength riders, midlength riders think they are better than everyone. A lot of hate for a sport that revolves around peace, love, and nature",
"phantom of the megaplex and Moms got a date with a Vampire!!",
"Omg I screamed. I've often wondered if I've ever immediately sounded like a hypocrite before. This shit is so cringe.",
"Ok Jerry.",
"I started boarding in the 90s and I remember there were places we couldn't go. I also remember skiers pushing me over and whipping me there poles as they went by. I was about ten years old and already knew how to ski. Bunch a cock gobblers then, many still are.",
"That makes sense, forgot about those.",
"Yeah, I think back then the big name in video graphics was Quantel and their Paintbox suite",
"Yeah I was gonna say. I snowboard and I can see the people he’s referencing as being a little unbecoming and wreckless lol",
"And about 200 skiers got stuck on a ski left for hours at Deer Valley the other day",
"Ok ok, but also even steven’s movie and cadet Kelly",
"Ski resorts I went to as a kid had the slope etiquette posted all over, especially around the beginner lifts. I think it was printed in the resort maps too that you got with your lift ticket or could just grab in a lodge. You’d get thrown off the mountain if you don’t follow it’s table stakes if you want to be on the mountain.",
"That's not what discrimination means.",
"Been boarding since ‘84. My first time was in Killington, VT and they only allowed us on 2 bunny runs! I was not about to pay full ticket price for 2 runs so we went to Pico, down the road. They took one look at us with our boards all confused and said, “we’ll take your money!”",
"Ive been snowboarding all my life so I guess I don't really see the big deal about the 30 seconds it takes to strap in one boot? 30 runs is also an absolute shitload, you would need to be doing hot laps nonstop all day with no lines to get that many in. I do plenty of backcountry touring on a splitboard and bootpacking into side country and have never really had an issue, or once thought I'd rather ski just because of having to strap in. I know a lot more skiiers who've moved to snowboarding because they are way more fun in deep powder than skis, though I admit skiiers have the best edge while touring. I also like to skate, surf, wakeboard, and shit so I prefer a board in general.",
"Also a commentary on resistance to change.",
"Yeah Marble Mountain!!! You have till Dec 31st at Midnight to get your season pass this year! Now start the kitchen party!!!!! Wooooo",
"I grew up skiing and eventually switched to snowboarding because I liked it more but remember as a skier thinking, \"God these snowboarders never ride, always just sitting on the mountain...\" Then I got a snowboard....and proceeded to sit on various places of the mountain to chill, thought it was great and very peaceful.",
">around the beginner lifts\n\n\n\n\nSure. Which would have required them to be allowed to ride the lift. Which in the 80s, snowboarders were not.",
"This was filmed at Mount Seymour, North Vancouver.",
"Same. I started in 97 and although you could board in the French Alps where we would go, some skiiers still looked at us funny",
"I was a liftee back then, when boards were banned and then unbanned. \n\nBoarders somehow had a hard time managing the lifts well at first and statistically held things up more often, just like beginner skiers. The infrastructure didn’t know what to do with them. \n\nBoarders had less control due to the primitive boards and being noobs. People got run over or blocked, the chaos was sometimes amusing but mostly a roadrage situation. \n\nTook a decade to normalize.",
"I guarantee you have seen hundreds of people wearing a leash if what you’re saying is true, you probably just didn’t notice it because most are extremely small and can be easily missed. Often they’re clipped into the boot laces and mostly covered up by the binding.\n\nIt’s definitely become less of a focus over the past 10 years, but the majority of resorts still technically have rules that state snowboarders can’t get on a lift without a leash. The stoned high schooler running the lift probably isn’t enforcing it unless you have step in bindings, but if his manager notices you’re probably not going up until you go to the shop and buy a $5 leash. If you try and come back without one they will take your pass, I’ve seen this happen multiple times at different resorts throughout the country.",
"Fuckin urchins need to stay outta the sky's territory",
"Also a commentary on resistance to change.",
"Damn for real? I grew up like 15 minutes from Alta. I’d ski there all the time but I could’ve sworn I snowboarded there. Maybe it was Snowbird",
"Nope, but snowboarded in Utah and Colorado a lot, lots of places with traverses, never seen skiers have the issues you described. Alta has banned snowboards since the 80's, back then resorts came up with lots of bogus reasons for banning boarders. The vast majority have since seen the error of their ways and lifted their bans. Alta is one of the last holdouts. Yep, i could well be wrong, just stating my opinion. Have a good one.",
"These are for if you get separated from the board so it doesn't go flying down the mountain on its own. Less of a concern with a modern board, but those early ones didn't have as robust of an attachment to the boarder as they do now. Basically any ski hill requires breaks on the skis; they automatically deploy when the skis come off the binding so they aren't missiles heading down the slopes.",
"this aged well",
"I liked that part too about drinking. Like no skier ever on that mountain didn’t have a flask in their coat pocket.",
"I used to ski as a kid and I snowboard now but I’m the late 90s you’re totally right. Snowboarders just sat all over the damn trails. Now a days I don’t ever see people doing that.",
"As a skier only, I just want to say thank you snowboarders for saving our industry!",
"Yes they do?? They're required at probably the vast majority of ski hills",
"Depends on where you are",
"K",
"Less-skilled people can go faster than their abilities/stopping power",
"Yeah, other than this one thing, the 80s were very tolerant",
"Took me awhile to realize this isn’t fucki mold",
"Some resorts absolutely require snowboard leashes but it’s uncommon these days.",
"There is a limits. Powder skis are one thing. 100mm under foot all mountain ski is what I’m referring to.",
"Damn, did a skier break your heart or something?",
"Slope etiquette is also common sense. Basically “don’t be out of control, be aware of your surroundings, and don’t be a douche” lol.",
"Did someone ever get gramps some sunglasses?!",
"Yeah it for sure is. When you get your own skiis I also recommend getting a wax and tuning kit as well. You'll quickly save a few bucks doing that yourself as well.",
"considering only 14% of the US is black, then factor in that the majority of them live in the south, you are way off base.\n\n[https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/fact-sheet/facts-about-the-us-black-population/all-blacks\\_geography-map/](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/fact-sheet/facts-about-the-us-black-population/all-blacks_geography-map/)\n\nany black friends I have dont have the slightest interest in skiing, not due to money, but because they dont want to.",
"38 here just picked up snowboarding last year and love it",
"How early do you have to start to hike them?",
"Back in the day as a skier I really wanted to ride the new snowboard park when I was in Killington but at the time skiers weren’t allowed in board parks. Had to cut through the woods over to the park and managed to go over two of their tabletops. Got chased by irate snowboarders rest of the way down the hill. Good times :)",
"That has the be the same man the did the narrator voice for George of the Jungle, right?",
"Man... I'd bet people would just be terrified of a gay socialist snowboarder who was eating Monsanto grown carrots then... talk about as scary as it gets...",
"I love red river and angel fire, great ski places",
"I love red river and angel fire, great ski places",
"I love red river and angel fire, great ski places",
"I love red river and angel fire, great ski places",
"That's why I specifically said a lower percentage of black people than that of the entire population. You can't be this dense dude, there's a reason why participants in sports like golfing, sailing, skiing, rowing, equestrian-related sports etc are overwhelming white and it's because they're all far more expensive than average activities. This is an incredibly well-established phenomenon and it's pretty bloody simple, how are you this naive? Poorer people participate and develop a culture for the activities they have access to. The average income for black households is significantly lower than that of white households, obviously a far lower percentage of black people will be financially capable of shelling out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go skiing, that's not a complicated concept.",
"That's why I specifically said a lower percentage of black people than that of the entire population. You can't be this dense dude, there's a reason why participants in sports like golfing, sailing, skiing, rowing, equestrian-related sports etc are overwhelming white and it's because they're all far more expensive than average activities. This is an incredibly well-established phenomenon and it's pretty bloody simple, how are you this naive? Poorer people participate and develop a culture for the activities they have access to. The average income for black households is significantly lower than that of white households, obviously a far lower percentage of black people will be financially capable of shelling out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go skiing, that's not a complicated concept.",
"That's why I specifically said a lower percentage of black people than that of the entire population. You can't be this dense dude, there's a reason why participants in sports like golfing, sailing, skiing, rowing, equestrian-related sports etc are overwhelming white and it's because they're all far more expensive than average activities. This is an incredibly well-established phenomenon and it's pretty bloody simple, how are you this naive? Poorer people participate and develop a culture for the activities they have access to. The average income for black households is significantly lower than that of white households, obviously a far lower percentage of black people will be financially capable of shelling out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go skiing, that's not a complicated concept.",
"Yep. I’m in my 40’s and first tried snowboarding a few years ago. I only needed a half day lesson to get comfortable on the board and make sure I wasn’t doing anything obviously wrong. The only background I had was skiing a few times and some very basic skateboarding from 20 years before.\n\nJust having the understanding of balancing and pivoting on a board goes a long way.",
"Why not answer the question instead of being a dick?",
"Why not answer the question instead of being a dick?",
"That's why I specifically said a lower percentage of black people than that of the entire population. You can't be this dense dude, there's a reason why participants in sports like golfing, sailing, skiing, rowing, equestrian-related sports etc are overwhelming white and it's because they're all far more expensive than average activities. This is an incredibly well-established phenomenon and it's pretty bloody simple, how are you this naive? Poorer people participate and develop a culture for the activities they have access to. The average income for black households is significantly lower than that of white households, obviously a far lower percentage of black people will be financially capable of shelling out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to go skiing, that's not a complicated concept.",
"I'm pretty casual. Looking at my Epic Mix, the last time I was at Breck I did 13 runs before lunch (9-12:30). Seems pretty normal to me to average 25-30 runs in a day - around 30k vertical feet. But maybe that's just because I'm skiing and not boarding, lol :)\n\nIn the end it doesn't really matter much to me if someone boards or ski. All I know is I'm getting new snow tires on my car this Tuesday, and hitting up Abasin on Wednesday (since we've finally been getting some good snow!)",
"If you change snowboard for anti vax, and ski for vaccinated, it kinda funny.",
"/u/SaveVideo",
"Oof. Not how I'd want to spend the day",
"People straight up do not believe me when I say this used to be a thing.\n\nLike, since snowboarding is so expensive compared to surfing and skateboarding, people just assume they were always welcomed at resorts bc season passes and lift tickets lol",
"If my memory serves me correctly I believe this was the plot of Johnny Tsunami.",
"Fuckin Brink.",
"Why they gotta be stoned? Can’t they be drunk?",
"Most complaints I've heard about snowboarders are that they carve all the powder off and leave large icy patches behind. Then again, I started skiing in the middle of the EXTREME craze in the 90s, and snowboards were much more popular by then.",
"I'm pretty casual. Looking at my Epic Mix, the last time I was at Breck I did 13 runs before lunch (9-12:30). Seems pretty normal to me to average 25-30 runs in a day - around 30k vertical feet. But maybe that's just because I'm skiing and not boarding, lol :)\n\nIn the end it doesn't really matter much to me if someone boards or ski. All I know is I'm getting new snow tires on my car this Tuesday, and hitting up Abasin on Wednesday (since we've finally been getting some good snow!)",
"Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, talk to anyone who knows their stuff and they’ll tel you skiing is easier to learn and harder to master. Both are because you have two edges.",
"Good. Not everyone wants to ski on ice sheets.",
"It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about and just want to be angry.",
"I've really never experienced that as a boarder tbh.\n\nThe worst I've had was in a mixed group of riders at the top of the lift, the skiers will usually make some jokingly snide comment about waiting for the boarders to strap up. But even that's just banter",
"Yes they do... Why are you talking about something you have no idea about?",
"Been boarding for a few years, and yeah aside from the idiot kids that are using rental snowboards like sleds, I've seen more skis go flying.",
"I wonder how much you'd love it if a snowboarder lost control of their board and let it fall down the hill at 50mph into you.",
"I feel like, on the Icecoast anyway, snowboarding was way more popular 20 years ago than it is now. I used to see boards on the slopes all the time, now it's vast majority skis.\n\nMy son skis, all his friends ski except one. Anecdotal of course, but I kinda get it. It's easier to get on and off the lifts, it's easier to move around on flat ground, they're easier to maneuver when dismounted.\n\nBut damn is cruising on a board fun.",
"Got clobbered by an out-of-control boarder twenty-five years ago; broken ribs and pelvis. He got back up and disappeared I got a trip down the hill with the ski patrol and many weeks of rehab. Haven’t skied since.",
"In Alberta you had to take lessons and pass a test and wear a snowboard license around your neck at all times. No such requirements for skiers obviously, which would have been in 1985 or so. I found it comical because 1) skiers didn’t have to do this, and 2) if you lose control on a snowboard you generally fall over fast, unlike skis where it’s easy for novices to lean back, and French fry down the hill until they slam into something or someone. And now snowboarders outnumber skiers at most resorts. \n\n\nalso in before the “why do you hate skiers” I started skiing I think at 4, my kids started at 6.",
"Old school for sure.. I remember the old Poma lift on Peak 8. The T-bar is still there. You also were likely skiing/riding 6 chair. Now they've added Imperial chair, takes you to almost the top of peak 8.",
"Skiers and their weird obsession with moguls.",
"That's a big difference in culture that I picked up on right away when I moved from California to Mass in the 90s. It's a whole production to go skiing in CA, unless you live in Tahoe or someplace similar. Gear was expensive and you had to travel a bit, so it was always a ski-trip not just an afternoon. It was definitely a wealthy person's sport. \n\nMost working class people didn't even own winter clothing appropriate for skiing let alone skis, because of the climate in most of California. I lived in Northern California and never owned a proper coat let alone snow boots or winter clothing. Never needed knit gloves, let alone the kind you would wear in the snow. When you factor in that a person would need to buy all of what all New Englanders own simply as a matter of course for daily winter living, just to slide down a mountain in the cold on a couple of expensive pieces of wood after driving for hours to get there -- well you can see why working class people didn't really participate.",
"Later in life? 10 and up is not later in life lol.",
"This is absurdly Canadian.",
"In Colorado it’s law that you have to have a leash on your snowboard. \nI have never seen a snowboard with a leash attached.",
"HaHa \"they are like a missiles and have no breaks on.\"",
"It is also that many of the hills in the same area are with different companies, there is a large amount of separate equipment rental services on-site, and even the restaurants and bars on the hill may be independent of the ski hill.",
"Small price to pay for skiing in the French Alps! I’m in Washington State, and looking forward to when I can afford a boarding trip over there.",
"What a great description of what's happening politically in the US. People now embrace fascism, and have forgotten we fought wars against fascism.",
"This aged like Milk.",
"I’d say that’s right. My kids started boarding and were having a tough time getting it. One just switched to skiing and caught on to the basics very quickly.",
"Some skiers would yell \"dicks are for chicks\" at snowboarders in the 80s in the Sierras. It was really weird.\n\n\n\n\n\nI never understood the hate. I've been skiing since I could walk. I've also tried snowboarding, I suck at it. The only person that snowboard was dangerous to was me, lol. My friends board, I still ski.",
"ITT: Sovereign citizen types",
"Huh, oddly explains my dad's hate of snowboarders. He would skii in his teen years.",
"I wonder what video we will be watching in 2040 that will seem as equally ridiculous as this...",
"Yeah, I lived in France at the time :) was my first time ever seeing snow too.\n\nEdit: I hope you make it, it's beautiful. Consider Italy or Austria also, they can be cheaper. Look for rental deals off season. Switzerland can be a lot more expensive but still worth a look :)",
"Goddamn that’s ingenious",
"Old man shakes fist and yells at the clouds!",
"This is totally anecdotal, but I remember specifically my mom making me ski instead of snowboarding in the winter because “snowboarding is for hoodlums”.\n\nWhile that wasn’t *directly* due to her Catholicism, it was the same type of attitude. The completely benign act of snowboarding, according to her, was just something “sinful” people did.",
"Skiing is more versatile and less stressful. And I say that as someone who only snowboarded for a decade before learning to ski. \n\nIf the piste is icy, snowboarding is a lot more stressful than skiing, as you only have one edge between you and a bail. On steep slopes, you're always cutting off your vision when turning into the slope. And, this is subjective, but snowboarding tires me out a lot faster. Constantly moving your center of gravity around while twisting your neck to see because yoru back is to the action really takes it out of me in a way skiing doesn't, especially when doing lots of short, sharp turns to control speed. \n\nSkiing is just a more relaxing experience overall. I can always lift a ski and adjust my balance without having to throw myself in the air, if I approach an awkward patch of snow or unseen obstacle I can manage it in a more elegant way, I can always keep an eye on other skiers without wringing my neck, and can take in the view more easily. \n\nEspecially as I get older and stiffer, skiing is just the more attractive option to enjoy my holiday, relax, and take in the view.",
"Right. I mean, there's *no way* that *nobody* high fives before 1977. \n\nBut the one in 1977 happened on TV. And it spread like wildfire.\n\n(Same with \"Go big or go home\" coming from surfing culture in the 90s. I'm sure it was said before then, but a few movies and TV shows made it super well known in 1999)",
"Every person I this video used to ski in jeans… today they wear Bogners",
"Love your compromising approach.",
"As a resentmen, i am someone",
"This video didn’t age too well. Also the slopes in 1985 look terrible compared to now days.",
"This was the '80s, he's dead now.",
"go back a few hundred years and you'll find many people didn't make it to 20.\n\nIn his time you could expect to make it to the late 30s but those first 10 years were rougher than you've likely had it.\n\nFor example several of his 5 kids died early\n\n>During the First World War Planck's second son Erwin was taken prisoner by the French in 1914, while his oldest son Karl was killed in action at Verdun. Grete died in 1917 while giving birth to her first child. Her sister died the same way two years later, after having married Grete's widower.\n\nedit: nothing I said was untrue, and nothing the throw away account said is untrue other than saying my comment is way off.",
"I mostly board in Colorado and have never had someone say a word about not having a leash. I didn't even know that was a thing",
"skiing, golf, tennis are traditionally enjoyed by wealthy white people. please show me all of the black people or other people of color in this video. im not saying anyone is purposely being racist, but people complaining about skiing is about as much of a rich white person problem you can have. its right up there with washing ones boat or finding furniture for your summer home",
"Apparently everyone wears helmets now too",
"care to provide examples?",
"Lots of people in this thread that have only been on the mountain a handful of times more than a handful of years ago.",
"At the resorts I went to that the boarders were overwhelmingly asses the first couple of seasons they were riding the lifts too.",
"I definitely still see it from time to time, but generally just on beginner slopes. For the most part etiquette has evolved enough that it's not an issue.",
"No worries, snowboarding isn't cool anymore. People are switching to skiing in droves.",
"My favorite were the boarders who would sit on their asses just out of sight in the middle of a run contemplating their next radical manoeuver. \n\nDon't see as much of that these days",
"What does that have to do with it? It’s true in Canada too. It’s true on the CBC, who still regularly put out pieces just like this one showing two relatively uncooperative sides to an issue.",
"Realistically it would never come up unless your board got loose and hurt someone or caused some damage. If that happened you’d surely lose the law suit.",
"wonder how they feel about snowblades",
"[S.M.P.](https://youtu.be/_m1mw52W0CY)",
"Ice definitely sucks on a board.",
"Literally 1984",
"Deer Valley, also in UT.",
"Are these strangers in danger?",
"Or could be that snowboarders tend to be more blue collar, and skiing was more of a white-collar sport. Your average snowboarder was young, and your average skier was older. This happened out west, outside of the Bible belt. People at West tend to more spiritual rather than into organized religion. The population density over there doesn't lend itself to organized religion.",
"Some states and mountains have those policies and honestly I think it's just ignorance and inertia. I don't use one, but I keep one with me just in case.\n\nThey made sense back in the day when bindings were crap and could come off easily, but that's just not the case anymore. Modern bindings are strong. If you take a big enough hit to pop both bindings, the leash doesn't stand much of a chance, let alone the even weaker spot on the boot that it's attached to (boa life) or the plastic clip for leg straps.\n\nAs for taking the board off, the leash still doesn't help. The two most dangerous moments, in regards to runaway boards, is removing the foot from the unstrapped binding and storing the board. In both cases the leash is already undone.\n\nI say ignorance because I assume these rules are made either by skiiers or people who do neither. Either way, I don't expect them to innately understand those points because they wouldn't have experienced them.\n\nI say inertia because the rule does no harm, so why change it.\n\nTLDR: I hate leashes.",
"Fair enough. It’s Still funny thinking of 10 as later in life lol.",
"There’s so much whiteness! My eyes!",
"it's just kinda a worse version of both TBH.",
"“Most of them have no brakes on them….” 😂",
"This is a great take, but please don't forget about Tom Sims, a peer of Jake's and equally important in the development of the sport. Hes just not as well remembered because the Sims brand failed to keep up in tech as he got older and handed over control of the company.\n\nFrom Wiki: \"He and John Murray made what they called a \"skiboard,\" combining their two favorite sports, skiing and skateboarding... Sims was the primary snowboarding stunt double for \"007\" (Roger Moore) in the 1985 James Bond film A View to a Kill, which helped popularize both the snowboard and its usage.\"",
"Snowboarding is still not allowed at a few resorts, Alta in Utah comes to mind. I’m a snowboarding instructor but to play devils advocate, if a bunch of first timers rent boards, get hammered in the lot, and refuse to take lessons, its definitely dangerous for other people and it kinda gives boarders a bad look. This happens all the time and a lot of older skiers still hold this bias against the whole snowboarding community.",
"> so you can imagine this video wasn't particularly unfair\n\n They still called them smart alecks, claimed many of them weren't sober, said they give too much 'lip' and stuff lol.\n\n The video was definitely unfair, and its attitudes like in the video that forced the situation you're talking about where someone like Jake Burton has to push an entire industry / community. I'd argue if people didn't act like chumps to early snowboarders, the hobby would have developed naturally on its own.",
"If they just give up and go away forever then we won't have any problems anymore and it'll all be kumbai ya",
"Yep and that's not where people would usually ski.",
"I really should redact this statement, you're right. I can't let reddit ruin my favorite trip.",
"Me too, specifically the precise way the skier says \"delinquent\"",
"Definitely not started in California",
"This video aged like milk.",
"Like the snowball effect?",
"Unpopular Opinion: Snowboards carve up slopes in a way that creates a washboard effect for skiers. It is irritating. I've also had issues with snowboarders stopping and sitting on the downhill side of a rise, where you need to quickly turn to evade then and not crash into them.\n\nI still would like there to be different slopes for snowboarders and skiers. The carving that snowboarders do can ruin a hill for a skier if it's heavily traveled. With that said, I don't really care and haven't had any problem sharing larger mountains with snowboarders. It's more the smaller hills where it can cause an issue.",
"It’s a great question and one I’ve been following closely for years. 15 years ago the upper age you’d see for snowboarders was mid-30s. And even that was uncommon. It was mainly teens transitioning from skiing and little ones who started with snowboarding. Today, the upper age is certainly 40s and you are seeing much more of them than you used to. Pretty cool to see it start taking ahold in a majority of demographics (especially at the younger age now obviously with the rise of olympic and x game super stars)",
"You just said the issue is the snowboarders have to walk and so destroy the traverse. Pretty simple to put in a route for them to walk, or modify the area partially to provide a way for them.\n\nIt's a bit odd how impossible you think simple infrastructure projects would be as well.",
"> By that, I mean that it was a sport mostly reserved for the privileged and wealthy.\n\nWithout knowing any of the backstory as to why skiers had animosity towards Snowboarders, this was my first thought watching the video. A bunch of upper middle class and/or rich white people upset that the younger generation is invading their \"members only\" hobby.",
"A very racist and influential architect that designed a ton of infrastructure in the US.",
"As no one, I am the wind.",
"This didn’t age well",
"Do you think there's a road to the skiing area, or do you think they decided not to, since the mountain predates cars?\n\nOr do you think snowboards are a fad and there's no reason to put in infrastructure for something that'll be gone in 10 years?",
"Glad to see lines in CA were still stupid long even back in the 80s",
"Good to see people were fuckin morons that far back, makes me feel less bad about the current climate.",
"I started snowboarding in 1988. The biggest idiots on the hill were the ones on cross country skis going down the mountain. They would go side to side basically cutting everyone off. Not sure why us snowboarders got the hate.",
"There's a surprising number of older snowboarders shredding out there. This is just anecdotal, but I know several retired folks who have switched from skiing to snowboarding because it's easier on their knees.",
"I bet all employees interviewed now work at Alta…",
"This is so funny",
"Reminds me of this:\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QgXObaM9i2Q",
"Without snowboarders, modern skis would still suck donkey dick.",
"Snowboarding is still shit though. They shred the slopes and create mounds everywhere.\n\nAnd that's when they aren't sitting on their asses in the middle of a run lol\n\nThese comments are a bit funny. Must be a lot of people who have never been skiing / snowboarding",
"Oh geez this is giving me flashbacks to this bad movie I watched as a kid, Snowboard Academy. It has Jim Varney (aka Ernest) and is a reeeeeally stupid comedy about this whole skiers vs. snowboarders thing. I'm not even recommending the movie, this just triggered some neurons I'd forgotten about.",
"Snowboarders are druggies, criminals, and they spread diseases like coronavirus and genital warts.",
"Competition over scarcity of resources boiled down to its most essential form.",
"All you skiers are just out there making moguls. \n/s",
"It's funny I'm the same age as you, but I've been snowboarding for over 20 years. I lived in Vail for 15 years and now live in Silverton. I'm so excited because it is absolutely puking snow right now. Hopefully Taos is picking up some good snow too.",
"But the problem is the foundational mentality of \"oh this is something that is unfamiliar. It COULD BE DANGEROUS! We should fear it and oppress it.\" \n\nSkiing was new and dangerous at one time too.",
"Come on DARSH! See you on the slopes!",
"I’m confused because my skis don’t have brakes either.",
"I've never heard people openly hating on longboarders who aren't in the park, but if that's the case, it shouldn't be happening.",
"I once talked to a skier whose home resort was Alta, and was pretty put off by the way he smugly talked about how Alta had better snow quality \"because there aren't any snowboarders scraping all the good snow off the mountain\".\n\nMost people don't care whether you like to slide downhill on one plank or two, but there's definitely still a vocal minority of elitists who like to feed their superiority complex by looking down on boarders.",
"Say a prayer for Red River please!",
"True. This is also a problem with skate parks that are just too small. It's always a good idea to build a bike park with dirt jumps next to a skate park. This helps solve the problem of too many BMXers in a skate park.\n\nUnfortunately, it is often an issue that city planners have the ultimate say in the layout of the skatepark rather than people who are experienced and ride skateparks regularly.",
"So some of them have brakes … cool tell me more",
"It's still not welcome on some mountains. Mad River Glen in Vermont doesn't allow snowboarding.",
"Funny how every time something new appears, people comolain about it being dangerous. As if they feel threatened",
"Yes they do. By law ( at least in Colo) they have to have brakes or no shop, or resort is even allowed to service them. \n\nThe brakes are the metal prongs that stick out below the skis when your bindings are not engaged.",
"It's about clans, always, here we still have problems with ATV's blaming snowmobilers on the trails and vice versa in the winter. Easy to direct your personal hate or problems when there's a clear \"other\" to target.",
"Skiers are elitist assholes",
"I still remember the name-calling from this commercial.\n\n\"Knuckle dragger!\"\n\n\"Two-planker!\"",
"“Most of them have no brakes”",
"Skiing is cheaper these days, but only if you are a regular who has a season pass and are within driving distance of a mountain. If you already own all your gear, pay $600 for a pass, and ski 30 days a season, your effective cost to ski is only $20 / day.\n\nBut if you have to fly to your destination, get a hotel and rent gear, and are paying the insane daily lift ticket prices... then yeah it's an increasingly unaffordable sport these days.",
"And I've skate and BMX for years. The damage is negligible and the animosity is silly.\n\nYou sound like the guy in the OP video.\n\nNo matter what your preference you are still destroying property.",
"I don't understand how anyone can afford a lift ticket let alone the ACL surgery that apparently comes with skiing. Every skier I know has fucked up their knee. I only have two knees. Can't risk it. That's why I broke my wrist, snowboarding. See if you break your wrist, you get out of homework AND PE. If you break your knee, you don't get out of shit except PE. Use your noggin, people.",
"They were heavy as shit too, like trying to ride a plank of wood down the mountain, and modern boots and bindings didn't exist yet. It's no wonder people had a hard time controlling them properly.",
"Yea; modern bindings are much better and mostly eliminated this problem like i said. \n\nThe 80’s boards made of steel with shitty wraps for bindings were missiles tho. \n\nGlad they are not anymore.",
"Smart alecs!!!!",
"Wow snowboarding technique has really improved since the 80’s",
"I've gotten more concussions skiing than snowboarding.\n\nAnd really, snowboards saved the local places.",
"\"what do a snowboard and a vacuum cleaner have in common? You connect the dirtbag at 2 points \". \n\nTold to me by a skier.",
"The best part is he said \"most of them have no brakes on them\" like...bro none of them have brakes on them. They're not a fucking vehicle. skiers don't have brakes either. They learn how to stop their \"missle\" like body by practicing. Not by stepping on some imaginary brake.",
"Zach Galafanakas is in it",
"Ah - yes - I meant brakes on them to stop while you’re in the binding",
"God bless the CBC.",
"Lippin' off, like they do.",
"I’m sure new boarders are a bigger liability than new skiers. The learning curve for boarders is steeper at first, and boarders have a blindside. \n\nThe old problem tho is with the skill of the boarders **and** the boards themselves. \n\nNowadays, there’s really no excuse cuz board tech is great, and board tech even made its way into skiis ( thank burton!)",
"Boomers!",
"Without the snowboards the small hills would be gone.",
"AYYYYYY PUNO!",
"Nah, most people just don’t use them. \n\nI’m Colorado it’s law for a boarder to have one but it’s never actually used and enforced; modern bindings are good enough to keep the board attached, where as old bindings were trash and often came off.\n\nBoarders figured out to just turn the board upside down when they unbind.",
"I started snowboarding at 12, then stopped in college when I was too broke. I started again in my early 30s but switched to skiing because I was sick of being stuck to the board and it was life altering. I absolutely love skiing, and my partner absolutely loves snowboarding. I think both are great but like that they’ve sort of evened out in the past few years",
"Nice! Mine is 72 and still does!",
"The rogues of the slopes.",
"Boom. See right there. Skiing is more dangerous!",
"That's an excellent point!\n\nUnfortunately the east has become more like California, as the little places couldn't compete with the big resorts for the NYC skiiers' money. Brodie was bought and killed by a developer who turned a nearby mountain into a year-round resort, complete with condos, tennis courts, an Alpine slide, restaurants, etc. \n\nMan, I'll miss Brodie, tho. It was so much fun...",
"I still felt it was like that when I started in the late 2000s. I think going to the Olympics really helped snowboarding, and at least from a viewership level, it's far more popular then skiing. nowadays I don't feel like there is much contention between skiers and snowboarders at all.",
"That is so true. Snowboarders are a menace. Leaving butt trails all the way down the mountain. It's undignified!",
"Imagine gatekeeping snow",
"Modern boards *can* have brakes; it’s not a standard feature. \n\nAnd leashes are actually law in Colorado at least. Realistically it’s just not used nor enforced unless it becomes a legal matter where somebody got hurt. \n\nModern bindings don’t really come off anymore so the leash law is lax; back in the day tho bindings came off regularly.",
"RIP Jake Carpenter - the man with the vision ahead of his time!",
"I did them about evenly, until the concussions became too much, now if I go on a hill it's snowboarding only.",
"Last season I was at vail and entered a catwalk. Saw this fresh, untouched area so I decided to drop into it. The first few seconds was awesome - just straight powder, felt on top of the world. Then I saw moguls. Completely got fucked for the next 20-something minutes, but it felt longer than that. Being a snowboarder and not wanting to mess my knees up or wipe out, I had to heel side all the way out of it. Was so miserable. So I know how you feel",
"Well yeah, they were pioneering it back then, no one knew what it was.",
"I googled it and apparently those metal things with the arms are brakes. Wtf they never bothered to mention that during lessons, they just told us to put the toes together like a pizza slice",
"They are an optional feature that doesn’t come standard; they do exist just rare. \n\nPeople use them when they don’t wanna use a leash at a resort that still enforced leash’s; which has also become rare due to boarders having waaaay better bindings that rarely come off due to collision etc. \n\nColorado for example has a state law for boarders to use leashes. Again cuz of new binding tech, most places just don’t enforce it. \n\nHOWEVER if your board gets loose and does hit someone, and you don’t have a leash your losing any legal battle hands down.",
"Impressive. I cant even practice switch consistently bc my body cant take the falls anymore",
"I don't remember believing that snowboarders were any more dangerous on the slopes but definitely remember being frustrated that the snowboards were horrendous skidders, scraping any snow off slopes and exposing the ice beneath and traversing every powder cache so many fewer folks could enjoy freshies\n\nOTOH I got my first board in 1990 and demonstrated to those folks that you can ride the fall line",
"I’m almost 50, have been snowboarding since ‘86. I was on ski patrol in the mid 90’s and was one of the first patrol members at my hill that rode a board. Some of the oldie moldy patrollers had a lot of doubt that a boarder could get a loaded toboggan down the hill, ride the chair lift, and get respect from skiers. We’re still outnumbered by skiers, but aren’t disrespected anymore.",
"Because when there’s a new thing that somebody isn’t interested in, generally they’re not going to know much about it including possibly the name. I’m not sure what’s so surprising about this",
"This is fully anecdotal, but back when I was skating (rollerblader) the BMXers would stress me out slightly. If I was at an indoor park there would be bikers and they just take up a bit more space than a skateboarder or rollerblader. They have a bit higher max speed, so they could complete a run really fast and cover a lot of ground. They can get a lot of air so there would be metal bike frames flying around with pegs sticking out. I was not a super confident skater so when there were a bunch of BMXers around I was less happy. I never hated any BMXers but they did diminish my experience a little. I think the biggest park near me, Vans, would actually split the BMXers from the skaters and have rotating sessions so they wouldn't be on the ramps at the same time.",
"To be fair nothing makes my heart sink more than seeing a bad boarder plow the snow down a steep run by riding parallel to the mountain. If that’s how you’re going to ride… just take the board off and walk it down.\n\nWith that said my friends are really good boarders and they’re a delight to ski with.",
"They literally do. Please fuck off",
"I find that people who go out of their way to tell you how \"calm and collected\" they were end up being anything but calm and collected.",
"Nothings changed. I’d argue it’s become more privileged, look how expensive a lift ticket is today….",
"Provides well-spoken set of points including personal experience, finishes off comment with a reasonable willingness to compromise and see the other side. -5\n\nFucking Reddit.",
"It's one of the best core workouts I've ever had.",
"Poll: does your skateboard have brakes on it?",
"I hate the sing-songy way people talked back then. Upward intonation on every single word.\n\nEdit: I was referring to the gentleman at :40 in.",
"I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that all those 80'ts ski movies had an actual basis's in reality.",
"Typical ‘others’ mentality. \n\nDamn skateboarders!\n\nDamn snowboarders!\n\nDamn kids these days with their new fandangle dangerous toys! Back in my day we did nothing controversial at all! \n\nSure, pops.",
"> map of Alta\n\nwhy is the map so confusing, i've never seen something like it as an european",
"I’m a boarder. Last season i got hit straight from the back by an inexperienced (I admit I assume this point) skier and had a concussion. Last season I was a novice as well and had a hard time controlling my position, but the impact was really head on (well in my case it’s butt on I suppose) with high speed and that truly did some damage. Nonetheless, the rule is the person down the slop got the right of way, and the ones behind needs to be on the lookout for the ones ahead. My helmet was broken. The skier went down the slope trying to run away I guess. Ski patrol, with the help of bystanders, located him and canceled his day pass. \n\nSkiers can be shit too.",
"84 brethren!",
"The last time I was on a ski range was the 1990s, and this reputation was well deserved.\n\nI'm not saying snowboarding is inherently more dangerous, but the people it attracted were.\n\nThey were a menace. They'd maul you down or cut you off without a second thought. They were like sharks of the mountains.",
"That's exactly what I was thinking",
"Nor does Alta or Deer Valley in Utah.",
"“They don’t have any brakes” wait, do skis’ have brakes and I’ve been living life wrong?",
"Yeah, I've lived here for 5 years and I've never used a leash. \n\nThey didn't give them to friends when they rented either.",
"to be fair I also see a lot of skiers, especially family trips, doing the same thing and stopping before a drop. But whatever, usually those slopes have plenty of space to go round",
"Interesting, I did not know this.",
"Last time I went skiing there were a bunch of teenagers and 20-somethings trying to snowboard and many were at various stages of out of control. They'd go too fast, wipe out and be unable to control their fall or get up, fly off the side of the run, etc. Sometimes a few would wipe out and they'd just sit in the middle of the run for a few minutes and talk about their wipeout. Of course all laughing and joking it up, oblivious to the disruption they were causing.\n\nAt the risk of sounding like \"get off my lawn\" I don't care if the person is on a board or skis or whatever but unless you're out there by yourself you need to be aware of other people.",
"And the swearing. Don’t forget about the swearing.",
"To be honest, I only started skiing a few years ago and wasn’t in the culture. And I just naturally learned to joke about snowboarders. Because when you’re with a group of skiers, and somebody snowboarding, they always take forever and don’t complete the trails as fast. So they become an annoyance, but nobody ever takes it too seriously.",
"Came to the comments for only this 🏄🏻",
"Back when the CBC wasn't trash.",
"I completely refuse to snowboard without a helmet these days. I've had way too many snowbonks for one lifetime.",
"The brakes are for the skis, not the skier. They need them because the skis come off when you fall causing a hazard. Snowboards stay attached to the boarder so they don’t pose a risk to others. Also, you don’t need to be an asshole to others.",
"I was booted off local ski hill back in mid-1980s. This was in Michigan. They soon realized our money is as green as skiers money.",
"It really is, story as old as society it seems",
"I love the different perspectives here on reddit. I only skied/boarded for maybe 8 years max, and that was primarily in the late 90s. I think I caught the very tail end of the integration and hatred for snowboards. The slopes were still largely ski dominant, but during those years boards became more and more prevalent.\n\nI was primarily a skier, but boarding was a fun change once in a while.",
"Not to compare it to race, but I'm going to do exactly that.",
"I wasn't thinking of those thingies that pop down when the boots come out of skis, I was thinking about something that you'd use to slow down while skiing. Snowboards don't need stopped breaks because they don't eject boots and because they have tethers to a leg.",
"What a bunch of fucking dumb liars, especially that old man at the beginning. Glad the boarders were rude to the blow patrol.",
"My wife went to Zermatt as a teenager. It was one of those bucket list trips that her dad wanted to do. Sounds amazing.",
"I remember going snowboarding with my skier friends after this commercial came out and we would yell “knuckle dragger!” and “two-planker!” any time we would cross paths on a run.",
"crazy to think 1985 was almost 37 years ago, eh",
"Right, but it's not being funded for packs of 8 year old feral children.",
"Skiing is still the more \"elite\" way to.get down a mountain among rich folk. Not that my richer friends look down on me for snowboarding, but everyone in their country club circles skis, even the kids.",
"“They’re like a missle” … and “none of them even have any brakes on them”… 🤣😂🤣",
"I was a pretty avid skier in the mid-80s, and then completely stopped for 15 years. I took my wife and kids skiing one time, about 15 years ago, and haven’t gone since then.\n\nSo obviously I was really surprised at all the snowboarders, and how it had become mainstream. I mean, I knew about it, but I had never really shared the mountain with snowboarders. It was weird.\n\nI very much remember thinking all the things people in this video said. Weird to look at it now.",
"Just change snowboard (or whatever they called it) with cannabis and you have a pretty actual discussion.",
"Mt. Baker in NW Washington was one of the first mountains to allow snowboarders in the 80s. In the 90s/00s there was a huge boom in the area and a lot of kids were boarding, much more than they were skiing. It was considered way cooler!\n\nI had a lot of fun as one of the only skiers in my friend group growing up. Boarders see the mountain differently and can find fun stuff you might have missed as a skier and all worked together as a community to get better :) coexistence with skiing is fun and actually helped with development of twin tips, reverse camber, etc. tech and made skiing way more fun and interesting than just skiing boring old moguls! :)\n\nI have fond memories of pulling snowboarder friends forward with a pole to slingshot them on cat tracks when they'd run out of speed. It was better together! :)\n\nMt. Baker even has the annual banked slalom for boarders to compete for bragging rights!",
"In the mid-nineties, I remember Mountain High, Big Bear, and Mammoth all enforcing leash laws. The lift operator wouldn’t let you on if you didn’t have one attached. One time I had to twist up a bread bag and tie it on as leash in order to get on the lift after losing my actual leash. The lift operator just shook his head at me and let me on.",
"Is it just me or is there a weird blue watermark in the center of the video?",
"I remember a dozen years ago, my rear entry bindings both came loose after I skidded down on my back. I got up and my board slid the rest of the way down the hill. \n\nI wear a leash now.",
"It was whole thing in the nineties. Most resorts I went to enforced a leash law. That pretty much went away once everyone realized it wasn’t really an issue anymore.",
"Literally any jackass can go to a ski resort and rent a pair of skis with zero experience.",
"Yeah when I started snowboarding a leash came with mine. Then when I got on ski patrol as a snowboarder they were a thing of the past.",
"\"It's different and I don't like it so you can't have it either. Oh and it's dangerous because I don't know anything about it.\"\n\n-Conservatives when new shit happens",
"did you board in the 80s? i did. yeah they weren't as safe as boards are now, but you're giving the implication that they were just wild and super dangerous. they weren't that bad.",
"Get off my lawn",
"People had weird logic in 1985.",
"Brink! was the first thing I watched the day Disney+ launched.",
"Urchins",
"It is still the best option if you want to access slopes in the backcountry that you can't get to otherwise as a snowboarder",
"Well its pretty obvious that snow borders are a bunch of \"smart alecks \"",
"Yeah, the cartel x I use has the heel hammock which let's me only ratchet once after pushing as far as I can. With mid stiff boots and bindings turns take little effort. The padding in boots and bindings is light years ahead of my old metal and plastic bases. Boards have dampeners and reinforcement that transfers power while absorbing chunder. It's insane how far it's come. I look at my wife's set up and realize I'm riding a Cadillac compared to her 99 Ford.",
"I was a BMX kid. All was good, as long as we stayed out of the skate park, which is understandable.",
"\"Beat me in a race to the bottom Dersh and you can ride your snowey-boards here.\" \n\"Mmhmmmhmhaa, you tell them Chaz!\"",
"I used to have “step in” bindings, which were really good for quick strap in right off the lift but a PITA if you eat it, your feet pop off, and it gets packed with snow.",
" Kids in 10 years will be watching videos like this about NFTs.",
"Baker in WA was one of the first! I loved the environment as a skier, it was super heavy for boarding and that style changed how people ski from skinny skis moguls and groomers to powder skiing with fat skis and twin tips.",
"First time out on a board, the rentals came with K2 clickers. Struggled enough to position right. My buddy forgot to engage the locking mechanism and his board fell off on the lift. One and only time a leash was useful.",
"Honestly it is more than it is for a bunch of burnouts. The amenity wouldn’t exist if parents couldn’t chuck their kids at it. There’s no popular support amongst tax payers for an elitist burnout playground.",
"My surfer uncle seems to have some valid complaints. Basically, the hydrofoil people don't need to wait for water conditions like the surfers do, which leads to then trampling all over surfer etiquette.\n\nI think most beefs of this nature come from the addition of the new thing, disrupting the status quo of the old thing. Eventually an etiquette compromise is reached, and everyone gets over it.",
"I love Baker. I still fondly remember the year they had 100 feet of snow and we were riding the lifts looking UP at the top of the channel they’d cut.",
"Hahahaha fudds out there",
"Snowboarding wipes tons of snow off hills when the snowboarder is new at it. Much more so than skiing",
"When I lived in Aspen (2012-‘16) there were still bitter disagreements and fights about it. The discussion would die out, and then there would be a tragic crash involving a boarder and the whole thing would start up again. The worst incident I ever heard of was a skier and a boarder getting into a fight on the lift at Aspen Highlands, the skier pushed the boarder kid off, and was later acquitted by reason of insanity…https://www.powder.com/stories/news/chairlift-assault-at-aspen-highlands/",
"True. Someone let go of a snowboard on a slope. Hit my ankle and broke it.",
"Yeah, that's what happens to every palatable genre of music. That's why I hide in my metal corner, where companies dare not tread.",
"> I was 18 or so in 86\n\nYou must be about 50 years old today then, if not a bit older even",
"Yeah, I was a BMX kid, but BMX needs to stay the hell out of the skate park. We had our playgrounds, it was only fair that you had yours.",
"Seems like it would be easier for a snowboarder to look behind them.",
"That's 1000% what the issue was, skiers and snow patrol looked at snowboarders as \"skateboard punk\" types. And it probably was relatively accurate, in the sense that snowboarders were going to be younger people. But ultimately it's just older adults saying \"get off my lawn\".",
"Yup this is Seymour - this vid pops up every now and then. Within 7 years of this video they had lots of snowboarders on the hill. Me being one of them.",
"I was the immortal teenager on my snowboard after a couple seasons without any falls. Naturally, I caught my heel edge and gave myself a concussion at the end of the 2011 season, on the first day of my spring break. \n\nTook over two weeks for the nausea to subside, and I’m pretty sure it triggered a “fun” 5 year stint with depression. \n\nThis is my first season back (rode literally thrice between then and now), and you’d best believe I wear a helmet now. TBI’s: 0/10, would not recommend.",
"Some things don’t develop though and *are* just passing fads.\n\nSo I can imagine this is how snowboarding looked initially, and if it wasn’t refined to a point where people could accept it..it would have stayed that way.",
"The worst part about snowboards is they ruin groomed slopes. Basically shovels all the new powdery snow down and leaves icy patches all over. It's not a problem when there's lots of snow but early and spring skiing they trash the slopes. Two Plankers rule! Snowboarders Drool!",
"Nah, I’d compare it more towards a new scientific drug that needs rigorous testing and screening + *actual refinement* before the public is cool with trusting and accepting it.\n\nYou can see how wonky the snowboards looked in that video, they were almost pointed in the front, so it could have potentially been more dangerous at that point in time.",
"And that’s my beef with snowboarders, they always seem to plow the piste.",
"Last part is accurate.",
"I think the problem was less \"snowboard vs skis\" equipment and more \"drunk college guys vs dentists/accountants\"",
"It’s still very elitist. Probably more so than ever. I didn’t ski in the 80s but in the 90s when snowboarding really took off. I remember high school and college kids on every mountain, nobody wore a helmet, most kids just threw an extra hoody on andoften just had Timberlain boots strapped in. Lots of kids had dreadlocks or Mohawks, everyone smoked weed and cigarettes on the chairlift and listened to loud music. I had a cassette deck with some speakers I taped to my board to listen to stuff like Korn and limp bizkit. So many times people ran off into the woods to smoke weed and have sex \n\nWhen people hated snowboarders back then, there was a reason lol\n\nIn the last 10 years I haven’t seen anything like that at all. Every mountain seems to be just rich families. If I see any young kids they usually seem like rich preppy kids. I usually don’t see any at all though unless they are with their families.",
"Close, we're programmed to seek tribalism",
"Why does that matter to the original point? \n\nYou said: \n\n>They at least have a little more standing in the fact that skate parks were literally made for skate boards. Mountains weren't made for skis.\n\nI'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a complete idiot and by \"mountain\" you mean the developed ski area and not the pile of dirt. If I'm wrong and you are a complete idiot please let me know. \n\nThe ski hill in this video was developed before snowboards even existed. It was absolutely designed for skiers. Who else would they have had in mind when they were building it? Skate parks, on the other hand, are just a collection of features that both skaters and bmxers have been riding on the street forever. The features can be used just as easily by bikes, boards, skates, or scooters; all of which actually existed at the time the first skate park was built.\n\nHopefully that clears it up for you. If you still don't get it just reply here and I'll continue to patiently explain to you why you're wrong.\n\nBtw, which specific elements in a skate park can't be used by somebody on a bike, skates, or scooter?",
"r/agedlikemilk",
"I personally have had my day fucked up by snowboarders who didn’t know what they were doing several times about 10 years ago. So while this video is obviously old and biased it’s not exactly wrong. It’s too easy for them to just sit down in the middle of the slope and for some reason they like to run over the top of your skis.",
"They used to literally ban it on mountains",
"I’m from the Midwest, but I remember one time when I was out west, I saw a snowboarder sitting off the side of a catwalk just admiring the view. Got a bit envious cause that’s not really something a skier can do with the half-meter+ extensions from their heels",
"For me when I first started skiing as an adult in the early 00’s, snowboarders weren’t fun to be around for numerous reasons that are still true today. \n\nThey cause large skid areas and uneven snow. They also fall or stop in front of you without warning, esp when getting off the lifts. Plus they usually, on the main trails go slower and further side to side than regular skiers. And when I started I would see many snowboards come down the hill only took be caught by the net around the lift. So the critiques in the video are not misplaced for their time. It’s different now though. \n\nI’m not against them but can easily see the discomfort they bring to a lot of skiers.",
"That old guy is so annoying",
"Ski brakes are engaged when you pop out of your bindings. There’s one in each side of the ski. Essentially, they angle down into the snow and stop your skis, preventing them from sliding down the hill.",
"Yep, that’s how the figure of speech works.",
"Those boards didn’t have metal edges and bindings with backs like we do now. They couldn’t stop the same way skis do",
"You need to go walk the high traverse at Alta. It’s a 1.5’ wide traverse on a 45 degree slope with rocks overhead. There is no room to provide a route for walking.\n\nSplit boards are allowed, in fact I saw one today.",
"Please go ski across the Alta high traverse and you will understand.",
"This is a single track traverse that almost always is soft powder. Not some massive base area that has been hard packed.",
"That is the most 1980s concept I have ever seen.",
">11 comments\n\nthe skier vs snowboarder battle was tense back then!",
"Didn't know that about Mt. Baker!",
"Just gotta learn to ride moguls, it’s very possible with a bit of practice",
"I've only had injuries while skiing, although that might be because I have yet to try snowboarding (really want to though sometime), so yeah this is about accurate, skiing is indeed more dangerous",
"There's still 2 ski resorts in the US that don't allow snowboarders",
"Lol \"they only see their side and not our side\"\n\n\n\"Do you see any compromise?\"\n\n\"No\"",
"Damn beat me to it",
"This is the argument TODAY that some surfers have of stand up paddle boarders.",
"It’s the percentage of terrain only accessible by a tiny single track. They could build a lift to the top of the high traverse, but the reason people like the high traverse is it takes work to get there, so it’s not tracked out 30 mins after lifts open.",
"Easy way to get a rough sense of a video's age: comet-tailing or no?",
"As somebody who is too nervous and poor to seriously try either skiing or snowboarding, I find the first guy’s comments about why “skiboards” aren’t allowed on slopes (“If they hit somebody, they’ll break their legs! They’re like a missile!”) to be somewhat ironic. If I get hit by a skier, they’ll take me out too!",
"It took awhile for skiers to realize that snowboarding kept the hills alive financially.\n\n/I am a very good skier, and a lousy snowboarder.\n\nAlso, just to take the piss out of the snowboarders (because I love you)... In degree of difficulty... Telemark skiing > Downhill Skiing > Snowboarding",
"Been snowboarding for like 16 years now. I don't understand how people could think it's \"more dangerous\" than skiing. Just because it's \"pointed\" doesn't mean that it's any less dangerous than 2 skis flying down the mountain with 2 points. I guess people just didn't understand it back in the day.",
"I’ve done both. Snowboarding is fun for the first two laps. Once the hill is chopped up it sucks. Skiing is just more versatile.",
"Lol didn't even need to look at the CBC logo, I needed only to listen to everyone in the video",
"Remember ski blades?",
"Can confirm. Pointed a laser at my phoned camera.",
"The mustache dude must have been fun at parties, my god.",
"Doing some googling i can not find any mention of this issue in relation to Alta. It seems the real concern is that because Alta has a lot of traverses it's not very fun for snowboarders and if they were to open to snowboarders they might be forced to make some changes to their trails to be more accommodating. Again, I can find no mention of skiers being concerned about \"boot tracked traverses\". If you can find any, send me a link, I'd be interested in reading it. The last time Alta was sued by a group of snowboarders trying to force them to open to boarders Alta argued, successfully, that snowboarders created safety risks and that the majority of their customers (skiers) preferred they maintain the ban.",
"Honestly flat areas at ski resorts I go to most are 100% of the reason I want to pick up skiing after having snowboarded all my life.\n\nDoing the bunny hop and a little shimmy to keep yourself moving is fine when you're a teenager. It keeps getting more tiring the older you get though, especially when you get to just watch those skiers cruise on by with their poles.",
"Boomers",
"what there are like 20 resorts in utah and your friends wont go to any of them because two of them dont let snowboarders in?",
"I disagree. Brighton is full of long flats. The total opposite of ideal run for a boarder. Snowbird. Snowbird is paradise for any skier or boarder.",
"More like, it's harder to convince people to spend the money on flights and a rental house to go to a place that's hostile to snowboarders when we could just go to Colorado instead.\n\nAlso, ticket window prices are fucking bananas. If I or any of my friends are going anywhere we're going to be buying something like an IKON pass. As it turns out, ikon only has 6 mountains in Utah, and 2 of them are Deer Valley and Alta. It's fine when it's only skiers, but it's a tough sell for a snowboarder when they can't go to 2 of the 6 resorts on the pass.",
"Go faster lol",
"That is 100% false, I've lived and snowboarded in Colorado for my entire life and never once had a leash on my board or anyone who mentioned or cared in the slightest about board leashes.\n\nIt legitimately doesn't matter, the front binding doesn't come off until the day is done or if you're going in for lunch. A leash is useless if the impact is hard enough to break the bindings off.",
"I bet before skis there were sleds and the skiers were the outcasts, flying by like rockets.",
"or you know a quarter mile down the canyon to one of the border parks in the world.",
"Yeah I'm in NY, and with a college season lift ticket my brother says it's pretty damn cheap if you have your own board / skiis etc. I only go every few years though, that's when it can be pricy to rent and get a one day pass. Still it's a ton of fun, and I found skiing to be very easy to pickup.",
"I'm just explaining that it sucks to go on a trip with your friends and not even be able to be on the same mountain. Sure, they can go to Snowbird, and I like Snowbird, too. But it's easier to just go somewhere else where we can all go to all the mountains.\n\nUtah is great when I'm going on a trip with no boarders.",
"cannot confirm, grew up on slopes in Europe, never got that sentiment on either Snowboard, Ski, or other downhill on snow things .",
"You’re right, though I think in the early days it was mostly young males on boards, so they’re going to be doing a lot more dangerous stuff. I remember early on I was maybe 28 or 30, and a young boarder in the lift line ahead of me looked at our boards and then up at my friends and I and said “man, you guys are old.”",
"Snowboards haven't regularly had leashes for nearly 20 years, ever since bindings started being made from anything more substantial than shoelaces.\n\nAny impact strong enough to break modern bindings is hard enough that a board leash wouldn't stand a chance either.",
"Johnny Tsunami could bring peace to that mountain",
"It's not welcome today, either. Fuck snowboarders.",
"Taos didn't let boarders on until the 2000s or so.",
"In other words, all the good ones.",
"Maybe try not being friends with snowboarder douchebags? Just a thought.",
"I know they hate snowboards in Kodiak Valley\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/72vIiH-owVM",
"It happens sometimes. I'm not a great skier, not terribly confident. Last time we went skiing we'd tried hard to make it back to the last mountain before the lifts closed. We got there in time: \"sorry, the lift closed early, too windy\". So I was already exhausted, it was nearly dark, and we had to go down quite a steep slope (for me and my skills anyway), fully exposed to the wind that was strong enough to shut down the lift end therefore also strong enough to nearly blow me off the mountain. And of course the wind had blown part of the snow cover off so it was icy as well. After falling down a few times I said fuck it, took off one ski and slid the rest of the way down on the other until I got to the tree line and the gentler slope. You could see pretty much much a flat sheet where I started sliding but we were virtually the last ones that day anyway so it didn't matter much.",
"No, what's pathetic is that snowboarders still exist. They are fucking degenerates.",
"Hot Tub Time Machine",
"Some resorts require them by law. New Mexico is trying to push mandetort helmets but the ski resort community and locals are wholy against it and they got lots of money.\n\nNot the resorts it self but the fear of losing people who will go elsewhere.",
"Sounds about right to me. Are you suggesting this has actually changed?",
"As I resent it, somebody born.",
"Yeah dude! Coked out skiers know what's good for you! - Ronaldo Regan 1985",
"Well fuck you too, then. I also snowboard.",
"Red River is an awesome place to be.",
"Still, an excellent documentation of human reaction to change.",
"This. It was mainly because they were not safe and impossible to ride. And nobody knew what they were doing.\n\nSki bikes are becoming popular but no resort has any problem with them because downhill biking really made mountain bikes safe. You can't use them on the slow old lifts but the high speed ones are fine.",
"To be fair when snowboards first came out they were called “snow surfers” or “snurfers” \n\nSo can’t blame the old man for getting it wrong.",
"“They get rude with us when we’re calmly trying to kick them off the mountain.”",
"Almost all skis have brakes on them to prevent them from going down the mountain on their own.",
"There is just as much frivolous bias now as there is in the video seen everywhere. At least they had cool mustaches",
"Yeah but respect for those guys doing a whole flip on their ski poles",
"True but out of the four? Maybe five left. Two of them would be absolutely hell for a snowboarder. A lot of flat trails to cross over to the next run down. You’d would basically have to take off your board and walk.",
"this is a great allegory for racism",
"I'm still unreasonably upset with my mom who always preferred really flat slopes and dragged us with her as kids but never allowed us to have poles",
"This is the most accurate comment on all of Reddit.",
"I know the story behind Mad River Glenn. Snowboarders we’re originally only named from MRG’s rather old, even at the time, single chair, as the way snowboarders were pushing off at the top was causing mechanical issues that would cause the lift to stop. Unfortunately, the single is the only way to access the summit. Some upset snowboarders confronted the owner when she was out and about in her personal life, and in frustration, snowboards were banned from the mountain entirely.",
"Was that the whole “soul skating”?…lmao",
"That I'm not sure, I dont have a split board so I cant really speak to all the specifics of it",
"https://www.coloradoski.com/safety/know-your-code\n\nRead number 5. Skis have breaks to prevent runaway equipment, Snowboards have nothing to stop them.",
"Man it's got to be really bad if it makes Switzerland look cheap in comparison. Here in my (European) country only the relatively well-off people go to Switzerland because it's so expensive.",
"To me that's one of the most underrated parts of boarding. If you need a break, skip the lodge. Just peel off the run into some trees or at a nice vista and just eat a granola bar end enjoy the beauty. Makes you appreciate the nature more in a way you can't really on skis without a big hassle.",
"My FIL is 69 and used to be a sponsored boarder.",
"\"Some of them have had a bit to drink, very uncooperative, smart alecks\", I'm just imagining Ricky snowboarding.",
"Man they still don’t allow snowboarding in deer valley. First time I was taken to ski there, i really wanted to try snowboarding instead. Skiing is really fun though, but i’d still like to snowboard sometime. ;w;",
"Living near naples florida, All I gathered here was that no matter what old people complain over the dumbest shit ever.\n\n\nRecently they made an org to make new laws to reduce airport noise because there are more planes now.... like stfu old man, you chose to live near an airport or by it. i remember seeing a beautiful home 1 acre of land near me, it was perfect... except it had a commercial lot right in front of it. Now theres a mcdonalds there. Dodged a bullet butI saw the risks",
"Snowboarders don't fuck with mogul runs, intentionally at least, so there are skier only runs basically.",
"Snowboards have nothing to stop them, except the fact that they don't use breakaway bindings like skis do. The only way the bindings break is in an impact hard enough to shatter your ankles like balsa wood.\n\nSnowboards don't run away like skis do, because they don't come off your feet in anything except the most extreme of circumstances. Your link has nothing to do with Colorado law either, the law just says that you're responsible for runaway boards and skis.",
"This 'late 30s' statistic is heavily scewed by infant mortality rates, in that time most healthy adults would make it to ~65. Planck died at 89, so your comment is way off.",
"I love how they pass off Utah for Vermont.\n\nNew England does have nice mountains for skiing, but nothing that looks like *that*!",
"yea and everyone who skis is a rich prick",
"I find it funny that these boomers are saying Snowboarding is dangerous when JFK jr and Sonny Bono both died skiing",
"What if you drop it when you’re not attached?",
"\"This was actually one of my Most* favorite games i grew up playing!\" \n\n~Wifu\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUl-p8ZNmg0\n\nFun video about development above. ^\n\n*edit \"Most\"",
">I was skiing in the 80's and remember the disdain that skiers had for snowboarders.\n\nI didn't ski until the mid 90s and several places I would ski had rules against snowboarders. You literally couldn't snowboard in a place like Sun Valley, ID. It wasn't until I visited places like Breckenridge, Vail, Park City, that I even saw a snowboarder (I didn't live where it snowed).",
"I was gonna comment something like this. I grew up snowboarding in the early 2000s and I think in 2008 or so I took a trip to Utah with some friends to meet up with their family. We went to this slope that from your comment probably was Alta and they told me I couldn't snowboard... I've never skied in my life so it was a challenge and looked like a fool haha! Good memories!",
"Damn, that's annoying though, makes me think I've got a migraine coming on.",
"Older dude here, I gave up skiing in 85 because of the *hole skiers . . . and lift tickets went up over $30, but that's besides the point. Oh I almost forgot, git off my lawn!",
"[VW introduced me Nick Drake](https://youtube.com/watch?v=_-kqUkZnDcM)",
"Then it's no different than dropping literally anything else not attached to your body.\n\nThe board stays attached at all times unless you're either done for the day or stopping to go inside for lunch. Both happen at either designated flat areas or the bottom of the hill. You don't take snowboards off during the day, it's just not done. If you had a leash that would be removed before the binding is release anyways (to allow you to actually get the binding off), making it useless regardless of if you had it or not.",
"Racer and jumper in high school in the '80s here, from NH. Definitely a working-class sport in the '70s and '80s, at least on the east coast. Lots of small ski areas back then that don't exist now. One could acquire used equipment dirt cheap at a local ski and skate sale. Also, we were the only ones wearing helmets -old motorcycle helmets- and only when racing, jumping, or seeing who could get to the bottom of Cannon first.\n\n\\*edit: also in the '70, all the kids in our elementary would load up on busses every Wednesday afternoon and hit the local ski area, along with the teachers!!",
"The reporter said snowboarding started in California. That is wrong, Muskegon, Michigan",
"Yep, I was a young skier in SoCal at the time and collisions were a real problem. It was like suddenly introducing motor scooters in a pedestrian area and people were getting hurt. Part of what has changed is the tech but also the behaviors of both skiers and snowboarders that caused problems. Snowboarding at the time was absolutely a subculture with rude, drunk, and high boarders causing problems and creating bias.",
"Have you ever seen a rogue snowboard flying down hill. What your saying is absolutely true but it’s does definitely happen.",
"I don't do any switch.... Something, something, old dog, New tricks.... Lol",
"It's the only place Ive ever been and have loved it every time. Really laid back and everything is close together....",
"We only wore helmets (old motorcycle helmets!) when competing in Slalom or GS, jumping, or having an unsanctioned \"race\" to the bottom of Cannon",
"Boy I sure bet party's love it when you show up uninvited.",
"I just grew out of sitting on my ass all the time and went back to skiing.",
"Smart Alecs!",
"Glad that fad didn’t stick around lol",
"That is absolutely incredible, can I ask whereabouts he’s located? I grew up on the East coast of the U.S. and despite living in a pretty shit region for snowboarding I managed to go a few times a week from 12-17. I really really love the notion of being an old ski bum lol",
"Nah, fuck you mark.",
"This has happened a decade ago. It seems to be more or less stationary now.",
"Theres no brakes on them…..funnily enough my skis don’t have brakes…..someone must’ve stolen them.",
"Obviously filmed in the Canadian Rockies, wonder which hill it was at.",
"You see the same arguments now on mountain biking vs eBiking. They say it’s dangerous. One pedal and an ebike will fly off and hit a traditional mountain biker. They say they can’t control the power etc. it’s bad for the sport etc. I posted this video on the mountain biking thread a few years back showing the correlation and as you can imagine it was 50/50 on older bikers vs newer open minded bikers. Kinda funny.",
"No, actually, in 15 years I've seen lots of skis and not one single rogue snowboard.\n\nIt turns out having boards that stay attached to you instead of breaking loose does 100% more to prevent runaways than any shitty brake systems or leashes. The leashes you propose are worse than useless since they're unclipped before bindings are removed, and they break with less force than modern bindings.",
"they hot dog'd when they were supposed to french fry",
"JFK Jr died in a plane crash.",
"My dad skied from ages 25-54. Then we watched this awesome documentary about pro snowboarders (First Descent), and he immediately wanted to try it. He’s been exclusively snowboarding for the past 5 years or so now. He even had a pretty rough injury about 2 years in, but he stuck with it. He says he’ll never ski again. \n\nI just like snowboarding cause ski boots fucking suck. I have wide feet, but even with custom boots I still end up wanting to quit after the first hour due to my feet hurting so damn much. Plus they’re heavy and clunky and they’re a pain in the ass to put on. Fuckin hate everything about them.",
"I just don’t go out if the mountain is icy. You’ll have to kill me in order to get me to put on those fucking ski boots ever again.",
"Well no shit they are boomers.",
"Dude skis can pop off and become 2 missiles!",
"😠 a way of life, ok?!",
"Those smart alecs",
"Skys vs urchins",
"They're right, you know.",
"Hahaha fair, as a north east skiier, you get out when you can, conditions be damned. First time out west i was shocked when ppl stopped skiing psst noon and were complaining about conditions.... It was the best i had all season, lmao",
"I grew up in Calgary right during this era. It was really disappointing to see a new kind of downhill \"snow-sport\" almost immediately blacklisted on most hills. \n\nI think, at the time, Fortress was one of a few hills that allowed them.\n\nIn reality -- since Calgary city council eventually banned skating in nearly every capacity (even ramps on your own property) -- no one should have been surprised that snowboards will suffer similar persection.",
"Agreed. Heading there on Tuesday.",
"He lives near Stowe, VT. Pretty much perfect location for it, and it was one of his primary reasons for retiring there. \n\n(We also have some family in Quebec, so being close to that was also a factor)",
"Just cause you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Properly used, a leash can prevent runaway equipment. \nHowever… I take your point that no one will ever use them. \nIn a worst case scenario a lawyer would use that against you.",
"Motocrossed?",
"That's wild! I've seen pictures of the chair 1 midstation, it was crazy! Baker gets massive amounts of snow, it can definitely be heavy and wet at times but they do get dumped on! Can't compete with the quality of snow due to temps and humidity in Montana/Utah/Wyoming with cold smoke, but I've had some of my best days at Baker!\n\nChute first and ask questions later!",
"It has nothing to do with wealth and everything to do with the traffic and damage IKON pass holders bring. I speak for the overwhelming majority of locals when I say you can all fuck right off.",
"These shitbags shouldn’t be allowed to have kids. Cities don’t build things with the intention of having small children run feral. You’re fucked in the head.",
"That has absolutely nothing to do with my comment. Snowboards sucked back then for sure, I know from first hand experience. Boots were super soft was well which impacted the ability to go edge to edge quickly, still has nothing to do with my comment.\n\nEdit. Also, I don’t think you’re right. I was able to rent a board from Ski Bowl on mt hood in 1988 to learn on and it had edges and bindings. It was icy that day and my from edge caught and I snapped forward and cut my forehead open.\n\nEdit 2. I remember now that we rented from a shop in government camp, not the resort.",
"Lol. It’s a blip. Mad river glen is a joke",
"He’s being facetious. You are missing the point",
"A snowboard leash literally cannot prevent anything. You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about because you've never used a snowboard or a leash.\n\nIf it's short enough to not drag alongside the board, it's short enough that it has to be removed before you can get your foot out of the bindings. If it's long enough to allow you to remove your foot from the bindings, it's too long and will drag underneath the board as you ride.\n\nA leash, by design, must be removed before you remove the bindings. It will not prevent any runaway boards, because by design it literally cannot prevent them. It has to be removed before the more secure bindings can be removed, and if the bindings fail then the leash will also fail because it's weaker than the bindings.\n\nYou are talking out of your ass, both about the law in Colorado (which does not require leashes, only assigns liability for those with runaway boards/skis) and about the possibility of a leash stopping a runaway board.",
"Of course humans fought over what objects we strapped on our feet to slide down slippery slopes. Of course we did.",
"100 % true: I had to take a fucking “ test “ to prove u could get on / off a lift and stop. Then my ticket was good for only certain trails. Mind you I could turn, carve and jump better than any joke of a “ patroller “ on said mountain. Lift lines could be fun with people who were curious, or a shitshow with old assholes who could barely turn themselves. - almost 30 years later I would not trade a moment for anything in the world… lol ride on !!!",
"Skiing is for everyone.",
"I assume you mean all the runs with no obvious access. Those you access via traverse.",
"So skiing and snowboarding are only for locals, then? Fuck anyone that doesn't own property in salt lake?\n\nIf your position is that traffic and damage are caused by the increase in the number of skiers and snowboarders I can't see any other way to interpret it than \"I want it to be expensive again so fewer people can afford to go\"",
"Dang is he? I don't see him listed on IMDB anywhere, was he one of the background snowboard friends or something?",
"that is WHACK!",
"seems like we found the slacker of the fam in reddit XD",
"I suppose you think the federal government should reserve land for everyone, too, right? Some kind of national park or something?",
"…and then in the years to come snowboarding single handedly saved the ski industry.",
"Oh sure, I feel the same way. It’s the same as surfer vs bodyboard or surfer vs SUP. To outsiders they might seem like very similar sports but there are subtle and important differences. Hell even loggers and shortboarders have issues in terms of lineup etiquette",
"3 of them, and fuck all three; Alta, Deer Valley, and Mad River Glen",
"I think they probably know that.",
"Skateboarding is not a crime...",
"Which hill was it? I’m a Michigan snowboarder.",
"I’m a snowboarder, and you know what? I kinda love your comment. I’m a motherfucking shark!",
"I am talking about the old boards not the newer Directional boards... I am talking about things like the first gen SIMs boards, that WAS my point.",
"Oh, forgot about Deer Valley\n\nBtw it’s super easy to buy a Snowbird ticket and duck the rope into Alta. Not that I’m advocating snowboarders do this to piss off curmudgeonly Alta skiers.",
"Cannonsburg Ski in West Mi.",
"\\-\\_-",
"“It’s new so I don’t like it”",
"That's Grouse right?\n\nBet a season pass was under $100 back then.",
"Is that my uncle jack???!?",
"why is the traverse not in the map though? other traverses seem to be!",
"Look what it did to Schumacher",
"Very regionally dependent, and even resort dependent",
"Hmmmm, think I'll pass. I want to have functioning knees when I am older.",
"Oh, cburg lol\n\nNowadays that can’t even get open before Christmas",
"Yeah I’ve heard of people poaching Alta in mobs coming down from Snowbird. The videos are hilarious",
"Right, it's just learn how to share the space, or separate your spaces. Easier said than done though.",
"That guy is a dipshit. Every age is filled with people like that. Its pathetic. Dont be like this guy",
"I think that’s how they encourage conversation on the chair lift? That’s all I got.",
"Anyone else remember this clip from \"That\" the team video Forum Snowboards put out in 2006? \n\nIt's possibly the most entertaining and just plain fun snowboarding movie of all time. Bonus points for an amazing soundtrack. Everyone should watch it so here's a link to the full vid on YT: https://youtu.be/v2KwVbvBI2A\n\n*edit to include the timestamp @ 19:08 in the video where they incorporate this clip into their movie",
"This reminds me of when that guy from the ski patrol's dad was gonna bulldoze the town to build condos and the only way to save the town was to win the big ski race",
"It still isn't",
"Thank God we nipped that one in the bud...",
"They still don't allow snowskates on hills for that very reason",
"The only real threat is people who don't know what the fuck they are doing and can't control themselves no matter what equipment they are using",
"Also started snowboarding in the early 90s as a teen. I bought a 1990 (?) Kemper snowboard from my neighbor with money I had earned babysitting. The thing was an absolute unit and far too big for me. \n\nI do remember that even then, there were very few snowboarders, at least in Tahoe where I used to go. And adults on skis were mean as hell. \n\nFast forward a few years later and it was huge, and thank god, way easier to find the right gear (for a teenaged girl). This was also pre-helmet, and I had a nasty concussion at Bear Valley in SoCal. Glad to see how it has all progressed, but now I watch from the sidelines.",
"Yeah, that is so true. I think most of what people hated from snowboarding wasn't the act itself, but some of the people that came along with it early on?",
"they excel at different things. I was on a ski and boarding club through the UC system in the mid 2000's. Everyone could do both and they picked either or based on the conditions of the day. Both are great. Boards for powder or park, skis for going fast or ice conditions. Although the new boards have made the ice problem null.",
"Yeah I’m 30 and when I was younger me and all my friends thought snowboarding was so cool. Now that I’m older it seems like all the young kids are skiing again.",
"I grew up in Colorado skiing around 1990. This was no joke, depending on the resort snowboarders would literally be chased off runs and would have their passes pulled. \n\nI never had an issue with them until they started buckling up 5 ft off the lift.",
"If I've learned anything in my life, it's don't listen to David Spade, ever. Especially in 1985. Sheesh...",
"Ok boomer",
"I skied in the 80s and early 90s. We didn’t like snowboarders because they usually just shaved all the snow off the slope with the side of their boards, leaving nothing but ice behind for the skiers. That was why we disliked boarders back then. \n\nI don’t ski any longer (I have terrible knees) but boarders have gotten better so the condition of slopes are better.",
"Ahh yes true.",
"Amazing you actually believe this. I have seen a few boards go flying down mountains in my time. It happens, and it sucks and can be very scary when it does.",
"I don’t have a strong opinion on this, but it’s probably a fair split on leash vs no leash. I’ve always tended to use mine mainly because I didn’t want it dangling around, I know a lot of people who do the same thing. I agree that they’re useless most of the time because you tend to always have one foot in the board.",
"You sure about this? Never seen any east coast places where I'm from claim to be public.",
"I was learning snowboarding back then and your comment is spot on.\n\nWe didn't have snowboard boots, we had to use ski boots back then. The odds of breaking an ankle with these bindings were extremely high.\n\nBut we pressed on.\n\nI got my share of people making fun of me back then, but I was always conscious about my safety and others'\n\nI have been snowboarding for more than thirty years now and I still love it.",
"They’re only split while you’re going up the mountain. Once you get to the top you put the two pieces together again and it’s just like a normal snowboard",
"You seem to be blinded by the idea that leashes do anything to prevent this. \n\nA leash on a snowboard is removed before the bindings, and breaks easier than bindings. How stupid must you be to believe that a leash will stop a runaway snowboard if it's broken or already removed?",
"“A little bit to drink” … lol he didn’t wanna say they were stoned.",
"It's not all of them, and I've never seen it advertised. It is much more common in the west too.\n\nThis link has some more info if you are interested.\nhttps://www.nationalforests.org/our-forests/your-national-forests-magazine/the-future-of-ski-resorts-on-public-lands",
"Wait why we hating on rollerbladers though? I got no hate for them I purely just hate scooters. Everyone else I’m fine with they aren’t the ones who are snaking me in the bowls. Everyone else waits their turn but scooters feel entitled to drop in on you anytime.",
"A good amount of ski resorts in the US dont own the land. They dont advertise that because it's not good for their business. It's no secret but there is no reason to bring it up.\n\nTechnically, like other people said, you can climb the mountain and use it yourself. You aren't buying access to the mountain when you go to a resort, you are buying a pass to use the lifts. \n\nOn some mountains the base/lodge area is probably private land. It varies from place to place. Some indeed are all private land but that is not as common. An example I know of in the East that is public land is Stowe.",
"My last ski trip? 1975ish",
"How stupid must YOU be to even insinuate that I would not follow natural logic. Obviously if it's removed or broken it's not going to do anything... I mean like seriously, do you think you're talking to a 10 year old?\n\nMy friend who was a noob sat down to strap in, and next thing you know his board was moving too fast to catch. If he had the leash on before he strapped in, he probably woulda been okay. And yeah it's possible he would have just slipped before the leash was even on. And yeah if he had of just strapped in he woulda have been fine. Still though, if he had put that leash on first, before sitting down, his board woulda stayed with him.\n\nI don't even keep a leash on mine, but I can definitely see their place for novices.",
"Dude, relax, you're wrong. In the past 10 years I've been to a ton of resorts, if required they don't check, because there is no such thing as a run away board from the top of the lift. Why? How? There is always one boot strapped in, when you fall the snowboard does not unsnap off, like a ski, you stay connected to your board, always. There is seldom a reason to unstrap both boots from the board, seldom, unless you need to get out of a tree well, and then for damn sure the strap is coming off if you happen to have one. You're obviously not a boarder, so maybe stay in your lane.",
"just gotta start doing the tree runs. there’s no resort better for tree runs and it’s so fun to ride the tracks through them on a board",
"This hatred toward snowboarders lasted all throughout the 90s into early 2000s too.\n\nI remember in 90s a lot of mountains bitched about them for so many reasons. \n\n\"They tear up the powder and make it to messy for skiers\"\n\n\"Snowboards are dangerous\"\n\n\"Snowboarders don't dress appropriately\" \n\n\"Snowboarders are all drug addicts\"\n\n\"Snowboarders are all trouble makers\"\n\nWhatever excuse they had, they banned them from slopes in a lot of places.\n\nThere was so much snobbery when snowboards came onto the scene. There was a ton of push back for almost 2 decades... even the Olympics for the longest time rejected them because they didn't feel it was a legitimate sport.\n\nNow thankfully Olympics have embraced them and a lot of this nonsense is in the past (there are still people who can't let go though to their old ways of skis only though)\n\nDon't get too mad at all the old backward people though. When you're 50-60 years old and laser boards come out and melt all the snow you will complain too how the poor snowboarders have no snow left to ski on and the laser board kids will just think you're old and backwards too. Life is a giant circle jerk.",
"That's why you're stupid, you haven't read anything at all thus far. I'm talking like you're a ten year old because you possess similar logical reasoning skills so far. People are getting too hung up on the same incorrect arguments presented in the video assuming a snowboard leash does anything at all.\n\nIf a snowboard leash is so long as to allow you to clip and unclip it prior to your foot being in the binding, it is so long as to drag underneath the board and cause problems. All snowboard leashes are short enough that you do the binding first, then you clip the leash.\n\nA snowboard leash would not have prevented your friend from causing problems, because it cannot be clipped until your foot is already in the binding. What would've saved your friend is possessing half a brain and strapping on the snowboard for the first time in a flat location rather than the top of a hill.\n\nIf the leash clips on after the foot is in the binding, and is removed before the foot is out of the binding, it serves no purpose when attaching/removing the board. If the leash is weaker than the binding, it serves no purpose for retaining the board when you crash because if the binding has broken so will the leash. Snowboard leashes serve no purpose at any point in time when paired with modern snowboard bindings. It used to help when bindings were weak or sometimes non-existent. It does nothing but add hassle and make a loose board more likely using modern (within the last 20 years) equipment.",
"I'm from Western Canada I would say the opposite happened. Skiing seemed way more affordable in the 90's. I'm from a broke small town and lots middle class people skied. Now a lift ticket at a big resort is $120. The ones closer to Vancouver are even worse.\n\nI'm guessing you are from California?",
"my first experience of a closing day at brighton was surreal. everyone wearing ridiculous costumes, publicly drinking and smoking, such a nice gem in contrast to the rest of utah",
"Nobody listens to Turtle",
"OOOOOOOOhhhhhh, Hulk Hogan, you're always hotdogging and grandstanding.",
"Those two terms brought back so much nostalgia from my childhood.",
"And even still, snowboarding wouldn't exist without those boards. In all of their wonky glory. All they did by trying to shut it down is make it harder to refine. We got there anyway, it just longer than it needed to because people are scared of things that are new. \n\nIf we keep high the barrier of entry to innovation then we're doing it wrong. Fortune favors the brave.",
"I feel like the other guy, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't fully agree with you either. And yes I have read the entire chain. From what I remember when I had leashes on rentals, you can attach it to your laces as soon as you stand in the binding, you didn't have to be strapped in. \n\nWalk up, put boot in binding, attach leash, sit down, finish bindings. This is a method you are over looking. \n\nAnd I'm telling you man, if my friend had a leash that day, he woulda been okay. Yeah he coulda done things differently as you said. Is the leash necessary? no. Can it be useful for something that is learning? IMO yes.",
">\tthere is no such thing as a run away board from the top of the lift\n\nThere is and I’ve personally witnessed it more than once. You may not have, but that doesn’t mean it never happens.\n\n>\tWhy? How?\n\nIt’s possible for bindings to fail, especial step ins which used to be far more popular. The front binding can also get frozen over or jammed by debris. You’re probably not going to lose both during a crash, but you can lose one while you’re getting off a lift or about to strap in.\n\nThere are multiple states that have laws forcing resorts to require leashes. Even though runaways only happens on rare occasions resorts try to do everything they can to avoid a lawsuit. Those pull down bars don’t do much to keep people from falling but they still install them on lifts for liability reasons. Whether or not its always enforced is a different issue altogether.\n\n>\tYou’re obviously not a boarder, so maybe stay in your lane.\n\nIve been a “boarder” far longer than you have lol. In general I don’t think leash rules are necessary, but that doesn’t change the fact that they do exist and that people do wear them. They are also pretty much universally required for telemark skis, not just snowboards. You obviously only get out a couple of times a year if even that, so maybe stay in your lane.",
"Disney Channel made a documentary about the dislike of skiers and snowboarders.",
"It is. That’s what the consequences of all this IKON shit are: traffic, damage, pollution, AND sky-high prices. Most of us would gladly pay double and go half as often if it meant not dealing with all of you for the season.",
"I used to not buy Burton because it was THE mainstream brand but I love them. They make excellent stuff and the sport would not be where it is today if it wasn't for Jake. They still innovate to this day. I LOVE the step on bindings. RIP.",
"Who the fuck prefers flat slopes?",
"> Most of us would gladly pay double ...\n\nGot it. So it's absolutely a wealth thing. Keep those poor people out of your gated community.",
"Isn't plowing doing a pizza with skis?",
"I’ve dealt with some drunk lift operators in my day as well, plus a handful that seemed to be tweaking on something lol. The stoned ones are probably the most chill though",
"well u guys convinced me to stay in and comfy in the couch, nice job!!",
"To reiterate my point, the fact that Alta skiers think this is unique to Alta, despite most likely being experienced enough in the world of skiing to know better, shows the level of delusional self importance the place breeds. I’m not going to name names, because the last thing we need is to blow these places out on Reddit. But trust me, they are out there, they really aren’t secrets to begin with, they allow snowboarders, and they are no worse off as a result. I mean, do you really, seriously believe that Alta is the only place like that, or is it just habitual to repeat that same talking point everyone else uses? Think critically about it for a minute and realize how silly it sounds. \n\nSame goes for MRG skiers. Next time you’re about to say something like “the terrain isn’t groomed so snowboarders will ruin it”, *really* think critically about that statement. It’s straight up moronic. \n\nAlta isn’t even the only resort with a “high traverse” by name, and the EXACT same factors apply at other ones, yet they allow snowboarders without issue.\n\nThe fact is, 90% of skiers and snowboarders will not fuck with something like that. The ones that can handle it, will fuck with it, and regardless of their chosen equipment, they won’t be a detriment to the terrain.",
"This reminds me so much of the current pro/contra vaccine situation",
"I have been on other traverses like Alta’s high traverse at other resorts. They are absolutely ruined by snowboarder boots.\n\nYou sound like a child. Alta chooses to brand itself as a ski resort. Do you get mad you can’t play basketball on a golf course?",
"I’m not mad that Alta chooses to operate the way it does. I just enjoy aggressively panning the dumb-shit justifications people make for it. \n\nThey are not “absolutely ruined” by snowboard boots. What does that even mean? Can you or can you not get to your line? If you can’t, it’s only because you didn’t try hard enough. And if you do get there, realize that anyone who got there via bootpack worked 10 times as hard as you for it. And assuming you didn’t sleep in, you *will* get there first anyway. In most places, a bootpack doesn’t even interfere with a skin track, usually they follow their own paths because skiing and bootpacking require two different types of route finding. If anyone sounds like a spoiled child it’s you. We’re talking about resort traverses here. If you want a pristine skin track maybe try the hundreds of millions of acres available within spitting distance of any resort?\n\nThe point is, there is no valid reason for it, it’s strictly an ideological circle jerk parlayed into a marketing tactic.",
"The only problem people ascribed to snowboarders when I was skiiing in the late 80s was that they would carve up the mountain. Eventually that was just attributed to the average skill level being low, though I can see how board technology would play a big part too.",
"Snowboards were literally alpine missiles back then without the foot bindings we have today lol",
"It's usually just that they like to talk shit about stuff that doesn't directly relate to them and so their experience is one of calm, with them then losing their shit as soon as anyone says anything related to them.",
"I must be thinking of another ski/snowboarding movie from the era\n\nI was\n\nOut Cold (2001 film)",
"That's halfway around the world from me, so that's not happening. [Is this the portion you're referring to?](https://youtu.be/bDkMJDOwMYw?t=137) We're pretty good at dealing with those kinds of cliff faces. [Here's one being built in China](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/kwo46q/building_a_mountain_path_in_china/).\n\nAlta most likely wants to keep their 'natural' look, as well as cater to the more 'elitist' part of the skiing community that likes the fact that the slopes are inaccessible to snowboarders. It's a big enough target market and they seem to be doing well with it. \n\nSki resorts are always man made, and often that includes trimming or even entirely making the slopes. Even just putting up ski lifts is a pretty major project that's absolutely typical for resorts. It's just a matter of business what resorts include or do to the area. The wiki, for example, lists that they're planning to make a tram to the top of mount baldy. Do you think it is more difficult to make a path for snowboarders to traverse between the different slopes, or a tram to the top of the mountain?\n\n[And split boards are not allowed.](https://www.alta.com/mountain-policy#:~:text=Please%20leave%20at,is%20not%20allowed.) Dude probably just smuggled it in.",
"Favorite bumper sticker I’ve ever seen: “No one cares that you ski at Alta”",
"I mean guys do air tricks on snowboards and t bars like wakeboarding. Nothing difficult about a tbar for any experienced snowboarder",
"Love having a skier buddy who always goes with us. Gives me and my buddy his poles while he does the rollerblade thing for long traverses. \n\nPoling with a board isn't ideal but it's better than no pole.",
"Also, most snowboarders kind of sucked. They used to stop a lot, and just sit or stand in the middle of runs. Or most troubling, go slowly across the whole run because they didn't know how to turn. As they got better, there was less conflict. At the beginning though, it used to be pretty irritating having to find a line through these human pylons, especially if you were going fast.",
"Yea exactly. 80’s boarders we’re teens with converted surf boards made of steel, with no edges, camber, proper bindings, leashes, etc.\n\nThey we’re literally safety hazards on the mountain; the cultural rift was just the cover story of “rich resort bad, rebellious teens with safety hazard boards good”\n\nThe reality was resorts and skiiers had legitimate legal and safety concerns at first. \n\nYou wouldn’t let somebody with a toy novelty board go down a black hill at a resort would you? Of course not, but that’s what was happening when boards first came out; they were literally toys.",
"Are ebikes prohibited anywhere? Like you can't take a motorcycle or powered vehicle into some parks. Partly thats for noise, but also environmental reasons.",
"There are plenty of trails that don’t allow e bikes. Starting to change though",
"So freaking true",
"Again, nothing to do with how much money you have and everything to do with the number of people choking the canyons.",
"You've made yourself pretty clear.",
"yeah so fuck those people they should just not do it and then you can.\n\nfuck you.",
"lmao classic locals.",
"\"resent\" or \"represent\"? :-)",
"Then I can what? Drive down my damn street and go to work? Yes please. Fuck you and your ikon.",
"And of course no helmets back then too!",
"I went skiing about three times in the 90s and I got absolutely demolished by a missile of a snowboard, a girl from my high school who had completely lost control and was basically just crouching on her board. She bowled me over from behind. So… these guys did have some points.",
"Sorels and leashes. I’m pretty sure that would be an album name for my first few seasons",
"Surprise surprise, Utah is behind the times....",
"Or you could just get better and not lose your speed in the flats",
"Doesn't work when the flat is long enough, and/or the slope is busy so you can't afford to be a missile screaming through the crowd of skiers that clog everything up by slowing down to chat with friends while pushing themselves along with poles.\n\nI'm not saying they're wrong, the flats are the place to do that if they want to, it just becomes a nuisance when there's enough packs of them to block any straight path instead of them leaving the middle route open for people who actually want to keep moving.",
"I’ve boarded most the resorts in the country and there are very few instance where this is actually a problem. It was when I didn’t know how to maintain speed.",
"It's primarily an issue at resorts oriented towards beginners where the slopes are very gradual both before and after the flats. One of my favorite places to board, simply because it's both the closest to me and the least expensive, has several slopes I refuse to ride anymore because of that issue.\n\nYou can carry speed through them just fine, but if the slope is even moderately busy it becomes a heavy traffic point in a hurry - largely because that particular resort caters to a novice crowd in particular. Newcomers or infrequent skiers don't know that you need to stay to the sides of a run if you're barely crawling along, and they will often change directions unpredictably without checking for incoming traffic first.\n\nAt most resorts it's a non-issue since you just carry your speed through the flat. It's only an issue when there's novice traffic, particularly large flats, or a member of your group flags you down to say something forgetting that you don't have poles to get moving again easily. \n\nThat last one is the main killer for me, because I board with my family who are all skiers and they'd always call me over on the flats to say something about how they actually decided to take a different route to the bottom because it never occurred to them that stopping on a flat is a pain in the ass for a snowboard.",
"Flanders at the end feels like he's wearing nothing at all."
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"I'm actually watching this movie right now, it's pretty good TBH.",
"as a space junkie, I fucking loved this movie. it was like a spiritual sequel to my favorite movie Contact. the ending got me, it really really did. but damn did all the actors act the hell out of this movie. you can feel DiCaprio actually getting angry, like this is real life him trying to tell people about climate change",
"lemme know what you think of it after! just watched it and am blown away. stay for the credits btw, there’s a great post credits scene",
"I've got just about an hour left lol. Didn't realize it was so long when I started it and now I'm too invested to go to bed (130am here).",
"Also currently watching it! About 3/4 way through.",
"Same here. It’s very well done",
"let’s all discuss the movie after y’all finish it! the lash 1/4th of the movie is *incredible*",
"If you haven’t seen the movie Contact (1996), watch it sometime. This movie was very much influenced by it. It shows how the government and world would react if we actually found proof of aliens via telescopes listening to deep space. These movies are *very* similar in a good way. It was written by Carl Sagan",
"The last hour is the best part of the movie imo",
"Yea actually just passed this meltdown scene - glad I didn't watch the video you shared lol",
"Sums up the mainstream media and administration in a nutshell",
"haha my bad dude",
"This movie was pretty good but it left me pretty depressed bc it’s really spot on",
"I watched like 80% of this last night and was pretty disappointed. Just seemed like ..eh. It was just an ensemble of a million famous actors, but idk. I just couldn’t get into it.",
"Yeah it left me with a unique feeling. I’d say melancholy? Because it had a ton of Adam McKay’s humor in it but yeah man this was sad. It still wasn’t as bleak as Greenland. That’s an intense end of the world movie",
"Whaaaat? Contact was amazing. This….was just..idk but it wasn’t contact.",
"Did you watch the ending?? [its great](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zv5Cvg6pM)",
"No. I found myself liking it less and less as it went on and I jet.",
"Ah man I have seen Contact countless times and I immediately grouped the two together as extremely similar movies. But I’m not saying this is better than Contact btw. I’m saying they go well together",
"I'm literally at the end of it right now. I imagine this is how it would play out.",
"I just finished watching this. I got chills all over my body two or three different times during the movie. People have criticized the movie for being heavy handed with the subject material but I mean can you blame McKay and Sirota? Those who say this is heavy handed are exactly like the people being railed against in this clip.",
"Contact will never be topped as the best space movie ever. What an exceptional film.",
"I loved the movie, the only thing that hit me was the MAGA crowd slogan \"Don't Look Up\" \n\n\nIt wasn't very true to life, theyd have something less self aware and more self engrandizing. Like \"Know the Science\" or \"See everything\"\n\n\nNo one campaigns on looking away from something.",
"I tend to disagree. This isn't so much about space and the ramifications of contact with *others* as it is about media and government burying their heads in the sand or lying to us and looking to corporations to save us instead of doing whatever is in their power to save us",
"This movie was fucking amazing. A+. I watched it twice already.",
"Apollo 13 is tied with it for me. Both are just on another level and stick to hard science",
"Ok so. All in all. I’m scared. It all felt too real. Or Too relatable rather. I don’t know, I have big anxieties about “end of the world” scenarios and nightmares often. So probably not the best movie choice for me! Whoops. But nonetheless, I loved it. It seems like every character or scene had a “real world” analogy I could make to it/them. Almost like a “mockumentary” of life in current society on Earth. \n\nI like how it touched on how much the world depends on social media for news. If it’s not there, then who cares? Type deal. I wonder how many scientists feel like their discoveries are quite important but are over shadowed by societies obsession with entertainment. I see articles all of the time that are extremely terrifying and wonder “Why isn’t this WAY bigger news?” \n\nAnother note, I kept thinking about the fact that the people who keep us entertained to distract us from these types of terrors in the real world are the people of Hollywood. Which are the actors in the film! I’m getting all conspiracy here, but I’m hoping my point doesn’t sound nuts. Just an observation put into a rambling form. DONT FORGET TO LIKE AN SUBSCRIBE lmao",
"Yeah I expect a lot of downvotes eventually in this post because a lot of people are just mad at this movie because they’re told to without having watched it. I liked the heavy handedness because I’m hoping this movie changes just a few people’s mind out there about the real world planetary threats. Even that’s better than nothing. \n\nI loved how this movie boiled up to the point of “fuck politics, we’re all gonna fucking die”",
"I was always going to watch it because I love Adam McKay and David Sirota is a good follow (for me at least) on twitter but yeah I don't think it would accomplish what it sets out to without smacking you in the face with the message. Plus that concept jives with the actual plot of the movie.",
"Yes exactly how I feel as well! >!The death scenes played out how I expect death irl to happen, just suddenly, but you still know it’s coming and try to ignore it and stay in the moment!<. It just felt so damn authentic which is really scary. This whole movie was basically “ignorance is bliss” while you have professionals yelling at you that you’re going to die. \n\nThis movie is making me have an existential crisis over death, I was just expecting a funny Adam McKay movie about space haha",
"One of the best movies I've seen in a LONG time to be honest. Drama, comedy, romance, thriller, it had it all. And the acting was very well done!\n\nAnd the credits cutscene was fucking hilarious.",
"That’s cause you’re one of the Don’t Look Up sheeple.",
">!the 22,400 year cosmic journey was so well done visually. I thought it was hilarious that all these old bloated billionaires are the ones who get the honor to fly next to black holes and be in interstellar space, gliding past the wonders of the universe. and the president’s weird death prediction paid off so well lmao!<",
"Kafkaesque",
"Great movie, too accurate. We need stuff like this to hopefully get people to listen. The media, especially social media, and the fixation on how popular something is or how much money it can make will be the downfall. I laughed and cried.",
"I think it was less about being true to real life as it was more of a metaphor for how republicans would rather bury their head in the sand or look the other way than address our real issues. With COVID it was “let the virus run its course”, with gun violence it’s always something about the individual and never the issue of gun ownership, etc. So I think it’s another great illustration of a point to make that when there are events or circumstances which require groups to change their behavior, many will simply ignore the issue at hand so they don’t have to.",
"This guy is probably one of the best Male actors in the whole cinematography up to this point. And I don't necessarily like him , but his acting is ... well, a life time ocupation , and he didn't waste to many roles on the side. I remember him like yesterday in Romeo stuff :)), he was just a Kid. This is the same kid , doing the same stuff for 30 years like a top pro ... that's what you get!",
"Haven’t seen it yet but will be watching asap. This clip makes me think about the other things that scientists are trying to warn us about and large segments of our population either don’t believe them or don’t think there’s much to be concerned about (climate change and Covid, for examples). Fucking depressing.",
"Yeah this role really put Leo into the “dad” category haha, was just watching Titanic the other night and it’s odd to see him as a middle aged dad ravaged with anxiety haha, time flies",
"Where do you rank Arrival, Interstellar, and 2001? Contact is phenomenal, I just don't believe in favorites or #1s for any media. I just kinda lump them in categories like best, pretty good, decent, and shit.",
"Yes, but he keep it ... absolutely TOP lvl. I mean, gems after gems ... Django, oh my :)), Wolf of Wallstreet, Titanic aswell.",
"Yeah I enjoyed it. But coming away with a feeling of despair :/\n\nI wonder if the MAGA crowd will connect the dots. They werent very subtle dots, but still, who knows.",
"The movie will give you a full variety of emotions, and it’s downright scary when you’re on the same wavelength as the movie. It’s so accurate. I can see the movie being reevaluated in the future and be considered important",
"I think it’s parallel to the climate change news happening right now.",
"This and Greenland got it accurate as to what would happen in real life when faced with the end of the world. An example of its realism is in Greenland it showed that pharmacies are the first place everyone will rush to and loot if it was confirmed the world is gonna end in the next few days",
"Lmao, of course its netflix. Still like leo tho.\n\nIm 6 mins in and my hand is already dead from been held for so long. It is all laid on so thick. Hilarious.\n\nHahhaha what the fuck they just shipped 2 people with a C5. At least the girl that gives herself her own haircuts got stoned for the ride.\n\nAriana grande in the same credit lineup as meryl streep and dicaprio. We're full gone\n\nAhhh so it's like reddit meets idiocracy president world. Woooaahhh *coooool* \n\nDAE PoLoTiCs BaD?!?! lmao christ guys cmon. We're only 22mins in here.\n\nOhh here we go, CoOrPorAtIons are also bad! Now we're getting to the original content. No wonder netflix is such a succesful company that has no debt at all and totally not declining subscriber rates.\n\nThey should show leo rubbing his hands together more to show hes actually *really* serious about bigcomert\n\n$75 Million dollars. At least by half an hour into some capeshit we get some green screen exlposions or something we havent even seen this rock yet\n\nIf this is genuinley depressing you and youre not just laughing at how its treating you as an audience member... go outside. Its so bipolar attempts at being funny and serious at the same time, its complete cringe.\n\nNearly 2.5hrs hahah fuck off im going to the wiki plot. I had no idea what I was getting into. The rock hits obviously, 'waaahhh sad story ending for a change' and some rich people are the bad guys trope for good measure. *So* deep. Im glad I saved some time there.\n\n$75,000,000",
"The movie is barely watchable.",
"and ironically they got the one jewish actor at the table in the dinner scene to say grace, at least as far as i know, i don't think any of the others at that table were jewish",
"Aliens aren't all over space because they developed really good AI and really good VR. They are laying in nutrient pods enjoying virtual nirvana.",
"I just want to know why that general was charging for snacks.",
"I suspected as much, based on this clip. Knowing that Leo DiCaprio is involved in trying to address climate change, his performance in this scene makes sense.",
"So the comet isn't just a metaphor? I don't have netflicks.",
"that's called millenialcholy; melancholy at knowing there's jack shit you can do to make a difference because your parents told you you were already a winner, because their parents thought life was easy and told them to stop bitching.",
"Yeah I have a group of space movies that I put above all others, Contact just happens to be my personal favorite. All of those qualify for “best space movie”. I personally love the recent Ad Astra, I put it in that grouping. It might be really boring for people who don’t like space, but I loved it. Just beautiful and a good adaptation of Heart of Darkness. When they reach Neptune and you see how little sunlight is out there that far, it makes space spooky as hell. \n\nAlso the first Alien I would group in there as well. That catches the mysterious, spooky feeling of deep space better than any other movie. Makes me think about the possibility of dead planets out there in the universe with ruins of a loooong dead civilizations",
"Certain groups of people are going to hate this movie: climate change deniers, antivaxx conspiracy nuts, Trump supporters, basically anyone who dislikes scientists and worships a political/media personality.",
">and ironically they got the one jewish actor at the table in the dinner scene to say grace, at least as far as i know, i don't think any of the others at that table were jewish\n\nWtf",
"one of the best running jokes I’ve seen in awhile lmao. I mean, he’s a 3 star general working in the White House for the Pentagon. why would he charge a broke college student for snacks and water?¿\n\nedit: [found this gem just now](https://www.magicalquote.com/moviequotes/the-snacks-are-free-the-general/)",
"Melancholia left me the same way, both similar subject matter.",
"this movie was funny and sh!!!tzz but then the 3rd act happened...as in it melted...wished the producers gave it a different ending...",
"yea..it also made fun of the left too..soo hehe",
"Why's that?",
"I wasn't interested in seeing this movie until I saw this",
"> They werent very subtle dots, but still, who knows.\n\nI mean these are the same people who for years were convinced Stephen Colbert was an actual conservative talkshow host.",
"Standing in front of corporations and money seems bleak if you ever have to look even further than a few years out",
"this is gonna spoil the ending for you, but if you can’t watch it and don’t care about spoilers, keep reading. >!it’s a really in-your-face metaphor for climate change. but the movie hits you hard because they don’t stop the comet in the end, even though they had the chance to. another large company stopped the nukes we sent because he convinced the president we could mine the comet for resources to get extremely rich. that of course doesn’t work and the comet hits the earth, wiping out all life. it’s a really sad moment that’s chilling!<",
"I know I literally just said I don't do #1s. But I think Interstellar is my favorite. I know the science is flaky. But I like the concept of theoretical space travel meeting emotions. Maybe I'm just a big softy, but the idea of love bridging time and space makes me feel comforted. That, and it didn't get diluted by CGI aliens, made the planets that much more mysterious.",
"Sorry but will have to give an asterick with the best actor award because of 1 flaw...breaking the 4th wall/touching/breathing on the camera during the part wheres he's trying to survive in the belly of the horse....that took me out of the immersion and ruin the otherwise enjoyable movie up to that point...",
"It's pretty blatantly a parallel to climate change, the movie is a very very unsubtle commentary on it lol\n\nNot bad, but certainly not subtle",
"All fun and games until the last 15mins when it hits you like a freight train",
"[That movie’s ending was so overwhelmingly scary](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAYUp4rHZI) if you’re terrified of your own death",
"I am a Contact fanatic myself. Probably watched the movie 500+ times, literally.\n\nMy SO and I were watching Don't Look Up just a few hours ago, and we commented on how a specific scene reminded us of Contact--specifically the scene in Contact at 00:56:40, where there is a news channel reporting on the gathering of people in New Mexico, and the anchor says:\n\n# Like a bolt from the blue, it came! What is being called the message from Vega, has caused thousands of believers and non-believers do descend upon the VLA facility in the remote desert of New Mexico.\n\n# Many have come to protest.\n\n# Many to pray.\n\n# But most have come to participate in what has become the best show in town.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI can definitely see some similarities. Extraterrestrial force causes a universal paradigm shift. Bureaucratic take-over and politics. The ignorance of mankind, as well as its beauty. Etc...\n\nAlthough, I certainly wouldn't call these two movies' plots similar. Only some pieces and some ideas that were touched on are similar.\n\nedit: formatting",
"Why don’t you like him? I feel like I haven’t seen anything really negative about him",
"too much Bathos in this movie. Didn't sit in the Drama, had to tell a cheep joke instead and that ruined the movie in my opinion",
"Also, Stargate does that for me too like Alien. It's a little cheesy, but the concept is awesome.",
"I got a lot to say about that, but wouldn't want to spoil it for others. Thanks. I hope yo see it soon, it's gotta beat doom scrolling.",
"The kicker for me, she didn't even pay for them. The Prof paid for her snacks!",
"It's funny that months later she's still talking about it. What's great is there's people who can't let go of crazy things like this happening, myself included.",
"I am non of those things, and I didn't like the movie. I didn't like the movie because of the Bathos. For example, instead of finishing this powerful speech they cut to him in the car with a mask over his head. Wasn't funny and wasn't as powerful as a great ending to his speech",
"This movie was a satirical masterpiece",
"I loved that at the end they did the 'family all gets together before they die' trope, but it's done fairly realistically, it gets awkward and they are making small talk about coffee.",
">I wonder if the MAGA crowd will connect the dots\n\nI feel like theres some meta-irony here. No, they wont connect the dots because the entire movie is satirical of the fact that they're unable to connect dots, even when the dots are ALREADY CONNECTED FOR THEM.",
"Baffles me that the world is ending but I need my meds. I'd be raiding the liquor store. Might as well be drunk when it all ends.",
"A movie about political and media incompetence/negligence/malice was never going to end any other way. Ever seen Dr. Strangelove?",
"Wait, that's a thing?",
"Haha that’s the point. Everyone goes to the pharmacy to raid the OxyContin and Xanax because it’s the end of the world and you might as well get super fucked up and high",
"This isn't even acting. This is Leo conveying his feelings about global warming. I felt this scene - so good.",
">!I thought the dinner scene was sweet, the emotion felt real and it kinda gives a happy ending that they were all together, and Dr. Mindy didn’t die alone (like that phone predicted). The awkward small talk was so tense because you could tell they all knew they were gonna die at any second and were trying to keep their mind off of it!<",
"It reminded me of the movie melancholia. Same plot but the movie is really about depression.",
"As a treat! And he even charged the other government guy $20 because he said he didn’t have change!\n\nI love how there’s a brief moment towards the end where she finally gets to yell at him about it and he just walks away.\n\nBut why the fuck would he charge me money??",
">!The Bronteroc however was spot on.!<",
"I had read some responses to the movie as well and was on the fence if I wanted to watch it or not. It seems many say it is too \"on the nose\" or too loud in it's satire and metaphor. But, I just watched it earlier tonight and I thought it was pretty spot on. The bluntness of the satire was definitely intentional, and I thought it worked very well for the comedy. Better than expected, and even my climate change denying, Trump is Jesus reincarnate parents thought it was a fun watch and agreed that the acting (besides Jonah Hill) was great.",
"Dude watched the first 10-15 minutes and was amazed by DiCaprio. You know some actors just play themselves all the time? Like Woody Harrelson or Jessie Eisenberg, or Brad Pitt. Just 15 minutes and I could even tell DiCaprio was killing it with the character.",
"Wouldn’t that be more on cinematography or direction though? Unless it was an intentional 4th wall break (like Deadpool), that error seems considerably more “behind the camera” rather than “in front.”",
"I thought it mirrored pandemic attitudes pretty closely as well. I think that’s why I didn’t really enjoy the story, it’s just a reskin of the actual news and I didn’t think it provided any particularly interesting commentary beyond what we can already see playing out around us.",
"Yeah I kept hearing the hype about this scene before the movie came out, saying it’s on par with the “Network” tv meltdown scene. It didn’t disappoint, and you can feel Leo breaking character and just addressing the audience personally",
"People are rolling their eyes because it's smug rich white liberal pontification. It's a 2.5 hour Bill Maher special. I probably agree with Bill Maher on a majority of things that he says, but \"we're all gonna die but people too STUPID with SMARTPHONES and Fox News\" hammered over and over again is not going to be everyone's cup of tea. It's a very \"reddit\" movie so I'm not surprised it's seeing a lot of love here vs. everywhere else",
"I only wish McKay made more frequently movies of similar quality to \"Don't Look Up\".",
"Good thing this isn't 100% our situation re: global climate change, and everything will be fine, and we won't be functionally extinct as a species in the next 5 - 10 years. Good thing it's not already too late. Good thing like 120 years ago the crisis was averted when people started making noise about it. Good thing.",
"Just watched it... It IS INCREDIBLE!!",
"Yeah I gotta agree. Everything the government does in Contact is well within the bounds of reason.",
"People that don’t have the same opinion as me about a piece of art = all of the things that I don’t like",
"He's not that old, lol. Although he has two grown up kids in the movie",
"chalamet's jewish, dicaprio and the others aren't, they could've said grace",
"So stupid because no broadcast would ever give an outburst more than 5 seconds before breaking to commercial or \"technical difficulty\" message.",
"Lmao holy shit I forgot about that, thank you for reminding me!",
"I watched it and thought it was extremely mediocre. The performances from the cast were relatively good but the story and social commentary was stale IMO\n\nPolitical tribalism, the greed and self-righteousness of the ultra-powerful, and ignorance to critical social/environmental issues have been front and center issues for years. I felt like I spent 2.5hrs basically just watching the news.",
">best Male actors in the whole cinematography\n\n???\n\nI don’t think you know what cinematography means",
"That's so heavy handed it just does nothing for me. It's as on the nose as it's possible to be and just washes over me without eliciting anything.\n\nMaybe with the context of the movie it fits better, but just as a standalone clip, it's weak.",
"It's literally a satirical comedy...",
"I'm none of those and this clip just makes the movie look like a cheap, boring on the nose \"Screaming at the choir without addressing anything with any nuance.\"\n\nMaybe the rest of it's better, ending with the Earth getting wiped out is as on the nose as you can possibly get, but it's at least interesting.",
"I thought it was a metaphor for the military industrial complex constantly billing taxpayers for unnecessary expenses, but whatever the reason, it was hilarious",
"Watch the movie. It’s intentionally heavy handed. But Leo’s character is very timid and ravaged with anxiety, having to take Xanax constantly. So this meltdown feels very cathartic in the context of the movie. It’s a unique feeling movie. It’s hilarious, tense, and very depressing at the same time",
"Whatever, you obvious white supremacist. Only racists could dislike this movie.",
"I also love Netflix! Make sure to sign up for Netflix!",
"fuck netflix \n\nthere, you can see I’m not a Netflix shill lol",
"This seems slightly better than the acting in the new matrix movie",
"In ten years it will be considered a documentary like Idiocracy.",
"I like him, but not in a Fan Boy way I mean, I don't think he's greatest actor because I like him, I rather like him because he turned out to be one of the greatest. And it's not an easy feature alongside the likes of Daniel Day Lewis, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Will Smith, to quote a few in his generation range that are outstanding performers with a huge acting reach... I remembered Brad Pitt in The Army of the 12 Monkeys, outstanding and quite fresh in the industry back then ...",
"Just finished watching this. It was amazing, and depressing.",
"I will admit the whole benefit concert was a bit of an eye-opening scene. It really put the whole idea of \"Awareness\" campaigns into perspective and made me believe they're something of a wasted effort to solve whatever the deadly comet was supposed to represent (Still trying to work that one out by the way, very subtle)",
"My wife watched this today, I didn't because I absolutely loathed all the idiots in power. I was glad of the ending because >!if they did end up saving the world, the arseholes would take credit for it, or claim it wasn't a big deal!<",
"I'm planning to watch it soon but it feels like this particular thing is referring to climate change. Curious to watch it soon to see the full context after the holidays.",
"That's the idea",
"Pretty fucking cathartic watching this. Very representative of my feelings living with the US’s general inaction on Climate Change and the myriad of other environmental, social, and economic crises at hand.",
"Oh but that's the point ... He's way over the 50'-90' reach of method acting, style aside , the guy can play easily any 50' movies like a boss , but I guess the main pro Point for Leo is , the fact that he's so damn fresh each time ... I can't remember seeing a dull movie when this guy was lead ... maybe since Romeo :)) ... he absolutely owns even in support alongside legendary DD Lewis in Gangs of New York. \n\nSo yes, I mean it with some knowledge after 30 years of watching movies quite alot.",
"Yeah that was pretty perfect haha",
"My MAGA family members have just written it off as Hollywood leftist propaganda.",
"Two clips from the same lame movie on the front page currently.\n\nThis is one of the few ok scenes in this film.",
">I agree were in an existential crisis, but do you have to be so SMUG about it?",
"Yeah, was hard to suspend my disbelief for long enough to watch Leo's absolutely fantastic performance.",
"I watched it with my MAGA family on Christmas Eve.\n\nThey thought it was more of a metaphor for government lying about things like Covid-19 / vaccinations than it was about global warming. I tried to explain and quickly gave up.",
"No they're not. I am totally on Leo's characters side and everything. I 100% percent agree with the message etc.\n\nIt's just that I've been living in this film for the past couple of years and I found all the film said was \"Ain't we living in batshit times?? Isn't this crazy?? Aren't these people lunatics??\" To which I can of course only say \"Yes. I know. We all know. We've all known for years.\"\n\nI don't see what else I get from the film. I don't always dislike obvious analogies, but if all they give me is affirmation of what I already know and have been talking about and told about for years, I don't find them appealing.\n\nI found the film super entertaining, loved the actors and characters and some lines, but it gave me no new perspectives on anything.",
"Wait, you know the comet was just allegory right?",
"Yes, it was his character on The Daily Show and later The Colbert Report.\n\nThe character was a really over the top caricature of conservatives in the US. And as mentioned, a lot of conservatives didn't even realized it.\n\nThere was even a [study](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1940161208330904) done that took a look at how your political views influenced how you saw the Colbert Report.",
"What did you think about Arrival?\n\nIt's one of my most favorite movies of all time.",
"ok, there's always some \"*\" involved. But as a personal flavour, based on his entire career, he fucking owns the Lead Acting in most of his roles. What's the last \"dull\" movie you've seen with Leo in Lead, or I can go even to supporting like \"Gangs of NY\" , another brilliant performance.",
"It’s very dark comedy. Hilarious in its darkness, filled with absurdities.",
"I'm not any of those things and this movie was bad because of the way too obvious pandering to American liberals.",
"Eh that movie doesn’t really exaggerate. Pretty much everything in it is happening now, it just has a more absurd and imminent premise.",
"Like and subscribe! We out here!",
"Not sure about that anymore. Something like this would drive the ratings for that show through the roof and be replayed millions of times on social media. We’re past the days when news outlets cared about presenting a wholesome image. Now it’s all about views.",
"With the number of previous cuts to the crew in scenes of the talk show, I expected them, when his rant ended, to say the director cut to commercial four seconds into his rant and then show a monitor advertising a monster truck rally or MAGA event.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nGreat film and totally spot on.",
"I love it! I can’t wait for Villeneuve’s adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama. I’m excited hard sci-fi is making a comeback. I really want a Ringworld adaptation. [It’s about a team going to explore one of the largest structures in all of fiction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld), a ringworld the size of the earth’s orbit around the sun, built by a long forgotten advanced civilization.\n\n[Here’s a scale comparison video on fictional space structures. Ringworld is fucking insane.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTPwbVqU6lc)",
"It was green lit before the pandemic is the crazy thing",
"I’m sorry but watching the same movie 500+ times is absurd. \n\nHow often do you watch it? \n\nThat’s over 1200 hours.",
"LOL my lord.",
"This movie was amazing. I rarely enjoy movies with my low attention span but this one had me laughing and on the edge of my seat the whole time. The best part was how accurate it was with only a bit of it being scifi. The cast did an amazing job as expected and the ending was amazing to see. 9.5/10 in my opinion but I’m biased since I love the actors and concept of the movie.",
"I like this movie but it just drags on",
"The movie “explores” almost nothing. It has nothing to offer other than the same surface-level point it beats you over the head with for 150 minutes. Right wing rednecks and Tik tok teens are stupid, groundbreaking stuff \n\nAt no point does it actually come close to attacking the technocratic neoliberal framework that got this country to that place, because it is made by a rich white middle-aged liberal who benefits from that system. It’s easier to blame individuals for voting bad people into office. If only we voted good people! Scientists!! \n\nBut again, this is Reddit. The same place where Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins or whoever’s smug style has become famous, so I’m not surprised it’s popular here despite critics and other platforms like Letterboxd not really liking it that much \n\nI’m expecting to get downvoted, I said the same thing when everyone was jerking off to the Newsroom, this will age just as poorly \n\n**TLDR:** this movie is pretty much 5 straight episodes of the Bill Maher show",
"/r/Im14andthisisdeep",
"I have not seen this movie but I’m guessing comet=climate change",
"AILF status",
"Despite their best intentions, filmmakers seem to forget that they are also selling fiction. Ironically, they're also part of the same family of the \"parents\" they are trying to criticize since there are less than ten (six, depends on how you count) large media companies in the world that control most of what we consume. Remember, \"Rollerball was never meant to be a game.\"",
"This is a glowie post meant to gas light you into drawing parallels with real current events.",
"No I just really liked the movie and wanted to talk about it with people. That’s what’s happening in this post. There’s no conspiracy lmao",
"It didnt make me depressed because I already am. Honestly was weirdly soothing.",
"those two hosts' blank faces showing their apathy about a comet coming to kill them all, and how all they're worried about is how the show is going at the moment..",
"I mean calling Covid a liberal hoax is essentially the same thing",
"Thank god the rich white Hollywood man is smug on our behalf - he has all the answers \n\nTruly our milquetoast center-left Administration has solved all our problems and we can see the only thing stopping us from achieving utopia were those pesky rubes Adam McKay is forced to share oxygen with",
"Why are so many people browsing reddit while they watch this movie? Seems like it would be better to focus on the movie then go on reddit afterwards.",
"They definitely timed this movie for this type of thing to happen. It’s one of those “we’re all together and just ate, let’s watch this movie!” type situations for a ton of people, and it’s bound to spark conversation and debate amongst family members with different views",
"I've seen the movie Signs even more than Contact, believe it or not. Haha XD Comes with the territory of being on the spectrum, I guess.\n\nOn most given moments of most days, I have a movie on playing while I'm working, playing, reading, doing work around the house, etc... It isn't uncommon for me to have 3 playthroughs of Signs or Contact on a single day.\n\nThere are a couple other movies I do this with too.\n\nIt is a comfort thing... I don't quite know how to explain it, but I've done it since I was a kid. I'd rewatch the same movie over and over again and have have it memorized word-for-word. Watching it feels relaxing, comfortable, and safe.",
"It’s still very sad they broke up, it’s a shame. They seem like good kids y’know?",
"Stunning… we gotta choose a new clickbait word to abuse.",
"Is English not your first language? I think you mean “in all of cinema”.",
"That's pretty presumptuous. I was excited for the movie and enjoyed aspects of it but disliked the story in the end, because it was so on the nose about stuff I and pretty much everybody who will watch it already knows about.\n\nI also think people who should watch it and rethink things/people who would be in the actual \"don't look up\" crowd, will be changed by this film. I'm afraid they will be offended and take it as arrogant libtard propaganda that makes fun of \"the common folk\".\n\nYou're not gonna get to the morons by calling them morons.",
"It’s 100% referring to climate change, the movie is very intentionally unsubtle about it, but it works imo",
"Like everything else now it has covid mixed in there too imo. >!The title itself is basically a play on the vax/anti-vax anti-mask 'debate'.!<",
"Great presentation of a daily American life, including all that fake happiness and fake kindness towards each other and all that politically correctness bullshit.",
"It’s really not that good imo; everything expressed here has been expressed to the nth degree, all the parallels drawn are super obvious and in your face, multiple actors in the movie just to get another big name in the credits, it’s nothing revolutionary imo, and very surface level. I think you could show it to middle schoolers if you want to inspire them to think a little bit, but as a film it’s mediocre at best",
"I thought it was the opposite of stunning. It feels like a multimillionaire self-righteously yelling at me as part of his vanity project instead of an exasperated scientist having a mental breakdown on the insanity, incompetence and outright malevolence he has had to witness for the past few months.",
"Olympian mental gymnastics",
"I don’t think English is this person’s first language, give them a break. We all knew they meant “filmography”",
">Contact\n\nThe movie was released in 1997, so he needs to watch it about 2 times per month to reach 500+ times",
"The weird death prediction was about the billionaire being a hack/grifter. It was a way of telling the audience that without directly saying it. It also was telling us that his technology doesnt work which means his explosive devices wont either.\n\nAnd its not like we discover animal names we make them up.",
">!that of course doesn’t work and the comet hits the earth, wiping out all life.!<\n\n>!Except for Jonah Hill, he has a post-credit scene showing he survives.!<",
"> Those who say this is heavy handed are exactly like the people being railed against in this clip.\n\nStrawman much?\n\nI watched this movie last night and it was fairly boring, depressing, and patronizing. This movie is aimed directly at American liberals and the writing isn't exactly subtle.\n\nMeryl Streep's character is basically just Trump and Jonah Hill's character is meant to be his idiot son and 1/2 the plot revolves around them being annoyed about not being taken seriously by right wing media and right wing politicians but liberal media and politicians are totally ok.\n\nI'm not American and I lean left but this movie is highly partisan, egotistical, and just not that fun.",
"They meant cinema.",
"> At no point does it actually come close to attacking the technocratic neoliberal framework that got this country to that place, because it is made by a rich white middle-aged liberal who benefits from that system. \n \nI don't think that's fair, Adam McKay is probably the most outspoken mainstream filmmaker on these topics. Big Short, Vice, end of Other Guys all criticise neoliberalism and capitalism, and I think this film actually does criticise what you're saying it doesn't. It does have a bit of a messy jumble of things going on though",
"Maybe. The character was basically Fauci levels of notoriety at this point in the movie. Hes a random professor in the beginning but becomes a spokesperson about the issue.",
"It's an analogy I've used a lot when arguing with climate change denialists. If 97% of astrophysicists were telling you that a meteor is going to strike earth without an immediate and concerted international effort to change it's course you wouldn't argue about their motivations or the cost of the project. You'd do anything to help make it a success. For some reason the equivalent situation in climatology doesn't earn the same response.",
"My bad haha but my point still stands",
"Hey! I love rewatching things too - haven't re-watched anything even close to 500 times but I completely understand the comfort thing. I've heard that people with anxiety (which I do have, not on the spectrum though) enjoy doing that which made me feel better about it -- my partner thinks it's weird lol. Nice to encounter a fellow re-watcher :)",
"Do you think its also spot on for covid? And if so, in what way?\n\nOr do you think its spot on for everything except covid?",
"I never thought he was a bad actor until I watched a Red Letter Media review that pointed out how he overacts. I can't unsee it now, in every clip of him that's posted.",
"It was definitely a power play like, if he can charge for free snacks, he could get them to do anything",
"god damn the is the most astroturfed post I've seen in awhile",
"but I’m telling you this has nothing to do with netflix or anything, I just liked the movie and wanted to share this. this is bugging me now for some reason because I’m just chillin in bed on my phone and now being accused of working for netflix. it’s a weird feeling lol",
"The Other Guys is a brilliant movie as a satire despite being billed and presented as a pure comedy - it’s insane how much more clever it is than this wannabe Sorkin dreck. What happened to that filmmaker? \n\nThe Big Short is very good but McKay has two things that reign him in - he has a source material he has to stick to and Charles Randolph’s scriptwriting abilities. Those prevent him from going off the rails \n\nHis movies since have been bloated, smug, and nonsensical, which includes Vice, a movie with a ton of promise that has so much smug-related bloat there’s really dumb shit like the ending scene where it pretty much goes “Americans are too interested in Fast and Furious to care about real issues”\n\nHe is like Sorkin. Got too high off his own success, now he needs someone to edit out all the masturbutory crap and there might be something to work with",
"Good points. I really liked Don't Look Up, but wish it had about a half our taken out.",
"The latest novel in the Bobiverse series features something like that, a so-called Topopolis.",
"just watched it because of your post, it was great but now I'll probably wake up very late because of it, oh well!",
"You can be a Satirical Comedy and still have your dramatic moments hit hard.",
"I think many of the moments especially the scene in the OPs link and the ending hit pretty hard. Also I love how after the last jedi suddenly every Tom dick and Harry knows what bathos is.\n\nIt's kinda hard to use that as an argument as to why the movie isn't good because the whole point of the comedy is bathos it's supposed to be fucking absurd and highlight how we can somehow ignore cataclysmic world ending events in favor of fucking cat memes on 9gag. Which in itself is absurd, but that's real life.",
"Mods removed this? \n\n\nGuess they don't want anyone to look up.",
"gangs of new york is okay",
"I learned about Bathos from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-QhdzQo66o&t \nThe problem, in my opinion, is about tone. Yeah you can show how fucking absurd everything is, but if you want your movie to mean something, and for it to feel meaningful. The big moments have to feel dramatic and meaningful. I feel the random jokes at serious times took away from the movie.\nAs for the ending, yeah it hit hard when watching. But then the movie ended with a unfunny joke taking away from the meaning of it all.",
"Yeah, honestly, it made me really sad and pessimistic toward the end. Because its EXACTLY what would happen if a comet was hurdling toward us. Hell, its exactly what we're doing RIGHT NOW with climate change. \"Sit tight and assess\" sums it up pretty well.",
"I thought it was a silly bit simply designed to be weird and break some tension.",
"yes, the act is the same, but they don't say\n\n\"don't look into covid\" or \"look away from covid\"\n\nI'd think something like\n\n\"It's just passing by\" or \"not even a comet\" would be more in line with Covid than \"Don't Look Up\"",
"Of course, the obvious parallels to climate change and covid were very true to life, it was just the slogan that kicked me out of the movie a bit. No one ever admits to reducing awareness in a slogan, even though it's what they do.\n\n\"Look at the evidence\", \"It's just passing by\" or \"not even a comet\" would be more in line with Covid than \"Don't Look Up\"\n\n\nThese people think the science is on their side and they see the real truth.\n\n\nunrelated: The actor saying the near brain dead opinion of the 'let's respect both sides, maybe they're both right\" really hit home me. It was so spot on. \n\nThe",
">Oh but that’s the point\n\nYou don’t seem to know the point either.",
"Yes, I do ... the point is the Guy is better then what you belive him to be and for some reason, without any arguments you just assume I have to be wrong , but throw in a Name ol'chap, and let's compare activity and such. Then you can talk.",
"No. I mean in all art of motion picture photography ... not the theatre where films are shown for public entertainment, I mean in this industry.",
"ADHD i suppose.",
"Jesus christ. I was just talking about the use of the word cinematography you absolutely self absorbed knucklehead. We get it. You fucking like Leo. I think he’s a great actor. But that wasn’t the fucking point. You are insufferable.",
"Even when people are being way nicer than I was, you won’t take a gentle correction. You are so full of yourself.\n\nThis isn’t just a language issue, you have an ego problem.",
"Shitty take, and your opinion sucks. That's my opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is shit.",
"Ok bub",
"You failed spectacularly with your obvious lie \"I'm not any of those things\" and you are probably too dumb to realize why.",
"I'm not American. Stop acting like your country is the only place that exists on this planet.\n\nYour other comment:\n\n> Certain groups of people are going to hate this movie: climate change deniers, antivaxx conspiracy nuts, Trump supporters, basically anyone who dislikes scientists and worships a political/media personality.\n\nI love how you talk down to people because you watched a fucking movie and think you're better than anyone on the other side of your partisan political spectrum when you dipshits overlook that all your media is corporate for profit and sells you all the crap that's destroying this planet.\n\nI live in Alberta. Our oil industry is just awful for the environment and real activists get fucked over when your celebs like DiCaprio fly up here, rent a helicopter, just to talk shit about the oil sands. Maybe you have a hard time understanding PR and optics but that kind of bullshit doesn't help because he looks like a hypocrite. It gives pro oil people fodder against real activists.\n\nThis movie was just stupid. Ok, a giant meteor is headed towards earth and apparently that just means the US because every other country on the planet is ignored except for a 10 second explosion where China and Russia failed so it's up to the US to save the day. Oh but they can't because the maniacal super evil capitalist wants it for resources.\n\nIgnoring the last 20 years and the war on terror and the long ass history of US foreign policy for resource acquisition and distribution control. And the laundry list of CIA coups so you guys can keep buying cheap consumer goods and littering them in underdeveloped countries.\n\nYou think I give a fuck about Trump? He's not even your president anymore and he was installed as a heel by your corporate class to rile up Democrat voters but yeah totally, you're the smart ones.",
"Yeah kinda weird lol",
"I'm a scientist and didn't like it. The movie was too on the nose and just didn't do deliver outside of Leo's acting (excellent scenes from him). This is what Hollywood actors think scientists are actually like and it's far from the mark"
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"Thanks for this. So fun to watch!",
"Until his death in July of 2021, Jerry Granelli was the last surviving member of the original group led by Vince Guaraldi that played the the soundtrack for the iconic television broadcast A Charlie Brown Christmas back in 1965. In this 2014 recording we see the Jerry Granelli trio perform Vince Guaraldi's \"Linus and Lucy\".",
"It was a stone groove, my man.",
"Incredible how only three instruments can bring back a flood of memories. Thank you.",
"Got a reissue of this record yesterday and listened for the first time. Thanks for sharing this, really nice to see the music in action especially with the original drummer",
"Seriously, that's sad that he passed. At first I was wondering about why they had such an old boy drummer, but it didn't take long to realise. What a gun.",
"Appreciate this, thanks, classic. Really love the Wynton Marsalis version too for a new spin on this tune, although been out for several years now.",
"He passed in July of 2021? Dang, he had a long run. Got me through studying in college, always associate the trio with fall and winter.",
"Got to see Jerry Granelli play twice. Each time he’d bring in kids from the local school to do the choir for Christmas Time is Here and Hark The Herald Angels Sing. My kid was just old enough to sing the next year he was coming but he cancelled the show due to pneumonia. He was always keen on playing real jazz with improvisation and not just by the numbers. The live version of What Child Is This still sends chills down my back."
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"Conspiracy theory crap.",
"Yes, he took quite a \"fall\" :)) ... One of the few identifiable iconic figures of IT revolution (the same that makes this ridiculous video even reach our senses) , top 10 billionaire with a long time top 1, and top donations to endless causes that many of us don't even know they exist ... How can he live with himself 🙄",
"Still Bill Gates is a Billionaire",
"I once saw him kick a dog to death, quite the bastard if you ask me.",
"Not one man should have all that power..."
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"He's a dead man",
"lol get rekt",
"The balls on this guy. No wonder he's King.",
"Didn't realize subtitles were an option and I'm like damn mad people on reddit speak Norwegian.",
"Harald Rex. Legend.",
"Det gjør du ikke?",
"Hvem gjør vel ikke det, Norsk er så lett!",
"Pretty clear from the way she said “No, it's not, it's called Troll.” that she understood exactly what he was implying.",
"Best king in the world😊",
"He's made this joke before. It's one of his favorites and one of her least favorites.",
"Hei på deg din gamle sei. Ez pz",
"I see it as you. She didn't get it initially.",
"Betydligt lättare än danska iallafall.",
"you laff or you guillotine",
"😐",
"Getting a hint of \"We are going to talk about this joke later\" energy there.",
"Jævla hest kuk.",
"Pretty much being a dick because he can.",
"That still image doesn't do him any justice",
"Det er ingen som forstår Dansk, ikke dansker en gang.",
"[Portrait](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/826d88d7-3327-4a30-9e25-b94fd07e1830/scale-to-width/755)",
"Nå har du bestilt tusen liter melk.",
"It's good to be king.",
"Ingen gillar danskjäveln",
"I would like to direct an appeal to the international community, Denmark needs help!",
"A møose bit my sister",
"Is this the king who wears funny hats?",
"Nemlig. Det er jo bare dansk med lidt dialekt!",
"This is the 4th or 5th world leader I've seen referencing an upcoming meeting in Antarctica. ??\n\nEdit: We've all been Zooming into our meetings the last 2 years. Why do these people have to go to Antarctica for a meeting?",
"Because that's where the hole to the center of the earth is ;)",
"Pretty sure this is an old clip and he's not travelling to antarctica in february.",
"No, that's the king of Sweden, which is close!",
"Its good to be king",
"I've only learned one sentence in Norwegian/Swedish, just in case I ever visit or the world is taken over by the Scandinavians.\n\n\"Vil du knulla?\"",
"Yo im dutch and i can read this\n\nwtf happened",
"Germanic origins + frisian/low german influenced Danish.",
"That isn't a troll.. that is just an insult.\n\nA troll would be something both could laugh about. He just called his wife a troll.. nothing more, no punch line.",
"Did the Troll get him?",
"He didn't dare enter the troll cave for many years after this interview.",
"*\"Oh I just can't waaaaaaaaaaaaait, to troll my wife\"*",
"No pussy for 2 months bc of that one",
"Kamelåså.",
"It's wordplay. He's \"trolling his wife\" in the sense that he is identifying her as a troll.",
"On behalf of the Swedish population:\n\nHow dare you?!",
"Where did it bite her?",
"You dare speak for me?? Now I’m kränkt",
"Hope his throne is comfortable, because that's where he's sleeping.",
"His face in the thumbnail literally looks like the troll face rage comic",
"I also see “better catch me before I go and see my mistress, you old hag” energy here.",
"If you were actually Swedish, you would just silently knyta the näve in the ficka instead!",
"I spent 2 weeks in Iceland and Norway and didn't meet a single person that didn't speak fluent English.",
"> Dec 29, 2014\n\nOr people just looked at the date.",
"I'm quite sure there's one where he says that the oilfield \"Troll\" was also named after her",
">He's made this joke before. It's one of his favorites and one of her least favorites.\n\nYou have seen this happen?",
"Kempelett! Gulebøj! Russebuss!",
"Fun factoid, he doesn't have any actual throne. The Norwegian royal palace was originally built during the dual monarchy times, when the Swedish king also ruled Norway. His throne was of course in Sweden. The palace was planned with a \"throne hall\", but nobody got around to building a throne there and it still doesn't have one.",
"Maybe consider the fact that they're not?",
"It's because you ask shit questions. There's real problems in the world. Visits to Antarctica aren't one of them.",
" A Møøse once bit my sister ...\n\n No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse\n with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given\n her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and\n star of many Norwegian møvies: \"The Høt Hands of an Oslo\n Dentist\", \"Fillings of Passion\", \"The Huge Mølars of Horst\n Nordfink\".",
"Later him muttering to himself, “I’m king yet I have to sleep on the couch?”",
"I can read Dutch too... Just keep your mouth closed. That shit confuses all of us.",
"They exist, I know a couple. Mostly people with some kind of issues that resulted in them not finishing school in the usual manner though.",
"Utrydd dei svake\nå legg dei i lake\n\nAll I know",
"GgggHhgh, hhgh.",
"Nej, vi har det fint.",
"i fitta",
"I love the milkman at the end lol. He was certainly milking the situation for all it was worth. \n\n\n(Hvordan sier man \"dad joke\" på norsk? Jeg snakker ikke dansk. Ingen gjør.)",
"You might find this video entertaining: https://youtu.be/F3tOGE3rNCs\n\nIt's a German guy speaking German to Dutch, Swedish, and Norwegian people, and the point of the game is to see how much they can understand even though they don't actually speak German. They do pretty well.\n\nEdit: this channel also has another video where a dutch person is speaking, and the English speakers on the panel need to figure out what she is saying. https://youtu.be/DNDtwEXQKMY",
"I'm 100% sure that those two are more in love than most people will ever be.",
"how's life under the bridge treating you?",
"Det ligner på dansk, bortsett fra at folk kan snakke det.\n\n(jeg snakker heller ikke....beklager for feil)",
"Translation? Thanks in advance",
"There are subtitles.",
"Kongen kjenner sofaen bra....veldig bra.",
"I would've totally believed it. Thanks for the heads up.",
"Their story is like Disney grade, so I doubt there are any mistresses unless she's into that shit.\n\nLong story short, the Queen is a commoner. He was expected to marry royalty and wasn't allowed to marry her. \nThe king (then Crown Prince) gave his dad an ultimatum. Either you approve of my marriage with Sonja (the now Queen) or I'm out (as in, abdicates his royalty it whatever.)\n\nPretty ballsy to give up title of King and literally all the family wealth for a woman.",
"You're delusional. Read the room.",
"He talks about going to visit an outpost in Antarctica that is named “Troll” and he throws in a one-liner saying “it’s named after you, isn’t it?” to his wife.",
"Fantastic first album.",
"Danska er klárlega óskiljanleg.",
"Read this as “Norwegian King Troll’s wife”",
"a-infinitiv er greitt på nynorsk.",
"You are wrong, her inflection tells the story.",
"If someone around me made that noise, I'd probably attempt a heimlich.",
"Huh, even kings sleep on the couch sometimes.",
"No, realli?",
"Haha, så då er du frå Bodø eller deromkring? Eg er nordlending sjølv men har e-ending.",
"She looks like she's going to smack him as soon as the cameras are off",
"LØL",
"Hate to break it to you. These sort of stories are done for PR. This is why lots of start-up start in a garage, because it makes a good PR story!",
"Dude, it was a huge thing back then. No retconning needed.",
"Jeg taler ikke norsk men jeg taler dansk, er det godt nok?",
"I am Norwegian and it is absolutely screwing with my head how much I understand of what he is saying.. What is this magic trickery did you put a voodoo curse on me what is this?!",
"Probably not, no. But who knows, February is summer down there so why not? :/",
"They're not travelling now due to covid.",
"Berre nokon stadar i Nordland dei har såkalla apokope (droppar vokalendingar). I Troms og Finnmark trur eg ingen gjer det.",
"Why are you so confident about your version of another country's history that you just learned about? Completely idiotic",
"Ja, eg er lingvist og har forska på fonetikk/fonologi, så ein kan godt seie at det her er fagfeltet mitt ;)",
"Muahaha alle forstår alle\n\nEdit: they're all Germanic languages so a lot of words have overlap. Speaking of related Germanic languages...(no pun intended)....there was even a time when some dialects of West Old Norse and some dialects of Old English were essentially mutually intelligible. It's not a coincidence that Norwegian is the easiest second language for English speakers to learn :) And both languages are Germanic in origin.",
"No we are doing fine, we don't need any help!\n\nSome are saying that you are exploiting this situation.\n\nNejforfaenduskaligekommeheråanklagemeg!\n\nWhat did you just say?\n\nNow you just ordered a thousand liters milk."
] | 94 | videos | The Norwegian king trolls his wife |
https://youtu.be/qI3X3eGiItU | /r/videos/comments/roudnl/why_epic_meal_time_eventually_failed/ | [
"Saved you a watch: repetitive content over a decade, became more corporate and hasn’t adapted much to competition.",
"Here I was hoping it was because the \"bacon IS my personality!\" crowd went and got actual personalities.",
"They simply moved on to Rick and Morty.",
"I feel like the same thing is happening to Hot Ones. They have the advantage of doing really good celebrity interviews but I feel like the format is getting old.",
"Agreed. I used to watch every episode, even the ones with celebrities I didn’t care about. But now they put out episodes with celebrities I’m a fan of and I just pass it up. The shock has worn off. Don’t get me wrong, Sean Evans is one of the best interviewers I’ve ever watched, but the format is just boring now.",
"The original Epic Meal Time from 2005:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evUWersr7pc",
"So they need to do hotter questions, and even hotter than hotter wings. I want the celebrities chained to the chair and force fed. START with Da Bomb and move up from there. Have smelling salts on hand if Gordon Ramsey passes out from the pain. You may need to have some tools nearby to ratchet Glenn Close's mouth open to make sure she ingests the 10,000,000 scoville ghost pepper chicken flesh.",
"This describes my feelings perfectly.",
"I have to disagree. For me, the interview questions are the reason to watch and are keeping things fresh. The wings are just the comedic sidekick at this point to great interview questions.",
"I dont like him",
"I don’t think he’s a particularly good interviewer.",
"I agree. He has the charm and delivery of a plasticene potato.",
"I think he's somehow gotten worse.",
"The fact that you're passing up episodes might speak to Sean Evans not actually being that good of an interviewer if he can't hold your interest without the gimmick. His team and him do their homework and come up with unique questions, but as a result the interviews themselves feel very rigidly prepared and have little organic back and forth as Evans works his way through the script. It makes the show feel even more formulaic.",
"Or it’s that the gimmick takes away from his skills as an interviewer.",
"God bless you",
"I feel like even the interviewer is bored with it.",
"i've come to realize what really drives those interviews is the situation of progressively more spicy food drives answers to be shorter and more off-the-cuff than a standard press-kit rehearsed answer. That's kind of the point of the show, but it's one of the main things that has kept it somewhat above water as interest has waned.\n\nThere's also the team behind building the interview who aren't afraid to dive fairly deep and obscure into the guest's background to get some real off-the-wall answers. Kinda like what makes Nardwuar so appealing, in that he's able to dive super deep and pull out information that most people, even more dedicated fans of an artist, might not be aware of.\n\nOf course in the case of Hot Ones, the latter has started to fall off more and more. While there are still elements of it around, it's much less the focus of the interview, and the whole format has slowly shifted towards just another stop on the media tour. We see less of the people being interviewed, and more of the press of whatever they're promoting, even if it is a lot more straightforward, personal/opinion style answers (instead of just a rehearsed/regurgitated answer from a press briefing) due to the circumstances of the interview.",
"Any concept centered around a fad/gimmick is going to eventually die. You can only ride the \"bacon train\" for so long.",
"You're right. A good interviewer has follow-up questions and turns it into a conversation rather than a question and answer. Listen to Terry Gross on NPR (\"Fresh Air\" is her show name) for what a great interviewer is like. \n\n\"Hot Ones\" is entertaining, and they do a great job digging up obscure questions to ask. But he gets a response and just walks on to the next question on the script. The refreshing part is that he comes across more as the celebrity's friend, rather than a talk show host doing a press junket interview.",
"RSK baby, fuck fitness talk",
"The dude just kisses ass so hard, I can't stand it when he talks.",
">it's much less the focus of the interview, and the whole format has slowly shifted towards just another stop on the media tour. We see less of the people being interviewed, and more of the press of whatever they're promoting\n\nIm really tired of this being the case with podcasts as well. I used to get really excited when I'd see someone I was interested in on a podcast and get on with the host and everything. Now that it's always such an obvious press circuit stop, it just doesn't feel the same, and I've kinda given up on a lot of them.",
"Never heard of her",
"Never understood why people always say that. Nardwuar is a great Interviewer. Sean surely isn’t lol",
"It could also be your own tastes changing as you get older. I've been on YouTube since pretty much day zero; only a small handful of channels from back in the day do I still actively follow (that is, if they even still make content, which most of them don't, for one reason or another). Same goes for the type of content: if those videos were released now, I probably wouldn't stick around to watch them now, all I have is my nostalgia. \nI was 16 when I opened my YouTube channel. I'm 32 now. I've seen both my and general audience's taste change several times over my years on this platform. Internet Heat Death claims us all.",
"No. I don’t think he’s very good either.",
"For real though, they need to use hotter sauces",
"They need to at least get rid of Da Bomb. It’s still there, and is super predictable that the celebs will “lose it” at that wing specifically",
"There \"house made\" sauces are even hot.",
"I thought the “classic” they made a was a decent hot sauce if you’re just looking for something all purpose that doesn’t really have any heat. But everything else has been pretty mid to low",
"Personal opinion: los calientes was a clone of secret aardvark just to put their own name on it but doesn't hit the same. SA is one of my all time favorites. \n \nLast dab is good but it's honestly not last sauce hot.",
"I think they made the hot sauces way weaker. I used to wonder if they could actually finish. Now, people who have zero heat tolerance are getting through it. I bought the set, and it’s honestly not that hot. The Last Dab wouldn’t be a top-3 spiciest wing at BWW.\n\nI think they did this to attract more big celebrities. I think it was a mistake.",
"Yep. It used to be, in order to tell them what you were here to advertise, you had to complete the challenge. That was their reward.\n\nThat’s no longer the case, and I think the wing challenge is a lot, lot less difficult.",
"And also probably have high cholesterol from all that bacon",
"isn't the channel where they say \"mayonnaise, it's good for you\"?",
"Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time",
"Not sure if having a successful business for over a decade is a failure.\n\nNothing lasts forever, in a thousand years noone will remember what Apple or Macdonald's is.",
"Real tawk pimp. An uh FPS Kyle is a chomo.",
"Because Da Bomb is a shit extract sauce designed only to be hot. If any of the celebs actually ate hot sauce they would refuse to consume that trash.",
"I think Matt hit it on the head with bunker branding. He knows his channel is slowly dying due to repetitive content, really there's only so many gun models in the world and only so many interesting things to shoot with them.",
"I LOVE hot hot hot sauce, like, I pour \nExhorresco on everything, and use TorchBearer Zombie Apocalypse when I want a mild sauce. \nI finally ordered Da Bomb because I kept seeing all the hype. \nI didn't check to see if they used extract before I tried it, but I knew immediately on my first bite. It was hot, but in a \"chemical burn\" kinda way, and tastes like absolute flaming dogshit.",
"Just go full-on sadist already and chain the celebrity guests to a radiator while administering a 32 ounce enema of Da Bomb.",
"That's not the point of the show",
"theyre doing the opposite though, i feel like the make it so everyone can get through all the wings now",
"Nardwuar goes above and beyond with the research but his interview style relies a bit too much on wowing his guests with obscure information he dug up and just having them confirm it. It rarely feels like he's asking questions he doesn't know the answer to. Sometimes he even asks questions *only* he knows the answer to. It makes for good clips of celebrities having their mind blown, but I don't think he's particularly good at conducting an interview.",
"Narduar is the best interviewer ever",
"Those deep questions only intrigue people who are fans of the celebrity. I just want to see famous people lose their lids eating hot sauce. It just isn't worth watching 20 minutes to see their reaction."
] | 49 | videos | Why Epic Meal Time (eventually) failed |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jan6jZoxAvc | /r/videos/comments/rouk40/going_synth_crazy/ | [
"This. Dude. Gets it.",
"Awesome",
"FTL Vibes!",
"Woah, Bearkeys has a second channel. This dude is constantly pumping out great covers of video game music."
] | 4 | videos | Going synth crazy. |
https://youtu.be/Wfqj5YyzFpM | /r/videos/comments/rour5u/heard_about_nfts_but_dont_know_what_they_are_and/ | [
"Smh..",
"You will sooner or later find out that crypto is here to stay. Fighting crypto is like fighting the internet.",
"Anybody that buys nfts is just funneling money into a laundering system. Any defence is just cope.\n\nIt's here to stay, but it's purely money launderers and idiots. Which one are you?",
"crypto is useful. these NFTs are not.",
"Nfts are not just Images. The can make official documents more secure, allow to safely buy tickets and trade real estate on the chain. And a lot more that has not been thought of yet.",
"You know that NFTs have a lot of uses cases not just crappy jpegs on the chain right?",
"Name some that exist today then.",
"As tickets for events, as Ingame items and as certificates of ownership for various real World items (mostly art.",
"i said *these* NFTs are not. the tech seems sound, and there will almost certainly be some meaningful applications in the future. but these art and digital good NFTs are still a pile of garbage.",
"Yes and that is talked about in the video I posted",
"yeah, pet rock also had a lot of uses but you dont see too many of them around anymore",
"Hell yeah bro, I’m still in HODL-mode for all this flooz I picked up in 99.",
"We have existing infrastructure that does all that just as well, not to mention several quasi-legitimate use cases doesn't mean that the main use case isn't terrible.",
"No we don’t. Can you easily sell you ingame items for real money? No. Can you still acess them when you account is banned? No. Can you rely on the ticket you bought online to be real and valid? Not in every case. \n\nAnd one more complicated case, let’s say you own a house and war breaks out in your country, can you proof you ownthat house 5 years later when the country is safe again? Not if the new government burned all documents. But no one can change the blockchain to scam you out if your document of ownership.\n\nActually proofing that you own something is a very valuable thing that has a thousand use cases and NFTs solve all these issues better than existing infrastructure.",
"Anyone who puts money in NFTs deserves to lose it",
"So you are saying in this imaginary post holocaust world, digital government records won’t exist but blockchain validation technology will and that whatever quasi society that exists will somehow want to honour this claim because reasons?"
] | 16 | videos | Heard about NFTs but don’t know what they are and how they work? Find out now. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msuW0WDbFws | /r/videos/comments/rovdat/the_34_billion_dollar_electric_truck_scam/ | [
"Replace name with Elon Musk and you have same career development as this guy. Musk claims he founded and invented PayPal, never happened because he was fired from the company before PayPal was a thing. He claims he founded Tesla, when he actually bought the stocks and took over from original founders. Etc.\n\nBut, here come Musk fans to down-vote, as if everyone forgot Elon's word that \"we can do this today\" and \"this beats rail\" when presenting Tesla trucks which were suppose to be on the market years ago, on which he took down-payments.",
"Paypal is the creation of two companies merging, Confinity and X (which Elon was the founder/CEO). So technically Elon is one of the cofounders of PayPal.\n\nTesla was founded in 2003, and in 2004, Elon acquired it. Tesla was basically nothing and had no tech before Elon bought it. When Elon bought it, it was worth <$10 million which is basically nothing for a tech company. He then turned Tesla into the company it is together. You also conveniently left out SpaceX lol.\n\nElon has many faults, as well as many admirable traits. But he’s nothing like Trevor.",
"I know Thunderf00t's videos are not popular around here, but his latest comparison of the two \"trucks\" in [side-by-side video](https://youtu.be/91lxr3UD8ys?t=370) (6:10) is scary exact.",
"Rolled the truck down a hill for a video? What a Joker 🤣",
"Everything you just said is not true.\n\nTwo companies did merge, but PayPal wasn't a product at that ime. They fired Elon as CEO and then went on to produce PayPal and sell it to eBay for a lot of money. Elon wasn't part of the company at the time but had stocks. Even within X, of which Musk claims he wrote all the code, a whole team of engineers had to rewrite mess he wrote and literally 0 of his code remained. But Musk claims he wrote all of that.\n\nPeople who funded Tesla made Roadster. They had ALL the tech and were producing cars, albeit in smaller amounts. He bought majority of shares, didn't buy the company itself. He then went around the whole protocol for shareholders and fired founders one by one. Just like when he went around shareholders when Tesla was buying out SolarCity, for which Musk is now being sued. I left that one out as well.\n\nMy comparison here is exact in regards to Tesla trucks. In that context Musk is 100% the same:\n\n- Nikola trucks, unveiled 2016/production 2020 - Tesla trucks: unveiled 2017/production 2019 (neither delivered);\n- Nikola claims trucks are strong and full works - Tesla proceeds to list things truck can do (neither truck worked);\n- Nikola claims fully smart computer truck - Tesla claims convoy is super smart and beats rail (they don't exist);\n\n[This video shows it pretty nicely](https://youtu.be/91lxr3UD8ys?t=370) (6:10) side-by-side comparison of the claims.\n\nI left out SpaceX because it has nothing to do with this video, but we can talk about SpaceX as well. How Musk said flight to Mars no later than 2018. How SpaceX rockets will transport people around the world cheaper than airplane which never happened and never will. How SpaceX said manned flight 2016, but it never delivered on that date. Did fly later though. How reusable boosters will bring down cost of launches but in reality is charging NASA more than Shuttle launch use to cost. The list goes on, but it might not for long since [Musk said](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/30/elon-musk-to-spacex-starships-raptor-engine-crisis-risks-bankruptcy.html) SpaceX is facing bankruptcy unless that manage to get Starship to fly at least 2x a month. Shortest period second first stage rocket had between flights was 39 days.\n\nOr you want to talk hyperloop which also never happened. But it's simple like air hockey table, he promised.\n\nOr Boring company which said they could drill tunnels cheaper than others, but ended up being more expensive.\n\nOr Las Vegas loop which Musk said will have pods with 19 people in them and travel hundreds of miles per hour but ended up being Tesla model 3s driving at 30mph. Musk signed a document for this loop promising that mode of transport will be able to move 4400 people per hour, but in reality it barely passes 1000. Promise which if not fulfilled Tesla will pay 300k$ per month fine.\n\nOr SolarCity which started taking down payments from people to install solar roofs on their houses on Musk's promise that shingles are already there and already working. In reality they didn't manage to make it energy efficient and are now importing panels from China and installing those.\n\nI can go on if you want me to list everything. But I think you get the gist of it if you have a brain of critical thinking and are not a blind fan of his.",
"Except Musk has done a lot worse.\n\nTesla was insolvent just a few years ago. Musk committed felony fraud and claimed he had sold the entire public company to private investors. It seemed an almost unbelievable claim, but he got detailed and said the funding was already in hand. \n\nUnsure about what was true or not, investors who'd positioned themselves based on the true facts had to retreat or face getting blown out. In a series of stages, that fraud enabled outside money to pour in and eventually pull tesla out of insolvency.\n\nIf anyone else had done this, they'd be serving a multi-decad prison sentence by now.\n\nEvents regarding him using shareholder money to rescue his brother from insolvency would seem to have also been fraudulent. Buyers of his solar roof are notoriously dissatisfied with his conduct and lack of contract fulfillment.\n\nHe's done other things, like maliciously trying to destroyed the lives of journalists who responsibly and ethically covered him. \n\nHe ran his factory incompetently and unsafely. When one of his own safety personnel began to expose these dangerous practices, Musk took steps that could have led to the safety person's death. Musk ordered someone to have an armed SWAT team sent to his residence and they falsely told police he was a threat. It was a matter of luck that Musk's victim wasn't killed. \n\nHe's a garbage human being in many respects.",
"What are the supposed \"admirable\" traits? Musk is a garbage human being.",
"Indeed, but fans don't want to hear that. Also important to point out is that Tesla doesn't earn money from selling cars. They earn money from other car manufacturers which don't have electric vehicles. Thing that is bound to change very soon, and is changing. At that point Tesla will be short by a lot of money. So they are still not solvent if only car sales are taken into consideration.",
"Correct. Musk's personal involvement in all of these accomplishments is wildly overstated, and in most cases, his direct involvement has been a detriment or hindrance. \n\nHe's great as a huckster and pitch man, but on actual tasks and abilities and knowledge, he's mediocre to incompetent.\n\nA lot of his claims and actions would be rightfully prosecuted as fraud if it was someone else. Lionizing this imposter is a grotesque distortion of the truth.",
"Some very recent developments in this saga took place this past week.\n\nOn the eve of Christmas Eve (which was the final stock trading day before Christmas) Nikola announced the shipment of their first actual truck to a customer. If true, that technically beats the much-overhyped Tesla's timeline as Tesla (who is also years behind on their promises) haven't shipped anything tangible yet.\n\nI can't speak at all to the veracity of Nikola's announcement, I'm just saying they made the statement.\n\nThe market responsed positively to the Nikola announcement, instantly adding a couple billion to the stock's market value.",
"In the overall context of others things with this company, then sure.\n\nIn the history of vehicle marketing, this act alone shouldn't be that noteworthy. Same or similar things have been done all the time. A lot of commercial photography and filming is fakes in this and other ways to accommodate for industry lead times.\n\nAnd there's currently a pretty broad contingent of commercials where glamor shots of a car driving through a natural vista are entirely computer generated.",
"I have a different impression of their current finances, but I'm open to hearing more detail of what you're talking about. \nMy understanding is their factory-produced models do now have positive margin, which will improve with imminent scale. I'm speaking of Telsa itself here, not the combined ventures like SpaceX and so on. Also not aware of what you mean about money from non-EV automakers.",
"Certain U.S. states (11 of them in total) award regulatory credits to automakers for selling electric vehicles. Automakers must acquire a minimum number of these credits to comply with regulatory requirements. These credits can be bought and sold, so an automaker that doesn't sell enough electric vehicles can buy credits from other automakers that do.\n\nThis regulatory credit system is an attempt by governments to encourage electric vehicle production and reduce emissions. This ended up subsidizing Tesla's money losing from car manufacturing.\n\n[More info here](https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/02/01/teslas-dirty-little-secret-its-net-profit-doesnt-come-from-selling-cars/). Looking at [Tesla's report](https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/ZBOUYO_TSLA_Q2_2021_Update_DJCVNJ.pdf) is not always a good idea either, because they regularly [fail to disclose](https://www.thedrive.com/news/24659/nearly-190m-of-teslas-q3-profit-was-earned-by-selling-regulatory-credits-not-sales-revenue) how much money actually came from regulatory credits, like they did in 2018.\n\nThe reason behind that is that Tesla doesn't actually make money selling cars, instead they get it from these credits. Problem with that approach is that all the other car manufacturers are ramping up their own EV production which means at some point Tesla will lose majority of its income and will be around 0 or at a loss.\n\nEdit: [Another good read](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/tesla-electric-vehicle-regulatory-credits-explained.html)",
"Ok I wondered if that's what you were talking about. However my impression, which may be mistaken, is that they have not been receiving these credits for some time now. It was certainly a little known crutch for awhile. As I think about it, my impression that these credits are no longer happening or significant may have been something I heard from Tesla or Musk. So maybe I fell for that a bit too easily.",
"They are getting them and numbers have been constantly increasing over the time. More than half of total money received was 2020 alone, we don't know about 2021. Given their lack of transparency and forgetting to report accurate numbers in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if numbers were \"fixed\" to look like Tesla is getting more self-sufficient.\n\nTheir 2021 report lists these credits at around 400 million. But in the past when they reported 200 million in credits, those numbers were off by another 400. So I wouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions here.\n\nIn addition to that, Tesla will have to [start paying 323](https://www.china-briefing.com/news/tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-investment-tax-breaks-ev-market/) million dollars per year in tax for their China factory coming up next year. Also thanks to Trump increased price of Tesla cars in China resulted in 70% drop in sales. Not a good outcome for a company dependent on these credits.",
"Regarding X, obviously there was value to X which Musk created even if he got fired. Pretty typical in startups for the founders to write the initial code, and then have it completely refactored later on when the company has more resources. He still founded X, created value that engineers would want to join him, and then for another company to want to merge with X.\n\nWhen you acquire the majority of shares, you effectively own the company. Doesn’t matter if he fired the old shareholders/founders, in doing so, he cleaned up the cap table from useless shareholders, which made it easier to bring in additional financing/investors to help Tesla get to where it is today. Also the shareholders accepted the offer and got paid for it (they became millionaires). So it’s not like Musk cheated them out of it.\n\nBefore Musk, the old Tesla cofounders only had an idea… otherwise why would they sell the majority of shares for $6M? It’s because the cofounders had ONLY an idea, and no expertise to bring the idea to market. They effectively gave up because they wanted to sell the majority of the company to someone else (first Lotus, then to Musk). It’s under Musls ownership that Tesla is now successful and every car company is launching their own EVs to stay competitive with Tesla.\n\nYour main gripes about SpaceX is that he is late in delivering… it’s a fucking space rocket company but they eventually get there. \n\nWithout SpaceX, NASA would still rely on the Russians to get to space. Totally irrelevant how much NASA was paying for the shuttle launch, if you take into the total cost of the program, it’s way cheaper to pay SpaceX, otherwise they wouldn’t rely on the Russians. If you want to talk price per seat, NASA was paying the Russians $90M per seat, Boeing was charging $90M/seat as well, whereas SpaceX charges $55M/year.\n\nHighly doubt SpaceX will go bankrupt, but time will tell. The amount of IP and technology they have is staggering. And if it does go bankrupt, it’s because of their pursuit to develop mind blogging technology to get the Starship program to be successful. And Worst case, it’s rich private investors who lose their money on SpaceX, and they know what the risk of their investment (high risk/high reward)\n\nAll his other projects, sure lots of embellishment. But look at the actual achievements of what he’s achieved with Tesla and SpaceX is impressive. When your shoot for high tech innovation (not just creating apps for ads), you’re gonna have a high failure rate. But it just needs 1-2 to pay off to unlock massive value .\n\nYou can argue he’s a hype man, which may have some truth to it. But just look at the actual accomplishments of what he’s achieved. He’s rallied a team of brilliant engineers, raised funds to help finance their projects, and ultimately brings products to the market that have drastic positive implications for society.",
"Interesting. For many years I viewed Tesla as you, insolvent and financially non-feasible.\n\nIn recent years my perception changed, perhaps erroneously. They've amassed enormous cash, lots of it fraudlently as discussed. \nBut they've used that criminally acquired capital to invest in what I've perceived (wrongly?) into operations and a situation that is now ultimately feasible. \n\nI'd equate it to a bank robber who takes his proceeds and buys real estate, which produces a \"legal\" and sustainable income. \n\nMy perception is Tesla's head start with the factories, paid for with investor money, along with sharply rising sales revenue, has them at or past the tipping point. The factories and customer laxity seem like they'll allow for generous margins with or without the credits (which I'd thought had lapsed or lost significance.)\n\nI somewhat envy Tesla's shrewdness in not paying for advertising, as it aligns with observations I've had and have proven out about the common wastefulness of advertising. That too helps a lot with viability, as does their (so far) avoidance of overhead structures and obligations that all the incumbents must financially support.\n\nI don't see a direct path to Tesla ever being worth their market value however. Just that I currently perceive that they're at the cusp of producing products that have a positive net margin. And to reiterate, I don't like or trust them, so this is just an impartial and non-rigorous estimate of their current product, pricing and COGS. Maybe I'm wrong.",
"No human is perfect. If you are so blind with bias that you can’t even conceive of some positive traits of Musk, then you’re a lost cause.\n\nThe world is not black and white. Without Musk, you have no SpaceX. Prior to Musk, Tesla was just an idea.",
"The blindness is all you. Worse, you have fallen for lies about Tesla not existing before Musk, and about Space programs not existing before his criminal presence either.\n\nI will note that you're batting zero on listing his positive traits, which is as expected.",
"Tesla was worth less than $10M before Musk bought it, and literally was just an idea. Doesn’t matter if it existed beforehand, it was nothing.\n\nIf the positive traits of bringing EVs to mass markets, and the ability for the US to launch into space again is lost on you, you’re a lost cause. Yes space programs existed before. But he brought them back to the USA in a sustainable way so the USA doesn’t have to rely on Russia. Maybe you prefer NASA to rely on Boeing that charges double per seat, or the Russians to launch satellites into space…\n\nHis negatives is he’s a fucking dumbass on Twitter, and embellishes things too much that he loses credibility. However his actual accomplishments are admirable.\n\nAnyways happy holidays, done talking with you on Reddit for this lol. History will show whose right.",
"At least I've alerted you that Musk didn't create Tesla... unless you already knew that and were lying before. Either way, others have capably outlined here why your claims are false. \n\nSpeaking of you ignorantly calling me a \"lost cause\" multiple times, I encourage you to read and learn from those better informed posters here. You'll be better off being informed and less of a brainwashed sycophant. Or you can continue, and be the \"lost cause\" you ironically project on others.",
"Am not sure where you are getting your data but so many things you've portrayed in positive light and made it wrong in the process.\n\nDevelopers didn't want to come and work with him, instead they were hired to make code work before the merger. They hated Musk because he forced them to work overtime.\n\nI don't hate SpaceX, am pointing out the facts they said people will travel from one place to another at price cheaper than airplane. There are bunch of videos of their CEO saying this exactly and that will never happen. It's not about me hating them for being late it's about Musk stepping over what was signed. Just like FAA gave license to single stage rocket and only certain days for launching and he steps over that and launches whenever he feels like. Which is the very reason why FAA is now investigating this.\n\nHis factories are one of the least safe working places. So much so they are under investigation for that.\n\nI can keep going with finding links and proof of my claims, but it's pointless because you will ignore all of them and say something like \"But they wanted to be hurt. Leaving one arm in Tesla factory is what everyone wants\". This is also the reason why I will stop responding to your comments, since they hold no value and warrant no further response.",
"There are many secrets which neither of us know. So giving an educated answer is hard. All of our speculation is gut feeling to a degree.\n\nAm thinking Elon's crap will catch up with him at some point. He's being investigated for fraud over SolarCity purchase, if found guilty he'll have to pay close to 12B$. Contracts he signed for Las Vegas loop will punish Tesla severely if they don't manage to achieve already impossible conditions. Etc. China will take their money. FAA might punish them for abuse of launching license or strip the license away totally.\n\nWill Tesla go bankrupt, I doubt. USA has tendency of bailing out assholes. Neither will SpaceX. But I would love for him to be exposed and held accountable for all the lies. Richest person in the world who did nothing of note, took all the credit of smart people and lied profusely. Sounds more like Theranos repeated than person of the year to me.\n\nWe'll have to wait and see. In the mean time, if you didn't know about [Common Sense Skeptic](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunYog) channel, I recommend it wholeheartedly. It's very thorough and quotes all of their references. Excellent source on all Musk crap.",
"Prior to Musk, Tesla was a company making cars. SpaceX is a company currently destroying wild life reserve in which there are species not found elsewhere. Without SpaceX we wouldn't have SpaceX, but we still have Armadillo Space Center, Blue Origin, ESA, NASA, JAXA, etc.\n\nAnd he is garbage human... Remember when he wanted to make stupid submarine which would supposedly rescue kids from a flooded cave. Then people at the site said it wouldn't work. Musk then called them pedophiles. Yeah, lets conveniently forget that one.\n\nOr when he said Tesla will start accepting bitcoin, only for it to jump in value, sell his coins and then say naaah, Tesla won't be accepting Bitcoin ever again. Yes, lets forget that one too.\n\nOr when when BY CONTRACT he was suppose to give first Model S off the production line to original founder of Tesla. Musk launched into space and gave the guy refurbished model. Yes, that one forgotten as well.\n\nWant me to continue? Musk is an asshole with a cult following of which you are apparently a member.",
"I have less faith in society making him or his enterprises accountable. What you describe is what *should* happen, but won't. Just look here. Over 90% of respondents are fully or partially in the cult of personality that worships him. They think he dreamt the concept of electric cars or solar power, which is nonsense. They think he's a skilled engineer or businessperson, which he's not. At least he's self-moderated his direct engagement in space engineering, and letting qualified people who have actual education make the progress there. His social comments and business deals with respect to space are, not unexpectedly, a sham. \n\nOne small piece of justice may be if the company ever does get coherently valued on the stock market. Tesla is valued as if they'll sell over 100% of cars and that no competitors will exist. That's not possible. Most likely some kind of equilibrium or predictable trajectory will emerge, and markets will be able to see what Tesla's true eventual market share and profit curves will look like. Then Tesla stock and Musk's net worth will correct based on that calibration. He'll still have many centuries worth of personal wealth regardless. It's just that the public cult will see their first tangible flaw. \n\nWhy it matters that 90% of redditors are deluded is because they are, or soon will be, the people who would otherwise be holding him accountable. But his con artist aura will prevent them from seeing it. Even here, people try to claim proof of his expertise by citing his wealth. It's tautology.",
"Oh you are going to be a sad little shareholder if you think that means anything at all to Tesla",
"Oh, you're one of those young people who thinks shareholders should have intimate emotional relationships with stock tickers.\n\nFor the normally adjusted readers, I'm not conferring any judgement on either of these stocks and have no involvement with either. I'm just passing on recent information.",
"> as well as many admirable traits\n\ni'm surprised you managed to say admirable with his cock in your mouth",
"Thanks. It’s incredible how many people can be so uneducated on the subject (which is fine), yet speak so confidently (which is not fine).",
"Tesla factories are actually significant safer than the rest of the industry. My buddy was a manufacturing engineer at Tesla from 2012-2022 (recently went to SpaceX).",
"Not even Musks claims to have created Tesla. He’s openly on the record, many many many times, about this.",
"My god, you killed him.",
"> Oh you're one of those people that assumes a younger age because they dont agree with your loaded comments. Im in my 30's with an investment account approaching half a million. Feel free to check my post history to verify.\n\n\nNo, its based on your well below average knowledge and your severe immaturity.\n\n\n> Nikola was solely focusing on semi. Tesla was not.\n\n\nBut your cult leader said he'd have trucks on the road 3 years ago. That's what being uninformed does to you.\n\n\n\n> You seem to pass negative sentiment to Tesla and praising Nikola for being first to market. \n\nNope. You're projecting your own weird emotional attachments and fanboyism.",
"Tell the cult fanboys.",
"For anyone wanting to know how to announce you're an immature incel fanboy, see the above post.",
"You need to ask your guardian to help adjust your meds.",
"Prior to Musk, tesla had not built a single car.",
"They did build them, just not sell them. Or you think Musk joins the company and poof out of sheer greatness of his presence things appear out of nowhere?"
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"/r/atheism's meltdown over this made me watch it. Otherwise who cares?",
"What an absolute dumpster fire. They seem to be completely ignorant of the goodwill this very little gesture creates with the christian scientists and tax payers who made this possible.",
"It made me laugh, though. Isn't that the point of reddit?",
"Nice jumper.",
"Three things I like about the video... her true enthusiasm, her Xmas sweater, and her accent 😁\n\nIt's nice to see a young person with this passion about science and discovery.",
">Otherwise who cares?\n\nNot people like you, obviously.",
"Do you know what otherwise means lol",
"I didn't really get all the suspense, like the rocket goes up and it's over until it starts operating. Then I realized, yeah but there's only one shot.",
"Hard to believe that toxic cesspool subreddit used to be a default sub....\nAnd don't get me wrong, I'm a full blown atheist myself",
"Made all the more stressful, since this mission is absurdly over budget and absurdly past the original schedule. They've been working on this for twenty years - if it blew up, not only would they be unlikely to ever get a replacement, but the government would probably shoot down new project ideas as well. \"The last time we gave you a billion dollars for a project, it all went up in smoke - why should we give you more money now?\"",
"No lol",
"Her enthusiasm is palpable and endearing. Wish I had that kind of passion for anything.",
"On the flip side they would probably want to make a new one to save face.",
"Yeah there's not too many professions/careers that are based around pretty rare events like these. If it succeeds it means many great opportunities for the field for many years to come and potential great discoveries. If it fails it's probably decades until there's another attempt even and during that time even the existing old hubble could very well be out of commission leaving them with even less than they have now.",
"Every other country involved had professional presenters. \n\nBut the US theocracy put forward some dude who looked and spoke like he was an TV Scamgelical minister. \n\nIf your doctor started talking about their profound belief in Santa Clause would you trust them to be even remotely competent?",
"Dr Becky is great. 100% contagious enthusiasm!",
"I wasn't half this nervous and I was extremely nervous. I can totally relate. It is nice to see the passion of others for such things, thank you for sharing, OP!",
"Then you should check out her channel ;)",
"I was as nervous as her, and I don't even have anything to do with it.",
">It's nice to see a young person with this passion about science and discovery.\n\nA scientist. You've just described a scientist while watching a Dr of astrophysics.",
"Becky does great space content, been subbed to her for ages as she's full of enthusiasm and still makes it not too technical. Highly recommend checking her channel out.",
"Sexier than any super model.",
"Over decades the whole thing cost like $10 billion, right?\n\nUSA Military budget 2021 $701 billion\n\nNASA budget 2021 $22 billion.\n\nJust imagine what NASA could do with HALF the US military budget.",
"By the end of next year we could be seeing images from the edge of time beginning. \n\nPretty cool stuff",
"That was too contrived for me to stand. I don't doubt that she was honestly enthusiastic, but demonstrating that *while videoing yourself* is too much for me.",
"And they are saying thats nice to see.",
"Even just 10%. We'd have Dragonfly on Titan in no time.",
"> christian scientist\n\npretty sure this is the very definition of \"oxymoron\"",
"Take your trolling ass elsewhere please.",
"No trolling.",
"> The last time we gave you a billion dollars for a project, it all went up in smoke.\n\nOh, if only it was *just* a billion...",
"She's a YouTuber. Filming herself isn't all that strange.",
"I didn't say it was strange. Quite the contrary.",
"\"Science and religion are mutually exclusive\" is classic trolling. If you honestly believe that to be true you really need to get out of your social bubble.",
"Literal nerdgasm",
"Strange, no. Cringe, yes. If what people do on YouTube, makes it OK, we are in more trouble than I thought.",
"Why would you record yourself. So gross",
"Why would you record yourself. So gross",
"Why would you record yourself. So gross",
"Is there a live tracker as to where the telescope is right now?",
"Is there a live tracker as to where the telescope is right now?",
"I'm an average joe with nothing personal invested in the JWT, but the rocket launch still made me nervous. That's a lot of explosive material sitting under a 10 billion dollar payload, decades of planning, engineering and execution and future decades of science.",
"It's hard to overstate just how much we've learned about the universe in the only the last 30 years. JWST is going to blow the doors open.",
"The paradox of reaction videos. Can't see the reaction without filming it, but filming it influences how a person reacts.",
"\"Otherwise\"",
"I agree, I'm not going to knock her but I couldn't watch this - too cringe for me. It's impossible not to wonder how much is just being played up for the camera.",
"Yes lmao",
"\"lmao\" \"reddit\"",
"The OP links to her youtube channel lol",
"I'd like to see this side-by-side with whatever footage she's watching. Can someone smarter than I make that happen?",
"Yeah, but on the other hand, the military gets many hundreds of billions *every year*, so...",
"Yea, what a hero.",
"https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html",
"Is there any info on how much it would have cost to re-build it should there have been an issue on launch? I imagine most of that 10 billion is the research and development costs, but I don't know anything about the cost breakdown",
"I cant do the side by side thing, but here is a link to the footage starting at the same time that she was watching\n\nhttps://youtu.be/rhtQeqx-riI?t=4754\n\nMaybe you can play one link on a phone and the other link on another phone or a computer",
"sweet, thank you!",
"Mate, what do you think the video in the OP is?",
"Hey thanks!\n\nI made this.\n\nhttp://www.youtubemultiplier.com/61c8e0a6a3327-an-astrophysicistzs-live-reaction-to-the-james-web.php",
"Awesome",
"Okay now go back in the convo",
"What can I say, he's a mad twit.",
"It was a bit too cringe for me, I couldn't imagine filming myself for ten minutes reacting to something.\n\nMaybe live streaming it with a video of yourself in the corner would be better.",
"Holy shit, someone is mad I'm not progressive. I love it.",
"Look, think of it this way: one reason acting takes skill is that acting \"authentically\" does not work all that well to communicate feeling to an audience. You have to do extra.\n\nSo sure, it might not be exactly what she would do in the absence of a camera. But you can take comfort in the fact that she is nevertheless doing her best to communicate an authentic representation of what she is really *feeling*.",
"Nope. The vast majority of Americans are Christians; therefore, the majority of their scientists are Christians. That's how math works. \n\nWhat you actually DO have is smart people who have compartmentalized one+ area of their life and refused to allow critical thinking to creep into that compartment. If that compartment ever leaks its toxic sludge into their actual science, then we have a problem. But usually the two don't even come into contact. Biology and astronomy (edit: and paleontology) are major exceptions. Fundamentalist christians fight tooth and nail to deny biological and astronomical realities and it's pathetic. On the other hand, most casual christians I've met often don't seem to give a shit either way. They're not typically the ones frothing at the mouth about evolution.",
"Not just that, but we must give in our speeches a positive affirmation that God exists and reference quotes from the Bible, despite the research involves being secular and multi-cultural.",
"Science and religion are factually, mutually exclusive. Science makes claims that are testable. To the extent that religion makes testable claims, it is doing science, not religion. For its untestable claims, well, that's not science either.",
"lmao? Is this a joke?",
"> one reason acting takes skill is that acting \"authentically\" does not work all that well to communicate feeling to an audience. You have to do extra.\n\nCould we rephrase as, \"Acting is when you don't express what you're really feeling.\"? And if so, why tell me that? I know what acting is! \n\n> But you can take comfort in the fact that she is nevertheless doing her best to communicate an authentic representation of what she is really feeling.\n\nI take no comfort in it. I already expressed my opinion. I see contrivance. It's not a big deal though. I dropped my little dissent and I've moved on.",
"Yep, and you can certainly be both. I think we can all see her profession in the title, thanks!",
"Acting was only an analogy; of course, on stage, actors are expressing something they are not really feeling. But in terms of conveying something to an audience it's exactly the same whether you are feeling it or not.",
"You've lost me, and again, respectfully, I've lost interest in offering feedback on the video.",
"okay weird",
">The vast majority of Americans are Christians; therefore, the majority of their scientists are Christians. That's how math works.\n\nIf you actually researched this, you'd find that the percentage of people in the US that are Christian is dramatically different from the percentage of US scientists that identify as Christian.\n\nJust because 6*x*% of people in the US identify as such, does not mean 6*x*% of scientists do. In fact, a majority of scientists in the US do *not* believe in any higher power, [per recent studies](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023116664353).\n\nYou're right that scientists can be religious, but your assertions about the population are wrong.",
"This entire post is literally a link to her channel.",
"Yup. I've been watching this for a decade...",
"Rudolph the reindeer...",
">Just imagine what NASA could do with HALF the US military budget. \n\nHire double the bureaucrats.",
"It's impossible to quantify the cost. I'm guessing that just about single piece of JWST went through seceral iterative redesigns through its assembly.\n\n It's likely that some of the tooling to create certain components has become obsolete or so antiquated that it wouldn't make sense rebuilding it 1:1. Meaning, it would probably be cheaper to start from scratch and design/build a new telescope using what we've learned from JWST and the many other spacecraft that have come and gone in the time it took to get JWST off the ground, pun intended.",
"it's in space",
"Those \"bureaocrats\" you're belittling are well underway to give us one of humanities' greatest achievements of all time.",
"What a superstar, I don’t know what aspect of the mission she worked on or if she’s just invested in the data that the space craft will produce, but I was nervous along with her.",
"She laid it on a bit thick. She sure knew she was on camera.",
"Eh, I was hyped about the launch but not really nervous. The Ariane 5 rocket has a 96% success rate. The JWST deployment phase has never been tried, that’s really what I’m nervous about.",
"Well said. It was part nervousness and part \"display behaviour\".\n\nShe wasn't just nervous, she was \"performing the role\" of a nervous person.",
"> Those \"bureaocrats\" you're belittling are well underway to give us one of humanities' greatest achievements of all time.\n\nBullshit. The *engineers* are. The bureaucrats are the ones that overrode the engineers and launched [Challenger.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Boisjoly)",
"There should be more reactions as mature as this one. Bravo.",
"thank you",
"I probably would have thought the same if I didn't know her already. She's a proper nerd with a very good channel about space stuff and she genuinely love space, her work and to talk and share about it.\n\nShe's not some random girl using the attention of JWST to get some attention herself, she's genuinely excited about it, she's made several video about it already in the past and in fact it would have been weird if she DIDN'T live stream it.",
"[Has anyone checked around Hokkaido Island?](https://youtu.be/Et4sMJP9FmM)",
"> she's genuinely excited about it\n\n> I don't doubt that she was honestly enthusiastic",
"Just like the most experienced journeyman is still an electrician.",
"I feel relieved that she remembered to blink….",
"I'm aware. Given the budget NASA is provided with, however, $10 billion plus or minus is a measurable percentage. Hell, if Scott Manley is right, JWST very well might be the most expensive unmanned mission ever.\n\nAnd let's face it... $10 billion thrown away would sting the military, too. It would have paid for a new *Nimitz*-class carrier *and* about 20 F-18E block III Super Hornets.\n\nThat is, as they say, real money.",
"\"The rocket goes up\" is fucking complicated and has so many smaller steps that can go wrong. That rocket has to grab the laws of nature by the nutsack and make them its bitch every step of the way to keep from exploding, much less keeping some of the most sensitive equipment ever made from breaking.",
"A lot of reaction videos seem like this, including other Dr Becky ones such as watching Contact. More acting than reacting, I find them hard to watch but it really seems like part of the YouTuber thing now. The subscribers are fully immersed and bought into the personality so enjoy the \"extra\" of it all, evident by all the comments. On a separate point, I happened to meet Dr Becky through work a long time ago and she was a lovely and genuine person, and it has been great to see her dive into her real passion of astrophysics.",
"Yea this sums it up best!",
"Sure. But they get that *every year*. The JWST is expressed as a one off expense.\n\nSo they miss one carrier and its contingent of planes for one year. But they can make it up next year. (put aside whether they even need it...)",
"Next up a 3 week long reaction as the shield unfurl",
"Right back at you! It’s great to see older people exploring and using the internet. It can be daunting what with viruses and scams, but we’re proud of you for diving in!",
"I don’t know her name but I really liked her YouTube videos leading up to the launch. Took me from someone with a passing interest in the launch to being captivated.",
"Did you think it was a hidden camera or something???",
"She isn't involved in the spacecraft but will certainly be using some of the data for her work. She specializes in super massive black holes I believe.",
"I was just a little bit worried Russia or China would shoot it down just to be an asshole.",
"I mean, aren't we all?",
"Supermassive black holes and their relationship with the galaxies they are in",
"Real reactions would be a straight face and maybe a little giggle every so often.",
"I mean, it also feels quite performative, but that’s par for the course these days I guess.",
"Right? It is always so conspicuously performative.",
"How do you know her?",
"Usernames people",
"They strongly implied that all the money is just going to useless bureaucrats when in fact that money is going to engineers and such and only a portion is \"lost\" in administrative costs.\n\nIt's a common talking point from fiscal conservatives who want to nickle and dime all of government, even in cases like this where the money is well spent.\n\nObviously it wasn't the administrators who built and launched the rocket, but I thought it was clear enough that that was simply in response to the above person's asinine point.",
"There are literally, unironically, people who would watch this video in its entirety.",
"> I couldn't imagine filming myself for ten minutes reacting to something\n\nThis is literally the basis of millions of videos on YT. Many of these reactors have huge followings, 2 million subscribers or more. Lots of people like watching them as much as you dislike watching them.",
"It's called a reaction video. There are literally millions of them on youtube, many of these reactors have multiple millions of subscribers. Lots of people love watching them....which is probably a surprise to someone like you who likely expects every person on the planet to share your exact likes and dislikes in life...now *that* is weird.",
"Your comment reminded me of [this beautiful scene](https://youtu.be/tY12ewda-Lc?t=98) from Adaptation.",
"I love her channel.",
"How long until the Webb reaches its destination?",
"I think you do not know about Christian Science (its a thing, not two words describing something). Parents have been sent to jail b/c they were Christian Scientists and thusly refused any medical help for their now-deceased children. It’s a very deceptive name for something that has zero scientific foundation.",
"Most scientists are atheist/agnostic. The percentage of religious people does not linearly translate to all professions. I guaran-godamn-tee ya that the priesthood is 100% Christian (as well as all ministers etc.) so why would you be making a blanket percentage statement?",
"I had to unsubscribe from it early on. The people in it are just as self-important about their beliefs as the people they try to villainize",
"A few weeks ago I was reading about all the individual steps that it has to go through to deploy. There's hundreds of steps where even 1 thing going wrong during any of them renders the whole thing useless, and since it sits at the L2 point it's too far to just send up a repair crew like we did with Hubble.",
"Huh?",
"30 years ago we hadn't yet detected a single exoplanet yet. Now we know of thousands to the point that it's not even a newsworthy event to find them anymore. The past few decades have been ridiculous.",
"It is definitely the most dangerous part of any space mission. There are still like 200+ single points of failure that need to be overcome before it’s fully functional too. It’ll apparently take about 6 months to run through all the deployment/testing before it begins the viewing and science that it’s designed for",
"Is this a weird atheist thing?",
"About 10 days according to my math based on the website",
" Dr Becky!",
"Yes, because that was totally a realistic possibility. /s",
"She has a lot of videos on another channel as well if you haven’t seen them\n\nhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcUY9vudNKBNc5Ips1pttGHKjlG5fVV0f",
"28 days, it's in small print but the timeline on the tracking website is in days (30 days total, it's on day 2 now). Edit: Just tried it on my phone and the timeline labels don't show up at all in portrait mode, I can see the days if I turn my phone sideways though.",
"$10 billion, 20 year + development launch in to space. LOOK AT MEEEE. Kinda cringe",
"Fuck James Webb",
"Even better, a scientist who is also young!",
"I felt every bit of that at the same time; got me some sniffles after seeing the solar array open and JWST on its way.",
"Scientist: Ahhh janitor, janitor.\n\nJanitor: Yeah, scientist?",
"Agreed she produces decent content.",
"It's petty, really. \"I don't understand, but I don't give a fuck anyway, I only wanted other people to hear *my* opinion without actually discussing it\". (Despite the voting patterns, it's clear they did not spend any time trying to understand my point at all.) It also has a hint of a \"quit bothering me\" power play, when they could have just not replied at all.\n\nUnfortunately, words like \"respectfully\" don't always indicate maturity.",
"It will be sowing down. It’ll be the distance of the moon tomorrow, 25% of the distance but only 8% of the time.",
"No, of course not - you see her look directly at the camera, after all.\n\nThe point was that she wasn't just nervous, she was making a SHOW of being nervous, for the benefit of viewers. I hope you understand that now.",
"I think the fact that it took longer to design and build than it will actually be in operation for is kinda the crazy part.",
"Dr. Becky! Her YouTube is a lot of fun. Even more fun that there's an Astrophysicist out there that had not ever seen Star Trek or The Expanse, or what seems like most of the popular science fiction.",
"You need a certain amount of sanity to make it through undergrad which you then trade off the longer you are in graduate school.",
"\" If you are a scientist you can't find things beautiful because it's not testable.\"",
"I never said that. Why do you need to misrepresent me instead of addressing what I said? You said religion and science are not mutually exclusive, I showed why they are, then you lie about what I said? That doesn't reflect well on you.",
"lmao are you joking",
"My initial assertion was that a person can be a scientist and religious. You have not showed me why that is false. Not even close. Saying I am the person misrepresentating the others argument doesn't reflect well on you.",
"That's what they said about Hubble and the Mars rovers, and we've even been overachievers on the Voyagers. There's always new science and as the JWST mechanicals were carefully made it may exceed the design lifetime too.",
"There is not a linear relationship between budget and results haha. Just ask the military since you mentioned them.\n\nedit: Not that I wouldn't love to see us invest more in NASA! Just that most of these comments about increasing their budget seem to make some assumptions that most reasonable people would realize are not likely to be true if they questioned them for a second.",
"Fuel is more of an issue here. The fuel running out is currently assumed to be the limiting factor with the JWST. It wasn’t an issue with the rovers, Hubble, and voyagers.",
"So you're always looking for something to be a \"part\" of. What are you a part of now?",
"You should check her other videos on YouTube. If this content helps support free education of the masses then I'm all for it.",
"I laughed at someone being an atheist, like a 14 year old. You defended them. That's funny.",
"okay zealot",
"Yeah, like Christians. You're both fucking idiots.",
"Bro you were a Christian for twenty years lol",
"I mean you could certainly try but with how much that thing cost, you'll be the one who's fucked",
"Not to mention how long people will be peering at the data after its retired.",
"10 years is a long time... I wonder if, by then we'll just go \"Meh... We'll refuel it\".",
"I've watched some of them, it's mostly people doing it to be funny, but it seems a bit forced having a scientist doing it.",
"Huh? Holy shit, you're very typical",
"You've replaced one religion with another. It's amusing.",
"Yes, imagine not being a souless person with very little enthusiasm in life, am I right?",
"It has a refueling port for that reason.",
"When you started acting like a zealot?",
"Even if we send something autonomous then... Seems very doable.",
"r/cringe",
"Yeah... We've come along since my starting days of ZX Spectrum...😉",
"you know what makes YouTube popular like her when they start out its the fact they are authentic and you see there personality. if you've seen her channel you will know 100 that is real. \n\nshe has a real passion and excitement for her job and that is what draws people to her. so yes all the nervousness was real.",
"It's pretty sad to get cringe out of regular human emotions",
"That's how she became Dr. Becky.",
"And then overacting a bit also isn't strange. But noticing the overacting also isn't strange.",
"I know people IRL who will call cringe/just generally hate on anything a person shows passion for. Whether it be cars or chess. Perhaps the fact they don't have the same passion for anything in life makes them feel the need to diminish these things. I'm really not sure on how it works in their head. But its so sad to see. Pathetic really.\n\nThe very same person collects toy figures and doesn't seem to understand that people could easily call cringe on that just the same.",
"I'd rather spend it all on decarbonizing if it's all the same to you.",
"r/cringe",
"I have noticed this too and my take on it is this: people who have passion inside but have either be ridiculed for it or are too lazy to get better at said passion deal with inner frustration by projecting these emotions on others who are more open with their way of living. It's a frustration stemming from not being okay with yourself",
"I saw Challenger and Columbia and while this is not a manned mission it is stiill historic, and that's a LOT of of flamable gas under a fragiile payload.",
"Well I mean to be fair, my cohort has a lot of doctors and we did watch a lot of pop culture. To this day I have no idea how my advisor became a doctor himself.",
"The ten year span pisses me off too. Seems like for a few billions more we could have doubled life!\nBut I'm also not a NASA engineer, so what the fuck do i know.",
"Not the telescope, the jackass it's named after",
"I hope we are that smart!",
"This probably puts him in the top few percent of computer literate people for those too young to know.",
"Some of us are, however, if covid and certain other societal changes and status quo's which will remain nameless (by me anyway) are anything to go by, the majority of us definitely aren't.\n\nThe great filter isn't as magestic as many would have hoped, if it has to be a thing it might as well be cool, but it isn't... it's our own collective, cumulative and exponentially increasing stupidity and ignorance and moreso the fact we're willing to accept it all, or worse embrace it; or the majority are/do anyway...",
"We're fucked. We can't see glaciers melting? We can't kill carbon. We are dumb, and we will kill ourselves either through green house gasses or nuclear war. Earth wins, humans lose, in every scenario.",
"Fair enough",
"Now you do?",
"Yea... We are fucked. Societally, economically, politically and environmentally. There's no fix for this and I hope you're comfortable because we probably won't see the end to this (I fucking hope I'm dead by then) but it's coming.",
"Dr. Becky also takes part in the Sixty Symbols youtube channel. She talks about messier objects often and is genuinely excited by her field (contagiously so).",
"It is sad and it will be uncomfortable, for everyone, and probably even faster than we think.",
"You’re not wrong, and it’s likely gonna be the only way we get expensive stuff into space for a very long time. Perhaps a space elevator will be the next evolution of transport into LEO",
"What the fuck is \"ignostic\"",
"lmao I love this.",
"No. Anyway, what is \"ignostic\"",
"Ignostic isn't a word lol\n\nThis is beautiful",
"That's agnosticism. What is ignosticism?",
"Yeah that's not a thing. Are you drunk? How stupid are you? You're a believer and it's hilarious.",
"It's not a word. How much of a weird zealot are you lol",
"Dang you love having strong opinions about things you can know nothing about.",
"Dude you went from loving Jesus to proselytizing on reddit against him like normal people aren't thinking \"What the fuck this guy is insane\"",
"Bro, you're acting like a Christian",
"Found the time traveler. Or are you just moving really fast?",
"I meant I've been watching the project, silly, once it looked like it'd *actually* launch and not get canceled.",
"Buddy, he’s a troll. Check his comments. This is what he does.",
"I got sucked in too. You can’t fix toxic."
] | 201 | videos | A VERY nervous astrophysicist's live reaction watching the James Webb Telescope Launch |
https://youtu.be/mb4rEUUurT4 | /r/videos/comments/roxgcu/a_better_clearer_understanding_of_our_universe_is/ | [
"This video walkthrough following from post-launch unfolding, to a full explanation of JWST’s abilities and targets, is 100% worth the 45 min time investment and worth paying close attention to, IMO.",
"This was a fantastic watch, thanks so much.",
"Very interesting! Does the James Webb have any technology which guides it away from being struck by space rocks, or any other debris?",
"My understanding of the L2 Lagrange point is that it will not be a well for space objects, so it's unlikely but not impossible that the JWST will encounter much out there. More info here: https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/4050/is-there-a-lot-of-space-trash-at-the-earth-moon-lagrange-points",
"Thank you!",
"Yeah, keep in mind, space is fucking *huuuuge*. Even if you were flying the space-shuttle through a \"dense asteroid field\", it's not like in star wars where you'd be dodging them all around. There's probably still countries worth of space between even the closer asteroids. At least, that's my understanding, but basically space is huge and even stuff considered \"close together\" are still *realllly* far apart.",
"Why didn’t they put the telescope on a 360 swivel. Instead of the donut they could have captured the whole half of the sky.",
"Good troll",
"Yep absolutely this, I remember reading that if you were to stand on an asteroid in the belt between Mars and Jupiter you would not be able to see any other asteroids as they are so far apart, *huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge*",
"There's no need, if given a slight rotation, the camera will slowly capture the full 360 over a full day",
"Oh if that’s the case that’s pretty neat",
".",
"I love how people complain about the cost of it, as if over the course of its development it wasn't worth it. lol\n\nIn terms of government spending, that was a bargain. Its damn shame NASA doesn't have more funding as it is.\n\nBack on topic, I REALLY hope that after they get it up and running, they do side by side comparison of the Hubble to the James Webb to compare. I know won't be a exact thing because, well space, but be need to see.",
"It probably has to do with the electronics and cooling. I'm no engineer but having it on a 360 swivel seems harder to cool and run wires through.\n\nAlso it has to be pointed away from the sun, that's what the big sheets do. it actually has a really small view up to like 45 degrees. \n\nlook up scott manly, he did a shorter version of this video",
"Really enjoying it so far. Nothing could have prepared me for the camera reveal of the first speaker haha",
"[This video might answer your question 12:43](https://youtu.be/aICaAEXDJQQ?t=747). Basically the chances of it being hit by micro-meteorites is pretty likely, so they have added rip stop seams along the layers so that one impact wont cause a runaway tear. Not sure if that was the kind of space rock you meant.",
"They gonna find a new variant in another system and lock us down forever!",
"that woman jackie should never be a public speaker. im saddened i cant finish the video due to her.",
"it's CGI heaven baby :D",
"This cost so much when you compare it to the $8T\n spent on Iraq and Afghanistan wars \n\n/S\n\nhttps://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar",
"It is! Thanks team",
"The complaint is that all that money was spent on a large complicated basket full of eggs. The risks are very high this thing might still not work and it's predicted lifetime is only ten years.\n\n I mean it was delayed so many times because it was so complicated.\n\nMaybe we would have been better off launching smaller less complicated telescopes earlier.",
"Imagine what 8 trillion into space exploration would do.",
"Its meh, at best.",
"If I can walk outside and be fine in the sun, why does the telescope need shielded a million miles away? What could happen to it?",
"Earth has an atmosphere and a magnetic field to protect you from the sun. Space doesn’t have that.",
"AHA thank you!",
"That guy has a strong look indeed!\n\nI was in awe from the mid infrared view. Gonna be a long wait for these pics.",
"As Earth and L2 orbit the Sun over a **year**, the “donut” field of view will encompass the full 360.",
"Thanks, couldn't remember if it was over a day or a year",
"Np. They discuss this at about 27 minutes into the video",
"Did you not even read up on what it can do? \"smaller less complicated\" won't even work to replace hubble. THAT is what this is for, to be complicated. In fact, every single time the ignition button is pressed to launch is a very high risk for ANY space object.\n\nfyi \"predicted\" lifetime is what its designed too do, Hubble is way past that date, Mars rovers? remember they was suppose to last what 6 months and years later still going.",
">Did you not even read up on what it can do? \"smaller less complicated\" won't even work to replace hubble.\n\nThis won't either. Hubble was an optical telescope, this is an infrared one. They were designed for different purposes.\n\n>In fact, every single time the ignition button is pressed to launch is a very high risk for ANY space object.\n\nMan I hate arguments like this. I don't know if you are being dishonest on purpose but this is a dishonest as fuck argument. You are saying all risk is the same so might as well take huge risks. That's bullshit. The risk for this is vastly more than any other telescope. It's more complicated, it can't be fixed, it took decades and it cost more than 20 billion dollars.\n\n>fyi \"predicted\" lifetime is what its designed too do, \n\nIt's going to run out of fuel. That's presuming it actually works as planned in the first place."
] | 34 | videos | A better, clearer understanding of our universe is coming sooner than you’d imagine - What will James Webb Space Telescope see out there. |
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wO61D9x6lNY&feature=share | /r/videos/comments/roxse1/outside_in/ | [
"still one of my favourite videos",
"This is amazing, thanks for sharing",
"If you enjoyed this, I like this video even better: [The Shape of Space](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gLNlC_hQ3M)"
] | 3 | videos | Outside In |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12OlAe2Sfes | /r/videos/comments/roy6gm/craig_fergusons_peabodywinning_episode_with/ | [
"Craig is one of the best late night hosts I feel, but doesn't get the recognition he deserves. You have Kinmel, and Corden and Fallon etc.\nThis guy is light years ahead of them in terms of intellect, humor, being genuine and actually caring about people and subjects worth caring about.\nAt least he gets some recognition here on reddit.\nIf you're reading this Craig, you're great and we appreciate you.",
"Oh wow. I just watched this whole thing and then saw the news. I hadn’t known he had died today. \n\nI’ve heard Craig talk about this interview many times. I’m going to look up what he has to say.",
"Thanks for posting this OP",
"Desmond Tutu giving me yoda vibes",
"I feel that Corden gets too much shit. His show is fun and watchable, especially the pandemic episodes. He seems to have leaned his lesson and not only knows the names of all the cast & crew, he involves plenty of them in the monologue. He's not my favorite, but he's not nearly as terrible as reddit makes out to be.\n\nBut any comparison to Ferguson is unfair. It's like comparing oranges and fire extinguishers.",
"I just understood the context for posting this video. May he rest in peace. Such incredible wisdom from this interview.",
"He being Desmond Tutu to be clear.",
"I wonder what Desmond thought about Isreal and the apartheid of the palestines?",
"He wrote this article in 2014: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/desmond-tutu-to-haaretz-this-is-my-plea-to-the-people-of-israel-1.10494007",
"One of the most personable people ever.",
"I absolutely adore Craig. He always seemed so down to earth and just fun. When I was going through my rough patches, I would always end up back at his we are all people who go through things monologs. I will never forget being younger and watching this man say that we should not be making fun of celebrity breakdowns and giving me a whole new outlook on mental illness",
"desmond is fine but i prefer ze interviews with ze daffy dook",
"When Desmond talked about the system of dehumanization and the resentment, it reminded me of [Stephen Fry's 5 minute talk on normalizing evil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdu4y8WxgDo) and how language can also be used to normalize evil and that we should recognize and understand evil-doers as humans despite their shortcomings.",
"Imho, I think Craig is the best late night host there has ever been, including the greats like Carson etc. I miss his show dearly.",
"Craig F: \"Imagine electing a president with dark skin\", and then the audience laugh.\n\nThat is a great fucking racist laugh :/",
"You're an idiot.",
"[Great Video about his style](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MU4Cz62so)",
"Careful Icarus",
"...baaaalllllls...",
"I'd love to have him back. I'd watch him every night just like I used to. He was moving, charming, astute and most of all had control of the entire show like no other. A true genius. We should have him every night.",
"Are you trolling right now, or do you really just not understand sarcasm?",
"🤦🏻♂️\n\nStay racist USA",
"i can’t imagine a worse understanding of why he said that or they laughed lol",
"Great idea we can even have a pageant for the best rape victim of the year. ಠ_ಠ\n\n**Edit:** I don't like this comment standing in a vacuum. So you can appreciate the sarcasm the deleted comment was some asshole suggesting that R. Kelly's victims get Peabody awards...",
"Sarcasm, irony, satire and dark humor require specific types of intelligence to comprehend as its cognitive impact varies based on a person's ability to recognize the context of the message and to infer the attitude of the messenger. Those with higher functioning social skills tend to be better at detecting these things and well this person likely just isn't that high functioning when it comes to social situations i.e. a mouth breathing neckbeard.",
"What a skillful message about the compassion, forgiveness, and magnanimity of humanitarian effort, recognising that when you implement dehumanising policies, due to the nature of human interconnectedness and social reality, you dehumanise yourself.",
"that adorable laugh!"
] | 29 | videos | Craig Ferguson's Peabody-winning episode with Desmond Tutu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njy7pMVKJ8Q | /r/videos/comments/roy8c6/nate_smith_gives_a_lesson_in_counting_music/ | [
"Yo, that shit was hard.",
"Does he have a song with that beat? Really liked the first 40 seconds of it.",
"Skip step is similar, but if you like this you should check out all Nate’s stuff. He’s incredible, one of the best alive",
"It's hard because he's not using a 4/4 time signature (I'm pretty sure he's using 7/4?). Which is funny because he was like, \"C'mon, this is Chicago, man!\" when most of the genres Chicago is known for use a 4/4 time signature.",
"That is NOT EASY! I need someone to Rick Beato this for me.",
"This is fuckin brilliant.",
"not a lesson because I have zero idea what's being counted. Just cheat and copy surly sax man.",
"Clap - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7\n\nClap - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 \n\nClap - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 \n\nThen just feel out the changes in tempo as they come.",
"Not sure why you are downvoted, he definitely has them clapping in relation to a 7/4 signature. He even conducts a bar and the clap falls on what would be beat 4 of the second measure if it was 4/4. This is hard for a trained musician to pick up on with the first listen/watch, it is honestly insane to expect an audience to get it right without practicing it like he does here. I'm a percussionist with over 15 years of classical+ experience and it still threw me for a loop trying to figure out the time signature.",
"It's in 7/4 time signature. It's not really about having rhythm, it's an awkward lesson on just clapping at set intervals. It's actually awkward as a trained musician to just follow along with such an awkward time signature.",
"In 7/4? I'm a percussionist with over 15 years of experience and it still threw me for a loop. No one does 7/4.",
"7/4 feels so nice.",
"It's not \"pedantic jargon\", it's music theory. Time signature is much more than a \"symbol on a page\" and if you knew anything about music, you would understand that. I'm a percussionist with a decade and a half of playing experience, rhythm is kinda the whole thing. There's a reason why no one uses 7/4. It's awkward and hard to follow. The drummer isn't even playing anything to even clue you in on what time signature he is playing in, he intentionally avoids downbeats and changes the rhythm that he is playing before the repetition clues you in on what it is. This isn't a \"lesson in counting\" but an awkward attempt at getting them to just follow along with his awkward beat.",
"Adam Neely is great at explaining things like this.",
"If they were that's on me. I gave the discussion an edge by name-calling first. They obviously know what their talking about.",
"I said I was assistant manager at a \"store\". I haven't had a job at Mcdonalds *or* Wendys since I was in high school a decade ago. Holy shit, you have to be a real piece of work to go digging that far to make an ad hominem attack that still isn't even true.",
"Attack?? I worked at Burger King in my adult life myself! Don't take it that way man dang\n\nAlso it's super easy to find out what someone does using a Reddit username analyser. I was curious if you were a famous musician",
"Bro just count \"1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 7 and 1 and 2 and 3...\" with the rhythm. Clap on the 7."
] | 18 | videos | Nate Smith gives a lesson in counting music |
https://youtu.be/t8_5erSd92Q | /r/videos/comments/royxts/i_think_this_is_a_pretty_satisfying_video_most_of/ | [
"Im-press-ive.",
"Imitation is the saddest form of flattery.",
"So many"
] | 3 | videos | I think this is a pretty satisfying video (most of it) |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJIFa9PqwU | /r/videos/comments/rozve7/i_turned_down_a_multimillion_dollar_tv_deal/ | [
"My respect for Dr. Mike just went up tenfold.",
"Thought it was gonna be a load of BS with the title. But after watchin the video, mad props to this guy.\nNot willing to compromise on his views and beliefs for a quick million.\nHe has a lot of integrity.\nI don't think many people could have been as strong as him.",
"I agree. When someone is throwing millions of dollars at you, as well as fame and notoriety, that's really hard to turn down. I think a lot of people would be too tempted, knowing opportunities like this are exceedingly rare. Dr. Mike had a chance to become one of the most successful and well-known doctors in the world. But he turned it down because it would've compromised his integrity.\n\nThat's something we need more of these days. A LOT more of."
] | 3 | videos | I Turned Down A Multi-Million Dollar TV Deal… |
https://youtu.be/19XJPU0dT3s | /r/videos/comments/rozw4b/hot_tent_camping_in_snow/ | [
"I don't need that wood stove at all, but goddammit I want it.",
"What an exceedingly lovely scene.\n\nEdit: downvoting compliments?",
"I still wouldn’t feel happy with a fire in a tent. Such an efficient way to poison with carbon monoxide then suffocate yourself to death, even when the flames are out. And that assumes the tent is fireproof.",
"tents aren't like... draft proof",
"Well, he is keeping his tent door open, but he said he lets the fire die down when he sleeps… that’s iffy. Still risky but seems like he knows what he’s doing.",
"I'm sorry. What you really need is some camping with Steve\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwjZqBJwng",
"Man, I need to go camping again. Haven't been camping since I was a kid, but I loved it. Just don't have any gear, nor have the time anymore.",
"I mean… he has a working chimney. The area with the stove has no bottom so there is constant air flow. I’ve seen much more archaic setups than that that have worked just fine",
"If the stove pipe is venting exhaust pretty far away from where he's sleeping that should be fine no?",
"I came here to say the same thing. Steve is so awesome!",
"Man, all the outdoorsy youtubers are doing hot tenting vids at the moment. This one doesn't seem sponsored but that stove brand have appeared prominently in a lot of the other ones I've seen recently.",
"It’s sponsored.",
"oh is it? I flicked through but didn't see the actual sponsor bit.",
"I thought he was being a bit sneaky too, the link is there.\n\n> New and Exclusive look at this awsome titanium tent stove from P***** for hot tent camping . This stove is a great addition to add to your camping gear as it works as a wood stove for heating a shelter and as a bbq box for cooking outdoors. I will have more information and videos as I use it more and become more familiar with it. So far I love it and I hope you guys enjoy the sneak peek.\nHuge thank you to P******.",
"The guy who has a Youtube channel as a professional bushcrafter... may know what hes doing? He has tons of videos doing this exact thing. A hot tent... literally used for hundreds of years and this one being LITERALLY designed for this purpose...\n\nBut u/cockwombles says dont do this? Joe Robinet, Fowler, Corprals Corner, Greg Ovens, Outdoor exposure... i do apologize but i hate when reddit experts chime in on unrealistic shit.",
"There isn’t an airflow when the door is closed, a tent isn’t a breathable membrane. When the embers are burning in the stove, that’s when it can cause carbon monoxide poisoning because it doesn’t get drawn up.\n\nIt’s usually fine but I wouldn’t mess with it personally.",
"You see that there is no closed bottom to the stove area, right? So it is breathable from below the skirt",
"Professional bushcrafter? It’s just a guy with a YouTube channel. \n\nMy family have been nomadic for generations, I’ve always liked bushcraft, and camping. One thing you don’t mess with is cooking in a confined space, and no hundreds of years ago hot tents were not like that one.",
"I can see it now thanks! That’s kind of a relief to be honest, I was thinking how do people not die using those.",
"Steve is the epitome of stealth camping",
"Mongolian Gers didnt exist? Good to know. Like what one? Ventilated? Covered in fabric?\n\nProfessional: he does this for his career.. guy has hindres of thousands of followers. Tens of millions of views. What would you constitute as a professional \"bushcrafter\"?\n\nNever cook in closed confined spaces? Define that please. So youre saying that any form of a shelter... lets say a makeshift BUSHCRAFT LOG HUT... with a makeshift clay FIREPLACE... with Chimney... you should not cook on it...?\n\nAs for the other stuff.. im gonna easily say 76.829% is bullshit.\n\nEdit: i change my opinion. I am gonna say 96% of what you are saying is BS. Not only based on the fact that your history shows 0 involvment in any of the \"interests\" you claim but the fact that you seem to be \"traveling\" most of the time on reddit.",
"Not a bad video but this guy needs to learn editing. Cuts out the interesting parts and goes on forever about nothing",
"Good grief, you know anyone can make a YouTube channel and post whatever dangerous nonesense they like? Why are you being so aggressive anyway, I’m just saying it’s dangerous, and it is.\n\nIf we give him the benefit of the doubt, as it seems like it was well designed and is used sensibly with a Carbon monoxide monitor etc, kids will always copy things like this and people will die, like they do every year. People don’t seem to know just putting a few glowing stove embers in a tent porch can kill you. \n\nA Mongolian tent is much larger and a more breathable membrane, but if you’re in a yurt glamping or similar, you shouldn’t be cooking in it either.\n\nI used to live in a caravan, (I’m from the travelling community btw) we always cooked outside. Definitely don’t BBQ in any confined space. I’ve known people die this way, it’s very sad.\n\nEdit, sorry forgot to answer. No you shouldn’t install a fireplace that doesn’t have a safety check done on it. In the U.K. this would be illegal.\n\nSecond edit, I don’t feel the need to post about travelling or bushcraft or whatever you are calling it. It was just a way of life I was raised with. It’s not like a hobby I need to brag about. Besides, this should be common sense. Too many people die when they go camping every year out of ignorance.",
"I came here to say this too. That is neat as hell.",
"reminds me of the part of Into the Wild where Jon Krakauer sets his tent on fire and it melts before him because he smoked weed and had to have oatmeal.\n\nAlso if you've never touched grass before, this is the least practical thing ever invented",
"Considering the weight and time to process the firewood, you could just grab one of those lithium ion power stations with a solar cell and bring a microwave camping.\n\nI mean I get having a stove like that in a setup for something more long-term, but a stove for one of those little tents? No.",
"I don't even like nor go camping, I just want it for the hell of it.",
"Tell them to come to Red Deer and try one at -30.",
"I'm surprised he didn't blow the seasoning off his steak. Enjoyed watching that 60 min ad.",
"I found the rambling and long cuts of no talking relaxing. Just had him vibing in the background while I did some work. Was pretty nice",
"A microwave doesn't keep you warm in sub-zero conditions... Unless you modify it. But then you're creating a whole bunch more problems for yourself...",
"That dude's stove is out in his vestibule.\n\nIn sub-zero conditions, bring a good sleeping bag and pull it over your head so that you're breathing into it.\n\nYou'll poke your head back out because it will get too warm.\n\nIf you were making a yurt with a stove in it, I'd get it.",
"How is this not inviting bears into the tent with the smell of bear meat smoke",
"minus thirteen and its blistering cold? This man is clearly not from Canada.",
"Same. Got ASMR vibes, found it rather soothing.",
"https://youtu.be/UyXzn9-Rcg0",
"Wouldn't it be a lot colder if it wasn't snowing? like, snow on the ground with clear skies is way worst than actively snowing.",
"god damnit it man. downvote me all the fuck you want, but fuck these kinds of videos. Sorry, ok? but sitting around, using all your expensive ass bushcraft shit? all for the sake of the video/advertisement? shit is so fake. no depth. no real advice. no story. 10m views. fuck you. minimal effort and all for the money. Steves shit is so much better then this fucking HORSE shit. it frankly shouldn't even be allowed to be posted here. it's literally taking the slot that could be occupied by original, meaningful, GOOD, I said GOOD, content. this is literally just a fucking ad.",
"Yeah Steve is the man",
"What an idiot, why would you camp basically in someones back yard in view of large windows. I didn't read the title of the video until the very end but from the very start that seemed like a disaster in the making. Even if his concept is \"stealth camping\" that just looks like the most boring place to camp.",
"Anyone know where I can purchase that sweater he's wearing?"
] | 43 | videos | Hot Tent Camping In Snow |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IagyGk-s0-M&t=199s | /r/videos/comments/rp0018/postal_worker_being_attacked_loose_dog/ | [
"Well that address is now black listed.",
"I've seen another of these videos recently and it makes my wonder why people are so utterly useless in these situations. Punt the fucking dog in the side/head/whatever. Tapping it on the shoulder with a broom handle isn't going to do shit. Tugging it lightly on the neck isn't going to do shit. I understand not wanting to hurt an animal, but when it's at the point that it's attacking like this then it's time to put an end to that attack ASAP\n\n/signed someone who was bitten badly by a dog as a kid only to find out it was the 3rd time it attacked someone but mine was the worst so they finally put it down.",
"I can only imagine the carnage had that been a Chihuahua.",
"Awww that widdle pibble just wanted to play! How dare those people hit that poor baby. They’re so sweet and gentle. I leave my newborn with our velvet hippo all the time, for hours in end. He’s a snuggle monster that will lick you to death! /s Fuck shit bulls.",
"I'm with you, that dog needed to be kicked hard.",
"i share this exact sentiment, people literally do nothing in these scenarios involving dogs, always baffles me",
"when can we all grow as a society and make it illegal to breed pitbulls? it's really not that complicated, and the statistics are plenty reason",
"racist",
"Yeah dude. Pit bulls have no quit, that shit was bread out of them. Quitters don't win in fighting pits.\n\nYour best bet is to choke the dog out.",
"i don't know why people own aggressive dog breeds, pitbull and pitbull adjacent breeds should not be allowed",
"No kidding, the post office does black list addresses that have aggressive dogs.",
"Nurture over nature. I have 12 year old pit mix that is the highlight of the dog park. He loves everyone and everyone loves him. It's all about how you raise them.",
"But, that's what all of the pit owners say, though. The dog was raised lovingly, but suddenly turned. Why is that?",
"Because they are not good owners and did not raise them correctly. It's the same as parents. You can claim to be a good parent but that doesn't mean you are one",
"Fuck you, i own a pit and she is the sweetest dog. Not all dogs are aggressive like this",
"Because people lie",
"Moron!",
"All the owners of a pit who ever attacked someone, do you know what they said before the attack occured?\n\nWhat you said.",
"Said every pit owner ever.\n\nYou just can't nurture their prey drive away. Oh it work be fine for years. Until the incident happens. When your loving pit turns into a monster that you don't recognize and could've never imagined. It just needs the wrong trigger in the wrong situation and that's it.\n\nBetter to take the breed out of the equation. There are so many breeds, the world doesn't need pitbulls.",
"Been training and boarding dogs for 25 years. Never met an aggressive dog that wasn't 100% caused by the owner being a fucking idiot with no place ever owning a dog in the first place. Breed aside. Pits get all the attention because people raise them to be aggressive in high crime areas as a deterrent to home invasions. If pits didn't exist they would be replaced by something else. The stigma for pitbulls is just dumb.",
"Exactly, haven't you seen my heckin' pibble with a flower crown? Such nanny dogs!",
"No u",
"It used to be Rottweilers and Dobermans. Then GSDs.\n\nIt's always shitty owners. The difference being, a strong working dog can kill, while that little yapping rat of a dog just tears your ankle apart.\n\nI'm not speaking against pits or others, I have two pits myself. But people need to be responsible and understand how strong their dogs are, regardless of temperament. Even the sweetest and best trained dog can get nervous, or find something not quite right about someone.",
"No, but all dogs CAN be aggressive. Your 80lb pit has one of the strongest jaws of all dogs. IF she comes across someone who makes her nervous, she's doing a lot of damage to that person. It's on you to keep her properly restrained.",
"Agreed 100%",
"but just like humans, you can be a good parent and still have bad outcomes.\n\nunfortunately, with pitbulls, the odds of the bad outcome are much higher than any other dog on the planet, even if you are a good owner."
] | 26 | videos | Postal worker being attacked loose dog |
https://youtu.be/r-Kg0nk7Ycg?t=60 | /r/videos/comments/rp08ji/this_hacker_proudly_uploading_videos_of_himself/ | [
"Yeah...they don't care. Trolling is the entertainment for them, not the game.",
"Twat spotted. Cheaters can go fug themselves",
"I wouldn't even report them. As horrible as they are they need the advantage.",
"China numba 1!",
"Honestly I like seeing videos like this so you can see first hand what's out there. Feels validating to know what you're up against. It's crazy to see how fast they're deleting people in the games, think about how one person can so quickly ruin the time of 10 times more people at least."
] | 5 | videos | This hacker proudly uploading videos of himself cheating in COD and Halo to youtube |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rp0ryq/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rp0ryq/deleted_by_user/ | [
"I’m Scarred… Scarred For Life!",
"Dislike",
"This was really well done"
] | 3 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=04LXdREFls8 | /r/videos/comments/rp0wor/honey_or_slime_juice_anyone/ | [
"👁️👄👁️ \n\n\n*slurp slurp slurp*",
"This isn't actually in the game though, its just rendered in afterwards right?",
"yeah it’s a not so good blender job"
] | 3 | videos | Honey or Slime Juice Anyone? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbYszLNZxhM | /r/videos/comments/rp0yzq/guy_crashes_his_plane/ | [
"Faaaaake",
"So why you posting this BS?",
"A bit weird that he's filming (with a selfie stick) during an emergency) 🤔",
"“I didn’t think I’d have the courage to sell you the ridge wallet while I faked an emergency in a way that could have killed an innocent bystander. So after I turned my engine off and grabbed my selfie stick…”",
"This is pretty infuriating. Unless this dude coordinated with the FAA and whatever govt agency is responsible for the land he crashed his plane on- I imagine he could be in a lot of trouble for faking this (assuming it’s fake). At best this guys is a total coward and atrocious pilot, at worst he just turned a perfectly good airplane into a lawn dart for likes, possibly putting people on the ground at risk and the public land he chose for this stunt. Post crash fire, fluid leaks, etc.",
"Don't give this guy views, shit's staged af. As the video comments point out, could be an RC plane showed crashing."
] | 6 | videos | Guy crashes his plane |
https://youtu.be/kKWO7L3Gt24 | /r/videos/comments/rp1c81/fake_game_boy_advance_restoration/ | [
"As soon as you use soap and water or even put it through a dishwasher it kills the life spam of the device(s)",
"My OCD flares up as he's walking by Trash, and literally kicks a lightbulb.",
"It just every time i see videos like this. You can tell as soon as the video starts with walking to a area and unexpectedly finds a hand held console. You know its fake. The matter i called it when soap and water is used by watching only 5 seconds is really bad.",
"Fuck, I've been putting all my handheld consoles through the dishwasher.",
"reducing life spam actually sounds like a pretty worthy cause.",
"I actually feel some sympathy for people in 3rd world countries who are seeing YouTube videos which are shall we say ‘usually less fake’, and copying them for money. \n\nHowever there have been expose videos that show they are usually run by the same people who exploit the folks in them and run scam networks. \n\nThe same kinds of videos show cooking tips (often dangerous ones), or the ones where they build a pointless pool in the jungle, secretly using a digger. They leave the mess they created, pretty awful.",
"Ikr. 😭",
"As long as they aren't abusing puppies for views, I don't mind."
] | 8 | videos | Fake Game Boy Advance Restoration |
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rp1unr/deleted_by_user/ | /r/videos/comments/rp1unr/deleted_by_user/ | [
"Does your stove also double as a pyrotechnic device?",
"If someone puts something flammable on top, yes.",
"This sobered me up about not going to such places :|",
"A bit different. Ones an oven. The other are pyrotechnics in a highly flammable building with blocked and locked exits, with the exception of 1 door.",
"You can still go, just realize that if there's a fire, there ~~are~~ should be multiple emergency exits. Also try to locate the fire extinguishers.\n\n>NIST NCSTAR 2: Vol. I\n\n>**Report of the Technical Investigation\nof The Station Nightclub Fire**\n\n>“[…] Three emergency\nexits were available: the front main entrance on the north (limited by the single door into the vestibule),\nthe single door on the west near the performance platform, and the single door on the east side of the main\nbar. A fourth door in the kitchen was not considered accessible to the patrons. The first patrons\nrecognized the fire danger about 24 seconds after ignition of the foam; the bulk of the crowd began to\nevacuate shortly after that, around the time the band stopped playing (30 seconds). The rate of egress\nfrom the main entrance at the front of the building was limited initially by the single doorway inside the\nvestibule, not the double doors visible from\nthe outside. From 56 percent to 66 percent\nof the occupants appear to have attempted to\nleave through the single main entrance in t\nfront of the building; many were\nunsuccessful. The windows in the main bar\nroom and the sunroom became the\nsecondary routes of escape once the main\nentrance became impassable, and, according\nto reports, they accounted for over 1/3 of the\nsuccessful evacuations. \n\n>Prior to 1-1/2 minutes into the fire, a crowdcrush occurred in the front vestibule which\nalmost entirely disrupted the flow through\nthe main exit. Many people became stuck in\nthe prone position in the exterior double\ndoors.” —https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=100988",
"I think the point is how fast a fire can get out of control.",
"Seen it before, really needs a NSFL flair",
"I lived in the area at the time. My old roommates cousin was there. He was one of the people pulling people out of the pile up in the door. My roommate said he had massive PTSD from watching all those people die and had no way to get any treatment.",
"Indeed, and you needn't even think that far. I merely wanted to get the point across about how dangerous fire is. It's stupidly easy to haphazardly put something on the stove, such as your hand, and suffer lifelong consequences. Even worse, injure someone else because of your negligence.",
"helluva an example to use. i remember seeing this footage (not the really bad parts) as they covered it on the fox 5 news at night.\n\nit fucked me up because i was just a young kid staying up late for the 10:00 10:30 pm Simpsons reruns.",
"The Station nightclub fire: What happened and who's to blame for the disaster in Rhode Island that killed 100? - CBS News\nhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-station-nightclub-fire-rhode-island-what-happened-and-whos-to-blame/",
"Yes, I've read the wiki about the fire, and it's terrifying.\n\nI mean if you are there and try to proceed to the exit and panic erupts, you can't do anything that can save you. People won't listen because there is constant screaming and they will push each other and wont back up one bit.\n\nThe exit door is the scariest part that people are unable to leave although they are mostly outside.",
"I reluctantly added the NSFW (18+) flair. Why reluctantly? I started playing with fire really young, and therefore I should've been willing to acknowledge the dangers of fire really young as well. To me, this is an appropriate example because there is no gore, yet it is terrifying due to the screams and suffocating stampede.",
"Yeah, how many people are living in OP's flat?",
"Get a nice pot of oil and throw a cup of water in it for the finale.",
"The first place I lived in after college had a gas stove. My roommate got drunk one night and attempted to make Mac n cheese. He passed out and the water boiled away until the flame from the stove scorched the pot and set off the smoke detector at 3am. I complained to the landlord who got rid of the gas stove the next week and had an electrician install an outlet for an electric stove. Shit head roommate still did the same thing a few months later but with no flame, the smoke detector never went off and I found an empty pot on the stove when I got up for work at 5:30am.",
"Was told that the other exits were not locked, the crowd crush happened because people panicked and fixated on leaving through the main entrance, where they got stuck and burned. The band for example simply left through a different exit.",
"The worst part is when all the screams stop inside the building.",
"holy shit when the camera man turns around and sees absolutely no one running behind him must have been the scariest fucking feeling on earth........",
"This video will forever haunt me.",
"Its not really your job to be on here teaching lessons. Some of the people you are posting to need shock warning because they dont handle stuff like this properly. Some people have ptsd and you could set them off thinking you are some do gooder training people on fire safety. \n\nThe NSFL tag is there for a reason. Use it.",
"> yet it is terrifying due to the screams and suffocating stampede\n\nWell that's a good reason to have it marked as NSFW.... \n\nI think hearing the screams of people as they burn/suffocate to death is not something that would be suitable for almost any workplace. \n\nI've banned people for posting stuff like this on the subs I mod when they didn't follow the rules and posted unmarked NSFW things.",
"Given enough time, and not enough attention, almost anything is flamable.",
"Electric stoves are dogshit for cooking though. The problem wasn't the appliance, it was your roommate.",
"Part of my fire warden training at work was to watch the Station fire video. This version of the video had a count-up clock, so you could see how fast the fire and smoke spread. It was tense and intense, and I was drenched with sweat when the video was over, and my hands were cramping from gripping the arm rests.\n\n*Fire spreads fast!* The general lesson was: \"Don't stay behind to use the puny fire extinguisher, get out and call the FD!\"",
"Or you could just.. not watch it and mind your own business? Is it really your job to be the content or tag police? If you have an issue, report it. Virtue signaling in the comments wont do shit.",
"If this is virtue signaling wtf is OP doing by saying he is trying to teach people fire safety? Who the fuck is he for deciding what content shouldn’t be tagged properly when thats exactly what the tags are for?",
"Except for the person that you can see burning alive.",
"Eh, it's still wise to tag it. I get what you're saying, and yeah, if someone's sensitive to stuff like this, they should certainly know to avoid a video about a nightclub fire. That being said, it's just common courtesy to tag videos with their appropriate tags. Consider that maybe some people scroll through specifically looking for NSFW videos (for whatever reason), and miss this one because it wasn't tagged.\n\nAll in all, might as well just tag it, it's common courtesy and you can still teach/get your point across while still tagging it correctly.",
"Not to mention fire extinguishers are great for *small* fires. Anything substantial or with an accelerant, chances are unexperienced people will use up the extinguisher before putting it out completely. That's also not considering how many places have outdated extinguishers that are no longer pressurized and need service. Larger chains all must have contracts to get them serviced (never seen one without charge in them), but half the privately owned mom/pop, or smaller stores have ones that aren't effective anymore.",
"Casually throwing around a video of people dying",
"Same thing happened at my apartment.. God damn macaroni noodles SMOKE BAD WHEN LEFT IN PAN WITH WATER BOILED OUT",
"That camerman is so lucky.",
"How do you do fellow redditors?",
"My roommate once put the toilet paper roll on backwards, so I showed him the Funkytown video.",
"Even though I sympathise with your reasoning, I've got reservations about it. I'm confident there will be far more viewers “educated” by viewing this video than there are outliers who will be disproportionally harmed by it.",
"Again, who the hell are you to be on reddit teaching lessons?\n\nIts far more likely that you are karma whoring deaths and justifying doing so with some bullshit anecdote about teaching your friend a lesson.",
"If this harmless anecdote or innocent advice strikes you as virtue signalling, or something to get *this* worked up about, I suggest taking a couple of days off the Web.",
">Harmless anecdote… Bullshit anecdote. Tomato Tomato. \n\nBro you’re the one on here reposting horrific death videos for karma.",
"[“You're in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsrE-9CLFg)",
"Looks like I struck a nerve with OP.",
"How so? You're the one who's all riled up.",
"You’re the one digging up memes instead of trying to defend your tasteless use of deaths to whore karma.",
"If it helps, this incident alone caused a paradigm shift in fire safety laws and regulations. People tend not to make an entire building out of what is essentially fire lighters and then allow pyrotechnics inside anymore.",
"Isn't that \"what about\"ism?",
"Whatever you say buddy. Keep whoring that karma.",
"Why so cynical? To me, it seems like I struck a nerve with *you* because of the needless lashing out.",
"Keep projecting, not everyone cares as much as you about fake internet points!",
"Its the sanctimonious bullshit you spouted about trying to teach people lessons on reddit that got me.",
"leaving the stove on in your house isn't smart, but I'm afraid the two situations are hardly comparable. I think you might just like watching/sharing fucked up videos...",
"If people are interested they will click on it. The NSFW/NSFL tag is not blocking the video. Right now you’re just being an asshole and forcing your shit on people. Don’t.",
"Well, if you want to interpret everything pessimistically, then that's your fault and problem, not mine. Whatever I say or do isn't going to change your bias. Bye.",
"Whatever dude. Have fun reposting snuff videos.",
"I feel like those aren't comparable situations with similar risks and mitigations but if it worked I guess it worked.",
"yeah chances are if you have a fire at home, while it certainly could be devastating, The tragedy that unfolded this night had nothing to do with someone forgetting to turn off a stove. From what i recall (I went down the rabbit hole when i first saw this soi didnt rewatch this horrific video again.) there were doors locked from the outside, pyrotechnics that set curtains on fire, and bodies getting wedged/trampled between the doors and narrow hallways leading to the exits. You definitely couldve showed your friend a different video, Sounds to me you just wanted to freak your friend out by showing one of the most horrific videos out there. (ok maybe not, but it still up there)",
"Because it gets people to not be negligent with anything that can cause severe burn wounds or fire.\n\nIn the same vain, the disconcerting amount of drivers I see texting behind the wheel tells me that they have no clue how quickly an accident can happen and how cruel the consequences can be. If it were up to me, I'd require people to watch actual explicit pictures of traumas when getting a driver's license, or at least when they get ticketed. It's literally a death machine. \n\nBack to the fire, I'd rather have my flatmate watch a shocking video instead of him being negligent again and burning the apartment down. The video is definitely not pretty, but having it happen for real is worse.",
"its not your job to educate, PTSD is a serious thing",
"> Sounds to me you just wanted to freak your friend out by showing one of the most horrific videos out there.\n\nA stern no. I'm actually quite surprised at the amount of calumnious accusations. I literally just don't want the kitchen to burn down. And since it wasn't the first time he left the stove on, I was quite irritated, and went for something more memorable than a verbal reminder. Is this sub *that* plagued with trolls who post explicit content for its own sake, maybe?\n\nMy immediate thought when seeing the stove still on was this: “If people saw this Station Night Club Fire video, they wouldn't be so negligent any more.” That's it, that's my only reason for posting this.",
">its not your job to educate, PTSD is a serious thing\n\nBurn wounds are as well.",
"yeah we know. put a nsfl tag on it.",
"I already did, hours ago.",
"They’re just saying it’s not all that relevant of a video for your case. Which is true.",
"I know! Freaking smart to leave as they did. Praise the cameraman",
"Because of this subreddit's fourth rule, I deleted the post.",
"With enough oxygen and ignition, anything is fuel for a fire",
"When would it be relevant? When leaving the stove on all night? When burning the food until the fire alarm activates (which already happened)? When someone burns his or herself? Worse?\n\nPS I already deleted the video because of rule four.",
"If he puts on a sparkler show at home. Otherwise you’re mainly just showing a dire video of the effect of an unwanted fire",
"There's no doubt this video has saved a lot of people. It sticks with you, and you'll be bit more aware of fire exits. I've reported few blocked/locked fire exits in some events, just because overcrowded places remind me of this.",
"It is comparable when it comes to the lives in the apartment. You'll have some 10 seconds to react, and possibly less than a minute to get out. Take one breath in of toxic/hot fumes, and you're dead.",
"\"Fuck fire safety, this is a happy no worry zone.\"",
"I'm not sure about the times you mention, it all depends on materials and the building, etc., but I actually have an official firefighter degree, and the temperature of smoke I experienced in trainings due to a laughable small fire in a container, was enormously surprising and worrying. With full protective gear we had to crouch in a container where they lit a small fire and let the smoke build up a little. They then asked to slowly raise our head and crouch again quickly, because when you feel too hot, you've already got burned. I did as commanded, but my head felt hot sooner than others. Guess what, my scalp was lightly wounded. I cannot overstate how quickly that happened, and I cannot imagine how it must be in a real life situation without protective gear, caught by surprise.\n\nIt seems many people here think I'm exaggerating with this video, but I really am not. Even small fires can have just as horrible consequences; not at the scale of a nightclub, but to individuals.",
"Snuff films depict homicide",
"This is so yesterday. Get a fucking life.",
"Lol I love how you respond with aggression when you can't think of an actual valid response. Let me try!\n\nThis is SO four hours ago. Get a fucking life.",
"Well, I dont try to explain exaggerated sarcasm to butthurt morons on the internet.",
"I mean, you are being disingenuous when calling it a snuff film. When I asked why you care, as you aren't the tag police, you immediately engaged in \"what about\"ism by saying something along the lines of \"B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT OP??\".\n\n\nSo calling it a snuff film is \"exaggerated sarcasm\"? You do know that sarcasm is implied via tone, and this websites comment section is strictly text-based, right? \n\n\nMaybe you should put another Estroven patch on, Auntie, this is why Uncle Mark left you for his secretary.",
"If you ask me people get weird satisfaction from seeing deaths on the internet. If you ask me its exploitation of deaths which is the same as snuff. \n\nSo yes to me it is a snuff film in the context of a self righteous reddit post.",
"You aren't wrong that people do get a sick satisfaction from seeing those videos. Maybe they find it cathartic? It's probably many reasons, each with their own reasoning. \n\n\nYou can have that opinion, but why should your own fragile sense of mortality be cause to redefine a word? \nYou should do some research on projection, because judging by how much of it you have engaged in during our brief stint here, I'm betting that it pales in comparison to your real life.\n\n\nJust because you *think* that's why they watch it, doesn't mean that *is* why they watch it. This is gradeschool stuff my angry friend",
"So you are zeroing in on this snuff thing when really my issue with OP is the narcissistic idea that he is teaching people by posting graphic shit without warning. \n\nIm trying to make a point and Im being purposefully obtuse to get my point across. \n\nThis issue goes deeper than just his asinine idea that he is here to fucking teach people fire safety by showing on screen deaths. These tags are here for a reason. You have no idea why someone may want to filter out nsfl material. And its not your job to make the decision of whether someone should or should not see something. \n\nThe real issue here is OPs general lack of self awareness and their inability to see that no one here asked for a fucking lesson. Let alone be subjected to bullshit justifications for said lessons. \n\nIts just bullshit. Thats what I was upset about. Im calling OP on his bullshit. He is no teacher. He is no fire safety expert. His ideas arent even really relevant to my wanting to scroll /r/videos. So FUCK EM. He’s full of shit. And if you cant understand that, we are at a cross roads I cant help you with.",
"Tldr",
"Of course. Morons demand argument. Cant handle reading a few paragraphs. \n\nTldr: You’re a bucket. Fuck off.",
"Lol good one. It's tldr because I'm not interested in reading you stroking off your own ego. My original point stands, report the post because it isn't your job. Anything further, such as this temper tantrum you have been throwing, is self-serving and ultimately virtue signaling.",
"Times can vary a lot, but it's way too common to have cluttered kitchen, with plastics and paper from takeout etc. around stove and toaster. That can go up really quickly, and there's not a lot of time to panic about it before it's too late.\n\nI don't have firefighters degree, but a lot of fire safety training related to fire safety inspections and fire related work. It's unsettling how hot flames are when they go up big enough. I got a good \"sunburn\" on my face just by being barely close enough to use fire extinguisher on some garbage fire."
] | 79 | videos | [deleted by user] |
https://youtu.be/hcdnFA0t0kk | /r/videos/comments/rp20zb/life_in_japan_in_the_80s/ | [
"Very cool!",
"*city pop intensifies*",
"'80s*\n\n~~19~~'80s",
"TIL the population of Japan has increased a paltry 5.8 million people since the creation of this video.",
"Why did Ron make this? I wasn't planning on watching the whole thing but found it strangely hypnotic",
"Really cool except that whistle sucks. Why is it so pronounced.",
"Kind of hard to date and raise a family when everything is so expensive.",
"Japan is actually not that expensive, compared to most other first world countries of similar lifestyle. Tokyo is incredibly cheap for such a large metropolis/world capital.",
"That's not true. Currently in Korea and Korea is a lot cheaper and yet more modern and cleaner. Have visited Japan numerous times from 2005-2019. To say it's not that expensive is being disingenuous, especially compared to most European countries/cities.\n\nJapan is just the expensive.",
"I live in Japan. I've never lived in Korea so I don't know how to compare the two (nor was my intention). I have, however, lived in Europe in various countries (am European myself) and work with people living in the US where the topic of housing and standard of living comes up pretty frequently. I used to live in the Netherlands and Ireland, and Japan is **much** cheaper than either of those. It's also very very much cheaper than most north European countries, the UK, etc. \n\nFor the quality of life you get in Japan, and the size of a metropolis like Tokyo, it's **really** not that expensive. You see a lot of articles online about Japanese cities like Osaka or Tokyo being \"expensive\" but a lot of metrics of comparison (stuff like rent or food) are tailored to a western standard. For example there's sites like [Numbeo](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) which might look at stuff like \"cost of renting a **room** in the city center\" which make no sense for Tokyo (there's no \"city center\" and most people don't rent a \"room\") and that kind of metric will skew the results. And **still** if you compare those results to big expensive cities in the US (like San Fran or New York) Tokyo is still much cheaper. \n\nAnd this isn't even considering the rest of the country, which is dirt cheap to live in compared to Tokyo."
] | 10 | videos | Life In Japan In The 80's |
https://twitter.com/reyemmailliw/status/1475163500943130625?s=21 | /r/videos/comments/rp21vk/can_someone_tell_me_where_this_is_from/ | [
"Looks like Steve Urkel on steroids",
"That's Shannon Sharpe on Undisputed with him and Skip Bayless. \n\nThat sounds like gibberish lol but it's true.",
"Oh my god thank you"
] | 3 | videos | Can someone tell me where this is from? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxGZhPG8mCo | /r/videos/comments/rp2y4i/bunny_burrito_demonstration/ | [
"The off screen handwave at :45 is the best part. How to tell your staff to shut up demonstration.",
"And this is what Larry David looks like as a Bun aficionado :)",
"This is the content I pay my internet provider for",
"Now all I need is a bunny!"
] | 4 | videos | Bunny Burrito Demonstration |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hcqoo7DIEo | /r/videos/comments/rp33am/the_dutch_golden_age_masters_might_have_used/ | [
"David Hockney did a program on this and recreated painting a scene using the same technique, it also explained neatly why paintings were often around a certain size apparently",
"\"Actual technology?\" A paintbrush is technology.",
"lmao",
"Much better than non-actual technology like products.",
"This appears to be a translation error. In a lot of languages such as Dutch, French, Spanish and German, the cognate of \"actual\" means \"current\" or \"modern\". English is the odd one out here.",
"Pinhole projectors are about as rudimentary a technology as you can get, so it's pretty probable they were being used by historical artists -- likely well before Vermeer's time, too."
] | 6 | videos | The Dutch golden age masters might have used actual technology when creating their lifelike paintings |
https://youtu.be/eQXHdItgb7I | /r/videos/comments/rp350o/the_best_scene_in_cinema_history/ | [
"Oh God its to early for this shit.",
"We got a winner! *I said,* weeeeee got a **WINNER! WE GOT A WINNER!**",
"It's the fucking day after Christmas you sick bastard",
"I always thought that Sarah’s story was the saddest. I’m some sense the other characters “brought it on themselves,” but Sarah was just a confused old lady who wanted a little attention/recognition ☹️",
"Looks like Fauci",
"Exactly, it’s over. Gotta finish 2021 with a bang and on theme. This is just warm ups.",
"”I know its pretty big but I didn't take it out for air.” *OP probably*",
"damn, I really forgot about that scene in \"Requiem for a Dream\"\nf*cking drugs maaan...",
"stupid people give drugs a bad wrap.",
"You can say fuck.\n\nAlso cunt piss twat shit."
] | 10 | videos | The best scene in cinema history |
https://youtu.be/Ay7gKzawdKM | /r/videos/comments/rp389b/the_dirtiest_saxophone_solo/ | [
"Tenacious D for the win!!!!",
"They played very good but have they taken a bath lately?",
"What I love most about this is Kyle dancing.",
"Probably not since the start of the gig.",
"And the recorder solo 👌🏻",
"After Daft Punk someone had to take up the reigns",
"In the sheet music it says \"Santa Claus begins dancing\"",
"Sax-a-boom....",
"[\"mUsIc HaS tO HaVe MeAnInG!!\"](https://imgur.com/t/spongebob/iETpBH2)",
"LØL",
"The transcription is nonsense. It doesn't go up two octaves.",
"I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. I fucking *love* it!",
"Skål"
] | 13 | videos | The Dirtiest Saxophone Solo |
https://youtu.be/31bI4HJihRk | /r/videos/comments/rp3a4j/10_deadly_animals_you_should_never_touch/ | [
"I like how the thumbnail shows it on a left hand then shows a mutilated right hand",
"yay another click bait list video!!!",
"That’s because it’s clickbait trash",
"Do not touch this Salamander as you will not live to survive! as a hand reaches into the cage to put on down..."
] | 4 | videos | 10 Deadly Animals You Should Never Touch! |
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5LliaB2h11Q&feature=share | /r/videos/comments/rp3qg4/karl_pilkington_doesnt_like_rickys_cat/ | [
"Depends, how old was the cat during this? Cats can live into their 20s.",
"It died like last year or the year before",
"Wish they made some new content",
"Ricky Gervais show hands down one of the funniest things on the internet. Try and the find the old XFM Monkey News, or better yet the Bonus Hour. There was also a radio Manchester episode or something, it’s incredible.",
"The greatest radio show, comedy genius.",
"My understanding is that the 3 don't get along the best anymore.",
"That's sad",
"> the 3 don't get along the best anymore\n\nThat's what you get when you insult a man's pussy.",
"Is there are story there?",
"I'm not sure of it, but I was under the impression that Karl was starting to feel a bit put out. He originally only came on the radio show to fill time, but it became a recurring bit. Then it was animated, which helped lead to An idiot Abroad. I think during the radio show he was okay with it because Ricky was there, but during AIA he was on his own or with Warick Davis.",
"OOOOOH CHIMPANZEE THAT, HE'S ONLY GONE AND WRITTEN IT DOWN THE FUCKIN CUUUU....",
"\"You're an idiot. Play a record.\"",
"*FUCKING BOLLOCKS!*",
"Fair enough, they weren't exactly. kind to him on that show",
"I remember this show. It was a guilty pleasure of mine. I didn't really get into it at first. But the more I watched, the more I appreciated it. I could listen to Steven, Ricky, and Karl talk for hours about anything. I swear they could make even the most mundane conversations seem hilarious. 😊",
"They don't like his cat.",
"This show has brought me so much joy and laughter throughout the years",
"The radio shows and podcasts were great, this godawful cartoon actively detracted from the quality of them.",
"Idiot abroad is still amongst my top 10 fav shows all time. Wish it came back. Was very funny"
] | 19 | videos | Karl Pilkington doesn't like Ricky's cat |
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"Sounds like shit",
"With how they have those spinning... any one of those bells comes loose and detaches it's killing multiple people.",
"They should replace it with air horns.",
"Vuvuzelas",
"I thought those were reserved for funerals?"
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