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https://youtu.be/QVC6IbVRD6c	/r/videos/comments/rkmhoz/zero_tolerance/	[ "That sucked, I regret watching this.", "I'm happy you did. We wouldve never met if you hadn't. Why dont we talk anymore? You changed.", "You really need to work on your shtick.", "You really replied twice AND watched my video 😉" ]	4	videos	Zero Tolerance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw	/r/videos/comments/rko0p7/the_northman_official_trailer/	[ "Cool now I know the whole plot", "Exactly, I turned it off the second it showed him as an adult because it was revealing a lot but it still looks amazing. Robert Eggers is amazing director.", "I seriously stopped watching trailers 10 years ago. Now I just read the first couple of lines of reviews to get an idea about the film. Even reviews reveal too much about the plot.", "Very paint by numbers to capitalize on current popular trends.", "Looks pretty dope.", "The spear catch / throw is so hilariously ridiculous. There's no recoil or anything", "Ooooh Bjork as a crazy witch? (0:52) Love it.", "Isn't this pretty much the whole plot of The Last Kingdom?", "Nowadays I just skip around the trailer to see a few images so I can tell what kind of movie it is without spoiling everything. It makes watching the movies far more enjoyable.", "The Green Knight meets Techno Viking", "What? No. In The Last Kingdom, his name Utred. In Northman his name is Oohtred.", "I don't know, kinda looked a lot like the whole plot of the original Conan with Arnold Schwarzenegger", "It's Eggers and inclues Defoe so I'm watching.", "Great cast and looks like a very solid viking film. Trailer showed a bit much but otherwise i’m in.", "Excellent trailer no doubt. But the beginning part looks like that safety ad about helmets.", "It's also pretty obvious that the mom was the real mastermind, right?", "Wish they made a movie about Harald Hardråde, his life is amazing.", "why the fuck is this not in 4k", "im guessing thats the scene after he makes a pact with the dark gods/sexy priestess lady for some Valhalla juice.", "No, this is the first story to be about revenge and/or saving family members through strength of arms. =p", "They're making a TV show, but it's Netflix and the creator of Vikings so it's gonna be dogshit.", "Robert Eggers doesn't make anything paint by the numbers, and I doubt he's starting now", "Right lol, The Last Kingdom itself was standing on the shoulders of giants. But still, it's a bit on the nose isn't it?", "[ Jump to 00:52 @ THE NORTHMAN - Official Trailer - In Theaters April 22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h0m52s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Focus Features, Video Length: [02:44])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h0m47s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "yep", "How great was the Far From Home trailer for spoiling nothing and that everything in it, you'll see in the first 30 min of the movie, leaving the rest completely unknown. \nEdit: not sure why the downvotes, do people disagree? I'm getting asked about spoilers for this movie as if I have a crystal ball 🙄", "That looks badass. I'm in.", "Right? For me it’s:\n\nSpace? Explosions? Decent quality and relevant actors? I’m in!", "Good point. I was mostly talking about the vibe and visuals. ALso I don't think this is going to have some sort of redeemed arc. That redemption arc could be like first half hour of the movie too. Or it could entirely predictable boring story arc but the story telling and visuals would be awesome.", "I've gone into a few movies not even knowing the genre. It's a pretty rewarding experience.", "Did...did that Valkyrie had braces?", "I gotta say they seem to actually have somewhat accurate costuming so props for that.", "Saw the trailer for Ambulance before Spider-man the other night, and I swear it was the Spark Notes for the movie: nothing was left to the imagination.", "So it’s The Last Kingdom but a movie?", "Swords? You had me at Swords. I watch anything with swords", "So viking Lion King then? Okay.", "I thought Norsemen was getting a high budget feature length film. Not gonna lie kinda gutted.\n\n\\](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen\\_(TV\\_series)", "> Yeah. Take a look at Hard Rock Cafe. Got tweaked by Planet Hollywood. Coke got tweaked by Pepsi. Transformers got tweaked by GoBots. Our job is to step aside and let the consumer decide.", "This is so common. TV Tropes calls it Following The Leader and you end up with this happening even with lesser known stuff like Colony/Captive State", "Vikings is a good show.", "I'm just glad I didn't hear the name \"Ragnar\" in this one. That was refreshing on its own.", "I mean it looks gorgeous, as expected. But I'm hoping/trusting that this has some misdirects, omits information, or the plot is predictable but there's something else going on that makes it interesting, because otherwise this trailer just gave away the whole thing lmao", "His name... is OSBERT!", "No, when he became a slave, I didn’t see them actually rowing the boat in the trailer so the plot must be different.", "Isn’t the last kingdom getting a movie to finish the story?", "Sold!", "Netflix huh. Taking bets on all the Viking clans being multicultural to reach a wider audience", "Sooo Assassin's Creed Valhalla??", "So is this Eric Northman's origin story? Would be a killer twist at the end!", "Teeth carvings were a trend in that time.", "They coul've changed things a bit and this would be a pretty good CONAN movie.", "i am Uhtred son of Uhtred.... wait", "The neo Nazis are gonna go nuts for this one", "Damn ye! Let Neptune strike ye dead Bubblygrumpy! HAAARK! Hark Triton, hark! Bellow, bid our father the Sea King rise from the depths full foul in his fury! Black waves teeming with salt foam to smother this young mouth with pungent slime, to choke ye, engorging your organs til’ ye turn blue and bloated with bilge and brine and can scream no more -- only when he, crowned in cockle shells with slitherin’ tentacle tail and steaming beard take up his fell be-finned arm, his coral-tine trident screeches banshee-like in the tempest and plunges right through yer gullet, bursting ye -- a bulging bladder no more, but a blasted bloody film now and nothing for the harpies and the souls of dead sailors to peck and claw and feed upon only to be lapped up and swallowed by the infinite waters of the Dread Emperor himself -- forgotten to any man, to any time, forgotten to any god or devil, forgotten even to the sea, for any stuff for part of Bubblygrumpy, even any scantling of your soul is Bubblygrumpy no more, but is now itself the sea!", "I went into Snowpiercer like that. That was fun. Wish I could do it more often.", "Ragnar will be Uhtreds brother. just wait", "It's basically the first half of Conan.", "All of you saying you already know the whole movie from the trailer clearly aren't familiar with the Writer/Director.", "a lot of Conan the Barbarian going on.", "Oh fuck off I'm so sick of this comment. Go on then enlighten me, what's the whole plot and omit no detail.", "It's Hamlet dude, calm down", "Dude same. Not enough shows with good sword fights. Nothing beats the Spaniard and the man in black from The Princess Bride.", "So? I'd wager most people don't know most of them.", "I'm so tired of this overproduced crap. I don't even know if I watching a trailer for a game or a movie.", "wheres the diversity? too many white people where are the poc or the lgbt people? /s \n\nlooks good not watching any more trailers saw too much in this one already.", "Robert Eggers and Willem Dafoe is new favorite Director/Actor combo these days. Goddamn, i'm pumped.", "maybe I can help. Last night I just saw the 2016 movie Christine and it was excellent. Also, the 2014 movie Faults, 2015's Green Room, 2017's Good Time, 2016's Swiss Army Man, and 2018's Mandy, all movies I saw without any info at all that were very good.", "For awhile I had overlapping watches of Vikings, the last kingdom, and Norsemen!\n\nI lol’d when I realized that Vikings and Last Kingdom had overlapping characters but then remembered history is same universe", "Alright, have it your way. I like your cookin’.", "I've found his movies a bit too slow for me so I'm hoping the trailer accurately depicts the feel and action of this one.", "I'll take two two tickets right now, thanks.", "Northman, Eric Northman", "Hamlet.", "But you didn't watch The Last Duel :(", "So basically, Conan the barbarian?", "Don't know most of what, Hamlet? There have been dozens of film adaptations and it remains one of Shakespeare's most popular plays.", "This pleases the techno Viking", "You had me at Bjork & Willem Dafoe.", "Nice reference", "All the action kinda looked hilariously ridiculous. Him jumping/gliding down from the wall while swinging his weapon. Him knocking a man off a horse riding towards him.", "This film is gonna push 3 hours for sure", "I will stream it", "I love Eggers first two films. But from the trailer it looks like he is going the Christopher Nolan route of leveraging his reputation as an art house auteur to start making typical Hollywood blockbusters. Lots of CGI and action. We will see though.", "I'm thinking the Vikings genre is just about played out; between 'Vikings' and 'The Last Kingdom', not sure how much is left to tell...", "Is Nicole Kidman in serious debt? She's in everything these days. And frankly, I'm not a fan.", "Then how do you know trailers are as they were 10 years ago?\n\nYou get your confirmation every now and then, but I find the majority of trailers do not spoil the movies. In fact, they do what they are ment to and give me shit to get hyped about and to research.", "The pacing of his movies is one of the main reasons I find them so compelling.", "Yes-Bjork is the Icelandic Yoko, so not too much of an acting stretch in this role.", "Just gotta say it, goes for everyone responding in this same way. If you're going into this movie thinking it's about how many explosions and witty 1-liners you can count throughout and in turn are shown in the trailer you clearly haven't watched his previous two films. It's likely going to be a very slow and deliberate film. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that there are no additional action sequences in the film. \n\nRobert Eggers is not a \"Marvel\" film-maker. The content of the film is likely going to be found in the way its made, not what it's made of.", "I mean I have seen people grab arrows I would imagine a large spear to be possible.", "I came here to say this, looks like you beat me to it!", "Stopped watching them after Mr. Deeds came out. Literally every funny scene is shown in the trailer. It was not worth my 1.5 hrs to rewatch the only funny scenes I coulda watched in 3 minutes.", "Gojo stock going up!!", "Ugh . Nah\n\nHis movies are certainly a slow burn like others have said. Barely a pay off . Just kind of ends . His movies are just ok. I know people in this sub get very offended when people don't love what some on reddit love . This movie looks ok .", "Fighter of the Southman?", "This is a common thing that is said in every movie trailer thread, pretty much ever.\n\nMovie nobody has seen? \"I JUST SAW THE WHOLE MOVIE!\" It's trendy to do this on reddit -- even though it is rarely true.", "So is it actually \"Northman\" or is it \"Norseman\" but the person saying it has a speech impediment?", "Damn just that first minute was so full of exposition. I feel like I don't even need to see the movie. I know the whole plot already.", "everyone in the western world has seen lion king", "That wooden stick came out of nowhere.", "it's yah ghad dhaam fhaaaarts", "As someone who has finished both Vikings and The Last Kingdom during covid... let's go!!!\n\nHoping this period continues to become a solid meta. I really enjoy that it doesn't need to rely on fantasy elements compared to most done in this setting.", "And they say anime can't be adapted to live action. \n\nVinland Saga looking solid!", "The Witch was pretty slow, but I think the payoff was worth it. I haven't seen The Lighthouse yet.", "[For reference.](https://youtu.be/0m-c4GixUpg)", "points intensely", "Take that back.\n\nBjork's eccentricities enhance her charm. And she was part of the Sugarcubes.\n\nYoko was just a lame hanger on.", "Different strokes for different folks. I personally don't mind a slow burn when it hits a great climax. But for me for whatever reasons I didn't think the end was worth the wait for both the Witch and the Lighthouse.", "Would be cool if this tied in with the VVitch. \n\nRECU: Robert Eggers Cinematic Universe.", "Makes me a little nervous that action/drama might be a challenge for Eggers. But a man can hope.", "It's common reading in high school or college, and even if they haven't, there's a million popular adaptations like The Lion King", "Honestly, I hope so. He does slow burn so well.", "I mean you haven’t seen the movie, but from the context of the trailer it looks like he makes a deal with a witch for powers", "how did you feel after seeing Mandy?\n\nI knew what I was getting into but was still flabbergasted.", "If this movie ends with Skarsgard getting bitten by a Vampire I'm going to lose my shit.\n\n[Ending leaked ](https://youtu.be/3_WgjCNvKEs)", "AC: Valhalla: The Movie?", "It's definitely weirder, and it's fun to see Dafoe go crazy with a stereotypical sailor accent", "Willem Dafoe has been killing it recently", "Did they forget to edit out her braces at (2:08) or what are those stripes on her teeth?", "You know, im starting to think the Trublood theory is true the more I think about it. They are only attacking at night at some point in the movie so they say, so maybe he really does turn Vampire and would explain all the hokey physics? Granted those scenes are in the day so..... fingers crossed? \n \n-Edit- And the scene where he is sick on the boat... ok now im going to be disappointed if this isnt Erik Northmans origin story.", "I'm still amazed he did that entire fucking speech, emoting like mad, and never blinked once. \n\nGo back. \n\nWatch his eyes.\n\nAnd go back.", "fuck yoko man dont compare her with bjork", "Looks fail already. Downvote me to oblivion!!!", "Eggers may have had no control of what went in the trailer so it's possible this trailer pretty much told the whole story. When one of the characters died in the trailer, I just shut it off. Would have preferred not knowing that person died.", "I haven't said this in the last decade - but this trailer looks amazing, and it didn't give away the entire story.", "I'm sure it's possible to catch, but to do so without the slighted movement to decelerate the spear would imply strength of godlike proportions", "One real life viking jarl is being played by a black woman. The name of the real life jarl is Haakon and the name of the character the woman plays is... Haakon... They didn't change the name. It's one of the traditional male royal names in Norway and they see no problem with a black woman in the show having it. It's completely ridiculous.", "I mean, he repeats those 3 lines, with the middle one \"I will save you, mother\". He will go on a vengeance quest for his father, try to save his mother, and then face his uncle who will reveal he's been an instrument in his mother's plot.", "Most trailers don't spoil all that much. This is just a popular fiction that gets passed around as fact in basically every thread for a movie trailer.", "There some good books in The Norseman Saga (Thorgrim NightWolf) books.\n\nI guess it has all the tropes that are present in Vikings and Last Kingdom, tho.", "Lol jfc. Not susprised", "I’ll just leave this here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zdfg", "The mother had clearly had plastic surgery too so maybe it's just that kind of universe.", "Same thought but with the crazy witch and valkyrie scenes I'm guessing there's some supernatural shit going down maybe.", "Any trailer posted on reddit: \n\n>Wow we know the whole plot now, I hate that movies have started doing this!!!!!", "They really don't, and this is nonsense that continues to get passed around.\n\nLike, sure, the trailer for Tucker and Dave Versus Evil spoils basically the whole film. But that is the only one I can think of that really actually spoils anything substantial.\n\nOf course, it doesn't help that it feels like people consider just about any kind of plot revelation to be a spoiler.", "Yeah it's pretty obvious Fjolnir is a 3,000-year-old vampire. I guess they had to recast him but wutev.", "It’s an action movie. Who cares.", "Yeah that’s a horrible comparison… Bjork actually makes incredible art and has an amazing voice, perhaps an acquired taste at times, but actually a skilled and creatively used one.", "They'll just take the life story of one of the most adventerous warriors in history and give him biker clothing and some generic viking plot. The two main characters are Leif Eriksson and Harald Hardrada, the show is called Valhalla, yet at most Harald is semi-pagan and they're both catholic.", "[ Jump to 02:08 @ THE NORTHMAN - Official Trailer - In Theaters April 22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m8s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Focus Features, Video Length: [02:44])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m3s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "And I love Conan", "So are you saying that this trailer is or isn't spoiling everything? \n\nIf you are saying it is, how did you know that about Far From Home and Endgame without having seen those films? Or are you making an assessment on the trailers after you saw them?", "Woah man, don't spoil Hamlet. I haven't had time to read/watch/listen to it or it's 10,000 adaptations.", "Willem Dafoe plays creepy like nobody else, holy shit.", "Norsemen, if Mike Tyson created it.", "How do they manage to get the clothing and armor somewhat accurate in some scenes, but then back to tropes in others?\n\nYou see a few people in colorful clothes, but then in others a bunch of people in drab earthtones. \n\nYou see actual armor and helmets in some scenes, then people fighting shirtless in others.", "Yeah, I have a friend who swears by it. I just haven't gotten to it yet -- but I will.", "They went for authenticity.", "The original Matrix release was like that. The lead up trailers were little more than “What is the Matrix?” teasers, and it just made the movie more enjoyable.", "Well this looks pretty forgettable… like Conan if you desaturated the whole film and took away all the charm", "This just reminded me of the Lion King...odd.", "That was my guess. Mom and uncle lined this power-grab up while the king was away (apparently for a long time), which explains why a young boy could escape the assassins in the forrest.\n\nNicole Kidman just has her \"plotting woman\" vibe going strong in the previews.\n\nBut...doesn't matter. This looks like a straight-forward action/revenge flick and its less about the story and more about the execution (or should that be executions?).\n\nAre the fights fun? Really all that matters for me in this kind of movie.", "Its a basic revenge ploy that's been done to death numerous times", "Doesn't really seem like a good idea they had here.\n\nhttps://www.zmescience.com/science/anthropology/vikings-teeth-culture-10122014/", "IMO: \n\n\nVisually it looks amazing.\n\nIn terms of story, remains to be seen.\n\nIn terms of casting; Some good, some bad.", "He should have gotten so many awards for The Lighthouse. It blows my mind how rigged those events are.", "It's Hamlet, but ... a Viking movie.", "GODS, I am old...", "So this is Vinland Saga the Live Action adaptation? Cool.", "You have to admit, she was born to play this role. Might as well title this movie “REALLY Fucking White People”.", "They misspelled Eric Northman from Trueblood", "It’s an action movie. Who cares.", "Hamlet*", "~~Six~~ four seasons and a movie", "Well, it is a fiction* series, so ... there isn't much of a need to adhere to authenticity.", ">The Green Knight\n\nlol what? no Green Knight vibes in this at all\n\nthat movie didnt even have a single fight", "Swiss Army Man is one of the best movie's I think I've ever seen. Was so much more amazing knowing nothing about it when I started watching.", "The Lion King", "Conan the Barbarian but with Vikings? Cool, I'm in.", "Actually, it's the Lion King.", "That was my thought as well, especially the spear catch/toss. That's like straight out of the game.", "makes sure everyone is menacingly hydrated", "ngl i'm more excited about the fact that they probably got Einar Selvik to do music for this than I am for the movie itself", "Amleth\\", "Yeeees", "He kept it frosty.", "I think that's the point. It looks as though his determination to avenge his father and save his mother has made him into a complete beast of a man", "That's the film festival experience. Nothing beats that", "TIL that was a thing, also ouch.", "Just read the books, they're great.", "looks like kino is back on the menu boys", "You poor soul", "So it wants us to root for tyrants and be sad when the tyrant king dies?", "Nah, it's [Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country](https://youtu.be/Rs7InkOfoXY?t=7)", "[visible discomfort]", "Fun fact: Her scenes were never written.\n\nThey just showed up at her house and filmed her normal daily activities.", "Talking about after seeing the film, that moment when you notice you've seen everything in thr trailer and the movie has only just started.", "Looks awesome! Makes me want Eggars to do an adaptation of \"Half a king\".", "damn this is gonna be legit", "I laughed pretty loud after seeing that.", "Looks good!", "I’ve stopped watching trailers, did it have a release date??\n\nUpvoted and excited from the first 2 seconds I caught on YouTube", "How can you know that you have \"seen everything in the trailer\" for a film that has \"only just started\"?\n\nI will ask again: are you saying that the trailer for The Northman* spoils too much, or not?", "Lol this is not Hamlet.\n\nNot every \"King dies, son wants revenge\" story is Hamlet. At most it shares a very basic initial premise.", "I'm not one to really get hyped over a trailer, and honestly most of the time i never watch them, but holy shit that was phenomenal. I've never heard of this movie before (is it from a book, a previous movie, or an original film?) but this looks really, really interesting.", "Absolutely. It's about the journey, not the destination.", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hr%C3%B3lfs_saga_kraka", "Eric Northman", "It's not Hamlet. Y'all clearly don't understand Hamlet.\n\nNot every \"king dies, son wants revenge\" story is Hamlet.\n\nY'all need to stop saying Hamlet. I need to stop saying Hamlet.", "I really hate the mini hype scenes they show before the trailer to introduce the trailer.", "Nah this seems pretty simple. There might be some twist at the end, some dream sequences, the mom was in on it, or whatever. But we've got the overall gist.", "The books are good fun!", "Conan the Viking", "Even if I know the major plot points I still enjoy the shit out of movies. So many stories are rehashed iterations of things people have been telling since we sat around campfires and cooked skewered rats, like you can enjoy it still. I can respect and acknowledge the side that sometimes it feels like movie trailers are giving away too much, but this seems to be more of a frustration that \"they're making trailers for stupid people and I'm not stupid, I'm better than THOSE people\". Life's short, I cant be mad about this kinda shit. Just sit back and enjoyyyyyy", "I'm not convinced he blinked throughout the whole film.", "Mufasaaaaaa\n\n-shivers-", "[have worse](https://i.imgur.com/U2B7CmX.jpeg)", "Techno Viking Begins", "You post that like it proves your point lol\n\nThat ain't Hamlet.", "So it doesn't include the \"Tonight Show\" debacle?", "sookeh", "Could be a dream sequence or mushroom trip.", "Pretty sure it's Hamlet tho", "If the movie really hangs on that twist it was gonna be trash anyway.", "Wait, all plots are based on Hamlet?", "Yeah, the trailer for The Green Knight was a huge misdirect.", "That was entirely the vibe I was getting", "No.\n\nIf anything, it's Much Ado About Nothing.", "Jay the destroyer. Jay the reviled. Do not speak his name in these lands.\n\nBadass garage though just sayin.", "I may not have seen the whole movie but it is right now just fucking Hamlet. I love Hamlet though so no complaints here", "You legit had me in the first half", "More around 2.5 but yes. Not 90 minutes like his others", "Between the cinematography, the music, and the \"echo\" to the sound, I was waiting for \"A24\" to appear at some point in the credits.", "excited seagull noises", "Fuck yeah Eric Northman", "Eric Northman playing THE NORTHMAN.", "It sucks the camera loses focus halfway through that scene though", "For some reason knowing 5 minutes of a movie ruins the 2 hours of plot. I don't why, it's dumb, but that's how a lot of \"cinephiles\" are.", "This looks like it might have a similar problem Vikings did, where they fuck around in a place between reality and fantasy, and never quite go all in on either. \n\nAll the weird shit will be dreams or drug-fueled hallucinations, but they add them to the trailer without that context to attract fantasy nerds, without actually giving them payoff in the movie.\n\nThat's my assumption, at least.\n\nI just wish someone would make something this gritty and well produced, hint at magic via dreams and such, and halfway through go \"actually, here's an actual fucking Valkyrie army, enjoy watching them fight evil Odin\".", "This looks hype", "It's deeply depraved, but very well done. I really liked it but wouldn't recommend it to people in shaky psycho-emotional conditions. It sat pretty awkwardly with me for quite some time.", "Almost like it’s a movie!", "Imagine seeing Death of a Salesman but your already know that a Salesman dies. Completely ruined", "Me too. That would be fantastic", "are you seriously trying to defend this lol", "Dark period piece, movie starts out w father figure king and a young man. There is a beheading, the rest of the movie is a quest to return to the person involved in beheading.", "Well I guess this movie is bad and no one should see it then. Thanks!", "Now, how does this tie in with Tarzan?", "I really thought you were joking, but it's actually true smh", "Really fantastic movie. I'm glad it wasn't diluted with senseless action scenes. Really cool take on the source material though. Loved it.", "Edgy", "It's accurate. Those things only weighed 2 grams. /s", "It is based on the legend that inspired Hamlet.", "God damn, that show is so funny.", "Have you seen his other movie the Witch? If you watch that I think you will be more optimistic for this movie if that's the case!", "He came from the North to do battle with the amazing RANDO!", "That's like saying any remake of The Hidden Fortress must be a Star Wars movie.", "Defoe? I'm all in!", "The Lighthouse is amazing. You should definitely seek it out", "Live-action Vinland Saga looks dope", "They also speak English in it. Are you going to bitch and moan about how that isn't authentic?", "I’m guessing his from the north?", "We have to assume these film companies have done their research and concluded that ruining the plot of the movie has no impact on sales? I will still watch the movie as I love a good ripping yarn, but I would have watched it without them giving away half the story.\n\nIt's frustrating that their disregard for the quality of our experience is so unimportant to the trailer makers.\n\nI'm looking at you Netflix.", "This looks cool but it's one of the most spoiler dense trailers I've seen.", "Vampire magic baby", "Yep, it is called the [Hero's Journey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey), not the Hero's Destination. Basically the plot for everything ever.", ">> created by Jeb Stuart\n\nWho knew the confederate cavalry general from the civil war is now producing netflix series", "Sure, but if you want to exclaim that it \"isn't Hamlet\" and that people saying it is \"don't understand Hamlet\", it is worth pointing out that it is based on the story that inspired Hamlet. That way, it can be understood why people are confusing it with Hamlet.", "That's not what I'm referring to at all, though.", "Are you implying that Alexander Skarsgard doesn't have godlike strength?!", "AHHH^(aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah)", "What's with the trend of having a 5-second trailer to the official trailer in the same Youtube clip?", "Seems there was an abscess in the jaw, which prompted a bridging of the teeth. But the abscess worsened and decayed the bone beyond the root. Absolutely wild.", "Is this a spoiler?", "It's not Hamlet. Hamlet was based on this story and shares little more than the initial premise.", "Wow! I cannot wait for this!", "Yer fond of me lobster aint' ye?", "The point of my comment wasn't to explain why people are confusing it for Hamlet. The point of my comment was the explain that it isn't Hamlet.", ">Valhalla juice\n\nSurprised there isn't a juicy IPA called this already.", "I binged that show and couldn't stop talking in the same accent and inflections, I loved it", "Serious question, does anybody know why the stupid little pre-trailer trailer started? Like...it's a trailer. Just show it.", "Seriously unless it’s a murder mystery I could give AF if I know the plot. If it ruins your enjoyment of the movie that much you should know by how to just avoid all trailers", "Ok, it's [Amleth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth).", "That movie was a fucking trip and a half. Thoroughly enjoyed it, my Mrs hated it though haha", "And there’s so many of them!", "As someone who still needs to knockout green knight on his watchlist I’ve been hoping for a lot of medieval fight scenes haha.", "Kinda sounds like his name is chanted there at the very end.", "Robert Eggers sticks pretty closely to the tropes of the period he's adapting. The VVitch was an accurate depiction of witchcraft folklore of early colonial America. The Lighthouse was an accurate depiction of contemporary nautical superstitions.\n\nThis is going to be Hamlet with the trappings of the sagas of the Icelanders. Eggers will faithfully adapt those tropes. While these tropes might be unfamiliar to the general audience, they will be recognizable to people who have any experience with that kind of literature.", "It may almost offset Nicole Kidman being in the movie at all,", "Or Egil Skallagrimsson.", "They mispronouncing the Nordic names triggers me deeply. Fuck off Hollywood. Get Nordic actors if you can't teach your dolls to puppet.", "I thought the same thing!", "It's an interesting watch. Damn good movie but odd style. I strongly preferred the Witch.", "No thanks.", "And the point of my comment wasn't to argue with your comment, it was to explain why people might be confusing it for Hamlet.", "Ugghhhhhhhh", "It looks like ass to me as soon as nicole Kidman was mentioned .", "AHHH!!!\n\nHot potato, off his drawers, pluck to make amends!\n\nOw!", "I’ll allow it on the grounds that it looks cool", "They must only be familiar with the 'censored' American version. I love Vikings, but I cannot watch their 'less gore-no nudity' version.", "Ragnar, the \"Mike\" of vikings.", "The mustache does all the heavy lifting.", "Here I was expecting Mike Tyson as a viking", ">straight-forward action/revenge flick\n\nIt's Robert Eggers. It'll be anything but a straight-forward action flick with fun fight scenes.", "I think the teeth that are punctured were corpse teeth put in to replace missing ones, so they would've already been dead when they were drilled through.\n\nI could be thinking of another case of ancient dental work, though.", "As Herself", "I don't think anyone was saying that but ok", "Holy shit!", "You usually have to wait five seconds before you can skip an ad so they started making these five second trailers before the trailer so you'd see it all before you skipped.", "What is the point of the first 4 seconds telling me to watch the trailer, when I'm already watching the fucking trailer", "Why do they have to give the entire plot in trailers", "I agree, it makes him look absolutely badass. Reminds me of [this scene](https://giphy.com/gifs/amc-tv-amc-gangs-of-london-amcplus-69GBd2uAAsQZwquYj6) in Gangs of London. Would be absolutely terrifying to see in real life.", "It’s a joke lol, from the show True Blood", "I hope Eggers is going to pull a Scorsese/DeNiro with Defoe. The Lighthouse was amazing.", "Gary Busey's entire life is also a Bowfinger situation.", "My favorite part of this trailer is at the beginning when it says \"watch the trailer now\"", "🎼“Ooooh there once was a hero named Ragnar the Red…” 🎼", "All I heard was 'Ooooh-Aaaah' from the chant", "There is still the [Vinland Saga](https://www.amazon.com/Somewhere-not-here/dp/B07TVV16BV) to tell. \nHere's the [manga](https://ww1.readvinlandsaga.com/chapter/vinland-saga-chapter-1/), I would highly recommend either/or but I would warn that if you're going to get into the anime it's not technically a battle manga, it just presents itself like that for a bit. Season 1 is basically just an introduction and Season 2 is the real beginning.", "FUUUUUUUCK YAAAAAAAAAASSSSSS!!", "Origin story for Skarsgard turning into Randall Flagg in the Stand.", "Hollywood's Northman stars in the Northman.", "So.. Conan goes to Sweden? THis looks terrible.", "That's one of the best trailers I've seen in a long, long time.", "It was an absolute snooze fest \nWanted to leave the theater tbh \n\nLast Duel was better", "giddy. That aesthetic and sound is exactly what I love, a kind of retro-comedy-horror with just enough seriousness to make it have stakes.", ">I haven't seen The Lighthouse yet.\n\nBest Dark Comedy of 2019 hands down.", "I loved the very end of that one. If this one had something to the same effect, but it comes earlier, I'm all in.", "Meh. I'll rent it when it's rentable.", "I didn't realize Bubblygrump was the username and just figured it was part of Defoe's rant", "I'll happily be wrong if it ends up being quite a bit more. I loved The VVitch.", "laughs in Soylent Green's trailer", "The woods witch stuff also gives off the vibe that he gets granted some type of power. Could be wrong but there were some crazy feats of strength in this trailer.", "Actually - Conan, the barbarian revengening, with vengeance.", "Anya Taylor-Joy. I'm in.", "Actually its Conan the barbarian.", "I was sold halfway through this trailer. I wish they would end it there and not give away a lot the plot development", "GG 2022", "Mom has a right to be pissed. She's 4 years older than her \"son\".", "I love how it kinda looks like it's made in the 80s.", "How would i know about a movie that hasn't come out? Im not sure why you keep asking a rhetorical question. I'd likely assume it does since most new properties rely heavily on showing off the best of the film to attract an audience but I can't say for sure. I only said I appreciated NWH for NOT spoiling to much which I DID confirm.", "Reminds me a bit of Vinland Saga, mostly because it's also just vikings.", "New Vikings season looks kinda dope", "The lighthouse is on a different level. A god damned masterpiece.", "What's the viking version of steampunk?", "Conquer!", "Ragnar means war iirc, so maybe it's a war chant?", "And friendship for everyone.", "Its Conan.", "Tromeo & Juliet", "This new Lion King looks awesome", "Especially the 80s styling. \n\nI love it.", "Yeah I'm thinking those teeth were already dead af by the time holes were drilled into them.", "You and everyone else for the past 400 years", "Techno Viking: The Movie", "I liked Vikings. Fuck me I guess.", "That could justify the unearthly catch and return...but unless the original thrower also got a shot of that juice it's still hilarious. Who's gonna throw a 7ft pike 200 yards?", "Love that spoiler in trailer. Geez. 5/10.", "On that note, 1883 is pretty damned entertaining.", "Nice, a Vikings fan film.", "For real I've always assumed.", "Maybe, but it’s based on a pretty old story, the same that likely inspired Macbeth.", "[I like to imagine Sam Elliot is like this in real life](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwATvALiQ_8)", "Playing Valheim all year really prepared me for this film.", "Can we be done with Vikings after this one... Please...", "🎼 \"... Who came riding to Whiterun from ole Rorikstead ...\" 🎼", "Another gritty viking show/movie? What a surprise.\n\nRustled some Viking fanboys feathers I see.", "Now we have watched the movie. 6/10", "This is the Ikea origin story", "I like that we also seem to get a hint with Anya Taylor-Joy's character of women in that society being spell weavers", "Yeah, it's not Hamlet just because \"uncle kills king\". Although honestly my thought was Hamlet at first. But then the kid saw the uncle, instead of spending the movie thinking it was his fault.\n\nSo that's a pretty big deviation from Hamlet. Which also makes me a lot more interested.\n\nAlso, while I can't prove it, I'm pretty sure the idea of a king getting killed off by a brother wasn't invented by Shakespeare.", "You kill my father. Prepare to die.", "It's based on the original Norse story that Hamlet was based on. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth", "Wow, a whole trailer without a single token ethnicity? That's hilariously somehow original at this stage.\n\nCall me racist all you want, but if you put asians, Indians and black people all over stuff supposed to be e.g medieval Europe I can't watch it except to laugh at the absurdity.", "Really was hoping this would be an origin story to like Logan 9 Fingers and the begining of The First Law series", "Aside from the obvious same setting/theme, this has a lot of scenes that look like it's straight out of AC:Valhalla, camera angle and all.", "You mean Uhtred son of Uhtred?", "It’s The Witch, the double V was just for marketing on the posters.\n\nIt is an incredible film though.", "The Princess Bride. Or at least Inigo Montoya's part of the movie...", "The scene of him quietly sobbing in his pickup as he leaves Bradley Cooper's house in A Star is Born was him seeing the size of his paycheck.", "Clearly this is a modern interpretation of cinematic master class that is _Conan the Barbarian_.", "But the dude's name is actually an anagram of Hamlet. It directly inspired Shakespeare.\n\nYou're right that it isn't technically Hamlet, and not every revenge story is Hamlet. But this particular legend is literally the origin of Shakespeare's second most famous work.", "Imagine getting upset about spoilers for a 1000 year old story with multiple remakes and adaptations.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth", "You all need to read Sharpe next.", "[Amleth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth)* \n \n >Amleth (Latinized Amlethus, Old Icelandic Amlóði) is a figure in a medieval Scandinavian legend, the direct inspiration of the character of Prince Hamlet, the hero of William Shakespeare's tragedy Hamlet, Prince of Denmark. The chief authority for the legend of Amleth is Saxo Grammaticus, who devotes to it parts of the third and fourth books of his Gesta Danorum, completed at the beginning of the 13th century. Saxo's version is similar to the one in the 12th-century Chronicon Lethrense. In both versions, prince Amleth (Amblothæ) is the son of Horvendill (Orwendel), king of the Jutes.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Champion of the snow", "Means 'warrior'. Maybe thinking of ragnarok?", "It’s the Vinland Saga, this one is older than the Bard.", "Am I the only one thinking \"Hamlet\"?", "If they get close enough to kill us, we're close enough to kill them", "The action looks weird af. It's clunky and slow.", "The Northam, starring a guy in black face.", "Looks great. I'm sure it will flop at the box office", "Well, I guess that's the first three quarters of the film revealed.", "He was ok before his accident", "Hah, that's what I was thinking too", "Team CoCo", "Ragnar was literally an extremely common name back then. There were like 5 different kings named Ragnar and fuck knows how many people since people often named their kids after rulers.", "I didn't have any hope, but that's what I thought of :)", "This is kind of more true than you think", "Vinland Saga?", "Similar setup to The Last Kingdom, which I really enjoyed. \n\nI'll be interested to see what this character ends up doing...", "So you can up the volume, put in fullscreen and rotate your phone before it starts.", "I just turned off the trailer after they killed Ethan Hawke. I was already in. No need to see more.", "Truly original and visionary in its scope. \n\nCan’t wait for another version of hypermasculine bearded dudes covered in grime with that cinematography color palate.", "Or Thor", "Damnnnnn Elden ring - The Movie so soon!\n\nFOUL TARNISHED!", "Booo-urrnnnns!", "Dibs!", "Ragnarock means doom of the Gods maybe you were thinking krig", "Damn Skarsgards are everywhere these days", "There are 375 skarsgards acting today. I literally can't tell who is who.", "The Lion King with Vikings? \n\nI'm in!", "Nicole Kidman? Really?", "My great great grandfather was Einar Einarson....", "Read some of the Icelandic sagas and you'll change your mind. Try Egils Saga, Laxdæla or Njáls saga to name a few.", "Yes. It's called magic.\n\nCan we really not have stylized violence anymore without people nitpicking the physics? I'm so done with \"realism\". Its boring. Give me opera and stunts.", "I suddenly want to rewatch Eric the Viking.", "Based on similar vikings sagas, except this is based on Amleth which inspired Hamlet.", "Holy shit, this looks fucking awesome. It’s kind of giving me The Green Knight vibes.", "I refuse to pronounce the title in any way other than the Vee Vitch", "Yes, but there's at least twenty films called The Witch.", "That’s why I tell everyone to not watch trailers.", ">\tlol what? no Green Knight vibes in this at all\n\nI strongly disagree.", "Yeah if I know anything about ancient history.. It's they didn't like to go outside their comfort zone for names haha.", "As a tall, lanky guy, I am happy to see the protagonist as strong without being on steroids.", "This movie looks like it blows, ain’t going to waste my time. Also looks like they copied the Assasins Creed Valhalla script which should tell you everything you need to know", "Seriously how can people miss this?", "The main character is the direct inspiration for hamlet", "If I were looking for a spell, that would be one I'd choose!", "> creator of Vikings\n\nThe first few seasons were good... At least I thought so.\n\nIt was refreshing to see a show make a Christian and Pagan god both real, and have them interact with real people, like a modern religious faith. I really appreciated the early introspection.", "I feel like you have fundamentally misunderstood what the point of magic is.", "Looks like Viking Lion King", "do you know where I can find the actual version? I enjoyed vikings for the first couple seasons and then fell out of it, but would like to give it another shot with the real version.", "Destiny is all.", "Oh shit I didn’t know Nicole Kidman would be in this, nice.", "Oh my Odin. That looks like it’s going to be fun!", "I don't think the genre is played out but I think the someone killed my family and i will take revenge / someone took my land and i will take revenge is played out. But it makes for good TV I guess.", "Feels like Anya Taylor-Joy is in everything lately.", "I have fallen down the Bernard Cornwell rabbit hole and am finally on Sharpe. It’s his best series, IMO. And I think you have to watch the miniseries first because Sean Bean as Sharpe will really cement that character in your head. \n\nIf you’re looking for something to scratch the Sharpe itch, check out the Flashman series of novels. The titular character has all the flaws of the stock douchey, entitled officer in the Sharpe Books and it’s a fun foil to Sharpe.", "Skyrim the Movie is looking pretty good.", "A lot of this was filmed in Northern Ireland, and it was the first major production I can think of that was getting things rolling, after Covid stopped a blossoming film future for the area in its tracks.\n\nSo I dunno, shoutout to the the Northman for kickstarting the film industry back here again, legends.", "Alexander Skarsgard is Swedish and Bjork is from Iceland. Not all are Nordic, but some are!", "The crappy accents in general too. I like Anya Taylor-Joy but I don't like her attempt at sounding vaguely Northern European. And they threw in Nicole Kidman, who seems to have almost no role at all, because she'll draw the rubes.", "I wonder if she still makes that wine with juniper berries", "I personally hated it, it felt like it deviated from the source material too much, and had too many unanswered questions the whole way through. I agree that the lack of senseless action scenes is a good thing, but other than that I don't have much positive to say about the movie as a whole.", "also current Scandinavia", "Meh", "The first four seasons (the best ones IMO) are on Canadian Netflix. After that you will likely have to hit up the high seas, matey. Prime has the edited version though.", "Ith thith about the Vikingth?", "Now I feel like a ham omelette for some reason", "Finally, the sequel to The Irishman is here!", "I was saying booo-urns", "The problem is there are barely any real Scandinavian folks at all, unless you're going to say the Viking raids in the circa. 11th century converted the UK (by way of USA) made English people Scandinavian. \n\nAnd the real problem with Hollywood has been casting white people as Asian people, so much that a blonde blue-eyed woman was supposed to be Japanese-Hawaiian.", "[Immigrant - Valhalla remix](https://streamable.com/pr4up7)", "Dan Marino", "I said something similar in the movies sub when this trailer was posted. \n\nThere’s a shot with a girl clearly wearing modern braces on her teeth. The braces and the very different costume design reminds me of a Viking opera. There’s another shot of the main character with totally different hair and makeup repeating the same mantra of revenge. This isn’t fully a fictionalized period piece. \n\nThis movie isn’t about what it seems like it’s about. There will be some time jumps, or a blending of realities/mental breakdowns/hallucinations from the main character. Or, of a story repeating throughout history, locking the main characters into their fates over and over, until they break it by abandoning revenge for love. That’s the vibe I’m getting.\n\nEdit: I think I’m wrong. I like my wrong idea, but I’m probably wrong. Still excited to see this movie.", "I think it's the opposite actually, it's usually die-hard franchise fans that are like that.", "My name is Bjerg Bjergsonson, you killed my father, prepare to die!", "Medieval Europe wasn't a monolith and Othello is about a black guy in Europe; your ignorance is showing.", "Is it cool as fuck? \n\nYes.\n\nIt shall be!", "Or Uhtred", "> Tucker and Dave \n\nlmao", "Does everything have to be a cinematic universe now? lol", "I prefer subtitles myself so yes. But I'm also a historical nut and don't get too upset over gender things.", "You’re a master of glima", "So will you name your son Einar Hugebluestraponson?", "If you have seen Robert Eggers' other films than you'll know that he is actually quite original with his direction style.", "clap clap clap clap clap", "and kinship for everyone", "Oh fuck thanks for pointing that out. I thought I didn't remember that correctly hah", "Sick! Love it! That being said, is anyone else tired of European conflict? Can we get some pre Columbian civilizations doing cool shit too? Or a story about the Yorubas. Like c'mon, you don't have to convince people vikings were cool. Let's get some new shit in theaters", "I doubt it.", "I'm pretty sure there's a huge spoiler for Defoe's character in the trailer.", "So Are “Vikings” the new movie cash-grab in the same way that the “Pirates” theme was for the 2010’s? Or Ninjas in 2000’s? \n\nSeems like TV, Gaming, and Movies are headed toward Vikings.", "Maybe. There’s enough tropy Viking stuff from this trailer that I’m not going to be holding my breath.", "https://imgur.com/EiZVSQ3", "> The VVitch\n\nLet me guess, you’re going to insist on writing this title out as “THE NᛟRTHMAN” too", "I mean, it's a relatively honest mistake. I was only off by one letter. But I'm glad you had fun with it.", "Kind of reminds me of Vinland Saga.", "I just saw her last name, and realised why she might just go by Bjork.", "I just thought it was funny.", "Not hating but I'm fixated on the part where he jumps from the wall and axes a guy on horseback. Just reminded me of the king fu films where they fly through the air.", "Hey you, you're finally awake...", "Is this a historical recreation or reimagining? Or is it just an entirely fictional story?", "Thorfinn", "Yeah, that is more of a callout. Most of the people that complain about changes of race or gender are not actually motivated by dedication to authenticity.", "Sorry to have insulted your god", "I think it was a good movie but I can't decide if I liked it. I did not care for most of their edits to the source material. Specifically, having Gawain's mother be Morgan le Fay made it really hard to understand her motivations in this version of the story. The changes around Lord Bertilak also robbed their kiss of so much meaning and subtext. Finally, I wasn't satisfied with the ambiguous ending. \n\nGiven how much trouble Lowery has had in explaining some of his motivations for these choices, I'm not sure he knew exactly what he was up to either. He often went for depth and instead ended up with ambiguity.\n\nHowever, it was beautiful and unique. I'm glad I saw it. The more distance I have from the actual watching the more I enjoy it. It's the opposite of happens in some movies where I had a good time in the theater but got upset the more I thought about it.", "It totally has that vibe!", "So, this is The Last Kingdom but with even worse fake accents.. will have to watch it now!", "BJORK!", "Well I'm sold.", "If you include The Witches and not just the singular The Witch, it gets there easily. A singular 'The Witch' seems to have 'only' been used for 10 movies. \n\nhttps://www.imdb.com/find?q=the%20witch&s=tt&ttype=ft&ref_=fn_ft", "Thumbnail looks like a giant from Skyrim", "It is an artsy film, no fights.\n\nIt is alright/good, but if you go in expecting a semi action movie, you are going to leave disappointed.", "It's just odd that you would make a point about being thankful that films you have already seen did not spoil anything in their trailers, but do so in a way that implies that a film you haven't seen is spoiling things in its trailer. It seems like you are putting the cart before the horse.\n\n>new properties rely heavily on showing off the best of the film to attract an audience\n\nNo, they don't.", "I liked it too. But I stopped at the season where it’s brother v brother", "I noticed that too, and it did bug me a lil but Dafoe nailed that performance", "Yeah she's not a good actress, at least anything I've ever seen her in. She always looks like she's trying too hard. At that plastic surgery doesn't help either, especially for a period piece.", "At this point I'll watch anything Robert Eggers puts out.", "It was this comment right here for me.", "Hamlet? Isn't this just Conan?", "Sues cameraman for stealing his power", "The director's first two films were A24, so it wouldn't be a stretch.", "I say Vitch with a stutter.", "The suffix -ar(r) means warrior, still common in many Nordic names today (Ragnar, Einar, Arnar, Gunnar, Viðar and so on).", "My problem with Viking was the amount of bending over backwards they did to try and make the lead a likable relatable good guy. Like you can't have it both ways. Either he's a charming personable modern guy who does all the right stuff according to our modern ethics. Or he's a mean spirited, looting, pillaging and human sacrificing viking.", "It would be great to see a movie about his life and its end at Stamford Bridge going against Harold Godwinson's Anglo-Saxon army. We are lucky enough to have Old English and Old Norse texts depicting the battle. The Old Norse prose has a beautiful elegiac quality, and it is a kin to the great Old English poem the Battle of Maldon.", "They didn't show the results of the spear throw so I don't know if its better than Thorkell's spear throw...", "Flashman is my second favorite series behind Aubrey-Maturin, I’m re-reading Flashman and the Redskins for like the fourth time lol.\n\nMaster and Commander and Sir Harry’s memoirs are side by side on my shelf.\n\nIf you enjoy Flashman be sure to read Fraser’s other stuff, namely MacAuslan. It’s absolutely hilarious and an actual pseudo memoir from Fraser.", "> This looks like it might have a similar problem Vikings did, where they fuck around in a place between reality and fantasy, and never quite go all in on either.\n\nIn fairness, I'm pretty sure between the alcohol and the plants they used to chew on before battle, the Vikings themselves probably existed in a weird place between reality and fantasy.", "There's a lot of cheesiness in the action sequences it seems, lots of bits just in the trailer that look stupid.", "Holy sht does this look good!", "This is kind of like Vinland saga lol", "One sucks blood, the other bloody sucks.", "Similar to conan", "I did that and I don't remember any nudity.", "Visually It looked cool enough, like an episode of GoT or somethething, but then Anya Taylor-Joy popped up and it became even more Hollywoody. I understand she's talented and pretty but she doesn't need to be in everything.\n\nEdit: I understand I will get hate. But I think casting can make or break a movie. It can make a difference between realism and immersion and a Disney ride with models for actors", "Right? Or as I call it, \"The fucking Uhtred show.\"", "This is literally based on the story that Shakespeare based Hamlet off of.", "The problem is that this doesn't look very stylized but rather just looks like bad special effects. LOTR had stylized, magical fights that felt natural and looked realistic. This just looks like lazy CG and poorly planned wire acrobatics. I doubt it will make or break the movie, but I agree with that dude that it doesn't look good imo.", "You're right, Shakespeare based Hamlet off of a scandinavian story about the viking prince Amleth...who is the main character of The Northman.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth", "No Gustaf Skarsgård 0/10", "Please tell me this was supposed to he a joke lol.", "\"The all-new Dodge Ram 3500. I shit bigger'un you.\"", "So what you're saying is... Shakespeare didn't stay true to the source material?\n\nI hate when they do that. What a hack!", "/r/thanksihateit", "It's almost like material resources were not universally and consistently available back then.", "Did it make your assicle tingle?", "Same question….maybe vfx missed it?", "Avenge Ethan Hawk. Protecc Nicole Kidman. Buy out Logan Roy.", "Revolting, thank you", "\"Hi Bjork, I just need to borrow a cup of sugar.\"\n\n\"EEEEwhweee HAaaaaHA OOOOOOoooooooo!!!\" (gets a cup a sugar)", "Oh my God somebody needs to get those people a pile of money so they can a whole movie like this.", "She doesn't look younger. She just looks different.", "as always, this looks tactile AF", "Yes.\n\nYes this looks good.", "The visuals are very amazing & storyline is epic.\n\nWhere can we watch it streaming?", "Why does that Valkyrie lady at the very end have braces?", "So glad I'm not the only one.", "Yeah jusy show me the whole fucking movie, that's cool.\n\nSKIP.", "planned battles vs impromptu fights against raiders, probably.", "—of Bebbenburg, no less.\n\n\nI love this intro from the show's wiki:\n\n>Uhtred of Bebbanburg* or Uhtred Ragnarsson (originally named Osbert, sometimes referred to as Uhtred Uhtredson, also known as Uhtred of Cookham)\n\nI think he'll have three more alias by series finale.", "He's gonna get bebbanburg back. Even though the lands he had been granted is far more fertile, and he's got a hot wife and cool kids and a bunch of wealth. But he wants benbanburg, a cold northern hellhole.", "no BIPOC representation?\n\n/s", "Did you miss the lady that riding a steed into outer space?", "I'm into this but it looks like Viking Lion King...", "CONAN: Adds Cardio to his Routine", "I mean, it's clearly not a historical drama grounded in reality. Or did you miss the valkyrie ?", "It's not that uncommon in Icelandic sagas. Family and clan were huge, and so was revenge.", "You do you. I LOOOOVE Egger's \"low-fi\" special effects. There's an element of \"fake\" in the special effects work of The Witch and The Lighthouse that makes it look completely eerie to me, like Nosferatu or the works of Ray Harryhausen. I think it looks fine here.", "Mugato \"Vikings. So so hot right now. Vikings.\"", "It's like a buddy of mine who would only refer to Ke$ha as Kuh-dollar-sign-hah", "Wait a minute.. thats Tarzan!", "Defoe at his finest imho.", "And its always the opening 5 mins", "Wut", "I imagine that part, in this version, is just the scream from The Immigrant Song.", "\"Shark bait, hoo haa haa\"", "Sorted by controversial just to find this. I was going to say the same thing. Good to see some people have a bit of sense.", "Yes they do, teaser trailer, 1st trailer and 2nd to 3rd trailers give away highlights and even misdirect the tone of the film. It's about getting people into seats jfc and I mentioned trailers I appreciated because others were making guesses of how trailers often spoil a film. I didn't imply anything", "Come on now.", "That is entirely the reason. There is nothing racist or sexist about saying that it's embarrassing pandering when shows about Norse people add black vikings. The Last Kingdom did it as soon as it transitioned to Netflix because they demand certain quotas.", "I loved The Witch too, but I don't recall any special effects that made me go \"eugh\" like I did a couple times in this trailer. It made me feel the same way as when I watch old movies who's special effects didn't hold up through time. It doesn't feel eerie like the witch did, and instead, for me at least, just breaks the immersion a little. Maybe I won't feel it as bad in the movie proper. Either way I'm sure I'll still enjoy the movie, I love his style otherwise and I'm a big fan of the setting in general.", "Except maybe they didn't go fully woke and cast black and Asian vikings. Not being racist here but that was just so unbelievable.", "Whaddya call a nerd that's really into Bjork?\n\nA djork.", "I said vviiiiitch", "But why male models?", "Remember that time you told him to go fuck himself? \n\nWell I hope you’re happy now", "Sounds like you're the one already gone nuts.", "So I got my teeth carved, which was the style at the time", "Just because you see it repeated over-and-over again for movies that have not actually been released, it does not make it true.", ">There is nothing racist or sexist about saying that it's embarrassing pandering when shows about Norse people add black vikings.\n\nWhat about the pandering of making them speak English?", "I love the last Kingdom. \"I am uthred, son of uthred, father of uthred, grandson of uthred, who is the father of uthred, grandson of uthred...\"", "I WILL AVENGE YOU ANDY\n\nI WILL SAVE YOU COCO\n\nI WILL KILL YOU LENO", "The Last Kingdom, the movie?", "I’m treating this as Norsemen canon", "I believe the phrase is nautical nonsense", "That I do. I’ve read most of his stuff but haven’t read the Sharpe series.", "Done. Check out Norsemen.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpMvIZRUPf4", "The pacing of the shots at the beginning made me think this was gonna be a comedy. \n\nGlad I was wrong.", "Has to be the first viking movie/show I've seen where they wear actual chainmail and nasal helms instead of the bikerleathers with fur or whatever.", "\"Someday son, all this will be yours.\"\n\n\"What, the cuuuurtains?\"", "2:09 she's wearing braces?", "What a silly urge to get freaking jacked and swing axes at things.", "I feel like I just saw the whole movie.", "I feel like it's the \"Holden\" of Viking characters. The number of fictional parents who decided to name their child after Holden Caufield greatly outnumbers the real parents who have done so.", "Dafoe: \"THERE WAS AN AXE FIGHT\"", "That's an entirely different kind of movie. This is like saying that Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy was a snoozefest, Kingsman was better.", "I enjoy them as they tend to let the actors stretch themselves much more. The fact that Dafoe or Pattinson didn't get an Oscar for either roles in the lighthouse was shocking. They were utterly brilliant.", "Vikings goes to hollywood, the movie, but not all that convincing.\n\nBig stars, big chunk of change thrown in, but i'm not really seeing it. \n\nBoy loses father, struggles, grows, drama drama drama, wins(or maybe does't), the end. Randomly insert some \"cool action sequences / fight scenes\", job done, naturally. Oh wait, insert a few really deep one liners pulled straight out of \"getmotivated\" and this thing is a wrap.", "Dialogue here seems laughably cliched?", "Watch this very informative video by the Welsh Viking: [Did Viking Warriors Really CUT Their TEETH?](https://youtu.be/xMgDqUTqvPU)", "They were apparently using an antique camera that cameraman had to focus by hand and that was the best take so that's what they went with.", "Yep. And the cowrie shells really gives it that authentic norse feeling.", "I thought that was a Skyrim giant", "I love being 25% Norwegian so I can call myself a Viking. That other 75% isn't really important", "That's a pretty core concept to the whole viking storytelling tradition though, so I can kinda forgive it. \n\nVikings have definitely been WAAAY oversaturated this past decade though, for reasons I honestly dont even understand. Burnout on this subject is inevitable. I think Vikings are cool but I dont really get why they're having such a massive focus in mass media lately. Every other video game these days is about vikings and there are like 4 tv shows. They're the new zombies lol.", "Well now you’re getting to the long cultural line of vengeance that has made all kinds of stuff just not super fun for many folks for ages.\n\nOdins son becomes god of vengeance for killing fenrir, when in reality odin was an absolute bitch prick who was afraid of fenrir and brought about the prophecy he tried to avoid through cruelty. \n\nStill, fenrir swallows him and Odins son kills him and becomes the god of vengeance. Pretty weak IMO.", "I mean the Skarsgard family goes full circle. Gustaf played in Vikings, Alexander was a Vampire who used to be a Viking, Bill played an Upir in Hemlock Grove. I guess they just fit the bill.", "I was clean shaven when the trailer started. I now gave a full beard,", "Amon Amarth would go great with a trailer for this movie", "My friend was a Thorson. Do you know how someone is a ~~vegan~~ viking. They'll tell you. \n\nI'm guilty of that. Shame on me.", "So excited for this new season of Norsemen but it looks different", "Northman!", "Vikings are so hot…. I’m ready to be pillaged 🥵", "Bone-punk?", ">This is going to be Hamlet with the trappings of the sagas of the Icelanders. \n\nWell Shakespeare's Hamlet actually subverted the tropes it was working with pretty dramatically. A better example of the stereotypical avenging son story would probably be the Lion King or Conan the Barbarian. That being said, even if he sticks with those tropes I'm sure there will be little things here and there that he does to make it his own.", "If you've read the epic of Gilgamesh you know the major plot points of basically all modern superhero movies, there's like two that I can think of where the bad guy wins. Doesn't mean the details aren't still fun to watch.", "It was mead, you milk-drinker.\n\nSKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!", "I would say my movie experience suffered from how awesome that trailer was. The actual film did not hold up to my hype from the trailer. Did laugh really hard tho.", "🥱 😪 😴\nSeems like too much overdramatization.\n\n\nThat spear grab and throw back made me shake my head.", "I was already onboard but, but when I saw Anya I knew this is going to be my favorite movie of the year!", "What accent is Anya doing?", "Would he be the North-Going Zax or the South-Going Zax?", "Aww, thanks chief <3", "I fucking hate that, but these 5 second trailers for the trailer is for the 5 second unskippable part if its run as an ad. It tries to hook you to not skip after 5 seconds.", "What I would give to see a live action Askeladd", "I wait that wasn't real?", "I think I still prefer Conan the Barbarian. But we'll see.", "So it’s the plot to AC Valhalla?", "Everyone should go see this. Even if the ratings are middling. We have to show that there is an interest in period action stories.", "This one they just copied the storyline from Vinland Saga. Still looks like worth watching when you wanna veg", "I'm in", "Don't get me started on holding a sword in reverse grip.", "efficient", "Lmao me either.", "So, is this just Norseman with a lisp?", "“Fucking Mike”", "Its what Valhalla rising pretended it was in the trailer. Im not even mad tho. Valhalla rising is amazing.", "Is this just Hamlet with a more proper Viking setting?", "I genuinely thought spiderman no way home's marketing gave up too much of the movie. Then I went and saw it and I couldn't have been more wrong.", "It starts slow but picks up quickly and gets WAY crazy. Eggers literally just keeps leveling up with every film and this looks like it's gonna be another level up. Sad it's not with A24 again, but they have another massive one coming out themselves soon with Everything Everywhere All At once and The Tragedy of Macbeth written and directed by Joel Coen (first outing without Ethan, the other coen brother) Starring Denzel fucking washington. It's crazy. That studio is churning out fire art films left and right with an increasing budget.", "He’s a man of principle. I can appreciate that.", "Björk? Its great to see her again!", "Did that \"Valkyrie\" near the end of the trailer have braces on her teeth, or was that just me?", "Vikings, the movie", "According to Wikipedia it's [140 minutes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman), but it's not going to release until April, so I'd guess there's a lot of time for that to change.", "[The Northman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman) \n \n >The Northman is an upcoming American epic historical thriller film directed by Robert Eggers, who co-wrote the screenplay with Sjón. Set at the turn of the tenth century in Iceland, it stars Alexander Skarsgård as Viking prince Amleth, who sets out on a mission of revenge after his father is murdered. Nicole Kidman, Claes Bang, Anya Taylor-Joy, Ethan Hawke, Björk, and Willem Dafoe appear in supporting roles. It is scheduled to be theatrically released on April 22, 2022, by Focus Features.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "No. Conan was a conqueror, not a reclaimer. He carried on the spirit of his father and his people through his exploits of savagery.", "So were dads", "i thinks so. or the viking teeth ornament. lol", "\\Scene opens on snowy landscape with horses pulling carts\\ \n\n\n\\first animal noise heard is the most used free domain Sound for a camel.\\", "Lol why watch the trailer?", "fuckin sick", "What makes you assume it has anything to do with the Vinland sage? Did you see American in this trailer or natives? It's based on the story of Amleth that inspired Hamlet, Robert Eggers has never said anything else", "Lost me at catching a spear", "Vikings were actually black and history whitewashed their true identity. It's a shame we are still portraying this version of history.", "Yeah he runs a personal injury law firm with Phil Spiderman.", "Fully expecting an after credits scene of Godric turning him", "It's weird that this cookie cutter movie trailer is getting so many upvotes.", "I admit the legolas scene was not great imo. Kinda blocked that one out in my head lol, he's got a few scenes that are cheesy. \n\nAnd \"realistic\" isn't really the word I should have used, I meant to say \"believable\". Like the Sauron scene is what I was thinking because it actually does look believable given the \"magic\" explanation. He still has big wind ups, the \"physics\" after he hits the people is still realistic if you're assuming his attack simply packs a huge amount of energy, the cg effects like the dust kicking up around people when he swings, etc. It feels correct within the environment. I don't get that feeling from the shots in this trailer.\n\nAgain I'm just talking in my opinion and my experience. If you like it that's cool, it just doesn't \"work\" for me, and presumably doesn't work for the other guy I was agreeing with lol.", "It's not hard to work out general plot points. Revenge on a man, might be some witchcraft, possibly a betrayal by his mother.", "The whole movie seems like the same old predictable retread. Why is it getting so many upvotes?", "Nah. Thorodurr after my great grandpa. My dad is Thor", "I went to a place called Bjork in Iceland and it was a one lane gravel road I almost got stuck on", "They did amazing work!", "\"...mead,mead,mead...would it kill em to get some beer every now and then? …stupid bees and their stupid honey.\"", "Then you pirated the wrong version.", "I'm a man, married to a woman, but I'd watch that man eat cereal for 2 hours.", "Yep, the lenses they had were a major pain in the ass to with from what I understand too", "Next season when?", "That's the whole point of Aurthurian legends. They get adapted. And Lady Bertilak even nods to that in her speech in the library. \n\n\nThis idea of purity is bullshit.", "Holy crap! She sure does. https://i.imgur.com/P8zCmAT.jpg", "This better not be Haga.", "Is it Skyrim all over again Todd Howard", "…….Ragnar…..", "I don't know, for some reason the look of the film feels.. flat? Like it feels cheap and genericy but then when it cuts to Dafoe and Bjork it looks rad.. I have faith in eggers so maybe its just the trailer", "No, Uthred son of Uthgard, son of Uthred.", "It's even worse if you consider that they didn't have power tools or anesthesia at that time.", "God, that shot based on Schneider's Hypnosis will stick with me forever (in a good way).", "Any word on the case of the shitting log stalker?", "I'm so watching this tonight!", ">Are you okay with historical dramas that whitify people.\n\nAre you okay with historical dramas that have all the actors speak English instead of the language of the people they are based on?\n\n>Politics in art has its place, but if it has to be forced down the viewers throat then this probably isn't it.\n\nI'm failing to see how not being historical with skin color in a fiction is \"politics\", and I am also not entirely sure how it is getting \"forced down\" anyone's throat. You still get to choose to watch it or not.", "Yes please!", "We still talking Sam Elliot or back to Bjork? Reminds me of Steve Rinella on Joe Rogan once saying of an animal that it had \"more hair than a 14 yo Norwegian girl.\" 'bout died.", "I typically don't like these kinds of Norse movies/shows, but damn is this trailer interesting. It has just the right amount of crazy, action and story.", "Is this a True Blood prequel??", "Nicole Kidman will be interesting", "I'd watch it if it weren't in English, but you do realize how ridiculous you're being, right? The countries that had vikings don't speak Old Norse anymore, they all speak different languages that sound different from each other. If this is the only argument you have then it's a very weak one.", "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN!", "Conan? Remember that Arnold's Conan and the literary Conan are completely different. Literary Conan was a veteran soldier by the age of fifteen and Arnold's Conan was a dumb slave, turned gladiator originating from a herdsmen tribe and not one of the most feared warrior tribes of the hyborian era (the fictional era created by Robert Howard, the author). Having a proper Conan movie would be awesome, and when I say proper, I mean to say something that at least understands Conan's mythos and not just a generic viking movie with the \"Conan the barbarian\" plastered over it.", "It’s what’s for dinner.", "That would rule!", "It's a cool movie but I always fast forward through the wife widow mail service parts.\n\nI'm watching the movie for one thing, and that ain't it.", "They are being sent to Helheim where shitting log stalkers belong", "Conan the Barbarian was an excellent movie.", "Okay. I'm not going to watch another trailer for this film. I am sold. I will see this movie and know nothing else about it until I walk into the theater on opening weekend.\n\nThis is the way.", "Dennis Leary is really pulling through on the acting", "I think the double V was pronounced as a W back in the day, it was just written that way.", "It's because nobody is going to come back to these threads after they saw the movie proper and going 'well I was wrong'. They either ignore it or they will go 'see, I was right' in the movie discussion thread if the trailer does spoil the movie.", ">I'm going in cold under the assumption that this is an origins movie for Alexander Skarsgård's character in ~~True Blood~~ Succession. I'm confident I won't be disappointed.", "Oooooorm", "Wyrd bið ful aræd", "I was almost named Ragnar Timson, my mother put the kibosh on that, so I got the name Jeff Lebowski, in 1974. Not cool at the time, but after the movie, I’m just the Dude.", "Anya Taylor-Joy, so hot right now. Anya Taylor-Joy.", "Yo calm down lmfao", "Vinland Saga Vibes?", "Vikings was pretty damn good, am I missing something? I thought it was a really good series and well-done.", "Looks like a shot by shot shorter version of Game Of Thrones. To soon? Looks good enough I’ll watch it", "Saw a screening of this, liked it a lot less than Robert Eggers’ previous films. Idk what magic came together in the making of the witch, but it wasn’t there for this one.", "His two previous movies are both on my top 20 list, so, yes. Yes, please. I'll have more, please.", "Literally Vinland Saga. Like point for point.", "Finally \nTechno Viking the movie. \nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-8H4GKg-mYQ", "Looks sick. Definitely has Eggars' fingerprints all over it. Can't wait to see it!", "King George commands and we Obey\n\nOver the Hills and far away", "Thought about vinland saga too. One of the few Animes that would do well in live action i think.", "Nobody knows, but it's provocative, really gets the people going", "Remains to be seen but to match Conan's awesomeness is a damned high bar.", "Iz just joke, y haff b mad", "I thought we already moved past the viking trend.\n\nLooks good though.", "kinda reminds me of a slightly modified vinland saga", "Skarsgård is 45 years old. What the hell.", "Context?", "AHHHHHHHHHHJ", "wait this is literally the story of vinland saga (yes I know it's based off of an ancient saga)", "That remark is fucking excellent.", "Fighter of the south man", "Conan the Barbarian/Conan O'Brian the talk show host", "Yes, and I'll always be the first one to admit that! But, the only thing relating the 1982 Conan the Barbarian movie to the literary character and it's many tales is just the name of the movie. Heck, even the Jason Momoa Conan movie, despite being very bad in comparison to the 1982 one, gets the character of Conan much more properly than the classic film. People just think that it's a great good Conan movie because of nostalgia and because most people haven't read the OG tales... (which you can all read for free on the internet, btw)", "AaaAaah!!!!", "The thumbnail for this has him looking like he's cosplaying Arnold's Conan", "So basically the first arc of Vinland Saga. Interesting.", "Aaaahhhh aaaahhhhh", "I was hoping someone would mention this here!! \nBy the dead I’m let down it wasn’t First Law", "Great actors / actresses", "I like to say Ke-ching-ha", "https://twitter.com/netflixgeeked/status/1354074814739144704?lang=de \n\n>A great warrior, tolerant leader and ruler of Kattegat.\n\nOf course she is", "Deadmau5 \n\n\"dead-MOUW-five\"", "Now, to take the dragonship cost a farthing, and in those days, farthings had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. \"Gimme four bees for a penningar\" you'd say.", "isnt this basically the same story as AC Valhalla? Mom and Dad get killed, kid grows up gets revenge?", "The shirtless warriors look like Berserkers, that would be pretty accurate.", "You gotta pay the Weapon toll if you want your axe whole", "Alexander was one of the last three people up for the role of MCU Thor, before Chris Hemsworth was cast. I've always wondered if he was jealous his dad got to be in the movie instead.", "Could either be really good or good sleeper material. Hoping for the former.", "Trailers show too much.", "I know it's gonna be good because of the production company. Focus Features started with Eternal Sunshine and it hasn't stopped delivering yet", "This sure does seem a lot like Conan.", "Well, fuck me! This looks good!", "The absolute best is the movie se7en, or sesevenen if you prefer.", "Bruh", "This looks sick, can’t wait to see it. \n\nIt’s kind of weird that like 2 years ago Nicole Kidman played Alexander Skarsgard’s wife in Big Little Lies and now she’s playing his mother tho.", "Gunnar Gunnarson?", "In a break-up a few years back, my ex got to keep the Nintendo Switch. My friends and I have an inside joke where I'll say \"That VVitch took my Svvitch\"", "This is Eric before he was turned. That's my head canon.", "Boner", "Almost like thorgal series.", "Ohhhh there once was a man named Ragnar the Red...", "Why is there a 5 second trailer before the trailer telling me to watch the trailer?", "This whole sound track better be by Heilung.", "I think this is the most boring trailer I have ever seen.", "IM DEAD! \n\nEVEN IN A MOVIE ABOUT VIKINGS THE BRITISH STILL WIND UP BEING THE BADDIES 😂😂😂", "Well of course. They are the ones holding all that poor gold hostage.", "I will avenge thee, gold. I will save thee, silver.", "WOW POG THAT IS AMAZING\n\nthey still misspronounced most of the surnames in the trailer so Skarsgård is the token black / swede to excuse that? Wtf is even your point", "Looks kind of like a northman version of the Green Knight, hopefully it isn't as horrible.", "AAAaaaaaAAAA", "Sonofa...", "Vhen vill you vear vigs?", "Speak for yourself - Steve Buscemi", "Ok is this movie based on the Bernard Cornwell books? I read them when they first came out and then kinda watched the show. Seeing this trailer it seemed very similar to me..is it loosely based on them or just a coincidence?", "As it's an Eggers movie, I think it's going to lean much more heavily into the other worldly than this trailer lets on. They gotta market towards the Gladiator crowd to sell", "Alexander would have been a much better Thor IMO.", "HOLY FUCK", "So it’s basically Lion King with vikings.", "This live action remake of the Lion King took a very dark turn...", "It’s been years since I’ve seen the film, what line are you talking about?", "I wonder since it is not a A24 movie will it be more mainstream. Eggers makes some pretty out there movies", "Everyone's just on the money train trying to write what sells.\n\nAnd maybe Viking stuff is a cultural identity that alot of a certain demographic of guys looking for an identity can cling to haha", "Save", "You're fond of me movies, ain't ye?", "I had no idea what genre this would be so I was kind of expecting to be greeted with a 'Alright, pet' at the start", "Spoiler Alert he kills *******\n\n\n\n his uncle", "If I had a steak.... I'd fuck it!!!", "So basically Vikings, except the blonde is less hot.", "Stylistically it looks cool but why is no one wearing armor?", "It didn't say when it's out", "Back in the day...this movie would be called \"Straight to Video.\"\n\n<yawn>", "He wants his birthright that is also an almost impregnable stronghold vs lands given to him by the king that likes him today and doesn't tomorrow. Sounds reasonable tbh", "That would be the best shit. I would watch the ever loving shit out of an Eric Northman prequel series.", "I'm Norwegian and think it's weird as fuck they chose a black woman to portray a man named Haakon from the viking age. I wouldn't mind them casting a black man, even though it would still feel weird, but a black woman literally makes no sense.\n\nIt very clearly feels like nothing more than \"social pressure demands more multi cultural women in acting roles\", which I support wholeheartedly, but find actual fitting roles for women; don't throw them into roles that make no sense whatsoever.\n\nThey're portraying part of my history, and for that portrayal to be influenced by modern social demands feels weird and out of place. At least make an effort to be true to source material, even though it's fiction.\n\nAnd to address your argument about English speaking actors that you've brought up in several comments: I don't give a shit if they speak English. Even though it's my second language, it's so ingrained in me that it's totally automatic and I don't pay attention to the language switch at all. If there's suddenly a black woman with the name Haakon on screen in the series about the Viking age that I'm watching, you bet I will notice.\n\nBesides, the majority of networks that can afford a big budget production are American, and so are the actors.", "I was gonna watch this no matter what, given how good the witch and the lighthouse were. It's a huge bonus that this also looks ridiculously bad ass.", "Is this techno viking's origin story?", "Forever my Viking ❤️", "I wonder what it could imply", "Hahahahah were the LUTs and filters on sale from the other 5-6 shows/movies that have this same look?\nDamnnnn", "Oh sweet, a remake of Dune staring the Qanon Shaman", "Getting \"Green Knight\" vibes off this - hopefully it won't be a boring slog.", "You should watch Robert Eggers other movies.", "Abs of steel", "So…the LionKing?", "Dime a dozen show really.", "I will be shocked if Nicole Kidman's character isn't evil and doesn't conspire with the bad guy to kill the king.", "Oh...so a succession revenge movie. Blah.", "Lmao, wtf is this the sequel for \"The Witch\"? Seems they didn't even bother to change the chick's clothes.", "Every time I see Sam Elliot without a mustache, I feel like I'm living in a \"Mandela Effect\" universe, where everything I've ever known is just slightly incorrect.\n\nLuckily, we have Tombstone, and I can always get back to center. But it's damn close, every time.", "Vinland Saga is really a political thriller. It just so happens that back in the time of the vikings, politics involved a lot of battles and beheadings... I think. At least, that's what modern depictions of the vikings would have us believe.\n\nPeople expecting more of season 1 in season 2 are going to be a little disappointed but I personally think it's a more interesting story.", "LOL", "Norseman?", "Saw this in an advance screening earlier this year, and I can definitely recommend seeing it.", "Conan from a viking perspective?", "\"The Comcast company \" made me close the video\n\nFuck that company", "!remindme 123 days", "No camel punching then, I'm already disappointed.", "I knew within 5 seconds of the trailer this had the same director as The Lighthouse. It was the camera panning and then William Dafoe showed up.", "wasn’t the rest of the trailer literally just him repeating that he’s gonna avenge the death of his father", "There is something disappointing about seeing the father get hit and killed, seeing who his mystery attacker is as the uncle takes off the helmet, seeing the boy flee and turn into an adult, and repeating the mantra of the plotline throughout the trailer.\n\nThey could show us the boy/man's journey and convey the family connections without literally chanting it several times during the trailer.\n\nThe setting looks insane, the actors are all well-renowned, the fight scenes look very fun. But this trailer revealed more than necessary plot-wise, when all these other factors will hook us in no problem.", "Ragnar was and still is extremely common in Scandinavia, so no it's not one of those situations.", "All this time and techno viking's identity is still a mystery. I have to know", "(Wilhelm Screams in terror)", "Bebbanburg is one heck of a stronghold. Hold that and it doesn't matter who's king. The control of the surrounding lands trumps some farmlands any day.", "Well there’s like 10 of them, most of whom are pretty talented. So the odds are kind of in their favor in the Hollywood pool.", "Skal", "i was waiting for it the whole time, i'm pleasantly surprised", "Lmao I thought this was a mod showcase video for skyrim", "I tried to convince my wife to name my son stygmar thunderback, but she didn’t go for it….. hmm wonder why", "We need more Vikings built like 21st century fitness models", "Bjork is playing herself I see.", "You said vvitch though?", "I liked the show overall, but there are just soooo many unnecessary anachronisms that could’ve been avoided with some costuming changes that they obviously had the budget for", "Should be a bit different from Hamlet since it's based on Saxo's Amleth which Hamlet is also based on.", "cool another trailer that explains the whole plot of the film :\|", "I liked it overall, but there were a ton of anachronisms that were unnecessarily immersion ruining that they really didn’t have to throw in. Especially in the costuming.", "Meet Netflix Valhalla's Jarl Haakon: https://imgur.com/anwKGZK.jpg", "Hot wife though", "Oh can you imagine. They have some character you really love, a big dude. Is on the show however long it lasts…. Then ends up being the guy on the bridge holding off the whole Anglo Saxon army", "Sure but it's the same either way. As in it's odd both ways.", "> techno viking's identity\n\nedit: ~~https://www.onlytechno.net/news/techno-viking-today-photo/~~", "I keep trying to rewind to that.", "Starring Lagnar Rothbrok", "FUTURE SAILERS.", "Wait so he's called Hamlet because it's an anagram of Amleth? What a hilariously mundane detail that I suppose makes sense but feels strange coming from someone like Shakespeare.", "Wokeism meets snowflake. Hilarity ensues", "Gotta be honest, I read his comment, and then I did not watch the trailer", "Honestly, it was like a decade before I heard it actually pronounced so I always thought it was that.", "All the Edwards, Johns, and Pauls throughout history.", "Does that valkyrie have dental braces?", "Bjork is in it? Aight imma see it", "Really wish we could go back to trailers that don't show you the entire fucking movie. Like, what the hell? Trailers should tease the concept, not reveal every plot point.", "but I don't know how he'll do in the funny comic relief Thor that Chris has become.", "I thought the thumbnail was a screenshot from Skyrim", "https://twitter.com/MisterABK/status/1346764056284151809", "So what are you trying to say ?", "I didn't hear any sonic boom in this so I'm gonna guess it's not.", "I guess I’m just not as nit-picky lol.", "Hey!", "I had high hopes, but was pretty disappointed. I'm sure having some more knowledge of the legends of king Arthur would have helped, but dear me I was just so bored throughout. It has some great scenes though.\n\nAnyway, maybe the Avengers movies have ruined my tastes, maybe it's just not that good.", "Damn he'll give Daenerys a run for her money by the time the show ends", "Which show is this?", "This is a classic example of a movie trailer that took 0 effort. Gives the entire story away, just maybe leaves the ending (where we know the good guy is gonna win). They show way too much.", "> They're the new zombies lol.\n\nWhat was it before zombies I wonder? I can't remember.", "Different genre 🥵", "Movie length GoT", "Its viking hamlet. The director has already said so himself. So yeah we can already guess pretty hard what direction the film is going to take.", "You lost me at “a comcast company”", "While that would be shit, there is evidence of people of different cultures in viking times. \n\n[In 2020, results from the examination of DNA from over 400 skeletons in Viking graves were published. These Vikings had genes originating in both Southern Europe and Asia, and this indicates that during the Viking Age there was immigration to Scandinavia from the south and east. The results show immigration from Denmark to England, from Norway to Ireland, Iceland and Greenland, and immigration from Sweden to the Baltic countries. The results suggest that some Vikings were blonde and others had dark or brown hair.](https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking)\n\nI couldn't be bothered doing the translation myself, it's late, but it seems allright.", "I finished reading the \"saga of the volsungs\" about a month ago, now that would make one hell of a miniseries. Had something like this trailer in my head when I read it.", "RIP Hagman", "Fair! It just felt like they put a ton of effort into making it look and feel like the time period and people it’s supposed to depict, then just did stuff like give some characters professional standing armies and silly helmets and 19th century costumes.", "That's norwegian, you heretic. The ad is danish", "there probably is tbh. Lots of micro breweries in Norway.", "Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.", "Viking version of Gladiator is what I get from the trailer. He will have his vengeance!", "I think a mead would be more fitting.", "I've read that but I thought that I remembered reading that it wasn't real. Cool if it is", "CK3 867 Start: The Movie", "I spent more time than I care to admit wondering whether Defoe ever said \"Bubblygrumpy\" in that film, and if so, why.", "Ragnar rocks!", "I was secretly hoping for another season of NorsemEn 🥲", "True blood spin off?", "Hope it's not a whisper fest movie where you need subtitles even though I have zero hearing challenges and am native to the movie's language.", "DIGITAL STOWAWAY", "ctrl+f \"vinland saga\" \n\n\nI couldn't been the only one", ">And ~~kinship~~ hygge for everyone\n\nFTFY", "But also, yes.", "TIL Floki, Tarzan & Pennywise are all the sons of Baron Harkonnen...wtf?", "oooOOOOooaaaaAaAaAaAooo", "Everyone always forgets George.", "Fun fact: If you move the \"h\" in Amleth to the front, it'll spell Hamlet. \n\nYou're welcome for the mind orgasm I just gave you all.", "I legit thought this was a True Blood prequel. I kept waiting for the vampires.", "Would be difficult to find someone to play Thorfinn that won't end up a meme like Hayden Christensen as Anakin.", "[ Jump to 02:09 @* THE NORTHMAN - Official Trailer - In Theaters April 22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m9s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Focus Features, Video Length: [02:44])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m4s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Another Skarsgård Viking! :D", "This is the first time I have been excited about a viking movie since The Thirteenth Warrior.", "Almost convinced my wife to name a son (if we had one which we don’t) Smithen Wesson. I cracked just before the birth and we had all girls anyway", "Conan the Barbarian. But at 10 degrees.. nice", "CYBORG SEA DOG TELL ME WHAT YOU DREAM OF", "Not a comedy!", "Now is this an original movie? By god man...I've been waiting for a non sequel non superhero franchise movie for some time!", "The northmen weren’t a singular people in the viking age. The Danes, Norwegians and Swedes are different to this day.\n\nThe migration from south and the east is pre iron-age. It has nothing to do with the cultures of the time. And yes vikings had different hair colours. We native Scandi’s are not all blonde and blue eyed.", "Yes, Beeeeel?", "Conan the Viking", "No, but he’d hang dong.", "Goodness!!!\n\nIt’s been a long time since a medieval period movie got me this excited.", "Why'd y'spill yer beans", "Right? I don't think the witch trailer included the crow scene", "See on the one hand I have no issue with multicultural Vikings (they're not something sacred lol) but Netflix doesn't have the best track record for quality so I wouldn't hold my breath.", "Recently? He never stopped killing it.", "Can't trust Nicole, she was in on the murder of his father.", "Directed by Robert Eggers, I’m watching", "Had me at Robert Eggers. Dude is batting \n1.000", "No he's talking about True Blood, the tv-series where Skarsgård is playing a viking who became a vampire. His name was Northman.", "I genuinely thought the thumbnail was a modded skyrim and that this was going to be some fan made thing.", "George is gettin' upset!", "Amleth", "Some of these comments make me hate most movie goers.\n\n\"It's not realistic\"\n\n\"We've seen this before\"\n\n\"You can't catch a spear like that\"\n\nGreat, then don't go see it. Holy fuck, it's a fictional movie. Goddamn I bet you are a total blast at Christmas parties.", ">If this is the only argument you have then it's a very weak one.\n\nIt is not, and as far as arguments go, it was pretty low effort.\n\nAs it turns out, using a dead language is not actually [unheard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ) of in [film](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_King:_Birth_of_an_Empire). However, I can accept that it is perhaps unrealistic for film or television productions to adapt languages that are largely unspoken -- at least to any kind of scale. \n\nHowever, the question is more of a general one to gauge you feel about other types of historical \"inaccuracies\" (said in quotes because this conversation started on a work of fiction). Would you also find yourself objecting similarly to the 2019 historical drama [Chernobyl](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_(miniseries\\)), which features a mostly English cast -- speaking English -- in Soviet Ukraine? Maybe you would just object to Emily Watson's character, which is an amalgamation of lots of different real people? What about the 2008 film [Valkyrie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_(film\\)), featuring Tom Cruise in Nazi Germany? Maybe you have an objection to the 1998 adaptation of Victor Hugo's novel [Les Misérables](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables_(1998_film\\)), which also features an English cast in 18th century France? Although for that one, you would probably have to object to the musical as well. \n\nMaybe it might be better to accept that when various cultures are going to adapt works primarily for their audiences, they are likely going to make changes based on preferences, needs, and conveniences of the era in which the adaptations occur? Yes, the language might change -- just like events might be altered, a gender might be swapped, or you might even end up with an actor playing a character despite not sharing skin color, ethnicity, or national origin. I think this is even more acceptable when the work isn't even pretending to be historically accurate.\n\nIt's fine to get annoyed that there are historical accuracies. However, as I said, it's fairly telling when one is vehemently objecting only to changes in skin color or gender, despite other rather obvious and superficial changes.", "In French, the letter W is pronounced doo-bluh-vay, literally meaning double-v.", "Yes! Sjón, the co-writer of this also has collaborated with Björk on many song lyrics.", "I thought this was the Techno Viking movie by the thumbnail.", "Turkey Basterson", "Can't have a viking movie without a skarsgard in it.", ">I'm Norwegian and think it's weird as fuck they chose a black woman to portray a man named Haakon from the viking age.\n\nI am American and I don't think it's weird as fuck. After all, they are not portraying a historical figure -- they are portraying a fictional character that shares the same name.\n\n>I wouldn't mind them casting a black man, even though it would still feel weird, but a black woman literally makes no sense.\n\nI suppose this would make sense if they were actually shooting for some kind of authenticity, but they clearly are not.\n\n>it's so ingrained in me that it's totally automatic and I don't pay attention to the language switch at all. If there's suddenly a black woman with the name Haakon on screen in the series about the Viking age that I'm watching, you bet I will notice.\n\nIf that is really how you are going to measure it, it sounds like all you need are more black women in your historical drama films.", "nuttin b'y", "I'm getting strong Vinland Saga vibes", "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.", "It’s Eggers, I imagine it’ll make sense and be period appropriate", "> objecting only to changes in skin color or gender\n\nI've been complaining about their clothing as well in this very thread. Since you gleam so much of my grievance with a female character literally playing a man with a man's name, what do you gleam from me complaining about the costumes? This argument about the English language being spoken is moronic and I'm not even going to humor it any further. What I will say is that cultural accuracy matters. Shaka Zulu or Mansa Musa shouldn't be played by a white man. He never would because that would universally be agreed to be distasteful. With the Norse however, the consensus is different simply because they're white and people like you see no problem with it in that case.", "I’ll be watching for Anya Taylor Joy. She’s must watch after Queens Gambit for me.", "LOL this god me good lmao", "Why? Bc of the hidden kid thing? Or am I missing something else?", "I'm offended.", "Can't wait for that.", "[it’s from Ace Ventura](https://youtu.be/fIzRQew22qw)", ">It's one of the traditional male royal names in Norway and they see no problem with a black woman in the show having it.\n\nOh no the sacrilege...\n\nIt's always tough to get into Viking related stuff because it tends to attract a particular kind of enthusiast.", "LOL it’s been a while since I’ve seen it, thanks haha", "Shit you beat me to it. This is obviously Matsson and GoJo origin story", "As sung by Bjork.", "The life of Eric Northman", "Did that girl have braces?", "So glad to see him recommended. He's awesome.", "Mother looks like she might be in on the dirty deed", "he really didn't need to go as hard as he did for an mcu movie, but he did", "I'm confused..is this a fantasy movie...or a history movie? I don't see any monsters, magic...etc...", ">Absolutely. The plot is important and if you can't understand what they are saying, then you can't understand anything.\n\nSubtitles.\n\n>They could film in any language, it doesn't matter to me as long as I can understand the plot. Changing skin color does not help clarify the plot, it only destroys immersion in historical films.\n\nWhy are you hanging your hat on clarifying the plot? I was asking why you do not object to inaccuracies around language, but do around skin color or gender. Lots of things in a film are not there to \"help clarify the plot\". \n\n>If you want to do a fantasy historical setting, fine, but most of these films are not trying to be high fantasy so it stands out jarringly.\n\nGreat, and I am talking about [historical fiction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_fiction). The concept alone suggests there is going to be any level of inaccuracies, yet you get hung up on skin color and gender, of all things.\n\n>If directors actually cared about diversity, they would make films about African history. \n\nSo diversity can only be expressed when films about African history are made? \n\n>It's political BS, not an artistic decision.\n\nAgain, it isn't political -- it's a decision a private organization is making because they feel there are implications to their business if they do not do such things. So, it's actually business, not politics.", "[Historical fiction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_fiction) \n \n >Historical fiction is a literary genre in which the plot takes place in a setting located in the past. Although the term is commonly used as a synonym for the historical romance, it can also be applied to other types of narrative, including theatre, opera, cinema, and television, as well as video games and graphic novels. An essential element of historical fiction is that it is set in the past and pays attention to the manners, social conditions and other details of the depicted period.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Lol I can hear it now", "r/unexpectedIASIP", "The got a fuckload of awards for that movie", "Nah too serious and lanky\n\nThe face doesnt work", "This is the first modified lighthouse line on Northman threads that’s made me laugh", "It's not about sacrilege, I know guys named Haakon. It's impossible to take seriously. I don't care if moronic Americans associate Nordic culture with left or right wing politics, you can all fuck off and leave us alone for all I care.", "Liked the subtle beast roar at 10 seconds in. First heard that one in Diablo 2 in 2000 cutting down a Goatman.", "Anna doesnt fit at all, she's way too pretty and looks way too clean compared to everyone around her", "Yo.. that one chick got braces.", "Skyrim?", "You were this close to being cool, such a shame", "Hey Caroline Henderson is Nordic from her Bio. Hell she's Danish/Swedish that's like SUPER Nordic.\n\nFrankly I feel you are the ones trying to put your politics into it.\n\nCongrats on knowing a guy!", "True blood", ">I've been complaining about their clothing as well in this very thread. Since you gleam so much of my grievance with a female character literally playing a man with a man's name, what do you gleam from me complaining about the costumes?\n\nYou complained about \"biker clothing\" on a show that isn't actually using it. If this is the only argument you have, it's a very weak one.\n\n>This argument about the English language being spoken is moronic and I'm not even going to humor it any further. \n\nYou barley even humored it to begin with (which is fair since there initially wasn't much of an argument. You thought you had an easy out, and then I clarified, and now your response is \"you're too stupid so I'm not going to respond!\" Right, okay kid.\n\n>What I will say is that cultural accuracy matters.\n\nTo an extent I agree, but it's bizarre that you would not extend this to language -- and apparently you think that the suggestion that you do is so stupid that you can't even find the energy to share your thoughts on it further.\n\n>Shaka Zulu or Mansa Musa shouldn't be played by a white man.\n\nI agree.\n\n>With the Norse however, the consensus is different simply because they're white and people like you see no problem with it in that case.\n\nIt actually is not simple at all, but at this point I do not actually get the impression that you give a shit about it -- you've distilled it down to something easy enough for you to dismiss. And since my arguments are too stupid for you, I don't really see any need to expand upon this whatsoever.", "Lord of Bebbanberg and Ealdorman of Northumbria", "Bugger off, vikings is an amazing show, and I'll challenge anyone in the name of Ragnar who says otherwise", "I rewatched that part a few times bc I thought \"surely they wouldn't have such a shark-jumping ridiculous feat like that\" \n\nI dont know how to put it into words... it jarred me from the tone of the movie in a way?\n\nThe physics in this movie look pretty dumb.", "So, like, season 2?", "That and The Lighthouse \n\nThis dude loves to tickle your balls with hints of magic and powerful spirits and then goes all out in the last 15 minutes.", "It's a majestic film that is best seen in theaters or large screen with good audio. It's not an action movie.", "Because this story is a saga that inspired Hamlet which inspired all those other stories.", "Have you seen the tv show Vikings?", "Do they sing Hakuna Matata though?", "Is he your celebrity cheat fantasy? Like if you could sleep with one celebrity in the world consequence free, he is your pick right? Or you just content to eye fuck him over breakfast?", "Stfu", "Aye and it be somethin I wish", "[Amleth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth)\n\nAmleth is a figure in a medieval Scandinavian legend, the direct inspiration of the character of Prince Hamlet, the hero of William Shakespeare's tragedy Hamlet, Prince of Denmark.\n\n(..) Amleth’s story is also being adapted into the film The Northman, directed by the American director Robert Eggers who also co-writes the script with Icelandic author Sjón.", "[Amleth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth) \n \n >Amleth (Latinized Amlethus, Old Icelandic Amlóði) is a figure in a medieval Scandinavian legend, the direct inspiration of the character of Prince Hamlet, the hero of William Shakespeare's tragedy Hamlet, Prince of Denmark. The chief authority for the legend of Amleth is Saxo Grammaticus, who devotes to it parts of the third and fourth books of his Gesta Danorum, completed at the beginning of the 13th century. Saxo's version is similar to the one in the 12th-century Chronicon Lethrense. In both versions, prince Amleth (Amblothæ) is the son of Horvendill (Orwendel), king of the Jutes.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Yes, I am aware. I was proposing an alternative.", "Writers: \"Quick! Write that down!”", "\"I love...LOVE moist towelettes!\"", "It's a unisex name", "Nah I think he was talking about the stand. Makes no sense, but I agree with him.", "The Vinland Saga live action adoption looks great!", "went and watch Midsommar without knowing anything and boy was it an experience.", "I tried this show, but I didn't care for it. I got bored really quickly. The characters were dry as chalk, and all of them the same as each other. The only schtick they had (so far as I watched it, which admittedly wasn't very long) was to do horrible gruesome or ridiculous things so they could make a big show about acting like it was entirely normal. It was funny once or twice, but then it got old.", "Yep, or toss a salad!", "Looks like Vikings by Wish", "He also had a son called Hamnet who died a few years before he started working on Hamlet", "Ragnar Ragnarsonson", "I think he should just talk to his uncle and let him know that fratricide is not OK.", "so they had braces back then to make their teeth perfect I guess?", "So are they just gonna copy and paste the intro to Assassins Creed: Valhalla?", "Technically you could reduce any movie down to the same basic plot arc(s) befitting their genre.", "I think it’s more likely that it happens like 15 minutes in so it’s not a very big spoiler", "That looks insane. Like a thin vengeance plot and heavy visceral and graphic violence.\n\nHonestly I'm all for it, need a thrill ride.", "Historical Movies/series are my favorites , i cannot wait to see this one , i hope its brutal and inpactfull .", "What's the problem?\n\nA Nordic Actress ([Caroline Henderson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Henderson_\$singer\$)) is playing a fictional Nordic Character?\n\nFrankly I see no issue here.", "I not exactly complaining but damn they're the new Baldwin's", "YES YES YES I'M SO FUCKIN STOKED FOR THIS MOVIE. EGGERS IS SUCH AN AMAZING DIRECTOR I'M FUCKIN PUUUUUMPED", "Why'd ya spill yer beans?", "I'd actually love to hear you continue your train of thought with this. Elaborate.", "Oo! I watched Witch back in October and loved it. Gonna have to check out Lighthouse.", "Chris seems fine hanging dong: https://youtu.be/QISnfCs3eZ0", "One day there will be a immersive virtual experience of this exact encounter. I will buy it and enjoy", "Björk out here lookin like Yzma from Emperor's New Groove", "I also think white people shouldn't play other ethnicities. Fair?", "So it's basically Conan the Barbarian.", "So... Braveheart 14?", "That’s not hanging dong. He’s still got boxers on. You only see the hog in the brush, not a clear shot (also no way to confirms that’s real). Now Skarsgård hangs full dong in true blood.", "This looks bad.", "It was actually Eggers’ choice in the double v\n\nhttps://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3592874/robert-eggers-sets-record-straight-witch-vs-vvitch/", "Nice", "Green screen you mean.", "It’s my head cannon that this happens and unless he dies in the movie it can fit.", "Northman refrigeration", "applies lipstick", "Ha! I should add that to my list, I did as well.", "WTF is this shit?\n\nHow is this not SPAM?", "That’d be an awesome extra or blooper to include.", "story is same as Vinland saga", "Just curious, Where has that happened?", "Oh that would be so cool. It’s begging for a movie adaptation.", "Well, this looks pretty fucking awesome.", "He was amazing in the new Spider-Man. It was great to see him return as green goblin.", "Conan Conansson the Barbarian", "Bebbanburg is mine.", "still the best part of the movie, which says something about dafoe and the screenplay", "You had me at “Focus”\n\nFUS-RO-DAH!!!", "Anya Taylor-Joy is literally in everything", "Will be Tor instead!", "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie?\n\nI, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.\n\nThe subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;\n\nRush in and die, dogs—I was a man before I was a king.", "I can't believe that this comment took awhile to fine. Literally watched this trailer and was like \"so this is basically Valhalla\" . I mean it looks better and I can't wait but ...come on...like legit same opening short of mom dying too from the looks of it", "Now that I've seen the whole movie in the previews...", "Ringo too :(", "Was the Seer the lady from die antwoord?", "Those aren't modern braces. Someone screenshotted it in the thread below. It's eiyher markings, ornaments, carvings, or some other such thing but not modern braces.", "Smith Wesson would have been pretty badass and a decent name.", "I thinks it’s a hamlet adeptation.", "They’re currently nguyen the war of names.", "Season one Floki was just so fucking scary. Too bad they didn’t know what to do with him in later seasons.", "You’re probably correct; I’m just speculating, as that shot is so different from the rest of trailer. Is it something supernatural, or maybe a vision? \n\nFind out next time, on The Northman!", "Don't you understand!?\n\nIt's about EtHiCS in GaMInG JOuR-NOrSE FanTASy sHOws!", "Nah king, Robert said himself that it's just the Tale of Amleth and he's directly stated he won't do a movie in a modern period bc it has no interest to him", "The thumbnail pic looks like a new modded Skyrim giant standing at the entrance to whiterun lol", "I legit thought it was a movie based off the game, the plots are almost identical! If this wasn't planned then it's definitely some sort of plagiarism, I mean he even catches a spear and throws it back..", "Assickle", "It was really good in the first couple of seasons. But it got progressively worse.", "Is this an unofficial true blood prequel?", "I thought the exact same thing hahaha. I'm down to watch live action Thorfinn. I bet the actual movie gets gruesome levels of gore. Hopefully Thorkell gets his fingers chopped off and laughs about it.", "Oooh interesting. It does look like pops dies two different ways", "True. Though I mean the whole idea of a \"prince\" coming back to take revenge on the man who killed his perfectly loving father and village is such a common storyline when it times to period pieces with male leads, especially vikings. But the spear thing is laughable due to the similarity", "So did Galadriel become a viking after she left middle earth?", "The Odin of codin", "That looks look like a happy wee tale.\n\nJust the thing for my 6yo to watch with me on a Sunday afternoon. \n\nWe'll feast on animal crackers and juice!", "I just like how I said \"Scandinavian Hamlet\" when the trailer ended, then remembered Hamlet is a Scandinavian, Danish.", "Lmao", "NORMANS ON SABBATICAL, HONEEEY.\n\ngod damn he was so fucking epic", "Filming of the 5th and final season of [The Last Kingdom](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxPApTGWwas) wrapped in June 2021. While previous seasons dropped in November of a year, Netflix has not announced the season 5 release date. People are expecting anywhere from spring to autumn 2022. \n\nSeason 5 is drawing from books 10 and 11 of Bernard Cornwell's The Saxon Stories* series. There are only two books after that.\n\nProduction begins in 2022 on a feature film, Seven Kings Must Die.", "Enjoy! (I hope so lol)", "Sounds like norse men with a lisp", "Less fun fact - while some of the runes/letters used in the title are accurate, others are actually made up to look like English. \n\nHowever, for no reason other than lack of research, the H is upside down. They could have easily used a proper runic H, just seems lazy. \n\nhttps://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://i.pinimg.com/474x/c0/ff/f1/c0fff16a559d90753c967518d066484c--rune-alphabet-pagan-art.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/275282595949965665/&tbnid=MOXig8Y6IMA1nM&vet=1&docid=EDsEd9HQbPuoZM&w=393&h=271&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh/x/im\nDecent alphabet for anyone interested in proper runes (:", "It's a movie about barbarians where the main character, as a boy, watches his father die in the first scene. Any fan of action movies knows exactly what is going to happen and will watch it unfold with glee.", "Eric Northman?", "Also no color grading or lighting, everything grey.", "I watched What we do in the shadows knowing only that my friend had laughed out loud when seeing it. That was a really pleasant experience! Afterwards I recommended it to everyone and told them not to look it up before-hand. I hope someone listened.", "Lol", "Yes yes, you're a Lebowski, I'm a Lebowski.", "Wow, banner lord look sick!", "We wuz vikangz n sheeit", "I wish for once there was a viking movie that didn't show everything as grey, brown, and decrepit. Swedes don't melt in the summer you know.", "So he went from Eric Northman to The Northman.\n\nThat's range.", "Bjork?", "It worked on me.", "Shes very white, seems right.\n\nI havent seen many of her movies tbh though, no idea what her range is like. She does stand out to me more than the other actors though in terms of \"look who it is!\".", "Also Anya Taylor-Joy. I’m glad she’s in this!", "I like this version of Tarzan better", "and danheim", "When I see the word Comcast, I’m too turned off to continue.", "This trailer felt like it took a lot from that show. The last kingdom. Great show. Movie looks good also!", "I just want a new setting. Too much viking stuff lately.", "Pretty sure they did that to avoid confusion with N.", "Didn’t know Vikings spoke English.", "Lion King, Scandinavian Edition", "Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish", "Thank you for taking the time to actually address the arguments. You spelled it out perfectly. Simply, \"Subtitles\" as if there isn't a large portion of the population that can't enjoy media with subtitles. I'll always (at least try to) watch a show/movie in whatever language it was written, and use subtitles if it's not English. But is it really that hard to understand that needing to read dialogue in media that contains audio ruins the experience for some people?", "yes, arguably it beats out the shark vagina mermaid", "Oh also pretty funny how the WikiSummarizerBot kinda contradicted his point about historical fiction lol", "Funny how the WikiSummarizerBot contradicts your point on historical fiction. \"An essential element of historical fiction is that it is set in the past and pays attention to the manners, social conditions and other details of the depicted period.\" Emphasis mine.\n\nAlso, is it that difficult to understand that reading dialogue ruins the experience for some people? Not for me, but it's incredibly easy for me to understand that point of view.", "Even the best writer/directors in the world always put out a turd eventually. I'd give it the benefit of the doubt based on his history but you have to be honest, going by the trailer it looks like a story we've seen a thousand times (you killed my father so i will grow up, train hard and seek vengeance) in a setting that quite frankly is wildly over used and rarely depicted realistically. You cant blame people for being a bit cynical.", "Interesting to see the vikings were so good at dentistry that lady at 2.09 is 100% wearing braces", "bjork plays the boat in this movie.", "I was going to say it looks very stylized but now that I connected the dots on the director I’m surprised but also not surprised. This ought to be good.", "The Sons of Ikea", "I've been making a mead called Valhalla Vanilla since the late 90s. Does that count?", "It’s impossible for me to take any Viking story seriously after watching Norsemen, I’m sorry", "[Relevant](https://youtu.be/FqgRC5sfCaQ)", "Haaaaaark spit", "The main character is Amleth. This is a retelling of the Viking story that became Hamlet.", "I'll buy it.", "nah, it's Gustavus Adolphus before the glow up.", "Have. Not had. Have.", "How about that hippy who quotes Morrissey in Parks and Rec?", "Viking shit is so hot right now huh", "What does \"pulling a Scorsese/deniro\" mean?", "Are you making this up?", "Uhtred the Wicked, according to the priests of the nailed god.", "When you watch the trailer and instantly know that the film is not made by Netflix. Rare one.", "Lol I forgot his name was actually Northman.", "I'm only now finding out I've been saying it wrong.", "Absolutely dreading the Amazon LOTR series...", "Pretty much all movie cameras are focused by hand.", "Time to play Crusader Kings again.", "Let me guess, Harald is gonna be a black pansexual enby who learns through the power of praxis that the real enemy are hierarchical power structures.", "How cool would it be if this was the origin story of Eric Northman from True Blood.", "I thought this was a trailer for Gladiator 2!!", "Does anybody else remember when Bill Skarsgard was supposed to be in this with close to top billing? What happened with that?", "AH^^aaaaaaa ^aaaaaaaaah", "Same", "Vikings Valhalla\n\nShow sequel to Vikings", "Feels like assassin creed valhalla", "Looks good. I hope he brings something different to the table. I'm a bit oversaturated by Vikings, The Last Kingdom, Valhalla etc. The Lighthouse is one of my favourite films so I'm hopeful.", "Wow, zero \"black vikings\" or \"mysterious asian sorcerers\". What's going on?", "It's going to be a nightmare and I'm staying well away from it. They already ruined Tom Clancy.", "Damn, they really went some type of direction with that Lion King remake.\n\nJokes aside, looks dope.", "If there ever was any integrity in those, it's been lost a long time ago. It's just a way for selected members of the Hollywood elite to enjoy gratuities from the studios and those studios to gain another marketing angle.\n\nMost people know this too and those award shows are increasingly facing the Stark reality that the venn diagram of those willing to spend multiple hours on watching it and that have read enough to know how rigged they are are near fully overlapping.", "Oh my god! I'm so excited for this! Looks amazing!", "The Sheriff of Area 5 Louisiana fulfilling his destiny.", "Yes and the Witch looks very different from this one. I can already tell from the trailer that it isn't really staying true to what we know about the Vikings, whereas the Witch is very realistic in setting, speech, costume, buildings, and also stays very close to what we know people thought of the supernatural in that time and place.", "I wouldn't mind token ethnicities. What are you looking for, realism!? This shit is about as realistic as Donald fucking Duck.", "And Shakespeare's son who died young was called Hamnet.", "That's right, you're American and you don't have any sort of connection to our history. I bet there's a lot of Americans who would have a reaction if a black woman portrayed Abraham Lincoln, or Native Americans would wonder about a black woman portraying Sitting Bull.\n\nAnd I figured you would spin it that way with the language thing \"oh it's just a getting used to it thing\". Just no, that has nothing to do with it.\n\nEnglish production and actors is expected from a big production. Anything else just isn't feasible in most cases. A black woman playing a historical white male isn't expected and is not needed either, and will always garner reactions.\n\nIn the end of the day, I support more female leads and diversity in movies/series, but I will never not think a Viking jarl named Haakon being portrayed by a black woman is weird.", "Now your just making yourself and the discussion dumb.", "What is this fucking Lion King or something?", "Saaame", "You say that, but I'm preeeeetty sure I know the major plot points now.", "The rightful heir of Bebenbuuh?", "Mostly old men though. I have never met a Ragnar below 40.", "Yeah I also see no issue letting this [African](https://imgur.com/t/elon_musk/9iqfiH1) play Martin Luther King in the next movie", "The entire comment section is just people not realizing that there are a lot of movies that share the same premise which originated hundred of years ago and ever since has been used in literature.", "What the actual fuck. That makes absolutely zero sense.", "I'm watching this for Björk.", "Is this font related to Norse mythology. Appears in GOW series", "That's one star studded cast of people to die in the first act.", "at 02:09 is she/he wearing braces???", "He's also the only one without an over the top \"Nordic\" English accent. I'm so tired of those pronounced rolling \"r\"s from actors trying to sound Nordic.\n\nTake a hint from the Swede, damn it.", "I felt bad cos she really thought it was great but I couldn’t let my kid grow up with a joke name. Be a nightmare to spell and shit for their documents etc", "Im kind of annoyed that they shot the whole movie in IReland but nothing in ICeland, even though its set in Iceland. \n \n \nEdit* you know what, i think Wikipedia might be wrong. \n \nI'm pumped either way", "Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred son of Uhtred", "I like the action movies always", "Why does every trailer have to have a trailer before the trailer?", "There are dozens of us! LOL!", "Nicole Kidman uses so much bottox that you can´t find a facial expression anymore", "The thumb nail image made me think this was a trailer for a video game.", "Vinland Saga the movie. Nice.", "No?", "It's literally Hamlet", "Well yes but it's also an adaptation of Amleth/Hamlet which kinda does go like that", "meh.\n\nif this isnt R18 its going to be shit", "Was excited for this... kind of looks like a mess honestly, maybe it's just the trailer?", "Did you spot him in the trailer at all? I'm not sure if I'm blind, he's a chameleon, or he just wasn't in it.", "This trailer spoils the movie, imo.", "Still a trend in some places!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrbcbayW8Q", "[Thorkell is a beast!](https://youtu.be/9EY9xgtV3o8?t=32)", "Relevant - teeth sharpening in pigmy tribes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrbcbayW8Q", ">wheres the diversity? too many white people where are the poc or the lgbt people? /s\n\nI spent the whole trailer waiting for the black female viking but none appeared. This movie might actually be good and not another woke crap, this could be a miracle.", "Which one are you talking about? The parent comment lists so many :D\n\nGustav (Floki in vikings) had a role in Westworld season 2 and had a flawless American accent in there. Not even a hint of nordic. It really threw me off at first!", "Yeah. Imagine during medieval times Spain full of north Africans or central Europe being invaded by central Asians. what a stupid Migration Period", "But they aren't a studio, they're distributors and sometimes producing the films. They do select good films though.", "Hm I wonder what its about", "I did. I looked her straight in the eyes, and I told her:\n\nVViiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!", "This looks cool, but Can't wait For Elden Ring.", "Hello, good hunter. I am a Bot, here in this dream to look after you, this is a fine note:\n\n> “Hello there. Forgive me. I was just pondering about my poor fortune. I did not find my own sun, not in Anor Londo.” - Solaire of Astora\n\nHave a good one and praise the sun \\\\[T]/", "Then who was phone????", "Looks sick for a Fantasy series, at least better than vikings", "Thank goodness for these lil' 5 second 'pre-trailers' to help me identify movies I'm not interested in.", "People are making movies again, not just film adaptations of Twitter threads", "They're making actually good movies again", "Let’s hope!", "White people exist. It's shocking I know", "Why am I drawing a blank on this. Is it pearl harbor?", "So I'm no expert - but any native Nordic folk confirm the quality of the accents? I always think Scandiwegian accents are difficult to get right for a non-native speaker.", "Ooh good one, I didn't know MLK was a fictional character.\n\nBut at the same time judging by the way racists have a weird fetish for Viking related things... Yeah I really don't think you have any problem with Elon being MLK.", "My favorite Scottish indie synth pop band is Chu-vurches", "I just wanted to see more Björk.", "ok now re-cut the trailer as if it's an A24 movie!", "“You know….I’m somewhat of Viking myself”", "I think he could, he did it in true blood aswell", "Could you give an example?", "I know, i'm norwegian myself. The point was that migrations have happened all throughout history, and with the extensive travels of the vikings, it's likely they brought back peoples from where they went. \n\nWe know they travelled to the Mediterranean at times, which had been a much traveled sea for a millennia prior to this, with peoples from the various parts of the roman empire moving about, as well as down eastern europe to the black sea, which also had a number of different peoples on it's shores. \n\nWhile black women kings named haakon is way too far out there, the population was probably far less homogeneous than what we think about.", "Floki has a really exaggerated Swenglish accent. No actual Swede under the age of 60 actually sounds like that.", "Sorry, I'm talking about the trailer! All non Nordic actors have this exaggerated accent.\n\nFloki had it as well which always bothered me. You should know better Gustav!", "Ooh good one, I didn't know [Jarl Haakon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haakon_Sigurdsson) was a fictional character.\n\nBut at the same time judging by the way racists have a weird fetish for blackwashing the european Middle Ages related things... Yeah I really don't think you have any problem with Caroline being Jarl Haakon.", "[Haakon Sigurdsson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haakon_Sigurdsson) \n \n >Haakon Sigurdarson (Haakon Jarl) (Old Norse: Hákon Sigurðarson [ˈhɑːˌkon ˈsiɣˌurðɑz̠ˌson], Norwegian: Håkon Sigurdsson) (c. 937–995) was the de facto ruler of Norway from about 975 to 995. Sometimes he is styled Hakon the Powerful (Old Norse: Hákon jarl hinn ríki) through Ágrip af Nóregskonungasögum and Historia Norwegiæ gives the less flattering name Hákon Illi, that is Hakon Bad.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Just watch birth of a nation for the 90th time if you're so picky", "[ Jump to 02:09 @ THE NORTHMAN - Official Trailer - In Theaters April 22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m9s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Focus Features, Video Length: [02:44])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSdFM12hOw&t=0h2m4s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "> This is going to be Hamlet with the trappings of the sagas of the Icelanders.\n\nWhat's interesting is that Skarsgårds character, Amleth, seems to be the direct inspiration for Hamlet.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman", "[Amleth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleth) \n \n >Amleth (Latinized Amlethus, Old Icelandic Amlóði) is a figure in a medieval Scandinavian legend, the direct inspiration of the character of Prince Hamlet, the hero of William Shakespeare's tragedy Hamlet, Prince of Denmark. The chief authority for the legend of Amleth is Saxo Grammaticus, who devotes to it parts of the third and fourth books of his Gesta Danorum, completed at the beginning of the 13th century. Saxo's version is similar to the one in the 12th-century Chronicon Lethrense. In both versions, prince Amleth (Amblothæ) is the son of Horvendill (Orwendel), king of the Jutes.\n \n[The Northman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman) \n \n >The Northman is an upcoming American epic historical thriller film directed by Robert Eggers, who co-wrote the screenplay with Sjón. Set at the turn of the tenth century in Iceland, it stars Alexander Skarsgård as Viking prince Amleth, who sets out on a mission of revenge after his father is murdered. Nicole Kidman, Claes Bang, Anya Taylor-Joy, Ethan Hawke, Björk, and Willem Dafoe appear in supporting roles. It is scheduled to be theatrically released on April 22, 2022, by Focus Features.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Off the top of my head: \n\nThe Wessex soldiers have helmets that are like 16th century conquistador helmets - they came a few hundred years later. Honestly this is the one that gets me every time, why the helmets…\n\nThe armies/battles in general. Professional armies weren’t a thing at that time/place, and I don’t think you’d see the level of uniformity you see amongst the non-Viking armies in the show - a lot more peasant levies. The battles (by later seasons) are also mostly just big ol’ melees. We need more shield walls!\n\nWatched an episode from season 5 the other day, and one of the guys is smoking a hookah pipe - looked it up and yup, those were invented only a few hundred years ago. And where would the tobacco have come from?\n\nObviously not an expert, but a lot of the other costuming does just look really modern, while I know we have evidence of what it actually may have looked like.\n\n\nI bet someone has compiled a way better list", "That? Just a flesh wound", "Iooks generic af", "Listen I get English is probably not your first language so you probably want to use \"you're\" instead of \"your\" next time you call someone dumb.\n\nBut seeing as your account is only 4 months, welcome to Reddit! Have you tried r/mgtow? I feel it would be inline with that whole Anders Breivik vibe you seem to be cultivating.", "Having a very good actor-director chemistry which results in them working together in multiple projects to great effect", "shes gonna blow a fuse when she reads this.", "I’m so sick of Nicole Kidman", "I DON'T have any problem with Caroline playing Jarl Haakon.\n\nAnd you have no problem with Elon playing MLK.\n\nWe're already getting my show. How about you go produce your Elon show where he plays a character named... MLK. Hell don't even get Elon, just get your very pasty self to play him. \n\nI'd love to see that.", "Isn't this just the Lion King with people?", "Getting similar vibes to The Green Night, stylistically.", "Just here to say that a mod on this sub is trying to extort users by banning them and then trying to exchange an unban for around 80k in crypto", "Anybody watched Tarzan?", "Reading your comments down the thread seem disingenuous now. Your original point was that not every patricide revenge story is Hamlet but this story is literally a Hamlet sibling, based on the exact same story. Drawing comparisons between them based on their shared source material is only natural, especially because Hamlet is really the only reason the source material is still known outside anthropological circles. The point is, it’s ok to say you’re wrong sometimes.", "Why the screaming lady have braces?", "There's more to a movie than its plot anyway if there wasn't the plot synopsis on wikipedia is all we'd ever want.", "> very pasty\n\nvery classy, racist", "Why do I have the vibe that the mother is in on the killing of the father?", "\"Lazy\" the true sign that the person using it has no clue what they are talking about.\n\nLol they probably went through 20 or 30 revisions of this and you think they got it upside down on the last one because they wanted to go to lunch early?...you really think it was laziness....really? \n\nI get it thinking about runes gives you an orgasm and you can't think why anything else could be important but these guys are thinking about more than just the runes because they aren't obsessed by them.\n\nLol I doubt your clipart runes are the last word in valid usage...lol...what the actual fuck kind of evidence is that?\n\nLol what the fuck do you think artistic license actually means?", "Im so tired of vikings, overglorified looters", "This seems like a light-hearted romp.", "There are like 10 viking shows/movies in the last decade, not interested in overhyped looters anymore", "There are already two live action Askeladden movies made in the last couple of years.", "DA KINGINNA NORF!", "He was in it just very briefly!", "Oh... Kidman's in this?", "I’m getting 13th Warrior vibes.", "Oh cool The Witcher", "My bet is one of the witches that weave the threads of destiny. Urður, Verðandi and Skuld", "This looks awesome.", "They’re like gremlins man. You get one wet….", "I liked his resolution but yeah he got lost in the middle seasons.", "Rafnar, Ragnar, Ragnar! What day is it?!?! What day is it?!?!?", "They can reuse the video for a 5 second hook on ads on other videos. \nThey play these first 5 secs in the ad and hope someone doesn't click skip ad. Its more effective than it sounds if that sounds dumb to you.", "Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man", "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.", "Fighter of the Southman!", "The whole show got lost in the middle seasons", "Maybe it's just me, but it almost feels like co-marketing for the upcoming God of War: Ragnarok.\n\nI love Björk though. Kinda wish they all spoke Icelandic or a Nordic language to set the scene; not exactly easy to pull off.", "I think it's because these get put as ads before videos and you can skip after the first 5 seconds.", "Chalky?\n\nAll I'm saying is if you're going to go out there and play MLK, you may want a bit more of a tan and maybe some moisturizer.", "I didn’t know that! Thank you!", "So, Lion King with Vikings?", "Likely, three black Vikings and 4 lbgt+. It will be a coming of age story, where a Viking is being persecuted and oppressed for being different.", "These pretzel are making me thirsty!", "Isn’t this a show on Hulu called the last kingdom?", "Not from someone like Eggers. An HP Lovecraft adaptation, maybe. But the first law is bound to come to us via streaming platform made by some hack who makes it like an early aughts WB show.", "Congrats on being the only person to get it.", "I get it, it just sucks that it throws off the vibe of every trailer", "I will save you, money. I will watch you in IMAX.", "wow!!!", "I loved The Green Knight, but I also took an Arthurian Legend class in college and read that story, so it was cool to see it come to life.", "> damn they're the new Baldwin's\n\nThey said \"most of whom are pretty talented\", not some of whom.", "Comcast owned focus films decides a24 doesn't get all the creepy esoterica and decides to grab some good ideas make a more dramatic film with bigger names. Still looks cool. Bjork + Valhalla story", "Oh interesting! I may check them out for proprietary sake of getting to know the OG myth. I just really enjoyed the antagonist role Vinland saga's Askeladd played and think the series is one of the few mangas that actually could be done well adapted to Live action. But, maybe that's a monkey paw wish ==;", "That's wild, I never knew about that group until 2 days ago when I stumbled across one of their songs on spotify", "Yeah and I don’t appreciate being tricked. Waiting for the reviews to decide in theaters or home streaming", "These insults are terrible", "I thought this was a true blood origin story for a moment.", "That's exactly how Shakespeare came up with Hamlet.", "There is Stellan the father (most recently in the film Dune) and then his kids of which Bill, Gustaf and Alexander are the ones pursuing acting the most. \n\nThey are all putting out quality work for sure.", "How would one possibly live with the pain that causes?", "YES! Thank you!", "Doh! Yeah, the guy that shot the vid got sued by the still-mysterious identity TV... I'd just woken up when I posted the above one and didn't read it to see that it was hokey.", "What you said doesn't contradict what I said and is also a strawman. I didn't insist that there should be many people of color in this film or any other of the period. The original comment (prior to editing) claimed that there were no black or brown people at all in \"medieval Europe\" (Europe includes Spain and Italy, where \"Othello\" starts). Having a \"token\" person of color in some films of medieval Europe would be accurate since they were rare, but not non-existent.\n\nAnother fallacy of yours is to insist that movies are about \"most Europeans.\" Since most Europeans were serfs and low class in the Medieval period, and most films are about nobility and the rich, it would be more accurate to include a token person of color (rather than none) in many medieval European films since black and brown people in medieval Europe were merchants, soldiers, and other skilled tradespeople. Below is an article about black people in medieval England.\nhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z8gpm39", "I've thought myself stupid plenty of times. Care to show how I am this time? Your young profile and eagerness to insult betrays insecurity, you should work on that.", "Lol why would you even think about that? You watch a trailer and your first reaction is \"I'm so glad there are only white people\"?", "They're talking about him in particular. He won a Spirit but outside of that I don't think he was nominated for another major award. Even the film itself was only nominated for a couple of them (one Oscar, one BAFTA, and a couple Spirit). The movie and performances were so good that they should've been at least nominated at the Oscars but they only got a cinematography nom.", "Skyrim, the movie?", "Agreed. She's always fantastic", "She's very clearly not ethnically Nordic, which is the entire point. \n\nA white guy can be civically a Japanese citizen, for example, but that doesn't mean he should go play Tokugawa Ieyasu in a historical movie or television show.", "Vikings did it better", "So...viking lion king?", "So...the Lion King, but with Norsemen?", "I probably haven't seen her face since her heyday. I was surprised by how instantly recognizable she was after all these years with just the lower face shown.", "Am I missing something here, or is the plot of this movie identical to Assassin's Creed Valhalla's?", "Hey, CGI doesn't weigh anything.", "OOOH my bad I didn't realize it was about \"Ethics in ETHNICALLY Nordic castings\" that was your issue LOLOL.\n\nTotally not because it's a Black Woman in a Fictional Vikings show... made by the same network that outputs shows about Aliens fucking around with humans.\n\nYou're looking for historical accuracy there?\n\nAlso I wouldn't go with that example either. It's actually VERY difficult for a \"white guy\" to become a citizen of japan more so than a lot of other places as Japan is kind of notoriously racist as fuck when it comes to matters like that. Hell even if you're born there they still may not consider you a citizen. Again go back to some racist as fuck policies.", "It wasnt almost completely white\n\nIt was ABSOLUTELY white", "It’s called a bumper and it’s used when they use the trailer as an ad. Tries to keep you from skipping the ad at 5 seconds and watch the full trailer.", "All of scandinavia are neonazis according to you....?", "Ah. Another viking movie/show. Must be trendy right now.", "Ok my dude we are talking about two very different things :-D The original tales of Espen Askeladd are a series of Norwegian folk/fairy tales about the adventures a young boy/man called Askeladden. I think the name is all they share with your manga. They are far from viking action movies.", "If they did Vikings the way they really were, you can't have a hero. Vikings were raiders. They raped and murdered their way through everything and everyone. They were pirates with a religion that told them that piracy was the pinnacle of expression.", ">not just film adaptations of Twitter threads\n\nHey, I thought Zola was a pretty good movie tbh", "From my understanding the \"Techno Viking\" was not very pleased to be known as the \"Techno Viking\".", "Can’t even imagine. They drilled right through the root nerves, with no numbing.", "Of course you can have a hero. The stories are mostly based on sagas and the sagas have heroes. Every society had soldiers who raped back then, it's nothing unique to them.", "Looking forward to inspiration for my Valheim builds", "Ok I misunderstood I've always thought they were a studio lol", "I blame Netflix.", "So another epic fantasy we are expected to fawn over?", "Pretty much very single new series made by Netflix/HBO/Amazon etc replaces established characters with token ethnicities or just plain makes every other person a different ethnicity, fuck realism..\n\nTo put it straight, I'm all for having plenty of all kinds of people in all kinds of series and movies. It's good for everyone to bust stupid stereotypes, and to have role models etc etc. However I just wish they'd stop making it so fucking obvious and dumb. Every third person in a random medieval village would never be black because people didn't fucking mix. They'd all be fucking family by todays standards.", "I'm still waiting for the remake of the Amistad with asians/indians/whites and blacks all being sent from Africa as slaves.\n\nJust stop and think before replying. It's just as absurd as what's going on elsewhere.", "I'm looking for entertainment. Nothing else.\n\nWhat people seem to utterly miss is that fantasy isn't just simple OHMYGODWECANDOWHATEVERWEWANT! It's a carefully balanced art to make a fantasy world work. For it to be realistic/historic enough to be interesting while still being \"different\" enough to be engaging.\n\nIf you don't think so I would urge you to dive into any fantasy world that's well-recognized and see just what the authors/directors do(did). Some of it is absolutely anti-fantasy, just to make it not-too-far-out for people to embrace. \n\nAnd yes, black or asian people in something supposed to be vikingland is dumb unless you have some awesome reason for them being there. And yes, in that case, I'm all for it. E.g I always pull out the Robin Hood movie with the crusades and the black dude from there being his trainer. THAT'S how you do this shit, not just randomly swap people out for PC points.", "And the supposed Conan series, or the GoT things, or the new Witcher stuff. \n\nI'm still sticking with Wheel of Time, as even though they did the regular tokenized replacements (e.g for me the fact that there's different ethnicities in Two Rivers is just beyond stupid. Not just is Rand being \"different\" kind of a point in the novels. As always, in a medieval fucking village every single person there is pretty much every other persons third cousin or closer.)\n\nHowever, I can excuse a lot from that series as the backstory itself gives plenty of reason for all kinds of people to be mixed to a good degree in a small amount of space. So they get a free pass for a lot of the swaparoos, still find it annoying, but in that specific world it isn't enough for me to go BAH, like with for example the Witcher. The world there isn't like that. At all.", "> For it to be realistic/historic enough to be interesting while still being \"different\" enough to be engaging.\n\nI still argue that the delineation about what \"feels\" realistic to the audience is pretty fucking arbitrary. These movies are choc-full of aesthetics and themes clearly invented in the 21st century, to appease a 21st century audience.\n\nI just see this all as rape of an actual historical period. Turning it into \"fantasy\" is just moving the goalposts. It's like saying \"oh no it's not rape because I didn't cum on her face, because that's DEGRADING! I can't understand guys who do that.\" The delineation is just arbitrarily set between what's felt as PC and what's not. Out of all the things that is fucking wrong with movies like this, I seriously cannot understand why that is the problem.", "I’m saying they kept it true with the runes that are similar, but for some reason using the proper H was too much", "She has a weird aura. It feels like if she asks my name, I shouldn't give it to her.", "Huh well I can’t say I’ve noticed that in every new show but I guess I’ll keep an eye out.", "Cue the karma bait post on /r/movies getting thousands of upvotes", "Here’s hoping we get some good Nordic music too like Wardruna or Heilung", "Then you're the minority, because most of us very much get it. It's not that I disagree, it's definitely completely arbitrary. Humans are. \n\nPutting a black dude in a viking helmet and trying to convince the audience that he's a regular viking dude from northern latitudes, yeah that kills it. I don't think I can explain it except it's just... Completely fucking dumb. Skin colors evolved from different latitudes, that's pretty fucking basic stuff. Having someone do some slightly superhuman stuff or maybe a bit of magic isn't as dumb/disengaging to most people.\n\nAlso I didn't know cumming on someones face was demeaning to anyone, my experience tells me it's mostly a pretty mutually enjoyable activity.", "Hell, if you haven't noticed, please don't. It ruins every new series. Ignore it and be happy :P" ]	1,331	videos	The Northman \| Official Trailer
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkoq1b/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkoq1b/deleted_by_user/	[ "that is cool men. Afro have a lot uses", "Fun fact, no laws against bringing in your own snacks..", "This brotha eatin bean burritos!", "The theater usually don't give a shit.", "Lucky son of a`.", "Afro burritos are back on the menu boys", "Or you could have just put it in your hood", "Even funner fact: that means they can’t charge you but their policy could allow them to refuse your entry. It is private property after all.", "And then when you refuse to leave, that's probably when the cops get involved.", "Yes but at that point it would be considered trespassing and not exactly for bringing in food they didn’t approve of.", "This is pointless and hilarious. Great job.", "ok", "and what right does she have to push you in your chest?", "A private business enforcing their policy? \n1984", "That’s the way to do it bro.", "According to Reddit posters Reddit communities enforcing their own rules is akin to a human rights violation" ]	17	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkpbtj/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkpbtj/deleted_by_user/	[ "Great", "Thanks!", "Whats the camera?", "GoPro Hero 8", "Any post processing? Because this looks really good I expected it to be a DSLR or something.", "Nothing actually. They shoot 4k 60fps. Pretty amazing." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wgkYf5Ry3A	/r/videos/comments/rkq27f/henry_cavill_about_james_bond/	[ "Tom Holland is someone I see being Bond. Not sure while he is in his 20s, but definitely down the line.", "He really does. I think he's the best Suoerman ever portrayed on film. He's excellent in the Witcher. He'll, he's excellent in everything he does.", "If not Hebry then I could see Tom Hardy in the role. I agree Holand would make a good Bind in like 15 years.", "He is undeniably the best known/big name actor for the role, the only way he shouldn't get it is if they go with an unknown actor.", "Is this a bot? word for word from youtube comment", "Is this a bot? word for word from youtube comment", "Is this a bot? word for word from youtube comment", "Is this a bot? word for word from youtube comment", "He'll stale too quickly IMO. As good as he'll be, his Bond will feel like walking a well-trodden path. A little bit Connery, a little bit Craig and not entirely his own.\n\nThe next Bond needs to reinvigorate the character. I like Cavill, but I don't think he has the chops to do that. Good luck to him either way.", "The next bond needs writers worth a damn", "That is also very true.", "Is there a voice actor for him in the Witcher? This sounds weird.", "The next Bond will be Jane Bond.", "Nope, just like Tom Holland he is trained in an American accent.", "Looks like it, their history is only posting on YouTube videos commenting copies of YouTube comments", "Idris Elba or the dude who plays Manhattan in the new Watchmen tv series would be my top picks.", "Definitely. I think that’s really what separates Casino Royals, Skyfall and Die Another Day from Quantum of Solace and Spectre.\n\nI think the series could also use going in a completely new and fresh direction. My pitch would be turn it back to the time period of which the originals were written i.e. Cold War era, and have it more campy and fun like the Roger Moore bond films. Make a hard break from the more dark and serious Craig films. \n\nThen when it comes to some of the issues with the character of Bond as a narcissist/misogynist have good writing that plays off that from a more modern lens. Something a bit satirical and biting that portrays it as a character failure, not something to aspire to.", "wait a minute, Henry Cavill is british??", "Idris Elba is barely younger than Daniel Craig. By the time they get around to actually filming, Elba will be the same age as Craig was when they filmed the last one.", "I don’t think the Manhattan guy is English", "I assume you meant No Time to Die?", "Yes that's somewhat my issue with Cavill as Bond.\n\nHe'll do the role adequately, but it will be a watered down mix of Connery and Moore. Whixh we've seen before. I want new Bond to be a new Bond. I don't think Cavill is the type of actor that could redefine the role.\n\nTom Hardy, even as a 1 off, otoh...", "I think they've already said Bond will be white. They could change their mind of course but IMO, Idris should make his own super-spy character, which would be unrestricted by the boundaries of the Bond universe.\n\nBourne being an example that comes to mind. \n\nViewed through that lens, I think Idris would be wasted as Bond.", "Has Idris had a successful film? All I can think of is Prometheus & Marvel, and that success was based on the franchise. Every non-franchise has been a box office failure. (but correct me if I'm wrong)", "Wait till you hear about Idris Elba!", "I think the next Bond should be like Timothy Dalton, 2 movies, reset the franchise from the previous actor and then let another actor run with it.\n\nI for one would love to see a vintage throwback Bond film taking place in the 60’s as a spiritual continuation of the Sean Connery films. Give us 2-3 films like this to separate themselves from Daniel Craig’s modern and gritty Bond films.", "Oh I’d love a more “dark” bond with Tom Hardy as a lead", "I would kind of like them to do a more accurate portrayal of On Her Majesty's Secret Service like Fleming wrote to kick off the new Bond. But I'm sure they are probably going to really flip the role to draw in a younger audience which hey, I'm fine with as long as they stay consistent in the Bond Universe.", "[Yes](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/) with The Suicide Squad being the most recent and for a lot of people all they knew about the franchise was how shitty the previous movie was. Also also has been a voice actor in some recent big 3D animated films.\n\nIn the bad films he has been in he has carried his scenes and you can tell the failure of the film wasn't his fault, he was easily my favorite character in Prometheus. The guy has top tier acting chops and a bunch of successful TV.", "No, in the Witcher Henry does his own version of the Geralt's video game voice.", "But has he proven that he can carry a feature film? Will people spend money to see him? Talent isn't enough.\n\nBig Budget Films don't take risks. His voice-over acting is negligible in this case. The Suicide Squad was the star of the Suicide Squad (as well as Margot Robbie for sex appeal). Idris didn't put asses in the seats.\n\nBond has to be a proven commodity, which I'm arguing, Idris is not yet.", "People can do voices, actors can often do very good fake voices!", "Nah, Bond is the perfect balance of rugged and refined. Someone who could fit into any cocktail party, but could also beat you to hell without a sweat. Holland isn't rugged enough.", "It IS a bot. I've reported around 30 in the past two days from /r/video. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll be reporting this one and the ones below as well.", "He seems to be more of a supporting cast member or at best costar but IMDB says he is current the 79th most popular actor which isn't too shabby. He is filming Luther right now where he is clearly the lead and Beast which comes out next year he is 1 of the 3 stars and from the looks of the lead so I guess he is just now really getting his shot at being a leading actor in film.", "Can I put my vote in as the next Bond to be Dan Stevens. He's really right at the moment where he could be a huge star. He's already a name, and recognizable, but not on the level of someone like Cavill.\n\nIf you listen to his interviews, he has that refined British accent already.", "couldnt think why at first, but i guess they are trying to make farm accounts seem legit by automating actual human comments from elsewhere", "According to the mod I talked to, it has a lot to do with crypto. He didn't go into detail, but they're aware of what has been going on.", "Yup! Woops…", "I swear all the best Hollywood actors are secretly british", "I think he's just too big for Bond tbh. His physique looks incredible as Geralt and Superman, but Bond has never been that massive\n\nI think Tom Hiddleston is maybe someone Id be interested in as Bond", "Jean-Claude van Damme would also be a good choice.", "Quantum of Solace is the best Craig Bond movie, come at me. It's fun, tight, stripped-down, great setpieces, has the best opening credits sequence, and Bond is a remorseless killing machine.", "Yes please... and make it a super-faithful rendition of books Bond. I want a chainsmoking, chauvinistic antihero.", "Sylvester Stallone", "Have you seen The Man From U.N.C.L.E? He could def put his own spin on it.", "They might do a spinoff eventually with a female. But his name is James Bond...so unless HER name was James, that won't work.", "There's rumors Matt Bomer might replace him as Geralt because the show runners don't wanna wait long periods of time for Henry to have schedule time for it. The reason he'd have scheduling problems is because of this. He's being considered for James Bond. \n\nThe unfortunate thing is if you're watching season 2 he utterly owns the role and it's incredible how completely he disappears into it. He's passionate about the character and it really shows. He's so good at it, that I'm beginning to think he was also even the voice actor for the games. It's absolutely amazing to see an actor completely disappear and become unrecognizable in a role, but even more amazing when the actor is already so well known and huge. \n\nHe should win awards for his portrayal as Geralt, but sadly won't because the idiots who nominate and vote for roles don't understand or care about the character or the franchise.", "Idris is too old. He could have been a fun pick 15 years ago, but they're not going to pick a new Bond that will get 1 movie and be done.", "I was mostly joking. Just because changing a character’s gender is the first idea Hollywood has to make something “fresh”. I think Barbara Broccoli has said Bond should always be a man. So, until she’s gone… there will be no Jane Bond.", "Agreed.", "Nah he could do a less brutal/realist Bond and do a suave/smooth/funny Bond very well. Go back to the 70s era a bit, plus he's got the physique to pull off the modern action sequences.", "And Armie Hammer can join him again as Jaws", "You're hitting on one of my issues with Bond in the modern era.\n\nIs he a spy? A brute? An assassin? A honeypot?\n\nTraditionally, he's been all of the above. So they need an actor that can convincingly do all of the above, too.\n\nI don't think any of the names being thrown around can do that.\n\nSo if it's going to be Cavill, the writers need to work to his strengths, rather than force him to fit into a legacy interpretation of what Bond is.\n\nAlternatively, they need to decide on what they want their Bond to be and cast for that.\n\nHiddlestone absolutely could play a suitable version of Bond. He's got that charming/sadistic killer look about him.", "Dalton wasn't meant to only do 2 movies. The more gritty and serious Bond he portrayed didn't go down well at the time.", "I disagree. If you look at his character in Fallout he's something very different to other Bonds, he's suave but also genuinely physically imposing. He's part Connery and part Jack Reacher.", "My point is the franchise could use a soft reset to separate itself from Daniel Craig’s run.", "> He's part Connery \n\nAnd I'm saying that's a problem. We've seen a Connery version of Bond. \n\nLet's see a new version.", "And he already proved he's got the chops for the spy role in the Night Manager" ]	64	videos	Henry Cavill about James Bond
https://youtu.be/52jgttTNGuM	/r/videos/comments/rkq9o0/this_asian_man_ran_the_fastest_60m_in_human/	[ "Lol the fact that this thread is 44% upvoted, really makes me wonder why.... Would it have been upvoted more if he wasnt from China?", "Lol looks like you are right. There are videos that have been upvoted more about people not from China.", "Yeah, I am not a big fan of China, but this video isn’t about China, it’s about the individual and how he overcame his shortcomings through sheer hard work." ]	3	videos	This Asian Man Ran the FASTEST 60m in Human History \| Su Bingtian 2012-2021 Metamorphosis 9.83\|6.29
https://youtu.be/bIRnM6s4GNo	/r/videos/comments/rkqmgn/hot_dr_pepper/	[ "When glass melts it's glass, yeah", "That's pretty neat.", "Pour it into your glass. And if you're using a glass glass glass made of glass, pour it very slowly.", "if your lemon makes a popping bubble... comment or like", "It tastes just like Dr. Pepper, only it's hot.", "The review is literally the last 5 seconds 😅 amazing 10/10", "Thumbs up for that", "How do I know if my glass glasses are made of glass?", "pour hot dr. pepper in it really quickly, if it melts, it's glass.", "I will try that outside. For safety.", "Pouring hot liquids into glass glass glasses seems like a really fast way to have a hot liquid mixed with shards of glass glass, potentially in an exploding in your face kind of way.", "I sign all of my emails with: \"A little carbonation, and I'll see ya next time. Later.\"", "The delivery towards the end felt like inter-dimensional cable.", "A little carbonation and I'll see you next time", "Hail Corporate", "Wait, what was that recipe again? Anyone have a transcription I can print?", "Just get a pan or anything really and pour the Dr pepper then make sure you get a glass glass made of glass", "But what if all my glass glasses are already melted?", "thanks for the heads up. i really hate it when my glass melts while im pouring hot liquids into it", "I'm going to teach you how to make Hot Dr Pepper: take some Dr Pepper... and make it hot.", "If you are talking about whatever all this glassglassglass stuff is, I don't know.\n\nIF you talking about heating Dr Pepper up and drinking it, then yes it is a thing. My wife has done this for as long as I have known her when she has a sore throat. Hot DP with lemon. I can't stand it, but to each their own I guess.", "That was surprisingly wholesome.", "This kid spoiled AF. I wish I had a glass glass, glass made of glass.", "I should have grabbed a pen and paper to write down the recipe to making hot Dr Pepper", "A little carbonation - and I'll see you next time", "Shit now I've gotta binge the pizza guy's videos again", "Part 2 Cold Dr. Pepper", "Thanks, I hate it.", "As someone from Texas, with a life long addiction to Dr Pepper; I got to say no!", "The traditional recipe calls for a 7/11 cup, a car, and Texas in July. It’s fun to see people adapt from this tried and true method, even if it doesn’t come out the right way.", "Hot Dr. Pepper is an acquired taste, I guess. I know I started to like it after the 5th time I left my Dr. Pepper in my car and was too poor to waste it.", "Wtf. Is this. Ok, now I have to try. Merry Christmas.", "TLDW; If you boil your Dr. Pepper it will become hot Dr. Pepper. \n\nIt's a very complicated video so I hope this saved some folks some time.", "Watch the video", "don’t have a pan don’t worry, you can just go ahead and use anything. Just make sure it’s not a glass glass that’s glass.", "Man, you just about killed me with this comment.\n\nIt's 3:12 at night where i'm at and i literally almost died trying to stifle laughter.\n\nI think i burst my eyes from straining so hard. They look like i had a momentary lapse of judgment and tattoed my eyeballs with ketchup.\n\nThanks.", "glass ,glass made of glass smells like ass ..... what ?", "Don't heat your Dr Pepper to 2500F like I did. My glass glass glass made of glass melted. To be fair, I only waited 4 seconds between each spill. It did make a popping bubble though!", "whoa whoaa slow down, you got to wait 5 seconds between each spill! You don't want it to turn into glass.", "A vile concoction, that should pique the interest of the Geneva Convention.", "So let me get this straight: hot Dr Pepper is… hot Dr Pepper? Colour me surprised!", "You can tell its glass, because of the way it is", "no", "Don't forget your safety goggles. For safety!", "How to boil a liquid. You'll be shocked at this method!", "How do I know if my glass glass is made of glass though?", "I use Dr Pepper when I make pulled pork and it’s fucking delicious. I just don’t let it glass glass", "This kid has a future writing for Tim & Eric.", "Diet Dr Pepper Barbecue Sauce", "You son of a bitch, I'm in.", "Thumbs up for that", "If it melts when you add the Dr Pepper without waiting 5 seconds you have a glass glass.", "That was great.", "Why did he put it in the fridge if he was just gonna sizzle/steam it.", "A friend of mine has the record album [\"A Slice of Lemon\"](https://youtu.be/4QqC7_XL8SU) a promotional album released by Dr. Pepper to promote Hot Dr. Pepper featuring Dick Clark.", "I got stupid watching this", "Add a shot of Jameson", "More footage of the popping lemon. \n\nSo yeah. This is hot dr pepper. It tastes just like dr pepper. Only its hot.", "This sounds like it's right out of Rick and Morty.", "This is some total /r/InterdimensionalCable material", "In Hong Kong we would boil Coca Cola with Ginger and Lemon as a cold remedy. I tried it once, so nasry", "Yes, one of the largest companies in the world decided to post a 9 year old video about consuming one of their products in a way most people find gross.", "A lot of good jokes here but has anybody tried it? Just curious of it tastes any good or not.", "And if you're using an edge edge edge made of edge...", "Such a wholesome video. Can we go back to these days on the internet?", "No", "But it probably made you feel smart", "That's neat.", "From the Official Dr. Pepper FAQ page:\n\n----\n>Q: What is hot Dr Pepper?\n\n> A: Hot Dr Pepper was developed many years ago as a refreshing winter drink. Heat Dr Pepper in a saucepan to 180 degrees, place a thin slice of lemon in the bottom of a coffee mug or insulated cup and pour the heated Dr Pepper over the lemon.", "\"Little bits....\"", "Link?", "I want 2 minutes of my life back.", "Funny enough, this is kind of still a thing in parts of the midwest. Any minnesotans have grandparents who like hot doctor pepper?", "This video is charmingly kiddish. Very good, young lad. I’ll give it a try.", "Lol", "Was this an old Justin Roiland sketch I was not aware of?", "And it feels just like I’m walkin’ on broken glassssss glass glass glass glass made of glass.", "Is this kid from Jersey?", "It's got a special place in my heart. Just gotta avoid the invisible poison gas in the adult bookstore and you'll be ok.", "😗hot garbage juice, coming right up!", "this is if videogamedunkey made drink videos", "Don't forget it has Christopher Walken.", "\"It tastes just like Dr Pepper...only its hot.\"", "Directions unclear : melted glass and drank my glass glass glass made of glass", "\"He drank it hot?\"", "How fucking hot did she heat up that Dr. Pepper before pouring it??????\n\n>\"Glass completely melts/liquifies at approximately 2600 °F (1400°C)\"", "We are doomed lol", "So, it’s quite a sweet video. I assume that the narrator was worried about the glass shattering rather than melting :-)", "a little carbonation and ill see you next time.....", "Is that where you take the hot Dr. Pepper and cool it off?", "interesting, where can i get it?", "Can you use a glass glass or a glass made of glass in addition to the coffee mug or insulated cup?", "yeah", "I just caught he calls the FAQ \"facts and questions.\"", "It's a bit disconcerting the kid doesn't know the word \"simmer\".", "Haha yeah it goes deep... Talking to people who work in marketing that is something they might actually do. Maybe not in this case but the point is just for you to have a memory of the brand and choose it over an unknown.", "That kid made my day", "This was 9 years ago. The only other video on the channel is jailbreaking iPhones in the apple store, 11 years ago.\n\nPeak early YouTube. Incredible production for then.\n\nDespite being ridiculously long and rambling for the subject I'm sure it's still shorter than it would be if a youtuber made that today.", "Hey guys. Be nice. It’s Christmas. You could steel city haul.", "Wait til he tries hot kool-aid", "many years ago i saw this video and tried hot doctor pepper. lost my shit when the lemon did in fact bubble. it almost tastes like a sugary lemon tea, pretty good.", "Classic early YouTube", "Oh, I've seen it multiple times. My comment was more about how weird a combination hot DP and lemon was.", "more complicated than that! lol" ]	106	videos	Hot Dr. Pepper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0elNU0iOMY	/r/videos/comments/rkqrnl/the_hidden_background_noise_that_can_catch/	[ "Or just mute your murder home videos before uploading them", "hmm, it might be possible to overlay a fake \\~50Hz noise to timestamp your video to any time you'd like. But you need to know in which grid to use\n\nUK-Grid: [https://www.nationalgrideso.com/industry-information/balancing-services/frequency-response-services/historic-frequency-data](https://www.nationalgrideso.com/industry-information/balancing-services/frequency-response-services/historic-frequency-data)\n\nNorthern Europe Grid: [https://data.fingrid.fi/en/dataset/frequency-historical-data](https://data.fingrid.fi/en/dataset/frequency-historical-data)\n\nI did not find any data for the UCTE grid.", "What's up with all the bots in the comments? Check the comments here with the ones on youtube, they're just copy/pasted..\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit: for people confused: Mods have been removing the comments. But they all had a \"word\\_word\\_number\" username, and when you check the user history, they mostly/only post on youtube-posts, copying top comments from below the youtube video or they post on userprofile pages.", "Note to self: hard 100Hz high pass filter on all my crime videos.", "Also anyone who's ever done any form of digital recording. That 60 cycle hum will get you!", "Prepping accounts for sale probably.", "Had you not said anything I wouldnt have noticed because I dont read comments on youtube. I'm going to be more vigilant with new users.", "I noticed one the other day where their comment mentioned the current year being 2019 and after a moment of pondering if I were insane, I checked YouTube to see the same comment from a couple of years ago Lol", "I think you're confused about what they were trying to find.", "Then add back a frequency modulated sweep from 50 to 60 Hz that decodes to a recording of a Dalek saying \"EXTERMINATE!\" on repeat.", "Is it the same guy posting every single Tom Scott video here, or are multiple people vying for the privilege?", "Selling accounts on various social media websites is a pretty big business. You set up some scripts and aside from improving/updating once in awhile, it's pretty much a passive income.", "Glad to see the High Sparrow from GoT still working…\n\n[Wow... I touched a nerve? LOL]", "Imagine being a bot copying comments from YouTube and posting them on reddit", "And don't take any slow-mo shots. You can often pickup the line frequency in the flicker of you lamps.", "Also be on the lookout for first name surname number users on here, they're usually bots. There's also T shirt selling bots usually dwelling in TV subs.", "Check, use UPS's/Line conditioners for my lair now, or better yet, use solar arrays and feed back my own background noise....", "He's genuinely very popular and is one of the most regarded \"intellectual\" YouTubers going.", "Most likely because the fan was masking the sound.", "120 if you’re committing North American crime.", "Why is this even a market?", "This is not new, it's been happening since reddit changed their tos a couple years ago", "Ahh I think you just outed yourself Mr. Eag Le", "Misinformation campaigns, gorilla marketing", "Whilst I was idly perusing YouTube I found [this episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Fa_fucl1o) of the quiz \"Only Connect\" which made me chortle.", "These gorillas must be quite clever", "Their really good at tactics and RPGs", "Karma requirements in subreddits, but more importantly it's less obvious advertising. If a 5 day old account with 0 Karma shills something it's obviously an ad, but if a 50k Karma account that's 2 years old does it, then it feels more real.", "guerrilla", "80Hz lo cut should always be used on every mobile mic, including all camera mics, interview mics and so on. It is basically the exception to not use it, limited to static setups like in a studio.", "Who even pays attention to that though?", "A ton of people dig through account histories to discredit others, I see it all the time.", "Theres been a few threads on reddit where this has happened (probably way more than i have seen) and it seems its either bots to simulate traffic/content so reddit can claims its more successful when its put its IPO on the stock market or its Russia/Chinese bots trying to start arguments. \n\nWeirdly the first sounds more likely.", "In the video they showed how they could spot the harmonics too (this instance was 100Hz) wouldn't be surprised if they could see further harmonics.", "because of slope angle you should go higher, but it might make your videos sound thin", "[Astroturfing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing)", "They're", "Now that would be an interesting challenge to see if they can tell that there is something strange going on.", "Wouldn't Cyberman going 'Delete' be more appropriate? \n\n\nBoth would be hilarious.", "I'm not particularly a fan of New Who giving them a catch phrase. They were much more terrifying when they were silent killers.", "Midterms are coming soon and bot farms need 'clean' accounts to use in campaigns. If you thought '16/'20 was rough, you ain't seen nothing yet.", "Most people don't want to like and subscribe. A new Tom Scott video is always something to cherish.", "There", "The only thing worse than a bot is a bot that tries to deceive humans by shifting blame to the other bots. I am a traitor.", "They be", "Gorillas tend to stick to accounting. Marketing is more of a gibbon thing.", "This seems like a really interesting case to apply machine learning to. Maybe a neural netwerk designed for another time-constrained application like stock-market predictions can be adopted.", "Maybe you could try to add this fake data while you are training your algorithm so it learns to deal with it.", "Nope", "I'm very convinced that Netflix carries out huge astroturfing campaigns whenever a big new series is released. Over and over again I'll see people abruptly start talking about and referencing something I've never heard of, all at once and seemingly out of nowhere, I inevitably learn that it's a new Netflix series, and the hype will always die as abruptly as it started. It just strikes me as odd that these series could gain such intense overnight popularity and then fade into obscurity and leave seemingly no significant cultural impact unless they were actively being shilled. Maybe it's just a by-product of an oversaturated release cycle, but you know that any company with the resources to astroturf is going to do it.", "Being on this site for 2y only, you still have a lot to learn, young one \n\n/s \n\nBut I do actually", "Let me tell you fellow human redditor, I love the upcoming film, Morbius (2022), from Sony Pictures!", "If something is fishy enough it only takes a few seconds to look through.\n\nSuspected a thread had a ton of CCP shills in it yesterday given that anything pro American was downvoted and a bunch of CCP support was upvoted, turns out looking even at one page of their history proved it true.", "well, history has shown that posting his videos is basically free karma, so they get posted", "It's the most useless waste of time ever, too. They comb my profile and see my account is only a week old and say I'm a noob or a bot or something. Meanwhile I've been here since 2009 as a daily user and I just keep making new accounts because a ^$#* is out for me", "Absolutely. If I ever see a meme of a show or movie I haven't seen in a while, 100% chance there's a revamp coming up on netflix in the next week or so", "So, jaywalking and eating Kinder Surprises?", "Why.", "Tom Scott is about 50 million times more entertaining and prescient than Louis -- that mother fucker just likes to hear himself talk", "Low frequency rumble, wind, mic handling noises and so on. You need to use a stand, on a stable platform in a quiet room to be able to not use lo cut. Tables etc are not stable enough and specially with mechanical sources you can not hear those in the room. There is very little useful content below 80Hz, human voice rarely goes down that much. It is standard techniques when recording, unless you absolutely need the low end then cut it out. Low frequency sounds also take a lot of energy and you can run out of headroom. Specially important with digital audio as there is nothing above 0dB but complete destruction of information. In analog realm we get increased distortion, partial destruction.", "It would be difficult to tell, I suspect. It's a very noisy signal anyway. Probably the biggest tell would be if you were lazy and the harmonics and the fundamental show different signatures, or a very obvious filter cutoff.", "https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/38208-reddit-overwrite-not-spammy", "I worry about this too, but how do we fix it? I just don't see an easy solution without losing the open web as it is.", "How much would my 6yr old account with 200k karma be worth?", "this is a great tool.", "It could find anyone, not just criminals. It could be used for good or bad.", "Dare", "Bear", "Tree fiddy", "Or governments that are prepping accounts for a botnet of misinformation.", "Oof, 10 years minimum.", "I'm sure bird box was 100% an astroturf campaign.", "If it's something to cherish so much then maybe you should like and subscribe to support the dude.", "This reminds me when people managed to extract voice by detecting subtle vibrations on bag of snacks.", "Gotta cut the hair at that point, got a big ass bald spot on yo forrhead", "Not just that.\n\nA shitload of bots here who will take all of or a part of a comment further down, then repost that text further up as a reply.\n\nIt's happening with increasing frequency, and no I can't say I discovered it, some other dude(tte) told me about it.", "r/IllegalLifeProTips", "The algorithm for one. Automod for another. Reddit and mods set up basic checks for things like new accounts, low karma aged accounts, etc. \n\nAn aged account with karma that seems to have varied interest across numerous subs is low risk to the system.\n\nAs an example I caught some nutsack selling fake KN95 masks on Reddit earlier this year. Guy was burning through dozens of accounts as they got caught, but he was buying them from the same supplier as almost every one of had very similar post histories to various karma farming subs where the mods are utterly checked out.", "Done did", "Bree", "Could you also use this as a geolocator too? I mean atleast to the accuracy of a certain power station?", "How do they find you just knowing what time a video was filmed at?", "Didn't they used to go on about upgrading?", "Guerilla not gorilla", "Or what happens if you leave it?", "Yeah I think a repeating band stop would be better, not sure how well it would sound. Do the filter digitally to get a really nice hard cutoff.", "You end up looking like this guy lmao", "Well, it certainly ain't a monkey business.", "> But they all had a \"word_word_number\" username\n\nThis is a Reddit feature when making a new account, to have it randomly generate a username. It'll fit under the parameters you mentioned. I have no idea why they'd make this a feature, unless they deliberately want spam bots on the platform.", "Things could be worse", "Let's see your face.", "Damn the whole Balding Association Group out here", "Not really. The way an electric grid works, the entire thing is running at the same frequency (although that frequency varies slightly over time). You could probably figure out which power grid it is, but unfortunately, those are huge - your result might be \"somewhere in Europe\" or \"the eastern half of North America.\"\n\nThat said I'm an electrical engineering student, not a forensics expert - there might be some other technique I've never heard of.", "Well cancerBronzeV, I've seen you comment on r/immobile. I think that tells me everything tbh", "It's nice to have a place that isn't youtube comments to discuss the video.", "When we were looking for Osama, and I was just a young lad, I had the idea to drop fake \"rocks\" around Afghanistan that would emit an inaudible sound at timed intervals. Those would show up on his recorded videos and would help us triangulate his position.", "His videos are almost completely unedited and he talks A LOT. I watched a couple but it's really irritating after a while when he takes anywhere between 15 minutes to 1.5 hours to make the one point", "This type of thing always reminds me of [Peter Gregory, cicadas and sesame seeds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUxMY77i0q4).", "Well at least we know it's not him as he apparently very much dislikes Reddit.", "Nah, gorilla, let's stay on topic", "I bear is just like a gorilla but in the mountains dawg", "You wouldn’t believe the amount of astroturfing Reddit has. \n\nSince you can create an account with zero difficulty or verification it’s a fucking haven here. \n\nDepending on the subreddits you browse, it can be wildly obvious. \n\nAll about pushing your selected narrative. Maybe it’s the next game people should check out. Maybe a crypto coin you’re trying to pump. Maybe a political view. Maybe Covid misinformation. \n\nReddit is one of the most manipulated websites I’ve ever seen in my life.", "Videos, pics, funny, aww; they’re all just karma farming subreddits. Bots post generic shit, more bots upvote, more bots post comments. It’s just a cycle to boost karma on accounts for sale. Since these bucket default subreddits don’t have strict rules on content, it’s shit easy to write that kind of a script knowing your post won’t get banned at all. \n\nYou don’t need any kind of verification or email or anything to sign up with Reddit so it’s also shit easy to create multiple accounts just for upvoting or posting or to add to your farm.\n\nReddit can very easily make it much more difficult to make accounts but they actually made it EASIER recently because they don’t give a fuck. Bots are posting content which brings in viewers which boosts ad revenue so why do they want to stop it?", "Silicon Valley hardware guy here, we do that already. Especially for machine learning scripts which are a black box and need to be testing at both 50/60 Hz for high noise edge cases globally.", "Can confirm. Not a bot.", "Us bots", "Because Reddit became popular and the tools it used when it was just a shit message board can’t repel monied interest and manipulation. \n\nYou basically have to go to totally obscure subs to find the original kind of Reddit interaction. \n\nAka there’s shitloads of money involved in every aspect of Reddit no matter how innocuous", "Serial killers taking notes.", "Open web is the only field on which to do battle. Without net neutrality the problem is unfixable, as closed webs are utterly under control. We fight it by teaching eachother how to spot shills and doing so when we can. Also, pray to god we never manage to have a machine pass the turing test.", "Oh sure, i'm gonna trust the guy with a... Nine ye-... NINE?!", "I really respect his right to repair efforts, but holy fuck his constant incoherent rambling about everything just pushed me away from his content.", "Ive been offered money for my account before simply cause of the age/karma. People are less critical and less likely to dig deep into an account if its a 12 year account than they would a 2 month old account with low karma. Different sites exist to buy and sell accounts for all types of sites.", "I made a post in another sub yesterday that got 10 comments, 8 of them were those same exact bots.", "I would imagine that would take a lot of rocks though (and I think they'd need a pretty hefty power supply to transmit long enough to show up in a recording).", "They've gotten so small over time... more like nibbling", "Marketing firms.", "I think rocks are bombs", "You must not be familiar with gorilla marketing. People are going bananas for it.", "After the first few, yeah", "A fair bit better than my plot to steal my classmate's dad's rifle, stow away on a ship to the Middle East, and hunt him down myself. But on top of the power supply issue and sheer number of emitters needed already mentioned, I'm pretty sure the AV equipment used by him would be limited to pretty close to the same frequency range heard by people. And to be detectable over long distances, those sounds would have to be pretty fucking loud.", "I wonder if you can get away with murder with this", "That's not how sound works", "Lots of companies want users with old accounts and high karma so they can do guerilla/stealth advertising and influence public opinion. And get their message across without triggering Reddit's anti spam rules", "You must be the last person in history to have seen this", "And [on twitter](https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1473004316369858568) someone found the morse code rickroll easter egg within two hours of posting!", "Everyone should.\n\nA majority of the accounts spreading propaganda on either side of the ‘aisle’ are less than 300d old accounts that post only in political subs and usually only around one central narrative.\n\nIf we all work on identifying these accounts when we see them, it makes the misinformation they’re trying to spread all the less effective.", "Delete all past comments is a great idea.\nHow is it done ?\nDoesn't reddit retain everything In their database?", "It's not definitive proof but knowing what time a video was taken can lead investigators to other clues", "He reminds me of the autistic onion news reporter, only it's not a bit", "You can't fool me, I saw StarWars!", "\n>Meanwhile I've been here since 2009 as a daily user and I just keep making new accounts because a ^$#* is out for me\n\nSeems like a weak justification for having a young account", "define \"good\"" ]	144	videos	The hidden background noise that can catch criminals - Tom Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7f9D4KclJw	/r/videos/comments/rkqx1g/david_letterman_shows_us_what_to_do_about/	[ "[This r/tifu post](https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/rk64a2/tifu_by_sending_nudes_to_someone_who_asked_for/) reminded me of this clip.\n\nI remember when this originally broadcast. I know not everyone being extorted has the option to tell the whole world for themselves instead of paying the money, but I really admired his bravery here. I can only imagine what it did to his personal life. He bit the bullet, fessed up, and ruined a scammer's dreams--on national television--and he even managed to make it funny.", "It's crazy because this guy was a producer of 48 hours and was nominated for an emmy while serving time in Rikers Island. now he's a member of the muckraking Project Veritas. kind of fitting. really interesting story though.", "[Joe Halderman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Halderman)", "“Project Veritas” is the perfect example of calling yourself something you are NOT. It’s like tools that have “contractor grade” stamped on them. They’re slightly better than the garbage you’d buy at Harbor Freight but are still garbage. They’re still lying to you.\n\nProject Veritas doesn’t give a shit about the truth. They will fabricate it themselves to fit their agenda, which to me looks an awful lot like fascism. And you’re correct, there’s a reason why people like Halderman gravitate towards them.", "Wait, you admired him for this?\n\nDude cheats on his wife and preys on young interns and literally the only reason he's \"honest\" about it is because he knows it's about to come out anyway and he wants to get ahead of it...and you admire him for it?\n\nThis is the shit Donald Trump does. But because it's someone you like or find funny, suddenly he's the victim?\n\nThe culture of celebrity worship is basically a sickness at this point.", "this Joe Halderman guy didn't even have the consent of the lady who was involved in the affair, he read her diary and tried to profit off her secret.\n\neven so I find it a little tilting that by presenting a worse villain and legitimately portraying himself as a victim Letterman's able to draw applause five seconds after admitting to seriously fucked up behavior. under any other circumstances or from a less charismatic personality we'd have held him accountable to that but he's got people laughing. we're so easy to manipulate\n\nedit\n\nholy shit there's a lot of folks who think it's okay for old rich people to sleep with the people who work for them. look, I might have turned a blind eye to this decades ago because I've never been in either position but the reason I've changed my mind about it is because hundreds of women who were in that position have come forward to say it's fucked up and I believe them. disagree? okay, hi nice to meet you I'm the guy who agrees", "It makes you wonder if the story's they've released were just about the people who refused to pay.", "I agree. What Dave admitted to in that video is comparable to what Louis CK got cancelled for. One is admired, the other blacklisted.", "This episode happened about a decade or more too early. If this came out now he'd be dragged in the press like Louis CK. \n\nIt would probably spur other things to come out too once the mob was angry.", "Yeah for real. Playing his affair with one of his employees for laughs always left a bad taste in my mouth.", "[Sure, here you go](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2009/10/david-letterman-200910)", "Well, to be fair, what Louis CK did was creepy as fuck but, I think, far less bad. Having sex with your employees HAS to be considered worse than requesting that friends, acquaintances, employees, strangers? etc. watch you masturbate.", "Have any of the women said Dave made them uncomfortable? Women do have agency and it's not impossible for someone to want to have sex with someone who is rich and famous and funny and on tv every night. It's similarly not impossible for a boss, especially a famous and on tv every night one, to pressure someone in very gross ways. The men in the media who have gotten in trouble have done that, not just boink someone on their payroll.", "The argument is that if a subordinate wanted to say no, they may not due to fear of consequence. Even if it was never the intention of the \"boss\".\n\n>Have any of the women said Dave made them uncomfortable?\n\n[Yes, actually.](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2009/10/david-letterman-200910)\n\nEdit: ignore the article. I guess a woman describing a toxic sexual work environment isn't important here.", "He knew it was going to get out. So he got ahead of it.", "Because of the implication", "It's essentially the same circumstance except one wants to put his dick in a vagina and the other just wants to jerk it in front of you. The act isn't what's important here.\n\nWhat's important is that in Louis' case it was assumed that since he had authority in the business that these women may be risking their careers to say no. This was basically squashed by a Sarah Silverman [article](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sarah-silverman-louis-ck-masturbate-in-front-of-her-745781/) about Louis' kink.\n\nLouis and Dave were both men with a lot of power in their industry. To \"take advantage\" of that to get laid by subordinates should come with the same stigma. You can't pick and choose.", "and even if she felt 100% cool about it there's just so much asymmetry in their relationship (and age in all likelihood) it borders on teacher/student territory.\n\ndon't date your employees people! especially if you're world famous, rich as hell and not seeking something long-term", "Settle down White Knight. \n\nWhat is his “seriously fucked up behavior?” \n\nThe dude had sex with some women. Did they ever come out and claim anything bad or out of taste went down? \n\nSo held accountable for what? Who appointed you and the rest of the White Knights of Morality to decide he needs to be punished for his own personal life? \n\nDo the rest of society a favor and take a chill pill.", "No. You were asked to provide evidence that he “preyed on young interns.” \n\nWhat you provided, instead, was that there was, according to one person, possibly an uncomfortable atmosphere because of perceived (real or not) benefits to having relationships. \n\nIf you’re going to accuse someone of being a sexual predator (which is what you did) and then say you can back it up (which you did) and then fail to provide even the tiniest bit of evidence (which is what you did), you should just go back to the dark hole you belong in and leave the grown up conversations to the rest of us. \n\nAbsolutely shameful, despicable behavior by you. Accuse someone of being a sexual predator without any evidence but claim you have some.", "He didn’t prey on anyone. You’re making that shit up out of thin air to fit your narrative and lies. Stop.", "“The act isn’t what’s important here.” \n\nWtf are you talking about? All we are talking about is acts!! \n\nOr are you one of these assholes who now wants to move on from your bullshit of persecuting people who have only done things you don’t like (like have sex) to actually persecuting them for thought crimes? \n\nYou Twitter mob need to find a deserted island.", "Letterman classed it up. Sure, he made a mistake, but had he denied it, it could have been much worse. Jussie Smollett should take a cue from this guy. Own up to your mistakes, apologize, and people are pretty forgiving.", "...just imagine that someone actually wrote all this. Unironically. Jesus Christ.\n\nLike I said: celebrity worship is a sickness. And some people are really fucking sick.", "You are completely misunderstanding my comments. I'm not condemning Dave. I'm condemning those who admire Dave but condemned Louis CK. \n\nCheck what I put in quotes, and when I specify \"the argument was\" or \"it was assumed\". That's to clarify they were not my argument. It's also why I mentioned the Sarah Silverman [article](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sarah-silverman-louis-ck-masturbate-in-front-of-her-745781/) that basically squashed that opinion.\n\nTo clarify, when I said the act is not important, I meant the specific type of sexual act. Not whether or not a sexual act occured. The act is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.", "it sounds like youre going to hurt these girls", "When you receive information about someone that could be extremely damaging to that person's career, your options are as follows:\n\n1. Keep it to yourself.\n2. Advise the person that this information is out there and give them an opportunity to get ahead of it.\n3. Share it with the media, anonymously or otherwise.\n4. Blackmail the person and try to get money.\n\nThis person, Joe Halderman, according to the above posts, chose the latter course. And, it backfired, spectacularly. It gave David Letterman a chance to get ahead of it, and recast himself as the victim in this scenario. Letterman made a clean breast of the thing, publicly apologized for his actions, and pledged to do better going forward. That speech, and his public actions afterward, resuscitated his career and his relationship. Because he put forth an image that he was honest, and he was willing to change, he made Halderman and those who tried to profit from Letterman's mistakes the bad guys. And from that high ground, Letterman was able to defeat them.\n\nContrast that with Donald Trump, who has been charged repeatedly with varied and sundry offenses of sexual misconduct throughout the years. He has addressed all of these charges by ignoring them completely. He has continually given the impression that he is above all that, that he can do what he wants, and there is no penalty. And, yes, there are a lot of people who applaud him for that, but there are a lot more who are disgusted by his behavior. But, what works for a billionaire businessman from New York City doesn't work so well for a comedian from Indiana. \n\nBoth men knew what they had to do to keep their careers moving forward. David Letterman needed to change. Donald Trump needed to do nothing. Both approaches succeeded.", "Being misleading might help ya feel like you scored a point on the internet but it's not particularly convincing. \n\nWe were clearly discussing women he had sex with. That article is written by someone who says he never made an advance at her, much less slept with her. Her complaints were all based on ambiguous rumors and, while saying women need to be treated with respect, admits she was and didn't take any opportunity to address her situation. \n\nI get that sex is tricky and that there are bosses that take advantage of their underlings in really, terribly gross ways. But even ignoring your desire to be misleading and accepting all of this lady's perceptions based on rumors as 100% fact, vaguely murky office politics is still leaps and bounds different than what folk like Lauer or Weinstein were accused of.", "No doubt he got ahead", "I'm not trying to be misleading. I saw that article shared by another commenter, skimmed it, and didn't realize she hadn't slept with Dave. I also wasn't confirming claims. Just that claims have been made.\n\nEither way, you said, \"Have any of the women *said* Dave made them uncomfortable?\". This may not be a firsthand account, but it's something. You also never specified in your comment anything implying a woman staffer made sexually uncomfortable wouldn't apply.\n\nBy the way, I'm not condemning Dave. Just pointing out it's the same people supporting him here that threw Louis CK under the bus for similar behavior.", "Who is worshipping anybody here? You made very serious accusations about a person, and provided a pretty terrible article that contained zero evidence as a source.", "This is a good point. This is different than sexual harassment. It was all consensual. Still fucked up, but I don't think Dave can be #metooed.", "I think Dave earned points for stepping out in front of this before it got out of control. Sure, it's sleazy and disrespectful behavior. I'm not really sure why Dave got a pass here, especially from his wife, and from the public. Hell, he'd be fired today I think. But, I at least always respected him owning up to it here, rather than denying it.", "Additionally it's the secret relationships between boss and the subordinate that are problematic. \n\nInforming the HR department is the correct way to have a relationship. If there is noting unethical going on, going to HR and informing that \"I'm having relationship with my secretary\" should not be a problem.", "Yeah I felt truly uncomfortable with the audience reaction to him telling the story, laughing and applauding him.\n\nThe guy's a sex predator.\n\nsmh.", "I hope you realize that the article that you likely Googled without reading provides literally zero evidence that he \"preys on young interns\".", "Well you certainly wouldn't be in any danger.", "Exactly. Many are unaware there is a form of sexual hostility in the workplace known as \"sexual favoritism\". Even though it should be obvious.", "Yo, you're retarded.", "Who are these people roaring laughing at every fucking word he says?? Like, he’s not saying not trying to say something funny yet these idiots are rolling around laughing.", "OH NO, PEOPLE HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE. HURRR.", "They don't realize he's being serious yet, numnuts.", "I really hate that YouTube pays more for ads on videos over 10 minutes. So many videos dragged out to take up 10 minutes when they have no right to be so damned long.", "I use AdBlock Plus, I've never seen an ad on YouTube.", "\"All sex is rape.\"", "\"Oh look, someone made someone uncomfortable once. Let's slap them with a rape charge.\"", "Ublock origin on pc/mac and ad guard on iOS. Same. Yet YouTube still pays creators more so everything is longer than it should be.", "\"All power imbalances are bad and all sexual relationships between people of different power levels is rape.\"", "I don’t give two shits about Letterman. \n\nI care about dishonesty, liars, and people who make a habit out of accusing others of very serious things without even the tiniest bit of evidence.", "I never said to do those things. If you read my other comments you'll see I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in the commenters who \"admire\" Dave for this situation, but mocked and cancelled Louis CK for similar behavior.", "Do you then go to their Patreon and support the youtubers who make the content you love? No? You're a thief. Not sure why you adblock people are so in love with not supporting people who literally spend their life making videos for you to enjoy. I get that the ads are annoying but you're getting a FREE video. Would you expect your neighbor to fix your roof for free just because you think paying for it is annoying?", "People need to stop linking articles they havent read.", "The people they report on are certainly that quality, but I generally am a fan of journalists exposing corruption. Lots of important people have done a great job convincing people that Project Veritas is some kind of fraud because they expose corruption and humiliate people without permission from on high. For example they have exposed a second producer at CNN (Rick Saleeby) that had been texting his fantasies of molesting his fiance's daughter.\n\nScrew that, fight the man and expose bad people!", "I don't believe there are any accusations of extortion against Project Veritas.", "I did skim it. Besides, it wasn't even the point of my comment. I added the article later with an edit after seeing it linked in another comment.\n\nYou can keep focusing on this one article, but the purpose of my comment is above it and accurate.", "You seem to have inferred that his relationships were coerced. That is possible in this situation, but is not automatic. It’s possible to have a purely consensual relationship too.\n\nOr possibly you’re just a Puritan and refer to sex outside of marriage as “seriously fucked up behavior.” It’s actually pretty fucking common, and not against the law.", "Louie CK engaged in some unusual sexual kinks either wholly without consent or while assuming that silence was consent. Letterman’s admission of engaging in sex does not itself imply lack of consent - even when it is with a co-worker. Absent an allegation by a victim, there is no reason to assume there was a victim here.", "Just some of their members. Like Joe Halderman.", "What evidence do you have that they're fabricating stories to fit their agenda? They've done a number of good undercover stories how exactly are they garbage?", "No argument there, the guy was scum to do what he did and I am not a fan of a news organization hiring him.", "While I agree Louis' kink is a little unusual - I assure you that there is not one case of him doing that with anyone who did not consent.\n\nWhether they gave consent under duress due to Louis' perceived power in the industry - that's what can be debated. Every woman said yes. There are one or two mentioned in the NYT article that said no and Louis backed off. Even apologizing for asking and saying he's \"kind of fucked up\".\n\nThere was a single accusation where a woman claims to think Louis was masturbating during a phone call she had with him, but nobody but Louis could know for sure.\n\nYour claims about no consent or using \"silence as consent\" are unfounded.", "The problem is for every valid story Veritas puts out, you get 10 stories [like this](https://www.insidernj.com/murphy-ciattarelli-truth-project-veritas/) [or this](https://www.fox9.com/news/subject-of-project-veritas-voter-fraud-story-says-he-was-offered-bribe) [or this](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/james-okeefe/546869/).\n\nI also find it interesting that there's almost zero stories about the CNN producer from anything I'd consider a legitimate news source.", "Nope. \n\nWomen reported that he asked for consent but started without necessarily waiting for a response. They may have even been trying to figure out whether he was serious. That’s not a yes. He also masturbated over the phone with women thst became aware he was doing it during the act. There’s no consent there either.\n\nI can understand how and why Louie CK rationalized his behavior, but he did cross some lines in terms of consent.", "That's YouTubes problem not mine, I never signed a contract or had verbal agreement that I would pay people for the videos they upload. If I asked someone to fix my roof, then there would expectations of compensation for the work. If they don't want to upload videos because I use ad block, then so be it.", "[you are incorrect](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vulture.com/amp/2019/11/louis-c-k-accuser-speaks-out-on-consent.html)", ">en thst became aware he was doing it during the act. There’s no consent there either.\n\nHere Here!", "I grew up with the girl this happened to. She kind of dropped off the radar after this.", ">Started without necessarily waiting for a response\n\nThat's an assumption. The NYT article claims the women didn't think he was serious. Not that they didn't consent.\n\n>When Louis C.K. invited them to hang out in his hotel room for a nightcap after their late-night show, they did not think twice. The bars were closed and they wanted to celebrate. He was a comedian they admired. The women would be together. His intentions seemed collegial.\n\n>As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.\n\n>They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”\n\nEven in the article you shared she clarified by only again repeating that they didn't think he was serious.\n\nThat's not a no. It's also not silence. It's two women who agreed to something without thinking it through. Even in their story he didn't lock or block a door. They sat there laughing until he finished. They describe it as uncomfortable laughing etc, but how could Louis know? They didn't leave when they could have. They stayed until the end.\n\nOnce again, we can talk about the power dynamic in their business and whether that compelled them to not leave the room. You can't say they didn't consent though.", "Yeah, it is interesting. We'll see what comes of it because if they are fabricating it in any way CNN could sue them out of existence. They haven't yet lost a lawsuit (outside of the one related to O'Keefe saying no one from ACORN called the police when one person had he was unaware of, which O'Keefe apologized for) and not any of their material has yet been proven to be edited or fraudulent. Considering if they were it would be easy to prove, that gives me confidence in them.\n\nFor that first article they published a video of two advisors to some politician named Murphy that admitted he would instate vaccine mandates if he was elected governor. I think that article claiming that undercover journalists need to identify themselves as journalists needs to look up undercover. I don't see anything wrong with that.\n\nThe second story was them simply posting snapshot videos that a person posted. Not sure what is wrong about that.\n\nThe third story is conjecture about a woman claiming to be impregnated by Roy Moore that they assume was working with project Veritas because she visited their office. Like how project Veritas was offered Biden's daughter's diary, which they bought but refused to publish it, then attempted to return it; which got them raided by the FBI for their good faith they get fairly unfair treatment.\n\nEdit: for the downvoters, pedophiles in media and other powerful positions are generally protected for years if not decades despite signs here and there. If PV has indeed exposed one then the silence from other media is par for the course. If this is somehow fraudulent they'll have hell to pay and I'll gladly say my confidence in them was wrong. Consider that.", "No, they realized others will pay them more to destroy their targets than they could ever get through blackmail, and even if you get caught you can just keep going back for more.", "You can admire one thing while completely disapproving of other things.\n\nFor example i admire the Germans for being honest about the second World war atrocities and trying to prevent them from happening again but i do not admire the atrocities.\n\nThis is compared to the Japanese atrocities that they have tried to hide or downplay.", "There is absolutely nothing in that article that implies there was a “yes”. You are inferring something that isn’t claimed too.\n\nFrankly it doesn’t even matter whether Louie actually asked for and recieved an overt “yes” before beginning, because the difference between him and Letterman is that women are speaking out claiming non consent. There is no corresponding allegation with Letterman. \n\nThe closest thing to it was a female writer who claimed Letterman never hit on her personally, but that she was aware of numerous relationships between males at Letterman’s show (including Letterman himself) and female staffers. She complained that those in relationships wielded power and influence beyond what was appropriate to their positions, inferring that the way to get ahead and get noticed within the Letterman culture was through sex. She also said some things that directly undermined her claims, including that she submitted written jokes for a stay-at-home position and didn’t get a callback, and that Letterman himself told her she was always welcome to return when she quit. It’s true that her allegations may be indicative of a hostile work environment, but she was not directly harassed by anyone. And certainly not by Letterman.", "The concept behind it is, like a relationship between a student and a teacher, even where both people would say 'it's consensual,' the student would be unable to give consent because of the power dynamic between them and the teacher. It's an extension of the 'purported consent doesn't matter if the person is not competent to provide it' concept that is the reasoning behind statutory rape laws. I'm not going to talk about my personal views on any of it here, just wanted to explain in case it would help.", "> Joe Halderman\n\nlol and now he's a grifter with Project Veritas", "Look at Bill Hicks. For a lot of people, it's the framing that makes comedy, not the content.", "Since you clearly didn’t bother to read the link I privided, here are some salient quotes:\n\nJulia Wolov, one half of the comedy team Dana & Julia, wrote a piece for Canadian Jewish News this week, and its title gets right to the point: “Counterpoint: I Didn’t Consent to Louis C.K. Masturbating in Front of Me.”\n\nContrary to Breslin’s accounting, what C.K. did was not done with consent. We never agreed nor asked him to take all his clothes off and masturbate to completion in front of us.* But it didn’t matter because the exciting part for him was the fear on our faces,” Wolov writes.\n\nLike it or not the allegation of non-consent is there. And it is fucking direct.", ">There is absolutely nothing in that article that implies there was a “yes”. \n\nThere is also nothing in either article to imply there was a \"no\" or \"silence\". The articles are vague in saying the women \"laughed it off\".\n\nIf they thought he was joking then I'm assuming \"laughing it off\" is more like \"playing along\". If they were overtly shocked by his actions you'd think they would leave the room or tell him to stop once it was apparent he was for real. Not sit there laughing.\n\nMy point is it isn't clear there was no consent. Even in the article you shared there is no detailed description for how the women responded to the question. Just that they laughed it off and stayed the whole time.\n\nYes, there are no direct accusations for Dave, but this was before MeToo and we've also only heard the story from Dave himself. If those women had come out when this aired it wouldn't get the attention of today. It probably would have killed their careers.\n\nI'll also mention that Dave was married during these hookups. Kind of sways my scumbag meter for him.", "The problem with your assertion is that it deprives women of the ability to consent. I’m unwilling to go that far. \n\nI can support women who make a claim of impropriety due to power dynamics. But when nobody even claims to be a victim I will not rob women of their autonomy to meaningfully consent.", "Wolov directly stated she did not consent. Full stop. Quit your bullshit.", "Yes, this woman is saying there is no consent. Years after the fact.\n\nShe never explains how they reacted in your article. Just explains that \"his thrill was the fear on our faces\". How would she know that?\n\nHe asked, they \"laughed it off\", they continued to sit there laughing uncomfortably the whole time. Then after the fact she explains the horrors of what happened. But never left.\n\nIf Louis CK asked my wife if he could take his penis out and she laughed it off, then didn't leave until he was done - it wouldn't be Louis I'd be upset with.\n\nEdit: I would have included more direct quotes from the NYT article, but it appears I'm out of free views.", "She states that years later in an article, but never clarifies how the women responded to his request other than \"we laughed it off\".\n\nThat's the only explanation we ever get.", "Wtf are you talking about? According to the account in that article, they did not* consent. They may not have voiced a clear objection, but they absolutely did not give consent. \n\nIf someone says “hey can I smash your phone with a hammer?” And you reply “hahahaha… what” because you’re caught off guard by the extremely unusual request and then they grab your phone and smash it, it doesn’t mean you gave them consent.", "That's true, but we don't get enough info to know if they said, \"hahaha...what?\" Or what really happened. Just a vague, \"we laughed it off and stayed to watch him finish while laughing the whole time\".", "I mean his wife probably considered the behavior a little fucked up lol.", "Because he was being called out. He didn't do this voluntarily.", "They were explicitly asked for consent, and they didn’t say yes or provide any other type of definitively affirmative response or gesture.", "Okay. Like I said, I'm not getting into my views, just the concepts the argument is based around.", ">They were explicitly asked for consent \n\nYup\n\n>they didn’t say yes or provide any other type of definitively affirmative response or gesture. \n\nWe don't know.", "If you’re accepting the article that you quoted as an accurate account of what happened then we do know.", "This was my thought. There is zero apology here to anyone that he has hurt? He admits that his behavior was creepy but does not talk about remorse whatsoever. Just interesting to compare how different things are now.", "You imply those who are questioning the ethics are somehow dumb, yet you won't use any critical thinking at all and attempt to simplify the entire situation to \"men and women have sex\", and ignore all the other social factors at play. Aside from adultery, which is an issue between him and his wife, having sex with subordinates is not ethical at all.", "No, because it's too vague. On the one part where detail is absolutely necessary they glossed over it. \"We laughed it off\". That could mean 100 things. Some positive, some negative.", "Except when he clearly wasn't joking and flat out said what he was being blackmailed for, they cheered and laughed. Felt bad for his wife, possibly the only victim here (we dont know the circumstances around his affairs with subordinates), here her husband is admitting to being unfaithful to millions of people, and they applaud and cheer.", "The article does not indicate in any way that they gave consent. Maybe the article is incorrect, and it’s omitting something they said or did that would provide consent, but if we are going off the article as it’s written and assuming it to be accurate then they didn’t give consent.", "This was so boss", "I don’t remember trump ever admitting anything he’d done wrong, ever. Ever.", "People have sex. Most of the time, they want to and enjoy it.", "I'm going to end this here because we just keep going in circles. The article doesn't provide adequate detail to really decide either way. All we know is he asked and they \"laughed it off\".\n\nIt's also the only accusation of him doing this without consent. The women themselves explained that they sat there the whole time watching and howling with laughter. This doesn't seem forced or aggressive based on their own retelling.\n\nThe NYT article basically Seinfeld \"yadah yadah yadah's\" over their response to his question. They \"laughed it off\". \n\nYou have to remember this is a room full of comedians. They may have given a jokey unclear response. They may have legitimately thought he was kidding and \"joked\" they wanted him to whip it out. It's just too unclear.\n\nWe can keep mining these articles for more, but there's just not enough information to know either way. Were both just going to keep sticking to our guns and wasting our times.\n\nHave a good day.", "They will then take away a lot of the management power you have over the person you’re in a relationship with.", "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\\_Veritas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas)\n\nThis has been well-known by anyone who doesn't exclusively follow right-wing propaganda rags.", "I mean that’s all fine, but all of the scenarios you’re using as examples require the article to be incorrect. \n\nLaughing it off in response to being directly asked for consent is not providing consent. If they did in fact provide consent in any meaningful way, describing it as laughing it off is a false portrayal of the events. If they did provide consent then the account provided in the article is objectively inaccurate- either through a false portrayal of events or through omission. \n\nI have no idea what actually happened or whether the article is accurate. The possible scenarios you listed may very well have happened. I’m just saying that the according to the article as it’s written they objectively did not give consent.", "Gotta defend that CK at every opportunity. He did nothing wrong! JFK got away with it!\n\nStop. He was never funny to begin with, there's nothing to save. \n\nYou only thought his later comedy was insightful is because you recognized yourself in his creepy, huddled, dead personality. I hope you escape that well if you have not already.\n\nYou should try watching his early stuff from the Comedy Central Presents days. Then you'll see that nothing of value was lost.", "I think the blackmail is an important factor in that distinction but if so that can be manufactured. CK's manager also threatened the comics he jerked off on if they ever said anything but comic circles are tight.", "We don't know anything about the nature of their relationship. Open marriages are a thing, and it's no one's business but theirs.", "So you're attacking his comedy? How is that relevant to sexual misconduct? Then you tell me to watch his early stuff to prove his comedy is bad? As if comedians don't tend to get better as time goes on and they find their voice?\n\nI'm sorry. Did you have a point? Other than you don't like Louis CK?", "It's relevant because he does not need an army of sycophants trying to resurrect his career. He can go work at a Burger King or something and save the drama for his manager.", "I mean, are the behaviors similar? Louis made women who he had some power of uncomfortable by masterbating in front of them without explicit consent (as I recall.) Dave had sex with people he also had power over with no word on if they were happy with the arrangement. \n\nThe big difference is that presumably Dave made his partners happy while Louis didn't really have willing partners at all. Surely that difference makes all the difference in the world.", "As they should.", "Is that what I am? A member of the Louis sycophant army? Hardly.\n\nI wouldn't be shocked if the guy had children locked in his basement. I just haven't seen proof. Comedians are troubled people. Especially those with his type of humor.\n\nI just can't stand hypocrites who will see this video and call Dave brave and admirable, but ignore that he's probably guilty of similar misconduct as Louis was blacklisted for. At the least, Dave was married during his escapades.\n\nI just remember during the Louis debacle the debate was all about power dynamic in the workplace. As if I didn't meet my wife at work like many healthy couples do. It's where people meet.", "Not when the big accusation around Louis all had to do with power dynamic in the workplace. The argument was that by even asking when you have authority like Louis did in comedy that the woman may be scared to say no due to fear of consequence.\n\nEven if the \"boss\" in the situation had no intentions of punishing them either way.", "I don't know what Dave really did. As it's described 10 years later, it doesn't sound illegal or non-consensual, but I'm open to the idea that it was worse. \n\nI do however know at least some of what Louis did, and once the penny dropped I was glad to see the back of him -- provided he still had pants on.", "Uncomfortable group laughter.", "TL;DW?", "The ol blurry lines defence. It would have been almost plausible If the manager had never threatened their careers afterwards. That this is something ck does. That the manager has to hide in order to keep a paycheck. I also don't think it would've come out if Louis didn't get caught stealing material. Like if everyone continued thinking he was a genius they would be like \"just let him ejaculate on you\". I think a lot of his fans feel that way. Like \"he's a genius you should be honored.\" If he's not a genius and he's stealing material from less famous comics and calling them to hang out with him and then surprise ejaculating on them and his manager than threatens that he's going to distroy their career if they talk. why put up with that guy?", "I agree fully with the fact that we don't know what happened. Nevertheless, there is a stark difference between the Louis CK situation where women have said they felt uncomfortable with what happened to them personally and did not consent vs. the Letterman situation where literally nobody has made that kind of assertion or complaint.", ">As it's described 10 years later, it doesn't sound illegal or non-consensual, but I'm open to the idea that it was worse. \n\nI'm not saying one is worse than the other. Dave's story sounded innocent enough(other than cheating on his wife) but we also only heard his version. In Louis' case we only heard from accusers.\n\nMy point is that in Louis' case it became a blurry debate about if consent is possible in a work environment where there is a power dynamic. NYT listed many women who claimed to give consent, but because they were worried it would affect their career. I can only imagine those same thoughts went through the minds of anyone sleeping with David Letterman at his studio if it was in all the minds of women involved with Louis CK who worked in comedy.\n\nI'm not condemning either man. I'm condemning those who want to pick and choose when morality matters.", "I saw Louis CK about 9 months after the whole thing exploded when he was on his comeback tour.\n\nHe opened with this.\n\n\"If you are ever in a situation where you have this compulsion to masturbate in front of another woman and you ask her if it's okay and she assures you that she won't be offended by it and that she is totally cool with it...\n\nStill Don't Do It.", "Social awkwardness and embarrasment can come out as laughter. When people feel that way and don't know how to get it out they laugh nervously. I remember when a school teacher died and it was announced to the school kids were all giggling because they didn't know if it was real or how to react.\n\nIn this case though maybe it sounds like a joke Dave is setting up.", ">and then surprise ejaculating on them\n\nWhy can't anyone help themselves when it comes to making up details about the Louis stuff? \n\nI'm not defending the manager. That's a terrible thing to do. Do we know if Louis put him up to it? Did the manager get blacklisted, or just Louis?", "Too long, idgaf", "I still feel so conflicted about Letterman. I just think of all the times he'd book celebs that had some recent scandal (Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan come to mind) only to completely humiliate them in front of an audience and national TV. I mostly get that this was fashionable at the time but looking back it's aged like milk. Also you know he just casually brushes off his relationships with staffers when you know damn well they all had that fear in the back of their mind they'd be fired and blacklisted if they said no. It really is just like Harvey Weinstein.", "Dude, women can't just simply make decisions for themselves. They are delicate leaves floating on the whimsical winds of power dynamics. If a man is their boss or more successful in the same industry they can basically mind control women to have sex with them, which we know from Jessica Jones is wrong because the bad guy there does that.\n\nPlus, everyone knows you got to do whatever your boss asks. When my manager at McDonalds makes me wash his Kia Sorento wearing a thong bikini, it doesn't matter that I'm an overweight man in the cold Minnesota weather, I do it. What's the alternative, I work at the Arbys across the street?", "Well he didn't jerk off on anyone, he jerked off in front of them.", "Wikipedia tends to have a very biased and leftist lean on certain politically related pages and anyone paying attention can see it there. Their videos speak for themselves and the amount of censorship surrounding them is literally big tech trying to suppress their information because of their politically leanings.\n\n[CNN Project Veritas](https://youtu.be/Dv8Zy-JwXr4)\n\nCNN head literally talking about how their channel intentionally manipulated their audience during the presidential election to get their desired result. How do people really help protect and cover the scandals project veritas reveals?", "Your an abject fucking moron", "I'm not sure that he was married when this stuff took place. He was married from 68-77 and again since 2009, and this video was in 2009. On Wikipedia it only lists one instance of anyone coming out of this saying they had sex with him, and that was in the early 90s. Is he really admitting to being unfaithful?", "Hahah James O'Keefe is garbage. And nice whataboutism to tie it all together", "Attacks the character not the content. So again I’ll ask, what’s the problem with James O’keefe? Lot of people seem to have a problem just waiting for someone to actually articulate it so I can understand.", ">I’m just saying that the according to the article as it’s written they objectively did not give consent.\n\nThis is not correct. The article, or at least what I saw quoted, doesn't mention if they consented. If I tell someone I use the restroom to take a piss, you can't say \"he objectively didn't wash his hands!\" just because I didn't explicitly mention it. Just because something isn't clear or isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it didn't happen.", ">If Louis CK asked my wife if he could take his penis out and she laughed it off, then didn't leave until he was done - it wouldn't be Louis I'd be upset with.\n>\n\nIf Louis was directly responsible for your wife advancing in her field, would you feel differently? Or even if she felt like he was?\n\nWay to keep defending sexual assault", "Laughing off a difficult situation is not yes, it an attempt to not make a sexually aggressive man angry.", "Who would?", "> They’re slightly better than the garbage you’d buy at Harbor Freight but are still garbage. \n\nhey, i got a drill press at harborfreight in 2007 and it still works to this day, used it hundreds of times.", "You said the wiki was biased and left leaning. No sources will be good enough for you", "Harbor Freight is where I buy my best tools and where I buy my worst tools. \n\nIt's also convenient when I can buy a tool for the same price the Home Despot will rent it for.", "Is it not a laugh track?", "How do you know? Are you privy to their personal relationship? \n\nAnd even if she did, what’s it to you? That’s their business, not yours.", "[unherd](https://youtu.be/l0P4Cf0UCwU)\n\nI wouldn’t blindly trust Wikipedia as a politically unbiased source.", "chido", "If an article says “Xralius used the toilet and then exited the bathroom” then, according to the article, you didn’t wash your hands. It’s fully possible that you did wash your hands, and the article was incorrect by omission. We can’t say you objectively did or didn’t wash your hands, but we can objectively say that according to the article’s account of the events you didn’t wash your hands. Using that with that article, with that specific phrasing, as proof that you did wash your hands would be foolish and accomplish nothing. \n\nIn the quoted article’s account of the event, at no point is it stated that the women gave consent- thus, according to the article they did not give consent. This is different than according to the article they objected or definitively refused consent. It’s just saying the objectively according to the article there is no reason to determine they gave consent- if the events are accurate as described. This does not mean that I can objectively say they did or did not give consent- the article could be wrong and is not exhaustive enough to draw definitive conclusions.", ">when you know damn well they all had that fear in the back of their mind they'd be fired and blacklisted\n\nAccording to his staffers this wasn't the case. They thought they might get ahead if they did sleep with him, and that those he did sleep with got preferential treatment, but didn't fear for their jobs for not sleeping with him. That is what they THOUGHT about it. Nobody was pressured over fear of losing their job. \n\nYou can rail against that, hostile work environment, or toxic, etc. All that jazz. What you can't do is make shit up, or compare this to Weinstein whipping his dick out and cornering women.", "Yes, but that makes it a not-good thing (which I think most agree with) - vs being evil.", "I wonder how evil Dave's wife thought it was.", "You can't admit a mistake. \n\n\nDon't care to listen to you.", "> I guess a woman describing a toxic sexual work environment isn't important here.\n\nYou had a biased belief, you googled what you wanted to find, thought you found it and didn't read it, posted it, get called out, and refuse to admit your mistake and instead move the goal post in your cheeky little edit.", "I would hope my wife wouldn't participate in any sexual activities with other men regardless of if her job may be riding on it. In that situation I would be more upset with her boss than her ONLY if she left the room when he exposed himself.", ">If an article says “Xralius used the toilet and then exited the bathroom” then, according to the article, you didn’t wash your hands. \n\nI mean it also didn't say that I zipped up my pants, are you going to assume I left with my pants down / unzipped?\n\nNo. If it said \"used the toilet and immediately exited the bathroom\", or \"used the toilet and exited without washing his hands\" you'd be correct. Otherwise it's not \"objective\".\n\nYou can't assume something wasn't done because an article doesn't explicitly say it was done.", "Every environment I have ever worked in was toxic for one reason or another, and if a woman was jealous that another woman was willingly banging Dave and she thought she was getting ahead behind it......Meh.", "I didn't Google the article. It was posted in this very thread by another commenter. Look around.\n\nI don't know what you mean by my \"cheeky\" edit. Are you referring to when I added the article? Or when I said to ignore the article?\n\nThe article may not be what I initially thought it was, but I did acknowledge that. It's you and others who are pretending since I misrepresented the article that it has no merit in this discussion.\n\nWould you care to respond to the top half of my comment which is the real substance and my initial purpose of commenting?", "him having to pay $100k to the woman from ACORN he smeared. \n\n\n>The AG’s report highlighted how Mr. O’Keefe edited his videos to appear as if he was engaging in his ACORN hi-jinks wearing “stereotypical 1970’s pimp garb”, the intent being to suggest that ACORN employees would willingly do business with someone dressed in this manner. However, it turns out that O’Keefe was actually wearing a coat and tie when he entered the ACORN offices. The report also stated that ACORN employees “may be able to bring a private suit against O’Keefe and Giles for recording a confidential conversation.”\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/", "He used his position of power to sleep with women that otherwise would not have slept with him. Its okay because he got to pretend to be a victim by getting someone arrested that was going to out him.\n\n\nLet this be a lesson to you idiot black mailers. Don't. Just come out with the details and cash in. Sell the stuff to TMZ as long as it wasn't illegally obtained your golden. If your evidence was illegally obtained do what you can to get non illegally obtained evidence and only sell that stuff.", "I admire dave for how he handled this situation, and never mocked or cancelled Louis CK. \n\n\nLike em both. Both are hilarious, and like to fuck with consenting women. The difference between this two is Dave didn't apologize, so he wasn't cancelled. If he tried to play the apology tour game.....he would have been ruined.", "I wasn't quoting you. I was mocking people like that in support of your point.", "Even if relationships are consensual it gets a bit sketchy when you’re sleeping with people that work for you. To borrow a phrase for Its Always Sunny, “It’s about the implication.” \n\nDan Harmon spoke about [his abuse](https://youtu.be/WfqoLeDsET0) of this power dynamic in one the most sincere apologies I’ve ever heard. The victim in that instance has even publicly forgiven him since rather than distract or redirect, he openly admitted to all of his wrongdoings and his realization of the harmful effects they had.", "Now try to imagine you're locked in a room with someone asking you to perform sexual favors, and they have very real, explicit power over you in your life, and they're likely physically imposing.\n\nThe situation is far different than you seem to be envisioning.", "Louis had explicit consent. He straight asked them, and they said yes. Stayed and watched the whole show. Louis wasn't their employer, he didn't have power of them. \n\n\nThe real difference is, Dave didn't apologize for his consenting relationships. Louis did.", "What workplace? They are independent artists. They were not his employees. \n\n\nWe can pretend that he might have been able to help their career or hurt their career...maybe he could have, maybe not...but that isn't the same as being in charge of their career.", "Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it isnt funny. some of those were references to jokes earlier in the show, and others are more subtle.", ">If Louis CK asked my wife if he could take his penis out and she laughed it off, then didn't leave until he was done - it wouldn't be Louis I'd be upset with.\n\nGood point.", "Louis wasn't directly responsible for advancing their careers, or hindering it. \n\n\nIf someone asks if they can jerk off in front of you, you say yes, gets completely naked, jerks off until they cum...... \n\n\nYou were not sexually assaulted.", "This was before people had to apologize for unpopular activity. If this happened now he would be given a pre-written apology by the network.\n\nI like them both too. I'm just making points about the similarities and how people are deciding right/wrong based on who they like and don't.", "I don't know if David Letterman showed me anything, but his Audience gave a masterclass in inappropriate laugh timing. \n\n\"I'm getting blackmailed.\"\n\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-Haaaaa!\n\n\"2 million dollars.\" \nOh-uh, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-Haaaaaaa", "My mistake", "Hope your days are as bright as you are, champ. \n\nIf you hear the word \"dense\" a lot, I wouldn't worry too much.", "Understandable, sorry! Wish people didn't downvote you.", ">Now try to imagine you're locked in a room with someone asking you to perform sexual favors\n\nOk. What does this have to do with the Louis CK situation? The door wasn't blocked or locked and he didn't ask them to do anything. They could have said \"No\" \"Stop\" or left. I would expect my wife to do one or all three of those. Regardless if it meant she was unemployed tomorrow.", "Then you won't believe what I'm dealing with from other commenters\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkqx1g/david_letterman_shows_us_what_to_do_about/hpcz8qt", "I'm used to it.", "What an incredibly privileged point of view.", ">I'll also mention that Dave was married during these hookups.\n\nThat is between him and his wife. None of your business.", "Staying while he takes off his shoes, socks, shirt, pants, underwear, lays down butt naked and jerks off until he cums.... \n\n\nIt's a yes. They were asked, didn't say no, and stayed for the WHOLE SHOW. \n\n\nNo refunds because they didn't like the show.", "You're right. The info is out there though. Just saying it's not a victimless act.\n\nBtw, I just wanna throw out there that I like the cut of your jib. You've been responding to a lot of my comments. Agreeing with some, disagreeing with others. Other commenters just have their heels dug in on an opinion and are using semantics and other BS to prove me wrong.\n\nI can tell you're thinking about each point independently and giving genuine opinions for each. Like a real discussion should be. Good on ya.", "I'm sorry my standards are higher than my wife working a job that amounts to sexual slavery.", "I'm sorry that your wife needs to spend her days with someone with no empathy and no ability to perceive situations they've no experience in.", ">I'm sorry that your wife needs to spend her days with someone with no empathy and no ability to perceive situations they've no experience in.\n\nMy wife doesn't need to do anything. Are you implying women have no agency?", "Always a sure sign of someone that's confident in their stance, begin to attack semantics. Hopefully you're able to get some perspective before someone close to you requires it.\n\nI'd say have a good day, but you're bending over backwards to defend sexual assault, so...eh", ">someone with no empathy and no ability to perceive situations they've no experience in. \n\nYou started with the attacks.", "“The” \n\n\nHahahhahahhhahhahahahhah", "Stephanie Birkitt right? She was an intern and then an assistant seemingly overnight?", "Talk show audiences are primed to behave this way. See Kramer coming on the very same show to apologize for saying the N word and getting laughter as Jerry Seinfeld tries to tell the audience that it's not funny. Comedy gold.", "That was kind of the show. His audience laughed like there was a gas leak.", "?", "There's definitely a #MeToo conversation to be had here which he uses comedy to dance around. Times changed, which doesn't mean any of it was appropriate then either, but that we didn't hold people accountable when we had the opportunity to do so. We can dish on him now of course, but his career is already simmering out.", "What I do about blackmail is don't do anything blackmailable", "Yes because cross-power relationships are ALWAYS coercive, NEVER consensual, right? \n\nYAWWWWWN. So woke.\n\n> hundreds of women who were in that position have come forward to say it's fucked up\n\nad populum fallacy.\n\nhundreds of millions of people not coming forward think it's not necessarily fucked up. But you'd argue that doesn't make it more correct, I bet.\n\nalso why the sexism? if a female boss does it to a male it's the same thing, riiiiiiiiight? Again YAWN.", "your concept is based on ignorance: a subordinate and their superior can have a relationship without it being an issue.\n\nthese younger generations have really been beaten into submission by social media microscopes on their \"lives\" eh?", "you don't even know what happened, but don't let that get in the way of your opinion", "> Even if relationships are consensual it gets a bit sketchy when you’re sleeping with people that work for you.\n\nYou definitely sound like someone who's been fucking lots of subordinates.\n\nYou then bring up a bunch of tangents and whatever, while not bringing up power dynamics being the cause for whole lotta boning throughout history.\n\nControversial! The person in charge getting some!", "You're actually defending this fucking retard? Choosing the actions of one lunatic to discount the years of abuse? Now that's comedy!", "As well as many ultra rich / elite marriages are business relationships and not personal/sexual in nature.\n\nsome people don't care as long as it doesn't screw with the public image and in this case it did", "All the many issues aside, someone moving from intern (which is what I assume you meant) to assistant is hardly rare or unexpected.", "Using your time machine.", "Um, wow. That’s quite the jump. I’ve never slept with anyone that’s worked for me. Not sure where in the hell this is even coming from. Did you even take two seconds to google the This American Life episode where Megan Ganz gives her opinion on the situation? Overreactions like yours are the reason abuses like this are dismissed.", "> I mostly get that this was fashionable at the time\n\nyou don't really know shit about letterman if you think what he did was \"fashionable.\"\n\nHe was originally the new york badass of late night and would shit on guests. 100% of the \"victims\" of his interviews signed up for that treatment.\n\n> Also you know he just casually brushes off his relationships with staffers when you know damn well they all had that fear in the back of their mind they'd be fired and blacklisted\n\nNah, that's you applying zoomer logic to this scenario. Back then you'd be paid off nicely to sign an NDA or something similar.", "Thanks. I do try. I am open to having my mind changed.", "I think you gotta take a moment to see the details behind them having sex with them. \n\nWere the women adults, did they willingly consent, and why did they consent? \n\nObviously not being a child is pretty damn important, so over the age of 18. If these women were over the age of 18 and consented to having sex with them, I’m not sure what the issue is? The only thing I’d say that might be a problem is that if they had sex with him due to a quid pro quo kind of situation or blackmail. Besides that, it’s just a situation where you might have an opinion of “ew”, but that’s not illegal or harassing her like Weinstein or Louis CK.", "There definitely is not.\n\nRumors had it that dave was fucking plenty of the staff he worked with. \n\nNobody received favoritism, no threat of firing, no awkwardness, nothing but good ol' fashioned sexual objectification as none of his writers were women.\n\nNo implications or pressures.\n\nI know, mindblowing that adults can have consensual relationships across power structures!", "Again, not my concept.", "So? That’s really between them more than anything else", "One thing I remember noticing is that not once did he apologize to his wife during the entire speech", "Doesn't matter how privileged someone is. They make points and you can argue or debate the points. The moment you say \"YEAH, you make that point because you are (insert race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) YOU have fucked up. You have lost all standing in the argument, and have made no point, or counterpoint. \n\n\nNOT ONLY is any mention of privilege in this context a argumentative fallacy....we don't know about their privilege. You are a shining example of what is wrong with your particular tribe in this boring culture war. Using the term 'privilege' as a pejorative will ensure it loses all meaning, nuance, context and usefulness.", "Yup. She used to have a lot of show appearances too. She became a side character like Rupert Gee.", "You got the one? Or do you mean you got one at 20:07 yesterday and it still works?", "NOPE. You derailed this with a series of ad hominem, and false equivalence fallacy long before you arrived at this self righteous 'gotcha' moment. This was the path you directed the discussion down. \n\n\nIf you are going to take the high road, you actually have to take it. That is to say if you wish to end the discussion due to perceived fallacy, it is best not to have made a litany of logical fallacy before doing so.", "> muckraking\n\nI not sure Project Veritas even qualifies as \"muckraking\". Muckraking implies the underlying scandals have some truth. \"Project Veritas\" is more about creating and spreading disinformation.", "Ad hominem. \n\n\nYou done?", "> He used his position of power to sleep with women that otherwise would not have slept with him.\n\nThat's bullshit. He was funny and the face of one of the most well known comedy and celeb interview shows of all time.\n\nYou are talking through your fantasy of what that office was like... not first hand experience.\n\n> Its okay because he got to pretend to be a victim by getting someone arrested that was going to out him. Let this be a lesson to you idiot black mailers. Don't. Just come out with the details and cash in. \n\nYou don't even seem to actually know what happened, no surprise there.\n\nThe \"idiot blackmailer\" had a grudge because it was his girlfriend at the center of it, and decided to write a screenplay to out him and extort money to prevent it from happening\n\nHe wasn't really after the money, he wanted to force it to the public eye and he did. The cash would not have stopped it from happening, as obviously at any time letterman had the power once he paid the 2 million to bust him: but even with the busting that still publicises it.\n\ncatch up", "> “Project Veritas” is the perfect example of calling yourself something you are NOT. \n\nYou're going to love the \"Party Of Family Values\" impending social media platform they're planning to call \"Truth Social\" to cater to their market of domestic terror enthusiasts.", "I think perhaps he would, it would have garnered more traction...but I don't think Dave would have gone on an apology tour. I really don't. I don't think it is in him to do so. I think MAYBE they would have fired him and paid out his contract, but even then I don't think so. \n\n\nI think the people who get the absolute WORST of it are the people who can be made to capitulate and bow down and grovel in apology. Nobody is EVER forgiven, and it always makes it worse.", "Yes: my moving forward through time machine where I don't fuck half the staff under me at work until I piss off one of their boyfriends who launch a plot to out me.\n\nhaven't been blackmailed yet", "Yeah. I saw that. That’s some real, genuine doublespeak right there.", "Along with your time machine, do have a machine where you can change facts to match false embellishment?", "Ordinarily, fucking an employee is a professional and personal life death sentence. But not if you're famous...", "It is possible to admire one thing without admiring all the things.\n\nHis forthright confession, and his diffusion of the blackmail are brave, admirable acts, despite the circumstances. \n\nWhat he did to get blackmailed, obviously not.\n\nBelieve it or not, you are not the good person you think you are for the simple act of hating on a person who did a bad thing. We all do bad things, we're all flawed human beings after all.\n\nThe social justice movement is not wrong about accountability. Yes, we need more accountability in our society. When people do bad things, they should be held accountable for them. No one actually disagrees with that.\n\nEveryone hates social justice warriors because of your complete lack of empathy. You're just as bad as some of these people you go after: you don't care about redemption or making things right, you just enjoy seeing people shamed and punished. It's a sick fetish.\n\nDavid Letterman isn't Donald Trump. He didn't deny his crimes, pay people to shut up, or shame his accusers for daring to speak out. Sure, he wasn't held accountable as much as he should have been--that's on us. I wish he had the chance to do this in today's society, where it would have been followed by sexual harrasment lawsuits that this public confession would force him to settle or lose, and probably the cancelation of his show by the network. He exposed himself to all of that, not to mention the personal consequences to his marriage and his public image. The fact that it didn't happen wasn't his failure, it was ours.", ">The argument is that \n> \n>if \n> \n>a subordinate \n> \n>wanted \n> \n>to say no, they may not due to fear of consequence.\n\nIt is certainly true that is possible. But in this case? I haven't heard that. In fact one directly says it was the exact opposite. That she did not feel any pressure to sleep with the boss.\n\nI like Dave. I always have.\n\nSo I may be biased, but I haven't really heard how this is terrible. Just the mantra that anytime a boss sleeps with an employee it is sexual assault, it is an unfair power dynamic.\n\nI have been around the block. I am surprised that nobody points out there are women who might absolutely and whole heartedly enjoy this entire situation, including the power difference....ESPECIALLY the power difference.\n\nI think the nuance people seem to forget is that women are strong, independent now more than ever, and are perfectly able to make their own decisions. If a woman willingly wants to sleep with her boss, and she isn't under any threat of firing or punishment for not doing so.......\n\nHave fun.\n\nDave need only apologize to his family I think...and that isn't any of my business.", "I don't know what the studio slipped in their drinks but his audience was always like this.\n\nEven on the occasion his joke completely bombed, in half a beat he'd have them laughing about how hard it bombed.", "He could still have tried to pay people off, blatantly lie, or any of the other things people like Donald Trump and Harvey Weinstein have done.\n\nThis exposed him to sexual harassment lawsuits he would have lost, could have gotten his show canceled, and could have ended his marriage.\n\nThe fact that it didn't is our failing.", "Yea, but they DID get ahead. He put staffers that had sex with him ON THE AIR. I can’t imagine the toxic workplace that created.", "He was not married to her but they had been together for many years.", ">we're so easy to manipulate\n\nThis.\n\nWhat Letterman did to get blackmailed was not okay. We should have held him accountable for it. We should have. His handling of the blackmail and his forthright confession are great, and he gave us the opportunity to hold him accountable.\n\nWe didn't. Society itself was in the wrong there.", "Well a “mistake” is usually a one time thing right? Not banging your assistant for several years and putting her on TV weekly as a reward of sorts. He didn’t bump into someone’s car in the parking garage. He had sex with an intern in her 20’s over and over and over again.", "No no no, dude. You're screwing it up. Remember, I'M the one who lacks empathy. You're the one who sees human beings as fallible and complex. I'm the extremist, you're the nuanced humanist.\n\nYou can't be mad at me. I'm a flawed human being after all. You can admire one part of me (expecting accountability, standing up for his victims) while condemning the other. It's you who's sick. You lack empathy. You social justice warriors and cancel culture zealots. You don't care about redemption or making things right, you just enjoy seeing people shamed and punished.\n\nLol see how utterly brain-dead that argument is? See how ironic it is that you're trying to use it while being it? Hahaha\n\nNah. \n\nThing is I'm the one with empathy. I have empathy for his wife and the people he harassed. The ones who did nothing wrong. The ones who aren't learning lessons of personal growth at other people's expense, inflicting themselves on others for the sake of their own fallibility.\n\nYour empathy doesn't go that far. You don't care for them. You only have empathy for him because you worship celebrities. You've built unhealthy, one-sided relationships with people who don't know you exist. You rationalize their failings, forgive their vices. You laugh with them, cry with them, celebrate with them. You're doing it for you, and he's doing it for him. Neither of you are doing it out of any sense of empathy or compassion.\n\nHe didn't face up to accountability, he escaped it. He faced zero consequences. And this \"confession\" of his wasn't a brave act (lol wtf?) because he didn't do it out of any sense of integrity or moral authority. He didn't do it because it was right to do it, or for the sake of those he inflicted himself on. He only confessed because he had to; this was damage control. He only did it when he had something to gain for doing it, or something to lose. It was about no one else but him. But you're too stupid to see that, and too stubborn to admit it.\n\nYou've got no further argument here. There's nothing you can say to that and you know it. Because he openly admitted that's why he did it. And you're still desperate to protect him, to save him, to heal him.\n\nYou are a genuinely unhealthy person, man. And I hope you see that before it's too late.", "I know about that time you lied to your mother, and I know what you lied about.\n\nIt's going to break her heart, unless you can convince me not to tell her.", "See, I understand that he isn't Harvey Weinstein. Still, even if the relationships were consensual and no one was threatened with anything or benefitted in any way outside of sexual gratification, it's not okay to be the boss and use your staff as a pool for sexual gratification. Even if no one felt like suing him for sexual harassment, the studio execs ought to have considered pulling his show.", "If your definition of \"leftist\" is \"able to provide verifiable sources\" then sure lol wikipedia is biased. Haha. Jesus fuck.", "At least, not then. Imagine someone committing career suicide like this today.", "He's a comedian on a comedy show. The audience is acting, and are playing a part for the TV audience. There is absolutely no reason to believe anything he is saying isn't leading to a punchline. It's not a press conference.", "Pretty sure that's not true nowadays. I'm only going off what creators have said but in the past, you need to have a length of at least 10 minutes to place more ads. \n\nYouTube was trying to incentivize longer content at the time so they picked this arbitrary length for creators to hit. Nowadays, you don't need to hit this 10-minute threshold to insert more ads. Also dragging on a video longer than it needs to be might hurt the visibility of your video because of how YouTube considers retention rate in the algorithm.", "No, no, nuaaaaaance....I'm meltttiiiing", "I mean, they can’t even check their fly before a major press conference, you think they care about checking facts?", "I agree. I don't dislike Dave. Just pointing out the difference in reaction to this and Louis CK doing it. Not that they're entirely the same. Just that that employer power dynamic was what the big argument became.\n\nI met my wife at work over 10 years ago and couldn't be happier.", "Masterclass. You can’t blackmail someone who goes public with the blackmailing material.", "Is it possible for a woman to sleep with a rich and powerful man with the interest of personal gain? How can you be so sure that’s not the case? Is it even possible that two people that work together can be attracted to each other and have a consensual sexual relationship? Is it possible for a new hire at McDonald’s to sleep with their shift manager, even if they might get out of mop duty? Is there a line somewhere?", "He was banging interns. That's basically it. People on the show, including former writers, have talked about it. He wasn't even the only high ranking member of the show doing it.\n\nHell, the guy that tried to blackmail him was sleeping with the same intern while she was sleeping with Dave. At the same time!\n\nHe's not a monster. But let's not pretend we don't know what happened.", "Oh are more child rapists at CNN being exposed by Veritas? \n\nIf reddit comments are defaming him now, must mean he has a big story he reached out for comment on.\n\nCant wait!", "that is all possible and there's plenty of grey area. the example provided here is very high contrast and the logic still plays: don't sleep with your employees, just don't. whats the point in adding the asterisk? it'll still happen anyway, discouraging it is what society has settled on for a whole host of reasons. don't start a land war in Asia and don't sleep with your employees", "You cant judge the audience here. It really isn’t fair. This happens any time a comedian gets serious and it isn’t how the same people would individually react in any other setting.\n\n1) They’re attending a comedic event that both they and the producers are expecting them to laugh at. If they were attending a play or symphony they would behave completely differently \n\n2) The audience has been primed by a warm up comedian whose whole job is to get them ready to laugh. Once they’ve been warmed up they’ll respond to the slightest quip during the show.\n\n3) Dave has been honing his cadence and delivery for decades to get his audience to respond and he cant help working them during this monologue. Its probably because he’s embarrassed and getting them to laugh puts him at ease, a selfish but pretty natural thing to do.\n\n4) They’re responding to each other. 5 people wouldn’t respond this way, nor would 10, 20, or 50 people. A 100 would - and a laughing or applauding response is far more infectious than a stoic one.", "> don't know about their privilege. \n\nWe know the only thing that matters, they're not a female that's been in this position. So we know far and above what we need to know regarding privilege. Way to defend someone defending sexual assault. Weirdchamp", "I don't know the details in this case, and I guess by fucked up behavior you mean the boss fucking someone under them in the org chart? I mean... I married a girl I met in the office, that ended and I'm currently in a long-term relationship with someone else I met in another office. But I'm just a worker-bee, not a manager, but I honestly don't see how that changes things. Obviously nobody was coerced in this Letterman situation, and of course not in mine.", "Eh, yeah it’s a shitty thing to do. But not worth cancelling a person over. It’s a personal problem at most between the two do them.", "This was just before it was universally accepted that sleeping with a subordinate is an inappropriate power dynamic. None of the women seem to particularly regret the assignations. This incident actually helped bring more awareness to the issue.", "This is really an observation of collective human psychology and expectation more than anything. Take a host, comedy show, does this story ... laughs. Take another host, some kind of news show like 20/20 in front of a live audience, does this same exact story ... no laughs. \n \nPeople are going to his show, expecting to laugh. As a result, they will laugh at things that, all else being equal, they would laugh less at (perhaps not at all) otherwise. Throw in some collective group pressure: one person exercises their expectation to laugh a bit more easily than another person, and the other person will feel drawn to laugh more. \n \nAt some point the laughing is out of ignorance - at the beginning of the story, it is less certain that this is a serious story. A host, a person in a social setting, anything similar can't merely change the tone of an interaction with a simple statement. E.g. \"ok, humor over, I will now convey something serious\". We've all had this happen in personal relationships. You decide at some point that you need to move on to something else, and merely state it as so, then move on. Then you suffer the repercussions of the other person(s) involved that object to the moving on, sharp turn, in the social circumstances. \n \nAt some point, the laughing is out of complete fear to deviate from both: their own expectation of what this interaction was, and perhaps group influence. When the story moves on to \"it would be bad\" ... \"especially for the other women\". Aside from any misogynists that may be present (of which there were more in that year than now), most people, when placed in a different setting say outside the theater on the street, would identify that as a serious and harmful proposition that they would not laugh at. Yet these people laugh. Demonstrating a disconnect between what they really think, and their actions under the circumstances (unless the audience happened to be 100% misogynists in this example). \n \nSo having said all of this, the real question is: how much does the host take all of this into consideration, and either ignore it, try to overcome it, or try to use it to their advantage, to get through the story? A host could clearly abuse this mechanism, present the story on the show in a way that generates the most laugh and glossing over, and try to slide right to the end of \"well, I admitted it\" while incurring the least amount of damage. Or a host could completely tank their show one night, or do some other kind of media presence, where they admit it while eliminating any chance of ending up in the laugh trap. \n \nIn my opinion, I feel like this is somewhere in the middle. He didn't ham it up the whole time, but he certainly didn't block every last smirk or light hearted possibility. And at the same time, he didn't tank the show entirely through some other approach. Not that being in the middle is good. Although we don't know the details ... as is common with most of these incidences, he probably abused his power to some degree.", "It's a tactic bully organizations across the globe use as a PR move.\n\nLike how the Chinese military is \"The People's Liberation Army\" when in reality it's made up of conscripts, or how East Germany was the \"German Democratic Republic\". Not to mention countless warlords in Africa who give their militias such names while politically being authoritarians.", "I remember watching this as it aired. People in the audience were confused and thought it was joke. Letterman was so good about just laying out the whole situation and holding himself accountable.", "No way. Consensual sex is not as bad as unwillingly subjecting women to your kink. LCK didn’t wait for women to refuse. He just “asked” and then whipped it out.", "How do you confirm it was him preying on women, and not women chasing him down? People of that status have plenty of admirers who would love to become the one and only, employees included.", "And I don't want to not condemn Dave! Even if he's not Evil McRapist, there are issues that come out of those power dynamics that are worth worrying about.\n\nMy bigger point was more to just point that most of the men who were me-tooed were done so for behavior that was a fair bit more reprehensible than consensual affairs with someone who they had power over. Louis CK, for example, was accused of things like masturbating on a phone call without the consent of other participants and not just of romantic advances but immediately pressuring women into sexual situations in private. If Dave affairs were just that and not particularly ultra-gross behavior, I don't think he'd've been eaten by the wolves.", "And? Does that give the public the rights to shit on him and ruin his work life? Fucking hell no it doesn't. \n\nIt's his personal business with his wife, and the public can fuck off about it.", ">they're not a female that's been in this position \n\n\nNot relevant in the slightest. Logically speaking it doesn't matter. The arguer doesn't matter. Only the argument. Ad hominem translates into \"Attacking the arguer\". It is a logical fallacy. \n\n\n>Way to defend someone defending sexual assault.\n\nFucking. Your. Employee. Is. Not. Sexual. Assault.\n\nIt isn't. Can it be? Yes, I think if an employee is coerced under duress of financial ruin into a sexual relationship, I would consider it sexual assault.\n\nHowever...\n\nI reject out of hand a notion that by it's very nature it is sexual assault. This simplistic lens of absolutes and engaging in rigid thinking destroys any possibility of context or nuance prevents any meaningful discussion from taking place. \n\n\n> Weirdchamp \n\n\nI could write a simple script that would regurgitate your simplistic Boolean values regarding cultural topics that would be every bit as interesting or helpful as what you contribute to the zeitgeist with your sophomoric lens of self righteous indignation. That is to say: not very.", "fair enough", "That's exactly what came to mind when you watching this. I remember that talk vividly as a Seinfeld fan. Nevertheless, to talk about such a serious and sensitive event like that on Late Night is not really the most appropriate place to apologize in the first place. Might as well have apologized at a circus.\n\nFor all curious, here's Michael Richards apology on Late Night: https://youtu.be/EC26RI-Ria8\n\nAnd this is the behavior he is apologizing for: https://youtu.be/VOtU6EjHjoY\n\n^ A career in comedy and that is the first video that comes up when you search his name on YouTube. It's very racist and distasteful.", "You jest, but you might as well of melted away.....if you find yourself unable to defend your position in the face of nuance, context, reason and logic.", "Was gonna say, HF sells solid stuff at excellent prices.", ">It isn't. Can it be? Yes, I think if an employee is coerced under duress of financial ruin into a sexual relationship, I would consider it sexual assault.\n>\n\nTHATS. LITERALLY. WHAT. HAPPENED.", "Craig Ferguson was the most genuine late-night talk show host period.", ">holding himself accountable\n\nIndeed. Despite the posturing of a few SJWs in these comments, it is worth pointing out that this was considered a remarkable amount of accountability at the time. People didn't know what to say.", "I mean he said he was being a creep.", "I guess the funniest thing to me in this was that the follow up guest was Woody \"Rampart\" Harrelson...", "Same thing the National Enquirer did for years until they imploded.", "I tell everyone to buy HF first. If it breaks, then you can go buy a big brand name. Of course there are certain tools that you should really stick to big brands but even those gaps are closing fast as HF has some surprisingly good quality tools. If my life is on the line, I might not buy harbor freight but for the other 99.9%, I do.", "Honestly the best way for any comedian to come clean and own up something bad they did was to debase themselves in a comedic manner in front of a live audience. Jimmy Carr also did it when he had his tax evasion scandal and he just straight up admitted he was wrong in a somewhat funny way. It's kinda their natural defence mechanism.\n\nI think Louis CK also basically did the same but the reception was rather much different. Sincerity with the comedy goes a long way.", ">Yea, but they DID get ahead.\n\nI mean....did they? He also put a security guard, male interns, sandwich stop owners, etc. on TV on a regular basis. I don't know the women's names, can't even picture their faces....so did they get ahead?\n\nMaybe they did, or maybe just the perception that they were could create a toxic workplace, and my response is.....\n\nSo?\n\nSo what. Seriously....I have worked in more than a few that didn't involve romantic relationships regarding the boss. It really isn't any different than the boss promoting his nephew, or the sycophants, yes men, kiss asses and brown nosers who get ahead by playing cutthroat workplace politics.\n\nWhy such a disdain for this?\n\nI think has less to do with toxic workplace environments and more to do with trying to tell women who they can or cannot sleep with. Or telling men who they can or cannot. Sexual control, little different than the conservative bible thumpers on the right. Different reasons, but the same agenda.\n\nWomen have agency. If they CHOOSE to have a consensual relationship with their boss, who are you to say they don't know what they are doing, or how they should feel, or who they can and cannot sleep with? \n\n\nTL;DR There is going to be no cure for toxic workplaces. Anytime humans compete over resources, there will be toxicity. Not excusing, just stating a fact. If you had a fix for this, you would have created peace on earth.", "Being a creep doesn’t equate to what is now considered sexual assault. I’ve no doubt there was some hush money involved with the women, but none of that is actual proof he did anything immoral other than infidelity.", "According to who? \n\n\nYOU? \n\n\nBecause as far as I know, none of the women he was with has said it wasn't consensual. Women in the office who didn't sleep with him have stated they never felt pressure to do so, or their job is in jeopardy if they don't. \n\n\nSo. You are all cap clapping back stating that happened. Show me how you know this, or I am going to ignore how you FEEL about this and let it hang like a fart in the air WHY you WANT this to be the case.", "If this had happened now his career would have been over.", "Damn, I don't recall ever having seen Letterman angry before. Truly something else.", "It’s crazy because if he had approached Letterman “offering to sell the publishing rights for $2 million,” it almost certainly wouldn’t be a crime. Say slightly different words and negotiate and you have monetary exchange (likely) and no crime.", "Lol. How does this get a single upvote. Of course not, that’s the whole fucking point lol wtf", "You can’t find her because after the scandal she was wiped clean from the show…unlike anyone else. CBS took any clip she ever was in off YouTube, etc. Her name was Stephanie…Dave called her “Monty” and “Smitty” on the show. She was prominently featured for a while. She was an intern 30 years younger than him (but age isn’t really important).\n\nHe was in a position of power. As a boss, yes, but as Dave Letterman more than anything. You want to cheat on your wife with someone 30 years younger than you? Go for it…it’s a free country. \n\nBut if it’s an intern and your name is on the paycheck it goes beyond bad taste. Only a creep would think otherwise.", "Was this guy married when he had all those affairs?", "> I'm not really sure why Dave got a pass here, especially from his wife, and from the public.\n\nProbably because none of the women who he slept with had a problem with sleeping with him?\n\nAnd as for his wife, you don't know what types of weird swinger shit they get up to. I've met celebrities in the swinger scene. A lot of times, they play the \"I get that all the time\" card when you ask if they're who you think they are. (It's not 'red-carpet' thing full of A-list people, mostly a bunch of random regular people and an occasional \"hey, isn't that that one chick from that series of national car insurance ads\" or something like that, but I digress.)", "☝️", "> This happens any time a comedian gets serious and it isn’t how the same people would individually react in any other setting.\n\nCraigy Ferg's bit about alcoholism is the one that jumps to mind instantly...", "It wasn't a mistake, he was fucking his employees.", "It's because every time he mentions the \"creepy\" stuff the guy has on him, he really emphasizes the \"creepy\" in a sarcastic way. In the beginning you can't tell if he's making fun of the fact that the guy doesn't actually have anything and it's going to be funny when he reveals it, like he's priming the audience for a punchline. In reality, he's just uncomfortable about the truth, and trying to downplay the \"creepiness\" of it.", "I thought so, but someone commented that they were just long-term dating at that point and I haven't looked it up.", "He was sometimes exasperated with a guest, but it's hard to tell if it wasn't part of the performance.", "This reminds me of the story about ex NHL legend Jaromir Jagr.\n\nJagr was apparently fucking some young hot model, who took pictures of him sleeping afterwards, then tried to use the photos to blackmail him. \n\nHe was basically like \"go ahead and show everyone. Oh noez! Jaromir Jagr fucks young hot models in his spare time!\" Because he doesn't give a shit. Lol.\n\nNeedless to say it didn't work out for her, and everyone just had a laugh.", "I mean I said probably because for the majority of marriages an affair is going to be problematic behavior. \n\nAnd I’m not saying it’s anything to me. I didn’t call for Dave’s head, and I think the guy attempting to blackmail him is a scumbag. But I’m also not gonna pretend that the dirty laundry being aired is clean when Dave himself is acknowledging it as being dirty.", "Very likely. He certainly put himself in a vulnerable position: if any of the women sued him for sexual harassment at this point, he'd have no footing in court. I wonder if even then the studio execs didn't at least talk about whether or not to cancel the show.", "It seemed to me to be a smoldering, bitter anger that gleamed through the performative irony--of the sort a persona like Letterman would never convey intentionally. But then, with this kind of persona, I guess you can never know for certain.", "I think by Louis saying \"still dont do it\" he knows there was no consent, but obviously that's his side of the story he's going to stick with to save his ass a little bit.", "yikes", "It was a different time, not so long ago.", "Letterman himself said a decade later he didn’t hold himself accountable…", "He told everyone what happened. He could have easily lied or never addressed it.", "Holy fucking scumbag. Totally fitting that he's a GOP operative.", "Basic facts (leaving out some ugly details about the atmosphere for the few women on staff) is a far cry from accountability.", "this was what he wanted. letterman knew exactly what he was doing, blunting the impact of the leak by acting self deprecating about it. instead of looking like a predator who did creepy things he now looks like a victim.", "It's a lot to take in. Luckily you are armed with a canned response rather than risk independent thinking. You are a good tribe member.", "Agreed. Everybody is the hero of their own narrative. It’s the way we’re wired. I’m sure Louis believes his actions were regrettable but mostly harmless, and he did try to do the right thing in some sense. He let them know in advance, respected their wishes if they overtly said no, and he didn’t put his hands on them. He established some sort of personal moral code and acted according to that code. But he drew the line at a position most of us would question.", "I don’t know enough about this I guess. My impression was just that he slept with women he worked with —not that he leveraged his position and forced these women to satisfy him sexually.", "Nahhh, that face he makes right after he said 2 million dollars is classic Letterman being goofy.", ">CBS took any clip she ever was in off YouTube, etc.\n\nYou got a different youtube than me?\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffpPwXztczg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffpPwXztczg) \n\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REF-gxtZJZw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REF-gxtZJZw) \n\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5hqmu\\_SXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5hqmu_SXo) \n\n\nDon't think these skits helped her in her career as....checks notes....a lawyer. \n\n\nYou know what is lost in all this righteous defense of Stephanie? \n\n\nStephanie. \n\n\nThe fact that she had her own agency and gets to be in a relationship with whomever is also consenting to a relationship. Nobody has indicated there was ever a threat of losing a job if you didn't sleep with him. She has not indicated she was under any pressure whatsoever.", "They fraudulently edited the abortion provider videos. Disingenuous attacks are their schtick.", "That's why late night shows became lame and cringe.\n\nThe audience and their producers needed standards but they kept lowering it until it stopped being funny.", "Dang.", "So they are in danger!", "Agreed.", "Not to disagree, but I would point out that simultaneously to the #MeToo era, we now live in a time where people simply deny basic facts loudly and consistently until their opposition gets out of their way.", "I think that gets into a grey area where you start applauding people for essentially not being as bad as someone else.", "Fair point.", "Have you followed the metoo movement from a few years ago, and did you understand the context?", "His “bit” on Brittany Spears too", "Yep. \n\nAnd this ain’t it. \n\nThough it is how the Twitter mob and young people warped it to mean. “Anything anyone did that I don’t like.”", "What’s metoo?", "Referencing Operation Mk Ultra- Sub operation midnight climax.", "Currently being utilized by the behavioral health sector for quota fab gen to throw the tax range off balance I have dubbed \"Bad Hank's Wife\".", "No, Craig did it the right way. He let the audience laugh where appropriate. He didn't try to water down issues or push the audience to approve in his favor.", "Wow, I had completely forgotten how Letterman could make any good story feel drawn out and boring.", "Depends on the nun. I still have flashbacks to Catholic school…\n\nBut, seriously, folks, I’m just saying there’s a right way, and a wrong way. Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg are both convicted felons. They had a successful cooking show together. It’s all in how your case plays out in the Court of Public Opinion.", "Right? And yet we kept tuning in.", "Well, the options were a bit limited back then.", "It was 1 woman, an assistant that was regularly used in segments.", "yeah, but he told them it's not a joke, it's not funny.", "I have made no comment on whether this was qualitatively or quantitatively different in terms of Dave's unfaithfulness. I have simply replied to the preceeding question, about his marital status, that I believed him to have been married at the time but now I am not certain in that knowledge. That is all. You may calm down now.", "He uses plurals in this monologue, which makes me wonder if there were other women we don't know about.", "But it was all consensual with Louie CK, too. The argument there is that when you have power over someone and the ability to make or break their career it isn’t really consent. Whether Louie intended to or not the women felt like saying no might end up ruining their lives. \n\nSo what’s the difference with Dave?", "I'm pretty sure it was multiple instances. I will stand corrected though.", "I hate this argument. It removes all agency from both individuals. Just because someone is rich and powerful doesn’t mean we get to choose who they have sex with.", "Hamilton taught us that", "I am pretty sure they did not, anything to back that up?", "Who?", "Watching the episode, it was obvious the audience responded like it was a gag because Letterman revealed it in a deadpan manner like usual and sprinkled in some jokes. It was apparent Letterman was trying to be serious, but I can understand the audience in the moment being ready for comedy and warmed up not realizing what was going on. \n\nAs far as Letterman’s behavior; just remember his girlfriend helped him create the original shows on NBC working as a writer for years and he cheated on her with a woman who was a staffer. That’s who he had his son by and eventually married. It seems that Letterman is only picking up women that he has work relationships with. Not saying it’s appropriate or anything, Letterman is eccentric and awkward and that seems to be the only way he picks up women. He definitely abused his position to have affairs with interns and young show staff.", "Who said it was better?", "David Letterman shows us how to not get cancelled when caught out for using a position of power to coerce underlings into bed.", "Interesting how he manages to cast those “terrible” things he’s done as fundamentally ridiculous.", "Sure, he had to pay 100k because he defamed a man in the \"pimp\" abortion video that was fraudulently edited:\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/\n\nThey are also being sued for writing a deposition supposedly from a \"witness\" to support fraudulent voter fraud claims. They turned out to be baseless.\n\nhttps://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdpey/mail-voting-fraud-whistleblower-admits-project-veritas-wrote-his-affidavit\n\nDon't forget, they also knowingly tried to submit false stories from their employees to legitimate news orgs, which they were caught at red handed. One of their employees tried to claim Roy Moore impregnated her in an attempt to distract from the news story of his molestation history. \n\nhttps://www.al.com/news/2017/11/jaime_phillips_alabama_roy_moo.html\n\nThere is lots of other stuff as well. He is a huckster who runs disinformation for the Republicans, nothing more.\n\nI sure you will try to dismiss these facts or pivot to another topic now, but there you go.", "We'll be back with Woody Harrelson to talk about Rampart", "Remind me how Louie pressured women in very gross ways.", "What a backpedalling load of damage control. I wish someone chronicled all the versions of this story that were told from the beginning to the end. They never considered it assault until others considered it for them, on the air, for money.", "David: Contained in the package was stuff to prove that i do some terrible things\n\nAudience: HAHAHA!!", "The only opinion I gave was that celebrity apologies are much different now, but don't let that get in the way of your projection.", "Rich older guys sleeping with willing 20 year olds is not a new thing. Certainly money, gifts, jobs, etc, were all exchanged with these women, and I have no doubt these women were attracted to Dave's charm and power. I think it's key to point out though that no women came forward an accused Dave of harassment or rape. This is an important point in my opinion. They all participated willingly and knowingly, maybe even for their own motives, whose to say. I'm not patting him on the back for cheating on his wife. But there were many ways to handle this embarrassing situation and he chose the best way I think.", "The thing with Louie though is that he made woman uncomfortable. And it's just weird to masturbate in front of someone anyway. No women have come forward and accused Dave of rape, harassment or coercing. I think that is the important distinction. No doubt these women were swayed by Dave's money, power and charm, but Rich older guys sleeping with younger women is not a new thing.", "But he had to say that after they started laughing - they originally reacted exactly as this audience did, and kudos to him for saying, 'no, actually, this one's not for humour.'", "I was replying to OP, who said Letterman \"didn't deny it\". Um, yes, he kept it a secret for quite some time. He entertained paying off the guy, and only came clean when the amount was so high and there was no guarantee he wouldn't leak it anyway.", "Crazy to read about people saying nowadays if he was being blackmailed for having (completely consentual) sex with interns that he'd be fired and cancelled which basically means, if he was being blackmailed today - he'd have no option but to pay the money - and this is apparently signs of a progressive society. \n\nAre we gonna ignore that some women are attracted to wealthy funny men?", "Thank God an omniscient being has weighed in with his definitive knowledge. Certainly the article couldn’t have been inspired directly by a woman’s anger at a prior article that falsely claimed Louie CK had obtained consent from all the women involved. Or wait. Actually that would explain it. I guess we better dive in deeper here!\n\nTell me more about the money thing. How much was Julia Wolov paid for her interview on the air? Oh, snap. Zero?? And it wasn’t an on-air interview at all? She wrote an unpaid op-ed? Your story falls apart at even the slightest investigation? \n\nDamn. Maybe you aren’t so omniscient after all.", "It wasn’t just power dynamics. Julia Wolov has stated explicitly that she did not consent. Show me where she retracted this statement, and I’ll stop saying it.\n\nI like Louie CK and I’m not trying to “cancel” him, but there are lessons to be learned here and white-washing isn’t helping.\n\n[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vulture.com/amp/2019/11/louis-c-k-accuser-speaks-out-on-consent.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vulture.com/amp/2019/11/louis-c-k-accuser-speaks-out-on-consent.html)", "He was the victim. He has consensual sex with women. The only thing he did wrong was cheat on his wife. He has spoken of more frankly that this strained his marriage and about how much it hurt her but all he did was have an affair. He isn’t a pervert or a sexual abuser like Louie CK who exposed himself to women without their consent. Dave made poor judgement, just like millions of other people all over the world but he didn’t actually hurt anyone. He has also said that he chose to shut the discussion down because the matter was between him and his wife and he was absolutely correct.", "He was and he said that it caused a great deal of strain on his marriage, they went to therapy and worked through it but he hated himself for doing that to his wife. But ultimately this was a matter between a husband and a wife. Not a man vs the court of public opinion. Had he raped the women that he worked with hell yes, string him up. But he didn’t. He was an adult that had sex with other consenting adults. Like I mentioned above, it’s not like the case of Louis CK (who should be a sex offender) who took out his dick and started jerking off in front on non-consenting (most of the time) coworkers.", "He didn’t get a pass at all. He nearly got divorced. But his wife and him went to therapy (like millions other other couple across the world) and they eventually worked through it. He didn’t hurt or abuse anyone here. All of them women he had sex with consented to it and he didn’t prey on them. It was co-workers banging, that’s it. It ultimately came down to a private matter between a husband and a wife and really should be treated as such.", "The only person he owed an apology to was his wife, which he did. But he did not need to do that on national television. That’s absurd and frankly, would have probably hurt his wife more. As mentioned above he deeply regretted the emotional harm he caused his wife and the two of them worked through it via therapy and eventually stayed together. None of the women that he slept with claimed that he abused his power or used his power to sleep with them. They were co-workers who were often around each other 70-80 hours a week and as adults tend to do, lines were crossed. Ultimately this is not something the public should have any say on. The only person that deserved an apology was his wife and that was sorted privately between the two of them. Imagine if someone tried to air all of your dirty laundry with all of your former partners unless you paid them 2 million dollars? That’s what’s fucked up here. Dave made marital mistakes. He did not sexually assault anyone. There is a big difference.", "Yeah but dude, you can’t ask for consent AFTER you expose yourself and just put your dick back in your pants and say “my bad”. That’s not how consent works. \n\nHad CK said, “want to watch me toss off?” “No, okay.” That would be a different story but he took his dick out and then asked. Imagine if you were out jogging and a stranger did that. They would be in jail. Big difference between CK and Dave.", ">he took his dick out and then asked\n\nNo he didn't. Have you read any of the accounts?", "Jesus Christ. So many people posting nonsense here without knowing the full story. Here are the facts of what happened. If you want to have an opinion on this at least know the basic facts.\n1. David Letterman has consensual sex with female coworkers. This is not according to Dave. This is from the women who were (some) interviewed privately by CBS as well as (I believe) New York Times. \n2. None of the women claimed that Dave used his executive power over them or promised them jobs. It came down to 2 adults being around each other 50-80 hours a week, being lonely, horny and unhappy.\n3. Absolutely 100% of the relationships were consensual and not even unwanted advances were made. Not like Louie CK who exposed himself and then put his dick back in his pants when the women said no. That’s not how consent works.\n4. Dave said that his wife knew about these affairs well BEFORE he announced it to the world. He hated himself for cheating on her and they nearly got divorced. But their adults and sometimes marriages are bumpy. They went to therapy and worked their issues out. Ultimately this was a private matter as the only person “hurt” was his wife. There was no reason for Dave to drag his wife into the spotlight on this, seriously that would only hurt her more. That’s why that part of this chapter remained private and rightfully so.\n5. Stop and think for a second. You may not have cheated on a partner but has all of your relationships always been smooth? Probably not. Imagine if someone took information about your private life and said unless you pay me 2 million dollars I am going to ruin your life. Who really is the victim here? Hell, some of you probably have not even been in relationships so let’s just say what if someone said unless you pay me X amount of $ I am going to show your co-workers, family and friends your browser history? Adults make mistakes. Are some worse than others? Yes. But are some of those also forgivable? Yea.", "There was no reason to go into the details. That’s between Dave, his wife and the women- not us.", "Yes I have. I can’t remember the comedians name but maybe you do.\nShe is a smaller woman and kind plays off as being nerdy/shy/quirky\nand was part of a duo. But anyways, she stated that he stood in\nbetween the door and her (and partner), exposed himself and asked “is this okay?” When they nervously laughed and said no, CK put his dick back in his pants and apologized.", "I agree with you 100%. An apology should be private. I don't presume to know what he did (other than what he says he did in this video). It just struck me as odd that he admitted no wrong doing. I'm not even saying he should. It just struck me because today it seems, today that is what people are looking for. (Do you understand what you did wrong?)", "I agree. There were no victims but his wife. However, had he done this in 2021, I just feels like he would have been raked through the coals.", "The duo in the hotel room? The story was that he asked and they \"laughed it off\". Then he really did it.\n\nThey stood there while he removed his shoes, socks, pants, shirt and underwear. Then \"laughed uncomfortably\" while he masturbated all the way to completion. Nobody said \"no\", \"stop\", or left the room. The door was not blocked or locked.\n\nIf someone stripped and jerked it in front of your significant other who sat there laughing the whole time, never leaving or telling them to stop - would you be upset with your S/O?", "I agree with you as well. Todays mob justice and cancel culture would have destroyed him before the facts came out. Nowadays, if Twitter hears that a celebrity had sex with someone other than their partner everyone assumes that they must be a criminal. I am totally behind people using the internet to call out their abusers and being able to speak freely about things. And as a society we need to yield to their calls and listen. But Christ, we don’t need to slam on the breaks and immediately destroy lives without knowing all of the facts. It’s actually extremely sad that a movement and tools used to empower those who have actually been hurt has turned in to modern day frontier justice.", "Very different situation with Smollett. Smollett committed fraud from the jump.", "Sometimes just because people want something does not mean that they deserve to get it though. There’s a right way to handle things and there is a wrong way. Had Dave committed a crime, as the host a show he would have had the duty/respect to say so and go into more specifics. But he didn’t, we deserve absolutely nothing from David Letterman. His wife on the other hand is a different story and by all accounts she was aware of this and they were working on their marriage even before the blackmailer issued his cowardly threats. Sorry, I’ve been a big fan of Carson, Letterman, Conan and Ferguson for a very long time and I love reading books about them. I actually love biographies in general but chat shows have always fascinated me, particularly behind the scenes stuff. There are some absolutely crazy stories about all the people I mentioned but when people start throwing around incorrect information simply because they watched a\n7 minute YouTube video there is an obligation to those who know the facts to actually speak up. That goes beyond the Letterman issue too.", "I'm just saying, had smollett stepped and said hey, I'm sorry this was the deal and I fucked up, the public opinion would be different.", "No I would not be mad at my SO if she was a 100lb girl who suddenly was confronted by a 250lb man who did that. I would be mad at him and empathetic towards her. They were laughing as a defense mechanism. They had 4 options in that scenario. 1, run as fast as they could which means they really wouldn’t even be processing why this was happening. 2. Stand there,’not engaging other than laughing as a way to keep their assaulter away from them. 3. Physically attack their assaulter or 4. Scream and say hell no. Those girls were processing the fact that he was one of the most successful and largest comedians at that time and they were just getting started.\nThey realized that if they did the wrong thing, they could ruin their career. Please keep in mind that CK instigated this out of the blue and within an hour of meeting them. David Letterman’s affairs began after working with these woman for weeks, months and years on end and we’re not “started” by a single party.\n\nIf you kiss a girl and she just stands there totally emotionless and does not kiss you back and then afterwards awkwardly laughs it off so she can leave is that the same thing as a if you kiss a girl and she fully embraces you and returns the kiss? Same situation here, substitute kiss for penis.", "So you agree he didn't take his dick out before asking? If so, where TF did that accusation come from?", "Rich old celebrities sleeping with consenting 20 year old adults is fine, an employer sleeping with his employees is not. Given his power as the show’s host within that workplace, you can’t verify whether his subordinates slept with him out of true reciprocated desire (I’m sure many did, he’s charismatic, funny, rich and famous) or because of his significant influence over their professional lives. It’s not true consent if saying no risks your livelihood. It’s not criminal - if you ask for consent and receive it, the government shouldn’t strip you of your liberty. But, the public can and should shun you for asking at all.", "The dude just cheated on his wife with colleagues and then fessed up to it on national television because he was being blackmailed for $2 million. I think we can all chill the fuck out with the “here’s what I would’ve done” and “here’s how he didn’t do this right” talk.\n\nMerry Christmas ya filthy animals ;)", "when you're the boss, having relations with your underlings is considered unethical, it's the kind of thing that can end careers especially if corrupt activity resulted from those liaisons.", "I doubt it", "She stated that she never asked him to get completely naked or to \"finish\". He literally asked if he could jerk off in front of her and she sat there and watched. To say \"I never agreed that he could get naked\", etc. is not a good faith argument.", "She didn't even break the story. Sit down.", "i remember seeing this at it aired", "Nice non-sequitor.", "This guy knows how to Public Relations.", "Not what the woman he had the affair with called for.\n\nYou aren't standing for justice if you discount her agency to start fights she would not.\n\nYou're standing for the misogynistic perspective that regardless of the circumstances, women are always victimized somehow.", "Hey, [would you look at that](https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-producer-under-criminal-investigation)!\n\nEdit: lol, downvotes because my theory on this being correct was probably right. The guy has resigned and is under investigation by the police. Call me crazy but I am fully behind exposing pedophiles." ]	374	videos	David Letterman shows us what to do about blackmail
https://youtu.be/Qyr_jGTHMXc	/r/videos/comments/rkr92z/wild_horses_galloping_in_snow_bosnia_december/	[ "Isn't it the case that the horses are trying to escape from the drone?", "Actually they don't😊. If you check the video, you will see that in many parts, dron is really close to them and they are not reacting at all.", "Exactly my thoughts, the drone obviously splits the group apart at one point. They are clearly disturbed by the drone.", "They calm down a bit when they're all tuckered out." ]	5	videos	Wild horses galloping in snow / Bosnia December 2021, dron footage
https://youtu.be/ZPw-Z6Ai6k0	/r/videos/comments/rkrtu2/in_1955_people_were_given_lsd_as_part_of_a/	[ "Awesome bit of history. Horrible sound quality.", "Well, yeah. You didn't post it to r/pictograph.", "Put a guy in a horrible trip situation and get a horrible result, duh", "I like this LSD experiment with the Housewife. She's very genuine and as someone who has taken it, I can identify with a lot she's saying.", "This is more about the drug that can block/reverse LSD intoxication I think.", "It makes a good song too lol" ]	6	videos	In 1955, people were given LSD as part of a controlled experiment and asked several questions. What followed was recorded on video.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkshb5/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkshb5/deleted_by_user/	[ "Answer: Rich parents. 😆", "I shoulda rerolled before starting this campaign", "Because people like you set it up that way.... I hate these assholes.", "I hope OP is just karma farming because otherwise they think 98% of people are failures and that's just narcissistic as hell." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/3zVulxsjX1k	/r/videos/comments/rkt7vh/when_you_ask_a_3_year_old_about_monsters/	[ "This has got to be one of the first viral YT videos", "this brings me back, crazy to think this kid is probably graduated college by now", "Same haircut I hope", "Remember to say butt instead of assk. Also, monsters are totally real.", "My sisters and I quote this video to this day." ]	5	videos	When You Ask A 3 Year Old About Monsters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8_zcGEZjc	/r/videos/comments/rktgq6/new_orleans_own_doreen_ketchens_is_absolutely/	[ "Such a talent…..", "Unreal.", "That made my day. Thanks for sharing.", "No doubt! Found myself tearin' up over it. The homegrown, genuine article, this lady.", "Unbelievable. So much expression!", "Her little thumbs up at the end made me giggle", "Why I like Reddit, finding things you might not have otherwise.\n\nThank you for sharing. That was absolute fire.", "I played the clarinet for 7 years and I didn't even know that the clarinet could sound like this!", "Legit.", "That gave me goosebumps. Amazing", "Of course people had to start clapping. I get being into the performance but I’m trying to listen to her, not the crowd.", "UGH! I know.", "No kiddin'. I feel some type of way at the obvious lack of boogie in the drums. They're trying for the brush sound, but it comes across as a lazy, by-the-book drum roll. It's laggy and hyper in all the wrong spots ...", "I was not expecting to watch that woman make love to that instrument lol 10/10 A+", "[Here's what's up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0srzSEPeHrk)", "That was pretty neat", "the old licorice stick! My instrument of 30 years, amazing technique and feeling put into that little old reed", "Stop fucking clapping you arrhythmic twats!", "I love that I can immediately tell where she’s from by the way she plays, she’s like the embodiment of New Orleans. Beautiful.", "Worked her way through college as a chef.", "No way.\n\nHow cool is that. Everything she does is delicious, then.", "Isn't THAT the truth? So very, VERY N'awlins.", "She's incredible. There's something qwhite weird about that audience though.", ">qwhite \n\nCan you pack up the racism and enjoy a video? Jeez.", "Who is this \"they\" you speak of? That's her own band, that I assume she put together. She can play with whomever she wants.\n\nEdit: It's apparently her husband and daughter.", "I love hearing songs covered by artists that do it differently from the original. She is amazing, I never knew you could do that with a clarinet, but the orchestra is just too polished to go with her style. Her clarinet playing makes me thing of Ian Anderson on the flute. Whoever started the clapping deserves all the internet derision we can give. There is participation and then there is ruining.", "Well, the only reason this got posted was because someone posted another Doreen Ketchens video 24 hours ago and then the video OP posted today was highly upvoted in that post so it's just kinda like an endless copycat thing in this sub sometimes.\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rjmioy/the_dirtiest_clarinet_solo/", "That's not true at all. It came up on my YouTube suggests.\n\nBut so what if it WERE taken from another thread? If it spreads joy through someone who hasn't seen it, who cares?", "Yes it showed up in your YT because hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people viewed the two videos yesterday because it front paged reddit.\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rjmioy/the_dirtiest_clarinet_solo/hp4lli8/", "That's probably true.", "Tears here…..complete mastery not only of the instrument but delivery from the soul", "🏆", "Hi! I'm one of the bass players in this video!", "…..and?", "Nothing, just saying out it works and why it showed up on peoples suggestions. It's directly related to it frontpaging reddit yesterday.", "At least it was 2 and 4. (Now someone please post the obligatory harry connick jr clip :) )", "No shit? Bass as in tuba or upright double bass?", "Same.\n\nThe embouchure control needed to get some of those tones is next level.", "This recording is weird. It captures the clarinet well, but the rest sounds like a high school band in the distance.", "8 minutes of non stop frission.", "inb4 the obligatory harry connick jr clip was posted to a video with audience members clapping offbeat. 10 years a redditor, that's a first.", "AKA just another random passerby in NOLA", "Upright bass", "I would like to know more in depth what you mean about the drums. To me, it just sounds like a plain jane 12/8 shuffle trying to stay out of her way, in a concert hall so all you hear is the reverb anyway. Didn't bother me so I'm curious what you mean by hyper", "It's so easy to make sour notes at that volume unless everything is perfect. She's really a master", "I cried. I've been playing music for 20 years, and I have never seen such abandon and skill in the same breath. I wish I could play like that!", "True musical talent transcends color, class and culture.\n\nJust ask [Buddy Greene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoauBe465qQ&ab_channel=GaitherVEVO).", "😢 \n\nI know.", "It's incurious ... not listening ... \n\n... just a buzzroll waiting to be told to drop.\n\nIt's no fault of their own. It's more an indication that the lowly street-drummer with a cheap pair and a good ear always prevails on the musical tip.", "Never seen better. Benny Goodman would bow and say, \"Sahib!\"", "Why the FUCK would anyone do this at an orchestral performance? Literally 0 brain cells, that's ridiculous.", "I could not have shared that sentiment any better. Kudos to you, good sir!", "That was dope!!!", "That was a tasty lick", "Old people", "I’m so happy I saw this.", "I have not been moved to tears from music for a while.... I am in New Orleans in the new year and I am praying I may get a chance to see that live.", "She ripped that shit", "the ONLY thing i hate about this is....where she is standing. just why. plz god.\n\nis the people clapping like cunts while she's playing.", "Goosebumps!", "Wow, thank you for posting that, it's amazing.", "I'm at work and I cried... just a bit", ">Legit\n\n I live here in New Orleans and have stood against the wall at Rouses and listened to her many times over. She is an incredibly talented human. I have heard some incredible music in this city. She and many other performers in the Quarters. There are so many awesome street musicians here. There was even a guy who used to sing and rap into a 5 gallon bucket... He was bad ass as well. I haven't seen him since Katrina though. \n\nI would encourage anyone who's never strolled the Quarter during the day on any given weekend to come on down and do so. You will see and hear many talented humans doing their thing. Just know where you got dem shoes at...", "ba-dum-tss?", "Wooooooow Doreen.", "Zero base....", "This performance is great but this is stereo playback on youtube of a 5.1 recording and it's out of phase. If you enjoyed it, do yourself a favour and find the 5.1 recording. Or just listen to a proper stereo recording of her. [Like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCE9PaXvNxY)", "I notice that every time I go to New Orleans. Everyone claps on 2 and 4. Where I'm from, the musicians can start people on 2 and 4 and they will inevitably end up on 1 and 3.", "Was she playing to sheet music or just going for it. I mean it sounds more like a free form solo type thing than an actual piece. Did you guys know when to come in or just guess?", "Yeah I had no idea. I mostly know whatever woody allen is using in a movie.", "Same. At home.", "Holy that was AMAZING! Saved, so I can remember her name and maybe see her live.", "No, that’s a drum kit", "[Here's her YouTube channel](https://youtube.com/channel/UCjICXsF-fT27gB2997hOpgQ), send her some love (and enjoy some more of her amazing skill).", "If you look at the background when they're close-up during the clapping, you'll notice something interesting about the violin bows.\n\nThe ORCHESTRA is clapping. The crowd just joins in.", "The orchestra had sheet music but she was improvising; this means she could basically interpret the song however she wanted and we had to follow her.", "Wow, she’s amazing! Watching I see that I went to school with the concertmaster and grew up playing with one of the oboists! Great video!", "While I'm sure the orchestra is full of fantastic musicians, they are classically trained musicians. And that means that they have had a certain sense of time constantly forced on them throughout their education and their career. Having a solid pocket is not something simple. It requires an ability to adjust micro-timing and use that to create push-pull flavor. While jazz, blues and even some rock players spend years mastering that, classical players are told that doing so is wrong.\n\nSome people believe that one form of training is inherently superior to the others, but I believe each has its own merits. I won't try to tell you that Pat Travers version of Beethoven's Fifth is \"good\", but I will say that it is sincere, as was this performance.", "So are we assuming the drum set player is the orchestra percussionist and not her own drummer?", "That sounds hard to do as a group.", "Accompanying soloists in the orchestra is one of the more difficult things to do as a symphony player but something that all professional players do on a regular basis. It's a combination of listening to the soloist and watching the conductor, all while following the sheet music in front of you.", "Jesus Christ, did she melt faces. That’s what I imagine Jack Black would play clarinet like.", "Hahaha thank you", "[Close.](https://youtu.be/cLmCJKT5ssw?t=64)" ]	88	videos	New Orleans' own Doreen Ketchens is absolutely possessed by her clarinet before the Louisiana Philharmonic.
https://youtu.be/z0TjG_cY7PU	/r/videos/comments/rku0mm/nipping_out_for_a_kebab/	[ "I was promised nips. Yet I just watched 10:46 seconds of video and... not one nip.", "😂😂 Too snowy for nips", "I suppose snow is exotic and unusual for people living on continental Europe. As a Swede, the only noteworthy thing about the video is that he is using a bike instead of a \"spark\" while enjoying the outdoors.", "Something I picked up on - it's clearly the native accent of the person, but some of the words he says almost has a Northen English accent over the top? The clearest example I heard was the way he says 'lovely' at the start. Then \"it's slidin' everywhere\". Plus the use of knackered and 'nipping out'. Just found it interesting!", "Well spotted 😄👍", "Pretty sure this is Latvia, so probably well used to snow. Not so much as Northern Sweden ofc.", "snow, exotic, continental europe, what?", "In my country, his bike would have been \"nipped\" when left outside unlocked.", "Many English students in Europe learn British English, not American English.", "That's coz wi spek propper roun ear" ]	10	videos	Nipping out for a kebab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gI3Q3dRWhQ	/r/videos/comments/rku378/when_you_reply_to_a_scammer/	[ "This is a scam", "I dunno man, looked like he received the 69 m $ to his account.", "Nice!" ]	3	videos	When you reply to a scammer
https://youtu.be/V-sKvHK41T4	/r/videos/comments/rku86g/staged_amazon_box_full_of_bricks_during_christmas/	[ "I hope every package thief dies of ass cancer", "I get your adrenaline was going but I don't understand the approach here, either stop her at the door or let her take the bricks...", "Why dont you just get your packages delivered to a pick-up place? Is that not a thing?", "Trying to shame the shameless. Pretty good idea though. I wonder what the perfect weight is …too light, they might toss it at you…too heavy they might not take it at all.", "If you stop her at the door there is plausible deniability that she was going to take the item. If you wait for her to take it off the property then you have definitive proof she was stealing. By using bricks you ensure she will be slow moving and if you mess up, you have only lost a couple bricks.", "Of which there's a chance she'll return them through your living room window at 3am. Stupid idea.", "or maybe lowlife scum could stop taking shit that doesn't belong to them.", "Nah, the stupid idea is being a package thief in the first place. They're just lucky that they were not shot for criminal trespass.", "Or contact your congressman and tell them you want a law that makes it legal to shoot people who are caught stealing and try to run away.", "I would agree with you if the plan was to record the burglars and report it to the police after. I doubt this was the strategy though, given he failed to record her face, and failed to properly record the license plate. All objectives aside from retrieving the bricks failed.", "I've been noticing this more and more with people in general. I don't know if it is because of the whole Covid situation in Canada (and I am sure I am late to this realization) BUT\n\nWhy the FUCK do we keep altering our habits to accommodate the habits of idiots?\n\nPerson 1: \"hey look this guy is throwing bricks at my window\"\n\nPerson 2: \"Why do you have bricks?\"\n\nNo, how about you question why the idiot is throwing bricks.\n\nor a more relatable situation:\n\n\"Lets lockdown the province because hospitals are being overwhelmed with anti-vaxxers\"\n\nLike fuck this mentality that OP possesses.", "She's not anonymous. There's plates.", "Posted on May 18, 2018\n\nChristmas? OP STFU and GTFO with your karma whoring self.", "The two are not mutually exclusive.", "You do know that Amazon isn't the only retailer out there, not every company is able to readily replace any given item. What about someone needing their medication or insulin? They can't really just wait for shit to be replaced. Your point sucks, as do you sir", "Maybe i want people that commit this type of disgusting shit to be behind bars? Like i want them off the street they dont deserve to live outside of a prison.", "Two plausible defenses:\n\na) yes judge I planned to return at 3 am, climb in the window and return the package, ergo i was not stealing it\n\nor\n\nb) I walked up to the door to (leave a flyer, alert the home owner of a thief in the area, ask if they had seen my lost dog, etc.) but then the owner opened the door before I even did anything an accused me of stealing. I did not touch anything or take anything off the property.\n\nWhich one do you think a judge is more likely to be believable?", "We can talk whether or not he failed if you'd like but that is an altogether different topic than asking what he planned to do. Given that he said on camera he got the plates I'd say it is very likely he intent was to get the plates and press charges for theft. Did he fail? Irrelevant when discussing what the intent was.\n\nSuccess of a plan is not requisite for something to be planned.", "If she does get caught and the police arrest her, what could they charge her with? theft of bricks? Since the package has next to no monetary value, the punishment would also likely be quite small.", "Task failed successfully?", "Thankfully he was recording in good conditions. Despite the shaky cam, I can easily read every character of the plate starting at 0:37-0:39. Just hit pause.", "I'm glad you agree, very foolish strategy", "I would agree with you that in this case task was just failed.", "Bruh, i live in frickin denmark and I wouldnt leave my packages outside my front door.", "People aren't freaking out because the thief took their order of deodorant that was delivered.\n\nPeople freak out because of the personal violation of their space and property.\n\nWe can't even rely on the police to curb the problem because the police don't give a flying fuck about thieves unless it's in the interest of a company. Shoplifting is taken much more seriously.\n\nPeople feel helpless. Yes, Amazon will most likely send a replacement, and yes the person should have had it delivered to a locker instead of their home.\n\nThe point is that they SHOULDN'T HAVE TO.", "Fuck you", "This feels like a dream. I have no idea what's happening, or why it's happening.", "I take it you're not American?\n\nWe order packages with items from Amazon. Common thieves loves to come up and steal the packages. It's an epidemic. This guy put some bricks in a box as a package and was waiting for someone to steal it. That's what happened.", "Honestly, depending on the state, you could probably get away with it. There is the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground. The thing is, neither of these would cover Porch Pirates, but I could see juries thinking it's OK. While not a similar case, look at what happened with Treyvon Martin. That should have been clear cut manslaughter, but we see how that can go wrong.", "I can always rely on some redditor to have a dumb take on porch pirates. You can find a bunch of them on the Mark Rober glitterbomb videos.", "The only thing worse than a reposter is a package thief.", "Maybe quote the entire post, or read the entire post before you rail against one part you don't agree with.\n\nHere is the rest of the post that you ignored...\n\nPeople feel helpless. Yes, Amazon will most likely send a replacement, and yes the person should have had it delivered to a locker instead of their home.\n\nThe point is you SHOULDN'T HAVE TO.", "They are invading my property and stealing. No one is forcing them to do it. Yes i am mad if my packet is late by one day because some low life scum decided to steal it. \nPs:I see you keep bringing up property taxes and shit and yea i think taxing me for doing good is bad.", "op" ]	34	videos	Staged Amazon Box Full Of Bricks During Christmas Season For Package Thieves Working As A Team
https://youtu.be/cie8WC4DOTA	/r/videos/comments/rku94x/10_terrifying_things_recovered_from_the_titanic/	[ "buttholes", "crazy", "Packet warch", "TL;Dr \n\n00:57 A Pocket Watch\n\n01:41 Musical Instruments\n\n02:21 Telegraph\n\n02:55 Titanic Radio\n\n03:49 Men’s Shoe\n\n04:31 Cherub Statue \n\n05:10 The Big Piece \n\n05:48 The Bell\n\n06:29 Inspection Card \n\n07:01 A Love Letter" ]	4	videos	10 Terrifying Things Recovered From The Titanic
https://youtu.be/ijEfmJLV5PE	/r/videos/comments/rkuki7/black_hole/	[ "That was awesome.", "Yes", "Well worth the watch.", "I am confused as to why they would call this a black hole when thats not how it works at all. Nothing really happened at the end either. He just gets stuck in a safe only to probably be let out the next day?", "There was an old looney tunes type cartoon with this joke concept. Scientist develops it, but a criminal steals it and uses it to rob z bank and evade a cop.\n\n\nFound it, but it's not in English https://youtu.be/OsrwtVfZL34\n\n\nAlso, the link OP posted is rehosted\n\nHere is the original author's video https://youtu.be/P5_Msrdg3Hk", "Black hole was literal and he probably suffocates before someone notices him", "No ventilation", "It's a hole. It's black.\n\nHe would likely suffocate long before morning. Many high end safes are air-tight. And those that aren't, I can't imaging he'd be able to pull in enough air and expel enough CO2, given how tight the door fits on.", "I suppose it's possible, though I believe some safes aren't fully enclosed due to humidity issues. Whether he lives or dies isn't all in that important though. I just don't understand what the concept of this short video was beyond moving though paper. \n\nMy main gripe is that the video implies it's a true black hole by it getting larger throughout, but doesn't hold the other characteristics.", "The ending makes no sense. How did he fit in the safe? It's not that deep, and it's established only the first object he contacts he can move through so the interior is solid for him. He would have had to get himself into a little ball to fit in there, but he was completely stretched out. I suppose the original idea was a much larger safe that he would have been able to easily crawl into, but this was all they could get, and instead of rewriting the ending they just went with it even though it made no sense.", "In the mind of the writer or director it was getting bigger every time he used it to steal something. When it was big enough he would go in and get trapped. He did it to himself! Of course this was written, not reality, so they could have just as easily written it so he just took the money and left and nothing bad happened to him. In the context of this story the hole getting bigger serves no purpose, it could have started out the same size it was in the end and nothing would have changed. I had no idea the hole was getting bigger until I read comments saying it was getting bigger, so the entire idea was badly implemented.\n\nThe fix would be a very tiny hole and it visibly gets bigger. The money is too far for him to reach in and take it so he runs around the office pulling things through the hole until it's large enough for him to fit through it. Also the part with the disgusting eating sounds.", "huh", "Typical greed/taking shortcuts story.", "But the idea of a portal, perfect sense.", "Even the idea of the hole contradicts itself multiple times. If the cup fell in the hole in the printer, it would imply its empty inside the hole. Then if it worked on the vending machine and the safe, it would imply that it only bypasses the first surface itself because he is able to reach thrugh it. If it could breach the door/surfaces in general, like a portal, then it would need another hole on the end. The concept as a hole (hehe) isnt very grounded.", "Why though?", "Limmy did it better", "also why would he even climb in there in the first place, he can reach everything from there. Like you said, probably a budget thing", "It's not 'rehosted', DUST is a legitimate channel that posts shorts from all kinds of \"authors\". It is 100% with permission.", "The cup falls into the hole, but in the next scene it's established that it's not a hole but a portal. I was trying to figure out if the paper lets him bypass the 1/4\" thick glass, 2\" thick doors, or what?", "I don't think it has to be that deep. It's just a thing that opens a hole through any surface it gets attached to.", "I remember watching this on PBS in like 2007 or 2008.", "Just enjoy it and move on lol" ]	23	videos	Black hole
https://youtu.be/WGnXD0DME30	/r/videos/comments/rkulnh/south_park_stans_song_about_living_on_a_farm/	[ "Damn, that went harder than expected.", "Was that Mastodon?\n\nIf so, it wasn't better than their ATHF Movie intro, but it was still fun.", "The band is Dying Fetus 🤘", "Jimmy is surprisingly fast with those double pedals", "Finger Bang was better imho.", "Personally, I was more of a fan of \"Reach For The Skylar\"", "I pledge allegiance \n\nTo the flag\n\nOf the United States\n\nOF SHELLY SHELLY", "He uses his crutches.", "I still love the lineoleum knife mention in athf. Ive spent years trying to figure out if it's a real thing but either way, Jesus is that metal as hell.", "Ah okay, the clip wasn't long enough to really get a good comparison. Thanks for the assist!", "[DEATH DECLINE - Useless Sacrifice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9hCvvJEgY)", "A linoleum knife is a knife used to cut linoleum flooring", "Its actually this song, I believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9hCvvJEgY\nnot Dying Fetus", ">The band is Dying Fetus\n\nlol why would you say that? why did the other guy think this was mastodon? are there only two metal bands in the world? you guys are funny", "He is confused. Dying Fetus was featured on this episode but on another scene while they are playing in a barn", "Ohhhh shiznaz that makes way more sense than cutting someone with a knife made of linoleum. \n\nI'm gonna go think about my stupidity for a while.", "Butters was also the drummer for Faith+1. Great multi-instrumental musician.", "Loving butters randy rhoads flying V.", "Kenny on that bass", "Go easy on yourself. I once couldn't figure out why people would have put holes in the Holy Bible.", "wrong scene, this is Death Decline", "It’s good to see Stan letting his feelings out in a creative and constructive way. Better then trying to solve his problems by lighting fires anyway", "BANG, BANG!", "They are meh.\n\nDeathcore is it's own beast.\n\nCheck out Thy Art is Murder for better examples of Deathcore IMHO.\n\n[Purest Strain of Hate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-b_VdpCEU)\n\n[Reign Of Darkness](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Plg93oJ1M)\n\n[Make America Hate Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZDbRbG4-k&list=OLAK5uy_kcIxSnSCi_uNrzmwH5GjlvH7mOSDHVm3Y)\n\nEdit: [Types of Metal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiXbz2rXzFA)" ]	24	videos	South Park - Stan's song about living on a farm...
https://youtu.be/BM-mQ2YKO1E	/r/videos/comments/rkun1a/one_year_of_learning_guitar_in_five_minutes/	[ "i hate when people describe 'year of', is that one hour a day? 5? 8,760 hours over 20 years?", "Its stupid because it doesn't give any insight into how much practice has happened.(other than less than 8760 hours)\n\na year of practice for this person could be equivalent to 10 of someone else. its just adds nothing mentioning it at all.", "That's a solid year of learning my friend. Well done.", "Why does it matter? When someone tells you they've been playing music for 10 years, you don't ask \"But exactly how many hours?\"\n\nAlso it literally says at the end that he didn't have a lot of time to practice since he was in the process of getting his Master's so it wouldn't be that much.", "You expect a musician to spend a good chunk of their life playing music, you don't expect the same from a masters student.", "Nahh it is stupid, Thomas Erak wrote and played [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iijmj5nB6I) after he played for about a year.", "I honestly think your progression is insanely good, especially at the beginning. Finger picking and playing like that early on is VERY advanced. Most people are just trying to coordinate their left hand.", "It's not intended to give you specific insight into exactly how many hours of practice that happened. It's just supposed to be a neat video. Why are you calling it names?", "Yes but for people who perhaps want to be hobbyist musicians but aren't, the fact that it took a year means absolutely nothing. Was it a year where every free minute was spent practicing guitar, was it a few hours a day for the first week or so and then an hour per week after that?\n\nIf you're trying to get into music but don't know if you have the time to make any decent progress, then \"hur dur one year\" is completely and utterly useless", "This post officer, this is the negative nancy who swims with his shirt on because he is insecure! Now he is translating his emotinal distress into cyber bullying to make his cock bigger when all he has to do is follow MoistCritkalz on Twitch for the same results!", "NGL id fuck him", "Having played a bit of guitar myself, I can say this is pretty far beyond what the average hobbyist would achieve in a year. Much respect, you play wonderfully!", "It clearly says 5 minutes, can you fucking read?", "I'm not disputing that. I'm commenting on the fact that somebody asked how many hours it took to get an idea of progress over actual time spent and all the responses lambasted them for asking in the first place because that's not what musicians do", "Good god dude just stop, it's embarrassing.", "Is it so bad for somebody to ask how many hours practice something took? To me it seems like incredible progress, probably the quickest I've seen especially up to the sort of 4 month mark so I was intrigued to find out how many hours they had to spend to get so good so quickly." ]	16	videos	One Year of Learning Guitar, in Five Minutes
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkux1i/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkux1i/deleted_by_user/	[ ">The most expensive robot in Robot Wars history is worth buns and beads now!\n\nThis is what the announcers get paid the big bucks.", "Isn't this design basically identical to Tombstone from BattleBots?", "A lot of designed are reused in these programmes as people try to take the best ideas from previous winners", "I'd avoided this show thinking it was just a big rip off of BattleBots, but this was fun. I'm guessing it's the UK variant? Would be amusing to see Tombstone from the other series compete against Carbide...", "Other way round, Robots Wars came first and BattleBots was the copy of it", "Did they? \nI prefer BattleBots over Robot Wars. BB is more about bot vs bot. RW seams to be all about the production value, and saw many battles lost due to minor accidents with environmental flaws and the unfairness with the house robots.", "I think I have seen much more destructive wins in battle bots", "Yeah. A rudimentary google search says Robots wars pre-dates battlebots by over 2 years.", "Ah, thx for the clarification. I should probably poke around and see what I missed...", "man i miss those house bots." ]	10	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/kUzQzQq8WHA?t=1	/r/videos/comments/rkvitd/my_dad_borrowed_one_of_my_action_cams_and_made/	[ "Amateur. A real pro would have modeled inside the tunnels also. /s\n\nlol.", "I could totally get into this if I had the space. I'd go full weeb Yamanote Line replica.", "Too many tunnels. I wanted to see the scenery more.", "awesome shot", "I enjoyed this.", "I want a video game where I just build giant train networks.", "Why was this not a point of view from a first class passenger? I ordered the chicken.", "The tunnels are build in a way, that when multiple trains are operated at once, they disappear and reappear somewhere else on the layout. Usually you don't see the inside of course.", "There are literally friends dozens of good games that do that", "OpenTTD?\n\nAnd factorio I guess.", "Hey OP, what camera do you use/recommend for this? My father just retired and turned his whole basement into a train platform this year, I would love to get him a camera so he can do this too! \n\nLet me know, pretty please!", ">I would love to get him a camera so he can do this too!\n\nThe one my dad used isn't ~~sold~~ produced anymore and even there you need a certain wagon to go with it, otherwise it gets stuck on tunnels.\n\nHere I explain in full what setup my dad used (was asked about this when my dads video first became popular in 2018): [https://youtu.be/T5ohb2Uh\\_FI?t=19](https://youtu.be/T5ohb2Uh_FI?t=19)", "Thanks! I can probably find a used one as well, or at least know what I should consider when looking for specs on a newer model.\n\nDamn, that's an expensive camera!", "Nowadays an Insta360 camera (go2) is probably better/cheaper" ]	14	videos	My dad borrowed one of my action cams and made this video of his model railway
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkvj7v/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkvj7v/deleted_by_user/	[ "Didn’t someone die from a shirt cannon? I thought I remember seeing it on the news or something", "Maude Flanders?", "Oh yeah lol.", "lol" ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/mdzkV5meLY0	/r/videos/comments/rkvund/russian_soldier_describes_the_horror_of_napoleons/	[ "I feel like this can be made into it’s own mini series..", "Absolutely. The problem with these is that the production cost to do it properly is off the scale.\n\nI'd also pay to watch the battles of Ceaser in the Roman civil war. There were so many and it was wild the tactics and everything. Just incredible.", "Napoleon was absolutely insane in terms of the impact he had on European history.\n\nThe phrase \"Bogeyman\" is actually created in reference to Napoleon. \n\nHis full name is Napoleon Bonaparte and the British used to tease children than the \"Boneyman\" (AKA Bonaparte) was going to come and \"get you\" of you didn't eat your dinner (etc).\n\nThat evolved to Bogeyman over time and especially after Napoleon fell from power.", "I didn't know that, this is fascinating thanks for sharing!", "Interesting that they conquered and destroyed Moscow when they needed it to survive the winter", "Moscow was almost certainly set on fire by the Russians to deny the French the city. Even if it didn't burn it wasn't like there was any food left behind.", "> The phrase \"Bogeyman\" is actually created in reference to Napoleon. \n\nSource please, the etymology paragraph in the [Wikipedia article on bogeyman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman#Etymology) has no reference whatsoever to Napoleon, instead citing Middle English names like bogge or bugge.", "Bogeyman \n \n [Etymology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman#Etymology) \n \n >The word bogey originated in the mid-19th century, originally as a quasi-proper name for the devil. It may derive from the Middle English bogge or bugge, meaning a terror or scarecrow. It relates to bugbear, from bug, meaning goblin or scarecrow, and bear, an imaginary demon in the form of a bear that ate small children. It was also used to mean a general object of dread.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "It's dumb because people now worship people like that from the past, literal mass murderers. If Hitler took power maybe forty years sooner or maybe some time in the future and another two hundred years pass, people would be praising him just the same. It's bizarre. I would say that it's a flaw in human psychology but it isn't even that, it's very easy to just teach history in the proper context, but people don't, and people don't listen or they don't read into it." ]	9	videos	Russian soldier describes the horror of Napoleon's 1812 invasion of Russia
https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU	/r/videos/comments/rkw85g/exploding_broken_down_tesla_model_s/	[ "I'm looking forward to third party hardware with these things. I get that the tech is expensive, but 20k for a battery pack is pretty freaking insane.", "[TL;DW - here's the money shot](https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU?t=419).", "So what he can't fit in his press, he blows up??? \n\nI'd know that voice anywhere!", "Destruction via highly-energetic materials will never not be cool.", "Holy what a waist of tech.", "Holy what a waist of tech.", "I didn't bother watching the first part, they did actually remove the battery before they blew it up?", "Yes. And the motors and other salvageable stuff." ]	8	videos	Exploding Broken Down Tesla Model S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bTLYx-_8s	/r/videos/comments/rkwjm9/all_the_small_things_but_its_got_half_time_drums/	[ "I like this", "Wait a minute, was Angels and Airwaves just half time drums Blink 182 this whole time?", "Bruce Willis was a ghost all along and Verbal Kint is Keyser Soze.\n\nThe 90's loved twists!", "Exactly my thoughts. Good catch." ]	4	videos	All The Small Things but its got half time drums - Alex Melton
https://youtu.be/lAo2AVzimns	/r/videos/comments/rkwkv5/touring_the_washington_square_mall_in_tigard/	[ "Din Tai Fung is the bomb", "I'm eager to try it. This many years since it opened, and I have yet to convince my wife to set foot anywhere near the place, and she loves this type of food.", "It's not your regular mall food court place, it's definitely elevated for its location. Seeing them hand make the dumplings out front was all I needed to try it" ]	3	videos	Touring the Washington Square Mall in Tigard, Oregon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkx4hl/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkx4hl/deleted_by_user/	[ "Ah yes, the Rutles. Bigger than Go . . . er . . . [Rod](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o_HbyIZXY0)!", "I just want to articulate how weird this is, I had a dream a long time ago that was like a snl sketch and a Monty python sketch with Paul McCartney in it, I even remember there being a laugh track in it. anyways, I just went on living and kinda forgot about, until today when I woke up and immediately recalled the dream and went to youtube and looked up \"monty python paul McCartney\" and I find this.\n\nI've never seen this- and if something like this exists with a laugh track- then bam that's the one I watched. But I've seen a lot of monty python and snl- and the only thing I can surmise is that I some how knew that this documentary exists by osmosis.", "[ Jump to 50:44 @ The Rutles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83R53tX0ts8&t=0h50m44s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Vince King, Video Length: [01:13:31])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@50:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83R53tX0ts8&t=0h50m39s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "There was a Rutles segment during Eric Idle's SNL hosting gig - Season 2 Episode 3 from October 1976. I suspect that might be what you're remembering: [Rutles on SNL](https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-rutles/3004147)", "Ah, the Prefab Four.\n\nThe Rutles was the biggest, most enduring product of [Rutland Weekend Television](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutland_Weekend_Television), which was a sketch show written, post-Python, by Eric Idle. Most of the music was by Neil Innes (of Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band).\n\nAt the time the largest commercial TV channel in England was London Weekend Television, covering the London metropolitan area, and beyond (the Home Counties) - population right now in excess of 10 million. Rutland, by contrast, is the smallest of the 27 administrative counties that make up England, by quite a margin, with only two towns and a current total population of under 40,000. Hence the choice of name.", "that's probably what got seeded in there" ]	11	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/lpt_Ang9qyQ	/r/videos/comments/rkxi7s/compelling_video_of_a_british_womans_encounter/	[ "Almost as compelling as the [Battle of Pearl Harbor re-enacted by the women of the Battly Town Women's Guild.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wcfv9)", "Couldn't ever get in to Monty Python myself", "How so? To me it makes it a little more credible. With today's technology there's a lot more things that could be mistaken as a UFO such as drones and high powered lasers. In 1954 these things were a lot less common. She seems genuine but it could still be made up. It is an interesting topic though; especially with new UAP news being released. Even 60 minutes did a story recently", "Do you mean aliens? Because of course there are UFOs confirmed by the military. UFO is just an object that they cant identify, it doesnt mean aliens.", "To me UFOs won't be real until the encounter is explained by [Surfer Dude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5F_7DwPpo)", "This is staged.\n\nThat woman is clearly an alien.", "I know this is weird but I'm finding her voice so sexy dammit. No one talks like this anymore.", "Strange comment. But you might want to move to England." ]	8	videos	Compelling video of a British woman's encounter with a UFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XjrBjfofiE	/r/videos/comments/rky6mb/july_23rd_2014_was_a_national_day_of_mourning_in/	[ "Ratfucked", "I'm assuming this is for the victims of the MH shoot down but maybe say that in the title", "What has astounded me is the investigation launched by the Dutch government into MH17. \n\nThat, and the complete lack of reporting in many portions of the world about how a Russian-made missile guidance system definitely shot down MH17. \n\nNot sayinggg the Russian government shot down a Malaysian plane carrying 198 Dutch passengers. Am saying that the missile system would definitely not have been there were it not for that particular element of that conflict. And, we know where the guns are coming from.\n\nToday, 8 years later, Eastern Ukraine remains gripped by conflict and media behave like Putin is Dr. Evil and Russia is pariah-state, but we still play nice with Russia. Germany still buys their oil. Nord Stream 2 is operational, but a hot potato. \n\n2014 MH17 downing reviews:\n\nSee [LIVE report delivery](https://youtu.be/oHcnO_zVf_Q) 13 October 2015 via RT. (YouTube would like you to note that RT is a media company that is funded/operated in part or whole by the Russian government. Like the CBC and PBS.) 33m38s\n\n[See PBS](https://youtu.be/pu2x3V20y7k) 3m38s\n\nSee [Dutch Safety Board](https://youtu.be/KDiLEyT9spI) simulation in English. 19m58s\n\n2021 Ukraine in the center of a firestorm \n\n[Newsweek](www.newsweek.com/europe-energy-crisis-just-got-even-worse-1661136) ‐ \"European Energy Crisis\".\n\n[Vox](https://www.vox.com/2021/12/8/22824015/russia-ukraine-troops-tensons-putin-biden-nato)\n\n2014 Attempt to quell\n\n[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262) and [United Nations](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/767565?ln=en)] on GA Resolution 68/262 adopted before Downing MH17. \n\n2021?\n\nWhat happens when fire meets powderkeg?", "[United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262) \n \n >United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 was adopted on March 27, 2014 by the sixty-eighth session of the United Nations General Assembly in response to the Russian annexation of Crimea and entitled \"Territorial integrity of Ukraine\". The non-binding resolution, which was supported by 100 United Nations member states, affirmed the General Assembly's commitment to the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders and underscored the invalidity of the 2014 Crimean referendum. Eleven nations voted against the resolution, while 58 abstained, and a further 24 states were absent when the vote took place.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)" ]	4	videos	July 23rd, 2014 was a national day of mourning in the Netherlands. The first 40 remains were back on Dutch soil (193 of the 298) and were like the others identity and given back to their loved ones. It's 2 clips, after a week on a field in a war zone (Ukraine), this was the dignity they deserved.
https://youtu.be/CKSEOZ8R3oo	/r/videos/comments/rkyl5o/worlds_dirtiest_censored_song_uncensored/	[ "This legit made me laugh out loud. Especially the blatant no-effort to conceal \"fuck\" at the end.", "Just know that this is nothing new under the sun. It's known as a [subverted rhyme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subverted_rhyme) and this type is based on an old rhyme called [Miss Susie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Susie).", "[Subverted rhyme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subverted_rhyme) \n \n >A subverted rhyme, teasing rhyme or mind rhyme is the suggestion of a rhyme which is left unsaid and must be inferred by the listener. A rhyme may be subverted either by stopping short, or by replacing the expected word with another (which may have the same rhyme or not). Teasing rhyme is a form of innuendo, where the unsaid word is taboo or completes a sentence indelicately. An example, in the context of cheerleading: where the presumption is that the listener anticipates the chant ending with \"ass\" rather than \"other knee\".\n \n[Miss Susie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Susie) \n \n >\"Miss Susie had a steamboat\", also known as \"Hello Operator\", \"Miss Suzy\", \"Miss Lucy\", and many other names, is the name of an American schoolyard rhyme in which each verse leads up to a rude word or profanity which is revealed in the next verse as part of an innocuous word or phrase. Originally used as a jump-rope rhyme, it is now more often sung alone or as part of a clapping game. Hand signs sometimes accompany the song, such as pulling on the bell in the first verse or making a phone gesture in the second. This song is sometimes combined or confused with \"Miss Lucy had a baby\", which is sung to the same tune and also served as a jump-rope song.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Have a Bahamian version of this from the 1960s.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85GQcSkh0g", "One fuck given?", "No one thinks it's new you cock-a-doodle-doodle", "This and 'Kyle's Mom' from the Southpark movie are two of my favorite songs from this show, even better than the Chef's salty balls.", "[Reminds me of this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TywmpMQYojs)", "That’s the joke", "That’s one of many jokes, but was my favorite." ]	10	videos	World's dirtiest censored song [Uncensored]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rkzcba/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rkzcba/deleted_by_user/	[ "Lyrics are perfect for this feat", "The guy's voice is pretty good!", "That song is 🔥🔥🔥", "Bonk it", "I honestly believe this is art of the highest quality I've seen in a long time. This is the art that we'll look back in time and think this was a golden period.\n\nThe lyrics, the collages, the memes and the reveal are spectacular! They send shivers down your spine. Perfectly composed!\n\nI'd not be even surprised if some of the creators of this will one day become celebrities. Even Tarantino was just a quirky weird dude on his first movie." ]	7	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/9bzQYKm3xTA	/r/videos/comments/rl0pcp/this_giant_deepsea_jellyfish_was_captured_on_video/	[ "How big is that? \nNeed a banana for scale", "Oh yeah, NOPE", "Google told me the “bell” was ~3’ wide and the “arms” (I thought they were tentacles) are ~33’ long", "It's a giant death blanket", "Proof that aliens have visited this planet.", "hmmm", "Jesus wtf thats huge. There are so many things that are fucked and the world is one of them.", "It's like a giant chandelier made out of silk sheets", "I used to think ancient sailors were naive for believing in fairy tale creatures but no, they were right about the sea monsters.", "Fucking gross", "Sorry guys I threw my condom in the ocean", "Nope. The dementors have arrived. Nope.", "Does not look like a monster to me tbh,it has an ethereal beauty.", "No.", "I love how it has this majestic music playing in the background, like we're witnessing this sight of beauty, like a wild horse in a meadow or something.\n\nBut in reality, it's a horrific nightmare monster.", "You know when you are swimming in the ocean and something touches your leg, it’s always one of these things.", "I call it big mumba, everyone else should too.", "We really do live on an alien world", "Touch it", "How much is that in any real-world unit?", "the ocean is the scariest shit ever", "lol", "if this thing was in the pool, you wouldn't get in tho", "That's insane, I would love to see some crazy motherfucker swim up next to it so we could get a good scale comparison.", "That'd make a bad ass anime character like Phantom Jellyfishhead or something.", "The best part is that this thing is usually in complete darkness. Could you imagine brushing up against that thing in the dark? \n\nYeah, no thanks.", "Is the red a product of the camera light or does it legitimately have a sinister red glow?", "youre the reason we need a banana", "Will Smith would", "You can't tell from the video, but those little white dots around it, those are the people swimming nearby when this sighting occured.", "3' = ~1 m\n\n33' = ~10.06 m", "that woulda been a horror movie", "[I think this is it ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stygiomedusa?wprov=sfla1) there isn't a whole lot of information on the page but it seems they lack the stinging nematocysts of other jellies.", "This is totally where Pad See Ew comes from! Look at those noodles." ]	34	videos	This giant deepsea jellyfish was captured on video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rolz1VasS4	/r/videos/comments/rl1oo2/jagger_inducts_the_beatles_into_rr_hall_of_fame/	[ "Isn’t that a bit like one American conducting the service to burry another American in Westminster Abbey?", "At [3:19](https://youtu.be/0rolz1VasS4?t=199) is that Bob Dylan just spitting on the floor?!? Or George?", "The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is to rock what Twin Galaxies is to gaming.\n\nAn irrelevant joke.", "Thanks for sharing" ]	8	videos	Jagger inducts the Beatles into RR Hall of Fame
https://youtu.be/J1okpAj7Fhw	/r/videos/comments/rl201a/johnny_mnemonic_i_want_room_service/	[ "It’s the climax of the movie, and we find out the main characters motive is…hookers and hotel rooms lol. Insane movie, worth a watch though.", "\"I want raw absorb ass\"", "Keanu is not a good actor. This scene is not good acting. He always does the same jerky style, the name just changes, Ted, Jonny or Neo. \n\nIn Johnny Mnemonic he is in his worst, but the movie is good." ]	3	videos	Johnny Mnemonic - I want room service!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VsgT5gfMc	/r/videos/comments/rl2jju/right_clicking_all_the_nfts/	[ "It's not the image that's the asset, it's the transaction on the Blockchain that people value. The bill of sale is what the most cherished thing is, not the content itself. \n\nDon't ask me why they value it, but the \"right-click\" argument doesn't make much sense to me, and shows that they don't understand the concept, no matter how silly it may be to some.", "While that may be true, the value of the content isn't there if it can be easily shared once bought. If I buy a house, I own the house, on paper and in real life. I have the keys and can open the doors. I can sell it myself later. But being able to wait until someone copies and shares it would be cheaper. Now if someone does only value the bill of sale, then that is the product. Which negates the idea of an NFT being used for the receipt of a transaction because it is the transaction.", "That’s something the video touched on really well.", "I think for digital art, you're exactly right. But I do personally believe that the concept of an NFT as a proof of ownership and transaction is valid. Maybe just not for something you can right-click and set as your wallpaper.", "I suppose I should quit being such a fucking redditor about it and watch the video I'm commenting on huh", "Yeah, its actually the basis of the entire video." ]	6	videos	Right Clicking All The NFTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwNi8DxdNc&ab_channel=NickAcosta	/r/videos/comments/rl37ak/the_star_wars_holiday_special_finally_in_glorious/	[ "It's a Life Day Miracle!", "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should!", "... trailer. Not the whole special.", "delete this from your mind, you were never here. you never saw this. r/eyebleach is there for you.", "man that song just slaps", "Everybody should experience this masterpiece at least once in their lives. It's truly the most spectacular piece of shit ever recorded.", "Nothing like a good train wreck", "\"Just what I always wanted\"", "Still better than Last Jedi", "Wow, great... now it looks, worst.", "Grampa Wookie watching VR porn is the scene that really made me say WTF?", "Does it look like I know what an E-Web is?", "Tbh better than rise is Skywalker and force awakens too.", "Oh jeez, go to 1:20 to see Marks mangled mug and mascara eyes. This would have been about a year after his almost tragic accident.", "I was a HUGE Star Wars fan, it was to the point I could name any random background character.\n\nI remember watching the White & Nerdy music video as a kid with my brother and sister right after it came out, when the clip of him buying the Star Wars holiday special in a back alley came on I laughed saying and saying that's not real... How wrong I was..\n\nI legitimately don't know what's worse, the holiday special or those fucking Ewok adventure movies. To be fair, I haven't seen the Ewok movies since I was a kid, but I was extremely disappointed by them. \"THIS ISN'T STAR WARS, WHERE'S THE LASERS!?!? LAAAAAAAAASERS!!!\"", "[ Jump to 01:20 @ The Star Wars Holiday Special. 4K 60FPS Modern Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwNi8DxdNc&t=0h1m20s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Nick Acosta, Video Length: [02:01])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwNi8DxdNc&t=0h1m15s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "That ads helped me get through watching Chewbacca’s entire family roar at each other.", "The Ewok movies are pretty lame, but thats nothing compared to the spectacular disaster that is the Holiday Special. lol", "I'm gonna need a gif of the stormtrooper smashing the little Wookiee's computer, that was so awesomely aggressive", "Someone call RLM! Mike and Rich's Christmas is saved!", "Their two videos about it have become a tradition for me.", "That sequence needs to be put in a loop - perfect for when you need to extract information from terrorists.", "There is very little that is redeemable about this piece of garbage other than for it’s “historic” value.\n\nIt truly is just trash and it’s really not even fun to watch in a “so bad it’s good” way. Mostly it’s just boring and that might be it’s biggest crime…along with everything else.", "I know this is just a joke but…yeah no. This thing really is an abomination that ain’t even remotely watchable.", "They definitely should.", "Let's take a moment to remind how hard Lucas tried to remove this thing from existence.\n\nFail.", "The hero we all deserve, but we don't need.", "Did you know they made an updated Lego Holiday Special? Complete with Rey, Palatine, and even time travel... \n\nNo joke.", "if for no other reason than to see the first appearance of Boba Fett... and Carrie sing. I really miss her RIP (though in Carries case, I think P=Party)", "Looks like an adult swim parody", "Not the whole thing. Just a trailer.", "> This thing really is an abomination that ain’t even remotely watchable.\n\nSounds like the entire sequel trilogy to me!", "The first one where they spend 45 minutes not talking about the special might be the single best video they've ever uploaded, and I don't say that lightly.", "Yeah, I love that I was at first confused but got the joke. Love when they start actually talking about it on that episode and Jay is like, \"Let's stay ON TOPIC. Mike, go ahead with your story.\" So good.", "If you haven't already, you should watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ).", "How was this done? I thought the thing was shot on video, but this looks like it's a HD film.\n\nOr is this just upscaling the video and doing a bunch of fancy digital fill-the-gaps?", "That’s a low bar", "STIR WHIP STIR WHIP STIR WHIP STIR WHIP!", "Don't do it. It'll change you. This thing is as long as the actual fucking movies, but feels like an ETERNITY", "> Grampa Wookie watching VR porn\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/i96sjh/hey_remember_when_chewbaccas_dad_watched_vr_porn/", "If the Star Wars Holiday Special was a feeling, it would be the way you feel after eating too much, being past 'having a good time' drunk, annoyed at your family for talking about politics at Christmas and way too fucking warm because your aunt that's always cold insisted that the thermostat be bumped to 80F.\n\nEdit: also where you're sitting on the couch and be so tired that you don't have enough energy to get yourself comfortable to nap all the while knowing that if you fall asleep you'll wake up with pain in your neck and a headache.", ">Your scientists\n\nCocain isn't science.", "I don't know about this specifically, but in recent years it's been possible to train a neural network to generate a higher resolution image. So it's more advanced than just generating smooth lines, it had an awareness of what things look like.\n\nSome phones have similar features: Pixels have a smart zoom that doesn't look pixelated and also a people-remover a bit like photoshop's content-aware-fill.", "I learned about this from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. Feel as though I've already seen it and watching this highlights reel have a new appreciation for everything Josh and Chuck were saying.... wow.", "He goes into more detail in his description, short answer is that he used up conversion software.", "These men are pawns", "I actually watched this 11 years ago. That was enough.", "How else am I going to learn how to fight the frizzies?", "I understand the fascination with this piece of shit. But as a huge 11 year old fan of Star Wars back in '78, it represents a massive disappointment in my life. They hyped the shit out of it in commercials leading up to the TV broadcast. I was like 30 minutes into it and thinking \"how could they have done this to us\"?", "Better than one of the best Star Wars movies ever made? Not sure I can agree on that one.", "Haha - I know this is a controversial opinion. Agree to disagree. :)", "Have you seen The Last Jedi yet?", "As someone who's seen this before, no one wanted nor needed this version.", "Fair point", "I'm old enough to have seen this when it first came out, and even as a five year-old who was nuts about Star Wars, I thought it was boring and stupid. Ended up playing with my legos in front of the TV." ]	55	videos	The Star Wars Holiday Special - finally in glorious 4K!
https://youtu.be/n7SMl5aj6ow	/r/videos/comments/rl3dbm/mario_64_rtx_on/	[ "That was... unsettling.", "sounds like meatcanyon", "MAMA MIA!", "So much edge that your going to cut your self on it." ]	4	videos	MARIO 64 - RTX ON
https://youtu.be/yOQAk89MXvU	/r/videos/comments/rl4eqy/the_us_military_thought_it_was_a_great_idea_to/	[ "But in their defence, there was a spider over there", "The only way to be sure!", "For when you wanna smack your enemy with the hand of god while still being close enough for them to see you mooning them", "That whole video seems like something you’d find in Fallout", "Russian tanks rolling across Europe needed to be dealt with.", "It was a good idea. One artillery shell with the firepower of an entire battery? Hells yes.\n\nBetter than the Davey Crockett.", "They also thought it was a great idea to give a unit a tactical nuke\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)", "[Davy Crockett (nuclear device)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_\$nuclear_device\$) \n \n >The M-28 or M-29 Davy Crockett Weapon System was a tactical nuclear recoilless smoothbore gun for firing the M388 nuclear projectile, armed with the W54 nuclear warhead, that was deployed by the United States during the Cold War. It was the first, and, at the time, the most important project assigned to the United States Army Weapon Command in Rock Island, Illinois. It remains one of the smallest nuclear weapon systems ever built, with a yield of 20 tonnes of TNT (84 GJ). It is named after American folk hero, soldier, and congressman Davy Crockett.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "This is literally what the fat man in fallout is based off", "It's so funny that you would post this b/c last week I got to meet one of the guys who put the warheads together! He said he was a watch making apprentice Before he got drafted so they had him start assembling the warhead b/c the Intricacies were similar!", "Um, we still do. Just because we don't throw them at anyone doesn't mean they don't exist.", "... im pretty sure i fought this thing in metal gear" ]	12	videos	The US military thought it was a great idea to put nuclear tipped shells on Artillery in the 1950s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7jlsKCsMD8&ab_channel=Keepup	/r/videos/comments/rl5fo5/that_time_eminem_did_a_surprise_performance/	[ "Apparently the sound guy was so surprised he didn’t turn em’s mic.", "In the same vein I was at the Reading 2013 Festival watching Eminem play. He started Stan and then Dido came on and everyone went nuts.", "Could imagine paying to attend a concert where it is so loud you can’t hear the performance?", "You could?" ]	4	videos	That time Eminem did a surprise performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0eflYLkI4A	/r/videos/comments/rl5gu6/hey_remember_the_80s/	[ "Cool video. Horrible song choice.", "You shut your mouth, that's a great song.", "How about the Summer of Thriller?", "Here is what I believe to be the best year ever in film.\n\n[1984](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_in_film)\n\nJust peruse that list a bit. It’s amazing how many solid films were made that year. 1985 ain’t bad either. Just have a look.", "Better times, man. Thanks OP, made me nostalgic, even though I was barely alive in the 80's.", "Thanks for posting such a beautiful video. \n\nI crossed posted this in the nostalgia subreddit. Hope you don’t mind.", "I held it together until the fist pump/johnny b goode jump, then I lost my shit \n\n\nWhat an era", "You copied this comment from YouTube.", "The comment is copy and pasted from the YouTube comments, so are some of the the others in this thread. Reddit is overrun with bots.", "The one I replied to?", "Yep and 3 others", "So 50% of these celebs were on coke, right?\n\nI’m kidding of course, but was cocaine really as prevalent as it’s joked about?", "More than half...\n\nCoke was everywhere in the '80s.", "I really like this video. Thank you for posting. The nostalgia.", "Nostalgia is a hellva drug, but it is a drug and it makes you forget all the trash that was released during that time.\n\nIt wasn't a better period, only the good stuff is memorable.", "That felt good. Thank you 😊", "Wholesome..", "Cobra Kai my dude", "80's, the least timeless decade of all the decades.", "This just brought back all the terrible feelings I had/have.\n\nI was 13 in 1986 and as a gay dude, I felt so fucking alone.\n\nI remember hearing this song back then and watching all these clips and remember being absolutely alone and knowing that the lyrics in the song would never ever be for me, as I would never find anyone.", "80s nostalgia is Redditor catnip. That said, awesome work.", "The correct answer will always be 1999. With such classics as Johnny Tsunami, Smart House, and Zenon : Girl of the 21st Century. \n\nThough 84 is pretty good, I guess.", "Editor is a big fan of the Breakin series", "That's some dark shit man.... I sincerely hope times have improved for you. For what it's worth I'm sending a virtual hug and I really wish you the best.", "No Simpsons and no Seinfeld. Weird.", "Man this video gets posted a lot and this song is still terrible.", "I was born in the 80s but I probably have more love and nostalgia for 80s shit than 90s honestly. That’s probably only half true if I think about it.", "Nice copy paste", "As fun as this video is, the 80's fucking sucked. Very easy to look back with rose-tinted glasses.", "Warm warm nostalgia.", "That just made me realize how much shit a brain can hold. And that was just a 4 and a half minute sample of one decade!", "True product of the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bNF\\_8ZWYK4", "I was born in '78 and remember almost all of this. I had decent, yet largely hands-off parents. I remember watching Terminator when it first premiered on HBO. Anyway, love the nostalgia. It warms the cold soul.", "Do you know why I think 80's nostalgia is so pure. It's the last decade before 24/7 news network and the internet gave us an unfiltered look into everyone's daily life. Back then it was possible to be obliviously to a lot of the hard times like Chernobyl, cold war, serial killers (holy shit there are a ton in the 80's), racial inequalities, etc. I could go on but for the average person it was easy to live a sheltered and secluded life. So no wonder 80's teens look back on it so highly. I look back to the 00's and all I see is tragedy with a few sprinkles of good times.", "r/MadeMeSmile", "I don't know.\n\nWhat \"new\" thing today will be having reboots and sequels 30 years from now?", "Same. I have two older brothers, and I got introduced to a lot of 80s songs despite how young I was. I also recognize most of these films. The one thing you could count on for most of them was that they were feel-good and they had happy endings. They were also a bit predictable in that sense, but remarkable just the same. \n\nBig, Manakin, Flashdance, Weird Science, Top Gun, Days of Thunder. There were so many.", "I would say 80s percent", "Probably the new reboots and sequels of today will have new reboots and sequels in 30 years.", "I thought you were going to say \"I'm kidding of course, it's more like 100%\".\n\nCoke was rampant in the 80s for celebrities. Today it's around as well, but I don't think it's AS bad (though still bad).", "So…100%", "I turned 17 in 1980. This was great. Thank you.", "It is - but it's of association. A lot of the shows I see and have fond memories of aren't a comment to the quality of the show, but to the people I watched them with. \n\nTransformers and Ninja Turtles were the language of my friends at the time, and although I don't care much for the shows these days - whenever I see those images I think of the fond memories I had with my friends in that era.\n\nWas it better than now ? Maybe, maybe not - but life is so much easier now. For me the biggest breakthrough in my life is being able to see if I've missed the bus or not. Might not sound like much - but that's the highlight of my life.", "What sucked about it", "the lack of buckaroo bonzai is heartbreaking", "Good times", "Did you grow up in it?", "Mr. Moneybags over here", "Pretty subjective dont you think?", "Well technically yes but I was a tad young as I was born in 83, that's why i asked what was wrong", "Another gentle reminder that I'm old.", "Seinfeld started in July 89 and Simpsons in December. While they technically started then, wouldn’t most people would say they think of those as quintessential 90s shows?", "Great clip but the YouTube comments are very r/lewronggeneration", "Honestly it had its drawbacks, but, things looked bright, things were looking good, then the 90s happened.", "To me, 1980s, and 1990s, were the last really feel good decades for American culture. Since then it’s hard to answer the following question: when’s the last shared National experience? When’s the last time America celebrated anything? It’s been downhill since 9/11 IMO. Our culture is just constant bad news.", "To be oblivious to all those things you'd have to be incredibly stupid, near brain dead levels, or NEVER read a newspaper, watch a news broadcast, talk to anyone about current events, just live a totally, willfully oblivious lifestyle.\n\nYou can still be a totally out of touch person today, with all the distractions it's EASIER than ever to be an oblivious moron.\n\nDon't buy internet access, just have a flip phone, just watch vapid shit like certain reality TV shows, or maybe play a bunch of video games, ones that have no connection to our actual world.\n\nOr you could just party, party, party. Still lots of drugs out there. Go to the clubs all the time, drink and dance and do drugs and fuck until your mind turns to mush.", "I really don't get the point of that kind of copy/paste shit.", "Not weird. Those are both much more associated with the 90s.\n\nBoth had their first season start in 1989, Hell, Simpsons first aired in December of 1989, the 80s decade was over.", "i will never forget that feeling hearing rock lobster for the first time.\n\nextra thank you for showing the great gregory hines in running scared with billy crystal", "Haha, ya having HBO meant you were well off.", "And don't forget Blockbuster. Oh I miss going to the video store.", "There is good and bad in every time period. The brain is wired to forget the bad with time. When it doesn't, and gets stuck experiencing the bad, its diagnosed as PTSD.", "Very fun as someone who lived through the 80s there was a lot of great stuff.\n\nOne thing the video was missing - the crippling fear of nuclear annihilation was a very real thing and I remember being extremely stressed about it as a child. Movies like \"The Day After\" or whatever it was called was just too scary for me to watch.", "Last Airbender", ">NEVER read a newspaper, watch a news broadcast, talk to anyone about current events, just live a totally, willfully oblivious lifestyle.\n\nAka being a kid? I imagine many people ITT who are nostalgic for the 80s were children at the time. Old enough to remember and be tapped into pop culture but young enough to not be watching the news or following current events that much", "As a 90's kid, this makes me want to have lived through the 80's......", "Anything pre-social media was a better time. I appreciate I’m making that statement on social media!", "Crazy to think how much time I have spent in life on just watching entertainment.. I have seen easily more then 90% of the movie/show/music clips shown in this. To be fair nearly everyone was watching the same stuff back then.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIf you did something nowadays I am sure I wouldn't know half of it, since there is so much sheer content out there.", "Or it meant you had a \"black box.\" Remember those? I sure do.", "Making the 80's the supreme decade", "You can be a dumb, tuned out kid right now.", "Dune, as a recent example. The 80s version was bad", "How's life going being a \"well-informed\" malcontent?", "Cool. It's like a mini Smash TV episode.", "Eh, not bad. \n\nI'm only \"medium-informed\" and mostly content though.", "Well the Simpsons shorts that appeared on the Tracy Ullman show were entirely a product of the 80s, starting in 87. They also have a unique art style that is visibly different from the show itself, so it certainly could have been used but I'm guessing the creator just didn't think about it.", "This is exactly it. I recognized everything in the video... from my childhood. I was living my life under the protective umbrella of my parent's hushed conversations around the dinner table at night.", ">[ the Simpsons shorts that appeared on the Tracy Ullman show were entirely a product of the 80s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-sXM3QM74)", "I read a newspaper through the 80s, and I was a kid then (born in 74). We also watched the news a lot. I mean, we always feared the Russians and Cold War, knew about racial inequality, AIDS, lots of bad things. I think it’s just that everyone thinks fondly of their childhood, no matter when it was.", "Or you just had one of those free promotional weekends. That’s how I watched Silence of the Lambs for the first time.", "I backup my initial claim with the fact that reviews for Dune 1984 are 6.4/10 on IMDb, and in the 40% range on rotten tomatoes and metacritic. Meanwhile Dune 2021 is 8.2/10 on IMDb and 83% and 74% on rotten tomatoes and metacritic, respectively.", "I miss spending an hour at Blockbuster on a Friday night arguing with my friends about what to watch.", "Well it's funny that you say that, and that this video included a clip of Freddy Mercury. Anyone who personally experienced the AIDs epidemic would almost certainly disagree with things looking bright. For the gay community it was apocalyptic. \n\nSame goes for crack, government corruption, financial deregulation, the destruction of unions.... all things we are paying for still.\n\nI love 80's nostalgia, but if you weren't white, straight and middle class in the 80's, you might have different feelings about it.", "I mean this is just the entertainment of the decade, lot of bad shit came out of the 80s too.", "That's great for you but not necessarily normal. It's also generally easier for kids to keep that separated from their day to day and easier to forget that stuff when thinking of one's childhood", "Yes. [Just look at these magazine ads from the 70s and 80s](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/cocaine-paraphernalia-ads-1970s/)", "Great collection of clips. I still listen to that Boy Meets Girl album, what a song.", "This, and in spite of the problems we have now, there are a lot of awesome things in the now. Once you start telling yourself it was better in the past you miss out on seeing those things", "Unless you were a minority, had aids, didn't smoke, understood what Reagan was, etc", "Nah", "Yep, I was born in 84 and had a wonderful family life so my first ten years were blissfully ignorant and joyful. All the movie and tv show nostalgia is a great reminder, but I laugh when people have 80s parties and think that decade was neon. It was a lot of brown too.", "While watching OP's video, I sort of came to realize that a big part of what makes that generation different from now is the amount of media/options that was being put out. There was only so much stuff to watch on TV and so most of it was a shared experience with the rest of the nation. Everybody knew who ALF was! \n\nCompare that to now.. There's just so much out there, you can't keep up. So many different TV networks, channels, shows, artists, music/albums, etc..", "You didn't, though. A remake of an 80s movie is not a \"new\" thing identifiable with the 2020s. \n\nThere are some original movies being made today, sure. But OPs comment was tongue-in-cheek, because the trilogy/sequel/cinematic universe boom that took off in the late 90s and 2000s significantly reduced the number of original films that get blockbuster-level distribution. The likelihood of anything getting a reboot from this era is pretty low, as it's already a reboot or sequel of a franchise itself, or else not popular enough to deserve that kind of attention 20 years from now.", "Gosh…elements I miss from this kind of content: no auto-tune, less body modifications, real movie sets, choreography, and acting that required the whole body and not just face-acting.", "i don't consider them better times at all. Some good stuff came out of the 80s but I hated living through it, and it was a fucking awful time for a lot of people.", "List of movies in order of appearance please.", "Sign me up. Meow😉", "I wouldn't necessarily say better times. The vast majority of Redditors were young children or adolescents then, so we remember the good stuff (80's pop culture) and ignore the bad stuff (cold war at it's lowest point since the Cuban Missile Crisis, economic issues, etc.).\n\nThat being said, there was something indeed magical about being a kid from like 1980 to 1994 before the Internet ruined everything.", "Dude, just stop. Dune (1984) is a famously shitty movie.", ">then the 90s happened.\n\n?\n\nThe 90's are arguably the peak of the world, and it's been downhill since September 2001...", "Shared culture and shared experiences", ">It was a lot of brown too.\n\nSo much fucking gray and muted colors. The 80's and early 90's was when new age aesthetic was at its peak, so we got a lot of god awful crystal/acrylic sculpture crap too.", "No Star Trek, any of the movies from the '80s (4) or TNG.", "I think a lot of the nostalgia people say they feel isn't necessarily for living in the 80s, but being a kid in the 90s and watching these movies, and having childhood/teenage crushes on all the good looking dancing people.\n\nAnd behind the nostalgia (especially from people not actually old enough to remember the 80s) is a lot of subconscious \"wow, the girls at my high school weren't that pretty\". I'm sure there were plenty of ugly people with no style who stood around awkwardly at school dances back then too.", "I wasn't even alive then, shit I'm not even american but there's definitely something non-fungible about that era.", "Disagree. I was born 1972 and the 80’s were magical. There was a sense of belonging and shared culture, where every new pop culture event felt like Christmas. \n\nIt was absolutely incredible that a new movie, like Back to the Future, would come out and you listened to The Power of Love in every radio station and everyone was trying to learn skateboarding, and people were wearing the brown jacket that you could take the sleeves off, and everyone, and I mean everyone (even the teachers at school) were talking about the possibilities of time travel. \n\nAnd like that every single cultural phenomenon like Thriller, Star Wars, Indiana Jones. People nowadays cannot fathom the fact that there were so very few TV channels an radio stations (and no internet) that everyone had to see and hear the same media. That created a whole atmosphere that has no counterpart in today’s society. \n\nThe only thing that comes close is Halloween and Christmas. But even those don’t capture the feeling because they are the same every year. These were massive, omnipresent cultural events were everyone participated, but they were fresh and new every time. \n\nIt was better than you could imagine.", "‘74 kid here. Holy shit that was my childhood.", "Yes. but now there is so much more stuff in the background that is pulling people away from the mainstream. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, just that it's a lot easier to not be into the Marvel movies when there's so much other stuff to watch.", "Seeing Micheal j fox stuff from then always brings me back", "Am I the only one going to say that people need to take off their rose tinted glasses for a second? The 80s were not perfect. A lot of you saying it was great, were kids at the time not dealing with the adult issues at hand. You can blame a lot of the social issues we deal with today from this era when deregulation began. \n\nI'm not saying the 80s were bad, but I'm saying people need remind themselves that our memories are not infallible.", "First song on Mtv.", "I had the exact same thought, specifically when ALF showed up! We should make out!", "And those that are still with us: Bill Cosby, O.J. Simpson, Mel Gibson", "First Thought: \nI feel super heterosexual after watching this, thanks OP…. Sorry just a cuntroversial comment\n\nParting Thought: \nthe 90’s laughed at the 80’s, the noughties laughed at the 90’s… after that the laughing died and this latest batch or remakes and homage to the 80’s & 90’s is the result of people who lived in those times wanting it back for themselves and to spread a bit of feel good positivity into the current dark and miserable world we inhabit. Personally I’m all for it!", "> So many different TV networks, channels, shows, artists, music/albums\n\nand the boundless expanse of the internet", "It's kinda hard to tell people not to feel nostalgic about the time they grew up because that's what they are being nostalgic about.\n\nThey were kids and teens. They weren't aware of the issues. That's part of the charm, or benefit, of being a child or teen. \n\nPeople are nostalgic about a time where to them Alf was real, things were cool, and they think the girl they liked might like them back.\n\n>A lot of you saying it was great, were kids at the time not dealing with the adult issues at hand.\n\nClearly.\n\n>but I'm saying people need remind themselves that our memories are not infallible.\n\nAnd people let to let others enjoy things. Not every conversation has to have deep thought and links and action-provoking agendas.\n\nAlf was cool even if he ate cats.\n\nIt's exhausting to have someone come in every single time someone else is having fun to remind them not to because shit sucked then, sucks now, and will continue sucking for the forseeable future and we are awful for taking this time to just have fun.", "That show is 16 years old. It's closer in time to the year 1990 than today.", "I recognize almost all of this, but who's the woman at [1:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0eflYLkI4A&t=72s)?", "I'm not sure, the scene doesn't look familiar.", "Still treating the space herpes", "Still miss Friday nights in the 80's. Pizza Parlor and drop quarters in the Mrs. Pacman game till your pie was ready. Then off to the movie theater to see some of the greatest kids movies ever made in that decade. Back to The Future, Indiana Jones, and Ghost Busters. Then you're exhausted when you get home at 10:00 and fall asleep until the next morning which got kicked off with Cartoons and us going to the local diner then department store shopping. I have been trying to recreate an 80's weekend for years now and I still can't get everything in order.", "I'm a big fan of Special K", "Before school shootings, before Fox News, before social media, and before the American dream turned into a dystopian nightmare. I miss the 80's.", "I recognize just about every clip in here since I was born in '73, but Jason and Freddy would like a word with the creators. They were mega stars in the 80's.", "Drive-ins are on the comeback, I'd start there on a Friday night.", "I could say the same about how exhausting it is for people constantly look back into the past and keep telling themselves how much better it was in the past than it is in the present. \n\nSpoilers. The present doesn't actually suck.\n\nThere is nothing wrong with having fun with nostalgia. Its when you let it control how you live out your future. This is the underlining problem with nostalgia. It makes people look backwards and not embrace change. Change always happens and when you are completely stuck in the past, you can hinder progress.\n\nBy all means, have fun in your memories, just come back to reality so we can keep working on making the world a better place.", "This is the best video. Ever. Hands down. Well done. 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍", "I didn't make it, I just shared.", "I was a big NBA fan back then and clearly remember TNT being the hottest thing in America when the Lakers vs Celtics or etc were scheduled on a Tuesday evening. As you said, much more of a nationally “shared experience”. The younger generation has idea how little TV content there was compared to today. I also remember waiting intently all week long for a 30 min recap of the past week’s Tour De France results. \n\nIt’s strange because I certainly prefer as much live content as possible, but paradoxically speaking I can safely say that I don’t anticipate events as much these days as a result of live sports overload.", "No, I wasn't born yet old man.", "Get off my lawn.", "I bet in ten years someone could make a compilation like this but instead of it being a complication of music videos, tv and movie clips, it would also include memes and viral videos.\n\n“Leave Britney Alone”, Chocolate Rain, The End of Ze Earth”, “Shoes”, etc. were all mid 2000’s era gold and EVERYONE watched those.", "This is my new favorite video. Amazing work!!!", "LA riots were in '92.", "I was born in '76, and I was starting HS by '90. Yes, I grew up in it, and yes I loved it.", "Midnight August first, 1981. I was in front of our 19\" TV watching, we had a family get together for it.\n\nHere's the first [five minutes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jcdwiV6dXw)\n\nEdit: Don't worry about the gold, I have a monthly subscription.", "what's wrong with Mel Gibson again? He made some damn good movies.", "Hell yeah. I was born in '86 and got maybe 60-70% of the references. Certainly all the cartoon ones.", "Makes me cry every time I watch it. (EST 1968)", "My bad.", "Alas, I only shared it.", "While I was alive for about 45% of the 80s, I have very few first hand recollections apart from few things in late '89.", "I was born in 79, and the 90s version of this hit a lot harder.", "Well, I was a little kid so life was viewed through happy go-lucky lenses.", "Janet Jones from 'Police Academy 5: Assignment: Miami Beach'", "Well there you go.", ">It wasn't a better period, only the good stuff is memorable.\n\nGraduated High School in '85, can confirm.", "Not one shot of Government cheese…", "Hey thanks for the hug.\n\nUnfortunately, it didn't really go great.\nI spent most of my late teens and 20's terrified of my sexuality.\n\nIt wasn't until the late 90s/2000 when Will and Grace came out.\nI saw that and thought to myself, oh people don't think being gay is a disgusting horrific thing.\n\nAnd a friend finally got me to admit I was gay.\n\nBut that was in my late 20s/30 and the damage was already done.\n\nI had turned to hard drugs and alcohol by then.\n\n\nAnyhow good news is I don't use hard drugs anymore but have always drank booze, so my liver is shot. \n\nNever did find anyone though.", "He's an anti-semitic fuck face.", "Yep, late '90s were my clubbin' days, and I hung with all the LGBTs even thought I'm hetero af. Shit man, I would suck trans girls tits on the dance floor. That was the best club ever... it's an upscale restaurant now, but I still know where all the debauchery happened.", "Nice, thanks! It's been a long time since the PA movies, but I saw the first four probably a hundred times each.", "Just be happy you'll live longer than we will.", "I really like 80s nostalgia, because I grew up in the 80s and was lucky enough to have a good childhood - that video makes me feel alive and excited and I remember all the good things from back then.\n\nWe have a different awareness of and priorities for problems today, also much better access to information (and sadly misinformation too). I want to help make the world feel like that video up there feels to me for everyone, we're a long ways off, sadly.\n\nI think (or hope) that not many who share that nostalgia would blindly support the policies and social norms of the 80s.", "My cold soul is for sure just a little warmer after watching this. Damn. I miss that decade of innocence and fluoro.", "Amazing!", "9/11 really did signal the end of the carefree, silly era of the 1990s.", "Yes! there was a definite shift in vibes in the late 90s.\n\nIt was way more ok to be gay.\n\nAlso, the Xtacy helped the vibe a lot.\n\nLike it was ok to be gay and straights were cool with going to gay bars.\n\nX helped I think with the empathy.", "I never took X, but I did a shitload of acid, that's for sure.", "Oh man acid was ok, but X was the shit.\n\nI was in Orlando at the time.\n\nBeing in the club at 1 am when the beat drops and everyone goes wild, it was fun times for sure.", "> Janet Jones from 'Police Academy 5: Assignment: Miami Beach'\n\nlol, oddly obscure selection for an 80's mashup, I don't think most people made it past 2 or 3. But hey, hot babe in swimsuit I guess.\n\nAnyway, thanks for the info. :)", "It was one well-constructed dream.\n\nCaveat: Where’s the Star Trek TNG?", "Yes, there is a lack of Trek in this video, also Horror.", "Yes, there is a lack of Trek in this video, also Horror.", "I remember Money for Nothing being heavy in the rotation in those early MTV days", "Oh yea, Mtv loved Knophler and the Straits.", "Oops. You forgot the fall of the Berlin Wall.", "No, Good Times was in the 70s.", "The internet changed humanity forever. Everyone had their own little river before, now it’s a daunting ocean.", "So many dead people :/", "I was born in 84 too, I didn't even HAVE a great family life but I still think things were more digestible then. There's just too fucking much going on now and no commonality between people.", "I think things were simpler before we were so connected as we are nowadays. Even a great deal of the 90s were like this where we weren't connected with the internet or a phone in our pockets.", "I have to see this movie" ]	180	videos	Hey, remember the '80s?
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rl63z7/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rl63z7/deleted_by_user/	[ "Ok ok.. but can you answer this? Why did I watch this video? 🤔", "hahahaha, poor randy didn’t ask to be born this way ;-;", "Gps might someday affect you or your loved ones and now you know. Knowledge is power!", "I have no idea why I watched it either. It just suggested to my on youtube. I don't even follow action figures or transformers. The end of randy still got a lul out of me though.", "[Dude in the video be like Peter](https://youtu.be/b71yUmWMQto)", "Clearly, No mere child could crush Randy with such ease.", "For some reason 0 views garbage is going straight to the best front page.", "RIP Randy", "This video again?" ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3FefVVQXFk	/r/videos/comments/rl672w/beavis_and_butthead_do_christmas/	[ "Got this VHS as a kid for Christmas one year. Was always a tradition to watch it on Christmas.", "My god. What a trip.\n\nI remember going into blockbuster trying to rent these movies , and it has a big \"18+\" sticker on the front. Now anybody can just watch it on youtube. So weird.", "The other 2 part Christmas special where the spoof It's a Wonderful Life, and Ebenezer Scrooge is my favorite episode of all time. \n\n\"You see, Butt-Head? It really is a wonderful life without you.\"\n\nI was hoping this was that episode." ]	3	videos	Beavis and Butt-Head - Do Christmas
https://youtu.be/y_S3fX4F9nU	/r/videos/comments/rl74rn/ascension_through_the_order_the_hope_of_hiram_p3/	[ "So damn weird", "I love it", "I went to the exhibit when I was in high school. It just gets stranger and stranger. At the top was a bunch of white pigeons in a cage and pigeon shit all over the ground.", "!!! I bet it was an experience haha\n\nI miraculously ended up running into someone that has all 5 dvds! I'm hoping he comes through with hooking me up, but I'm sure going to the live exhibit was a whole new level!" ]	4	videos	Ascension through the order, the Hope of Hiram p3 - Cremaster 3 (2002)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZVGgGcSows	/r/videos/comments/rl78ef/bill_murray_talks_about_road_house_with_anthony/	[ "\" ... and then hang up.\"\n\nTiming is everything!", "That's a glorious clip. Good grief his timing is impeccable.", "Which episode is this from?", "S6 :E8 Charleston, South Carolina (and that's chef Sean Brock dining with them.)", "Thanks! Thought I had seen all episodes but must have missed this one.", "seems to be true, according to imdb\n\n> According to Kelly Lynch, whenever Bill Murray sees her sex scene with Patrick Swayze on television, he calls her husband, Mitch Glazer, to tease him about it.", "My brother named his dog Roadhouse because he loves this movie so much. it's a special kind of movie", "Wow, that's cruel. What if the dog hates that movie?", "Bill Murray tells that story every chance he gets." ]	9	videos	Bill Murray talks about Road House with Anthony Bourdain
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rl7wg7/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rl7wg7/deleted_by_user/	[ "A very interesting and sobering video, but seriously fuck that utterly disrespectful action-movie music.", "Wreeehhh, dun, dun, dun, waaahhhh dun, dun, dun....\n\nSeriously, that music?", "Well 862/1150 means only 0.7495 people died and that’s only like 3/4ths of a person.", "[Better?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTZ-R4QM1E)", "Yep, over the top and distracting.", "That music is just offensive", "Fuck this music. Cool video though.", "Better sound but that flickering video is nauseating.", "Just as bad as the [original music ](https://youtu.be/YdrISbwy_zI)" ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/rpaonSDPw7Y	/r/videos/comments/rl8i6r/miss_ya_doom/	[ "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzBjBHfDIs\n\nMerry X-Mas", "All caps when ya spell the name", "I was just sayin the lyric, you did good friend", "ALL CAPS! Here's a dope collab I was actually listening to earlier [Sadevillain](https://youtu.be/RZSY9lO0S-I)", "Been a whole year since you passed but we won't forget the amazing tracks you've given.", "I first heard of DOOM when watching Amoebas whats in my bag with Unknown Mortal Orchestra. They talked about listening to Rap Snitch knishes on repeat and I just fell in love with that whole album. What hit me is how unpolished and raw his music feels. It feels real, unlike so much referred to as rap these days.", "There is a part 2 as well, though 1 is better.", "No artists death hit me harder than DOOM's, I still remember seeing the ig post about it and thinking what the fuck does this mean what I think it means? \"Living off borrowed time\" hits harder now, I played Madvillainy on repeat after that, DOOM, Madvillain, and King Geedorah were all in my top 5 artists on spotify wrapped, man I miss this dude.", "Still no word on how he died?", "I only started listening to his music after he died and now he is the nr 1 artist on my spotify rewind", "Who’s playing that accordion? Looks like that dude Daedalus.", "RIP to one of the GOATs", "gotta be among the best rap albums ever", "I kinda low-key dig how the streaming services make you have to know all the alter egos to get all the library. Don't forget Viktor Vaughn.", "DOOM ETERNAL", "Discoverd him a few years ago , a true bless and masterful inspiration for my own songwriting\n\nRest in power doom", "This mix is a marvel, made me discover Sade too. Angelical voice.", "Awesome, will look her up, thanks.", "And Viktor Chaos, he got me into these digital stock thingies and boy does he say I can make a ton of money!", "I started listening to DOOM pre-COVID, got really heavily into him as the pandemic set in, then told myself my first post-pandemic show would be him.\n\nRIP. Was my #1 on Spotify wrapped this year\n\nAnd that's that.", "DOOM RIP", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyJD7gMJBiI \nAesop Rock + MF DOOM + Atmosphere \nIt's one of the last that he did.", "At least he got to make a bunch of music before he died. We only got one album out of SOPHIE", "The best rapper that has walked, and will ever walk, this earth.", "Damn, has it been a year already? DOOM has been on repeat listen for much through this new normal. RIP man", "For me it was DOOM and Mac that stuck with me.", "What an amazing find!!!", "Just aesop and DOOM is lyrical word wizardry hut throw atmosphere into that mix. Now we're cooking with fire.", "Amen!", "I was at a New Years party I really didn't want to be at when I learned of his death. The people attending this party had no idea who DOOM was. I went into the washroom by myself and just listened to a few jams and cried like a baby.", "MOS DEF - a fan of DOOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBIvIDnnv8", "His body stopped working", "The greatest to ever do it. Here's [one of my favorite ever mashups of his stuff.](https://tanda.bandcamp.com/track/rae-sparkle)", "He’s back where his brother (and son) went and that makes me a little less sad when I think about it.", "That's how they getcha", "Did you also see asop and homeboy sandman's collab about DOOM? It has some lines that make me get a little misty in the eyes. \n\n\n\n[ASK ANYONE](https://youtu.be/x3WRs-86u8g)", "You can't imagine my outrage that this had nothing to do with DOOM.", "[Here ya go. ](https://youtu.be/bVVwEbeHTaM)", "That's a fan mash-up project, not an actual collab :)", "Guru was the first artist death that hit me, then DOOM was the worst.", "god SOPHIE and MF DOOM were the only celebrities that hit me hard when they died. both of them were insane talents that revolutionized their genres. also outside of their public personas they were really good people. i feel like pcmusic/hyper pop and MF DOOM’s style both kinda died with them, they are impossible to imitate", "I've listened to him for years, but his instrumental Special Herbs volumes are my favorite and most played. Four hours of great music, I've listened to the instrumentals so much that hearing them with vocals over them sound strange.", "I still hold out hope that he faked his own death and lives in a mansion in Cuba with all the money he made, in true mad villainy style. He sometimes faked shows with body doubles why not his own death?", "It is. They sampled one of his songs and got the accordion sounding better", "There's a great podcast series hosted by MC Serch about the life of DOOM. It's really good. Did I Ever Tell You the One About..MF DOOM: https://chtbl.com/track/43774/traffic.megaphone.fm/SONY2910755729.mp3?updated=1639406547", "OK, I've been getting more and more into Doom, but one thing is killing me.\n\nDid he do a song that sounded similar to his work on November Has Come? I know he's featured on that song, but some dude at a record store played a song of his that sounded so similar to that flow in November Has Come and it's killing me because I can't find that song.", "Maybe [this](https://youtu.be/NcHrGCcXU74)?", "This isn't it I don't believe, but thanks, this track is great!" ]	48	videos	Miss ya DOOM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9ucgzzvf8&start=444	/r/videos/comments/rl8kwe/possibly_the_best_off_the_dome_freestyle_set_in/	[ "Love his subtle facial expressions, like he's listening to himself and reacting like he isn't the one rapping, lol. RIP", "The freestyle is not good just because he is dead.", "Still one of my favourites is lil dicky: \n\nhttps://youtu.be/1RZkIPlUosE", "Actually, no. You gotta be kidding. This is average, and that’s being generous" ]	4	videos	Possibly the best off the dome freestyle set in existence. (especially the last 4 [7:25])
https://youtu.be/P145PiDhzmA	/r/videos/comments/rl8v2b/gardening_hacks/	[ "The mango on the thumbnail looks familiar...", "EpicGardening did a breakdown of these, most are essentially useless or serve no real purpose, others are outright faked. Blossom and 5 minute crafts are two channels you should never trust at all.", "It looks like a woman's spread open pussy lol." ]	3	videos	Gardening hacks
https://youtu.be/JtqrLocv2BU	/r/videos/comments/rl9xpp/goku_sees_kamehameha_wave_for_first_time/	[ "Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z.", "The God father of the anime DB", "Only a few moments later Goku casts his own kamehameha wave for the first time and blows up Bulma's car.", "Oh how far we've come", "Something Roshi apparently forgets when fighting Goku at the world martial arts tournament. He insists Goku can't use the technique and they end up blasting each other.\n\nAlthough maybe he just meant Goku couldn't use it properly. His first attempt was pretty weak.", "Probably my favourite kqmehameha wave.\nSwolshi is a unit.", "Probably my favourite kamehameha wave.\nSwolshi is a unit.", "Next time… on Dragon Ball Z…", "Goku vs Jackie Chun is the epitome of what was great about early DragonBall battles. It wasn't only about power levels and outlasting your opponent. The fights were more about using fun new \"techniques\" and blindsiding your opponent. There was very little actual fighting happening in that battle and I loved every moment of it.", "This scene is now 35 years old.", "Who doesn’t love earl dragon ball? Such a great moment.", "I've been off my meds for a few days now, because of a goof.\n\nWatched goku go super saiyan against frieza, the emotion and nostalgia made me start crying hysterically.", "Fuck.", "Is there an explanation for Bulma literally wearing a Playboy Bunny outfit?", "Yes. \n\nFanservice. \n\nIm sure there's an in-show justification too bit I forgot what it was.", "Every boy tried a kamehameha", "... three mintues of recap, eighteen minutes of screaming, and two mintues of \"next time, on Dragon Ball Z!\"", "Yep, Oolong gets told to wash Bulma's clothes before she goes to sleep, but overnight Yamcha 'attacks' so he doesn't have time. In the morning Bulma gets mad and yells at him and says that she has nothing else to wear, then Oolong says, that he does have one outfit... and that is the outfit.\n\nEdit: Season 1 Episode 6.", "then goku proceeds to copy and blows up the car with the mini kamehameha", "\\>:)", "Sideways", "There’s nothing wrong with that. Sometimes things like that still make me cry. DBZ is full of righteous tear-jerking moments that are just so awesome you can’t help but be overwhelmed with emotion. So many great themes… perseverance in the face of insurmountable adversity, tapping into the latent potential within you and ascending to new heights of personal strength, and being there for your friends and family when the going gets tough. It’s a great show. I’m glad I grew up watching it.", "Is this the end of this comment thread? Will anyone be able to make an additional statement that will keep this post and the earth intact? Find out next time on Dragon ball Z!!!!", "Clicked heard English dub and clicked back.", "Previously! On Dragon. Ball. Zeeeeeeeee…", "I just couldn't get into all the fighting, more into the adventure side of Dragon Ball which we get to see in the original.", "It's so halfassed, shitty, and creepy, it's paradoxically funny again.", "I don’t know why…I have no problem with most dubs. I was never an anime purist by any means. I don’t watch a lot of anime. I thoroughly enjoyed the Naruto and FMA dubs. Yet, I never liked Funimation’s dub. With the exception of a few voices, it all sounded really cringe to me.", "The dubs especially for Dragonball have been heavily Censored. When I first watched it a friend pointed it out to me and said watch the first episode in English Dub then watch it in Japanese with proper translation. It's like night and day in comparison. Never watched anything again with English Dub. Now I don't need the Subs at all.", "Jesus, do you mind using a spoilers tag??? you just spoiled the entire story for 99 percent of dbz", "I think Kai corrected a lot of the problems with the dubs, such as making the dialogue more in line with the original Japanese script, not putting nonsense filler lines in scenes where there is no talking in the Japanese version, and replacing some voice actors with better ones (Gohan and Freeza had significant improvements). I never did get around to watching much of Kai though. \n\nBut that was also a major complaint I had with the Funi dub: they did not understand the concept of “less is more.” The filler lines (like Freeza telling Goku his shoes were untied) and even the Falconer music score were relentless.", "And then creepy all over again because Bulma is like 16 at the time.", "Dragon Ball Kai makes this significantly less obnoxious, but Dragon Ball is still better than DBZ imo.", "Never watched that far with English dub. In the English (American) version does Goku slap Bulma right on the Vagina take here panties off and then yell out \"Someone has stolen your penis\" ? Later on Master Roshi convinces her to let him see her Panties but she doesn't realise she isn't wearing any because Goku had ripped them off ?", "Dragon ball and DBZ dubs are a billion times better than the Japanese ones. The censoring sucks yeah, but the voice acting and sound is so much better.", "But nowhere to watch Dragon Ball with English dub.", "No where near as good. Bland and boring voice acting. I will stick to the original content thanks. Might even watch me some One Piece on Sunday morning.", "Goku sounds like a dying duck. Ahh One Piece. I've rewatched that so many times until Usopp appears and then I gotta stop.", "GwraaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! \n# \nCRRRAAAAAAA!!\n# \n##He's powering up!\n\n###KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!\n\n...\n\nNext time, on Dragon Ball Z!", "Dude,he roofied (sleeping powder) Goku and Bulma with the intention of feeling her up while she's asleep.\n\nat 8:45\n\nhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7w6vg8\n\nBonus: at 04:56 they show her ass", "Sure has aged since the 80s hasn't it? Totally unwatchable!", "Can't handle the original content. Oh well your loss.", "Lol, you sound like someone who refuses to watch a dub just because it's not the Japanese original. There are plenty of good/better dubs out there.", "I don't watch dubs because I don't have to. The content is way better in its original language. I watch One-piece with my Son on Sunday mornings broadcast by Fuji Television.", "That link sucks. Gave up trying to watch after the 6th prevideo ad started playing.", "That’s not a real Kamehameha. It didn’t take him 4 episodes to do.", "Lest we forget the child Chi Chi in her bikini armor outfit just beside bulma there", "with", "That happens in most good battle series. Once the power levels get too high, it stops being about wits and skill and becomes about power. Which is so boring.", "Huh, if I was gonna draw a sultry cartoon ass that's not the direction I would have gone.", "For me, it's kinda the opposite. I like the fighting more in Dragon Ball compared to Z. Animations aside, in Dragon Ball it felt much more like martial art fantasy because the power levels were flattened and competitors all had unique, cool signature skills that could mess up the main cast. Like the Indian dude who did the flying attack, Yamcha's wolf claw, all of Piccolo. \n\nDBZ and later episodes kinda had this. Notably Krillians disk scaring Vegeta, and it was so cool to see Gohan trained by Goku's old nemesis and using his attacks instead. If only he grew up to combine Special Beam Cannon and Kamehameha. \n\nBut outside of Spirit Bomb, they all become energy attacks that end up failing on the villain.", "The best Jojo fights are when asspulls are countered by even more complicated, larger asspulls.", "a", "[Said Kamehameha](https://64.media.tumblr.com/6f1e24fdf8ea3741f8e91f3e947e2812/e018bdf87aaaeec6-a3/s540x810/15a0a4a66befe564601719f0fd0393baee37de75.gifv)", "Dragon Ball.", "And tried to fly like Gohan said we could 😭", "Japanese Goku is just godawful, there's no getting around that fact.", "Now I have to watch the yuyu dark tournament again.", "Bro they had fools beating the shit out of people with yo yos and fishing poles... 10/10 creativity...", "In Z it was all about power, but I feel in super they brought a little bit of both db and dbz fights back, Hit in particular with his time skip is very similar to when they learned a new move in old school db.", "Here's the [link to that scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKqKPh8rMsI)", "Imagine not using an adblocker", "Cha-la! \\clap\\ Head cha-la!\n\n&#x200B;\n\n(wrong series, I know, but it's stuck in my head now)", "While", "Thanks for subsidizing my internet.", "You mean a spirit bomb?", "There's a martial arts manga called Kenji from the 80s that I go back to once every couple of years to read in it's entirety. It's still a bit fantastical but much more grounded in the practice, culture and ideas behind the techniques. Definitely worth a read if you want something shounen but a bit more true to the history of martial arts.\n\nHajime no Ippo is about boxing and it's still ongiong with 1000+ chapters and it is one of the best looks at the boxing life in manga form. They've done a couple of animes for some of the arcs. Quite good!", "Shenron", "Revives", "How many Dragonball Z fans does it take to change a light bulb?\n\nOnly one. But it takes four episodes.", "Watched Hajime no ippo, it is indeed great!", "I miss buff Roshi", "Ah yes back when Dragon ball actually had some interesting plots and characters.", "Yes! Yu Yu Hakusho has the best power leveling in any fighting anime and the Dark Tournament is the best fighting saga.", "ur mom", "Watchanimeonline has pretty much all of them. Some of the urls are messed up though so if you get to one that doesn’t work just add ```-2``` to the end of it.", "for", "Now those were childhood memories", "the", "Can’t believe I just watched 4 30 second ads to see a cartoon ass", "This whole thread is why cancel culture as a trend is bad.\n\nWe'd have NOTHING if we just canceled every thing or one that stepped out of the line we continually keep moving.", "Such a great scene for Dragonball. Manages to encapsulate a lot of plot in one scene.", "Oh god the weebs are breeding", "In", "80s anime. You can literally see goku's penis in one episode. And you better stay away from Ranma 1/2", "what a garbage title", "Girlfriend's", "Mini-van", "16 is the age of consent in Japan. Found that one out recently.", "Goodbye", "You no like?", "Jojo regularly resets power-levelsnin each part. So it is easy to avoid the power creep.", "I thought Roshi demonstrated the Kamahamaha Wave much earlier in the anime. On a beach where Roshi traded a dragon ball to Bulma for showing off her belly button. \n\nHas it's just been to long since I've watched this?", "Yes", "Literally Master Roshi doing the Kamehameha, while Goku didn't do anything \n\nIt would be like a video where Goku Goes Super Saiyan and the title was \"Frieza sees Super Saiyan for first time\"", "Krillin", "This is why Joseph is the best Jo Jo", "one piece episodes are 15 minutes counting from when the actual episode title appears. Lots of people watch the openings every episode though. I've always skipped them.", "Cruel", "With a Kame, and a Hame, and a Bring It Home To Mommy!", "Never watched Dragon Ball who dis?", "I mean, 16 is the age of consent in a lot of places in the world, dunno what that has to do with anything.", "First SAS I got", "It’s kinda changed but I swear there was a solid amount of time where skipping to 5 mins would more or less sit you perfectly at the start of the episode lol", "I remember waking up early one Saturday like 6am when I was like 7 yrs old and saw DragonBall for the 1st time and fell in love with the series. From then on, I would wake up every sat at 6 am and watch it. No alarm or anything. Just my childhood excitement for such an amazing show. Then they started showing dbz and my love grew. Sadly, I think it was around the frieza saga that the channel where i was watching the show stopped showing it cuz toonami bought the rights and i didn't have cable at the time. \n\n Anyway, I also remember my local comic book store started selling db comics and my dad would buy me one every once in awhile. It wasn't till I got home and started reading it did I realize they didn't censor anything lol. My dad laughed when he saw little goku penis. Also saw naked Bulma 🤭", "You don't know what age of consent laws have to do with the sexualization of characters at or around that age?\n\nDo you know what bread has to do with sandwiches?", "Yeah in his pants", "Funimation.", "Is Earl DragonBall the guy who made the dragon balls?", "World", "Nobody cares.", "And gave our energy for the Genkidama", "That was the scene where goku received the flying nimbus as a reward for saving turtle. I don't recall any Kamehameha wave though.", "An anime about aliens with powers and martial arts training and every episode is connected. Dragon ball z is when they are adults and the fights take a whole season to finish.\n\nJust an example of what goes down https://youtu.be/2vdrCwDChwI", "You don't get how Goku, who's known for using the Kamehameha as his signature technique, seeing the move for the first time is significant?\n\nI mean go off if you want, but you're clearly in the minority lmao", "DB is so fun. Highly recommend the manga. It's a perfect comedy adventure story", "I still fucking do this in twitch chat. If a streamer is about to go through some shit, you best be sure I'll be typing ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ HAFU TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ", "I guess I just need to rewatch. Wish someone would drop the DUB.", "Normal ones didn't", "That's a common misconception actually.\n\nEarl Dragonball is just Shenron's dad.", "Funimation has the whole series uncut in english. You have to sub to them of course... but what else is new.", "Looks, like you're cancelled bub.", "If only they didn't send that mafioso bunny rabbit to the moon I'm pretty sure his special power of turning anything he looks at into a carrot would've defeated cell and majin buu.", "That would be the Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball and the Ocean dub of DBZ. There’s a recut of the Ocean dub of DBZ available on the internet archive, since the Pioneer DVD’s are pretty awful if you wanna watch it. If you want the Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball look up the SoM release.", "It also knew when to stop. Right about the time power levels were leaking into every Shounen.", "I wish they would've fully fleshed out the Demon World tournament, but otherwise yes it had a perfect wrap.", "It looks old.", "And that's problematic only in america.", "I personally loved that the world didn't revolve around Yuske so when he left that was it we don't see much more. Left a lot of mystery and I don't think the explanations would have improved things.", "In many European countries the age of consent is around 16, doesn't mean that there is wild sexualization of 16 year Olds going on because of it.", "DBZ abridged > literally anything else", "That comma should have been canceled", "I also heard but have not confirmed that any person that is in combat in a Japanese game or media is AT LEAST 16. So if that Waifu character looks young she probably is", "spontaneously combusts", "I've rewatch Dragonball and Dragonball z many times. Nothing tops One pieces progression of nothing new. At first it's great. Then later seasons become recaps and flashbacks galore. You might get 10 minutes of new shit.", "Thats what finally sold me on One Piece. Someone pitched it to me as Dragonball but with pirates and occasionally very deep emotional scenes, but the emotional always feel earned. \n\nI’m now on episode 450 and loving it.", "My son is Japanese. Got a problem with that ?", "Not awful at all. You are the reason that stupid Live action film was made.", "Weak, yall watch dubs🤢🤢🤢🤢", "I'm watching the original version on hulu. Its much different I see why people hate the American dubs. The original version a bit perverted though but in a funny way I guess. Almost every episode is about women's panties and adults perving over minors in the original.", "So? Thats a thing they do in old anime", ">How many Dragonball Z fans does it take to change a light bulb?\n\nFind out next time, on Dragonball Z", "Oh you’re about to get to the best part I hope you’re ready", "Lol wow. I can't believe I used to watch this crap when I was a kid.", "Dragon Ball is superior to Dragon Ball Super. The art, the animation, the story, the fight choreography. My god, the fight choreography 😨 Minus the movies and the fight with Jiren, DBS is a travesty.", "And a legend was born.", "No", "No one does. You're just a punk.", "16 is the age of consent in the UK too. Doesn’t mean a sixteen year old cartoon character dressed in a playboy bunny outfit isn’t creepy as fuck.", "The smart thing about Jojo is that he changed the entire formula after the first 2 seasons. I think his editor told him that hamon was at it's limit in what he could do with it without it turning into a clone of every other fighting manga. Coming up with stands was genius since it turned into who is the strongest possible being into who can use their stands abilities the best. Which leads to an infinite amount of ideas for fighting beyond just powering up and punching.", "Wait you mean to tell me they could build the energy do this move within a single episode?", "The first time I ever saw DBZ was in Japanese on our local public access channel. It was where Vegita was in the giant monkey form, holding Goku, screaming exposition for the entire episode (I don’t sepal Japanese, btw). Then Yajirobe jumps out and cuts off his tail so he shrinks back down. I was so confused and avoided the show for years.", "Omg feels from lunchtime", "Is finding a 16 year old sexy creepy?", "I bought the DVD box set, and it's totally worth it. Just a wonderful show, and its so easy to get hooked.", "Muten Rōshi saw a whole lot more than just her belly button in that episode, fyi.", "Yes. I got the joke.", "I think the plot and characters in Z was a lil stronger.", "Sorry bud. Hopefully you get back on track soon!", "Thats the censored version. Japan didn't have the window glare.", "After Dragonball, Toriyama turned into a lazy hack.", "\"Wits and skills\" aka inventing random joke techniques and then never mentioning it again. Yeah no thanks.", "Going all the way back to Tomorrow's Joe.", "God if only I could find somewhere to download all of those episodes.", "SAS?", "Remember the one where the Orangutan was the stand user and the entire boat was his stand? I forgot all about that and randomly thought of it one morning… Stardust Crusaders is fucking top notch.", "\"Move well! Learn well! Play well, eat well, and rest well! The Kame Style is with you!\"", "I personally hated that last ark. Felt very forced.", "Not anymore. Not it's bad everywhere and bulma is sexist", "Lol not sure why that’s there but let’s pretend like it’s supposed to be.", "I use this site. (make sure ad blocker). https://watch.dragonball360.com/watch-dragon-ball-episodes-english-dubbed/", "Pretty sure it's on Funimation's streaming service\n\nedit: https://www.funimation.com/shows/dragon-ball/?qid=", "They have it subbed. My son is still working on his reading so I can't watch it with him just yet.", "I just loaded up an episode-- I can choose between Japanese and English audio-- though maybe that's regional?", "Maybe, I checked a month ago. Us based subbed only. I'll check again.", "Oh shit it's up. Just made my son sit down.", "And the rest was history", "It makes me so happy that we were all in that together.", "Poor little kids need dub to watch an anime.", "r/SuperActionStatue they make the very detailed moveable fist of the north star and JJBA action figures", "Pfffft no way", "Ah yes, I created that abomination myself, fuck off dude. You sub purists are insufferable.", "I don't use subs. Silly boy needs it dubbed because he only speaks one language.", "Yeah, you're a fucking moron dude, this is why no one likes you.", "DILLIGAF.", "Oh sick! Those do look pretty high end", "More like his editors kept meddling. Just look at how much they interfered with the android/cell arc for example.", "Those arcs weren't meant to exist. DBZ was supposed to end with Frieza.\n\nAnd don't give Toriyama too much credit. He forgot his own characters exist. He's the Japanese George Lucas.", "Yeah, I only buy them when they are on sale or used. Some people play several hundred for the limited edition one that aren't being made anymore. Jolyne was $200 until they started making more this year. Got the pre-order in Aug and and get released this month. I'll probably get it in the mail in 2 months due to shipping.", "Stepbrother" ]	195	videos	Goku sees Kamehameha Wave for first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8JOOinDiIk	/r/videos/comments/rla81c/leaving_your_friends_apartment_302/	[ "I don’t relate to this at all. Except maybe to a few times where they had motion sensors and I was trying to leave in the middle of the night", "Hate it when this happens", "This is hilarious, most of my asian friends households have some weirdly complicated lock that is never immediately obviously easy to unlock", "how i relate cant even understand" ]	9	videos	Leaving your friend's apartment (3:02)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MjTb5A68VA?	/r/videos/comments/rlawhq/anybody_remember_pencilface/	[ "This is such a flashback! I remember watching this with my buddies when we where all high as fuck and being both intrigued and genuinely terrified 😂", "Um, you do not forget Pencilface.", "Why copy/paste a comment directly from youtube?\n\n> Weareliving_art\n> 1 year ago (edited)\n> Basically‚ Is like the process of trapping little kids (dont argue that she is not a child btw because we dont get to know the age of her). I think that the pencil had gained the girl's trust and was tricking her by giving her gifts. For the last present it was supposed to be a lollipop. But it ended up as some hole (also it might of been some handerchifek code).\n> \n> \n> Edit: hey‚ this is future me. Stop arguing as this is just pointless.\n> \n> THEORY 2 AY! \n> \n> I believe, based off my last theory, this pencil represents a predator giving kids what they want, to make the kids trust them, soon, they trap them, a black hole is obviously a trap, the pencil face lures kids into what they dont know, when the girl sees the black hole, she is astounded, she is curious, the goes over, and she is kidnapped, just like how those Vans with the writings, Free Candy, trick the children. Making them closer.. to their kidnapping." ]	8	videos	Anybody remember Pencilface?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xYMnb5Dyko	/r/videos/comments/rlaxve/what_its_like_having_a_raven_as_a_pet/	[ "Fascinating", "The raven single handedly destroyed this man's life mercilessly killing his whole family", "Hey Hitler.", "His whole channel is bizarre. I've been watching him for years and I'm still not 100% convinced it's not satire.", "[Here's another one about his raven](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUU_HrekfuA)", "I was going to get a raven but then I remembered how much easier it is to clean up after a writing desk.", "Its a MESS!", "I saw a girl on a train with a Raven on her knee once. it was honestly the coolest pet I have ever seen. But my goodness they are bigger than you think.", "i still think it would be cool. Yes i know its a bird.", "Raven just don't care", "The first time I saw a raven it was in the wild in Flagstaff, AZ. I had stopped there for the evening making my way on a cross-country drive. Most people know ravens are bigger than crows, which are much more common, but it wasn't until I had one, seemingly 2 feet tall, looking me in the eyes from a low-hanging branch in front of my car that I understood how much bigger. I just let out this astonished \"Oh,\" and nervously backed away. Beautiful creatures, but way bigger up close than you'd think they'd be.", "Touch my camera through the fence", "Watched in vain for the raven to peck his head. Not that I wish that upon him.", "Sorry, wasnt paying attention, that gorgeous bird was too distracting", ">You said your crow is real social... to you!\n\nThe same thing applies to a lot of pets. I've been lunged at by enough dogs the owners swore were sweethearts to know better.", "This guy is fucking nuts. Go watch some of his other videos, where he claims to have been raped by female bigfoot.", "shout out to all the bots/sad people stealing all the comments on youtube for karma", "You mean a jackdaw? ;D", "a small bird like a Cockatoo? What cockatoos is he seeing, cause they are not a small bird. The destruction they can cause is legendary. Feed them daily on a window sill and miss a day, say good by to your window sill", "That's fucking hilarious.", "Dude, he's right there and can hear.", "The video where he's complaining about some chick pissing up against his car wheel made me laugh so much.", "Whats with everyone copy-pasting 2 year old comments from the Youtube comment section? O.o", "Haha yeah he actually looks pretty good since the last time I've seen him but I swear he's made this same video multiple times", "I think he meant cockatiel", "as a crow mom\n\nthey're a huge pain in the butt\n\nhe's caged simply because he poops so often my house would be entirely made of bird shit if he was free constantly, he comes out often enough though and is a huge suck.\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZ6IFFYOaI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZ6IFFYOaI) \n\n\nhe regularly pecks my partner for not being me", "You watch the bigfoot stuff and you're not sure it's satire?", "Here's the thing...", "I don't think most people want to keep a raven in their house. Most want to befriend an outside raven and look after each other.", "\"He doesn't give a shit he's a fkn Raven.\" I laughed way too hard at this.", "Did he say “my pigeon wife”??", "When do I start training them to fetch me some dollar bills for food pellets?", "Reading this guy’s profile and he seems to lead an interesting life. “Peter is owner of the only known physical evidence of Sasquatch, Bigfoot, and Yeti’s. After eating Bigfoot meat his debilitating hip was no longer a problem. The power of Bigfoot.”", "It's hilarious how he just has it in his fist. He holds it up and is like \"this bird is inappropriate!\"", "Lol \"if you take a shit, close the door! Light a match! ....Jesus Christ\" The scrolling end title has me rolling. I don't know why.", "Clearly it's satire and his YouTube profile info even says \"comedian\".\n\nThe [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npswv7Zh8sg) video is hilarious though.", "quoth, the raven, idgaf, nevermore!", "Floor drains are extremely uncommon in US bathrooms, nor are the floors / walls built to handle water outside the tub or shower. I guess because it's cheaper.", "> They can fly upside down and shit", "I apologize if it was unclear whether or not I knew that already.", "I did. And I'm half convinced he has a big foot dong in his freezer.", "Tesla never married, but he admitted to falling in love with a very special white pigeon that visited him regularly. He reportedly said, “I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. ... In 1922 Tesla reported that the white pigeon had flown into his room to tell him that she was dying.", "This guy talks like hes in an I Think You Should Leave skit.", "I meant more as in his persona. My favourite intro is the video where he's calling people out for calling him unprofessional while getting dressed.", "What's it like having a Raven as a pet?\n\nPeople will spending too much time bitching about if its two point conversion was a good idea or not.", "Oh he hates that thing.", "> Your crow is gunna munch this, munch your pineapple. It is, and you're going to feel like an idiot.", "Try it out", "Here's the thing. You said a \"jackdaw is a crow.\"\n\nIs it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.\n\nAs someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be \"specific\" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.\n\nIf you're saying \"crow family\" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.\n\nSo your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people \"call the black ones crows?\" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.\n\nAlso, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.\n\n[It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?](http://old.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjb37ee)", "Two words: leaded pipes", "It’s little face was so cute, every time he popped it back into the frame I was laughing. Interesting delivery of that message there lol", "I just saw a recommended video of him wearing an eye patch, really sold his pitch.", "Or carbon monoxide.", "Comment stolen from youtube", "This comment is stolen from youtube", "This comment is stolen from youtube", "Yeah that's exactly my thinking. It seems like he's serious but I really can't tell because what he's saying sounds like satire.", "\"It's a fuckin' mess. He doesn't give a shit, cuz he's a fuckin' raven\" lmao", "Didn't his fan base turn on him when he started dating some 18 year old. Rumors abound that they were talking waaaay before her birthday.", "What about poor Ike? Guy calling out his apparent lack of intelligence for all the world to hear!", "Well that calls for this I would say :\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BefliMlEzZ8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BefliMlEzZ8)\n\nN. Shadows", "It's like, you see the bigfoot videos and the \"proof\" he shows is so obviously fake but he plays it so straight that I can't get a full read on him. I like to think he's actually a comedic genius. But I could be oh so wrong.", "I have 3 little ass finches, those fuckers make such a mess when they bathe", "Quoth the raven, nevermore.", "He doesn't care, he's a fucking raven. LOL", "Oh man that is a clever job for a bot, never thought about that", "The varieties of human experience are astounding.", "Either way, I instantly liked him.", "If he would just, y'know, let the raven bathe in the sink like the rest of us bird owners, he'd be fine. What a dumbass.", "I have a mating pair of crows outside my house, they come beg for barley grains when I'm brewing. Sometimes I'm not, and the other day I tried to apologize for not having treats and one turned around and launched a jet of bird shit at me.", "Does anyone think this is the guy that narrates the honey badger video? I mean very similar mannerisms in cadence.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/4r7wHMg5Yjg", "He is a bot.", "Larry David's son?", "He's a solid dog trainer too!", "It reminded me of the crow I found on the road. I worked very hard for him to live. He was angry and didn't eat. we failed😭", "[Linkedin is helpful!](https://youtu.be/_2yh-PpyGD4)", "Glad I made it to the end. His delivery is remarkable.", "> There’s a prostitute that takes a dump in that doorway all the time. I’ve seen her.", "Considering he purposely leaving out the fact birds shit everywhere it's obviously an act.", "You must have a huge sink. Bathtub might work, but I don't know if I want a raven making a mess out of my bathroom.", "I'm not sure about the bots but the one thing I know for certain..\n\nSam is an Asshole.", "Uncle Billy!", "bots + karma = $$", "I once had a raven. Nevermore.", "Anytime I see a video like that, I wonder what it'd be like if the narrator was a hyper-evolved alien.\n\n\"You think having a human as a pet is fun? It's not, humans are a pain in the ass! Look at this asshole right here, this is Louie, this morning he took a bath and got hydrogen all over the transsubstantiator coils. I can't even leave any non-localized field effect buffers lying around or else he'll collapse the whole habitat. Humans fucking suck as pets, I tell you what.\"", "There's different kinds of ravens, some species are WAY bigger than others.", "I mean...okay. It sort of seems like this rant was avoidable somehow.", "Most birds are small compare to a raven. That's the way I took it.", "I have owned a parrot before- they're toddlers with beaks and claws. The sink/bathtub/shower is definitely a solution. They often love just a trickle of water, too, to put their heads under.", "He’s a raven He doesn’t give a shit" ]	95	videos	What it's like having a raven as a pet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urg0E2FlbnQ	/r/videos/comments/rlbcuf/tribute_to_the_90s/	[ "Fucking boooooooo....", "I usually like these videos, but this one was too fast. If you just slowed it down a bit, it would be watchable.", "I think it is great but it gets much better when Tonight Tonight kicks in IMO.", "I was an adolescent in 90's. Right in the feels. /u/TheFirstKingOfMars is right tho, could do with being slowed down a bit.", "wow thanks for the trip down memory lane haha", "And it was all down hill from then on.. the final end to an entire species.", "The 90's had 3 distinct phases that define and encapsulate the decade:\n\n1. Ninjas/Karate!!!!\n\n1. Dinosaurs/Dino-esque monsters!!!!!\n\n1. Beanie Babies!!!!!\n\nAll things that happened in the 90's will fall into at least 1 of those categories", "Nirvana / Angst Rock\n\nPost Grunge\n\nAh Fuck It, lets make \"Swing Revival\" a thing.", "Ah, the 90's.\n\n\nThe Corporate Approved and Corporate Safe version of the 1980's. Twice the production values, one quarter of the spirit. \n\n\nReal Hot Take: The 90's never ended. We've just been stuck in a perpetual laundry cycle since the 90's chronologically ended.", "Meth was cool in the 90s, apparently.", "I think it's safe to say we can blame what the 90s became because of what the politicians of the 80s started. 80s was a wolf in sheep's clothing.", "I was thinking in terms of culture.\n\n\nRap was great in the 80's and it had a raw, visceral appeal that was dry humped and clubbed until it became the kind of mass audience tripe that you saw in the 90's. Stuff like Arrested Development. The band, not the TV show. \n\n\nThe 80's gave us most of the important genres of metal. The 90's gave us Nirvana. \n\n\nThe 80's gave us the Video Games industry (as we know it) and the 90's gave us the Virtual Boy and the CD-I. \n\n\n\nYou are deceptively right about the political side of things though. Particularly within the sphere of national politics and the creation of the political class, a lot of that leg work starts with the Reagan Administration. Love or hate the guy- he is not the conservative messiah that Neo-Cons would have you believe he was nor was he as horned devil Satan as the left makes him out to be- he set political trends that establishment republicans and democrats have been aping ever since. \n\n\nExcept the charisma part. Strange to say after Reagan we never had a single fucking candidate who could emulate that quick thinking charisma. You'd think Democrats and Republicans would have personality grooming courses they put credible candidates through but instead we got Clinton, Clinton, Bush Jr., Gore, Kerry, Trump, Romney and Obama.", "Good response. Thanks for elaborating!", "I think the song went on for too long, some of the earlier songs should have been slightly longer and a few other songs towards the end, we didn't need 5 seconds of everything else and then a whole song of Smashing Pumpkins to represent the 90s, it is a good song even if it wasn't my thing, but seemed pretty out of place with the rest of the tribute vibe.", "The guy @.42 who missed the penalty kick was later shot in Columbia for missing that kick.", "I think there's a bit of a difference between now and '90s. It's more 2011 and now. Nothing has changed at all!", ">The Corporate Approved and Corporate Safe version of the 1980's.\n\nWhich, in turn, was the Corporate Approved and Corporate Safe version of the 1970's.", "Excuse me but saying the 90's JUST gave us Nirvana and Virtual boy is an incredible downplay. 90's have had much more musical success and advancement in the Video Game industry you talk of, than that of the 80's. Your hair band 'metal' shut its mouth over night when Grunge started. And for good reason, it was overly played and just glam.", "> The 80's gave us most of the important genres of metal. \n\nMuch of which is a commercialised version of an arguably more revolutionary genre, rock, much of which is a commercialised version of an arguably more revolutionary genre, blues, etc etc.\n\nIf you're really into rock or punk then the decade probably feels derivative and corporate. If you're a metal fan then the same decade might feel revolutionary. I suspect it also depends a lot when you grow up.\n\nBut in the end it's just a feature of capitalism. \n\nEven as you have new creative movements breaking through -- because people probably want that on some level -- you have an industry trying to extract as much profit as they from the previous creative movement. Arguably that industry has become more sophisticated with time but I think the basic cycle is similar. \n\nI don't think there's too much basis to claim any particular decade is much more creative than another. If anything, the typical argument I see is more that the 60s-70s are a \"break\" from what came before and the 80s represents the eventual commodisation of that movement. Personally I don't subscribe to the idea that the 60s are that much of a break, but it's at least as easy to see the seeds of the 80s in what came before as it is the 60s.\n\n>Strange to say after Reagan we never had a single fucking candidate who could emulate that quick thinking charisma\n\nThe media landscape has changed massively. I think it's fair to call Obama a very charismatic guy. But he must also have known that everything he said was going to be so incredibly scrutinised as the first black President. \n\nAnd even Bush. I think he'd have been seen, and be remembered, differently if he didn't exist in a world where you were in front of the media constantly and every gaffe was starting to go viral.", "That's Roberto Baggio, and he is very much still alive. You're thinking of [Andres Escobar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Escobar)", ">Much of which is a commercialised version of an arguably more revolutionary genre, rock, much of which is a commercialised version of an arguably more revolutionary genre, blues, etc etc.\n\nI would not say that death metal or black metal are more commercialised than the rock and hardcore genres that influenced them", "Oops my bad. Thanks for the clarification", "I think there is a fair argument that there is is a certain marketing trend behind who can be the heaviest, fastest, darkest, lowest tunings etc. Maybe marketing trend isn't exactly the right wording, but you get the idea. \n\nThis certainly isn't to say that every specific flavour of metal is more commercialised than every specific flavour of rock either. But certainly there is a brand of distorted arena-filling music that did fairly well for itself in the 80s. \n\nIn general my point is that trying to point to any specific era as a creative golden age probably says more about the age and preferences of the poster, than it does about culture itself.", ">I think there is a fair argument that there is is a certain marketing trend behind who can be the heaviest, fastest, darkest, etc. Maybe marketing trend isn't exactly the right wording, but you get the idea.\n\nBlack Metal and Death Metal haven't actually evolved to become increasingly heavier. Some bands lean on it more, and certain traditions within them are heavier - but many are not.\n\nie you could identify melodic death metal as more 'commercialised' as death metal proper because it represents a softening and cleaner version of the original death metal sound that would appeal to a wider group of people, hence the name.\n\nDeath metal and black metal, however, have inherent stylistic qualities that makes them anathema to most people - even lots of people that liked traditional metal.", ">Black Metal and Death Metal haven't actually evolved to become increasingly heavier. Some bands lean on it more, and certain traditions within them are heavier - but many are not.\n\nI would disagree with that at least from the perspective of the 70s-80s. \n\nThis also isn't to say it's the only piece of \"commercialization\" that exists in this space. There are plenty of niches in the market and the whole concept is fuzzy and hard to define. \n\n>Death metal and black metal, however, have inherent stylistic qualities that makes them anathema to most people \n\nThat doesn't de facto prevent commercialisation in my view. There is a reasonably storied vein of music that basically presents itself as \"most people will hate this (especially your parents)\". \n\nNor does being melodic necessarily mean highly commercial. There are plenty of folk artists that are soft and clean, but that I wouldn't necessarily call highly commercial. \n\nTo me, that point is more about how it ties in with market trends. Sometimes that can be on the level of a single artist changing their sound. Sometimes it can be a wider point basically that something was popular at a given moment so you had the wider industry trying to hop on and cash in. \n\nFor the purposes of my original comment, it is the second: increasingly heavy rock became popular throughout the 60s-70s with clear counterculture elements -- most obviously in the hippie and punk movements -- and there was a commercialisation of that kind of sound and image over time.", ">I would disagree with that at least from the perspective of the 70s-80s.\n\nI mean after their emergence. When black metal and death metal emerged properly in the late 80's (roughly), the black metal and death metal that developed afterwards wasn't all inherently heavier every time.\n\n>That doesn't de facto prevent commercialisation in my view. There is a reasonably storied vein of music that basically presents itself as \"most people will hate this (especially your parents)\".\n\nWithin that quadrant itself, death/black metal are actually relatively niche players. Most 'edgy' music, more commercialised examples that may be marketed in that sense would be metalcore, nu metal.\n\n>Nor does being melodic necessarily mean highly commercial. There are plenty of folk artists that are soft and clean, but that I wouldn't necessarily call highly commercial.\n\nSure, but melodic death metal is probably one of the more successful offshoots of death metal - and many bands in part switched to it in order to present a cleaner, more accessible sound as to attract a wider audience.\n\ndeath/black metal didn't really emerge and evolve, in most instances, as a commercialised endeavour - the same way sludge metal didn't, or post-metal (which is a retrospective descriptive term).", "Glam rock was the corporate approved evolution of, \"We want the Led Zeppelin Crowd.\" \n\n\nGrunge is not metal. Glam rock flirts with metal but it's not. Nirvana is probably the most overrated band in recent history and a lot of that rides on the fact that Curt Kobane Kobane'd himself with a 12 gauge blowjob instead of sticking around long enough to have people realize he was a drugged out, burned out loser. \n\n\nDespite appearances, grunge was actually pretty shallow and excluding a few songs, made by a few bands- mainly Alice in Chains- there is very little to the legacy of the genre. Metal was content to do it's own thing when record labels and terrestrial radio decided it was too controversial for them.", ">I think it's fair to call Obama a very charismatic guy. \n\n\nDude crumbled and became a stutter factory the minute he didn't have his teleprompter." ]	28	videos	Tribute to the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uPhRZLzZCg	/r/videos/comments/rlbfl4/the_my_little_pony_cum_jar_project/	[ "Tbh I fail to see the funny here. It’s just fucking disgusting.", "Some men have nothing to lose", "Sometimes I just want to make people uncomfortable…" ]	4	videos	The My Little Pony Cum Jar Project
https://youtu.be/pbVifj2G7UE	/r/videos/comments/rlbm6c/a_tenor_crumhorn_that_is_all/	[ "A fancy kazoo", "Oh I see you play the acoustic Otamatone!", "IS THIS THE THING BOB MORTIMER USES TO DO HIS OWN DENTISTRY?", "cumhorn" ]	4	videos	A tenor crumhorn. That is all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlbyt4/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rlbyt4/deleted_by_user/	[ "nice", "lol someone came through and downvoted everything. Someone with a competing post? Who knows. Thanks for posting though.", ":D", "Needs more sliding", "Well played, Chuck. Lady Nightshade, Wisdom and I shall ascend the rear of the property and ascertain the state of their defenses." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/lEBooK1b3dk	/r/videos/comments/rlcwl0/did_youtube_premiere_and_only_had_1_viewer_which/	[ "Looked like fun. You did well with the editing but the music was a bit loud to understand you talking.", "thank youuuu\n\nNoted!!", "From almost every creator I have heard talk about making youtube videos, they universally say premieres are probably one of the worst things you can do. It almost always tanks their view count once it is released.", "will keep in mind!" ]	4	videos	Did Youtube Premiere and only had 1 viewer which is me. Someday I'll make it big!
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rld0uk/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rld0uk/deleted_by_user/	[ "This is the fourth time this was posted.\n\nAfter looking at your post history it looks like you're a shitty karma farmer. you just spam subreddits with inane garbage/reposts hoping they catch on. You've got like 100 of the same question posted on askreddit. \"\\_\\_\\_\\_\\_\\_ of reddit what misconceptions do people have about living in \\_\\_\\_\\_\\_\\_\\_\"", "Did you really make a new account because you were so butthurt about what I'd said? You do know how incredibly obvious it is that you're the OP, right?", "I am sorry for doing that stuff, that was back from when I was stupid. \n\n\nAlso, I am pretty sure that is not my account." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rld3nr/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rld3nr/deleted_by_user/	[ "Terrible editing", "Yeah i don't watch football at all, but seeing some professional scoring can still be entertaining for me. Since i don't watch it that much, it's hard to follow what's going on and this editing is just making it impossible.", "Just type Goal of the Month December 2006 into YouTube (top 10 prem goals of that month). Won't be beaten \n\nThank me later." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rle1vz/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rle1vz/deleted_by_user/	[ "Far from a gem IMO but it is underrated.", "Underrated!?? Maybe if the dev didn’t ruined the game when they did updates and nuff all the weapons", "Which part of it is underrated? The plot is rubbish.", "LOL, played the demo. I could tell from the beginning that the game was a poorly cobbled together mess. Zero challenge, I just ran at everything and used abilities. The AI was complete garbage, the story and it's delivery were bland and generic. Not underrated at all, plus the people who did want to play at release we met with a slew of connection problems.\n\nIt's just bad.", "Actually the game picked up a lot with the last expansion. New horizons.", "I’ll be honest with you, did not care much about the plot but I do love the fighting and abilities. Graphics is quite nice too on series x.", "Actually the game gained momentum recently and it gets better as the story progresses. The expeditions are quite fun at endgame." ]	7	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63KL5PNBxhM	/r/videos/comments/rlevrm/screenwriter_john_orloff_who_wrote_episode_2_day/	[ "One of the best TV series ever made. Created at a perfect time when some of the men of Easy Company were still alive to add their first person accounts of events. \n\nThe Pacific is a good series but isn't as cohesive as Band of Brothers where you get to know the same group of men over several episodes. Each one has a subtly different feel to it, but all of them are brilliant in their own way. The cast is also superb with great lead performances but also lots of actors destined to be famous in smaller roles like Michael Fassbender, Tom Hardy, James McAvoy, Simon Pegg and even Jimmy Fallon. \n\nIf you haven't watched it, do yourself a favour and binge it this Xmas.", "Phenomenal series.", "I had a lot of trouble getting into The Pacific, until I skipped the first two episodes. \n\nTotally agree about Band of Brothers. I visited Bastogne in 2005, and took a photo of the signature board that the men from Easy Company had recently left. I looked it up recently when I discovered the last officer, Shames, had just died, and was surprised by one of my pictures.\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/9Dx8rEt.jpg", "thanks", "I really wish the quality of the HBO streaming video didn't do this series such a disservice. Last time I watched it the bandwidth was so low that the blacks were totally crushed and super blocky.", "If anyone's interested, here's Ron Livingston (Louis Nixon)'s video diary from basic training up until shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju11gCisOL4", "I'm sorry at first I read this and thought to myself there aren't many black people in the series and also what does it mean they were crushed and blocky. Then I had to think. I bought this on blue ray years ago. Thanks for the heads up not to take the easy way and stream it.", "Band of Brothers was just something else, I think it brought on the era of.. How can I put it, I think it brought on the idea that TV can be just as good as cinema, if not even better. It was fucking out of this world. Might be the best produced cinema/tv that has ever existed to this day.", "Hanks has an airborne series in the works to finish the trilogy of war mini-series.\n\nMasters of the Air/The Mighty Eighth. It was being developed at HBO but it seems like Tom Hanks signed a fat deal with AppleTv to get this mini-series made since Hanks has now starred in 2 big Apple movies, in particular the success of greyhound is probably what he used to convince them to fund Masters of the Air. \n\nShooting has started already, so it’ll probably be finishes in 2 years.", "Yeah it's been development for years. Hopefully it will be good." ]	10	videos	Screenwriter John Orloff, who wrote Episode 2 ("Day of Days") and 9 ("Why We Fight") of the HBO TV series Band of Brothers, breaks some of his favorite scenes from the series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA	/r/videos/comments/rlf02p/rebuilding_the_oroville_dam_spillways/	[ "Grady is a homie", "hilarious to see contractors cleaning off rocks with shop vacs and home depot buckets around 11:50", "[ Jump to 11:50 @ Rebuilding the Oroville Dam Spillways](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA&t=0h11m50s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Practical Engineering, Video Length: [20:38])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@11:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA&t=0h11m45s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "It was even more hilarious in person. It was also amazing what they were able to do though.", "Blancolirio has a four part series where he was given a tour of the construction project.\n\n[Part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te48aZvh75g)\n\n[Part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU4AGuQ5gMo)\n\n[Part 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=537ZMvix1Pg)\n\n[Part 4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNNYRpp1k0)", "How much did it all cost? Is there an estimate anywhere?", "[$1.1 Billion](https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Feds-reimburse-California-for-Oroville-Dam-15075134.php)", "damn", "Dam." ]	10	videos	Rebuilding the Oroville Dam Spillways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ww2TP_tU7o&n7q	/r/videos/comments/rlfbpb/next_gen_farming_without_soil_uses_90_less_water/	[ "This is the future of food. So cool.", "Hydroponics isn't \"next gen\". It's over 2,000 years old and the reasons we don't use it on a widespread scale haven't changed.", "It's more efficient from a greenhouse and energy cost standpoint to farm crops at scale outdoors in climates that support the crops, and ship them across distances, than it is to construct greenhouse or artificial light buildings locally and farm less efficiently.", "I feel like it could have been useful to explain to the audience and her that plants are grown mostly from air not soil.", "Alright, please tell me why this is BS.", "Care to elaborate?", "lol you responded to a spam account bot that just rips the top comment from the YouTube video and reposts it on reddit\n\nThere are 3-4 of them in this very post and it's sad to see this sub being plagued by them.", "Soil-less farming has its uses, but shouldn't distract from the looming catastrophe which is soil infertility. \n\nCouple that with a population set to increase much more in the next 50 years, this issue will make global warming comparatively seem like a minor inconvenience.\n\nThis topic is definitely not as trending or in public awareness anywhere near as much as it should be.\n\nThis BBC article explains it well: https://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/follow-the-food/why-soil-is-disappearing-from-farms/\n\nAnd one from the Isha Foundation: https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/wisdom/article/save-the-soil-revitalization-methods\n\nEDIT: From the above article: \n\n\"Eighty-seven percent of life forms on this planet – microbes, worms, insects, birds, animals, human beings, plants, trees and every other vegetation on the planet is sustained by an average of thirty-nine inches of topsoil. And that is in grave danger right now. In the last forty years, forty percent of the world’s topsoil has been lost. The United Nations says we have soil left only for approximately eighty to hundred harvests, which means another forty-five to sixty years of agriculture. After that, we will not have the soil to produce food. You can imagine the suffering that we will unfold in the world. Thirty percent of India’s land is already degraded, and 90% of India’s states are seeing soil turn to desert. That means nothing can be cultivated there. So, protecting the soil for the future generations of this land is the most important thing. \"", "why do people even do that?", "To prep the accounts with karma and activity before they sell them to someone else who uses them to spam/shill from.", "EPCOT has a ride featuring Hydroponics from the 80s lmao", "^\n\nSpam account that takes comments from the YT video and reposts them to reddit", "^\n\nSpam account that takes comments from the YT video and reposts them to reddit", "^\n\nSpam account that takes comments from the YT video and reposts them to reddit", "^\n\nSpam account that takes comments from the YT video and reposts them to reddit", "> the reasons we don't use it on a widespread scale haven't changed\n\nI googled for answers and it seems like he's talking out of his ass here, it seems like the market for this is growing and although hydroponics \"still has the same challenges it always has\" we've obviously got significantly better science and technology for tackling them (detecting and preventing water borne plant diseases, constant monitoring tools, ~~portable suns~~ grow lights, etc)\n\nthe two biggest reasons it's currently not yet very widespread seem to be\n\n- dirt's cheap (hydroponics, less so) and \n- not all plants can be grown like this (or, well, they can, but some are way way less cost/space/resource effective)\n\nhe's right that it's not a new technology, but thanks to technological advances it seems like it's kind of a \"developing technology\" all the same", "~~Important~~ Important crops won't grow hydroponically/aeroponically. I'm not a farmologist so I don't know the reasons for it.", "Wait, in the US if you buy Organic it has pesticide on it? WTF", "Hydroponics and aeroponics are not new. There's nothing new going on here, It has \"Elon Musk invented the tunnel\" energy.", "Im not following what your saying. Important what?", "What infuriates me about this movement is this \"feed the world\" mentality that is driven by marketing folks, not scientists and engineers. Salads and herbs may provide nutrition in a diet, but that does not constitute a complete diet. Starches and proteins are necessary. Vertical farms, at present, do not confront issues associated with the production of starches and proteins.\n\nEvery talking head in this space will latch onto the idea that agriculture is detrimental to the environment and not posed scale for our future population in its current state, both of which are true pieces of information, but not a single one will acknowledge that the leafy green industry is as good as rounding error in the context of the big problem at hand.", "Somehow \"Some crops\" turned into \"Important\" and I don't know how.\n\nEdit: Okay now I remember, I was going to type \"important crops\" but forgot to type \"crops\".", "Not only that, but agriculture is over 10,000 years old but farmers weren't feeding 8 billion people back in the day either. Growing enough potatoes in the dirt for the entire planet is SUPER complicated", "\"but canada's permafrost will thaw and we can grow our corn there!\" \n\nah yes.... the infamously fertile agricultural soils of permafrost....", "lol okay that makes sense. thanks", "Cost efficiency is the biggest reason. It's just generally more expensive than growing crops in a field.", "There are plenty of organic pesticides", "But the ones that can be grown hydroponically free up farmland for the other stuff.", "I was under the impression that foods grown hydroponically are less nutritious. Can someone speak to this?", "The thing is.. hydroponics is not going to see any revolutions, it is in iterative phase where marginal changes can happen. It is old technique at this point, we know what works and what does not. The reasons we don't use hydroponics more haven't changed. Vertical farming is one of those hype words, it isn't really that revolutionary unless we are talking about indoor farming using only artificial light. And that kind of vertical farming is the least efficient from them all, they only suit places where water is the main scarcity but you have plenty of electricity.\n\nIt is still good that hydroponics are kept in the limelight, as it does enable more people to grow something. It is of course not efficient at scale until we get practically unlimited free energy.. But the yields even in moderate setups are such that it isn't just \"i got 2 tomatoes\", the results are more rewarding and you don't need to have a large plot of land.", "No, it isn't the future, it is just cool but not practical in the scales we need.", "Living with the Land! Best ride at EPCOT", ">Couple that with a population set to double again the the next 50 years, this issue will make global warming comparatively seem like a minor inconvenience.\n\nDo you have a source on this? [Because I think you are wildly off](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation#:~:text=Based%20on%20this%2C%20the%20UN,1.9%20in%202095%E2%80%932100%2C%20according).\n\nI think you are equally wrong on the soil infertility \"looming catastrophe\" claim, but I am not as well read up on that. To the best of my knowledge, the main reason vegetables contain less \"good stuff\" is because they are growing faster than in the past, due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere. The soil is not depleted, as we have something called fertilizer.", "[Human overpopulation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation#:~:text=Based on this, the UN,1.9 in 2095–2100, according) \n \n >Human overpopulation (or human population overshoot) is the concept of a human population becoming too large to be sustained by its environment or resources in the long term. The idea is usually discussed in the context of world population, though it may also concern regions. Human population growth has increased in recent centuries due to medical advancements and improved agricultural productivity. Those concerned by this trend argue that it results in a level of resource consumption which exceeds the environment's carrying capacity, leading to population overshoot.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Wait, he didn't???", "It's not BS persay, but a big problem is cost. Think of the money that goes into pumps, electric lights, hand packaging seedlings in cocunut husks etc... Planting seeds in a field and watering them and letting the sun shine on them is much cheaper. \n\nOther than cost, and perhaps energy requirement, it's perfectly fine.", "Fun fact, it takes 24 wine barrels of space to grow enough potatoes to sustain a single person for 1 year if they lived on nothing but those potatoes.", "V. farming, which is just a subset of [controlled environment agriculture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled-environment_agriculture) (CEA), is just one part of a larger solution. We're also going to have lab-grown meat/seafood/dairy, plus companies like Air Protein and Solar Foods using hydrogenotrophs to make proteins and carbohydrates for flour, oils, etc.\n\nEven before cultured meat takes the market, companies will use other tech advances to feed animals more sustainably. And also to improve plant-based alternatives. But some companies are already growing [alfalfa in vertical farms](https://www.agritecture.com/blog/2020/11/12/this-vertical-farm-is-growing-foodbut-its-for-cows). Others (YNsect for example) are building vertical insect farms to provide food for chickens, pigs, and aquaculture. And other companies like Deep Branch are doing something closer to what Solar Foods and Air Protein aim to do, but for animal food. \n\nCEA won't have to grow all our food. There are a lot of changes going on. There are also changes afoot in [cellular agriculture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_agriculture) apart from just food, such as Galy working on lab-grown cotton. Plus of course lab-grown leather, wool, fur, etc. Even [starch has been synthesized](https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2021/10/heres-one-way-to-save-farmland-synthesize-starch-from-co2/) from CO2.", "Not all plants can be grown this way. To be exact those we need the most like wheat, corn, potatoes, etc. So it's great for some things, but it's not a universal solution. It's also more energy intensive.", "Just imagine if these towers were full of mealworms instead!", "Organic regulations very from place to place. I'm not sure where you are from that requires \"organics\" be pesticide free. But almost all crops are grown with pesticides. Some pesticides are classified as \"organic\", but just how much better that is really depends on what is falling within the classification.", "Is there a point at which economies of scale kick in and farm becomes \"profitable\"? Will automation/ robotics help decrease the costs? \nWhen I say BS, I am not meaning to say that I am against it. I am trying to see what are some of the arguments against it to make the arguments for stronger. In short, I am approaching it with constructive skepticism.", "Here is a much better, more informative video about vertical farming:\n\n[link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V605mb9Fr-M&ab_channel=OurChangingClimate)", "Is it time to recycle this? This has been done over and over for the past like 20 years already..", "Ever see a post thats 30 minuets old with 200 up votes with a 97% upvote ratio, and 17 comments like \"Wow, great Job. I really enjoyed this\"", "Do they really? The size of that warehouse takes up a bit.", "Thanks I've fixed the error- I have no idea why I said double. It's been a long day haha.", "Best ride at ~~EPCOT~~ Disney World", "I hope you like lettuce because leafy greens are the only crop worth growing to make this type of farming viable.", "I have no doubt vertical farming can be profitable - the better question is, can it become as profitable as a typical farm. I think the only way for the answer to be yes, is if people are willing to pay a premium for food grown in this manner, and while some people might, most of us just don't really care how something was grown - we just look at the cost.", "Factual", "The big issue is scale. There are a lot of crops which we simply cannot grow in hydroponics because of the massive scale needed (chickpeas, cereals, canola, etc). Hydroponics is great for vegetables and other things where the production is high for the amount of space and the product itself can sell at a decent price, but when you get to things we need in vast quantities, hydroponics just isn't feasible because of the sheer amount we need. \n\nHydroponics is also more labour intensive so there are a number of crops (see list above, corn, rice, etc.) where it's just cheaper and easier to produce them in an environment where large machinery can be used for planting, maintaining, and harvesting the crops rather than relying on manual labour or smaller machines designed to fit in those buildings. \n\nNot to put down hydroponics generally. It's good in specific areas, but there's a reason farmers have not transitioned over to it on a large scale (if they could make more money doing it, you can be sure they would do it).", "The big advances we're seeing are not necessarily in hydroponics but the technology it enables. Not needing to work around soil makes the plants a lot more accessible for automation like Robotics, Machine Vision, and Controlled Environments. Hydroponics is able to leverage advancements in these three fields, which is exactly what True Garden (as in this video), Aerofarms, and others are doing.", "You should absolutely report weird posts if and when you see them. There are a few mods on the mod team who just absolutely relish in busting these spam rings, and having the ability to put more eyes on the issue makes it easier to catch.", "You don't build it on farmland.", "This, also the advent of LED lighting!", "You cant feed the masses with this\n\nLook cool tho 👍", "this could work for expensive shop, but how would they plant thousands of these.", "It's just a fancier greenhouse for marketing people. If you want truly sustainable operation, then don't try to grow plants outside of its native climate and season.", "Foods grown fast and full of water have more water and less food in them, nothing wrong with that besides less taste, though that's not necessarily what happens with hydroponics, just a possibility due to efficiency.", "Does this translate to less nutritious?", "Two tomatoes weighing the same, one was grown faster by having 15% more water in it. That means the 'watery' tomato will have 15% fewer nutrients. Don't confuse that with being somehow less healthy, but more like eating a 15% smaller tomato while sipping water.", "All leafy greens, and no fruits.. thats a cool vegetable and fruit garden...", "That's a pretty good take. As machine vision and automation improve/get cheaper, and as energy gets less expensive (as it inevitably will once renewables and grid scale energy storage are implemented more and more and lead to times of near permanent energy excess), compact vertical farms will become much more economical. If they ever get to a point where a tomato grown in a vertical farm in winter costs less than a person living there than a tomato grown in a field outside 1500 km closer to the equator, then vertical farming will experience a rapid and large scale build out, with focus on products which are in highest demand. It could even lead to a sort of dietary fruit revolution as tropical species that are delicious but have poor shelf lives and are essentially unfarmable for 95% of people are suddenly viable produce as they are picked and sold locally in the same day. Just imagine being able to go to the local vertical farm and having a selection of dozens of species of different fruits from all around the world, and multiple varieties of each species to pick from, all at prices lower than what's currently economical.", "People are talking out of their ass. I have hydroponically grown greens and tomatoes on the shelves at my grocery store and they are close in price to field grown. They are also grown 300miles away vs 1800 miles away.\n\nGranted, these are grown in a hydroponic greenhouse and not a vertical farm. I don’t believe vertical farms are going to be successful, I would bet on hydroponic greenhouses.\n\nI also work in the industry and my job is to analyze these types of companies. Corn, wheat, soybeans, and other broadacre crops will never come inside. However, things like tomatoes, peppers, strawberries, and leafy greens will increasingly come from greenhouses.", "Dumping fertilizer on fields has catastrophic consequences. I would highly recommend looking into the regenerative agriculture movement. The practice changes create healthier soils and ecosystems, while reducing the use of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer.\n\nFeeding 10B people by 2050 will require supply chain innovation and consumer habit changes. The onus isn’t on farms to increase yield.", ">Dumping fertilizer on fields has catastrophic consequences.\n\nCitation needed.", "And when the permafrost melts it will kick climate change into over drive releasing shit tons of methane stored in the arctic.", "I mentioned this in another comment but vertical farming makes more sense as energy prices drop. If you ignore energy costs, vertical farming already makes more sense than greenhouses because vertical farms are literally just multiple greenhouses stacked up on top of each other, which means you produce a lot more food per land footprint. Of course, energy is currently not free, and since high density vertical farms require either artificial lighting or sunlight collecting and reflecting to supply the plants with energy, the viability of vertical farming is not great in most cases currently. \n\nThat being said, the move towards greenhouses does seem inevitable, as construction and maintenance costs fall while the productivity of a controlled environment is much higher than open land in almost every climate. With low enough costs of conversion and maintenance, turning an acre of open farmland into an acre of greenhouse farmland can extend the growing season by months or even make it year-round, greatly increasing productivity of that land and therefore profitability. This is especially true in arid climates where the biggest barrier to effective farming is water scarcity, since a controlled environment farm can provide appropriate shade and trap humidity, while also retaining heat during cool nights. \n\nIf (and hopefully when) we transition onto a majority-renewable power grid system (with grid scale storage and all the rest), energy prices should fall quite significantly when there is excess generation trending over longer time periods. That is to say, the grid will be able to store overproduction during the day to supply at night, but it won't be able to handle continuous buildup of excess energy during the summer as each 24 hour production is 120% of 24 hour demand. During these periods, energy prices should plummet, as producers want to get rid of excess energy rather than having to open relays and disconect portions of production entirely. These long periods of ultralow energy prices are times when vertical farms will be extremely economical. As this situation becomes a regular occurrence I can see vertical farms accepting 8 months of marginal economics punctuated by 4 months of high profitability and carving out a significant niche in the agricultural market. Some of these companies could even build their own energy storage batteries and sell the capacity to utilities during periods of excess while simultaneously pulling cheap power into their lighting systems, extending their period of high economic competitiveness by another few months of the year. Finally, if we get a little utopian for a second, if we just built up the energy production sector to the point that we were continuously overproduction energy year-round, and ran electrical grids more like unlimited internet connections than natural gas pipelines, the abundant and basically free electricity supply would allow vertical farming to out-compete almost everything else, by offering a year-round growing season no matter the climate, at high production density, right beside urban populations. The abundant electricity would also have major impacts by greatly reducing the prices of things like aluminum ore smelting and all waste recycling in general, allowing for cheap synthesis of chemical fuels from atmospheric gasses, and so on, but that's a really far off look at a rather idyllic future so don't take it too seriously.", "https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/issue\n\nExcess nitrogen and phosphorous cause algal blooms that destroy aquatic ecosystems. Everything is connected.\n\nNot to mention nitrogen is wildly expensive right now. Farmers are looking for any way to reduce their need for it.", "\"Excess\" is by definition bad. Would you say that \"proper\" use of fertilizer has catastrophic consequences?", "I have a tower garden, its been fantastic but it has its own little issues. If you have any actual pests like aphids, say good bye to all that hard work! their nearly impossible to get rid of.", "Well it's a good thing we don't just eat potatoes. /s", "Hey now, bots use 90 % less energy than humans", "What kind of unit of measure is a wine barrel of space. Is that a 2 dimension barrel on its side? Standing up?", "Standing up.\n\nThere is a technique for gardening where you stand a wine barrel up on its end with an open top. Place 8\" or soil in the bottom, and plant whole potatoes in that soil. The potatoes will sprout as if they were in a field or garden. When the plants are about 4\" in height above the soil in the barrel, you add another 8\" of soil and let the same plant that you first planted at the bottom to grow up through the newly added soil. You continue doing this, letting the plant grow out of the soil, then re-covering the plant until the plant reaches the top of the barrel. After which you let the plant grow to maturity as you would in a field or planter box. You now have potatoes all through out the wine barrel to be harvested. This lets you maximize your produce to ground space and is about 6 times as efficient in space required than planting in the ground.", "Oh, huh that's really interesting :D Thanks for the info.", "Most of the examples shown for this stuff is all super fancy and high tech when it doesn't need to be.\n\nGet a warehouse, throw in racks, lights, irrigation, good to go.\n\nAll these companies are for profit. I'd like to see this developed as an open source project that anyone can build off of. Have communities and towns fund projects and sell veggies cheap to low income people.", "But isn't actually sustainable because of the dramatic and ongoing emissions and energy requirements, but keeps getting pushed because...\n\n> investors", "So are you bullish on vertical farms or not. There’s a couple companies worth investing like Bowery when they go public", "Why don’t electric companies invest is batterie to hold the cheap electric generated during the day instead of relying on the public to change their habit of consumption with lower prices", "This presenter is awful, there's a difference between paraphrasing to aid understanding and just repeating verbatim 'I'm actually a pharmacist' 'so, he's actually a licensed pharmacist'. It's like she's presenting a kids show, you want to eat a stevia leaf as an after-dinner dessert... ok.", "Sure it uses less water but how much energy/CO2 does it use and how long do you have to use that building before it becomes even close to sustainable. Lettuce/greens are overvalued per weight and for the amount of actual nutrients and calories he is growing it look pretty damn unsustainable. It makes business sense because he can probably sell his produce for a good amount but it's probably not environmentally sustainable.\n\nPlease stop green washing things without any evidence, just because it's different don't assume it's even remotely sustainable.\n\nThe Netherlands is big into indoor farms and they have some very very impressive stats, but land is also pretty expensive in The Netherlands and a lot of people live there so it makes economic sense in that way.", "This seems bogus. Moral of the story is you had two different tomatoes." ]	89	videos	Next Gen Farming Without Soil Uses 90% Less Water
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9sI7WveN7vk&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/rlfrtv/keeping_a_grocery_store_lobster_as_a_pet/	[ "Nice", "One grocery store lobster found a new home instead of getting steamed.", "I watched this last night! Hahaha.", "I love you Pinchy!", "simpsons did it", "Same. Strange that YouTube randomly recommends these things.", "It’s on par with what I like, I guess. As soon as I saw it recommended, I clicked on it", "Because this wasn't on Videos front page literally 5 days ago....\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rh99o2/keeping_a_grocery_store_lobster_as_a_pet", "Because everyone wastes as much time on Reddit every single day as you do.", "For people interested - update released today: https://youtu.be/EAmIEQb9QhM\n\nLeon seems to be doing fine." ]	10	videos	Keeping A Grocery Store Lobster As A Pet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpm6UWyU5IM	/r/videos/comments/rlfsyq/shoot_me_an_email/	[ "Lol. Just posted a quote from this scene as a comment yesterday\n\nhttps://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rko0p7/_/hpcf8vj/?context=1", "Used to be my ICQ notification. I be old.", "uh oh!", "That was a great comment." ]	4	videos	"Shoot me an email."
https://youtu.be/s6OmqXCsYt8	/r/videos/comments/rlg6qp/japans_ancient_secret_to_better_cognitive_memory/	[ "jaysus ..white kids are so stupid compared to these guys. fuck me", "You're just mad white people invented calculators and stole your job as a literal bean counter", "i'm white", "self-hating white, that's very reddit of you", "responding to strangers on reddit, that's very reddit of you", "That's how the internet works brotato", "Another mindlessly insulting redditor inserting their negativity on an unexpecting and innocent redditer. \n\nHow obviously trite, predictable, and basic of you.", "And no that is not how the internet works; that's how people like you work.", "I loooove me some cognitive memoriez.", "and you apparently", "\nNah, that was them when they said this\n\n> jaysus ..white kids are so stupid compared to these guys. fuck me", "Your personal attacks like you made are a different ballgame, bud. \n\nA generalization pointing out a discrepancy in academic levels of whites vs asians, is fact. Get over yourself and try not taking general statements so personal that you reduce yourself to personal attacks.\n\nYou're behaving as a sad heckler in the audience, by choice. Pretty weak character.", ">Your personal attacks like you made are a different ballgame, bud.\n\nYeah, they're less bad because they aren't insulting an entire race, and I'm not your buddy, pal.", "If stating a fact is insulting, my friend, no wonder there are so many that eat up actual fake news. \n\nReality doesn't care if you're offended but test scores don't support your claims as much as white kids suck at math compared to asians. \n\nYou're just another offended sad white reddit warrior with no valid point.", ">don't support your claims\n\nWhat claim? That white people invented calculators? That's just a fact\n\n>If stating a fact is insulting, my friend, no wonder there are so many that eat up actual fake news.\n\nYou mean like how 12% of the population commits 50% of the crime?", "Nah, your claims that the original commenter lost their job and that they're a self-hating white. \n\nTwo purposefully targeted attacks on the commenter. You're wrong. You're arguments are weak. You're trying to change the point of discussion. \n\nAnd you've earned yourself plenty of downvotes with each post. Try picking up a hobby that could offer you a more fulfilling sense of accomplishments, like looking up non-topic facts for people who care. Maybe something at Fox News would suit you, seeing as you lack a sense of coherence, tact, and focus.", "My man, you can deflect all you want, but the dude literally said disparaging remarks against an entire race. You have it all backwards and need to realize that.\n\nEverything you said just now lacks substance. You haven't made an argument, you wasted 200 words on \"You're wrong.\" And refused to elaborate.\n\nNow you've dug yourself into a hole because you're defending a racist comment.", "> White are more stupid at math.\n\nPhew, that's a rough sentence, ignoring the fact it has the grammar of a 3rd grader, it's also racist, so nice job being racist :)\n\n>Maybe climb down from your high horse\n\nOh? I have the high horse now? Is that so? Because a second ago you were acting mighty preachy." ]	19	videos	Japan's ancient secret to better cognitive memory (the abacus)
https://youtu.be/zol2MJf6XNE	/r/videos/comments/rlgq5s/animal_collective_my_girls_official_video/	[ "Loved it then, love it now.", "This give me Beach Boys vibes.", "RIP yooouuutuuube.", "It really has that feel", "Exactly", "Motherfucking Chad Von Nau. If you don’t know, you should.", "Has pitchfork given a perfect 10 for an album since this one?", "Don't know, don't care.\n\nAny reviewer who gives 0/10 or 10/10 is dead to me.", "They gave this album a 9.6 and yes they have given Kanye West’s “My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy” and Fiona Apple’s “Fetch the Bolt Cutters” 10s since then.", "Listened to this song for the first time when I was on LSD tripping alone and it took me to another dimension." ]	11	videos	Animal Collective - My Girls (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Z2yrcCwTE	/r/videos/comments/rlh8bm/how_to_socialize_feral_kittens/	[ "Is there a mating season for feral cats? I have a few living behind our house, most have been caught, spade or neutered, then released (clipped ear). But I'm wondering if there is a specific time to keep an eye out for kittens?", "\"kitten season\", as it is referred to, is basically spring through early fall. They can have litters any time of the year, but winter litters are less common. They still do happen, though.\n\nBest thing is to make sure that everyone has been caught and clipped. Whenever you see someone new in your colony (no tipped ear) just contact whatever rescue you worked with or use your traps to get them and have them fixed.", "My family ended up finding 3 abandoned kittens about less than 3 weeks old and took them in a bottle feed them. The runt we found had grown some crust around eyes and were completely blind until we cleaned him up.\n\nWe took all 3 and raised them and got them treated to get neutured when they got older. My family didn't have a lot of money to keep cats and we already had 2 cats. So 5 cats was a lot and tried to find them homes.\n\nLuckily we found one a home and after some hard arguments my brother kept other 2 after falling in love with the brothers and didn't want to separate them since they were always together. He ended getting a job after finishing his school to take care of them. \n\nThing is now we found 2 more stray kittens but they were a bit older than the babies we found but kept then as outside cats. To feed them since they were a bit afraid of us until my dad started working out of garage during covid they started getting curious and first hanging out in there to eventually playing when he got a toy for them. Now we know them as Buddy and Baby.\n\n[Kittens raised](https://imgur.com/2c4D6oA.jpg)\n\n[Buddy & Baby](https://imgur.com/gbaxFB6.jpg)", "I love this channel. Either does a TNR, or if they can be socialized, rescues them and turns them into amazing pets.", "This guy did an amazing job. These babies lucked out.\n\nOne extra tip for people dealing with kittens/cat and probably animals in general is that they get nervous when you come in overhand.\n\nIf you give them a chance to see your hand at or below their eye level before touching/petting them they will be less likely to freak out. But when there is a giant hand coming at them from above their head they worry about if they can get away from it if they have to.", "Cats kill roughly 2.4 billion birds per year in the US alone. https://abcbirds.org/program/cats-indoors/cats-and-birds/", "And people like the guy in this video work to make them adopted into families that agree to keep them indoors. What else do you want from him?", "> agree to keep them indoors\n\nlol what a dumb statement. Indoor cats do/can go outside, you know that, right? \n\nAnd I don't want anything else from him. What don't you understand from my comment?", "Cats can on average jump 5-6 times their height. https://www.southernliving.com/culture/pets/how-high-can-cats-jump", "Other fun fact: Cats the Movie stole 75.5 million USD from people.", "Most cats aren't a loss cause, they just need a little time.\n\nOn our farm, we wouldn't buy a cat. Slowly over time one would just come by and we'd just feed it. They were either abandoned or feral. The cats would just domesticate themselves if you just give them time. We've have had a lot of good cats because of it, but just one at a time.", "That’s a good person", "Come on man, it’s a dude saving kittens, and it’s almost Christmas. Save your vitriol for the New Year.", "Every bright side has a dark side. Fuck outdoor cats and what they do to the millions of fledglings every year.", "Spicy kitten burritos!", "Fuck this guy, he's a miserable cunt rummaging through his history. He's 100 percent negative and judgmental to everyone.", "> So much garbage pretending to be educational on youtube.\n\nIt's going to get so much worse now that dislikes are hidden. Unfortunately, it's going to hurt some of the most vulnerable groups the worst. Such as pets.", "> straight-up culling that nobody wants to do\n\nI hate that idea as much as anyone and I think that might be the only option. They are an invasive species. If they can't be tamed....", "> Indoor cats do/can go outside,\n\nbut they shouldn't. because they kill too many birds.", "Cat Facts!", "Who the hell is cutting onions in my room", "Our shelter specialize in feral cats. Kitten are easier to socialise than older cats. For some we need leather gloves, blankets, heavy cardboards. I even had to defend myself with a folding chair once. But once they realize that we do love them and we care; it's a complete change and it's so worth it. [To trying to eat my face off to sleeping on my desk.](https://i.redd.it/n4dbx6oqpw571.jpg)", "We have 4 feral barn cats. One that was dropped off by his feral mother and three we adopted from a rescue. The adopted ones were a mother and two older kittens. They are the most obnoxious beggars for food but are still very resistant to petting even after a year of trying. They have no problem coming up to our back door to notify us that their bowl is empty. My teen son is making some progress with petting them but it’s been a very slow progress. \n\nMeanwhile my other son brought home a kitten around 8 weeks old that was trapped in a parking lot. He is happy to sit and purr in your lap all day. He is recovering from a respiratory infection but is doing much better and gaining weight. He is called “Shrimp Scampi” because he loves shrimp from the Chinese buffet that my partner gets. On his first night he marched right over and stole a piece from my partner’s plate.", "me sirve el video", "You should be miserable with a personality like that", "Wrong again!", "When it smells like shit everywhere you walk, check your shoes.", "did you just assume his fictional spiritual creature?!?!", "Agreed. Our local animal shelter has a barn cat program, for strays that seem averse to socialization. Over time, several have have warmed up to their farm family, some getting quite cuddly. Amazing how shelter, food, and non-threatening people can tame a feral cat.", "Check yours as well bud.", "While this is true, many places don't have the luxury of time and resources. I live in a place that is warm pretty much all year (looking at a Christmas that will be about 85 F/29.4 C this year) and kitten season is basically all of the time. For us, it's far more worth our time to TNR the adults and socialize what kittens are easy to socialize because we're already overwhelmed. When I trapped a pair of 8 week old kittens and age that is prime for socialozing, I was told right away that either I socialized and found homes for them myself, or they would need to be put through the TNR program and released back into the community. Thankfully I was able to socialize and adopt them out to a friend who was looking to adopt, but this is the reality for many places.", ">every bright side has a dark side\n\nOkay edge lord.", "Well without time you're not going to be able to do anything.", "My favorite cat YouTube", "Mine smell like what you think your farts smell like.", "Ask around at your local humane society/rescue. I've also found many litters myself and bottle fed/socialized/vaccinated/dewormed/deflead/adopted them out but it can be costly. A humane society can help you with these cost and make sure they go to good homes. It also depends where you live. I found fostering was much easier in the city, but you can go and get certified to TNR and catch kittens to help with the overwhelming demand for people that want to help :)", "I grew up on a farm too and all the feral cats we were able to domesticate and rehome were always the best cats. I thought it must be because they've seen how hard life can be and never forget how lucky they are to have a home. We would raise any cats we found abandoned by the mother. \nMy mom found a feral calico kitten by itself and basically gave it to me as a summer project in high school. Wish i would have had a video like this to help me out. Very feral, would hiss and spit as soon as it saw me. But all the little touches i could give it without getting bit were met with purring. I basically would just hold it and pet it while i watched TV in my mom's room with the door shut. Eventually, i would let him off my lap to roam but he wasn't allowed off the bed. Then, to keep him occupied, i would throw my mom's hair curlers for him to play fetch. He could grab them out of the air and bring them back. Slowly i let him start exploring the room. We just kept giving him more and more freedom until he figured out we weren't going to eat him. We named him Gerbil for his coloring and he continued to play fetch the rest of his days. \nI miss having those little baby kitties to raise, but my son and husband have cat allergies, so it's just not an option for me anymore... I still dream about raising kitties though.", "First half of username checks out", "Nice video and nice channel.", "I wonder if you couldn't designate a room or even part of the garage for kittens and foster them. You'd only need a room or a bit of space in the garage so they wouldn't be spreading their fur and dander all over the house, and you could keep a good air purifier around and the door closed.", "Her and She. Calicos are 99.9% female. Any calico or tortoiseshell male has a genetic abnormality like being XXY.", "Cats are just the best. Just feral or just domesticated. I just can't get enough, they are just the best.", "Yeah, doesn't work with cat hair. Unless you have a full suit (like for spraying chemicals), and wash your hands/face after leaving the room every time.\n\nCat hair is almost like dust, in that unless you have airflow and physical barriers, it'll just drift throughout the house. I pulled a jacket I had in a drawer, never removed it while living with cats. Still completely covered in hair, and that's not even getting into dander, which is even worse spreading.", "Also a free tip, vocal triggers during food helps. Saying \"Kitty babies!\" over and over then bringing them food helps teach them when you say it, they come running.\n\nThis is useful for many reasons. I have been fostering kittens for 2 years + including a mother that showed up preggers and had 5 kittens.\n\nAfter weening, several almost died. I nursed one that I thought was gonna die by spending hours hand feeding him rice, ground chicken and chicken broth. He was amazing. When I got covid and was really sick, he came to me and wouldnt leave my side.\n\nThey know. We got them all adopted though after I was covid free and out of the hospital. The team loves us as our kittens are the best in terms of how much friendly and acclimated to people they are.\n\nWe had one - dubbed John Wayne - was found at a gun range and he had to go to a special place for FIV positive kittens - there is a rescue place near Austin that takes them. (sometimes) most FIV positive are put down unfortunately.", "The last one I had, was a mother that was expecting kittens, and she chased my cats away and for months she was highly aggressive towards them even after birth and after 6 months FINALLY she started being friendly to my cats - 3 days before she was adopted :(\n\nBut she is in a good home now.", "Right, but she doesn't have to keep 100 percent of it from escaping. It just has to be little enough not to bother people with allergies. Whatever that may be. I don't think it has to be clean room status in the rest of the house, depending on how severe the allergies.", "I've just personally set stuff up like this, believe me, there's not much you can do. If the allergies are minimal, they're bearable (in that case, it's not too big of a deal anyway then), but if they're not, it's wise to simply give up.\n\nYou'd have to wash yourself off, and keep a change of clothes just to interact with the cat. There's no way of avoiding that, dander and cat hair is simply too difficult to completely remove easily.\n\nIt's seriously not that big of a deal, or hard to set up, quite minimal actually. Just have a window fan that points out (obviously during better weather) to provide negative pressure (20$ max). Get some plastic or towels to put under the door to keep dander/hair from flowing throughout the rest of the house, vents too. Again, that's just 5$ and five minutes of time.\n\nThen just use a change of clothes specifically for interacting with the cat, and wash your face/hands and such after interacting. Pretty much the same procedures you'd take interacting with someone who's heavily immunocompromised, same type of deal really.\n\nDone this for a couple people, it costs maybe 50$ total to set it up if you do everything, and works quite well. That being said, you can't 100% eliminate issues from allergies though, especially if they're serious. Same reason why labs with dangerous viruses/bacteria use the same methods; when interacting stuff that small (especially dander), you can't easily keep it from spreading, just how physics work unfortunately.", "I socialized an adult cat once and the process is so rewarding. It's great seeing them open up and their personailty come out.", "beautiful video, and super, super helpful. but also, F YOU FOR MAKING ME WANT ANOTHER CAT!!! my wife and i already have 2 dogs and i always grew up with cats and now i want another cat pal! i miss living with a kitty", "At 7:58 that brown one bopped the black and white one in the nose pretty good 😂", "I love how he calls them The Crew.", "I worked at a living history museum. We had a litter of barn cats the year I was there. We had to to the opposite and unsocialize them! They were getting too friendly and we needed them to work and not just spend time hanging around the tourists. Spent weeks having to ignore them and teach them to hunt again. Whoops. Thankfully they all figured it out.", "\"never tell me the odds!\" I can guarantee it was a boy. I can't guarantee it was true calico. Literally the only reason i second guess the calico is because he was male. He had all the right colorings of a calico.... Just the wrong genitalia.", "That's pretty crazy! Maybe kitty was XXY because there's no reliable explanation for a male cat to be calico or tortoiseshell.. also since male cats don't have large genitals, it can be hard to tell." ]	57	videos	How to socialize feral kittens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhXHXhVAZ0	/r/videos/comments/rlhlr3/i_am_optimus_prime/	[ "I love watching behind the scenes … they’re great actors and it is not easy to synch them up with the images", "[Peter Cullen explains how the voice of Optimus Prime was created](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zryfjSaxXLo).\n\n[He was also The Predator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpjhI-eRE6c).", "\"The brother always gets it\"\nRight? Why are you gonna do Jazz dirty like that." ]	3	videos	"I AM OPTIMUS PRIME"
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlhwv1/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rlhwv1/deleted_by_user/	[ "Who?", "The NoJumper channel in the hip hop community. Sorta like Vlad and Akademiks", "That was awful, listening to this sick fucks excuses one after the other is like nails on a chalkboard" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/eTSlXBqSXtM	/r/videos/comments/rlirgf/adolf_hitler_dancing_colorized_full_video/	[ "Fuck Hitler and all his current followers.", "So controversial, so brave.", "So stupid so cowardly." ]	3	videos	Adolf Hitler dancing (colorized) - Full Video
https://youtu.be/6EsDzjyy65I	/r/videos/comments/rlisyp/new_auralnauts_star_wars_parody/	[ "Part 7 in their parody retelling of the Star Wars universe.", "MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS ZIMAS", "S K I N", "hell yeah, love me some creepio", "Part 1-6 are probably my favorite videos on YouTube. I've been waiting a long time for this!", "I was hesitant to watch this when I opened it up and saw a 40 minute video, but Rey's reaction when Kylo starts rapping (no spoilers) was absolutely worth the watch. Also, [Frootcupz in the VIP](https://open.spotify.com/track/7LW264bCWlByT1Qmfk1KxI?si=3d539c2419554b0c) is legitimately a fantastic track.", "When Hux is giving his speech but hes asking where Kylo is and all the troopers just mess with him. \"He was banging Colonel Mustard with it!\" So funny.", "IT'S BABY TIME\n\nWOOP" ]	8	videos	New Auralnauts Star Wars Parody
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlixs0/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rlixs0/deleted_by_user/	[ "I am probably in the minority here, but I'm so tired of stupid reaction videos and people's stupid fake facial expressions.", "You are not the minority. Reaction videos are the laziest and lowest form of entertainment. They take other people's hard work and then fake uu's and ooo's over it. Sad thing is, YouTube loves promoting this shit and they get huge amount of views (sometimes).\n\nThere are useful \"reaction videos\" every now and then like musicians explaining what others in the video are doing but those are not as dominant.", "Thanks for the support! I hate all of the facial expressions that people never make irl...\n\nI barely use YT and just wish this crap would stay there and not propagate into Reddit.", "Sadly that's the easiest way to farm Karma. I stopped posting useful links on Reddit because of bots and idiots-alike. Even though link might help people more often than not some fucktard will copy and paste it to get few more upvotes." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTdTwkdxTMk	/r/videos/comments/rljde5/nakeyjakey_has_returned_from_a_year_long_hiatus/	[ "Jakey is definitely a better producer than he is a vocalist.", "This is the best video game youtuber trying to start a music career since James Rolfe started with Rex Viper", "OP sounds like a paid advertisement", "Funny considering Jakey did music before he even started YouTube.", "Or just a fan happy to see him back?", "Never seen a vid of his, doubt I will now", "Pretty boring song with a meaningless video. Seems like he watched a bunch of music videos and got a bunch of disconnected ideas and put it all together to make whatever this is.", "omfg im so excited. If you haven't, go to Spotify and listen to Jakey. Such a wonderful artist. I was so blown away when I first heard his music. \n\nAnd that preview at the end for his album. I really dig that kind of sound.", "I’m happy to see jakey back, in carpenter pants no less.", "Some people like his music. You don't. It's fine.", "I was blown away too. Every piece of me scattered all over the floors and walls. I'm dead right now using my last bit of metaphysical energy to write this message. My last words:\n\nThat song sucked pretty hard.", "He’s one of my all time favorites on youtube. I dig Saintlike and Medium but this… this is bad. I was thinking there might be something there before it dropped, but once it did halfway through I lost all hope instantly. Those drums make it all sound like early 2000s boy band dog water.", "no exercise ball no thank you", "I mean it's really not that complex, it's just about self-love and about losing the ability to love yourself. The lyrics are from the perspective of a disembodied self talking about how they are the ones who control how you feel. \n\n> I could be the one to make you quit\n\n> Late nights when you feel like shit\n\n> I could make you feel so damn alone \n\nI think the video is meant to be a little funny and offbeat. They have several romcom visual tropes kinda twisted around. Like the first meeting, the perfect proposal, that heavenly blanket in bed thing, the \"final slow-mo run the guy does to get her back\" trope is twisted to have him supposedly running away from a crime scene or himself. \n\nThe lyrics also allude to somewhat an inevitable suicide caused by himself, saying that not even changing area codes can help him escape. It's certainly not meaningless. The last two minutes are a preview of another song and announcement for his new album so you may have been confusing those.", "Lmao. Love the creative response, so refreshing than just some dumb hateful bs.", "Antares has entered the chat.", "Oh man, I like every single shot in that video, but the pacing is such a miss. There is no motivation behind any cut, and the running shots drag awkwardly. Jakey, love you man, keep experimenting, and maybe watch a few vids on editing.", "No, paid ad def.", "Debatable. His voice is very distinct and pretty sure its trained. The squeekyness on the high notes is what makes his tone human. Nobody sounds like michael \"autotune\" bublé in real life", "I'm no music video connoisseur but I just want my dude to be healthy and happy. Much love, Jakey.", "Ah yes, I was definitely paid by a video game youtuber who hasn't made content in a year.", "See? I told you.", "This take makes you look foolish.", "that is one hot boy", "What does this have to do with the pinebarrens. Which is actually a really cool place. There’s one place called the Pygmy pines where no trees grow higher than about 5 feet and you can see for miles and miles.", "Is it hard to not be a condescending dick? You could just... not comment? Or reconsider your phrasing?", "bad bait", "I don't like this at all.", "I love you Jakey", "Pine Barrens? He killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Guy’s an interior decorator.", "he's basically been completely shutdown for almost 2 years.... thought he was [trying to disappear.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bpIkedx-fQ&ab_channel=Jabroney)\n\nif he was my patient, I'd get him some therapy, a little medication, and a better support network then what he's got now.", "Dunno why there's so much hate for this? I really liked it", "I don’t get it, and the parts I get, I don’t like.", "Miss you Jakey.", "This is a video", "Honestly this is a very dull track, sorry Jakey", "Probably not really my type of music, but I've heard much worse. Glad the guys doing good.", "Not a fan of this one, but its good to see anything from Jakey.", "Probably because the dude made some absolutely amazing videos about different things and gave all that up to make 2bit random ass average songs, which makes it twice as insulting as your everyday shitty YouTube musician", "I mean there's nothing to say he's given that up. What if he's just taking a break? Doesn't really matter either way, if he wants to pursue music let him, he doesn't owe you more videos.", "did you hear the amount of autotune he is using in this song?", "Jakey? Yeah, theres probably some minor tuning involved", "... dude the whole thing is autotuned to hell and back. Unless NakeyJakey replaced his larynx with a casio keyboard", "I never said he owed anyone shit, I’m saying people dont like his music because he’s taken fans from one of his skills and subjected them to another one.\n\nIf you subscribe to someone you subscribe to see that content so when something completely different comes up that has nothing to do with why you subscribed you’re going to have more critics as they didn’t subscribe for that reason. You asked the question, I answered, I don’t give a shit what he does", "you are so fucking rude. i hope you get treated as disrespectfully as you treat others.", "leave it to reddit boomers to whine and bitch about autotune because they’re stuck in the 50s", ">subjected them to\n\nit’s a fucking free video uploaded to the internet and everyone voluntarily chose to subscribe to him. please touch grass, have sex and then learn some fucking basic decency, you greasy slug", "FYI I like the song but Jesus man, he’s not being rude he’s entitled to his opinion.", "Yeah I’m not taking opinions from Megacock Hemorrhoids and your lack of reading comprehension skills.", "sounds like a you problem", "Go drink bleach you degenerate cunt", "Who are you talking to? Because I just said he IS autotuned. Not that it was bad... Also I was born in the 80s", "take the lead, sad decrepit old fuck", "Have a terrible Christmas" ]	56	videos	NakeyJakey has returned from a year long hiatus with a video for his song Pine Barrens...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQpl_Ny0o0	/r/videos/comments/rljly6/trailer_synth/	[ "What is that cool looking car?", "Form their comment section it is [Scimitar GTE SE5A](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Scimitar).", "A very interesting music machine.\n\nMusical train driver[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\\_n\\_r3XgczvI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n_r3XgczvI)", "Look at the pipes on her...\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI love T. Synth." ]	4	videos	Trailer synth
https://youtu.be/5st8Wemu7Y4	/r/videos/comments/rllc2x/the_voice_actor_really_went_for_it/	[ "Oh no. He went full Walken. You never go full Walken.", "It's like... Surfer Walken.\n\nWait.\n\nChristopher Surfin.\n\nThere we go", "sounds like Jay Mohr doing Christopher Walken", "Who voices Pete White on Venture Brothers? I was ready for him to hit me with \"listen here, pally...\"", "It’s like Christopher Walken playing Vinnie Barbarino.", "It's like a bad impression of Bradley Cooper doing an okay impression of Christopher Walken caricaturing himself.", "American voice acting is so bad for the most part lmao there’s like a dozen great voice actors that’s why they’re always working and you always hear them in different shows", "I kind of love that this exists though, if he played it straight it would be a forgotten generic anime scene never worth revisiting.", "Chrisurfer Walken", " I can do a better impression of Walken", "I loved Digimon as a kid, it was always the first thing on TV when I got home from school.\n\nI watched the first series with Agumon and Patamon.\n\nThe second series with Veemon.\n\nI really enjoyed the third series with that red dragon and yellow fox (forgot their names despite it being the fav...)\n\nThen it stopped showing after school and became a Saturday morning show. I was confused why, I usually wanted to play games or something instead so I didn't watch it. One day I happened to find it and saw THIS with the kids TURNING INTO DIGIMON and I was like 'what hot garbage is this?' \n\nI got out at a good time.", "Guilmon and Renamon.\n\nI do a pretty good Guilmon impression (English dub).", ">Watch it, Bub.\n\nThings no one ever says in real life, but we all understand because they exist in cartoons.", "Tamers (Season 3) was the best series by far.", "I thought the ol' GI Joe parody guys were at it again for a second.", "I gotta fever, an the only perscripSHUN...is more DAta!\n\nI gotta have more data baby!" ]	17	videos	The voice actor really went for it
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rllmd2/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rllmd2/deleted_by_user/	[ "Coming 2032.", "So stoked for this launch, wont be able to sleep Thursday night!", "Fourteenth time lucky.", "[\"NASA's\"](https://i.imgur.com/EIfHAIv.png)", "Cool - looking forward to the first images. Good luck to the mission!", "+25% Science Rate in the city that it’s built.\n\nFree ‘observatory’ for all cities.", "friday 7:20am EST", "This comment didn’t even make it three hours." ]	8	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hhP2OFLq8	/r/videos/comments/rllyfj/nailing_1000_nails_with_hydraulic_press/	[ "Nailed it!!", "\"WELLghum tooo tha hoooodrollic...PRESS...channUL!\"", "Come on, an 8min video for this? \nSkip to 4:37 If you want to see the \"action\".", "[ Jump to 04:37 @ Nailing 1000 Nails with Hydraulic Press](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hhP2OFLq8&t=0h4m37s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Hydraulic Press Channel, Video Length: [08:01])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@04:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hhP2OFLq8&t=0h4m32s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "That feeling when you insert your processor and all the pins glide right in.", "I should try using a hydraulic press next time to make sure it REALLY gets in there.", "I spend too much time on reddit. I was genuinely surprised to see this channels is:\n\na) Still going\nb) Still getting hundreds of thousands of views a video\nc) Still topping 3m subscribers\n\nIt went from being on reddit every fucking day to almost never showing up on my front page. I forget sometimes that there's social media other than reddit.", "As long as the person that made this enjoyed themselves, we dont have to.", "That was a roller coaster of emotions and questions I was not expecting to ask myself this day.", "do 1000 processors at once", "I love the \"ooooh\" when they go in. Like, what exactly did you expect to happen?! And yet, I got that feeling too ><", "Where's the dangerous creature that needs dealing with?\n\nGutted that segment seems to be missing, used to be my favourite part of their shtick!", "I feel jipped.", "Vat de fuk?", "The things aliens find about our culture in 1000 years that will absolutely confound them.", "Just a fyi, jipped is actually spelled [gypped](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/30/242429836/why-being-gypped-hurts-the-roma-more-than-it-hurts-you) but should be avoided as it is a racist term towards the Romani people.\n\nTry\n>I feel ripped off. \n\nOr \n>I feel like I just got robbed. \n\nInstead." ]	16	videos	Nailing 1000 Nails with Hydraulic Press
https://youtu.be/lzNHuPef_Ro?start=1480&end=3307	/r/videos/comments/rlm4ka/fauci_on_covid19_conspiracies_impact_on_public/	[ "Are people actually going to forget about that? He and his co-conspirators killed millions. Bastard even financed puppy torture!", "They’re all trusting the guy who told them AIDS was airborne in the 80’s.\n\nThe most dangerous un-elected bureaucrat ever.", "He's a murderous 🤡", "How so?", "Did you watch the video?", "It's a update on the current status of the covid virus simplified down for non educated viewers.", "Gain of function! Figure it out 💩", "Prosecuted for what?", "For creating a virus in a Chinese lab and releasing it on the global population then lying about it.", "Call it a conspiracy theory all you want. He lied under oath in congressional hearings stating “there was no gain of function research regarding COVID” meanwhile he has emails in his computer with the tag “gain of function” in the title. \nIf nothing else he’s lied under oath. Why should we trust him?", "Hey i dony remember palpatine saying that", "Seems like the stochastic terrorists are here trying to discredit one of the world’s leading experts. \n\nNothing but a bunch of worthless trolls that parrot whatever their rich masters say.", "Idk what that means. Do you have any links to explain?", "https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/faucis-agency-admits-it-funded-gain-of-function-work-in-wuhan-what-else-are-they-keeping-from-us/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons", "nypost is a rag do you have sources for more reliable coverage?", "Do your own homework and stop taking everything CNN says at face value", "Lol I don't believe CNN in the least, they are imperialist media." ]	20	videos	Fauci on Covid-19 conspiracies' impact on public health.
https://youtu.be/6QsciMB56qk	/r/videos/comments/rlm5gf/why_black_people_love_dave_grohl/	[ "Dave just seems like the most down to earth dude ever.", "National treasure, and I loved the Keanu joke, but now someone MUST put the two of them together!", "Would be a great flex if Keanu recorded a Bee Gees cover", "Great role model for all of us, especially those of us who plan on growing up to be rock stars. I’m 53 and confident it’ll happen.", "Has anyone ever told you \"you rock\"?", "Does anyone not like Dave?", "He does get a ton of positive PR, but he and the Foo Fighters have never really gone on record to recant their support for a group of HIV deniers. \n[sources](https://www.google.com/search?q=dave+grohl+hiv+denial&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS885US885&oq=dave+grohl+hiv+denial&aqs=chrome..69i57.12768j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)" ]	7	videos	Why black people love Dave Grohl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmIEQb9QhM	/r/videos/comments/rlm7um/how_is_leon_the_lobster/	[ "just a couple of guys wrestling. no big deal. im looking forward to the new tank", "I was recommended the first Leon video on youtube yesterday and now find this here, Big Lobster is up to something!", "I know how this ends. I have seen The Simpsons.", "Pinchy :(", "nice to see an update. truly a horrific creature", "I am ok with this being the new plexiglass hot dog update series", "Thanks for the update.", "It's horrific what people do to lobsters", "yeah crazy we're eating a monstrous deep sea arthropod", "And paying $$$ for it.", "Pinchy would have wanted it this way!", "Same thing here!", "but they do be tasty", "I'm not the only one wondering if Leon tastes better now that he's well fed, right?", "South Carolina isn't exactly North American Cold Water Lobster territory. His argument was a larger fish would probably eat it if it were left to drift down to the bottom on it's own. There isn't the same rocky structure there compared to the New England coast", "Same here! I wonder if the uptick in views for that one prompted him to do an update", "That's actually a good point. It's all sand and mud there.", "True, but that answer would just have more keyboard warriors going after him in the comments. Honestly, lobster was rescued out of a grocery store tank, it's an infinitely better living situation", "I’ll eat lobster because I like the taste but cracking it open myself gives me the creeps!", "Came for the lobster, stayed for the sweet guitar licks.", "Casual misogyny free", "> The lobster is better off taking it's chances in the warm water possibly getting killed than staying in that tank.\n\nWhat? \"Better off\" how, exactly? It gets to live in comfortable temperatures, clean water, without fear of predators, readily available food in abundance, a big weird ape that provides regular enrichment, and will soon get a bigger space all to itself with more things to do. It may as well be in lobster-heaven.\n\nI don't expect a crustacean, even a fairly advanced, long-lived one to have the capacity to philosophize about the nature of its existence to the extent of regretting living a life of luxury in safe, comfortable captivity instead of fighting for survival in the wild of nature.", "Ur like those people that kidnap dogs just to kill them cause they are \"better off dead than a humans slave\" Fucking weirdo.", "I find Leon equal parts cute and horrifying", "Sometimes I wonder if it's the lobster that tastes good or the garlic and butter I dip it in?", "Yes", "By the metrics of lobster living? Yeah. \n\nActually, as much as we humans like to go on about personal freedom and natural living and the value of having to earn your survival, make your own way, I think 99+% of us would choose a cushy, comfortable, fairly roomy jail cell with good food and adequate entertainment over anything like our natural lifestyle. Actually, I think most of us would choose it even over the lifestyles we lived around a century or two ago. I mean add in a sexual partner and you're fulfilling all the basic instincts of life. Like, lobster-heaven is pretty close to the modern dream lifestyle.", "same, lol", "\\>Gets pet lobster\n\n\\>doesn't name him Mr Pinchy\n\njust...", "Me too!", "or perhaps Mr. Snippers. \n\nBut Leon? You didn't even try!", "One of the best written short stories was \"Consider the lobster\" from David Foster Wallace. Worth a read, or listen: \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkXDJYe3-i8", "Another me too here!", "You should see what we do to cows, pigs, and chickens.", "Same", "I never knew Rand Paul had a pet lobster", "One of my best friends growing up was from Kazakhstan. His dad told me that back home they would punch the few pigs they were raising at any given time regularly (at least twice a week) to tenderize the meat.", "I came here to ask the same question. The of dexterity in his non rubber banded claws makes me wonder how malnourished and sickly the lobsters are by the time they make it to the supermarket.\n\nId love to compare flavor.", "Fuckin exactly the same. Didn't watch it of course but God damn that algorithm is crazy.", "Boil them alive, rip their limbs off, and eat their insides with butter. Brutal!", "Same!", "I was recommended the first video the other day, and watched the second one today.", "What the fuck", "I would say probably not, but not because of the amount of food.\n\nI've had some involvement with both barramundi farms and prawn farms, and both are fed on processed food, and you can taste a massive difference between them and wild-caught (with wild being so much better).\n\nHaving said that, Leon is still getting at least some of schlis natural food, so it would probably be somewhere between farmed and wild.", "probably taste like shit unless he purged him first.", "I’m excited to see his new tank", "Someone should buy a mussel that Leon would otherwise eat, document its' life.", "Ok, but how is Manny the Muscle doing?", "simpsons got nothin on Brady Brandwood's sweet lobster jams tho", "Nah man, he's spiking engagement metrics, probably in cahoots with those [mobster lobsters](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17OpZsQVbVw).", "Sadly this just ruins the meat", "To shreds you say?....", "Mussels don't live very exciting lives. They just attach to a rock and filter water.", "The local lobsters would probably kill him. They are very territorial.", "Lobsters fight more or less to the death when they meet each other.", "The music really sets the mood", "Oh so that's the name in English, interesting. \n\nIn French they just called it \"Homard\", which just means \"lobster\", and of course it also sounds like \"Homer\", so it's a convenient pun. I've always wondered what the original name was.", "There are dozens of us!!", "Funny thing is they used to be considered as vermin for fisherman. If it wasn't for the poor coming up with delicious recipes, they wouldn't have become mainstream \"luxury\" seafood.", "Same same", "He paid for promotion, or at least I assume. I’m down, because I think this content is interesting. I’ve actually tried to search how lobster from the supermarket comes packaged without much luck. I found it interesting they came in the same box my kitten came in.\n\nI don’t think it was worth it for however much the creator was paid, but I’m glad I saw it.", "Having a pet that could easily outlive you, given the proper care, stresses me out. Leon will need the support of a local institution if his/her videos catch on.", "Dude said in the video he was planning on getting a larger tank. This one was just to make sure the lobster would live more than a few days.", "Same.\n\nNice.", "My pig found itself smart enough to hop over the barrier from his pen to the next pen and eat all of that pigs food, \nand go to the next one and eat all of that pigs food, \nand the next one and eat all of that pigs food \nand make his way back in time when it was my time to feed him he had already eaten 3 meals \nand was sitting there waiting for me and I would feed him and he would eat that \nand that’s why he gained so much weight and got sifted at the fat stock show", "You would think it would have gotten too fat to jump at one point.", "I want to see him get a bubble bath", "Then I'd be useful", "They taste extra good after they have been nursed back to 100% health and think they are in a safe environment.", "He's RIP-ed", "The secret is the betrayal. It really flavors the dish.", "nice video", "Made me change the entire way I thought about eating animals. My stance ever since has been \"I know it's deeply immoral, no I'm not about to stop.\" I was eventually talked into giving up fish and shrimp though. Fuck the shrimp industry is awful", "You're absolutely right, the fact that people can't see that the tank is fucking tiny for that animal. It has no depth compared to the length of the animal. Not only would need a much bigger tank, its got fucking nothing to do in there. He drops a couple of shells in there every now and then, the rest of the time its got nothing. I know the guy said he's moving it to a bigger tank at some point but its been three months. \n\nI know the guy means well but I think that would be a miserable existence.", "Yeah I'm happy for Leon, he's a good boi", "Kazakhstan greatest country in the world.", "The sound enlightened.", "> I know it's deeply immoral, no I'm not about to stop\n\nI know this is sort of where Wallace sits at the end, but... why not stop? It's a trilemma, right - either (a) you know it's wrong but have some more compelling moral reason not to stop, (b) you know it's wrong and just don't care, or (c) you don't really believe it's wrong and the first part is just lip service.\n\n(a) is pretty hard to justify (maybe your life depends on eating meat? maybe you're only eating animals that would have become serial killers?)\n\nIf you choose (b), why? Do you have a blanket indifference to wrongness? If not, what makes this different?\n\nI think many (most?) people only choose to do the right thing when it's easy or fits with their self interest. So, I buy (b).\n\nBut when I used to teach this essay, I found that most of my students secretly fell into category (c). They get a sense of pressure to say there's something wrong, and can't articulate any reasons why not, so they just say the words to move on with their lives and get a B in the class or whatever.", "This made me curious, so I googled and YouTube apparently pays $2,000 to $4,000 per million views. The first Leon video has almost 9 million views and the new one over 2 million so far, so at least $22,000 (and probably more). Even if the creator did pay hundreds or even thousands to spread the videos, they're going to be getting a great return on that investment.\n\n\nI'm looking forward to seeing Leon's new tank video. Should be a pretty sweet setup with all that YouTube money.", "This is the best series on internet", "Pound me too", "Apparently the lowest quality lobster is actually the highest priced. The ones with softer shells have the best flavour, but they don't transport well, so command a lower price and are eaten locally. \n\nI've eaten lobster in PEI and from restaurants in Ontario and I definitely think there is a difference.", "Coincidentally, produce is like this also. Produce picked locally is already ripe and has a shelf life of days or even just hours. You can get a pint of locally grown blueberries for $1 and they'll taste amazing. That $5 pint at the supermarket grown in Chile is going to taste bland and/or sour. Sure, they'll last a week in your fridge, too. But, they were picked well before ripening and will never actually truly ripen as that can only be done on the bush. Sure, they'll get darker but that change is largely cosmetic.", "Absolutely. When I go to the cottage there is this strawberry farm and they are many times better than the ones from the grocery store. The berries are small, but very sweet and flavourful.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddyretard/comments/fe8r8l/crab_fatory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf" ]	95	videos	How is Leon (the Lobster)?
https://youtu.be/25JpG00s5T0	/r/videos/comments/rlm91r/the_2000s_time_to_pretend_a_pop_culture_tribute/	[ "On behalf of people around the world, thanks America!", "Wait, were the 2000s awesome?", "Yes. Everything is always awesome when you look back on it. So enjoy now because despite a lot of crap going on there's no reason not to be having fun when you can. \n\nJames Webb is going up in a few days. The 2020s are awesome too.", "What a shitty decade.", "The thing is though, we know what the classics of the era are now. And we're no longer subjected to 100 plays a day of the top 40 hits that aren't considered classics now", "Thinking back, besides the wars and your usual global suffering....they weren't too shabby.", "9/11, dot com bubble, iraq war over false pretense, housing crisis. but the a lot of the pop culture stuff in the vid were pretty cool, and are still cool" ]	7	videos	The 2000s: Time To Pretend - A Pop Culture Tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgF3OX8nT0w	/r/videos/comments/rlm9pp/the_most_powerful_computers_youve_never_heard_of/	[ "I used an abacus to stream this. It took a long time.", "Analog computing can do specialized nonlinear modeling instantly, while digital numerics would crunch through lots of iterations to converge (or never even supply the necessary precision).", "I've heard of them.\n\nYet again clickbait shite from this fucking channel.", "Incredible bullshit, I'm ashamed I'm subscribed to this channel. What the fuck is this?!", "Would you mind explaining what you didn't like about it?", "If you would even consider mechanical calculators to be computers, that's one thing. But even the actual word 'computer' comes from a job that mostly women had, and they were a thousand times more effective than this fucking bullshit, and he doesn't mention them at all.\n\nThe women (and I guess some men? I'm not sure) who were the original computers are some of the most forgotten and unheard of ACTUAL computers, like - literally, that was their job description, that's where the word computer comes from. Those are the ones who deserve praise in my opinion, but whatever.", "So your issue with the video is that he didn't mention something that isn't the topic of the video? Women who worked as human computers were absolutely an important part of computing history, but that's a topic for another video. This one is about analog computers and the importance those played in the past and potentially the future.", "Alright so the title is complete clickbait then, that channel is turning into complete bollox.", "This video lightly covers many different analog computers and their function and brief history. For anyone wanting to learn more about analog computers I recommend:\n\n[Navy instructional film on analog targeting computers from 1953.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwf5mAlI7Ug) It covers the basics of how analog computers work and how calculations are done. How the outputs from multiple systems can be combined together to create the final output.\n\n[The Engineer Guy explaining how a Harmonic Analyzer from the late 1800s for doing fourier transforms works.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAsM30MAHLg) As covered in the video, breaking down a wave into its component sine waves has been a tedious, but very useful, task that was solved by using an analog computer.", "So, to be clear, you seriously saw that title and assumed the video was about some women in the 40s?", "Everything ok at home, bub?" ]	11	videos	The Most Powerful Computers You've Never Heard Of
https://youtu.be/zk872ERRVxA	/r/videos/comments/rlmfoc/how_a_ny_times_reporter_ripped_off_hundreds_of/	[ "This Ian Urbina dude pulled off a quite elaborate scam. \n\nWhat a POS.", "It's weird that so many people fell for this when it's basically a Nigerian email scam that's just written by a native speaker.", "I read Outlaw Ocean and thought it was great, this is so disappointing.", "Interesting, he's apoligized. \n\nANd\n\nUrbina is now giving all Outlaw Oceans artists the option to withdraw from the project and retain sole ownership of the music they created for it. From his apology: \"\\[I\\]f musicians now feel (or previously felt) like the project got too large or didn’t perform well for them, the ethical way forward, seems to me, is clear: we hand you back your music and you’re free to publish elsewhere on your own.\"\n\nMy take...they retain ownership of the music, but he keeps all the money made up to this point. \n\nArticle here: https://www.thefader.com/2021/12/09/ian-urbina-accused-of-deceitful-practices-on-outlaw-ocean-project", "Damanges! @ 4:45", "[ Jump to 04:45 @ How A NYTimes Reporter Collects Royalties From Hundreds of Musicians](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk872ERRVxA&t=0h4m45s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Benn Jordan, Video Length: [20:03])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@04:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk872ERRVxA&t=0h4m40s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "> \n> \n> \n> \n> My take...they retain ownership of the music, but he keeps all the money made up to this point. \n\nThat deal likely includes an NDA and a release of liability.", "This would make for a solid movie plot.", "No doubt...", "So many felonies going unpunished.", "No felonies, just unfair practices. They had a signed contract to do what they did.", "His \"explanations\" come off as sleazy and dishonest too. He claims he used his New York Times email in correspondence, even though he left the company a year earlier, just out of habit - and by no means intended to suggest that the NY Times was affiliated with the project. He's a award winning investigative reporter! There is no way he's this näive!\n\nHere's an even more recent article in the NY Magazine. He comes across as a horribly dishonest person: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/ian-urbina-on-the-outlaw-ocean-music-project-scandal.html", "what a piece of shit. total non apology. just a PR apology, he's still gonna keep all of the profits.", "Added himself as writer to finished products. Misrepresented investment and marketing. Claimed copyright ownership of performances by others, without contracts. Misrepresented number of parties and big name parties never involved. Misrepresented ownership of production company, withheld absolute majority of profits, expensed self to tune of most of all profits. Claimed nonprofit without ever organizing a nonprofit, no transparency.", "Musicians signed bad contracts. That never happens.", "Man I actually follow some of the artist that he had supposedly collabed with, now I know why their music was removed and not available. Ian Urbina is a pos", "After listening to this I was surprised I was on r/videos rather than something like r/LateStageCapitalism. The value produced by workers is exploited by people that do no work everywhere. That's always been true as sustaining the maximum amount of exploitation of value from labor has always been the goal in economic regulation and capitalism is no exception. Variables have merely changed in how best to achieve that goal.\n\nTowards more of a generalized perspective, I think one of the more meaningful variables that has changed is the consequences of the industrial revolution. Although slavery was challenged from a moral standpoint by many, people were largely hypocrites to their own values due to the economic usefulness of slavery. The worldwide shift away from the practice was driven largely by the consequences automation had on economics coupled with confronting this hypocrisy in values towards freedom and democracy. Still, the general goal has always remained the same for those that do no work, to exploit labor as much as possible for their personal benefit which this video demonstrates. This video shows how that can be done via manipulative contractual agreements but the primary nature of economic growth for centuries has been through greater feats in automation. Under capitalism this promotes a similar means of disenfranchisement on labor. That being that although productivity increases via greater feats in automation this disenfranchises labor as it has minimal ownership on what it has produced. Labor creates the machines resulting in new economic heights but the indefinite perpetual value created by the machines is forever controlled by the capitalists.\n\nI find this all confusing as the world seems to continue its contradiction towards a rational form of democracy via economic hypocrisy. Centuries ago the world destroyed itself as it adapted from feudalism to capitalism in a political shift to foster greater power in democracy rather than aristocracy. Yet today we know this economic trajectory is largely recreating if it hasn't already similar political ramifications its intentions were to avoid.", "Read your contract kids. if you don't understand it, pay a lawyer to review it.", "Nothing like the good old capitalist pig story for American consumption. I'd go on the first day.", "Sounds like both parties screwed up royally, then blamed each other for the issues. Look here for the counter-argument: [https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/fact-checking-the-ian-urbina-music](https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/fact-checking-the-ian-urbina-music)\n\nI love how Benn says, \"well I was so humbled by being hand picked that I didn't do my due diligence\", then carries right on describing how awful it was he got scammed. This is like the woman highlighted on CBC News that is SHOCKED when she clicked the Facebook ad and gave the nice man many thousands of dollars, that she didn't see a return: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/facebook-scam-cryptocurrency-online-rcmp-fraud-meta-1.6284552](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/facebook-scam-cryptocurrency-online-rcmp-fraud-meta-1.6284552)\n\nedit: cbc link", "Sounds like a large enough victim pool for a class action to be worthwhile...", "Just because you acted naively doesn't mean you didn't get scammed. Scammers rarely make money when people double check. Don't make excuses for the guy, just cause someone else could have done more doesn't mean he didn't defraud them.", "I'm not sure if anything he did was illegal (not a lawyer), but Wikipedia says NYT is investigating the matter. I hope they do so in a transparent and unbiased way and make a formal and public statement disavowing his clearly unethical behaviour.", "How the fuck did he still have access to the email account after no longer being employed by them? They're equally guilty by negligence", "q pro", "ok", "This video sounds like Urbina had to have committed some criminal acts, especially claiming a non-profit without having a 501(c)(3), but I'm no lawyer, so many it was all just sleazy contract writing that somehow violated no laws.\n\nGross though.", "Take yourself back to your marxist subreddits, no need for some fallcious historigraphy of the free market. This was fraud plain and simple, artists and the NYT signed a contract and the journo did not keep to the contract and short changed the participants. Ends were not met and the contract became void. It really is not much deeper than that and certainly does not warrent your cringy tirade about how all labour in the world is somewhow exploitation when profit is involved.\n\nThe world has rejected socialism for a reason. Criticise the current system all you want, I certainly have qualms, but your ideology is not the answer.", "My favorite part is where it turned out the production company was just Ian's own house lmfao", "Outlaw Ocean was a wild ride. I loved it a lot.", "Sounds like the murder victim in a very tricky homicide.", "I've had it up to... Here.", ">The world has rejected socialism for a reason. Criticise the current system all you want, I certainly have qualms, but your ideology is not the answer.\n\nI didn't advocate an alternative ideology or a single policy to differentiate things here. I merely brought up instances of hypocrisy regarding political goals and economic consequences we've experienced. The experience these musicians have had coincides with a common experience felt by many people regarding exploitation. Please be accurate if you want to speak to me without being bad faith.\n\n>This was fraud plain and simple, artists and the NYT signed a contract and the journo did not keep to the contract and short changed the participants. Ends were not met and the contract became void.\n\nIs this accurate? Fraud is a crime. I haven't investigated this further but are you telling me Ian has been found guilty of legal consequences? I only read elsewhere in this thread that he has given the option for musicians to withdraw from the contract.", "The sad part is he could have done this project without screwing anyone over or wreaking his reputation. This could have been a good deal if he ever intended it to be a good deal.", "You can be pedantic and academic about our language here if you want to, what you imply is different from what you posit. I read into you because I have a clue on what interpretation and worldview you come from. I'm not interested in having a he said she said it's pointless.\n\nAnd we arn't in a courtroom mate, you're talking to internet strangers. I don't have to preface every claim with 'alleged fraud'.\nSo stop jerking yourself off and scurry back to your collectivist circles.", "On par for the NYT.", ">Interesting, he's apoligized.\n\nHe apologized, but not before he he said it was \"mass trolling\" from the scammed artists. Then two days later was when he backpedaled and apologized. \n\nWhat a POS.", "All I can conclude from this conversation is you have a prejudice so strong that it overcomes your ability to have a honest conversation with a stranger. It's not that this is a courtroom, most of what you said was simply inaccurate assumptions. The most important part I asked a question towards as I thought you had more information on whether this was fraud and that he was forced to void the contracts. Still, if I were to be critical with what you said most of it was inaccurate towards what I said and myself. An example I ignored was that profit in of itself is exploitative. Nowhere did I earlier discuss that idea. I could share my thoughts on that in more detail here but you've already demonstrated you're not a person I can trust to accurately understand the details of what I say.", "To be fair, his official NYT email address probably had a big role in this. Plus, this \"scam\" is how most of the music industry works nowadays, sadly." ]	39	videos	How a NY Times reporter ripped off hundreds of musicians.
https://youtu.be/69uT90tEJdE	/r/videos/comments/rln1io/humanity_will_see_further_than_we_ever_have_with/	[ "So hyped for this launch!", "If it ever gets off the ground :)\n\nEDIT: Why the downvotes? Do you all know how many times this launch has been delayed? It was delayed AGAIN today, FFS.\n\n[https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-weather-delay-christmas-launch](https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-weather-delay-christmas-launch)", "I can't imagine the stress the ariane 5 team is probably experiencing now.\n\n>$10 billion over 25 years in the making resting on their ability to make everything right.\n\nI am going to have all my fingers and limbs and everything I can, crossed.", "Imagine working on this thing for a decade and spending billions of dollars on something that might go down in history books forever like the Deep Field image with the Hubble.\n\nJust waiting for the thing to launch let alone the 15,872 things that could go wrong would be anxiety on a whole other level. Especially in a social media age.", "I am getting [Kerbal Space Program 2](https://youtu.be/P_nj6wW6Gsc) vibes from this", "Don't forget having a disgruntled US congress on their backs those 25 years too", "sweet, whens the release date ?", "Did this video make anyone else super emotional? So surreal having followed this for over two decades.", "what if we truly are alone? What if, in all the observable universe, the chances of life - any kind - developing are just sooooooo rare that it only happened once?", "Jokes on me, I've always been alone", "This telescope has been hyped up so much. I hope it doesn't disappoint.", "7:00 am, right?", "Don't get too excited, it will be years before we get any interesting data.", "I didn’t even realize it’s happening! It kept getting delayed and delayed I just stopped keeping track.", "I have a friend involved in this launch and it has been a fiasco.", "Yeah I think 720am est with like a 30 min window to launch. If they miss that window for some reason, they would have to schedule it for another day.\n\nEdit: the launch is now Dec. 25th at 720am est", "I thought it was delayed again due to weather. Dec 25 now, right?", "That's ok there's 100 billion people plus the animals to keep us company", "As a kid who grew up with shuttle, watched the hubble launch... then the hubble repair mssion,had my mind blown by every new hubble pic through my youth, celebrated my first year of being a NASA intern and my birthday by watching the hubble IMAX with all my friends and family, and now having worked at NASA for almost 12 years.... I am SOOO EXCITED for this launch! Takes me back to my childhood joy, and has me exhilarated for the future of astronomy!!!", "It'll be the telescope of the next several decade or two! That is just the mission too, to say nothing of the insaine amount of data and research it'll produce! Sort of amazing if you think about it like that.", "You're right! I just read that now. A Christmas day launch just feels right lol", "I am sorry but that math alone just doesn't allow me to believe that. There are too many trillions of possibly habitable planets in the trillions of galaxies we can see - to say nothing of the vast number more we can't - for life to only happen 1 time.\n\nI think if you randomly ran all possible combination of numbers and letters around as many planets we know of - you would start to see some replication - just due to the fact there is only so many combinations of anything before you repeat.", "And I watched Challenger's launch live in our dorm's common room. I stopped in to watch it go up, neat and all I had hoped to see. \n\nNOT what happened.\n\nI pray this is the neat outcome.", "A safe launch and transit to L2 will be a great gift for the 25th for sure.", "The 25th is the opening premier but I think it's like 6 months from the opening that we get to see the final episodes/start of next season.", "no spoilers ok", "People naive thinking that this will launch before 2022.\n\nThey will postpone the shit out of it until Jan/Feb 2022.\n\nYou read it here first!", "This thing could make people look stupid if successful. It's gonna be great. We are gonna be able to look at shit and think, \"Fuck if I know\". It'll be like if you saw the offspring of a gerbil octopus hybrid, but never saw the mating process. We are gonna see some gerbils fucking octopuses.", "It would be the most mathematically improbable outcome ever. Space is essentially infinite. We are here which proves given the right circumstances life will find a way. Our circumstances are not unique in the universe. \n\nThere is also the possibility of life in different forms formed from entity different circumstances.", "I think the more realistic possibility is the universe is so big and so vast that no life forms will ever meet. It's entirely possible that's it's impossible to traverse the distances needed.", "That image absolutely blows my mind every time. It’s a tiny patch of space that is optically pitch black except a few Milky Way stars. So let’s point a telescope at it for 11 days and see what it sees. And we get thousands and thousands of galaxies. I mean it’s absolutely boggling.", "I have been mentally preparing myself for catastrophic failure", "Farther", "I can't remember the book I read when I was younger, but one of the themes was that a future Earth was finally contacted by another intelligent civilization with a simple message of \"Quiet, they are listening\". I always found that profound because if there are truly advanced civilizations out there one must ponder that they made it that far by not being nice", "My biggest fear is Congress just trying to kill it like the USPS", "Climate crisis solved", "Dr. Evil: \"100 billion people!\" \n\n\nRoom: \\laughs\\ \"Dr. Evil, this is 2021! That number of people doesn't even exist! That's like saying I want a kajillion bajillion people!\" \\more laughter\\", "The observable universe is not infinite though. I have thought about how we could calculate the probability of life, i.e. simple reproducing proteins or something. Without that, all we have is a dataset with one value which is not enough to infer frequency from.", "Also, interesting to note that life has been around for about 1/4 the age of the universe and about 3/4 the age of our planet. If I didn't know this fact, I would have assumed that the universe is ridiculously old and life has only been around for a spec of time.\n\nI find this analysis more interesting than the often repeated fact that if the universe's time were a clock, humans would have only been around for one second etc.", "I think time is the only factor that really matters here. Human time scales/comprehension gets in the way of our imagination. \n\nAs long as the probability of advancing civilizations wiping themselves out through war, climate change etc. is not 100% then it’s only a matter of time before two life forms meets up I think. It might’ve already happened somewhere.\n\nOfcourse, meeting a new lifeform could in itself be a path to the destruction of one if not both parties.", "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read something about Webb only having a 5-10 year lifespan because it only has a limited amount of fuel and after it runs out its orbit will begin to decay. Is there a chance it may be able to last longer?", "I believe the minimum operational parameters are 5.5 years but a reasonable expectancy for nominal operations could be 10+ years. Plus, we have a pretty good track record of finding creative ways to extend the mission. For example, when Kepler's second reaction wheel failed, leaving only 2 axis stabilization, we positioned the craft to use the solar wind as the 3rd axis. Or how pretty much all our rovers on Mars have blown past their expected parameters by doing things like parking behind rocks to better channel the thin martian wind to blow across the solar panels and remove dust for extended charging. I'm not on JWST, but I do know that we tend to be really conservative in our estimations when it comes to mission longevity.", "Yeah it's because they're built with a 99% chance to succeed in their missions (talking build quality and battery life and stuff) so basically after 10 years that could be 98% and slowly tick down until it does fail. The mission length is typically just a minimum and the rovers are a great example of this.\n\nThat being said with JW telescope, it can't refuel and it's orbit required fuel in order so it'll be a lot harder for them too \"Jerry rig\" their way out of it. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going off memory here lol)", "Yeah the guy specifically said observable universe. We aren't talking infinites here but rather that maybe it's so rare it's impossible for us too ever encounter another species", "JWST will be just fine. Ariane 5 ECA is the most reliable European rocket. 76 successful starts out of 78 since 2002.\n\nOut of the \"failures\": The first one was already the first ECA flight in 2002, which had to be blown up because of engine malfunction in the 1st stage.\nThe second one (VA241, 2018) was even a partial success, managed to bring the satellites to orbit, but not the intended one, so satellites had to use some of their own fuel to correct for that.", "I remember that actually, they used a memorable term for the unintended orbit which I have since forgotten.", "The fact that it's a trailer for real life, gives me goosebumps.", "inclination transfer orbit?\n\ndefective orbit?", "What?", "Remindme! 3 days", "I am genuinely excited for this. I still have a large folder of hires images that Hubble made years ago. I still like to magnify them on screen and just zone out in them. Sometimes I wish I could command them where to zoom in.", "... If it doesnt explode on its way up there.", "> we tend to be really conservative in our estimations\n\nUnder-promise / over-deliver is a smart and necessary tactic for exploration of any nature.", "Me too. My neighbor is in French Guiana right now helping with it. He will likely be missing his daughter’s first Christmas because of the delays, but everybody on that team is so dedicated.", ">People naive thinking that this will launch 2022. \n> \n>They will postpone the shit out of it until Jan/Feb 2022.\n\n\n🤔", "How on earth can it take 25 years to put something like this into orbit??? Surely a private company like spaceX could deliver in 1/5th of the time..", "i forgot the word \"before\". For idiot people this was not obvious.", "Fingers & toes crossed.", "Yeah, seems nerve wrecking. But once it is in space it also has to unfold. Which is also super complicated. And in contrast to the hubble telescope it's impossible to service it because it will be deployed so far away.", "Exactly!!!\n\nThe unfolding of the heat shield over 7 days is going to be so crazy.\n\nAnd then once it gets to L2, like how the fuck you even service something 1.5 million kms away", "Yep. They designed the fuel to be able to last 10 years. They think they can get up to 12, with being more conservative in their final years. To go beyond 12 years or so would require refueling it. \n\nIt wasn't designed to be refueled, but they're discussing ways now to do it with robots, so it's slightly possible it could be extended.", "Yeah I saw they also have a docking port on it despite the fact that it's not really expected/intended to be docked with. Still a cool thing to do because who knows what things might look like in a decade. Maybe it will be feasible to send some sort of automated repair/refuel craft at that point.", "Yeah. The refueling process that they're looking at is supposedly fully robotic.", "thanks", "No problem lol, I couldn't care less about the down votes I just thought it was a really interesting thought experiment and wanted to actually talk about it lol", "Yeah here's hoping we can at the very least get back to it before its past the point of no return or at the very least we have a replacement that'll be even better.", "[We are a go for more than 10 years](https://scitechdaily.com/due-to-precision-launch-nasa-says-webb-space-telescopes-fuel-likely-to-last-way-more-than-10-years/)" ]	68	videos	Humanity will see further than we ever have with the NASA James Webb Space Telescope – Official Mission Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdFJzNC0NPI	/r/videos/comments/rlnmet/halo_infinite_dunkview/	[ "\"It combines the series' best combat with its worst story\"\n\nHuh, sounds identical to how people felt about 5", "I feel like a 343 dev played Breath of the Wild and wondered why Link didn't have a hookshot, so they made Halo: Breath of the Wild with a hookshot.", "That single statement made me wonder if he actually liked Halo 5’s story", "He said Halo 5's story was an embarrassment", "You know other open world games existed before Breath of the Wild right? \n\nThere's even open world shooters that feature vehicles, base capturing and area unlocking. \n\nNot sure why you're under the impression it must be based on design ideas from BotW", "Probably the bright green fields and temples (forerunner structures)", "I think hands down the worst part is the audio logs. That was the only source of plot development. I think they were going for something like shadow of war.", "Because Breath of the Wild should have had a hookshot.", "Ahh yes… my favorite Donkey Kong game", "yeah, not that Infinite's story was great. But, no story can be worse than 5.", "nasty, what a wasted memory at this time.", "Glad to see Dunkey isn't sugarcoating things. I played and enjoyed the campaign, and I'm currently playing and getting my shit rocked with the multiplayer, but I see people praising this game like the second-coming of Christ. It's good. And it's a step forward for the series, but it's nothing special.", "The sneering cartoon villain is just embarrassing. It kind of takes the edge off his constant screaming to fight the Chief in some epic final battle when I'm also dying to Unggoy in random encounters. When will these games learn that less is more when it comes to dialogue? The Chief knows, why doesn't anyone else?", "Halo infinite really makes you FEEL like Master Chief.", "I mean, look at the other shooter franchises that have without exception taken a step back, not forward on everything from campaign to monetization to multiplayer.\n\nThe fact Halo's single player is stupid and fun, and it's multiplayer is as good as ever (HALO 2 and 3 being at the top of console MP) is pretty impressive. Monetization issues aside and the fact the Halo universe is already so convoluted they cant possibly make a coherent engaging story with Master Chief at this point.\n\nThey did good, which considering the last 5 years of AAA franchises sucking ass, is refreshing.", "Halo: Infinite is basically just a giant prologue - and it deserves criticism for that. But yeah, Halo 5 is a failure in almost every possible narrative pillar you could think to bring up.", "This has gotta be the most accurate review I'll see for this game. The good in this game is fucking great, but in the end I just couldn't shake the feeling of it being sorely incomplete. They took some risks that paid off, but it ended up lacking strongly in the cinematic narrative aspect. \n\nI think my feelings towards this game are almost exactly how I felt about Breath of the Wild on release: the gameplay is so fantastic and it's almost like it sets the ground for an actually good story in the future. \n\n\nOn a side note, anyone notice how that Halo song at the end of the video is damn near the exact same song as In the Waiting line by Zero 7?", "True, it does seem that they are trying to use Infinite as some sort of exposition for a greater story.", ">monetization \n\nBro. The monetization in Infinite is awful. The majority of unlocks in the non-premium battle pass are either challenge swaps or shitty visors. The fact that progress is through challenges and not XP like typical games is also a terrible move. Even CoD has done things better in that regard. Marginally better, but still. \n\nAnd to say Halo 2 and 3's MP is \"at the top of console MP\" is very debatable.", "When Halo 2 came out it was by far the best console shooter, even without the multiplayer. Same goes with Halo 3 as Call of Duty was just coming into it's own at that time. \n\nI agree with monetization being bullshit, but i don't give a fuck about bullshit cosmetic stuff if the game is actually fun", "I think at some point they had to limit mobility somehow", "No lies detected!", "People keep saying great things about the combat in this game being a return to form and i can only wonder if I’m playing it different game, because it didn’t even feel as good as Halo 5 to me. \n\nHot take: The franchise has only gone downhill since 343 has taken over, and I’ll die on this hill.", "I'd say the MP is alright. It's crazy that so many hardcore FPS players consider this their entry into FPS multiplayer, considering it feels like a party game at times. Does it require a lot of skill? Sure. I suck ass and my position on leaderboards is proof of that. But the lack of customization, and the feeling that almost every match goes the same way feels so dated and arcadey.", "How I remember, Halo 2 was by itself until Gears of War came out. Halo 3 had CoD4 competing with it, but it was just those two\n\nHalo 2 was the first online game for a lot of people.", "Is that actually a hot take though?", "Are there actually people who disagree with that?", "it is a party game, i mean the old school Halo boys remember putting huge CRT tv's on skateboards so they could have HALO lan parties. \n\nThe whole point of Halo is the crazy what the fuck skill moments that every noob can have and the better or elite players have a few times a game. The point of the game isn't \"oh cool i finally unlocked the tiger stripe pistol\" it's wow I got 8 kills without dying. \n\nWho gives a shit what colour your guns are or what colour your armour is when you don't even see it while you're playing lol.\n\nthis is all zoomer shit to me.", "100% right. Solid 7.5", "100%", "I mean at this point, I don't know what anyone even expects from shooters. Most studios focus on the multiplayer, and the story mode is an afterthought if they even bother to have one. For every Titanfall II or Wolfenstein TNO you have a thousand CoD or what have you. That's just how it is.\n\nIt's a shame, because it does not have to be this way, but it's what most players want. They don't care about single player, they just want to get to ranked deathmatches or whatever.", "No, it is absolutely not. Closer to room temperature, because the vast majority of halo fans view bungie era games with nostalgia, and automatically goes “number company bad”.", "I feel like it is - it’s been 17 years since the release of what I feel was peak Halo, which was Halo 2. There a whole ass generation of of new Halo players since then, and I feel like the two most recent Halo releases at least have been made expressly with this new group of players in mind. \n\nHowever even my group of veteran Halo friends that I’ve known for over 20 years are telling me I’m out of my mind for not enjoying this game. I’m not sure where my disconnect is with them, but my working theory is that the state of FPS games is simply in such a terrible state at the moment that Halo Infinite is being lauded simply for being at the top of the dung heap", "Pretty sure that take is near 0 Kelvin.", "It's damn near consensus. That take could not be colder.", "The campaign definitely feels like a long prologue, but the combat is very satisfying. Will be interested in future updates.", "Yup, this is a fair review (because I agree with it). I had loads of fun with that grappling hook and all those explosive barrels, and the game performs like a champ, but all the way, I could see the flaws as well. Weapon is totally adorable though.", ">Who gives a shit what colour your guns are or what colour your armour is when you don't even see it while you're playing lol\n\nWhen I said customization, I didn't mean cosmetics. I meant in like what weapons you can use, what equipment and such. I know it was already done in past Halo games, so I don't see why we couldn't have loadouts. If people wanted to play it old-school, a separate playlist would've been fine. \n\nAlso, “This is all zoomer shit to me.” is such a reductive, dumb argument. Never mind the fact that I'm 27, thus not a zoomer. I've played old-school FPS like Halo, Golden Eye, TimeSplitters and Quake, and I can appreciate their strengths, but I feel that the gameplay of multiplayer FPS has generally gotten better. Shitty business practices by the publishers notwithstanding.", "That’s basically every sequel to every shooter", "You don't think being better than Battlefield 2042 is an accomplishment worth being heralded for?", "Wasn't the grappling hook mechanic the main thing in Titanfall 2?", "I couldn't take her seriously when I noticed she had buck teeth. I know, it's such a stupid observation to make, but I wonder why they consciously gave her that feature.", "thats why it's fun. customization is annoying, i just want to play for 20 min not grind to unlock a fucking scope or a better rifle. i remember people used to complain about having to unlock new weapons and items lmao.", "If implemented poorly, it's a grind. But I've found that a lot of modern shooters don't take too long to give you all the tools you can have. In the newest CoD titles, it takes maybe 10-15 hours to unlock every single weapon, perk and equipment in the game. If you don't want to unlock every single camo and attachment for a gun you don't use, that's your prerogative, but the base guns are there, and unlocking said attachments and camos is a fun short term objective to have. On the flip side, I've been playing Halo Infinite's multiplayer for just as long, and the best thing I've unlocked are some fucking ammo pouches. Oh, unless I want to pay 10 bucks extra for a bunch of pixels so graciously convened to me through the premium battle pass.", "If I wanted to see this guys videos every week I'd subscribe to him.", "My hot take is that it peaked and nobody can think of a way to make something good with it. \n\n343 has failed to improve it. \n\nBungie has failed to do anything better since. Just a mindless boring Halo-style looter shooter with writing as bland as 343’s.", "I got bored of the campaign. Like I’ve played assassin creed games, breath of wild, metal gear solid. Those worlds just had more to do in them and were more interesting. Multiplayers good though", "Halo is all about equal starts, where you have to earn everything you get. Loadouts were tried in some earlier games and they were deeply unpopular because it took away the game's focus on map control, which made the game super casual, easy, and just not very skillful.", "Almost my entire friend group migrated to destiny for awhile afterwards, because Destiny just had the best gunplay for any FPS at the time. And no surprise there either, since Bungie had done so good with Halo in that regards. But when Destiny 2 rolled around a lot of us got tired of being dicked by the monetization strategy and have been really struggling to find a true replacement ever since. \n\nThe real shame is that Halo’s simplicity is part of what made it exceptional in my opinion. They keep trying to shoehorn new stuff into halo that it just doesn’t need or want", "idk, i go between different games for different things. Halo is all about skill and using what's in front of you. Games like Hell Let Loose, Insurgency sandstorm i play for the customization, realism itch.\n\nHalo is the best multiplayer arena shooter out there, trying to make it even a bit like COD or other failing, horrible games helps no one.", "The issue with the audio logs I have is that it clearly seems that they didn't have enough time to create cutscenes/physically develop the story, and so they crammed all of the stories into audio logs because it was much easier to just have the voice actors record lines rather than animate an entire scene. \n\nThe fact that this game was in development hell for six years and went through story overhaul at least once kind of gives credence to this.", "Never played Assassin's Creed, but I agree about BOTW and MGS having more to do. But by the incredibly low bar that past game's campaign has set, this one is leagues above, imo.", "Nope, you are nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye.", "In Halo 4 and especially 5, the story (events, characters, etc) got extremely convoluted and busy for no good reason. The actual way the story was DELIVERED was good--attractive and professional and exciting cutscenes. But the plotline was a mess.\n\nIn Halo: Infinite, they WAY overcorrected. They did a lot to make the story focused and human again. Stop the halo from being rebuilt/used, and some interpersonal drama about a tight handful of characters. But the delivery is AWFUL. The CG cutscene at the opening has Master Chief doing exactly none of the badass shit he did in earlier games, and then everything else is an in-engine hologram monologue.\n\nAll right, not EVERYTHING else. There are some good moments with the Pilot in there. But where Halo 4 and 5 just introduced a whole bunch of crazy shit into the story, Infinite pares WAY back on both the plot AND the presentation. \n\nInfinite's story could have worked a lot better if principle players got to actually meet each other a little more often, and if we got to see some of the flashback audio dialogues.\n\nOne small example: Every time Chief finds a Spartan, what if he could do the thing he did when they introduced the Flood in Halo: CE and pop a memory chip into his helmet to \"see\" the last couple minutes of that Spartan's life? If, instead of an audio log, we got an action or horror or surprising cinematic that gets to show the Spartans being badass and just how dangerous the new threat taking them all out really is.", "There's nothing causal about choosing the correct loadout and all the same controlling the map, but there are no power weapons (except for the CoD games with specialists) that are basically guaranteed kills for whoever gets to them first. Or vehicles with almost no counters.", "The story of the search for more money.", "I guess Killzone 2 was a Halo Killer afterall", "Yep. According to Joe, they had to cut 2/3rds of Halo Infinite's campaign in 2020. It was a much larger, more varied open world, with a much larger story. He didn't like the feel/direction of the game, but they didn't have time to change the entire thing. So they scrapped most of it, and modified what they could.\n\nThe silver lining is that they will have a lot of the assets to use for DLC/expansions. \n\nIt is also rumored that the next DLC will be next gen only, which should allow them more headroom.", "> Hot take: The franchise has only gone downhill since 343 has taken over, and I’ll die on this hill.\n\nThis is the least-hot take hot take in the history of mankind. That's pretty much what everyone has said, including 343.\n\nI am enjoying the hell out of Infinite's gameplay though. It's basically Halo Combat Evolved, but modern.", "That's the point of the game, to get there first, or kill the people before they can use the power weapon, it's strategy and skill. \n\nShit, sometimes you pick up the wrong weapon and now you're trying to kill a sniper with a needler, that's HALO life.", "I really liked the audio logs, but I don't think they should be the only plot. Just extra plot.\n\nSo it wasn't the addition of the audio logs. It was the lack of cutscenes and general story.", "radical", "Who gives a shit what you're character looks like, y'all be dying every 30 seconds.", "He's one of the worst villains of all time. Like a slightly mentally retarded harley davidson biker. 0% intimidating. Just cringe. \n\nI really liked the game in general, but my god he was awful.", "Anything that takes away from equal starts is inherently more casual, since it adds inequality and takes away focus from map control which is core to Halo's gameplay.\n\n> power weapons that are basically guaranteed kills for whoever gets to them first. Or vehicles with almost no counters.\n\nNeither of these really apply to Halo. Power weapons give you an advantage in many situations but are far from a guaranteed kill, unless you're playing against some really terrible players. Not to mention, equal starts means that the team with power weapons has to have already outplayed their opponents to acquire the weapons. Vehicles have a ton of counters, to the point where in many Halo games simply getting in a vehicle is practically a death wish.\n\nI can understand why some people would prefer games with loadouts, but that's just not what Halo is or is trying to be. Asking for loadouts in Halo is like asking for sprint in Counter Strike or a long TTK in CoD. Why take away what makes a game special and turn it into a shallow copy of something else?", "Cuz number company took halo and tried to be Call of Duty in Space and were force feeding all this other bland, uncreative dumb shit down our throats. \n\nHalo Infinites gameplay actually feels like Halo again.", "That sounds exactly like Destiny 1.", "It’s embarrassing the amount of denial halo fans with him. He’s da dreadful fucking villain Lol", "Halo 5's story \"sucked\" because the game basically made you play as another largely irrelevant character for 80% of it, removing you from the narrative of the previous game but for 2 missions. What was in those two missions however, finding Cortana, and having found her only to have her go evil and send humanity back to the stone age were pretty decent beats imo. I'm actually kinda pissed off that Infinite seemingly ignores 5's ending because it was a big fucking deal.", "Thats cuz both 343 and Bungie have been riding off the original trilogy's coattails, while lacking the core talent that made those games good in the first place. 343 just rides the Halo brand and Bungie rides its legacy to sell AAA games.", "Literally the whole plot was to kill off what they built from Halo 4 and 5 and pave the way for something new, pretty much as blatant as a 'soft reboot' can be. The audio logs just fed a bit more information about the fall of the UNSC/Spartans and the rise of the Banished than what the story offered.", "Did anyone else absolutely hate literally every boss fight in the game? Not a single one had any kind of interesting mechanics, story, introduction or endings, and all of them were just bullet sponges that you shoot at until their health bar dropped to zero.\n\nProbably some of the most uninteresting bosses I have ever seen in any game.", "It didn't ignore it. \n\n\nIt explained that she just wiped out UNSC headquarters and basically all of Australia. Earth still survived as did over 90% of the population. \n\n\nWhat they ignored was basically just the whole evil arc of Cortana and shifted gears saying, yeah shes dead already and they stopped her but not before she basically started unlocking this other race that is immune to the ring.", "The game reminds me a lot of Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain\n\nThe gameplay execution and controls are excellent, leveraging the introduction of an open world with fragments of RPG-ish elements sprinkled throughout with a heavy emphasis on the player’s creative freedom to tackle skirmishes however they wish...\n\n...all at the cost of a mediocre story that doesn’t do much to compliment the shoulders it rests on, with most of the narrative told through easily neglected and incoherent audio tapes.\n\nMuch of what was said about MGSV can be applied here. As an MGS fan, I did not like V. As someone who has played other Halo games, but wouldn’t consider myself as a fan, I love Infinite. I imagine fans of the series feel similar to how I feel about MGS V - and that’s understandable.", "According to Jason Schreier BotW really was inspiration at one point in time. Specifically a game design were you could in theory go straight to the boss and try to beat them or go on quests and explore the open world. I think it became clear this was way too ambitious and they cut most of it out again.", "dunky videos are really fun when u dislike a game. And when u like it its like yup classic duncy just shitting on a game for views while he plays some garbo or old game. basically im a hypocrite", "He had a lot to live up to after the legendary 'Super Donkey Kong Shake' and, while this didn't quite live up to that video's heights (how could it really), this is still a solid effort.", "Was disappointed he didn't review any of the multiplayer but it is a fair review of the campaign. All things considered I don't think it's worth $60, especially compared to other big open world titles at launch. The big controversy over the game is definitely the multiplayer though. Was hoping he would talk about it more when he referenced how long the game has been in development because it just doesn't make sense lol", "The multiplayer is so incredibly fun but it's currently plagued with lots of issues with matchmaking, people getting booted out of matches, hit registration issues, ranked matches starting with uneven teams and more. I love the game honestly and I'm at about 450 matches played but it's getting to be too annoying.", "I was singing spider-chief all throughout my play through. Don't underestimate the fun you can have with a grappling hook.", "He didn't give it a score.", "Halo is an Arena Shooter. You spawn in with equal starts and compete/fight for the drops (grenades, weapons, powerups). Very different vibes from picking a load out type of beat.", "https://youtu.be/6EvZF2m546k", "I was so god damned tired of angry, threatening, long drawn out holograms over explaining what awful things they were going to do to the Chief towards the end. I was just running past them at some points. \n\nThe gameplay itself is best in the series IMO so overall I enjoyed it quite a bit.", "I find it extremely similar to borderlands with better gunplay and without the loot.", "I hated his \"bare your fangs\" monologue so much lol", "I don't see how. Borderlands has heavy RPG elements, where this game has fuck all, save for upgrade points that aren't even necessary to progress in the game. I like Borderlands' gunplay more, but Halo's is undeniably excellent.", "You know 343 is going to milk the ever loving shit out of it. They even cut 20 levels of the battle pass just to sell the armour separate on their store front.\n\nIts like EA and Activision said \"well no one can milk a franchise more than us\" and 343 responded with \"hold my sippy cup and crayons\".\n\nGame came a year late, bareboned to fuck and the only thing in it that works consistently is the store. Such a shame.", "I just said without the loot.", "Fun video but it's not the same as him actually reviewing the multiplayer experience.", "> basically all of Australia.\n\nAll of Sydney at least, people saying she took out the whole continent are extrapolating from imprecise dialogue.", "I've always thought that an example of audio logs done really well was ODST", "And you absolutely earned that sort of treatment when your first entry into the series was Halo 4. \n\nThey haven't shipped a complete Halo title after 3 games either. If this were baseball they've definitely struck out there.\n\nNot to say Infinite doesn't have any redeeming qualities despite its shortcomings. Anything's better than H4/H5 though.", "omg thank you, that song was eating me up. I knew it from somewhere.", "Yup, like The Division bosses, who are but interesting but require 5,000 bullets.", "Yea we know.", "Not only immune to the ring, but possibly capable of time travel / time manipulation.", "I cannot wait for Halo: Infinite: The Taken King", "Nah thats just a straight up fact. I dont think you will find anyone on Earth, even those working at 343 that would disagree.", "Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?", "What made those games good in the first place was ironing out the hiccups of first person shooters on consoles. Once everyone got to that same level, Halo didn't have much to differentiate it any more.\n\nKinda like if valve released Halflife 3 and it played just like any other first person shooter out there. You'd have people wondering if the first 2 were that good in the first place.", "They simply shouldn't have had development and staffing issues, and produced a more complete game for me to consume, in my opinion.", "Halo 5 is my second favorite Halo after Halo 2", "No considering they had to shut down /r/halo for a weekend because the fans were rioting.", "\n\nHalo 5's MP had literally zero in common with COD and was an absolutely blast. \n\nFun fact: Halo CE came out 2 years before COD.", "Define complete.", "And hopefully they'll correct that mistake for botw2.\n\nThough I bet speedrunners will find some Statis + Hookshot glitch that will let them travel the entire realm and through spacetime.", "What’s bad about a loud series of audio messages which makes the actual in game audio quieter often times with gunfire or space ship noises at the beginning for 5-6 seconds before they ever even say anything that can only be found in combat zones and even though they are there to tell the story of what happened before everyone crashed onto the ring they actually don’t help give you any clearer of a picture at all?", "As the old adage goes \"show dont tell\" and again we see another mistake on 343i's writing. While i enjoyed the stories progression, i certainly think the fucked up the pacing inbetween games, seemed like another one of those classic read the books or you miss out deal they usually do.", "> All of Sydney\n\nFinally, it's Melbourne's time to shine!", "That is literally the most popular current opinion of the halo franchise, more like an ice cold take", "I feel like I am taking crazy pills when everyone says it’s the best grapple ever or a completely new mechanic.\n\nI do like that in Infinite you can grapple and pull items towards you but the the actual airtime mechanics of the grapple is better in TF2 imo", "No connection to previous games? It's directly connected to halo 5 and halo wars 2.", "The original trilogy was sooo fucking epic when it came to campaign. I know i was younger but i couldnt wait to get back home and get back on with the campaigns. Even multiplayer felt fresh and good.\n\nInfinite. I got bored with it after about am hour. Its just so repetitive. Rescue this squad, reclaim this FOB. Super dull, its the most padded out game ive played in a long time. How this has taken as long as it did to make is beyond me. Its copy and paste to the max.\n\nI do like how they have made the multiplayer emulate having a late 90's adsl connection though. Nothing, nothing says halo like getting hit round corners and taking damage when you blatantly shouldnt be taking damage.\n\nHell, 343 are that bad at multiplayer, when other games are pushing 100 - 150 players in a match, 343 had to reduce big team battle from 24 to 20 as players couldnt connect or were booted. If you got booted to many times they would temp ban you too. Its also 2021 and no anti cheat implement or even a basic report a player function. They really, really should be ashamed of what they did with this in the MP department.\n\nIf MS had any sense at all, they would look at the trash that was 4, 5 and now infinite and contract the franchise out to a studio that can do something other than make a fancy looking store front out of it.\n\nApparently infinite is going to be the platform for the next decade. What a travesty for a franchise that had such prestige in the past.", "I probably misunderstood and just assume she wiped the continent you know. Like she's like yeah the people there are my enemies, but fuck those emu motherfuckers.", "Dude I loved that", "Possible, or setting up something like Reach where we know how it ends you know.", "How so? I found him to be very interesting. Sometimes you need an over the top Disney villain to get you hyped for the fights to come", "I think thats an extremely reasonable comparison, i personally think it felt disconnected though. More like if you jumped from mid-reach campaign all the battle of earth.\n\nI didnt mind the implementation of the time-jump for certain aspects of the story, but i think the story itself would of been overall alot more coherent if we started chiefs story earlier then where the game picks up.", "The only thing keeping me from wanting to replay the game. I enjoyed all the levels but dreaded the boss fights. They were just annoying. I hated having to spam grapple just so they didn't catch up to me.", "you either die bungie or live long enough to become bungie. and then buy the rights to bungie things and bungie.", "I’m just disappointed. \n\n4 & 5 were building up to something pretty big, and were possibly gonna bring some neat lore elements in from the books and shit (Primordial, Omega Halo, etc) but they just did… nothing with it. In fact this story takes almost nothing from the previous games and said “nah fuck that shit, here’s something different with an unsatisfying ending”. And the thing is, the ending would be cool if they settled what the “Forerunner Trilogy” was building up to, even a little bit.", "> Kinda like if valve released Halflife 3 and it played just like any other first person shooter out there. You'd have people wondering if the first 2 were that good in the first place.\n\nThat's already become a narrative for some people and it's an argument I've seen on Reddit many times now.\n\nIt's an absurd argument, of course. Those games were on another level compared to almost everything else out at the time, and I'd argue that HL2 and the Episodes are still some of the best traditional FPSs out there.\n\nBut anyway, yeah, the notion that the HL games weren't all that good in the first place is a sentiment I've seen pop up a bit the last few years.", "I’d argue Reach actually started it’s downhill trajectory. Bungie doesn’t get enough blame.", "Which is a shame, but understandable if the youngins weren't paying attention yet or even gaming when they launched and don't have much context for them.", "My issue with destiny was never the game itself - by and large I always thought it was top tier gameplay, even when content was scarce. My issue is that the monetization strategy started to feel dishonest and predatory", "just going to post someone else's youtube videos to farm karma?", "Cryogenesis + bullet time + guardian + hookshot. I can already see the craziness lol", "He didnt do a single fucking thing, dude was all bark and no show.\n\n\nHe is the video game embodiment of a mad Redditor \"ALRIGHT FUCKER YOU MAY HAVE BEATEN BLADEMASTER BUT HE WAS A LITTLE BITCH ANYWAYS, YOU DONT STAND A FUCKING CHANCE AGAINST THE BRUTE BROS!\"\n\n\nKills brute bros\n\n\n\"THINK UR TOUGH SHIT FOR KILLING THE BRUTE BROS?!? THEY WERENT SHIT LMAO, MY ELITE BUDDY IS GOING TO FUCKING RECK YA RETARD\"\n\n\nKills elite buddy\n\n\n\"ELITE BUDDY WASNT SHIT, HE WAS ONLY A TEST, IM GOING TO FUCK YOU UP DUDE YOU DONT EVEN STAND A CHANCE\"\n\n\nThe prophet of Truth was the all time greatest Halo villain, this Brute is underwhelming as fuck for the villain for the entire game", "Okay, what other games (or Halo games) would be at top of console MP over halo 2/3?", "Sometimes he is being moronic though, but I can only remember the Xenoblade 2 video as an example. Everything else even if I disagree feels logical", "Nah with the number of audio logs in the game creating cutscenes for them all would be unreasonable. Almost every open world game does something similar to audio logs. They’re a reward for exploration. The story is pretty ass, but in the context that they’re trying to tie up all the useless ends they created in Halo 4 and 5 I think it’s a step in the right direction.", "Never cared for the story. So no loss here.", "Not a fan of 5. But there are some badass moments with Chief in this one!", "Have you played Doom eternal or ultrakill? These games to me seem like the only way forward in the shooter genre. \n\nSingle player shooters need to acknowledge the power of fun movement and enemy complexity. Infinite tried to so this with the grappling hook and different enemy projectile weakness but only to a half measure.", "You look me in the eye and tell me that bad monkey man isn't Donkey Kong.", "Sounds like Just Cause: Halo.", "I had a lot of fun with the bosses. The invisible one scared the fuck out of me multiple times on heroic. And the one right after was incredibly difficult for me, you really have to expose yourself to destroy the things. I think Legendary is going to be a serious challenge.", "That’s just source haha.", "Dunkey liking a modern game will be a signal of the end times.", "Fun fact I wasn't referring to halo ce or the original cod.\n\nCod4 and up was extremely popular around the time 343 took over the franchise. Halo Reach already had taken influence from it with the load out system and sprinting mechanic (as an equipment). Halo 4 took ADS, sprinting, and many other choices and designs from the call of duty franchise.\n\nTo top that off, they made everything extremely convoluted from a visual standpoint and the game didn't really feel like Halo.\n\nNarratively the game took a dive with boring set pieces, story lines, and overly dramatic and convoluted plot beats.\n\nHalo Infinite has the original creative designer Joe Staten and pulls influence from the original trilogy, removing the influences from call of duty and updates it with modern day game design.", "Halo 2 carried Xbox live single-handedly. It was ridiculously popular.", "Spaceballs 2?", "Halo Reach had sprint, loadouts, and abilities and wasn't made by 343.", "He had to take a break after he released the best video ever created! That could kill a man!", "Agreed. It’s honestly baffling how common the “you’ll never beat me you fool!” type villains are. Who enjoys that crap?", "Also his final fight. 'I'm going to use a shield generator that will torture your friend if you shoot it' \n\nLike.\n\nWow. \n\nIs this a thing that's happening? Did this guy walk off an 80s set and take a class in over the top ham 101? Only he flunked out and never reached over the top ham 201?", "Yeah I totally get that. \n\n\nI overall enjoyed the story and stuff for me personally. It was just a mindless game that was fun to play on legendary.", "The MP isn't that good when the game tells you what to play instead of the contrary.", "If you know some if the deep lore, it’s story is actually quite interesting in how humanity is tasked with a parallel ancient enemy(AI), however i think it got way too distracted with the whole chief as a enemy vs spartan luke cage.", "idk what people mean when they say the multiplayer is fun\n\nOn PC it feels like actual shit. The game feels extremely inaccurate compared to my actual aim, and I've fiddled with every possible setting. The guns feel inconsistent, the matchmaking is bad, the ranked ladder is a joke, the load and queue times are irritatingly long, playing the objective just feels worse than ever before because you can't melee 1-shot anymore, the vehicles implode when you sneeze at them, the power weapons now announce themselves so the worst players on the earth are competing with me for spawns, movement tech is actually just nonexistent, and on top of that as a PC player if I play a lobby that isn't ranked I have to basically play against aimbot.\n\nI go to Apex Legends, or Valorant, or Overwatch, or CS:GO or CS:Source, or Halo Reach at least the base mechanic of my mouse moving my cross hair and my bullets following that cross hair actually functions at a base level.\n\nAnd the grappling hook is mediocre, play Titanfall 2 or Pathfinder in Apex.\n\nI really like FPS games, I REALLY wanted to like Infinite because I'm thoroughly bored of Apex after 4k hours, but I don't know what the fuck people are talking about when they say they're having fun.", "Nice to know you didn't read what I said at all, because I addressed that.\n\nReach took those things and made their own spin on it, but it wasn't a dominating part of the games inherent design like it was in the 343 games.", "Microsoft should just disband 343i and give the franchise to an actually good developer.", "Lmao I completely forgot that shit too.\n\n\nChief is even all like \"I can respect him, he was just a soldier doing what he believed was right\" like two minutes later lmao", "I read what you said. You blamed 343 for that stuff in your above post. \n\n\"Cuz number company took halo and tried to be Call of Duty in Space \"\n\nI did read what you said.\n\nWhen, actually, 343 ditched loadouts 6 years ago", "Halo's story was never supposed to be an afterthought.", "Yea i was way off, i thought it was a Morcheeba song i couldn't remember.", "Isn’t Reddit literally about sharing things from around the internet?", "True but at the time nobody considered Reach anything other than a Spin Off. \n\nTrue tho that Bungie and Reach did kill Halos Multiplayer scene. \n\nBut all 343 had to do was make Halo 4 a sequel to Halo 3. It’s like they were goaltending their own lay up.", "Anyone know what that song is? Assume it's from the OST? I skipped through the OST but couldn't find it on my first pass.", "The combat feels better than any other Halo game and I don’t hate the story. Definitely a step in the right direction from 4&5", "How Microsoft has not shitcanned 343 and gave the Franchise to a new dev is beyond me. 343 has proven time and time again that they lack the full ability to deliver, and their efforts have only hindered Halo from ever being back as a mainstay FPS", "Halo 2 and Xbox Live made Online Gaming Mainstream \n\nHalo 3 made eSports Mainstream in NA\n\nI love the Stories and the books but It’s odd to me that some people think Halo is mainly known for its Campaign.", "Halo 1-3 I would agree. But from there it started slipping further back.", "the story started okay enough but turned massively incoherent towards the end. i really don't get how the chief \"respected\" him, he was an absolute fucking turd", "I haven't spent a single dollar on it and I've had fun for all of my 100 hours just playing the multiplayer. Hasn't felt this good since Halo 2.", "> Halo: Breath of the Wild\n\nOof.", "I like the idea of a villain welcoming a showdown with the chief, but hearing him repeat the same monologue like 20 times with slight variations made it feel like a bunch of grandstanding", "There are 4 major reasons it feels bad on pc:\n\n\n1. The desync issue affects us disproportionately due to lack of auto aim.\n\n\n2. They MASSIVELY over did consoles auto aim.\n\n\n3. They completely removed bullet magnetism from mouse and keyboard. This means that if you and a console player were to both put a shot in the same exact spot, the console player can get a headshot, and you cant. It also exacerbates issue 1 and 2.\n\n\n4. They nerfed the hell out of the weapons that pc players could utilize better. This mostly affects the commando.\n\n\nI would expect a fix to #1 eventually, but the rest....\nIm no game designer. I dont know how to balance console vs pc, but I DO know it isnt balanced.", "The climax of the story should have been chief confronting Cortana and having to make his ultimate sacrifice for humanity: Cortana herself. We could have had an emotional culmination where he begs her to come back to him and give up her rule, but she refuses and so he has to activate “The Weapon” as his last resort, saying goodbye forever. Instead she dies unceremoniously off screen. Very anticlimactic.", "I think it's called A Walk in The Woods, I actually found someone who mashed it up with this song!\n\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/jfzbs0/i_mixed_in_the_waiting_line_by_zero_7_with_halo/", "So dramatic, easily the best Halo game since 2! Campaign isn't great, but the MP is incredible.\n\nI think your complaints would be fine if you had to pay for the game.", ">try to snipe or ads\n\n>console player auto aims you from across the map making the sniper inoperable due to ads cancelling on damage taken\n\nwhat the fuck is the point lmao", "I said he wouldn’t do it!", "I’ve hated the story of every non-Bungie Halo game. 343 Studios seems to operate on the assumption player has an encyclopedic knowledge of Halo lore. I absolutely loved the older games and read a couple of the early books and I still never know what the hell is going on in the 343 games.", "Am I the only one who can’t figure out the damn tank controls? Forward is forward and back is back, except when it’s also forward.", "I just uninstalled and chalked it up to another 343 Halo game... I've never felt as inaccurate in an FPS compared to when I played Infinite.", "Honestly I kinda enjoyed his “1v1 me bro” personality. Dude was depressed because he thought he had no more war to win and would die of illness rather than in battle, but when Chief comes back he suddenly gets reignited and becomes obsessed with his “new opponent“ and basically accepts his fate of “one of us will die on this ring tonight, it’s him or me!” I will admit his hologram speeches did get annoying by the end of the game and should have stopped after his “Set a Fire in Your Heart!” speech and let the motive of killing him carry the player from there til the end, but I guess it can’t be changed now.\n\nI absolutely understand why people don’t like him but I thought he was a breath of fresh air compared to almost all other halo villains past halo 2 that have been all-knowing, 4-D chess-playing smart asses that all had a raspy voice and beat/out-smarted chief by teleporting away, predicting the future, or by sheer luck. \n\nIt all started with Prophet of Truth in Halo 2, which was fine and was probably the best villain we ever got, but then we got Gravemind in 3 while Truth became a caricature of himself; then we got Didact in 4 who was all bark and no bite and gets wiped out by just one grenade. By the time Warden Eternal shows up I was thinking “Jesus Christ how many times are they gonna pull this stunt with the same “Emperor Palpatine”-style villain”. \n\nCampaign Spoilers below:\n\nFor these reasons, I found >!The Harbinger WAY more annoying. She spends the entire game spewing Forerunner techno-babble words and then dies in her first fight. We don’t even really get an explanation as to who she is and what her motivation for re-building the ring are by the end besides the generic “Reclaimers Bad!”, which was just unsatisfying for what initially seemed like a fresh new and creative villain!<", "You just know they'll still be selling 300sqm of rubble for $1.5 million", "I feel you. I loaded up a random fps to make sure I wasnt crazy.\n\n\nIt feels like playing drunk or something.", "Yeah they really messed that up. The fact I went through the whole game with no clue who this Atriox guy only to be told that he beat the crap out of master chief off screen is just terrible writing. \n\nI had no investment in him as a character and could not care about him being built up as an antagonist. \n\nEscharum as well was just painful, for the amount of time they spend on his speeches I have to imagine someone was proud of his dialogue but he comes across as an asthmatic man child always whinging about wanting a real fight while sending everyone else to try and kill you", "On the topic of boss fights, that Hammer Chieftain who aids the final boss can go fuck himself. Already got enough problems in that fight without his phat ass launching fifty feet in any direction to one-shot me even when I’m swinging around the room like Spider-Man!", "Just don't give them money. Most simple solution to any problem I've seen in my life. \n\nNo money.\n\nPay no money.\n\nThey asked for money for cosmetic? No, I give no money.\n\n343: \"Please, give money for pink visor\". \n\nMe: \"No. No money for pink visor.\"\n\n343: \"screeches in agony with no money, reverts to classic business case.\"", "I've always really enjoyed the campaigns, but Reach was the last decent one and even then the story telling and fantasy were kind of inconsistent and shitty. Everything since Reach has felt like the last season of Game of Thrones, but worse.", "fucking bravo.", ">i don't give a fuck about bullshit cosmetic stuff if the game is actually fun \n\nI find it kind of sad that a lot of people are saying it's a bad game because of the battlepass and cosmetic system in the game. I understand it isn't the best and skins cost too much for what you get, but when did progression systems become more important than gameplay?\n\nHaving a system of unlocks and levelups are supposed to be the cherry on top of the great gameplay of the cake of a game, yet so many people treat it like the progression system is the game. They don't care about playing for the fun of it if there isn't a carrot on the end of a stick held in front of them.", "What was interesting? Beyond rehashing what the other commenter said he's a Brute that is a part of a warring faction who's obsessed with following Atriox and getting a 'real fight'.\n\nHe has no interesting history, he has no relationship with you or other characters, he embodies the classic 'right of might' philosophy that has been a blot on the writing of science fiction for too long. \n\nHe shows no great intelligence or tactical ability, he would likely be a terrible leader who cares about nothing but ego. At least they gave Atriox a minor motivation in wanting to give the Banished a new home but Escharum is all 'i want to die in glorious battle'.", "Yes mate. Sure it is. Hence all the negative comments.\n\nYou don’t need to simp for the game here", "When it’s good it’s great, I’ll admit that. But it’s super inconsistent with its connection quality… and who makes a game these days with no anti cheat in it. \n\nConsidering it’s a year late and clearly has features cut it’s a bit of a mess. I say this as a halo fan too so I’m not here to hate on something for the sake of hating.", "Yeah I bought the season pass like a dummy, first and last though.", "I didn't mind it at first but bullet sponge enemies really don't work with Halo's combat system. MC is fun to play when you are tearing through one enemy after another popping behind cover for a moment to get some shields back and jumping back into the fray. \n\nIf you die it's usually because of the attrition of enemies wearing you down and it feels great when you are playing on this knife's edge of just barely killing everything before it kills you.\n\nHaving an enemy with so much health they can kill you 10 times over before you kill them really messes it up. Now you are forced to constantly run away from the enemy and take cheap shots at them because in a straight up fight they win every time. There's no tricks or interesting mechanics they just walk towards you and you keep grappling away. Winning feels cowardly", "Give the brute a break. He just really wanted to be Atriox and was super insecure about it.", "If they disband 343 though those developers would only end up somewhere else. Imagine having those guys writing software for pacemakers or autonomous cars…\n\nI think Microsoft are doing us a solid by keeping them on deck and just driving halo into the wall instead of a Tesla or something.", "well halo has a precedent of having awesome customization for your spartan so it’s frustrating to have them take several steps back in that regard.", "Ok this is one of the plot points that don't make sense to me. Humanity has spread throughout the galaxy to the point where the planet of Reach (where the Spartan IIs were trained) was one big military base. I'm pretty sure she could have destroyed all of Earth and the UNSC would still have a chain of command structure in place. I mean they just got out of a multi-decade war with aliens trying to wipe out Earth. I'm sure they had contingencies. Did 343 not even read up on their own franchise?", "Yeah I can see that, I mucked around with my Spartan a bit in Halo 3 but if they just removed that aspect completely I'd still consider it a minor negative. The game itself is still fun", "exactly. i do not understand how a game can be shit on so heavily for its cosmetics. i absolutely hated to store for apex legends but found the game fun for a bit because the gameplay is what i was there for. Infinite feels great in the most important aspects of a game and as far as i'm concerned, they're gonna make the game better as it goes on.", "It’s not. You spam grapple and hope that the game doesn’t decide that his 50 foot lunge is going to one shot you this time. \n\nRepeat until dead.", "I was frustratingly equal parts irrationally angry and 'hell yeah that was awesome'", "Just finished the campaign tonight and I enjoyed it quite a bit. The gameplay is so much fun, especially the new Grappleshot. Without a doubt, it feels like a new series staple and gives new life to Chief and his abilities.\n\nStory-wise I actually liked the simpler story. After 5 we needed something like this. The main bad doesn’t really strike me as a “main bad” but his motivations are clear and pure. Finally an enemy worthy of my final battle. Give me your best and I’ll give you mine. I dig it.\n\nI see a couple comments here that are using phrases like “this feels like a prologue”. I agree. But that messaging has been pretty upfront about Infinite. It’s a platform that we will see DLC and expansions for for the foreseeable future. More story, more locations, more abilities etc.\n\nYeah the game is currently content-light, but that’s a temporary problem, especially if we all agree that the gameplay is the best part of what we have.", "Halo 2-3’s story was awesome.", "The \"forerunner trilogy\" gave us 1 game that was absolute total trash and its highly mediocre followup.\n\nA video game is not a story, it is a complex series of moving parts that make an interactive piece of media. And those moving parts where falling apart at every turn since 343 took the reins.\n\nBurn it to the ground and start fresh, which they did. I don't care if it has a bad story. And it even manages to be a Halo game with good characters for the first time in over a decade.", "The complaints are all like yours, complaints about everything but the gameplay.\n\nI don't know what simp means. It's a good game and the complaints are all about skins and how slow it takes to get them. Who cares about skins.\n\nThe worst part is no shotgun, that is the worst aspect of the game.", "He’s the mentor of atriox and is good friends with an elite. How is that not an interesting history?", "Bruh how are you out here complaining about Halo when you buy seasons passes for a completely free game.", "That's a [Zero 7](https://youtu.be/alwNEAlwsx4) Cover.", "Eh it wasn't about wiping them out but about sending a message that they couldn't fight back. They had no defense against that enemy.\n\nFrom all the logs and playing it seemed like attacking her on Zeta was a last ditch effort to try and stop her using a copy of Cortana. \n\nHad they failed there was literally nothing that could stop her as she later showed us that she could blow uo planets pretty easily.", "Atriox barely features in the story, he has a couple of lines in flashback and then you see him at the end, why would I care if this guy is his mentor? He could have been the mentor of one of the brute minibosses as well, it wouldn't have mattered or been meaningful.\n\nGood friends with an elite? That's what you consider an interesting character? That isn't a history, history would be showing us how they became friends why they joined with the Banished, what they accomplished together in the war. What their relationship was like, did they struggle with friendship while serving together, did they ever disagree on commands.\n\nYou don't get any of that because neither one is interesting and they are barely even characters to begin with, they are plot devices. They exist to say 'im going to kill you' then die. \n\nGo watch Band of Brothers and tell me that the relationship between Escharum and the elite who's name I bet you can't even remember is interesting in the same way Major Winters and Captain Nixon's relationship was.", "Season pass. Singular. \n\nI had credit on my account that’s sat there for some time. \n\nIt’s like £7. I spend more than that on coffee on a busy day. It’s nothing.", "$60 used to cover campaign and multiplayer. By the \"multiplayer\" being free to play, it is essentially being marketed as a $60 campaign and a multiplayer that \"would of been\" $60 if not for the FTP model.", "There is a shotgun. It’s called the bulldog.\n\nI’ve stated when the game works it is good, it’s just super inconsistent. That’s poor matchmaking or poor servers. Which are quite important for an online game.", "I got the campaign through game pass. \n\nYou can get game pass for £1 for 3 months. \n\nOh and game pass is broken so you can get the three month trial for a £1 and then keep everything forever anyway.", "Why would I compare a war tv show to a sci fi game series?\n\nAlso his name is Jega Rdomnai", "Nah that's a two handed mauler, shotguns are one hit kills. They don't have a shotgun in this game.\n\nThat stuff depends on the country, for the western markets, EU, US and Oceania they are excellent. Halo is not big outside of these markets so if you're in Asia or Africa it could get spotty.", "This and who the fuck actually cares about karma lol", "I give a shit, I get to see other people walk around in these cosmetics.", "Because one is an example of interesting characters and the other is not, in this thread discussing whether the characters are interesting. Hell even the pilot has more characterisation than Escharum.\n\nAnd I'm 100% sure you googled that", "When the current situation with melee that is def not true.", "You saw Atriox beat up the master chief in the very first cutscene of the game. It wasn't really off screen.", "Agree to disagree \n\nAlso I actually did remember his name.", "Was it? See I had already forgotten about him, thought it was just a random brute. I was expecting something a bit more meaningful from MCs description of it being 'surgical'", "Honestly, 343 is trying to get out of the shadow that bungie created, they have no originality, nothing they do is innovative, and their previous games are shit. FFS Halo reach had a better multiplayer experience than anything 343 has created. I hope 343 gets shutdown, because they will milk halo to death if they don't.", "The combat was pretty good, but the level design was terrible. Just endless hallways. Very dull.\n\nAnd goddamn, Halo 5 was godawful, but it literally feels like there were several games between that and infinite that I must have missed. What happened to the Guardians? To the UNSC? I know they explained a little, but nowhere near enough. I play Halo for the story, and I felt kinda betrayed by the writing of this one.", "I actually enjoyed Halo Infinite's campaign. The moment it clicked for me was when I realized was I expecting Halo 3 level of grandness when I should have realized Infinite went for the Halo Reach vibe of quiet delivery. Halo 5 had the galaxy spanning adventure but it never quite captured the narrative tightness of Halo 3. Halo Infinite had a more simpler story that is slowly revealed to you as you progressed through the game. Instead of a large collection of cast, you basically only had 3, albeit very well developed characters. The main antagonist is annoying until you realize his motivation and then he became something more comprehensible than the Didact or even the Warden Eternal. You don’t get the massive large scale battles of previous games because the UNSC got its ass kicked by the Banished. The motivation of the Banished is also understandable unlike the Promethians because they literally have no home to return to. And Halo Infinite as a whole was set up to be a vehicle for more Halo contents in the future, instead of a one and done experience. After that ending cutscene, I can’t wait for more.", "a lot of the character stuff is fun in infinite. not all of it, but the weapon, chief, pilot, and atriox were fun. and absolutely everything with the grunts. the open world adds absolutely nothing though, and is largely detrimental. besides making the gameplay feel like an ubisoft checklist, it slaughters the narrative pacing. levels like \"pelican down\" are exactly as open as halo should ever get, that was perfect. all the true open world shit was crap", ">I mean, look at the other shooter franchises that have without exception taken a step back, not forward on everything from campaign to monetization to multiplayer.\n\nYou're acting like that's all that's come out since Halo 5 released. We've gotten Titanfall 2 and two Doom games that both had great campaigns since Halo 5 came out. More recently, Deathloop is a great game. We've seen some of the greatest FPS campaigns in gaming since Halo 5 came out. In that sense, Halo Infinite absolutely is nothing special. I had hopes that Halo would join the pack of this modern resurgence of great FPS campaigns, but it fell well short.", "its funny to me how people are applauding the gameplay of the multiplayer. like...it took them 3 tries to successfully copy bungie's homework, and every original idea they brought into it was total shit. like for instance the immensely awful vehicle spawn system and just how terrible the vehicles are in general", "It's almost like 343 was created for the sole purpose of loving in Bungies shadow. What the hell are you expecting? \n\nInfinites a helluva lot better than the trashfire that is Destiny 1 and 2, I'll tell you that much. So it looks to me like 343s managed to surpass them.\n\nAnd whatever narrative you've spun in your head about this perfect Halo game that never existed doesn't matter, because the bottom line is Infinite is super fun.", "Haven't played the multiplayer since 4, so I figured it was just a copy paste, did they make it so vehicles don't spawn like in 3 or reach.", "its a shame that the villain was so shit, because chief's dialogue was about as great as its ever been. he's almost an 80's action hero at times and it works", "Wasn't comparing it to destiny, but at this point at least Destiny has a somewhat functional story. Hell warframe is a better shooter than both halo and destiny and its still in beta. These devs are terrible, their writing is terrible, their optimization for pc is terrible, and they can't even create something that is their own.", "Being bad at using them and them being bad are two different things. Every vehicle is very good.", "i still haven't the slightest clue how the banished even knew the harbinger existed, or why in the fuck they thought to free her", "I was searching Massive Attack trying to figure it out myself. Then went to the comments when I couldn’t find it.", "multiplayer started fine for me, but as weeks have passed the servers seem to get even more shit. today literally no challenges would complete, not even the daily complete a game one", "You're delusional. I've played Warframe. It's shit. And it could never dream of being as fun as any Halo game.", "Sure buddy.", ">\t game pass is broken so you can get the three month trial for a £1 and then keep everything forever anyway.\n\nDo tell", "Why, after all his amazing heroics, has John not received a promotion?", "lol ok, theres no possible way to argue the vehicles are good in this game. they're so light they flip on every pebble, and they added so many new tools for fucking vehicles up while simultaneously nerfing them\n\nbut the real problem is how they spawn. dropping a tank on one side and a gungoose on the other is not fun or fair. and in general i can probably count on my fingers the number of times i've even seen a scorpion or wraith, those shits just don't ever spawn\n\nthen theres the banshee which is just pure shit given it can be one shot by a single spike canon round or a couple lock on shots from the hydra....or trivially easily stolen by a grapple hook if you try to go for a splatter kill or fly in too close while shooting with the overly weak lasers", "sides will get random vehicle drops. so someone might get a wraith while the other team gets another warthog. and in general tanks just don't ever spawn. in like 50 hours i've seen the scorpion and wraith a combined total of like 7 times", "Have you ever seen the Spartan Laser before? The thing that made every single vehicle literally useless in every single Halo game? Barring, of course, Infinite, because they finally got rid of it.", "Wow thats pretty shit. Thanks for the heads up, won't waste my time trying multiplayer out. Would rather enjoy more of the games in the backlog.", "Good thing it's only 11$ then", "Well sounds like this isn't the game for you. Your criticism isn't indicative of a bad game, it's indicative that Halo isn't a good fit for you. It's like complaining that Flight Simulator doesn't allow you to drive the airport service vehicles around. That's not the point of the game.\n\nStick with CoD or BF in the future.", "Halo fans deserve this honestly. Bungie wrote an awesome villain with the Prophet of Truth in Halo 2. But after fans spent months revolting over being \"forced\" to play as a character with an actual character arc in The Arbiter and a villain who was a political mastermind utilizing a religious cult to consolidate power, Bungie scrapped all that and basically wrote both characters out of the story in Halo 3. Truth is turned into a cardboard thin raving religious zealot, and the Arbiter sorta shows up at the end I guess?\n\nThen Halo 5 explores the truly horrific nightmare fuel that is human AI development. Where they essentially create living beings with a 7-year lifespan that are forced into slavery before they're killed. THIS had so much damn potential for good storytelling. Making Cortana the main villain meant Chief could have actual growth and meaningful interactions with the villain. But the fans hated it because they didn't wanna play as Locke.\n\nSo honestly, what 343 did makes perfect sense. They gave Halo fans the, \"me dumb monke, me bonk you real hard\" story they were always clamoring for. Infinite is The Rise of Skywalker of Halo games. A half-assed story that poorly preys on fan's nostalgia with pathetic attempts to call back to games of old while undoing the work of the prequel games in an effort to please unpleasable fans that is ultimately self sabotaging.", "Anime fans.", "Godamn man too real", "That sounds... Very bad.", "From what I understand, banished want to rebuild the ring for.. reasons (possibly to extort the galaxy idk), harbinger wants to rebuild the ring to free the endless. But then it gets even more confusing with the ending scene.", "Never even considered that until now and I have even more questions because of it.\n\nI guess either Cortana the Banished accidentally triggered her on their first invasion of the ring similar to how the Covenant released the Flood back then? Blowing a chunk out of a ring world probably would be enough to awaken an ancient squid goddess.\n\nI’m just worried about the mental gymnastics this is going to potentially cause for the future of the series. We’re expected to believe there’s apparently always been a highly advanced ancient alien race called the Endless that lived alongside the Forerunners, survived up until modern day (the Harbinger implies there’s more like her) and somehow were just never noticed or were causing problems in the universe until now despite seeming like a pretty vengeful society?\n\nI just hope this is explained in the future in a less expository way than how the Harbinger was handled. Like where did the Endless come from? Why are they on Zeta Halo? Do they live there? Are they immune to the ring’s effects of wiping galaxies or did they just hibernate like Didact? Did they fight for reclamation only to have the Forerunners just toss it onto humans and that’s why Harbinger is mad?", "Oh come on, there's a large amount of issues with how Halo 5's story is presented in game. So many it's not even funny. First off, wanting to do a cortana villain story and then making you play as Locke have little to do with each other.\n\n>THIS had so much damn potential for good storytelling. Making Cortana the main villain meant Chief could actually have actual growth and meaningful interactions with the villain. But the fans hated it because they didn't wanna play as Locke.\n\n\nIf you're playing as Locke for most of the campaign, how are you supposed to get interesting interactions between Chief and Cortana? You can't. In fact, what we got was a Locke with barely any characterization who is just following orders, and a Chief that does almost nothing and was inconsequential to the plot. At the same time, making Cortana \"back to life again but now she's bad\" completely takes away from the plot of Halo 4. Not to mention Cortana's betrayal is not even well showcased or justified.\n\nInfinite tries to actually address Halo 4 at least, with Chief being distraught from failing to save Cortana, the \"they'll pair you with another AI, maybe even a new Cortana model\" line actually getting addressed, and his continuing distrust of the Weapon.\n\nOf course, once again 343 has decided to just kill off the villain offscreen and then introduce more villains.", "People didn't like playing as Arbiter? But he's so cool.\n\nSeriously, I had a girlfriend with whom I played Halo 3 a lot and she always insisted on being Arby. I was always so fucking jealous. \n\nWe kept hoping he was going to be in the Halo 4 Spartan Missions or whatever they were called... But Halo 4 insisted on being comprehensively disappointing.", "I'll just go replay the original trilogy + Reach and ODST again.", "I mean the Chiefs story should have stopped after Halo 3. But why have a satisfying ending to a beloved franchise when you can make money instead?\n\nIts the same reason other games are shit and are getting worse. So long as these games make money no one cares about quality.\n\nJust pretend like Halo 4, 5 and infinite are bad fan fiction like the rest of us. Dont spend a dime on it either.", "> and who makes a game these days with no anti cheat in it.\n\nHonestly this is starting to become the trend for many triple A titles. Cheating has become so difficult to deal with that many companies are just saying fuck it entirely. Cheating is just what players on public lobbies will likely have to deal with for the foreseeable future. Even in games with anticheat. Only way to avoid cheating truly is private matches.", "Yeah it's a pain. I did a little digging and I guess in Halo 5 or maybe 4 they changed the way the tank steers. Before that the treads and the turret were always separate sticks but now they are bound in some way. I don't know exactly how it works but the treads are constantly trying to align with the turret facing it seems. If your turret is facing straight ahead of the treads steering forward is fine. As you start to turn the turret the treads start to turn as well. If you turn the turret around far enough it seems the treads don't know how to turn to face it anymore and just decides to flip the axis or something.\n\nBasically you don't want to turn the turret too far away from the front without letting the body catch up or it shits the bed.", "He made a pretty funny tweet about this. Said he felt like he was forgetting about something", "Yeah, big gundam reference", "Preach", "> it clearly seems that they didn't have enough time to create cutscenes/physically develop the story\n\nIf this game took 6 years to make, I wonder how long it would have taken for a version with cutscenes. 7 years? 8?", "The Admiral just doesn’t have the same ring to it.", "4 had the task of creating a new arc for the series to move on to after 3 and the story was split between two main arcs. The first was a personal story of Cortana reaching the end of her life and Master Chief struggling to accept it which played with some cool ideas in which chief was the machine who struggled with emotion, while Cortana was the more human one. The other half was stopping some galactic threat that nobody cared about to the point where the villain eventually died in a comic. Spoiler for 4 but it ends with Cortana dying in a shockingly powerful scene. \n\n5 then tried to introduce some cool new characters yo because chief isn't that deep and they ended up sidelining him and as a result sidelining Blue Team (book characters people were excited about). Then the main story was about chasing down master chief who went AWOL even though the game tells you why immediately so there's no mystery, only to reveal Cortana isn't dead and has taken control of forerunner tech and has decided to protect the universe by taking it over and leading an AI revolution. People were pissed because it basically ruined 4's ending, you barely played as chief, the expanded universe stuff that was marketed was barely there, making Cortana a villain was a twist nobody was interested in, and the ending was basically \"lol Cortana wins humanity has no conceivable way to fight this\". \n\nSo going into infinite they were 0 for 2 on making a new compelling villain and had written chief and cortana into a situation fans hated without an easy out. Infinite's plot is half about undoing halo 5 and half about establishing a new arc.", "Unlucky - it's $1.7m now", "I'm not complaining. Infinite's campaign is IMO the best Halo campaign to date. They could definitely add more weapons but the gameplay itself is absolutely stellar!", "In open World, Just Cause had it way before Titanfall.", "I think their health pool could have worked if the fight had been divided in more phases, even if it would have been purely visual (e.g. tearing through their armour, different animations, etc). They use a similar method for regular elites, where you first destroy their shield with a satisfying pop and then kill them, which reduces the sponginess. \n\nThis is why I thought the second to last boss (no spoilers!) was the least boring one, because there you at least had to shoot those generator thingies, which let you do something other than just taking cheap shots at the boss.", "I can't be the only person who finds these audio logs or diaries and things in games and just skips them. So boring. I don't want to spend time adventuring just to find a diary. I wanna find cool gear, something funny, or a hidden cutscene. Not a window that pops up with 5 paragraphs of text or an audio log that runs on forever.", "I'm actually kinda disappointed about this", "That whole \"uncovering the mystery\" mechanic made me excited to listen to audio logs. Can't think of any other game that did that for me.", "How did this game have 10x the budget of the Witcher 3?", ">The \"forerunner trilogy\" gave us 1 game that was absolute total trash and its highly mediocre followup.\n\nAre you alluding to halo 4? I thought it was a great game... People didn't like it? Why?", "Damn this game really makes you feel like Haloman.", ">Halo 3 made eSports Mainstream in NA\n\n\nMy sides", "Escharum was badass, what do you mean?\n\nIf you want lame villain look at 'evil' Cortana in Halo 5. No boss in that game was remotely intimidating or cool.", "Yeah I was honestly terrified of him. But I get really immersed in games. When I was fighting him I was literally like panicking and terrified while he was chasing me and right on my tail. I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse I get like that haha.", "He's turned them down repeatedly to stay as an active fighter.\n\nLord Hood had given him a chance at being an admiral.", "He likes literally any game with a grapple hook.", "Bad campaign, multiplayer, weapons, enemies, and art style.\n\nThe series was not out on hold for 6 years because if Halo 5. It was put on hold because 5 wasn't at all good enough to make up for what 4 did.", "Absolutely. I’m in my mid thirties. Halo was life growing up. I played 2 like it was my job and I’ve sunk hundreds, if not thousands, of hours into 1&3 as well. After 3 I boycotted in protest. This franchise was my childhood. insert “look what they’ve done to my boy,” meme. \n\nI literally thought it picked up where 3 left off in some way. Not kidding. I never played 4/5 and I straight up thought they were picking up from 3 and where the gaps existed I just assumed it was one of those “don’t worry about it,” things. \n\n9/10. Play it every day and everyday I bitch to my gf about something that’s not quite right. “Back in my day….”", "Omg yes FUCK him. I eventually had to just fall off the balcony and grapple back up when he jumped off so I had time to actually think lol.", "Agree 100%\n\nThere are aspects of multiplayer that are broken and the dev team constantly gives BS excuses for it in the Halo sub. What are your biggest issues with it? Mine are the desync issues, not being able to just pick the fucking game type I was (with the exception of slayer) poor map variety, and the fact that ranked is Hardcore and unranked is ranked…", "The forerunner spires feel like such boring filler and the open world is super under utilised. The fobs are a cool idea but they too are pretty boring after a while. It’s a good game but it’s more 6 than an 8", "If the game is fun to play, you can add the rest later. Too many games going the other way.", "Yeah from everything I’ve seen - especially the boring copy paste open world ‘destroy these destructible silos etc’ stuff, and the grapple - looks exactly like Just Cause but Halo. Amazed nobody else has mentioned this.", "I am suprised too. I mean the only reason he was doing that is because you get WAY more ad money from youtube in December.", "Pretty much what you said. For a while it felt like every few games someone was always getting kicked, and while it isn't as frequent it still happens. Ranked progression is a joke. I'm 1800 Onyx and can win 10+ games in a row and get 5-10 points but lose 5+ per loss. Personal performance doesn't seem to affect it at all and frankly it should just be a flat amount one way or the other. Map selection is pretty bad. Behemoth is way too large to be in 4v4. The respawns make it feel like the game is constantly favoring the loser which isn't fun; let players be punished for losing fights or getting wiped. Flag on Bazaar and Behemoth are atrocious because you have to slay them, get to the flag, and then slay them again before you can leave their base because they spawned at the halfway point. I'm tired of spawning back A on Live Fire, taking five steps to back cap the point, and then having an enemy player spawn right behind me. They're working on the lack of game modes but the fact that this wasn't an oversight but rather an intended system design has really made me lose faith in their ability to curate content in a respectable way. The melee system is absolute trash. Three shot beat downs suck, lunges work half the time, when you get melee'd it launches you back as well as your opponent, completely disengaging them from it. Sometimes the aim assist feels like it just completely disables itself.\n\nA lot to complain about, but there are always gripes with balance. I'm way more upset about the map variety, lack of playlists, and monetization decisions they've gone with than I am the spawning or melees. That's the trend though with AAA companies lately, and it just sucks to see Halo falling even further into the trap. Behind all the crap is a truly fun game, and six months down the road, maybe a year at the most, it will be a very fun game. How relevant it will be remains to be seen. The game has always been community driven and the fact that Forge is 6-9 months out and there is no custom game browser really sucks. It feels like MCC is much more innovative and groundbreaking than Infinite is, which sucks.", "He’s turned apathy into comedy and people love it for some weird reason", "Do you normally replay games only a couple weeks after release?", "10/10", "Who is Joe?", "Yes.", "Joe Mama :D\n\n\n\n\n\nThis comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!\n\n[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(\|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(\|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(\|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)", "I take it the increasingly poor netcode hasn't reared its head for you? It's ruined the multiplayer for me and im gonna wait for a fix to play again.", "The Brute at the laser can be cheesed pretty easily though. You can pile up the fusion coils in the room in the spot he starts the fight at. Bring a rocket launcher with you and kill him in .5 seconds as soon as the encounter begins.", "Are you young?", "I'm right there with you, uninstalled. It does feel bad to play now and strangely is getting worse.", "Fuck the halo sub. It's filled with idiots and teenagers who nothing about anything and want the game to stay a broken unfinished mess.", "There is an option in the settings to return it normal.", "You can just change the controls for it in the options and return it to the old way.", "Master Chief is the highest enlisted rank", "Older than you probably", "What the fuck.", "I'm 33.", "You mean the weapon that took a while to charge produced a laser and made a loud noise? Ya I'll take that over the spike canon", "Granted this is just btb. The more core game modes are still certainly worth playing. The moment to moment gameplay is as good as its been since halo 3", "That’s a great idea haha. But I was mostly complaining about the other hammer brute boss. Such fun and variety when you can’t even tell which boss people are taking about.", "I should really be annoyed that there was no spoiler warning on this post…. But after hearing what happens in the game, I’m not even bothered anymore.", "Haven't played it (Halo i) but is it trying to like listening to the old recordings in Bioshock Infinite? I enjoyed those.", "Infinite's story was just 343i nuking 5's plotline as fast as possible. It's incredibly clumsy and was done just to get it over with so it can move on", "After beating the game in a week I couldn't help but think \"that was it?\" ...", "I’d hug you", "Did you not get any of the forerunner collectibles? They cover like 95% of this", "I haven't touched a Halo game since 3, but watching this makes me think the series has lost its way. The first three were linear, and that was a strong feature that made them feel the amazing way they felt. The music would rise and fall with the areas you entered. Everything doesn't have to be open-world.\n\nImagine how disappointing it would be if the next god of war game borrowed heavily from Assassin's Creed because everything has to be open-world nowadays.", "More weapons? I thought the game already had so many weapons and all the different ammo types, so I ended up mostly just using 4 different weapons throughout the game. \n\nJust out of curiosity: what more weapons are you thinking of?", "Lol controller aim assist is good but not game breaking.\n\nAt least, I was still able to climb to Onyx in the crossplay queue without much of a problem on PC with m/kb.", "https://youtu.be/mBvWZjoW06k - Through the Trees - Halo Infinite\n\nIt’s a piece of music that’s been in almost every Halo game.", "Great", "I think it messes with the controls of other stuff though, like the warthog :/", "The villain in this game is a caricature of r/imverybadass . He spent the entire game talking shit to you through holograms and cheesy one dimensional dialogue. Also I hated the whole thing with the master chief simping over an AI.", "The blade master felt like a Dark Souls boss. It took me 20 tries to kill him on NORMAL, and I did it accidentally by spamming grenades.", "Skill up had a similar review (he posts pretty good ones if you like watching them). But I’ve enjoyed multiplayer aside from the progression/armor system and the campaign can be fun when things are going crazy but there is definitely an emptiness to it", "Halo Infinite had to spend a lot of its story apologizing for and pushing Halo 5's story out of the way. Hopefully now that that's done, we can move onto more interesting stuff. So long a 343 doesn't do what they always do and drop yet another storyline in favor of something else new.", "I like Anime, I didn't like this lol.", "I get your overall point and the fact of the matter is that 343 definitely is making a lot of assumptions about the playerbase's knowledge of Halo Wars. But Atriox literally picks chief up by the neck and as the camera pans to a close-up shot of his face he says the exact words \"My name is Atriox\". You just were not paying attention", "Halo died after Reach IMO", "Plasma rifle, og shotgun, beam rifle, smg, and some of the legendary weapons from Halo 5 are just of the top of my head. I know there are weapons that are similar for example that new jackal sniper replaces beam rifle but I think they handle differently enough to add both of them.", "It has a little something for everyone.", "This means a lot coming from the guy with the current world record on Bowsers Big Bean Burrito.", "The Arby renaissance happened during Halo 3. Upon Halo 2's launch, people were super divisive about spending half the campaign away from the chief.", "That's dangerous, though. Enough years without a promotion and you're discharged!", "I would even say they did exceptional when considering how rough the development of this game was. Anything less than a disaster was already more that people have expected. \nI think the move to delay the game for another year instead of releasing it with the new Xbox Series S/X was the best move.", "The main bummer was the music. It just barely doesn't quite make it to Marty O'D levels of greatness. Also the wasp is no fun at all.", "My hope is that they will use the engine and game as a platform for additional campaigns. Fingers crossed that they get wise and make a new ODST. Imagine being able to drop onto Zeta Halo.", "And Sekiro. And Doom Eternal.", "Getting to Onyx doesn't mean anything dude, you don't lose MMR/rank points whatever. \n\nThat's part of what I meant when I posted \"the ranked ladder is a joke\". The ladder starts in Onyx.", "What are you going him about? Maniac.", "If you lose games and have negative kdr you will absolutely lose rank. I know several people who are stuck in silver lmao, you just have to be bad to derank.\n\nYou're right that Onyx isn't that hard to hit, 343 released the ranked distribution and Onyx 1500 is only top 4%. Getting to top 2% is usually a pretty big challenge, and then the next milestone after that is top 0.5%, which I'm assuming is in the realm of 2k mmr.\n\nAnyway, my point is just that the aim assist isn't that big of a deal. Yeah it has its advantages, but m/kb also has its own advantages, and I think it balances out in the grand scheme.", "Still not that into as I was when I was a kid, but thank you for the heads up.", "I read Fall of Reach, First Strike, The Flood, then Contact Harvest, but then I stopped trying to keep up when I bought Ghosts of Onyx and couldn't really get into it. That was all around 05-08\n\nHalo 4 comes out and starts referencing the books, and I was just... not interested in trying to catch up with all of the books I've missed. \n\nI ended up enjoying story beats in Halo 4, but mainly the character-centric stuff. Master Chief and Cortana's relationship, the Infinity, Halsey, the new Spartans, that stuff was interesting. The big bad evil guy was boring, the librarian was uninteresting... Really I just wish they hadn't gone all-in on the forerunners. I preferred them being mysterious and extinct. \n\nWhat 343 should have done, IMO, is make the shield world in Halo 4 autonomous and have the story be about Chief, Cortana, and the Infinity trying to just escape it. I liked the composer and the prometheans, too. The big climax should have been Cortana having to assimilate herself into the shield world to shut it down, dying (or \"dying\") in the process. The Didact was just... utterly boring. And man, I tried. But if I have to read the books to get the message, you've failed to tell the story properly. This is a video game franchise with cross-media stories, not a cross-media franchise with video games. Chose a primary medium and support it* with your books, films, etc. \n\nHalo 5, meanwhile, failed at literally every point. Every time they established an interesting location or idea, they just... ferried us off to another location. The colony being run by a mad AI? COOL! Stay there for more than 5 minutes. Make that the focus of the story, and then branch off into your \"AI rebellion\" narrative. \n\nHunting the Chief? COOL, start THERE, and make it a legitimate mystery so that when we finally get into Chief's shoes it feels weighty and significant. I like Mike Coulter, but he was given dick-all to work with so he's like Lando Tucker from Futurama, whose only personality was vague determination. \n\nThe civil war on the elite homeworld? FUCK ME what a cool setting for a campaign, DO THAT. \n\nHalo Infinite seems to be heavily focusing on characters, and that's working for me so far (Haven't finished it yet) but I'm afraid that we're not about to get a satisfying conclusion to any of the plot threads that 343 started us on. I hope we are going to get more story DLC, or a secondary campaign, or something. They have a solid base with a great sandbox, so if they just released more stories set on Zeta, but on like different regions of the ring, that would be perfect. \n\nWere it so easy...", "Mister chief throws barrels just like donkey kong!", "Even Doom Eternal has way better movement with the grapple than Halo", "Except we're all wanting the story to be either the main focus or equal to multiplayer. \n\nAnd when multiplayer is free and the campaign is full price... We're buying the campaign only. So no excuses.", "I agree with him. The combat and gameplay is awesome and is the real reason to keep coming back.\n\nThe story is kind of just a mess though. It's so confusing and hard to follow. I don't want to have to be a scholar in Halo lore just to enjoy the campaign...", "> but I see people praising this game like the second-coming of Christ.\n\nI'm guessing you haven't been to r/halo then...", "I skip them, but for a different reason. So far 7 out of 10 times that I encounter one of these diaries, I IMMEDIATELY hit the next button or other trigger for a dialogue sequence and the diary gets interrupted. \n\nIn a game like Bioshock, it seems like they always place the diary entries away from story triggers. But here, it seems like it's always REALLY close to them. So instead of listening to the diary while I travel to the next location, I either have to stop and wait (which is boring) or I have to wait until later and play them all in order (which is what I plan to do). \n\nODST did a better job of this, but I still ran into the issue several times.", "Have you not played Halo Reach? That game is fantastic, and was also developed by Bungie.", "Ding ding ding", "I think it helped that they were less \"audio diary\" and more \"Radio Drama\" with bits of environmental noise, multiple characters, etc.", "Youtube got rid of the dislikes, so he does what he wants now!", "Love both if those games, but their grappling hooks don't even come close to the freedom of movement the one in Halo gives.", "Right, enlisted. People are saying he should become an NCO or Admiral or something. \n\nBut we know that he wants to keep fighting.", "I keep hitting the left bumper and throwing grenades on accident because I expect to be able to grapple with both hands, like Spider-Man.", "Yeah you more or less echo my feelings, even though I barely got into 5.", "Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The transitions into the gameplay as you uncovered the mystery was a cool mechanic as well. Damn that game was good.", "I haven’t collected all of them as of yet. Will probably give them a listen in full when I got them all. The problem is that a game’s campaign should never have to rely on collectibles in order to tell it’s story. That’s just bad story-telling!\n\nAudio logs should only expand on the lore, not make it a required crutch where if the player doesn’t collect 95% of before the final mission, they are left confused when the credits roll. Halo CE, 2, 3 and ODST terminals worked best in this regard since the stories of those games never relied on those terminals to tell a complete story.", "You fucked up by boycotting reach", "Laziest reviewer out there. All his serious content is annoyingly inaccurate/not researched.\n\nSome of these criticism of the story are just untrue, like there’s lots of cutscenes both ingame and some pre-rendered just like any other halo game. There is no retconing of other games, it seems like he just didn’t understand the story. \nAlso it feels like he hasn’t played all the other games in the series (at least not recently enough to remember) based on a lot of things he said", "Song is Through the Trees on the sound track.", "Sign up for a free email of your choosing. Outlook or gmail is fine.\n\nSign up for the 3 month trial of gamepass for $1/£1.\n\nImmediately cancel the trial.\n\nLogin to the xbox app/xbox console on your pc/xbox using your new email and download anything/everything.\n\nSign back into your main and have the full versions of all the software you downloaded.\n\nRinse and repeat every three months.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEnjoy the entire gamepass catalogue for $4/£4 a year. Or just do it once if theres nothing else you want over the course of the year.", "The audio logs suck ass. I swear that almost all of the Banished ones I found and bothered to listen to were just non-stop gushing about how cool and smart Atriox was. They told me literally nothing and I stopped listening to Banished ones after the first 7-8", "Yeah but it's almost like that doesn't matter because you can't make evasive maneuvers in a truck", "I'm glad he worked for you. He just seemed so cheesy to me. Just always doing the exact same thing \"I'm really really going to hurt you.\" \"You're going to regret how much I'm going to hurt you\" \"I'm really mean. You don't want to mess with me buddy!\".\n\nJust kept repeating the who thing over and over again. Honestly, They were just trying way, way too hard.", "Joe Staten, lead writer, and co-creator of Halo.", "bring back among us tuesdays.", "The people praising this game couldn't give a shit about the campaign, the multiplayer is where it's at for the majority of people.", ">aim assist isn't that big of a deal.\n\n[The top 100 M/KB players are barely better than the average controller user when it comes to accuracy %.](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r3es60/accuracy_stats_for_kbm_vs_controller/)\n\nIt's a literal aimbot. I've plugged in a controller and used it, it's absurd, and the data backs that up.", "Oh damn, really? That changes everything. Thanks!", "Yeah i know it is overrated.", "I feel like I'm in the overwhelming minority that really loves this game. I bought an X1 just before it was supposed to come out and that was like 4 years ago. Now I'm on a whole different console an feeling like it was worth the wait!", "Plus, wouldnt he make a pretty terrible admiral?\n \nHes been a living weapon basically since the day he was born, able to comand a few people and rip through covenant with his bare hands sure, but how much training has he had in fleet logistics? Personnel management?", "Good point, yeah. The spartans are all extremely intelligent, but are very much soldiers first.", "So....you haven't played much halo then? Warthogs fuckin fly in the right hands", "I try to void subs dedicated to a specific game franchises with known toxic communities. So yeah; haven't been there.", "Drop the ravager & pulse plasma rifle, bring back the SMG and rework the stalker rifle to be more like the original beam rifle. Most of the existing guns feel redundant to something else (like the skewer seems like a specific sniper for vehicles which... seems a little useless)\n\nTo me at least, it seems like the power weapons don't feel like power weapons. Not in the same way that there was a clear difference in the older halo games. Like, the Hydra has a much lower chance to win a fight against a BR in multiplayer than a rocket. A skewer is a one shot in the body but if you miss you're screwed vs the sniper which can pop two rounds off in the chest and still have 2 more left for a second kill. The weapon design just isn't good for multiplayer.", "So I’ve been told but in my defense I had just acquired my 3rd red ring and was actually done with Microsoft at that time", "I have not but at that time I had just had my 3rd Xbox red ring so I switched to PlayStation for years", "Accuracy %, while seemingly an important stat, isn't the end-all that you make it out to be.\n\nThe stat that actually matters is winrate, and there is no evidence that shows using a controller contributes to a higher winrate over m/kb players.\n\nAnd if you actually believe controller is as OP as you think it is, there is a m/kb-only queue, so why don't you play that?", "Not faster than a reticle", "Boring campaign.", "They’ve never known a game to be a completed masterpiece from launch. In the era of updates, no AAA developer is going to spend the extra money on testing and analysis when they can have the masses do it for free…", "If you can, I'd play it. It is a great swan song for the series. To date the best campaign in my view.", "Is there a way to play on the new Xbox?", ">The stat that actually matters is winrate, and there is no evidence that shows using a controller contributes to a higher winrate over m/kb players.\n\nIf you can prove to me that having a higher accuracy doesn't improve your winrate I'll take your comment seriously. This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.", "This is exactly how I beat it on legendary. Somehow manage to kill all adds and jump up and down the balcony for that fat bastard", "The bones of it are so good though. Grapplehook is such a game changer", "If you have the level of nostalgia that a lot of people have for golden era Halo 1-3, playing Infinite actually does feel like the second coming of Christ sometimes. Ive only played multiplayer but it makes me feel like a kid again, and for that alone i think the hype is justified.", "Halo Infinite is like real estate in a gentrifying area of a city. \"It needs a lot of work, but it has good bones.\"", "The skewer is very important as a replacement to the spartan laser that isn’t as broken towards vehicles.", "Yes get the Master Chief collection it has every campaign. It’s in gamepass or probably cheap otherwise.", "Not defending 5 at all, but I think it’s interesting that you mention Cortana being a villain as something no one would be interested in. She was actually planned to go evil in CE waaay back in the day if you watch any of the old dev “behind the scenes” stuff.", "So stick to the m/kb queue pussy, let the rest of us shit on controller players in peace.\n\nAccuracy doesn't mean shit when I tap them in the back", "I was low key too. I was just hoping for 31 Dunkeu videos. He’s so damn genuinely funny.", "It also includes ODST, which is also a really great campaign.", "But in USD that's only like 500 bucks", "I don’t think the skewer is the answer. If anything it’s worse, only because at least with the laser you can see it coming and from which direction so you can try and drive or fly to some cover. With the skewer it’s a pretty quick projectile with no warning and it’ll affect your drive or flight path. All they have to do is cut the laser damage in half and that’s all. \n\nI get that with Halo 5 the gun choice got way out of hand but what we have now feels like like an over correction. Mangler is like a slower pistol, shotgun is awful, and most of the time I find myself resorting to the sidekick in pretty much any multiplayer game type that isn’t fiesta or big team. The devs said they wanted each weapon to have a unique feel and specific use cases to reduce redundancy but it’s resulted in a slew of underpowered and not fun guns that are never a “better” choice than what you spawn with.", "The Elite ones were much more fun/interesting than the brute ones, for sure. The Elites have more nuance and arent quite as bullet spongey because they can cloak and hide. The brutes don't have any redeeming qualities so are a chore to fight. \n\nAnd of course Escherem gets a turbo boost when he's nearly dead and holding a weapon that you're trained to know slows you down when wielding, so it's a bit of a double fuck you to have that trick pulled at the end of his fight.", "Interesting. As I don't do multiplayer, I have no clue about the balance there, but I believe you and it kind of fits my experience from campaign play.\n\nI disliked the Stalker rifle (beam sniper?) as it just feels like it does no damage. Buy I actually liked the skewer, especially to kill hunters or other beefy enemies, or even vehicles. \n\nAbout the SMG: I was actually wondering why there was none in the game. Generally, there were plenty of weapons I tried a few times during campaign play and promptly discarded them. So I used 3-4 weapons for 90% of my playthrough.", "There’s no way a single person could create such high quality content every single day. Some of his videos are brimming with expert level editing, cinematography, voice over work, choreography, sound design, and more. Without a dedicated team of at least 10 people working around the clock, it would be impossible to release videos every day, unless Dunkey allowed for a reduction in the quality of his videos, but as we know, that would never happen.", "Yeah I don't know why they used the Banished without introducing them but then also why did they have Atriox best chief in the opening only for him to not be the primary antagonist. It would have made more sense for him to be the one baiting you and talking about his victory instead we get 'some other brute' while Atriox is just gone for the rest of the story.\n\nI certainly could have been paying more attention during that opening but his introduction is literally just that, he says his name and is gone.", "Cyberpunk really underlines that story development - hell, even asset development and graphical development (so cutscenes in theory) can exist totally separate from gameplay.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEither they didn't have the developers or dev hours to put towards solid cut scenes, or the story was changing too much and too close to deadline for it to be a thing.", "It's less that she went evil and more they resurrected her to turn her evil after the events of 4. If she had turned in CE that could have worked and would have fit with Bungies track record of AI rampancy from Marathon.", ">\tThere is no retconing of other games, it seems like he just didn’t understand the story. \n\nHe means in the sense they are just trying to ignore it and pretend it didn’t happen so they can start a new story which is exactly what it is \n\nInfinite is a sequel to a game that we never got, and are just told in cutscenes “oh yeah that all happened but it doesn’t matter anymore also he’s the next big baddies for the galaxy the flood 2.0”", "They don’t though the events of halo 5 (and 4 somewhat) are what set up halo infinite", "Yes they do, the events talked about in Infinite don’t happen in any game lol \n\nHalo 5 leaves on a big cliffhanger on how we will take Cortana down and stop her/the other AI friends it’s just hand waved away as “eh she ded and here’s the new big bad enemy” \n\nLmao Chief even mentions how she came to Earth and wrecked a head UNSC base in Sydney for not bowing down to her then it took everything for UNSC to survive.\n\nBut don’t worry evil Cortana got dealt with off screen now we have Cortana 2.0 and we are fighting flood 2.0", "There’s no “flood 2.0” we have no idea what the endless are and they are not in this campaign. \nAfter completing the game I am not so sure the Cortana thing was actually resolved off screen. I have a strong feeling we will still either be dealing with her or fragments of her in the future, just like we will be dealing with aatreox and the endless. This is clearly meant as the beginning chapter of a new story and beginnings can be good.\n\nEither way the Cortana situation isn’t really resolved considering it’s lead to a mass genocidal weapon in the hands of essentially radical terrorists.", ">\tThere’s no “flood 2.0” we have no idea what the endless are and they are not in this campaign. \n\nThe flood was the big evil of the galaxy, the endless will now be that so they don’t have to re use the flood.\n\n>\tAfter completing the game I am not so sure the Cortana thing was actually resolved off screen. I have a strong feeling we will still either be dealing with her or fragments of her in the future, \n\nNot sure how you got to that conclusion after playing the game, it outright tells you she’s dead and the weapon is now called Cortana.\n\n>\tThis is clearly meant as the beginning chapter of a new story and beginnings can be good.\n\nNobody said it can’t be good, they are saying the disregarded the last game and made Infinite a sequel to a game that was never made", "It completely disregards the events of the game before which had to happen for the events of it to happen. You may not like what the game chose to address but it is not at all ignoring the last games.", "Lmao fanboys are so dense", "look man halo 5 is dog shit, but definitely not retconned or ignored. At a bare minimum halo 5 is an explanation of why you have to be a one-man army all the time and the UNSC is useless.\n\nWe dont know that the endless are a big bad to the universe. All we know is that the forerunners and Cortana did not like them. The forerunners and cortana weren't exactly perfect.", "It is objectively ignored if you weren’t a blind fanboy you’d see that like everyone else does \n\nHave a good day, hope you can get rid of that bias someday", "You’ve never watched anime if you think that’s the common type of villain in it. It’d be an anime villain if it was a melodramatic pretty boy with long hair, this dude is an Marvel Movie Villain", "If the players are forced to research \"deep lore\" and make up actually good interpretations for it, then you failed at story telling in your game and so criticism against its story is valid.", "The problem isn't the story being simple, imo. Simple is fine.\n\nThe problem is that the story is told in the least exciting way. It is just audiologs and exposition throughout the whole thing, with the last boss teasing you and this fucking guy just sneering at you and acting like a children's cartoon villain.\n\nThe story is fine, the way they tell it that kind of sucked. In a way, it was a sharp opposite of Halo 4 and 5, where they had this ridiculously stupid and convoluted story, but it got told in a cool and exciting way where you feel like you are a part of the story rather than just an spectator being told the story.", "Was the final battles when you're in those unsc bunkers the worst on legendary? After I beat that on heroic I was good god this would be annoying on legendary.", "That's good to know! I'll give it a go.", "Yeah I haven't beaten the game yet but hearing people talk about more hammer brute bosses really makes me wish there was more than just fast elite bullet sponges and fast brute bullet sponges. The fight with the guilty spark unit where you blow the guns off his suit was a nice change of pace.", "Yeah that’s why i said if you know", "Ok word. I have game pass and downloaded it at one point but only fucked with H1,2,3", "ODST is sick af. It’s like a noir investigation w a lot more freedom than prior campaigns. 10000% worth it. Reach is also Bungies last campaign and is excellent. Def worth it.", "Early PC gamers had CSGO, Quake, and LOL they had underground scenes but nobody really knew about online games until Xbox Live and Halo LOL ‘05- ‘10 was the Mainstream birth of eSports." ]	423	videos	Halo Infinite (dunkview)
https://youtu.be/i_VsgT5gfMc	/r/videos/comments/rlnq8b/coffeezilla_interviews_the_man_who_built_nftbay/	[ "tl;dr he lied, and is calling that art in itself.\n\nI think people are a bit full of themselves these days.", "tl;dw - When you purhcase an NFT, it allows you to decode a location in the blockchain that contains a hyperlink to a photo. You don't own the photo, nor do you own the hyperlink. You own the key that allows you to decode the hyperlink.", "So basically it's a hyperlink instead of Bitcoin?", "I really enjoyed this interview, I watched it last night when he posted it originally.", "Basically, or a hash for a hosted generator to produce the image for you. In any case, once the hoster dies, all of those pictures are gone and can be replaced with something else. \n\nPeople say that the owners of nfts will keep the hoster going in that case, since they'd lose their property if the hoster died. That, to me, is very hypothetical.", "The irony of NFTs just being nothing more than links to centrally hosted images is akin to finding out that Bitcoins are nothing more than prepaid Visa gift cards.\n\nEdit: Apparently I have to explicitly state that the above comment is a joke. I thought that was obvious. My bad.", "Actually most (all?) NFTs will let anyone see the link without needing to purchase anything.", "That’s a lot of words for I have no idea what either of them are", "Wait is this for real? 😂\n\nI thought it was basically an entry in the blockchain that a wallet or person has ‘rights’ to a digital thing, e.g. video, image, etc. And theoretically you can verify if someone using an NFT is the owner, but also theoretically you don’t have to care since there’s no enforcement. But I didn’t know the digital thing was actually a link to something stored somewhere, and not just a record on the immutable block chain.\n\nHow do you “use” an NFT without publicly exposing the link or the media?\n\nAnd where do these NFT central links point to? Is there some NFT gatekeeper out there", "Every time I read your post I find another word used incorrectly. It takes skill to be that wrong.", "I thought most people were aware that you're just supposed to be buying the rights to the image not the actual image itself, so it has resale value because it's a transfer of rights. Of course people can copy the image, just as you can copy any image on the internet. NFTs aren't only for images too, it's unfortunate they've got that reputation now", "So Huntly rushed from working in his garden, threw on a crumpled shirt, and began the interview without even rinsing his hands. This actually raises my respect for him.", "You can definitely store the 'asset' (though whether the owner of the NFT owns the asset still requires additional licensing information) directly on the blockchain in an encrypted form that requires the NFT to decrypt.\n\nHowever, nobody does this because it's incredibly expensive to write a large amount of information to the blockchains. \nAs for where it's stored, the crappy ones store it on a hosted service. This would go poof once hosting fees stopped being paid by the creator of the token. AFAIK the better ones store it using IPFS, which is a kind of distributed internet filesystem that I've not bothered to look too far into.", "You're not buying the right to the image either. If someone post it, you can't file a copyright notice. NFTs seem less than useless.", "You realize I was joking right? I'm well aware that Bitcoins aren't just Visa gift cards and that NFTs are (depending on the implementation) not necessarily just links to centrally hosted images, although they can be, and frankly, besides the fact that IPFS is decentralized the analogy isn't that far off. I was just trying to have a bit of fun due to how much the people in the interview were acting let down by the fact that many NFTs are \"just links\".", "I forgot to mark my sarcasm.", "Legal rights to the image depend on the terms upon sale - which can vary. For example:\n\n\"“Only limited personal non-commercial use and resale rights in the NFT are granted and you have no right to license, commercially exploit, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works, publicly perform, or publicly display the NFT or the music or the artwork therein. All copyright and other rights are reserved and not granted.”\"\n\nThe terms and stipulations depend very much on the NFT you're buying (and the smart contract therein). There's also a caveat that the terms and the smart contract sometimes do not match - so what's code-enforcable isn't necessarily legal-enforcable.", "Geoffrey in the video says something like \"some of the nfts come with copyrights\" (it's at 16:15 in the video). Usually it's up to the seller to provide copyright with the nft, in the form of them verifying the address of the nft is the original for people as needed. People have sold houses using nfts so it is definitely possible. Obviously though some people don't provide this verification so in that case people are just buying a copy, but the responsibility is on the buyer to confirm that they're buying a legitimate nft\n\nEdit: added timestamp where he says that yes some NFTs have copyright", "Yeah it's probably not legally enforceable right now because there's no regulations etc. But people are still using it as a legitimate transfer of ownership. Like how Jack Dorsey sold his first tweet for $3m as an NFT. People can still copy it but there's an agreement between jack and the person he sold it to recorded on the blockchain, where there's no such agreement between him and anyone that copied it. Someone buying that nft then can check the address to ensure they're buying the actual tweet instead of a fake", "tl;dw\n\nAlso didn't catch any lies in there. I guess this guy just ruffled your feathers. How many NFTs are you hodling?", "1) I hold no NFTs; they're an obvious scam\n\n2) The lie is that he didn't 'steal' any NFTs, that is what the whole video is about?? Hello?", "Yeah but in those cases, it's the copyright itself that does all the lifting. The nft on top of that doesn't do anything.", "Yeah, that's where it all falls apart for me. If it's a.) only-sometimes-legally-binding, b.) not-very-enforceable, then at best it functions as:\n\n - a spreadsheet row \n - on a spreadsheet owned by an independent party,\n - that's sometimes* legally recognized,\n - and is enforced on terms that may or may not reflect the legal stipulations.\n\nAt worst, it's as good as a non-binding verbal agreement.", "Can somebody tldw what an NFT is for me please", "No he explicitly said that problem with that system is that you can theoretically download any kinds of images from that blockchain. Gore, Child.p, you name it. There is nothing illegal technically what he did", "I mean he didn't lie. He has a backup of the blockchain.\n\nWhile the title is clickbaity for sure. The message brings to light what do you actually own when you buy an NFT?", "Veve", "No, the average layperson has absolutely no idea how an NFT works or what they're purchasing. They're being exploited by a proof of concept that's dead on arrival. \n\nAny legitimate transaction will have a corresponding physical legal document which makes the NFT itself redundant.", "dude needs to clean his finger nails.", "What does it mean to buy a tweet or to buy a fake tweet?", "NFTs in their current form are crap. However the question they attempt to address: \"How does one confirm originality/authenticity in a purely digital medium?\" Is a good one.", "GameStop.", "Thats nothing inherent to NFTs tho. Thats something that has to be done extra", "Just right click and save picture", "The images are not centrally hosted, which makes matters even worse.", "Were NFTs created to show how bullshit crypto has gotten? Is it all just a big satire that people have gotten swept up in?", "I think it would hold up in court. Hypothetically, if there was a seller of an NFT and a buyer that agreed on the contract address of the NFT and a 3rd person with an NFT that looked identical but had a different contract address sued them for some reason claiming they actually owned it then there is digital proof that the original buyer owns it\n\nIf you have a look at GET token it has a different use case where they're using NFTs as tickets, like the tickets you'd buy at a concert https://www.get-protocol.io/. It then becomes essentially impossible for someone to forge a concert ticket as both GET and the ticket buyer have a unique id with a timestamp assigned to it, so even if someone copied the address the timestamp and other metadata would be incorrect", "There is nothing moral or ethical about NFTs, at multiple levels. Never participate in them.", "Documents can be forged though. I think that's the point of using the blockchain. It also prevents people selling forgeries because the blockchain records the originator of the rights. I shared this in another comment but GET token is a good example of a use case of NFTs that isn't just images or videos https://www.get-protocol.io. It's a digtital ticketing system and has been used at over 100 events already. If a layperson does no research that's not really the fault of the technology, they should be aware that images can be copied", "There are already better ways to do that though. Most commonly, you can sign data using public/private key pairs, where you sign using a private key and the data can be authenticated using your public key, or vice versa.", "I agree that people should have a way for their digital art to be protected, but my buying the rights to access it is also dumb. Because I don't actually own it still, the artist does", "One has resale value and other other doesn't", "You didn’t answer my questions. What does it mean to buy a tweet? What does it mean to buy a fake tweet?", "Yeah it can be done traditionally. Using the blockchain though is an increase in security and decentralising the proof of purchase so the transaction between two parties can't be adjusted after it happens", "As I said, NFTs are crap. I dont think your described idea is a solution to the question posed either though.", "This is what I understand NFTs to be. The author of the work creates an NFT by signing it with its private key, and a record of this event is kept in the blockchain. Selling an NFT consists of the NFT owner using their private key to sign a transaction such that ownership is transferred to the new owner. The information about this transaction is also stored in the blockchain.", "Well yes, that's the point. The NFT doesn't accomplish anything that, say, a signed legal contract wouldn't do. The only purpose it has is to digitize it.", "Lol. Until “big tech” disables the ability to screen cap stuff.", "Where are they hosted? Video said it could be Google servers or any servers.", "Could be anywhere. Depends on the NFT.", "An NFT is, effectively, digital certificate of authenticity that is validated and recorded through the blockchain.", "It is a \"smart contract\" that verifies that the item you own is legitimate. \n\nIt has actual uses, for example if you were to sell someone a house and signed it digitally, and some sort of dispute arose but your copy of the contract got destroyed somehow, you could point to the NFT as proof that you did actually purchase it.\n\nBut what people THINK it does is give them ownership of something by itself. All it really is, in the end, is a confirmation code. It's like if you bought the Mona Lisa, and then they told you \"well it's still going to be held in the Louvre and you can't move it or do anything with it, but here's a piece of paper that says you own it\"", "I think this does reveal a point that a lot of people don't realize about NFTs, but it's not really the gotcha they think it is to someone who owns something like a punk or an ape. Those people generally understand that what they bought is the crypto equivalent of a receipt, saying \"X bought this Punk\", but they use that receipt for status. \n\nIt's like a rich person buying a Picasso and donating it to a museum. They still get to be the person who bought and donated that painting, even though they don't have a Picasso in their house, they don't own the Picasso, and everyone can right click and save a JPEG of the Picasso.", "TLDR, as I understand it, NFTs are just a way of having an official registry of who the owner is. \n\nThe physical image isn't stored there. It never was. Just the list of previous owners and the current owner. \n\nFor a really oversimplified analogy, imagine the NFT blockchain as a Notepad.txt file that you can add new lines of text to, but can't ever remove past lines. And the \"official NFT text file\" just says things like the following:\n\n> 12/20/2021: Owner of \"Official Reddit Logo NFT\" is Bob.\n\n\n> 12/21/2021: Update! Bob sold \"Official Reddit Logo NFT\" to Sara.\n\nThat's it. There is no image stored in the blockchain, just ownership transactions. It works because the chain of custody can't ever be deleted. Theoretically, a decade in the future you could still open up the NFT blockchain and follow the ownership of any particular NFT all the way through time to see who officially has ownership of it at any time.", "The traditional legal contract wouldn't be decentralized though, as in, there wouldn't be numerous copies around the world of that contract created at the time when it was signed. It becomes pretty much impossible to forge documents like that. So it's adding extra security. On top of that it's keeping a list of all documents so they're easier to search and standardizing the way they're recorded", "That will never work since, worst comes to worst, you could always just physically take a photo of your monitor.", "Just because I didn’t watch this doesn’t mean I’m not laughing (at NFTers).", "one comes from the creator of that tweet and the other does not, thereby giving one resale value (if any) and leaving the other with no resale value, assuming a buyer does verify what they're buying\n\nEdit: if you're talking about you're buying the ownership, when you buy land you're not technically buying the ownership, you're buying the rights to use that land. It's a similar thing", "I doubt it. NFTs existed before Bitcoin, in the form of MERS and other \"private registries\". You can look through the history of that to see just how stupid these kinds of arrangements can get -- no crypto required.", "You still haven’t answered any of my questions. What does it mean to buy a tweet?", "That's literally what this is.", "I mean, art is still protected by copyrights anyways. Anyone is free to transfer copyrights to their images to any other person by almost literally just saying \"It's yours now\". An NFT does nothing in this situation because the actual art is still out there. And people are producing the art solely for making NFTs. The art itself is secondary in almost every case.", "It's likely that games will be created in the future through the nft process. This will allow games to retain value through a reselling secondary market, which will allow the original creators of said game to gain a percentage of the resale amount. \n\n It is also likely that the stock market will be replaced by buying nfts from a company as a share instead of going through the New York stock exchange or privately owned brokers who are ripping off Americans and have been ripping them off for decades now.\n\nIt seems like it's going to be the next advancement in technology, and everyone is always distrusting In the early days. People said the exact same things about the internet back in the 90s, as well as buying goods online.", "Actually it's closer to how the stock market works. You buy shares in a company, which does make you a partial owner. If the company does well your stock value goes up and you make more money.\n\nIt's likely that this process will end up replacing the stock market, since it is a trustless system that cannot be abused because anyone can see all the different transactions through the blockchain.\n\nNo more fuckery from Wall Street, and no more fuckery from anyone.", "Nfts are the digital equivalent to shares in the stock market in relationship to companies.", "Signing a publicly known piece of data doesn’t impart any amount of ownership or uniqueness. If the data is public, anyone can sign a copy of it.", "You are straight up making shit up.", "Don't you need to actually have the information related to the NFT to verify this though? What if someone dies and they bought digital art from someone on Craigslist who minted their own NFT, and there isn't any real record online from the seller because they are unknown, and the buyer kept all information related to it (besides a screenshot posted to Facebook) stored in a hardware wallet that got tossed in the bin after they died?\n\nWouldn't filing actual copyright paperwork and storing it in a proper database achieve the same result in terms of backing up the information and having it available anywhere (being able to search databases of copyrights)? I just don't see the real value in having this as the backbone of digital art, when this digital art in itself is solely being created for the NFT.", "Sorry, but i'm not sure what answer you want. Can you just tell me your point ?", "Bitcoin/blockchain was the first to solve the paradox of creating artificial scarcity. How to you make something scarce when anyone can copy or poof another identical one into existance? Consensus.\n\nScarcity is decided by consensus of the people participating in the market. \n\nBlockchain is simply a method of securely and publicly keeping a ledger of that concensus.\n\nWe all agree Bob bought this then Joe purchased it. \n\nNFTs are simply a tracking ledger of titles in which there is consensus as to the authenticity of both the title and ledger the title is recorded on.\n\nHumans use consensus for lots of intangible things.\n\nPolitical and religious power reside where the consensus of the people say it is.", "You’re the one who brought up the concept of buying a tweet. I’m just asking what you mean by that. It’s a simple question if you aren’t completely full of shit.", "How is it impossible? You could just attach a forged document to the NFT and it would have the same effect. \n\nAll the NFT confirms is that the contract was signed, it doesn't confirm who or whether it was a legally binding contract or even legitimate to begin with. \n\nFor example, say I am a dummy and lose my phone, and I'm double dummy and forgot to add a password to it. Someone else picks it up, and uses my account to send an NFT to himself giving him the deed to my house. Obviously, that is forgery, but according to the blockchain it's \"verified\" with my digital signature. The same thing could occur with system access via virus, social engineering, or simply password reuse.\n\nIn addition, it makes revisions far more wasteful and inconvenient, as every single revision would have to be readded as a new NFT and verified through the blockchain which is both cost and energy prohibitive.", "Not the person you replied to here but, what exactly are you getting when you buy a tweet?\n\nEDIT: /u/physiologic had a good explanation that was enough for me:\n\n>I think this does reveal a point that a lot of people don't realize about NFTs, but it's not really the gotcha they think it is to someone who owns something like a punk or an ape. Those people generally understand that what they bought is the crypto equivalent of a receipt, saying \"X bought this Punk\", but they use that receipt for status.\n\n>It's like a rich person buying a Picasso and donating it to a museum. They still get to be the person who bought and donated that painting, even though they don't have a Picasso in their house, they don't own the Picasso, and everyone can right click and save a JPEG of the Picasso.", "Until big tech installs those “anti-photo” screens in monitors by default.\n\n(Jokes people)", "Well, yes but that's why NFTs (and more broadly blockchain as a technology) are somewhere between a scam and a nonsense. I describe blockchain as a solution looking for a problem, because outside the very specific case of anonymous (or in reality, pseudononymous) cryptocurrencies, almost all the supposed value is just from good old fashioned digital signing, like we've been able to do for about forty years.", "Thank you for this explanation.", "Blockchain doesn't inherently solve this. I can make and sell you an NFT for [reddit.com](https://reddit.com), even though I didn't build it and don't own it. For provenance of ownership, you still need to one way or another know that a public key used to verify a signature definitely in the real world belongs to the person you think it does, who created something.", "Game publishers, console makers, and even PC clients have gone out of their way to make reselling of games infinitely more difficult than 10 years ago. What makes you think they'd make their games resellable instead of forcing people to buy their own new copy?", "it says it in my original comment\n\n>you're just supposed to be buying the rights to the image not the actual image itself, so it has resale value because it's a transfer of rights.", "nfts could theoretically supplant other 'somewhere between a scam and nonsense' like collectors cards and digital licensing \n\nnot really a lot of companies are incentivised to use a blockchain to verify digital asset owenrship because they almost never benefit from the existence of secondary markets", "from my original comment\n\n>you're just supposed to be buying the rights to the image not the actual image itself, so it has resale value because it's a transfer of rights.", "I always thought it was like having a baseball card signed by Mickey Mantle.\n\nThe intrinsic value of the item doesn't change, you could have thousands of them out in the wild, but yours might be the only signed copy. Someone could take a picture of it, or photocopy it, share it on the web, doesn't matter.\n\nThe blockchain is what validates that this was indeed signed by Mickey Mantle, and not some neck beard in his basement.\n\nAm I wrong? People often laugh at NFT's and say \"I can just right click and save the image\", like sure, but [this image](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2405fadd144cc28d25162d7f78c59abb8dbf1bcb/c=0-44-949-1309/local/-/media/2018/04/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636598335974438040-IA01-1952-MANTLE-TOPPS-1297337.JPG?width=300&height=400&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp) won't [sell for $5.2 million dollars](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/01/14/1952-mickey-mantle-baseball-card-sells-record-price/6653563002/).", "Absolutely nothing. Jack got $3m and someone hopes to get more by convincing another sucker to buy it for more because it has some sort of value to them.", "> TLDR, as I understand it, NFTs are just a way of having an official registry of who the owner is.\n\nBut as the video pointed out, what do you actually \"own\" on the block chain. You own only a link, not the actual art.\n\nIf you owned the art, you could license it to others. You could modify it and resell the modification. But you don't have any of that.", "In this particular use case, I apologize - but I don't understand how NFTs are solving the problem in a way that a ledger (a database, or a docstore, etc) doesn't.\n\nIn fact, I would say that the GET protocol introduces privacy problems, as the record of ownership would be available to multiple people who have access to the chain. See their bullet point:\n\n Unrivalled data -\nClear, verifiable data on ticket ownership, vastly improving marketing efforts.", "I don’t see this quote in your original comment, and it does not appear to in any way address the meaning of buying a tweet.", "But you can't really stop people from replying to a tweet or quoting a tweet though. I guess the owner would be allowed to force Jack Dorsey to remove the tweet?", "they’ve been listening to too much Gary Vee 😂", "The only NFTs that I genuinely thought were cool/interesting is the art of Daniel Arsham, his eroding statues and cars are beautiful and I’d love to have those playing on a screen in my house.", "You could argue that there is no need, those are physical ideas and we don't need them in the digital world. But I don't think humanity is ready for that", "NFTs are literally not this.", "I mean, this isn’t my idea; it’s what has been and continues to be used in digital mediums to confirm authenticity. Every time you visit a webpage, your browser confirms authenticity of the webpage in this manner.", "\"People said the exact same thing about the internet\"\n\nIf everything that's hyped as the next internet was the next internet...\n\nThat's not an argument, it's hopium.", ">they don't own the Picasso, and everyone can right click and save a JPEG of the Picasso\n\nThe actual Picasso still exists in the museum though. Don't conflate actual, finite physical goods with infinitely reproducible digital pieces.", "Yes, blockchains make extensive use of public key cryptography. The above claim was that public key cryptography alone can prove uniqueness, which it can’t.", "I'm not sure. But if the buyer of the tweet wanted to sell the tweet then Jack Dorsey and the new buyer are both able to confirm that the contract address of the original NFT he sold is the one about to be sold", "Because nobody has ever gotten around DRM, ever.", "With stocks you have voting rights and protections under state/federal law, the exchange's rules, and the company's bylaws. You can vote to have the company pay you money. You can vote to make yourself or anyone the new leader. The company is legally obligated to protect your share value and operate free of negligence. If the company winds down or goes bankrupt you have a legal right to remaining assets. An NFT by itself doesn't give any ownership, rights or powers. They seem nothing alike in the slightest.", "Lol moral or ethical? Shut the fuck up man. Seriously you think this tech is immoral and unethical? I'm sure they said the same thing about a lot of emerging technologies. Only response I can give is \"OK Boomer\"", "You can enjoy playing the game. With NFTs you get nothing of value in return for your money.", "I dont even know who that is.", "Doesn't sound like it is any different. You technically don't own the games you buy on steam or any other launcher. If you get banned you lose everything unlike physical copies. Also at least video games you can play.\n\nEdit: For reference the person above who deleted their account asked how NFT's are different from digital games.", "An NFT is an ownership registry of the NFT? Seems like circular logic: NFT has value because it’s an NFT. The art is basically irrelevant to the NFT.", "You can tell they don't even understand it.", "You don't think asymmetric encryption is a solution to authentication? That's one of the major features of it vs symmetric encryption: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography", "But the ownership of the actual artwork never changes hands. The ownership of the NFT has no bearing on the artwork.", "The name is Vic, Vic Chaos!", "Not only that but crypto does so in a \"trustless\" manner. You wake up every morning to check your bank account having to trust some bank that your money is still there, still usable, and under your control. In a heartbeat they can turn it off. Blockchain is trustless. No more third parties required for you to distribute your art, music, money, title, contract, vote, or any number of things. Say it again. Trustless.", "No guarantee that game publishers will make it possible to take their nfts off their block chain, making the game company the only winner \n\nBasically what Disney is doing atm", "Except Picasso is dead and will never paint again. And, the painting (which you physically own) can't be perfectly reproduced, even if we Jurassic Park a new Picasso.\n\nWith NFTs, unless you bought the copyright,there is nothing stopping the real owner from churing out more identical NFTs of your Ape or Punk diluting the market.", "Blcokchains are immutable, in that they're unable to be manipulated, unsless if someone controls more than half the network (aka 51% attack). Yes the record is publicly available, but the persons identity isn't attached to it for other people to see, it's just that the person with the ticket has possession of that nft. You can see their public ticketing system here\n\nhttps://explorer.get-protocol.io\n\nAnd this is an example of someone who bought a ticket\n\nhttps://polygonscan.com/address/0x90f0ddd2e5d82e21c5c3b9e2148047332a04c0cd#tokentxnsErc721", "I watched this video last night and this point blew my mind.. You're paying for a g'damn treasure map to a digital good that's 100% reproduceable!", "I think NFTs have a use, but it sure isn't 'owning an image'.\n\nNeed to think about it - when you have an NFT for an image or whatever, the NFT isn't the image, it's just a digital certificate about the image. They're shares. What can we make a shares in stuff do that actually makes sense? I think something like an initial investment in a music album or video or something makes more sense.\n\nNFTs aren't useless, but they're not being used for the right thing, that's for sure.", "They can run their own block chain like the Disney nft company is currently doing", "Anything is worth what anyone else is willing to pay for it. People have paid large amounts for them. Who are you to stand against a free market in which nothing that can harm anyone is being transferred?", "The problem is, consensus can change. And if the consensus changes, and what you possess something with no inherent value other than what is given by the consensus, then it loses all value. Much like the famed Tulip bubble.", "That's exactly what it is.", "I thought the nft had some kind of system to uniquely identify an object. But because you only purchase the link, someone can rehost the same picture under another link and sell the nft again. This make nft particularly useless about ownership.", "Thanks", "Try scanning a dollar bill", "Thanks", "Crypto is so bullshit these days, people don't even bother saying \"currency\" at the end, because they know it's not even a currency now.", "Yes indeed, completely agree with you. Reselling, borrowing, and renting games used to be the norm. The industry has very actively curtailed this; why would they (the royal They), suddenly turn heel and implement that through some blockchain that they don't even control.", "The weird thing is that someone else could be buying another NFT with the same digital art, not a copy, but the same exact data made by the same person.", "Hyperlinks are extremely immoral and unethical", "It’s like if I used a random number generation to make a unique number combo, and paired each number with an art piece in the NY MoMA. Then sold my random number pairs for more than the price of the artworks themselves. What a scam lmao", "The information in the NFT is not really meant to be a secret, but to broadcast the fact that you own it - it's a public display of certification of authenticity. \n\nBut of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic. \n\nNFT is really useless, unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.", "Let's just remove all cameras, it's simpler.", "Something that is basically only used as a way to launder money is immoral and unethical, yes.", "art from people's entire deviant art galleries is being sold as nfts.", "> You own only a link\n\nI think the NFT spruikers are hoping that in the future, this \"link\" (or the position in the chain realistically) is considered the same legal standing as a land deed title (which is basically a piece of paper pointing to an address on earth).", "But wait, if it's on ipfs, then it's hosted over a p2p network, so the entire network would need to come down for you to lose access to it. I think the thing these guys are missing is the ipfs link - that's a distributed network itself, not some single hosting site somewhere that can go offline if the cc is rejected.\n\nThere is only one link to that file on the ipfs network and as the NFT holder you own that link, no one else. So you have claim to authenticity for that specific file at that link at the time you got it. If someone copies the file and uploads it again to ipfs they have a new link to the same data in a different file, but as yours is prior to theirs in time, you can claim ownership of the digital asset.\n\nIt all still relies on someone valuing the initial ownership of the original image. I am dubious if that is really going to hold up over time.", "If you buy a painting, you are buying a license to the physical copy of an image. The artist retains the rights to the image. The artist can then create prints if he wants, and can sell those as well. The current iteration of NFTs works exactly like this too. They aren't a scam at all.", "They can even point to child porns! If you support hyperlinks, you're literally supporting child porn.", "Ok, if you think nothing is immoral or unethical about NFTs, don't whine about being immoral or unethical for digital 'piracy' to 'steal' your 'property'.\n\nCase closed.", "when the transaction is very fraudulent in nature, then society (in the form of laws and regulations) should stand in the way of that transaction. \n\nIt's easy for one party to be mislead, and decent societal laws should include ones which protect those who could be easily mislead. I argue that NFTs today is mostly misleading a lot of investors who actually think they own something they don't from this transaction.", "So modern art is unethical and evil)", "I understood that reference", "NFTs are like bookmarks, but they cause global warming.", "The difference here is that you don't own the baseball card, but the receipt that let you take it out of the shop - not even the key to its display case.\n\nAnd the baseball card is signed by random college students in hopes that in 20 years their signatures become valuable.\n\nMight aswell just sell lotto tickets.", "The underlying “technology” (blockchain) is what is bullshit about the whole thing. Crypto, NFTs, web3. They are all scams.", "> a land deed title (which is basically a piece of paper pointing to an address on earth).\n\nKinda. Yes it has an address on earth and its a piece of paper. But it has the full weight of the government behind it. \n\nNot only that, but you have physical access to that address on earth. With an NFT, you are not guaranteed physical access to the contents at the link address. So how can you physically protect something you physically can not access.", "Nice", "Seems fungible.", "The file that the 'hyperlink' points to is almost always stored on IPFS and pinned on a node service like Pinata.", "To your credit you have an accurate username", "This sounds like those companies that I haven't seen around in a while that let you \"buy and name a star\"", "You can't. \nNFT's aren't pictures. \nNFT's are extremely overhyped but it seems both the people who love and hate them have no idea wtf they are.", "You may be interested in [starlinglab.org](https://www.starlinglab.org/).", "There is one blockchain that actually stores the entire NFT on chain, and it runs on proof of work. Nobody's allowed to talk about that chain, though.", "NFTs as Art is the most boring, albeit lowest barrier to entry, use case for NFTs. You can build an entire currency on top of a blockchain using NFTs. You can build a deed system for houses. A share registry for business shares or bonds. You could run a fully, publicly auditable election using NFTs that anyone could run chain analysis to see if there are any shenanegans going on. Track a production chain, inputs, farm crops, seafood, whatever. So many use cases for it, but we're in speculative mania mode, so that isn't coming until after this shit all blows up in everyone's face, unfortunately.", "That's exactly what I first thought of too", "Sharing private-public key pairs is cryptography. The same cryptography that makes NFTs possible.", "Genuine question but why do you think crypto is so bullshit these days?", "> unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.\n\nBut copyright already covers the object being linked to and you already can purchase the copyright rights to those objects (in fact I'd be shocked if most of the famous NFTs didn't have their creators submit copyright registration for them). There's nothing in copyright law that needs to be changed. If you purchase a NFT, the contract usually stipulates you're only purchasing a (normally non-exclusive) license to use that copyright. The actual copyright ownership remains with the seller.\n\nYou could have just finished this sentence at \"NFT is really useless.\"", "> So how can you physically protect something you physically can not access.\n\njust to play the devil's advocate, you also cannot physically protect your property, if a superior force decides to take it anyway. \n\n> But it has the full weight of the government behind it. \n\nif the NFT has the same full weight of the gov't behind it, then it would be an acceptable form of a registry of ownership, just like a deed title.\n\nSO the problem isn't with NFTs, but the fact that the ownership is not truly encoded in the blockchain, but in the will of the gov't that decides to enforce such ownership.", "So you own nothing! :D", "You own access to a service.(that can be cleansed from drm when steam go poof). Also you don't invest on steam hopping 5 years from now you can sell artificially inflated games and make bank.", "Not really. They were created [to empower artists to sell digital editions of their work online](https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/nft-origin-story-on-the-media).\n\nThe podcast is pretty interesting.", "Not that i believe it would happen, but NFT could be a good registry of copyright ownership. Current copyright ownership is manually submitted, manually tracked and cannot be verified automatically.\n\nThe problem with NFT is that the law hasn't (and won't imho) catch up.", "NFTs, and I mean this in the most judgmental and condescending way possible, are for fucking losers", "Nah tho? NFTs are just a shitty proof case for smart contracts. It’s not about “having the keys to the case”. Anyone can listen to anything on YouTube as an individual, but if a corporation wants to use a song you own the rights to, that documented ownership comes in handy.", "You download a car, that’s how", "Do you understand what it is that a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin does that is unique? What makes you think it’s a scam?", "Fair. I suppose nfts are closer to beanie babies than digital games.", "Except worse because it harms the environment tremendously", "I am confused af.\n\nSo I can buy an NFT. A transaction is registered in the block chain.\nI click on the hyperlink and I see a pixel art.\n\nNow what happens if the pixel art changes and I am now stuck with a picture of a rug?\nWhat happens if someone else LINKED the same NFT art and sold it to someone else?\nHow do you bring value to this given there are two owners and the art is gone?", "So this is just a basic misunderstanding of copyright in general.\n\nYou don't actually have to register your copyright for your work to receive copyright protection, only if you want to pursue a claim in court. Your work is protected by copyright the moment it's fixed. Not when it's published, not when it's registered.\n\nEven if NFTs were used as a registry (which it really isn't suited for but that's a separate topic), it still wouldn't be the database of copyright you imagine it to be.", "1) IPFS is not a magical cloud that hosts all content forever. If noone is sharing the content it won't be available.\n\n2) There's no way to list or search all content on IPFS, so theres no way to prove that yours is the first time it was ever uploaded.\n\n3) I can make a NFT that has the same url as yours.", "I see similar comments to this a lot but how exactly do NFTs harm the environment?", "And the person who owns that link can change it to anything. You could pay for a stupid looking pixelated monkey and the guy just changes it to a pile of crap and you now own a link to a picture of poo and everyone can see that you paid £100/1,000+for it", "So basically like buying and naming a star, except the only accepted payment is a certificate proving you dumped a ton of CO2 into the atmosphere.", "As I understand it, it takes a great deal of power and pollution to produce- if it were just rich idiot techbros wasting their money, I wouldn't mind, but it hurts everyone", "Yo NFT collectible limited edition gifs or whatever are dumb, but it’s just a proof of use case. It’s just documented ownership. Like music. You can listen to music on YouTube or Spotify but if you want commercial use or whatever then you have to pay the documented owner. Everyone’s getting fixated on the asset being bought and not what it represents. Springsteen could have sold his catalog as an nft if he wanted, it’s just a contract.", "It's a bigger bubble than crypto and that's really saying something. I fully expect the NFT market to collapse spectacularly sometime next year.", "Maybe, but you can't resell it.", "There was a photography site maybe 20 years ago that had a great picture of a camera I was interested in buying, but when I right clicked to “save image as” I got a cheeky message that says you cannot copy this image.\n\nI took a screen shot, carefully cropped and emailed it to him.", "I believe it has to do with the amount of power needed to maintain or build a blockchain. I've seen mentions as well, and my (albeit shitty) memory puts it at being in the ballpark of around the same power 4-5 average American households use.", "Yeah this is also why companies are going after them hard as from a technical point you don't need anything incredible like you would to go after other alt currencies. It's very little investment (comparaitively) for a lot of potential reward...", "Transactions on a blockchain (including adding an NFT record) take a tremendous amount of computer time to complete. Running those computers uses a lot of power, and most of it is probably produced via burning coal or gas.", "1) Cryptography is much broader than just private-public key sharing.\n\n2) NFTs aren’t just “cryptography”", "All value is artificial. All value is created because there is consensus that something is worth X. consensus changes all the time, happens to every market. Scarcity helps a lot with value. When you look at the things we all agree hold value, like paper dollars, crypto doesn’t seem that radical. The difference is some third party can’t get a wild hair up their ass decide to print more money and devalue what I hold, or invent ways to charge me for using my own money. My value stability is dependent on third party assholes that have agendas that aren’t concerned with me.", "the company that sells land in Scotland so you can call yourself lord is legit, it's a forest management thing.", "Spoken like someone who doesn't fully understand NFTs... or someone who now does and is desperately trying to get out of their NFT 'investment' before they're stuck holding the bag and hyping them in the meantime.", "NFTs are not just images you can save, they are non-fungible tokens that provide you unique proof of ownership. For example, for boredapeyachtclub the unique NFT signature allows you access private websites and video game content.", "If you think that's bad, wait until you hear how much power ATMs and bank branches use.", "So buying a NFT is buying an \"official\" stamp from a not very official source, that is applied on a map anybody can own. \n\nSo your map has a stamp, the other maps don't. But they all lead to the same art eitherway. \n\nNFTs are a scam to take money from dumb people.", "NFTs are a utility but most people think an NFT is a shitty jpeg", "But how exactly? If NFTs are just links to photos, then how come your average jpeg or png isn’t also devastating to the environment?", "Yeah. That one might be a meme but it's also semi-real, tongue in cheek, and at least benefits the environment in a small way.", "Hrm, to my understanding almost none of these NTFs come with publishing rights. If rights were included then you might actually be buying something you can attribute a value to.", "I have a tough time understanding the art aspect. If someone creates something desirable, then pay to have it printed and hang it. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have floor to ceiling LCD panel walls and I’m not interested in hanging old tablets to every wall and powering them so I can have digital showcases. Maybe in the future, but it feels like a very distant one.", "Except for the fact that prints are clearly glorified photocopies while paintings are clearly painted. There's WAY less difference between an original digital work and a copy.", "1) no shit\n\n2) no shit\n\nThe point is that private-public key sharing is how NFTs are traded. The difference being the key sharing exists on a network that facilitates the marketplace.", "It's true, they are in many ways a scam in current form.\n\nIn other ways, they're a status symbol for elite crypto traders. A good NFT does have proof of ownership. It's not something the average person could easily grasp, but neither is most abstract art with insane price tags... sure you own it, but my kid did one just like it. It's on my fridge. Etc.\n\nBut to visualize the real value, imagine an NFT released by a gaming company (i.e. Gamestop) that is a token to download a game. Their backend system checks if that copy of the game is already downloaded on another platform, and if not then you can download and play it. Boom, you have 'physical' ownership of a digital game. You can resell it as a second hand copy, and Sony can't delete it if you dispute with them. There are many other use cases like this. Like the Dotcom bubble, most NFTs will not last in their current forms, but some will evolve into titans of the crypto industry. Time will tell, but NFT as a concept is not going away anytime soon.", "The perceived value is in that Micky Mantle existed in the same space and time of that card and personally left a mark on it indicating as such. A unique mark produced by his own hand.\n\nA NFT is just some dude submitting a form to produce some hash shit and assigning it to a link to a digital rasterisation of a thing.\n\nI mean, I am not a collector, I think assigning such a high value to a baseball card is nuts. But it's assuredly slightly less nuts than paying millions of dollars for a hash of a hyperlink.", "Ethereum is moving to Proof-of-Stake which will fix most of the computation costs. You should learn more before spouting disinformation.\n\nAlso, securing global wealth transfers is an expensive process, and it can be argued the blockchain is more CO2 efficient than a banking system.", "More like a QR code. The QR code contains a direct, permanent link to something. You can change what’s on the other end, but the QR code can’t be changed.", "How is it difficult to distinguish a digital work from a copy? You either have the NFT/license or you don't.", "If I make ricin in convenient little pouches and people are willing to buy them from me, is that worth it?\n\nNFTs absolutely do harm. They are almost exclusively tools extremely easy laundering of criminal money. There are also people stealing others' Deviant Art works, for example, and turning them into their own NFTs. Just a couple examples.", "Except someone else owns the hosting of the image. You don't own it on paper, you don't own where it's stored, you don't actually own anything about it. The server file could be wiped at any moment at someone else's whim. It would be the equivalent to \"having a non-legally binding certificate of ownership\" to something that someone else personally, physically has in their possession. You don't HAVE or HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT to the signed baseball card, using your analogy.", "Exactly! At best it is a more complicated certificate of authenticity tied to a blockchain.", "Art is being copied and resold all the time. It's just easier with digital art. NFTs do not give you exclusive rights to the art being sold. All an NFT does is give you a token that verifies you bought said art. Anything more is either built on top of the NFT as a second layer or written up as a contract on the side between the seller/buyer. \n\nSo if you are buying ripped-off deviant art as an NFT, that is your fault.", "This is the thing I don’t get. All they do is secure certificates/licenses/receipts in a way that’s just way over the top and unnecessary.\n\nMost high-end businesses use multiple server farms for all of their data. They don’t need to turn every transaction into an NFT. And all transactions don’t need to be made public.\n\nI could see if you owned an expensive rollex, using a digital receipt and proof of authentication could be cool, but once again, over the top unnecessary.", "It's not the image itself that is problematic. It's the computing power (both figuratively And literally the electricity used) required to calculate the data behind the blockchain / certificate.", "I think they talk about those being the exceptions and the images are actually on the chain. Not arguing anything, just pointing it out.", "They are on the Blockchain so when one is sold the transaction is processed by a number of computers to validate the transaction. Then are also purchased by cryptocurrency which is also on the Blockchain so there is actually two transactions to be processed.", "i just don't understand what gives it value.\n\nover my head i guess.", "Those branches that provide a ton of services besides just money transaction and employ people, those branches?", "The important thing to understand is what this \"link\" actually is. \n\nIn the past, the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) was one of the ways how data was fetched by clients. You would have an IP address of a computer where the information you wanted was stored. You would need that IP address in order to access the data you wanted to get to, let's say in this example it's a picture.\n\nThat information was centralized, meaning it resides on one computer and one hard drive, and one IP address that is associated with that computer. When it comes to NFTs and more broadly, decentralization brought on by crypto- that picture shouldn't live in a centralized location. \n\nThere is a new technology called an Interplanetary File System (IPFS), which has all of the same principles of FTP, where you fetch info from a repository of data, but it is decentralized. With the decentralization of information, an IP address is no longer relevant in order to fetch your image. With the IPFS, your image is now broken up into many bits of data and resides on many different servers. This way, no one server has full custody of the data and it can be spread across multiple servers.\n\nWith this new approach with IPFS, instead of your image being tied to a server with by IP address, you would now fetch your image by content address on many servers. When you upload data to an IPFS, that data is represented by a unique code. You would then use that code to fetch your content from many servers, as it knows exactly what it is looking for.\n\nIf I explained anything poorly or anyone would like further clarification please let me know!", "Sounds like they are kinda fungable to me.", "On a per transaction basis? That’s a drop in the bucket.", "YES\n\nthat is exactly what this is. perfect analogy/example. thanks.", "\"I own a square inch of [ whisky distillery ]!\"", "This guy Bo Burnhamed everyone. He got us all thinking O look at us we are special let me laugh at these NFT people, us on reddit, the media, everyone and then was like ya none of you have anything that is the point.", "Alright, if I’m already going down the rabbit hole here, what exactly is “blockchain?”", "> TLDR, as I understand it, NFTs are just a way of having an official registry of who the owner is.\n\nIf anyone but the actual creator of the art can make an NFT, then it can probably never be trusted as a valid record of ownership. Apparently a lot of artists are getting their art stolen now in this NFT boom, where random people are just taking art that isn't theirs and making NFTs out of them.", "> What can we make a shares in stuff do that actually makes sense? I think something like an initial investment in a music album or video or something makes more sense.\n\nOr you can just use Kickstarter/IndieGogo. There's zero benefit to doing it on the blockchain. At all.\n\nEither way, you're paying fees. Either you're paying the fees to the miners/stakeholders, or you're paying it to a singular entity (Kickstarter, etc) who are incentivized to make improvements to their service.", "oh dude you have NO idea how completely accurate this is", "So it’s literally the opposite of carbon credits", "> If you buy a painting, you are buying a license to the physical copy of an image. The artist retains the rights to the image.\n\nNFT people would be dumb enough to believe this lol\n\n> The current iteration of NFTs works exactly like this too. They aren't a scam at all.\n\nThey're digital beanie babies, except less valuable because at least my dog can chew on a fucking beanie baby.", "Note that the person that created NFTBay is a scam himself. the torrent with all NFT content is aparently mostly empty, contains a lot of duplicates, and doesn't actually contains all NFT images, only those from a handful of hosters.", "Because of the electricity required to mine that portion of the blockchain, and each subsequent one becomes more resource dependent. Perhaps there will be a market soon for green NFTs that are mined via renewables.", "Hahahaha I actually worked with Geoff for a bit! Very smart bloke, nice to work with too.", "I'm glad someone else noticed this. Yikes!", "Without going into detail. Blockchain is a decentralized ledger of transactions (banks have centralized ledgers for bank transactions). Blockchain transactions are validated by multiple nodes at once to ensure the ledger can't be easily hacked/manipulated.\n\nDeeper explanation here: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blockchain.asp", "It sucks b/c some random miscreant is making money off of some artist's hard work.", "Carbon Debits", "doxxing through the block chain lets go baby this gonna get super silly.", "Stupid tax, there will always be someone to collect it.", "In most cases the art is irrelevant to the value, the value is in the access it provides to a person or group. NFTs are like membership tokens to communities which sometimes come with cool art.", "The way I see it NFTs do actively harm us as a species by consuming a considerable amount of natural resources and providing basically nothing of practical value to us in return. As a technology it's a solution looking for a problem, and as an investment vehicle its value is driven by speculation, people looking to make a quick buck and others not fully understanding what they are actually paying for.", "This has been known for a looong time - the NFT craze baffles me", "this seems like the cooler alternative to adopting a highway. \n\nAnd you get to be a lord!", "You should watch, you will laugh a lot more.", "They can put a dick pick in your link lol", "While this is true, the problem is digital collectibles, unless part of a game or something, have no real tangible value. Unless it’s a knife skin for CS:GO or a rare DLC, digital collectibles are mostly just unnecessary and have no tangible value. You can’t touch it, you can’t display it, you cant do anything besides look at it from a computer screen just like everyone else with an internet connection. Unless specified by the creator otherwise.\n\nLook at Top Shot. You get nothing but a clip of a video that’s readily available on multiple other sources. But somehow it’s valuable because it’s on the blockchain? There’s no physical media attached that you also own, the value is just what the next person will pay for it. At least with trading cards, which are mostly the same level of value, can have some display purposes for fans and there’s a potential landing space for the collectible where it’s not being purchased to be resold down the line.\n\nI personally have a collection of old Instant Cameras. Some of them work, some you can’t buy film for, but I still like owning them and having them for display. You can’t do that with an NFT. You can just stare at your phone like a moron talking on Twitter about how this DeAaron Fox layup you paid $100 for in a Top Shot pack is worth $85.", "With natural inflation they do change value", "Check out songsecure.com for something similar.", "Give me one use for NFTs that doesnt have a better alternative ALREADY working in society.\n\nOther than scamming ppl of course.", "Back in like 2014 I conceived the idea for them as a method of proving ownership of rare pepe memes that were popular then. I didn't do it because I didn't know how, but also because i thought it was a fucking joke", ">it can be argued the blockchain is more CO2 efficient than a banking system.\n\nWell, go ahead, argue it.", "Claiming ownership of them is that, yes. (edit: to sell)", "This information is well explained over at r/OutOfTheLoop if you need it.", "I mean, he lives in a van,so maybe axle grease?", "That sounds like the linchpin to all of this. Thanks for pointing it out.", "Blockchain = 143TWh\n\nATMs - 100Wh x 3.5m = 350GWh = 0.35TWh", "I can't right click and save a painting.", "Yes, but if the real artist rolls their own NFT of the same art, their NFT will have provenance.\n\nIt's as if you printed off a run of books, they're all identical and equal in value, but if the author signs one copy, that copy would probably be more desirable for collectors.", "Early ones were stored on IPFS, which is sort of like BitTorrent, including the fun feature where if there are no seeds you lose access to your file.", "u/idontknowshiit this ones mine, please leave it alone", "Is all the mining that is done currently necessary? I was of the impression that you could decrease the amount of miners drastically and it would have no effect, but considering that it is so profitable a lot fo people do it anyway.", "I agree and artists should speak up if they see it happening. However, this won't change unless people start doing their homework and realizing what they are actually buying. There will always be scams as long as people keep falling for them.", "Instead of central processing of a database like your bank's server for your bank website, many computers in the network process an individual block of data and string them along in a chain. I don't know more about it, this is one layman telling another so bear with me. \n\nCrypto mining works this way. Instead of a bank, a series of computers in the network say they all saw this transaction occur (or rather, each of them says I received a block of digitally signed data and passed on to the next computer in the block chain). This requires tons of processing power. \n\nIn order to process this, a graphics card is essentially necessary because it's designed to perform complex computing tasks like 3d rendering. Now you have a basement full of 50 graphics cards, plugging along and eating tons of electricity - and every crypto wannabe in the last few years is doing this. \n\nNow it's very difficult to buy graphics cards, there's people using massive quantities of electricity to make crypto, and then the crypto is spent on NFTs which need to be also processed on the blockchain, whereas anyone can post a jpeg from a cheap laptop to imgur. It's basically like if every picture on imgur required you to burn firewood to get the URL, it would add up fast.\n\nApologies for any inaccuracies. I've done my best to understand it myself but if there are mistakes I'm sorry, it's not my field.", "Same thing that gives baseball cards their value. \n\nYou don’t own the picture or the stats. Anyone could get card stock and reproduce a baseball card, anyone can google the stats, the pictures, replicas etc… you don’t get any rights by owning a baseball card and they cost pennies to manufacture. \n\nSo why are they valuable? Because they represent a way to connect with something you enjoy. That’s all an NFT is too.", "He outlines all of that in the video.", "If you think that's bad, wait until you hear how much SOCIETY uses kekw", "a fool and their money are soon parted.", "as .jpg seller for sure, but corpo might embrace them for mtx or as dmca tool.", "Well, that's not exactly true either. Visa gift cards aren't insulated from inflation.", "Every time I tell someone this I get down voted to oblivion. There's absolutely realistic and good use cases for NFTs. Selling shitty jpgs has sullied the technology", "That's where it all falls apart. The signed baseball cared is truly unique. It cannot be reproduced. I just don't see anything equivalent in the digital realm. Whatever the NFT points to, be it an image, a video or a a sound file of someone farting... it's all just data, electrical charges in the end. You just can't make that unique the same way the signature makes the card unique and valuable.", "interesting flurry of anti-NFT content making the rounds lately.", "it serves the function of a database, but it is massively distributed across all of the machines on its network (so people \"trust\" it, and continously encrypted as it computes its transactions. \n\n Imagine the data entering the database like the strands of a million strand rope that is being braided with immense force ... you can't dive back in and alter one strand (cheat the database) without picking out that one filament of rope from all the others (ugh, computational nightmare) and in doing so you'd alter the whole thing (everyone would notice).\n\nSo...it's pretty useful in theory, and people have most famously done two things with it:\n\n1) awarded cryptocurrency (bitcoin etc) to people whose machines can munch through encryption cycles very fast to generate... more coins. This uses absolutely gargantuan amounts of power, however - I forget what country's power grid Bitcoin is basically equivalent to using right now but I'm sure it'll be another one next week. Collectively and for normal people Bitcoin serves no function that a normal bank couldn't carry out but it uses more power than a country where millions of people live. \n\n2) used this super secure system to basically cock a leg against digital art and pee on it as a sign of ownership while paying the artists using the planet destroying cryptocurrency mentioned above. The NFT is a VERY sophisticated way to say \"I own a copy of this\" when really, just sending someone a venmo transaction and receiving a nice HQ tiff would be nicer.", "Aren't there companies already putting together decentralized financial products using NFTs?", "fuck pls no sell", "But it doesn’t come with the art, lol. Neither the art’s ownership nor its likeness (an image or copy of the art) is connected to the NFT.", "The same thing that gives anything value people are willing to pay for it.", "The problem is blockchain. If it's a proof of work system like bitcoin, then it's a system that actively incentivises wasting as much energy as possible. The miners running the network get paid if they find a random number to complete the current block, but because it is random, they have to brute force it and have to commit more computational power than the competition if they hope to find it first. When you hear that things like the bitcoin network are consuming more energy than the entirety of smaller first world countries, this is not because of actual usage of bitcoin or a gain in its functionality in any way. It's entirely because of an arms race of miners running in place to have more computational power committed to the network than other miners.\n\nSo it's not just the actual amount of energy consumed that's the problem, it's the why. It's pure waste by design.", "NFTs as a means for managing financial instruments is really just useful because they avoid laws that prevent you from grifting people (at the moment)\n\nDon't worry though, Uncle Sam has already said they're looking at this. You can be assured there's going to be some serious punishments coming over unlicensed asset and derivative trading.", "In a technical sense, it is essentially a cryptographically-secured ledger of transactions. Just a very long journal that says \"Mary paid Tom $10, Tom paid Steve $7,\" etc. This allows you to keep track of how much money everyone who owns bitcoin has. \"Miners\" can append new transactions.\n\nIn order to add a new entry to the ledger (a block), you have to solve a cryptographic puzzle. Once your puzzle is solved, everyone adds your new block to the chain and begins working on the next puzzle. The person that solves the puzzle gets paid a fee (\"mining\") of newly created bitcoin. So, how does that add new transactions to the ledger? When I make a bitcoin transaction, I send out a broadcast to the world saying \"I want to send Tom $10, and I will give $1 to the miner who adds that transaction to the ledger.\" So when I solve the puzzle, I also collect a bunch of those transactions being broadcast and bundle them in with my block, keeping the transaction fees.\n\nNFTs essentially use this same process, except new blocks bundle transactions of NFTs rather than transactions of currency. It is a little more complicated than that since they rest on \"smart contract\" platforms and it uses ethereum rather than bitcoin, but that is basically it.", "Soon (TM). It's been moving to pos for how long now?", "Can someone explain this to me like I live in the 1800s", "Almost every type of ownership in society is only valuable due to social consensus.\n\nIf you \"own\" a house, social consensus is that I can't walk in and start living in it, otherwise you can call the cops.\n\nIf social consensus changed around that, then your house wouldn't be very valuable anymore. I could come try to live in your house and you could try to chase me out, but what if I have a better weapon? Your house is only valuable in resale because of your ability to sign away your societal right to call the cops on me to someone else (or in some US states the right to be indemnified for shooting someone in defense of it).\n\nConsensus around blockchain networks is just forming, and you could argue that its social consensus is much weaker than in other areas of society and you'd be right, but it's not inherently different. Just like real estate \"ownership\", blockchain \"ownership\" derives its value from rules that a group of people agree on and enforce (or write software to enforce).", "Stop calling it a \"scam.\" The technology is sound, its concept is legit. What the \"scam\" is is people taking advantage of gullible, ignorant people unwilling to learn how they work. It's also really easy for someone to overinflate the value of an NFT using anonymous boosting accounts.\n\nBut NFTs aren't a scam. They do exactly what they claim to do. You can't \"pirate\" an NFT because there is a decentralized ledger tracking who owns it.", "> Perhaps there will be a market soon for green NFTs that are mined via renewables.\n\nTwo challenges: crypto always chooses the cheapest power but even if you somehow bypassed that, all you’re doing is displacing other power users from the renewables to something else.", "> How do you “use” an NFT without publicly exposing the link or the media?\n\nThat's the neat part, you can't!", "My massive gains off Ether think otherwise", "And people actually want to see the Picasso, nobody cares about your random jpeg of an ape.", "Yes, but everyone would be able to verify that it isn't the original NFT, just an imitation.", "Non fungible tokens aren’t useless. \n\nUsing them as a speculative art commodity totally can be, though.", "They still don't own the images. They own a unique number on a blockchain. That number might allow them to get into a bored ape party, or it might let them click a link to view a picture. They still don't own the picture.", "who cares about the buyer? the artist is the one being hurt here, and the seller is the one that should get in trouble", ">But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic. \n\nIn which case it would be simple to compare the dates of the signatures.", "It's not about the art (which is was intended for).\n\nIt was about selling low supply tokens with royalties built in. How to get massive hype and marketing so you can make serious money off of it? Just wash trade it with your friends/partners and market it as I MADE XYZ OFF OF THIS HOLY CRAP!\n\nDon't believe me? Why does this exist https://etherrock.com/\n\nThe best marketing tool... is a \"pump\"", "They arn't a scam, they are a more effective way to launder money then going to an art gallery.", "The real question is why would you want any of that trash, even if it were free?", "It's a pretty piss poor certificate of authenticity. If the owner of the website goes out of business your NFT could simply lead to a 404. There's also nothing stopping them from swapping \"your\" picture with something else.", "That doxx coin shit is terrifying because I could build something like that very quickly which means a lot of other people can too. \n\nLike those websites that list your mugshot and arrest record and demand money to have it take it down. Terrifying.", "Does originality/authenticity actually matter in a purely digital medium? Like, who cares if you have THE digital thing if you can also get a digital replica that's exactly the same. It's not a good question.", "But that's not what you said so how would anyone know that was your point?", "> Ethereum is moving to Proof-o\n\nCiting a hypothetical future to bolster the current environmental nightmare is deeply dishonest.\n\n> and it can be argued the blockchain is more CO2 efficient than a banking system.\n\nBy absolutely ridiculous people who have no grasp of ratios and will cite power consumption of a banking industry that serves billions next to consumption by crypto that serves a tiny fraction and say “LOOK SEE SMALLER NUMBER” and millions of math teachers shake their heads.", "its not a scam its an art piece to talk about NFTs, he literally talks about this very fact for about 5 minutes in the start of the video.", "I'll give you 1 karma for it.", "Hey someone cracked your Reddit account and is posting really dumb shit.", "you don't own the image that the NFT links to, unless you have set up a contract with whomever has the copyright to that image. You simply legally don't. If you tried to use your bored ape or lazy lion as a logo or display it publicly they could legally say that it is NOT yours.", " > Blockchains are immutable, in that they're unable to be manipulated, *unless\n\nSo they're not immutable.", "> The perceived value is in that Micky Mantle existed in the same space and time of that card and personally left a mark on it indicating as such. A unique mark produced by his own hand.\n\nAn NFT artist can personally leave a digital signature on an NFT. If you believe signatures produced by a pen are more valuable than signatures produced by an artist typing on a computer, that makes enough sense to me and I guess you do you. But I think if you try to draw a line or make any kind of sweeping value statement about how everyone should believe \"pen signatures good digital signatures bad\", it gets awfully arbitrary awfully fast.", "Other popular money wasters include \"Become a Baron\" and \"Become a Minister\".", "yeah you can integrate NFTs in such a way that they DO have value of course, the thing is A) the vast majority don't and B) a lot of the stuff you can get with other NFTs are fucking stupid and most people dont care and C) there are far more efficient, NONE nft ways to have private membership programs that don't waste so much electricity and are more transparent.", "That just sounds like a torrent. Which has been around forever. Plus if no one seeds your data, then it's gone?", "Good news is, ethereum which is the blockchain where all NFTs are stored will move to proof of stake soon, which will almost completely eliminate the environmental impact.\n\nEDIT: ah the classic reddit hate boners, gotta love em", "1) Yes, but what is the likelihood that this will happen.\n\n2/3) it's your link in the block chain that confers ownership as the first link to the image. All other links to the image/data that come after yours must be copies. Yes you can't confirm the image you link to is the first one ever created, that's why this system relies on creators curating their own creations to some extent.", "That really doesn’t mean anything because an unlimited amount of NFTs can be generated for the same digital file", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tda4v3EQVr4", "Because he's late to the game, and trying to rationalize why he didn't take the time to learn more about it years ago, when he first heard it mentioned but before VCs and fortune 500 companies started building on it.", "He actually talks exactly about this, the NFT bay thing was actually an art project to help inform the public on NFTs and what they ACTUALLY are. He literally acknowledges this very aspect", "But it's not a scam in it's present form. Half of this video is \"BuT iT's CoNfUsInG!\" so is healthcare, but that doesn't mean it's a scam (Unless you're from America). It just means there are too many idiots using it.", "[This is a terriffic video going over the basics (26 minutes)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBC-nXj3Ng4)", "There's always that one stupid dude who doesnt watch the video yet is foaming at the mouth to drop a comment lmao\n\nThe entire torrent is 17.76 TERABYTES and yes its not on the site and the video mentions all this. Zipped it's compressed down to 12 gb.\n\nhttps://thenftbay.org/description.html", "But I could just put it on my own hard drive and print the image out to display on the wall of my house.", "Because, like the video says, either the original artist or literally anyone else can create an equally valid NFT on the same or a different blockchain to that exact same art location.", "How could it possibly be a bigger bubble than crypto when they’re a part of crypto?", "That is quite a large statement to say with only two sentences. You should elaborate.", "I'm curious, if I own an NFT for the deed to a house, wouldn't that tie my wallet to my real life address? So I'm effectively doxxing myself?", "What can be done is that the creator also include the copyright in the sale. Which some bigger sets do.", "I didn't expect to watch as much of this as I did. Excellent vid.", "No it's not. They both run on blockchain technology but are mostly separate things.", "This gets at the fundamental issue with decentralized contracts and tokens. In order to have arbitration, you must relinquish authority to a trusted third party which defeats the entire purpose of decentralization.", "> The information in the NFT is not really meant to be a secret, but to broadcast the fact that you own it - it's a public display of certification of authenticity.\n> \n> \n> \n> But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic. \n\nI'd admit that I never really understood NFTs, but isn't the \"non-fungible\" part there referring to the singular ownership of a certificate of authenticity for that token? It seems that in essence it's not really non-fungible at all.", "This argument boils down to open source vs centralized. Usually the answer lies somewhere in between.", "Are you telling me that I'm not actually a Scottish Lord?", "Dude was digging for buried treasure. He even bought a map!", "I think it could have practical applications on the real world, but as it's being used right now to buy/sell \"art\" it's pretty much useless tech.", "The problem is not just how much power but why. With ATMs or frankly any other appliance or service, you can expect power consumption to go up if there are more users or if the system is doing more actual work. \n\nWith blockchain, power consumption goes up only because of an arms race of miners, who are trying to allocate more computing power to the system than their competitors so they can claim the rewards that get generated when they complete a block. \n\nSo there is a fundamental difference between blockchain and pretty much anything else. If I'm a miner and my energy consumption goes up 50%, it doesn't boost any capability of the service I'm running, and its not a response to more users or activity on the network. It's just a response to other miners and I'm trying to keep up or stay above.", "It’s not legit either. \n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2016/aug/07/you-might-be-a-scottish-lord-on-paper-but-you-wont-get-a-coat-of-arms", "I feel like NFTs/Crypto is the Millennial equivalent to timeshares.\n\nI mean what is a timeshare is not decentralized homeownership that as little to no practical use?", "All of the computer power used, for the most part. The power used to generate NFT's, and the power used to keep the computers cooled. I don't know how much power is used to transfer tokens, but I imagine that's factored in as well?\n\nSome cryptocurrencies are better about this than others, but a lot of them aren't.", "No, its not the same thing at all. With the baseball card, you own the actual baseball card.", "These things are like modern day pogs.", "I think you're underestimating how much people like to gloat. It's a way to show off wealth or brag about they got in early before it was mainstream. People like showing shit off and that will never change. I'm sure in the near future, there will be social media platforms tied to your actual identity where only authentic NFT items can be seen. Then you can really show off because people will know it's authentic.", ">\tOr if someone steals the wallet key, do they then own your house?\n\n>\tAccording to the blcokchain? Yes. In practice, this is a scenario where \"real world\" law would step in and lawyers would get involved.\n\nSo the entire NFT/blockchain is a pointless waste of time because the ultimate authority that the police and government use to determine ownership of property can never rely on something as pathetically weak as this\n\nEdit for the children who don’t understand property ownership:\n\nYou own property because the government of the country you live in has determined that the land of that country can be privately owned and that you will be allowed to enter into a contract with the current owner to transfer that ownership. \n\nThis government also empowers the police to protect this ownership right by allowing you to call them and demand that a trespasser be taken away from your property.\n\nNo ownership of property can exist without either government protection of this system\n\nIf I hack your NFT wallet and obtain the deed to your house, and then call the police on you and demand that you are removed from the property based solely on the claim by this NFT, should the police remove you from that house?\n\nWhat if I steal your identity and claim that the NFT proving home ownership points to me?", "I'm sure he has some idea considering he typed that out", "Of course but images are hardly the most interesting application. \n\nEver been scammed by someone selling fake or duplicates event tickets? If the tickets were instead NFTs then you’d know for a fact that you were buying genuine tickets because you can check that you’re buying them on the blockchain that the event is using. Now anyone can copy the details of the tickets (which is the equivalent of right clicking and saving image NFTs) but because they’re not a valid entry on the blockchain that won’t get them entry, because they don’t own the actual NFT. Plus with smart contracts you automate the transfer of the NFT, the blockchain will automatically ensure that the NFT is transferred to you when you pay the correct fee in whatever cryptocurrency, so no more risk that you’ll send money and a scammer will refuse to send your tickets.\n\nThere’s lots of practical applications of the technology, most people just don’t want to hear it though.", "cash is really just an assertion of owed debt, so... yeah?", "The problem is that you're paying for string of characters on a screen. It's nothing, it doesn't exist.", "Ah fair point, thanks for the insight.", "Sorry I'm not sure. I only have a cursory knowledge of this market.", "I’ve always equated it to owning a Civic Paul Walker owned. \n\nThere’s only documentation showing that.\n\nFor these NFTs the value for artists comes from added bonuses attached to the art. Right now a lot of NFTs are a stupid cash grab.\n\nNFT contracts can be more than just the documentation, and just an Web 2.0/oracle pointing at an object.\n\nI believe there will be real DRM within the blockchain and it will be a race to see which one wins out.", "I said exactly the same thing in my original comment...", "Ethereum is switching to proof of stake soon, which will use less than .1% of the energy of a proof of work blockchain.", "I wonder when we'll find out that crypto currencies were created by energy companies to make money.", "Stupid questions and observations. Please have grace when trading\n\n1. This sounds a lot like torrents\n\n2. What happens when one if those computers goes offline? Is the for corrupted?", "nah man, he's completely clueless", "soon™", "They completely misunderstand what NFTs are. NFTs are cryptographic proof of ownership that you can sell to the next person. Think of them as certificates of authenticity that can't be faked. \n\nSure, you can save the picture/video tied to the NFT and you can copy it all you want, but only the current owner has the private keys that prove he owns it. Just like you can create a copy of Mona Lisa, but only one has the certificate of authenticity.", "I love how Reddit tries SO HARD to make NFTs look dumb despite having tons of uses other than art or whatever. Instead of fighting against something inevitable why don’t you try to get in on the ground level and make something out of it? NFTs are not going away for a long time and trying to keep up this dumb resentment against them is only going to piss you off worse lol\n\nEdit: damn you guys are salty 😂", "Not if the dude you’re talking to owns both an NFT and star naming company.", "But you do have a contract with the person that owns the copyright. They attached it to the blockchain and sold it, forming a contract - a contract giving the buyer ownership rights, and also giving them the right to sell those ownership rights to someone else. This is the implicit agreement which is well understood, and therefore forms a contract.\n\nAn artist who sells their image as an NFT cannot 'legally' say it's not yours, if for no other reason than there is no court case giving them precedent to do so. If such a court case were ever to eventuate, why would the court allow them to claim ownership over something they sold, when the buyer can demonstrate the chain of custody showing it was legitimately purchased; ultimately from the artist / copyright holder themselves?", "Because it’s been around for a over a decade and is yet to prove itself as anything other than a speculative endeavour.", "Compare NFT to DNS. How do I prove I own a .com domain? The DNS has a record. What if the DNS provider disappeared?\n\nNFTs allows record keeping on a blockchain, which isn't going anywhere.\n\nIt's about trust. Do you place more trust in companies/laws/governments, or in cryptography and mathematics?\n\nAnswer might be different for different people.", "Which is a valueless piece of recycled cardboard and a picture you can download from google images.", "Which is why art isn’t a particularly good application. \n\nTry event tickets though. Loads of people get scammed for fake ones, or send money and never receive them, or find that the same tickets have been sold to multiple people. If all of those records were on a Blockchain you could verify that you were buying a real ticket because you can check the public ledger, the event knows who to admit because they can compare it with the public ledger, the blockchain can be programmed so that when you pay for the tickets they’re automatically transferred to you, no risk of someone taking your money and not sending the tickets.", "And a baseball card is at least worth looking at, unlike most of the garbage peddled as NFTs.", "The value is given to the purchaser to be used in any digital state projection of the Blockchain. An NFT purchased as a collectible card may be verified and used by another system to allow you to play that cards character in a new world.\n\nBlockchain IS the metaverse, anything that uses NFT/Blockchain is a state projection. Blockchain/NFT value currently is a gold rush.\n\nLotta people claiming it's all scammy bullshit lately without understanding that distributed digital ownership said \"Hello World\". The markets that refuse merging public (eth/dapps) and private functions (proprietary integrations) will be outcompeted as open source, Blockchain-backed, publicly available business functions are derived and sustained by engineers world-wide.\n\nIt's already happened, traditional capital markets just Wiley-Coyoted off a cliff. As soon as it looks down, gravity will set in.", "Agreed, tho I can’t really think of a useful and unique application off the top of my head. Perhaps if you want a secure and incorruptible ledger, but I think there are other options out there.", "NFT blockchain is like a gigantic book with account names. So you have account \"ymcameron\" and by that name it says \"ymcameron owns monkey picture number 46\". To make sure nobody is writing on the book and writing or removing words in it, a copy of that book is distributed to a bunch of people who want to hold it. Then whenever there is a check of validity of that book, those people who own the copies, make sure all of their copies are the same. Problem is that the bigger the book is, the harder it is to crosscheck entire book every time. So with time, most blockchains become bloated, and you need more and more computing power to check the entire blockchain. It's not about the single picture, its about the computers checking if the entire blockchain is correct.", "Except an NFT isn't the baseball card.\n\nIt's a piece of paper with the address of a building that has the baseball card in it. You own the piece of paper and you can go look at that card whenever you want, but so can literally anyone else. The owner of the building is also free to take the card away and replace it with another card, and if they can no longer afford the rent for that building the whole thing will be demolished and your little slip of paper with the address will be pointing at empty land.", "Protecting specific objects that are original works is not what COPYrights are for. Any piece of digital art is already copyrighted by virtue of its creation (it is a creative work that is fixed in a tangible medium), but therefore is also subject to fair use. This is why you can make always make a copy of any image for your personal use, but not sell copies or otherwise profit from the piece and its derivatives without license and/or permission.\n\nJust another reason that NFTs are a complete and utter crock of shit with no meaning or value.", "True in a lot of cases. Consider NBA Topshot as a better example than the shittiest NFTs. \n\nIt’s officially licensed by the NBA and it’s transparent about the amount it is minting. \n\nCards are used to fulfill collection challenges and the market for buying/selling is similarly open and transparent (unlike baseball cards where finding a legitimate buyer is next to impossible outside of the EBay roulette or the sweaty guy at the card store who lowballs you because there’s no one else to sell them too.", "Anyone who is still comparing cryptocurrency to tulips in 2021 simply doesn't understand what they're talking about.\n\nedit: after some thought, it's not so outrageous to compare NFTs and tulips, however there are still differences, including immutability and uniqueness. Even though uniqueness could be argued against when we look at the derivitive and outright ripoff projects out there now, there are still points for originality. How much originality can you have in tulips? Breed a new color? You'd probably be very successful.", "Eth will move to Proof of Stake, which means it's extremely green. It will use only 0.05% of the power it's currently using.", "It's similar to the idea of a linked list data type", "Look I don't fully disagree with anything in this thread and think NFTs have been widely misrepresented in media (specifically about what their ownership entails). But you have to admit that you sound a bit like the people who discredited punk rock, or video games or event television as an art form. \n\nLots of items, but art specifically, receive value from recognition. And its a bit myopic to think that enough dollars in the system haven't* decided that this art has value. When someone savvy as Ken Griffin decides it's a decent spot to park 40m, you know he's thought things through at least a bit. \n\nThe last generation of millionaires drop up in their lambos, wildly depreciating and with several compromises, for status. For this generation of crypto millionaires? They need a status symbol for their quarantined web 3.0 selves, and you can bet when someone flashes their wallet which can be traced to being the owner of some famous pfp project, they are gonna feel like they got their moneys worth. \n\nAnd its not depreciating and all the other compromises. \n\nBtw art gets stolen and art gets forged. Estimates put it in the high double digits (some as high as 50%) of high worth auctioned art as being forged. Forgeries are good to the point that spectroscopy etc don't tell you much. The good auction houses now primarily require a chain of ownership to establish authenticity. So art is also at a bit of a precarious spot in that regard. It can be damaged, stolen or discredited. Cool thing about NFTs, they come with their own proof of authenticity on the ledger. In fact that's pretty much all you're buying, that proof of authenticity. You don't own the art in the sense of a copyright at all (a flaw I completely agree with and that the original linked video focuses on)", "[NFT bros right now seeing what this guy did.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8vmXrLf1U)", "> But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic.\n\nWouldn't that be signed by a different entity than the issuer of the previous NFT? I'm assuming that whomever controls the resource pointed to by the URI would nearly always be the original NFT issuer.", "Does anybody realize that coffeezilla is actively persuading you to not buy any crypto? He's a so called crypto expert, yet he discourages you from buying any crypto, no matter what it is.", "I'm still convinced there is also money laundering going on. Tangible receipts of stupid amounts of money for stupid things you don't even have to transport or store. Stupid things that also cost no money or time to make, no less.\n\nJust whip up a shitty icon of a cat, post it for whatever money you need cleaned, and if some dipshit cryptobro buys it instead because the NFT hype, you just pocket that money and try again with a slightly different version of that icon until you get the transaction you actually meant to get.", "This is a solved problem. The devices used to access the digital world are distributed with self-signed certificates from root certificate authorities. If your operating system is digitally distributed, you are encouraged to check that the file you received has the correct hash. These root certificate authorities then sign certificates for lower tier certificate authorities who then sign certificates for entities you actually interact with. For example, the way my reddit page is authenticated, I received a certificate that authenticates the public key for the domain .reddit.com, which was DigiCert TLS which was signed by DigiCert Global Root CA, who also provided a self-signed certificate. Both my OS and browser have DigiCert Global Root CA’s public key already pre-installed. \n\nSo essentially you are trusting your computer & browser, as well as the root certificate authorities, who in turn trust other entities with whom they have business relationships with. \n\nThis is likewise true about the blockchain. You still have to trust whatever devices and software you use to interact with the blockchain in addition to the authors of the blockchain itself.", "Yea that's basically what it is.", "Blockchain is just a Merkel tree. It’s a complex data structure, but it holds little value compared to its hyped up use cases.\n\nTransacting with crypto is expensive and lacks a lot of the modern features we expect with those, like refunds and chargebacks. Immutability doesn’t support those processes.\n\nThe task of encrypting and decrypting every transaction on a ledger is also extremely expensive. It requires way more compute and space than it otherwise should.\n\nAnd the benefit? Just obscuring who you transacted with.", "Yes they are, cryptocurrencies are a moniker for blockchain technologies. The majority of NFTs are on Ethereum, the 2nd largest cryptocurrency, in fact 8.3% of fees on Ethereum in the last 24 hours came from 1 NFT marketplace, OpenSea.\n\nHow do you think people pay for NFT transactions on a blockchain? Maybe with some sort of… cryptocurrency?", "> Jurassic Park a new Picasso\n\nbrb writing a screenplay", "The ownership of the NFT is not reproducible. Just like a chain of custody on a Picasso isn't. The actual physical object definitely is. Certainly to the point a human could tell them apart (and so saying the actual physical object is what you derive value from doesn't hold up because you cannot tell it from a fake). And increasingly, not even to the point experts and spectroscopy can. Modern auction houses really struggle with this and likely sell high double digit % forgeries.\n\nAny collectible item gets its value from the same. The certificate of authenticity etc. With NFTs it's really the same but the ledger is your certificate. That's the unique asset you're buying, obviously not the actual jpeg...", "ITT: Many many people who are overlooking the \"in its present form\" statement. The tech is in its infancy and is being used for... questionable... applications currently, but the future is bright. DYOR.\n\nEdit: Reddit's gonna be so wrong about this one, you can quote me on that.", "Yep, he's a great guy - known him since back in the SGL lan party days.", "How do you transfer ownership in a decentralised way then? Sounds like a central authority needs to hold the private keys and sign new certificates every time ownership changes.", "The companies actually have value.", "Huh, don't own any NFTs yet.\n\nThought you would get a proof of ownership to a picture on the chain similar to how your wallet links ownership to a coin.\n\nThis sounds like the equivalent of owning a link to a document to print your own coin, making the coin worthless.", "your argument makes sense if the value of baseball cards is, at least in particular based on their use-value as pictures? That has not been my experience with them. \n\nYes the value of many things you buy is based on the reliability of the issuer. Your stocks can become valueless if the company that issues them decide to issue new stock that their financials can’t support. Or the company that sold you a lifetime warranty goes bankrupt or folds. \n\nIf you buy an NFT from a random minter, that’s akin to buying electronics from the dollar store, maybe it works, maybe it breaks. That’s not the same as buying them from Best Buy or Apple. I’m not investing in random NFTs but I think officially licensed stuff like Top Shots will have staying power and are an interesting use of blockchain tech. \n\nI’d rather own an NFT than the corresponding basketball card. But maybe I’m wrong! Totally possible too!", "dumbest fucking trend I've seen in a long ass time", "Is there no way to essentially watermark the image so that only the person with the link can see and save the unwatermarked image?", "Well proof of work in blockchains prevents double ownership. The longest chain would be the only legitimate one, as if that makes any real difference for NFTs though", "Not really", "> Ethereum is switching to proof of stake soon\n\nThe date gets pushed back every time someone says this. It's been \"soon\" since the launch of the 30 series cards.", "Unfortunately this is one of those things that we really can't believe anymore until it actually happens. It's been \"close\" to switching to proof of stake for years now — there are always further delays. We've already missed two of those supposed deadlines this year alone.", "Alright, the titles etc are giving off extremely weird vibes with stuff like \"the site where you can pirate any NFT\" & \"Right Clicking All The NFTs\" is stuff you basically only hear from the sites and people who have no idea which is so annoying.", "As far as I can tell, IPFS works a lot like torrents. And much like torrents, if no one is bothering to seed your picture of an ugly lion anymore, it's inaccessible.", "> I'm assuming that whomever controls the resource pointed to by the URI would nearly always be the original NFT issuer.\n\ndefine \"original\" NFT issuer.", "Am I the only one that could not finish watching the interview because of being grossed out by guy's dirty fingernails?", "I think another analogy to this are autonomous cars.\n\nA lot of the real use cases of NFTs and the blockchain depend on widespread usage of the blockchain.\n\nA lot of people hate autonomous cars because they feel they are unsafe/unnecessary. If ALL cars were autonomous then they could communicate with each other, there would be infrastructure in our highways to regulate traffic etc.\n\nWhen people are introduced into and autonomous system like that that’s when things can get chaotic.\n\nSo my point is right now a lot of these NFTs are inherently useless, and redundant, but if more and more people and technologies get introduced then they won’t be. \n\nThat’s what people who buy NFTs are betting on.\n\nUnfortunately a lot of people are also buying the equivalent of an overpriced 1987 Trans Am and thinking it’s going up in value.", "Look up \"greater fool theory\"", "This is a legitimate criticism but IPFS should be able to solve it.", "Well then NFTs seem to be good alternative to ticketmaster so. Artists set up their own crypto tickets, but they'd have to spend money to mint them?", "Most blockchains intentionally use more power than necessary to verify a transaction. They work by setting up a contest. Anyone can devote as much power as they want to a transaction, and whoever devotes the most has the highest chance of winning some money. \n\nIt was originally intended as an incentive for people to \"invest\" resources into blockchain, and now it's totally spun out of control.", "> It seems that in essence it's not really non-fungible at all.\n\nyes, it does mean that the specific certificate of authenticity is unforgable. However, nothing stops someone else from issuing a different certificate, with a different issuer, but contains the same data. \n\nThey will both claim to be an NFT to the original work. And it's up to people at large to trust one or the other. You could say that the \"earliest\" one is the authentic one, but that's an arbitrary rule added on top.", "Yeah but you can’t resell the timeshare and make a profit\n\nWith nfts that happens daily", "Dumb ask; would this also be an issue for bitcoin of other proof of work models? This seems like a proof of stake issue no?", "It’s not a scam when in 5-10 years all these memes start being adopted and co-opted by advertising and marketing companies. Companies will be paying NFT holders the same way they pay publishing to license music for their commercials. \n\nFor average people yeah these likely have no realisable value", "A certificate is only as valuable as it is respected. A deed is just a certificate, but it's respected by the police and irs and construction companies, etc, etc. An NFT is just a certificate and as a certificate it's value is determined by the power of the organizations that respect it, and so far they're just random companies that sell you a hyperlink so they don't have any real value.", "He says in the video. I have some treasure. I can’t sell you the treasure. But I can sell maps to where the treasure is. But all you’ll ever really own is a map.", ">Transacting with crypto is expensive\n\nThe overwhelming majority of transactions cost less than 1c.", "This is what people aren't understanding, and then they end up shitting on blockchain altogether, again because they don't understand it.", "That is touched on in the video. But then again, what good is the NFT if you need a separate system of copyright control (that exists in the copyright registry department of the gov't)?", "Sure, just like plenty of people have copies of famous pieces of art.", "You can do that with a real painting too. Take a photo of it, print it out, and hang it up. I guess all art is equally stupid as nfts", "You actually understand NFTs! Glad you're here, I'm losing my mind at some of these comments. Like yes obviously some 8 bit weird cat image selling for thousands is hype, speculation and (probably at times) fraud, but that doesn't mean the whole concept is invalid.", "It's openly mocked on /r/cryptocurrency where the majority of users would benefit from the influx of new money (yes, I know how that sounds). \n\nEssentially thought of as the art scene, money laundering and tax evasion schemes.", "What happens when a court rules you have to give your house to your wife when you get divorced? The legal system needs to be able to settle disputes.", "If I mint an NFT of something that’s not mine and tell everyone I made it, how does it confirm originality/authenticity? Who decides how much proof is necessary?", "Great question!! It actually is like bit torrent, but there's one major difference. IPFS has one global swarm, where as Bit Torrent treats each torrent as it's own swarm. For those who don't know, a swarm is all of the peers(downloaders) and seeds(uploaders) for a shared resource, in this case a torrent file. In IPFS there is one global swarm, where all files can be shared and accessed by any IPFS nodes. This plays into your second question, as if one node goes down, nothing will happen to the data and it can still be accessed by other nodes. Whereas in Bit Torrent, if there is only one seed and the seed has either corrupt data or the seed goes down, that data is no longer accessible.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI hope that answers your question!", "People stopped adding 'currency' because it's become more than that, not because it's become less.\n\nPS if you want straight cryptocurrency, minus the bells and whistles (and minus the transaction fees), look into nano.", "And in a more general sense, all blockchain implementations break down at the point they have to interface with the real world. Doesn't matter how trustless the algorithm runs, at some point you're going to have to trust someone.", "What good is it owning a game you play, rather than downloading it?\n\nIn the end with NFTs though, it's not about owning the copyright of something, but owning the \"Ethereum\" version of it.", "Nobody is buying NFTs for hundreds of thousands because the care about the “art”.\n\nThey aren’t even buying the art, they are buying web links to the art.\n\nAnd they buy them with the vague hope that they can find a sucker to buy it off them for even more.\n\nJust look at how many people run to the press trying to publicise how their specific bored ape is a special one that everyone should be fighting over.", "well the inventor of the block chain is actually a mystery", "DeFi and gaming in crypto get quite a few users, your statement was much more true 3 years ago.", "No one tell this dude about scanners.", "Ah, but do you know how pedantic you are considering you typed that out? \n\n\n}:P", "You could print out a nice copy of the Mona Lisa too, but does that have any value? No, only the one in The Louvre does. And if they ever sold it there would be a lot of time, effort and cost put into verifying that it was the real one. NFTs solve that verification problem for (almost) free.", "It's funny how in a thread describing what NFTs are, people are still commenting 'you don't own the image', or some variation. It's not like people who trade stock in gold or water contemplate physical ownership.\n\nI personally think this is (was) a decent exploration in how digital artists can participate in an art trade like traditional pieces have been. Physical art has been solely hoarded until now, again often without ever leaving their storage location.\n\nI've not involved myself with NFTs in any way and am obviously concerned about large scale scams that leave innocent commercial traders holding the bag. I'm mostly bothered because it's turned something I thought was exciting and interesting for independent digital artists into a meme and a joke. People don't even understand the concept and yet are now hopping on the band wagon to point, laugh and hate.", "Thank you for this explanation. Why couldn't* the actual image data be stored in the blockchain, rather than just a link to the data? Is it because the blockchain would just become insanely huge too quickly?", "You can have any number of addresses, so you would link the deed in a wallet with no other activity in it, if you wanted.", "So you are under the impression that all tokens are intended to be used as a currency. Lol.", "It can literally be used as a currency in many cases. Obviously not everywhere, but it's probably the only actual usecase an average person can do.", "Hell, most legislators have no clue about anything technical unless its involved with their bank accounts.", "TRUE", "[It's funny how in a thread describing what NFTs are, people are still commenting 'you don't own the image' or some variation. It's not like people who trade stock in gold or water contemplate physical ownership.\n\nI personally think this is (was) a decent exploration in how digital artists can participate in an art trade like traditional pieces have been solely hoarded until now, again often without ever leaving their storage location.\n\nI've not involved myself with NFTs in any way and am obviously concerned about large scale scams that leave innocent commercial traders holding the bag. I'm mostly bothered because it's turned something I thought was exciting and interesting for independent digital artists into a meme and a joke. People don't even understand the concept and yet are now hopping on the band wagon to point, laugh and hate.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlnq8b/comment/hpi980b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)", "I’m literally watching this right now. Had no idea you could theoretically doxx someone via blockchain spam.", "the value is that hopefully someone else will think it's valuable. nfts are just a hamster wheel of people spending more and more money on jpegs in the hopes that someone else will buy it from them for more money (so they can sell it to someone else for more money)", "Think of it this way. Imagine there are thousands and thousands of accountants at a company and whenever you transacted something on behalf of the company (say you are the company's purchasing agent), not just one account process your transactions but thousands and thousands of accounts do it to verify that the transaction is legitimate. Now imagine these are not accountants but computers running calculations and in the process consuming electricity (not to mention the physical matter used to create the hardware). That consumed electricity in turn produce CO2.", "The problem is that your example involves the ticket vendor deliberately helping customers resell their tickets, by using these NFTs, which at that point they are better off setting up a normal marketplace for reselling tickets (where they could then even get a cut of the sale). Tbh I don't think I have seen an application for NFTs that couldn't be done as easy or easier using other methods. It just seems to be people hoping they can get rich by \"investing\" early like the early days of crypto, while a bunch of shady companies gladly take their money.", "Well this is incredibly ignorant, lol.", "neither do you", "There's nothing stopping boredapeyachtclub from minting multiple NFTs that all link to the same hosted image.", "You really think proving you own a game is currently a problem? What do you think happens right now when you buy a game from a third-party marketplace to use digitally on steam, PlayStation store, Xbox, etc.? They give you a code or cd key to redeem on the gaming service. You don’t need an NFT for this.\n\nThey could easily let you sell or trade the code or cd key if they wanted you to after you redeem it. The reason you can’t do it is because they don’t want you to.", "Just wanted to throw a few things out there regarding NFTs.\n\nOver the past year and a half off or so, I've been following NFTs pretty closely. I'm not a blockchain/crypto expert, but I've been pretty closely involved on a professional level (and also have minted my fair share of NFTs). I also work in energy policy, so can address the environmental concerns a bit.\n\nI get the gist of the video, but I think it's important to understand a few base level things if you're not familiar with NFTs. I skimmed the video after the first 15 minutes, so apologies if it's addressed:\n\nIn this scenario, nothing is really being \"pirated\". It's more that it's being made centrally public...but, I don't really see the big deal about it when it comes down to it. It you buy an NFT, generally speaking you are interacting with the Ethereum blockchain, probably using a Metamask wallet. Let's say I buy a Bored Ape (from Bored Ape Yacht Club, one of the most successful, expensive NFT collections). While you can copy that JPEG, that doesn't really mean a whole lot - you can't sell it. I mean, there are a million scams on OpenSea, the main NFT marketplace, doing just this, but if you do a bit of research you'll be able to track and identify which collection is the legit collection and which is the rip off. So, you could try to make a copy and sell it, and it occasionally dupes people, especially as FOMO sets in and people get careless. But, I can legitimately list my Bored Ape for sale and if someone buys it, the currency I transact with, likely ETH, will end up in my wallet. There are a LOT of nuances here if you're not familiar with how this all works, but for people that are heavily involved in the NFT side of things (for better or worse), I can tell you that no one bats an eye over NFT Bay outside of being like \"oh ok, guess that exists\". \n\nOf course, lots of media outlets don't really get how this whole thing works, so they're like \"NFT PIRACY WEBSITE STEALS BILLIONS!\" And all that jazz. Another important note - when thinking about NFTs, there are really two different types, \"PFPs\", which stands for \"profile pic\" or the JPEGs, and what I'm dubbing \"utility-heavy\" NFTs, i.e. NFTs that actually do something (yes, it does exist!). For example, there's a project called ZED which is a super detailed horse racing game where your NFT is a horse and it can race, breed and make more horses etc. In other words, it's not just a JPEG (though some JPEGs actually have utility too, but that's a different story).\n\nNow with that said, I'm personally sitting in a weird place, I deal with NFTs a lot, some are very cool, a lotttttttt are dogshit scams. There is a huge amount of NFT/crypto culture that is extremely, extremely off-putting IMO, but I've also seen some genuinely interesting, artistic, or creative projects that are cool. It's easy to say \"this thing is a huge scam\" if you're not involved, and easy to become an insufferable fanboy and say \"this is world changing, to the moon!\" if you are involved.\n\nAt the end of the day, I find this entire space fascinating from a technological, financial, and sociological perspective - including the unsavory parts, just because, well, it's interesting. \n\nOne last thing re:energy - I write energy policy for a living, and also implement policies and programs that deal with grid sustainability, demand management and energy efficiency. The debate about crypto/blockchain etc, which generally comes back to \"mining\", is pretty complicated. It's a real problem, to be sure, but I've poured over EIA data and worked on independent evaluations, and it's more complicated than it may seem. I'm hoping that when the Ethereum network is truly upgraded to proof-of-stake vs. proof-of-work, it'll set things in motion for a more environmentally friendly approach that can be replicated across other blockchains/currencies etc.", "Nobody buys collectors editions, or banksys, or a lot of modern art, for the \"art\". They buy it for status and exclusivity. \n\nMy comment on the value of NFTs was in response to the parent comment saying \"nobody cares about a jpeg of an ape\"\n\nThis is decidedly not true. Even if you may not", "Can you elaborate?\n\nI’ve always wondered about that and never looked into it\n\nI assume it all is meaningless?", "Short answer: It depends on how you define ownership.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nLong answer: Sure some one could make an NFT about Bugs Bunny and a million people could download or screenshot the image and claim they own it. However, when we speak about \"owning an NFT\" what we are talking about is owning a transaction on a blockchain that contains an asset, which that asset is the content address of the image on the IPFS. But the term \"ownership\" here is very loose. You could reupload that image to IPFS and create a new content address for it and then auction that off, but a lot of NFT platforms will make you agree that you are the sole owner of the original content you are making the NFT for. If some one violates these terms I would assume their account would be terminated.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nedit (clarification): when I say \"owning a transaction on a blockchain\", I mean having custody over the wallet address that is tied to the transaction.", "My pleasure!", "Maybe this comparison will resonate with you a little more. Think of the ape as an original Babe Ruth baseball card. Or a first run Charizard Pokémon card. Sure there are many identical Charizard cards in existence. But only a few came from boxes with serial numbers from the first run. Which makes them highly valuable for collectors. An ape is just a digital collectible with that serial number stored on a blockchain. \n\nIs it so crazy to think we’d one day move from physical collectibles to digital collectibles. Sure NFTs in their current form might not be a perfect implementation of that concept but I really don’t get why people can’t see the value in that concept when physical collectibles of many types have been valued by humans for our whole existence.", "> I love how Reddit tries SO HARD to make NFTs loom dumb despite having tons of uses other than art or whatever.\n\nLike?", "That can be easily automated with the smart contract if that was what the event wanted, program it so 90% of the fee goes to the seller, 10% to the event organiser. \n\nAs for whether they’re better off setting up a ticket resale service, id say the market have pretty definitely answered that. People hate using those services, it’s part of why so many people buy tickets through Facebook marketplace and similar setups despite the risk.\n\nThen you have the question of how the event organiser ensures that tickets are legitimate, without NFTs what stops someone from photocopying a physical ticket or print screening an online one? There are possible solutions but I don’t think they’re clearly better than NFTs. \n\nAnd similar arguments apply to pretty much all cases where you want a unique identifier of legitimacy. Loads of collectibles come with certificates of authenticity, can you think of an easier way for a non-expert to verify that it’s legitimate than having a live public record that anyone can check at anytime?", "They WOULD be useful as a certificate of authenticity/ownership for real world systems. The dudes making commercial size barrels of whiskey and attaching ownership of the stored aging barrels to the NFTs, thereby allowing ownership of the aging product to accrue value and change ownership based on the quality of the product or market desires. I'd love to get all my REAL paintings reauthenticated and assigned NFT proof of ownership.", "Exactly that.\n\nYou could theoretically store images in there, but it would balloon out the size very quickly and blockchains need to be updated/transferred quickly. The larger the file gets, the more cumbersome the whole system gets.", "Or just someone that can analyze the simplest of trends. Ten years ago nft's didn't exist. Today some sell for millions. In ten years time, they will likely be even bigger.", "So it's not even like actually known who owns the nft? Anyone can just BS that they own whatever and the proof would be a link with some address like you just linked?", "NFT =/= Ownership or intellectual property rights of the original media. You own a token. That token is a digitally certified one-of-a-kind copy of the real thing. But it’s just that.\n\nWhoever actually owns the intellectual property rights is the one that gets to use it and get paid for it. This only works IF the IP is sold and legally tied to the NFT.\n\nAt that point that just seems like a way to simplify the transfer and sale of digital property…assuming it gains enough traction and mass adoption for it to work. Right now it feels like a way to get suckered out of money when all you own is a certified non-fungible copy. Someone else can still own that same shit for free without it being “the one”", "If you know nothing, what makes you think it's crap?", "Anybody interested in why NFTs are valuable should read these two threads:\n\n[https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1454612829248630790?t=H0Ju\\_uH1oPpvmN8as1jQ\\_g&s=19](https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1454612829248630790?t=H0Ju_uH1oPpvmN8as1jQ_g&s=19)\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://twitter.com/ShaanVP/status/1454151237650112512?t=xxXHeByIvfd1snRJkDF1Tg&s=19](https://twitter.com/ShaanVP/status/1454151237650112512?t=xxXHeByIvfd1snRJkDF1Tg&s=19)", "It’s a cool technology and it’s sad so many people aren’t interested because they’ve read a couple of scaremongering articles about how it’s all art scams and ruining the environment.", "Does this mean that if no one is doing mining, no additional transactions can occur?\n\nNever really understood this - does the mining of new blocks (via solving random computing puzzles) facilitate transactions between different people (which I believe are addresses on the chain)?\n\nOr does mining exist separately to moving transactions between different wallets?", "Bro.", "The artificial shaky cam when presenting text and screenshots is appalling, i'm trying to read you dense f#@$", "Yeah IPFS does directly rely on hosts in the mesh actually having those files and being online and having pieces to a file. Otherwise something is as good as gone still.", "Does nft's even give the buyer copyright?\n\nAfaik, the creator will retain all copyright to the image.", "Sort By > Controversial - Oh THERE are all the NFTBros I'm looking for :D", "Most NFTs have no status or exclusivity though.\n\nThere is a reason big auction houses sell physical objects and not hyper links to infinitely reproducible digital art.", "Meh, I'm gonna keep my 💎✋ on Beanie Babies, make that Jeff Bezos money.", "Ironically, Holochain (not blockchain) is the only architecture that allows the entire file binary of an NFT to be hashed and traded with both immutability and provenance.", "A free market is not an inherently ethical thing because harm can be relative and subjective. Technology like blockchain may offer several advantages, such as privacy, low fees for migrants sending remittances, etc. But it also brings with it challenges such as the potential to facilitate terrorism and a black market, as well as the ecological impact of mining.\n\n\nI have a pretty good example of potential harm of NFTs: They’re probably a scam. Just because someone believes a thing has value doesn’t mean it has value. The lack of understanding around what exactly NFTs are creates a huge potential for deception and fraud. No offense to Beeple, but “Salvator Mundi” this is not.", "No, they don't.", "At the expense of its security though so if someone or something saw it as a threat for whatever reason, the risk of a 51% attack is higher.", "This is 100% wrong. Owning an NFT on its own does not confer any copyright rights. Copyright law is pretty clear that you need to have something that shows copyright ownership was transferred, not just an NFT. The owner selling it needs to agree to transfer the copyright in addition to the NFT. You can own the NFT, but that doesn’t give you any rights other than the NFT unless it was explicitly agreed to.\n\nThis is also ignoring the fact that you have no idea if the person selling the NFT even owns the copyright. If they sell you copyright rights on something they don’t own, you (the buyer) could still be liable for copyright infringement later if the actual author finds out. Copyright infringement laws (at least in the US) don’t care if you intended to infringe on a copyright or not.\n\nPlease do some more research on NFTs and basic copyright law before you start telling people these things.\n\nEdit: a good example of what an NFT transaction is on its own is if the creator printed a print of their art and sold it to you. You don’t own the art (other than the print itself) so you can’t just reproduce it and start selling it to others. The only thing you can do is resell the print. The creator can also print more prints of the same art and sell it because they didn’t confer any copyright ownership just by selling you a print. Now just imagine the print was just a key pointing to the art. That’s what an NFT is.", ">Ever been scammed by someone selling fake or duplicates event tickets?\n\nNo I haven't. Uncopyable NFT tickets sounds great but I'm not convinced it would work. Would need to see a proof of concept at least, which not surprisingly doesn't exist. I remember years ago the next big Blockchain application was going to be trustless transactions, no middleman necessary. Still waiting on that one.", "You would yes, on most blockchains making an “entry” I.e. creating an NFT or selling/buying one requires you to pay “gas”. This is effectively a fee that goes to the people who verify the transaction (imagine the blockchain is a big book, you’re paying people to make a new entry “created NFT by person X at location Y” and to check everything is in order).\n\nThe fee will depend on the cost of transactions on the blockchain, for less efficient ones this could be prohibitively expensive (and therefore also bad for the environment), for efficient ones it could cost fractions of a cent (and so use even less than the equivalent cost in energy).\n\nSo yes there’s likely to be some sort of fee but the technology exists so that this would be fractions of a percent of even a moderately priced ticket at $10-15.", "True!", "So many people disagree with these.", "What if NFTsite 2 also points to that piece of art though? How do we decide who ACTUALLY owns it?", "you got a couple downvotes but i don't see a reply. are those offended people who bought in to them and are being passive-aggressive, or people who know more and consider it common knowledge that you may be wrong?\n\nthis is why i dislike an anonymous voting system. who downvoted you so that i may vet their opinion?", "What digital item though has more value than an exact bit for bit digital copy? Maybe one day one will but I don't know of one.", "Yeah, that's not an important question. It's an old one, and the answer is cryptography, which is also an old answer. All NFTs show is that encrypting data the size of images is hard and computationally expensive, and generally not worth doing.", "Its absolutely a problem for many (all?) current cryptocurrencies.", "But the ownership of the NFT provides no functional benefit. What good is it saying \"I own X\" if 20,000 other people also have X on their hard drive, and their X is no different from my X.\n\nWith a physical good I actually have something that they do not. I have a physical item, created by a person or persons, which cannot be easily reproduced, making it ACTUALLY unique. That is where its value comes from.", "If no one mines, no transactions happen. Transactions need to be added to the blockchain to occur. Each miner solves a puzzle and gets the mining reward for doing so. As they add that block to the blockchain, they can also bundle transaction records into that block - this earns them an additional fee. When you transact with bitcoin, you add a 'fee' to your transaction that is essentially a bid to the miner asking them to make space in their block to record your transaction. Each transaction they bundle means another fee they collect.", "At least some of the participants are walking that line.\n\nIronically, although this is a hilarious joke, it's also a more solid roadmap to profitability than any crypto venture I've ever seen:\n\n[https://nonfungibleolivegardens.com/](https://nonfungibleolivegardens.com/)\n\nThey sell NFTs representing the concept of an existing Olive Garden. Then they build enough hype to acquire enough clout to execute a leveraged buyout of the parent company of Olive Garden and transfer ownership of the actual stores to investors that own virtual Olive Garden location NFTs.", "Why does their conversation feel so fake? It feels as if they hashed this out all through Discord or something and then set up an actual interview where Coffeezilla would pretend to be hearing all of this for the first time.", "You don't even need a \"buyer\" you can just buy it from yourself using a different address that has your unlaundered money in it.", ">\tNow what happens if the pixel art changes and I am now stuck with a picture of a rug? \n\nThis should be impossible due to the way the images are usually linked. Each image is hashed, like a fingerprint for data, and the link points to a file with a particular hash. By design, it's nearly impossible to make another image with the same hash. \n\n>\tWhat happens if someone else LINKED the same NFT art and sold it to someone else? \n\nThis is totally possible, nothing at all stopping someone from doing this. The only consolation is that one can trace back both NFTs to their original creators and one will hopefully be recognizable as the \"real\" one. \n\n>\tHow do you bring value to this given there are two owners and the art is gone?\n\nThat's assuming there was any value to begin with. It's entirely up to demand, if you've got an NFT that someone will buy for lots of money, that's your answer, and if no one wants it then that's your answer too.", "It isn't buying the right to access it. Nobody has ever claimed it was as far as I know. Think of it like physical art. Like a famous painting can be in a museum or house, but there can be digital copies everywhere. Only one original physical copy. That's what an NFT of a digital sort of. It's the transferable ownership of the art. The artists who don't produce physical art work can sell their digital art. \n\nI don't know why you would buy one though. I don't see the appeal of owning it past the patronage to the artist I guess.", "Lol what? What is most? \n\nDoes most art made by random artists have status? No. That's the nature of exclusivity, not everything can have status or exclusivity otherwise that status is worthless. \n\nAnd large auction houses (sotheby) do participate in nft and cite it as an area of growth. Sothebys had their largest revenue year ever and a decent chunk is due to nfts and they were a small participant in the space. \n\nThe auction houses that don't partcipate do not because they are ill equipped to and are being left behind. They have been around centuries and nft only started booming last year. They aren't choosing to be left out of the highest revenue growing art marketplace (9b usd this last year). \n\nOf course openseas and the new auction houses like it are better positioned due to lower fees, easier access, and better web 3.0 integration, as well as just housing more of the millenials purchasing this stuff. \n\nThis would just be the next in the long line of incumbent industries being swallowed by new tech alternatives", "He lives an awesome life, I’ve been following him for quite a while just as a tech guy. Lives in a camper van in Australia. Dirt in the fingernails is definitely from spending time directly before this interview doing cool / fun shit. He’s smart as hell, too.", "Then you have web3 ecosystems where they will only authenticate and accept the original certificate\n\nSo your argument is kind of half truth that over simplifies and ignores scenarios where nfts are used for actual utility", "It does kinda seem that way lol", "I mean nfts are just rich people stream lineing the art show tax dodge", "And yet it essentially never is", "Only the artist gets to decide distribution, just like an mp3", "lmao perfect ELI5", "Even the ones intended to be used as currency never are", "You believe someone owning 51% of all Ethereum is a risk? That's >$239B currently. Certainly would be easier to buy miners with that money to get 51% in a proof-of-work", "And even though you own the map, the person can move the treasure or destroy it. And he can also give away copies of the map or 1000 people might have maps too", "There's already a dao for one of the us cities using nfts", "No. That's why they dropped the 'currency' bit, because half the stuff labelled 'crypto' these days \\can't\\ be used as currency.", "Yeah, pretty much. The full extent of your \"ownership\" of the star is your name box on a spreadsheet on the star registry company's servers. On the same level, the full extent of your ownership of an NFT is essentially the same thing but on a decentralized network, with an entirely abstract token associated with your crypto wallet. Neither offer any actionable rights whatsoever. Neither require any of the involved parties, including the seller, to have any rights to what they're selling the first place. NFTs only connect the token to the creator if you already know who the legitimate creator is.", "Bankers fly around a lot and make co2 ethereum doesnt have bankers and doesn't fly around. Just computers.", "I understand that Stonetoss made like $3million in one night selling them, so satire or not, I can see why people are interested.", "> accept the original certificate\n\n\nPlease define \"original\".", "No one into NFT cares about this guy's site, it's just click bait for anti NFT people. Probably will have a name change, but in a couple years they will be so common hating them will be like the people that hated electricity because it killed people or hating email because it's a waste of energy and takes money from the post office. History is full of inventions that people hated because they don't immediately see value for themselves in it", "Can we get a sticky list of all the ways people try to explain Blockchain in this post?", "It's not known publicaly unless if the person announces they own a certain nft publicaly or people know the address of that persons wallet. The person with the private keys for their crypto wallet is the owner and they can prove it through the blockchain", "I buy my NFTs from Butters.", "It’s a pretty common occurrence, I see people selling tickets on various groups I’m in regularly and most days there’s at least a couple of posts of people reporting being scammed. \n\nNFTs are by definition not copyable, they’re unique on their blockchain.\n\nIn what sense do you consider transaction on Bitcoin and Ethereum not to be trustless? In the sense that that term is used within cryptocurrency they definitely meet it, you can send billions of pounds to whomever you like without needing to trust any single individual or financial institution.", "Who needs the block chain though? Originator can just write digitally sign a receipt and email it to you. There's your proof. Unless you can break the encryption, you can't fake it. If you want to show it off, you could host it on any kind of website.\n\nWhat does the block chain add?", "Even shorter TL;DW: an NFT is an electronic treasure map with your name on it.", "Can you add more crypto marketing buzz words into your next reply please. /s", "In software nothing is unhackable. A 51% attack is an extremely rare possibility. There's over ~~200,000~~ ethereum nodes and someone would have to own over ~~100,000~~ of them. It would be detectable before this happened, if one person started to own too many of them\n\nEdit: I meant to write 2 million nodes but it's actually 3.1 million nodes", "It’s not a good explanation. The average NFT is more like a rich person paying a museum to SAY the own the Picasso. The rich person would not be able to take the Picasso home and never really had it any point. And the museum could also sell the same rights to “owning” that Picasso to a bunch of other people.", "Why do people buy first editions? Why do people buy items used on movie sets. Why do people buy banksys? I can get a fake copy of most famous art that's textured and looks indistinguishable (to me) from an original. I'm not saying that's the same, in fact that's my very point. However what I am daying is any benefit the original artwork provides over a fake must exist in your head, since you cannot tell the two apart by any physical means. That's the same for owning an nft (as far as the \"functional\" benefit goes) \n\nMany museums often replace their art with fakes while preserving the original. They put up a sign but many don't read it and take selfies with the art etc. People still derive value from the idea that it is the original. And that is what you get with NFTs. Like all of the above, it's the receipt, the certificate of authenticity. \n\nYou say a physical item cannot be easily reproduced. Well that's debatable but it certainly costs on the order of thousands to replicate famous artwork to the point where its near impossible (incl with spectroscopy) to tell it apart. Yet some art is worth millions. Why? There is a chain of custody that establishes it as authentic, unlike fakes. Again, that is what you get with NFTs. Auction houses and museums would love if every artwork they bought had a permanent, unremovable and fakeable ledger of ownership and authenticity that came with it, and NFTs have that for free. Art carries risk (a lot of large auctions involve fakes, some estimates put it in the high double digit % of auctions) \n\nLook the very idea that we're talking about what is either art or an investment and you're talking about its functional benefit means youre missing the point.", "The value of the card is typically based on scarcity. Digital scarcity, atleast for art NFTs, doesn't exist because they can be copied perfectly an infinite number of times and there is really no true original.\n\nThis is different for NFTs like the bored apes, since the image itself is immaterial, your token is representative of a unique seat in their community. That has value because there are only so many seats at the table, but it's purely speculative value and eventually a lot of people will likely end up sat in some very expensive seats with very little to show for it.", "Cost is far more than monetary. It requires far more compute and storage due to the increasing size of the ledger. And encrypting/decrypting processes are very expensive. \n\nCrypto will never be a viable form of payment.", "But once its \"distributed\" to a user, if that user resells it the artist is in no way involved any more. So you buy an NFT from <artist> You sell NFT to a second person. 10 years later second person goes to sell his nft, but now there is another NFT tracker also pointing to his NFT. Who decides who the real owner is?", "You didn't watch the video. They discussed what you brought up, and why that too would be a disaster.", "The example is good because the worth really depends on whether owning that unique entry on the blockchain is actually special at all. For most art NFTs, there’s a fair case right now that it’s not. But if the NFTs were event tickets that the organiser would use to determine who had a legitimate ticket then there is an actionable right worth paying for that can’t be duplicated by just copying the details (e.g. the image in the case of art).\n\nNFTs don’t mean meme art pictures, they just mean unique entries on a public ledger. There’s crappy applications of those but there’s also some that are likely to be genuinely useful.", "Vast majority have no copy right license attached. It's why one dude sold his crypto punk, can't do anything with it. BAYC would be the most known that does(universal has a music group based around them now) , albeit I'll assume there's more now.", "> All value is artificial. All value is created because there is consensus that something is worth X.\n\nI don't agree with this. Value is subjective, not artificial, and doesn't require consensus.", "Well he's correct.", "I see. Thanks for clarifying", "> The entire torrent is 17.76 TERABYTES\n\nI know, because I downloaded the entire torrent. I have a 10 gpbs connection and over 170 tb storage at home so it's no big deal. And I can indeed tell you that it's mostly empty. In fact, you don't even need to download it. You can just verify using the sha hashes in the torrent metadata: https://gist.github.com/zhuowei/ebd5601f7dd8e5ee186bf302874e0a4c, and any torrent client wort it's salt would not download the same piece repeatedly.", "You can move to more efficient systems, Bitcoin was the original and use proof of work, which is very inefficient. Newer alternatives like proof of stake are orders of magnitudes more efficient and can even get close to the energy costs of traditional payment processors.\n\nComplaining about all cryptocurrencies being bad for the environment is like complaining that all cars, whether it’s a 4x4 diesel or the latest Tesla, are bad for the environment. Some are, some aren’t, it’s not an inherent flaw in the technology.", "possession is 9/10 of the law. so if you right click the actual data picture thing, according to common law, you \"own\" it more than the NFT buyer lol. (im not a lawyer, dont quote me)", "There's 3.1 million ethereum nodes with a history of every transaction. Would you rather scan a document manually 3.1 million times (or even 100 times) or would you rather click a button once", "Every transaction is publicly listed on the chain, so the original distributor info is never lost", "But does the chain not just link to a site? What happens if one of these NFT sites goes busto?", "The problem of confirming authenticity or verifying identity in a digital space is really not the problem that blockchains addresses. Blockchain can establish that an entity (represented as a public key) has transferred ownership of some unique identifier to another entity (also a public key) with distributed consensus. It doesn't say anything about the originality, authenticity or identity of any of those entities, nor is it designed to.", "321 rule for data back up. \n\n3 copies, 2 types of media, 1 off site. \n\nI’m cautious so I double that. \n\n6 copies across various storage solutions is reasonable and works. We don’t need 3.1 million copies.", "Yes, basically all things that use blockchain and are open to the wide world so they grow big. The larger the user base of a blockchain the more computational power and traffic it uses.", "\"since police and government are the ultimate authority, we shouldn't have any paper contracts of any kind.\"\n\nHow does that make sense?", ">Citing a hypothetical future to bolster the current environmental nightmare is deeply dishonest.\n\nIt’s not really a hypothetical, Cardano is the 7th largest cryptocurrency by market cap and it used proof of stake and there are many others. \n\nAnd for all the concern about the environmental effects everyone should remember that cryptocurrencies are nowhere near as damaging as behaviours many of us engage in like long distance flying or eating meat. However when the environmental costs of those are brought up people tend to get very hostile and emotional because that would actually require them to alter their lifestyles.", "Because it's provable by both parties that someone signed a document and someone received the document. The blockchain is all about proofs that something happened and peoples wallets contain a private key that only they own which proves who signed something. Of course the case you mentioned would be a forgery, but is that edge case of probably one in a million enough to throw out all the benefits ?\n\nProof of Stake is very low energy. The Binance Smart Chain blockchain that has the most transactions by far (5x of the 2nd leading blockchain) is proof of stake, meaning there's no mining, so there's no more energy that would be used than just sending an email or something. The Proof of Work blockchains are the environmentally unfriendly ones that have mining. Ethereum is proof of work but ethereum 2 which is coming soon is proof of stake.", "> resides on many different server\n\nThough critically only on the servers that want to keep it around. Otherwise it may be \"garbage collected\" and needs to be re-hosted on IPFS by someone who still has the _exact_ file.\n\nThis is similar to bittorrent where in theory a bunch of different peers would have your download, but in practice you'd sometimes come across less popular files that were partially or entirely incomplete.", "I hate websites that do that.\n\nBut there are so many alternatives. Dragging the image to a folder or your desktop. Or grabbing it from your browser's cache. Etc.", "They gave you a well thought out opinion on the matter and you continue to deflect and add nothing to the discussion.\n\nYou're kind of an asshole.", "Honestly, I'm willing to admit that I don't know enough about crypto to to answer this very well, but yes, anything using the proof of work model contributes to the power consumption issues.\n\nI don't know enough about proof of stake to know how it works.", "there are chains with metadata schema complexity required to store the requisite license data and apps can certainly be developed for this use case explicitly. Until then NFTs are not dissimilar to the movies' you buy on a streaming services, essentially long term leases for limited personal usages.", "Just sounds like gambling right now. Sometimes you roll a rock and gravity does a thing, and now you're rich, other times you're poor.\n\nJust another game for humans to obsess over and wear cool hats.", "In this thread many people are acting like NFTs are one thing and using a single example, but in reality NFTs are many different things. People love the example of screenshotting a picture.\n\nSome NFTs are more like game pieces for the McDonald's monopoly game and they unlock real world prizes and events. NFTs can be combined for higher prizes.", "There is nothing immoral or unethical about buying and selling NFTs if you are just trying to do it for fun or make a profit.", "I've never been interested in scams like \"buy a piece of the moon\" or \"name a star\" but I've definitely been tempted to pay the $50 for the tiny piece of Scotland to go by the title of \"Lord Evranch\". Probably because my ancestors once owned land there before coming to Canada.\n\nNot quite tempted enough to bother to confirm if there's any legitimacy to it, though. I feel like it's almost definitely just the same sort of scam.", "that is literally what an NFT is, how is that the purpose of this video?", "Don't want to, hence why I didn't.", "Every time I ran into those messages I said to myself 'ITS ON' and made sure to save it in other ways.", "If nobody buys the site it becomes worthless, but the sheer value of the portfolio would offer profit incentives for another site to buy it and they can convert the tokens. All of this would be reflected in the NFT value", "It's basically like buying a piece of paper that tells you how to go look at a bridge somewhere.", "Give it time. Emergent tech is always treated this way. Internet in 1995, Blockchain in 2012, NFTs today.", "Doesn't change the point that massive computation will likely be removed making CO2 less of a concern.", "At this point there are Bitcoin miners buying up mothballed coal plants, so the line between energy production and crypto is pretty damn blurry now.\n\nI think this sort of behaviour will be the thing that finally kills PoW cryptos, it's such ridiculously bad press that governments will likely come down with a ban at some point due to emissions regulations.", "I agree the art stuff is massively over-hyped, like i was saying in my original comment that it's unfortunate NFTs have a reputation of being only for art. And yes there would be edge cases where ownership goes missing if someone dies for example. But there's a lot of other benefits around proof of ownership of something digital, it just takes time for people to develop the use cases into products. Art is one, video game items is another, concert tickets, books, house leases and agreements, birth certificates, just about anything like that where its good to have a record of it. It's easily automate-able and analyse-able too which is much more difficult with piles of paper documents\n\nThe blockchain is like a middleman between two parties to agree on something and have it recorded someone that has an extremely unlikely chance of being tampered with, like one in a zillion. With a regular database the database owner can tamper with whatever they like. You can attach short messages to blockchain transactions too, that might be how the NFTs with copyright the guy in the video talks about are handling it, i'm not sure, but that's probably an easy way to do it", "Thanks. The funny thing is I spend all day at work (I work at a tech company with a lot of NFT obsessed people) doing the exact opposite and mentioning the flaws of NFTs, which I think the original video linked here does well. I think he thinks I am some sort of NFT fanboy even though I have no plans to own any in the short term and think it is in a bubble (that doesn't mean it's a bad investment, it just means you need to manage risk and know when to get out) \n\nI just saw this thread and a few other misrepresenting this fad/trend (whatever you prefer) and it reminded me a lot of how ppl responded to websites during the dot com bubble etc. Like I get it, it is in a bubble rn, but it also has some value and will equilibrate at some point. And you can either participate in it, or just follow it passively, but ignore it or call it worthless at your own peril I guess...", "Correct. The same is true with Top Shots. Each card/gif is minted a set number of times (which you know before purchasing/buying a pack) and the value of those NFTs is directly related to its rarity and the desirability of the player/play. \n\nI can’t speak for art NFTs, I’m not involved with them as a buyer seller or creator but I don’t think throwing the entire concept of an NFT out based on how early adopter artists/art purchasers are using/abusing it. \n\nThe art market as a whole is totally messed up and rife with abuse, fraud and counterfeits and it’s not surprising that issues like that follow it across technologies. \n\nI don’t wholly disagree with the points that you’re making (though we could quibble over the existence of an original and whether reproductions can be made of art (or even how intrinsic that is to the price of say an art print vs an original piece). \n\nA lot (maybe even the vast majority) of these NFTs are absolute junk and the people buying them don’t care about the art itself, it’s more about getting a token with a date on it. On some level I understand it though. If I was around when the printing press first got started, I’d consider buying something printed even if the content of it was absolute junk just so I could have an early product of a revolutionary technology, even better if it came with something that could be dated (signature first edition paper for example) and maybe it would be worth something some day. \n\nA lot of those folks will get burned but I suspect they know what they’re getting themselves into.", "Open developer tools, refresh the page, go to network tab, filter by \"img\", sort by file size.", "I once printed a minister license off the internet and pretend-married my friends", "The images don't matter, everyone is obsessing on the images but missing the point of non-fungible tokens.\n\nGetting into the bored ape party is the valuable thing. Many of the richest and most influential people are bored apes; having a ticket to that club is valuable, currently $200,000 entry cost.", "If they didn't want people to make money off of their artwork they shouldn't have made their artwork publicly visible for the whole freaking Internet.", "> But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic.\n\nAnd through the blockchain everyone could see that this certificate is not the original. That's the whole point actually.\n\nEdit: you boomers really don't understand this shit huh", "Yes, and when they are used that way everyone will 180 on the tech.", "> most of it is probably produced via burning coal or gas\n\nA lot of it is hydroelectric. \"Miners\" are still usually paying for the power they use, and hydroelectric is cheap.", "Right, and those bank owners flying around the world in their private jets are just a consequence of \"more users\" too.", "You can just go by Lord Evranch as an 'alias' without paying the $50 just saying your are one has the same legal 'power' as buying the land. There is no legal authority in them letting you buy the land for the title it is bs and only recognized by them.", "Bitcoin miners in aggregate currently earn about 45 million USD worth of bitcoin in rewards and transaction fees every day, and they're expected to spend a good chunk on that on electricity costs.", "But how does the collectible stay tracked with the NFT? What if the previous owner dies or loses their wallet? Now the collectible becomes worthless?", "You lost. You're the one who remembers the image now.\n\n¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "I agree", ">Would need to see a proof of concept at least, which not surprisingly doesn't exist.\n\nWow, new technology hasn't fully implemented all the ideas yet? Humanity is so slow!", "There's more uses than just copies of data. There's numerous institutional investors and large companies using blockchain tech now. Ripple is used in dozens of the largest banks. If you have a better system then you should develop it because you'd be a billionaire overnight\n\nhttps://www.xrparcade.com/world-top-100-banks\n\nEdit: forgot to add, with the cloud dev stuff I do on azure there's dozens of copies of something all over the world when i'm using geo-redundant storage. It's pretty common these days", "Perfect, then it'll be set up to ensure that the rich get richer.", "Well said.\n\nThere's an unhealthy mix of people either feigning ignorance and arguing in bad faith or simply scared of anything new and have to default to parroting what the media tells them to think.", "That's clearly an entirely separate issue from how ATMs vs blockchains work and I don't think you don't know that.", "I think his point is that you can make an unlimited number of NFTs against the same content, with or without the consent of the content creator.", "Because those things provide value to people’s lives", "The nft would be unique and he would \"own\" that NFT. But the item it's pointed to would not necessarily be unique.\n\nBut you seem to be making an argument about usefulness in response to a comment about uniqueness, which is weird", "10 years is an extremely relatively short time for a piece of technology with the potential of this. A LOT of things will change and adjust and innovate before the perfect version takes off like a rocket. For now people are trying to catch that rocket. Speculation is definitely a big part of it, but serious crypto people are looking at way more than market volatility when they start investing in these things. Ethereum in particular has a lot of promises on the table, but a lot of proof of development and research towards the goals they're trying to achieve. Others have literally dissolved into the wind because what they offered wasn't remotely possible with the tech they had, so you have to move carefully when you're investing in the ones you really think have a shot at making the final clap that starts the bang.\n\nA huge amount of it is the uninformed following trends, which pays off for the people who are working critically. Serious investors are using that goofy hype to stack money to invest in the technologies they actually want to see pull off what they're trying to. In the end people playing around with investing in it is a net good thing even if some people lose their ass. We don't play tiddly winks with the stock market, why would we with this? Smart investing still has a small amount of betting in it, and idiots will try to use it like a slot machine but that's their choice. Enough of them succeed that it seems achievable to the everyman.", "Contempt for money is another trick of the rich to keep the poor without it.", "So only buy ones that can be traced back to the creator", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole", "Yes but the NFT would have to be connected to some sort of centralized database that logs who owns what NFT. I'm not sure this is an improvement on the existing system.\n\nIf I use Bitcoin to buy a physical item online I just have to \"trust\" that that person will send my item after I pay. If they rip me off there's nothing I can really do about it. Years ago crypto proponents were crowing that \"trustless transactions\" were going to revolutionize this type of activity, maybe using smart contracts or something. Anytime I asked questions they would get more and more vague until claiming that I just didn't understand the technology. There are still no trustless transactions.", "Desktop version of /u/Logstar's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "Ignorant", "As someone who watched their Magic Cards lose thousands of dollars when they got reprinted, I get it all too well.", "More like the amount of power used by small European nations.", "Oh yeah, so it's just \"name a star\" all over again. Well, glad I didn't waste my $50 then, lol.", "Victor. Do your thing.", "Are you for real? NFTs existed for over a year now and you're just now realizing that you don't really own anything if you buy one? \n\nPeople have been trying to reason why NFTs aren't actually useless for so long, and THIS is the thing that finally makes everyone see what they really are? Because they're basically nothing. Literally. You own exactly nothing. You're paying money for nothing. Has been like this since the beginning and I absolutely can't fathom how dense people have to be to not notice that for over a year.", "In Firefox shift+right-click should always show the native menu.\n\nI use it mostly on YouTube so I can get to Picture-in-Picture.", "You can make unlimited ones pointing the same thing. So maybe like just a reissue one from the estate? I dunno.", "NFT is not about owning a unique version of the item it points to, it is about having a unique token issued to you that you can exchange. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the use cases that are possible.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>But you seem to be making an argument about usefulness in response to a comment about uniqueness, which is weird\n\nDid you miss his comment?\n\n>NFT is really useless\n\nYou should fully read if you're going to critique.", "Yea a reporter snuck into one of those. They weren't using NFTs to identify anyone, just yellow wristbands, and it sounds like it was a pretty lame party. Good read for anyone who thinks this is the future: https://www.theverge.com/22824387/bored-ape-yacht-club-nft-party-new-york", "Gullible fool.", "> The value of the card is typically based on scarcity. Digital scarcity, atleast for art NFTs, doesn't exist because they can be copied perfectly an infinite number of times and there is really no true original.\n\nI mean, are you telling me you don't think people could reprint scarce baseball cards? Or that people don't reproduce famous paintings in mass quantities as posters? That's what the blockchain aspect of nft's does - it shows that it's the original image. I'm not personally interested in buying nft art, but it seems similar to what happens with tangible things too so I don't get the hate. I'm hoping that there will be more useful applications in the future though.", "Exactly this. it's a technology that's still in it's infancy and right now this is the way it's being bolstered, people exploring it starting with the most basic use case. People are already building upon it to use it for so many moree things.", "Incorrect.\n\nFirst, you are trusting that the mining cartels won't collude to modify the blockchain. Capitalism without regulation always degenerates into a monopoly, which is just autocracy by another name. Eventually all the mining power will be concentrated with a few actors, if that's not already the case.\n\n(spoiler: it's already the case)\n\nSecondly, you're trusting people to give a shit. You can wave around your signed cash all you want, and easily invent new cryptographically signed cash or whatever other tokens.\n\nYou still require society's consensus that those tokens have value. For example, a government might decide, \"Fuck this guy in particular. Everything signed with his private key is null and void.\" Or a crowd might decide, \"Fuck this cryptocurrency in particular. It's worthless.\"", ">Good news is, ethereum which is the blockchain where all NFTs are stored will move to proof of stake soon\n\nNarrator: But, they didn't.", "AMC gave NFTs to the first 86,000 people who bought Spider-Man No Way Home tickets through them, and I have no idea what to do with mine or how to view it", "But what if I copy your work and sign as mine? Now there are two Blockchain addresses for the same thing.", "You can tell how much of something is a scam by the ability to talk about it being a scam without being dogpiled.", "NFT's aren't just pictures and art. A lot of things are being developed to be sold as NFT's.", "When did I say any such thing? There are way more ideas out there than there are successful applications, it's pretty normal to want to see something actually working before declaring it the future.", "NFTs just sound like a boring version of Yugioh collecting to me tbh", "NFTs are what happens when neckbeards try to understand art.", "I may be mistaken, but from what I understand assets can live on the Ethereum decentralized network. So long as that network exists, those assets would be persistent. I still think NFTs for collectibles or whatever is pointless, but yours is at least one argument that has an answer.", "The fact that this exists on this scale points towards some really heavy illegal stuff.\n\nMoney laundering for one.", "F12 and element picker", "Its funny how all these digital currencies have yet to be used as currency....", ">When you upload data to an IPFS, that data is represented by a unique code. You would then use that code to fetch your content from many servers, as it knows exactly what it is looking for.\n\nAnd the NFT points to that code? I don't understand how the NFT/Blockchain and the IPFS code link up.", "Think about famous photographs then maybe? There are photos by famous photographers that sell for lots of cash. Those can literally copied, but it's the one's labled \"1/1\" or whatever that are the originals that sell for more.", "Have you never heard of redbubble? or any of the NUMEROUS other online printing sites that don't gaf about where you got the images? you can make literally anything on it. T-shirts, prints, high quality canvas prints, hoodies, coozies, mugs, seriously any kind of quick print merch you can think of, you can order and you can get bulk discounts but you're still paying more than going to a legit above the board print shop. Most people use it to make things for themselves or to make as gifts, but PLENTY of people are using it to sell. Not to mention the images and designs people print, get stored on their database and are not private so others can continue to buy that design from them. OH and you can open shops on it like etsy where you upload \"your\" designs and sell them to other users, I forgot about that part.", "They’re perpetuating he idea that buying NFTs is buying art or buying anything of value.\n\nYou’re not buying the artwork when you buy an NFT.\n\nEven if they claim that they’re selling you the copyright to an image who do you think will give a fuck about your ownership of said image it if it’s just a random image of an ape that is no different from anyone else’s random image.", "Christmas lights in the US account for [6.6 TWh of energy consumption per year](https://www.cgdev.org/blog/us-holiday-lights-use-more-electricity-el-salvador-does-year). So far, the highest possible estimate for NFTs is that they've used 7 TWh to date since their creation in 2017, based on an average of [369 kWh per transaction](https://memoakten.medium.com/analytics-the-unreasonable-ecological-cost-of-cryptoart-72f9066b90d) and [~19 million NFT transactions to date](https://nonfungible.com/market/history).", "So built imgur but for blockchains i am with them", "[Tulip mania](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania) \n \n >Tulip mania (Dutch: tulpenmanie) was a period during the Dutch Golden Age when contract prices for some bulbs of the recently introduced and fashionable tulip reached extraordinarily high levels, with the major acceleration starting in 1634 and then dramatically collapsing in February 1637. It is generally considered to have been the first recorded speculative bubble or asset bubble in history. In many ways, the tulip mania was more of a then-unknown socio-economic phenomenon than a significant economic crisis.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Wait, why wouldn't that be the case? I thought it was a contractual-like proof of ownership of the asset. If this isn't the case, I may lose some faith in nfts.", "A lot of people are so turned on by the fervent disdain for the current most popular way it's being sold, they're oblivious to what's being developed or what already is being done on it. It's way more than shitty images and gifs lol.", ">A) the vast majority don't\n\nSo? That doesn't change whether or not the technology can be valuable.\\\\\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>B) a lot of the stuff you can get with other NFTs are fucking stupid and most people dont care \n\nIf it's stupid then I don't care either, what's your point?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>C) there are far more efficient, NONE nft ways to have private membership programs that don't waste so much electricity and are more transparent\n\nNFTs allow a common platform for exchange and ownership.", "The NFT gaming market is slowly brewing up, though publishers like Ubisoft and EA shouldn’t mislead anyone with their NFT cashgrabs. \n\nThere are actually use cases for NFTs like a secondary used digital market, where gamers as well as publishers make Bank via Ethereum‘s blockchain system. [GameStop is rumored to build a marketplace.](https://nft.gamestop.com/)", "I'm seeing the entire internet loose its shit debating over NFTs being a scam or not and I remember this same exact debate in 2010 or so for Bitcoin. I believed that shit and missed out big time as 99% of people did back then.", "Isn't this the case for anything digital? Movies, tv shows, etc.", "It will put a huge dent in it but no it will still be awful", "Who owns the photo?", "TL:DR?", "Extremely informative. I had sort of figured out a couple of these issues, but this both clarified them and went above and beyond. Thanks to you both!", "Its only half of staked eth, not all eth", "\\lose != loose\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI think the solution for someone losing access to their NFT deed would be the government invalidating the old deed and issuing a new one. The benefit becomes you can exchange deeds anonymously without going through the process; but this cuts out transparency of who/what owns which houses, which is important for society.", "I thought NFT was some Myers-Briggs type of shit.", "Is data loss a realistic concern? What kind of redundancy is built into IPFS? Are any of these bytes duplicated across nodes? How much duplication?", "Buying an NFT is not buying the art.\n\nStop comparing it to buying physical objects.", "> What does the block chain add?\n\nMillions of tons of CO2 production for energy for unnecessary computation and a buzzword.", "I guess unless we’re talking about original film or if the photograph print was crafted in some unique way, I think I fail to see the value in owning an original photograph.", "Honest question, why not? And if what you said is true, is it true of all nfts? I can't imagine someone buying an nft of an art piece and not also acquiring the rights to and ownership of the artwork. That's like the whole point as far as I understand.", "Yeah dude, the other day I went to the louve and right clicked on all the paintings by the old masters. So many idiots squabbling over worthless paintings when I can just come in and save it with my camera", "I might be able to if I'd actually read up on how NFT works. I have not. 😅But I guessed that whomever generates the NFT signs it as the creator of the token, such as verifying someone's public key with PKI cryptography? And then blockchain tracks transfers of ownership back to the original generator and first assignee?", "respect", "I'm curious are you vegan?", "You do realize you can cryptographically validate tickets without a blockchain, correct? There's absolutely no benefits whatsoever to putting tickets on a blockchain because distribution is already centralized.", "Where is the failure point in Bitcoin blockchain? The trust is distributed across the community based on which algorithms the miners decide to use.", "I pretty much agree with you. Same as with \"official prints\" of other forms of art. But my thought process is that people still buy those for more money than just printing their own copy, so I'm having a hard time seeing how nfts are different in that respect.", "Self certification doesn’t work. That’s why when you buy a property the paperwork has to be notarized.\n\nI self certify that I am the owner of this bit pattern. There we go, all good.", "Its literally what it is", "Do bored apes have a micropenis?", "That guy thinks he's a genius but he's completely missing the point. It's not about storing or hosting the photo on the blockchain, it's about tracking who the legal owner is at any given time (provenance) \n\nMarvel release 10,000 digital formats of their #1 First Edition comic? Those 10,000 customers own the right to all of them. Nobody else can issue a digital copy of those comics. Yes, there are jpegs and torrents on the Internet but they are not the real deal. The only ones with value are the ones officially released by Marvel with the owners recorded on the blockchain. It would take the remaining life of the universe to beat the encryption so nobody can mess with the originals. That is why they have value and they are not simply URL's.\n\nFully expecting to get downvoted to oblivion because I don't suit the narrative here. There's plenty of documentaries and books to better understand blockchain and NFT's.", ">where \"real world\" law would step in and lawyers would get involved.\n\nAnd this entails most of the current real world process is needed still anyways. So what is the benefit?", "You throw your wallet into the ocean and cackle now no one can own the house!", "FBI wants to know your location", "Can't be worse than the methane cows produce for the meat industry", "Doesn't resolve what happens for missing keys, which requires the current system to resolve.", "no one would confuse the original Mona Lisa with a picture of the Mona Lisa. No one would confuse an original 1956 print of a card with the actual card. Is there counterfeit? sure. There's also counterfeit dollar bills or many other things. The counterfeits don't have real value though and aren't seen as legitimate (it is also illegal to reproduce images that you don't have the rights to). For baseball cards, cards often ARE reprinted and guess what? the values of the original cards goes down but some people ascribe value to the original print run. Another example is like the first edition holographic charizard. could you make a copy of it on a computer? sure! but it's illegal and if detected you'd go to prison. NFTs don't have that protection. and has pokemon made more charizard cards? sure but the original \"first edition\" is what has the most value. Also did you listen to the actual interview? NFTs DONT have anything to do with original image. It's just a hyperlink to where the image is supposed to be hosted.", "... this is the same as anything before it on the internet.. you can copy it and maybe do some creative stuff and release it modified.. but if you monitize it the NFT says you own that image and dictates the history of your purchase through the block chain... As opposed to earlier methods of validating false artwork claims this is super advanced.", "? They're used as currency every day.", "Yeah that's true. People thought AOL was the future of the internet, and now we have Facebook. So... There's that..", "Well said", "I'll give it to them... As an NFT", "I feel like if it's a satire of anything it's of the high art world. Value is relative, and clout can be monetized.", "It isn't about the image at all. As so many people point out you can easily just right-click and save the image.\n\nThe value of BAYC comes from their exclusive club they built.\n\nYou are partially correct though, BAYC can mint an infinite number of NFTs and this would devalue them.", "It's your right to display the authentic version proved via block chain. This will matter.. just think famous art peices. No one values a copy as much as the original even if they are basically the same.", "The point is, shitting on cryptocurrency because \"it's bad for the environment\" is rather disingenuous when its environmental impact is a fraction of that of its competition. Plus it's pretending that all* blockchains use proof of work, which hasn't been the case since, uh, 2012.", "“The ultimate authority that the police and government use to determine ownership of property”\n\nYou own property because the government of the country you live in has determined that the land of that country can be privately owned and that you will be allowed to enter into a contract with the current owner to transfer that ownership. \n\nThis government also empowers the police to protect this ownership right by allowing you to call them and demand that a trespasser be taken away from your property.\n\nNo ownership of property can exist without either government protection of this system\n\nIf I hack your NFT wallet and obtain the deed to your house, and then call the police on you and demand that you are removed from the property based solely on the claim by this NFT, should the police remove you from that house?\n\nWhat if I steal your identity and claim that the NFT proving home ownership points to me?", "I posted the same video yesterday but down downvoted on the post. Oh well.", "Clearly you have good knowledge on copyright law, however your argument falls apart with your art print metaphor. NFTs are unique, and can only be sold once. That's the whole point - it's not something where multiple copies are made by the legitimate artist and sold on. It's non-fungible i.e. unique. If there were multiple identical copies made and sold by the original artist, it would be fungible and not an NFT.\n\nI have to assume you're correct and I'm wrong on the legal stuff. We're talking about the crypto space though, and about images someone bought for 100k that you can literally just save to your computer. The legal side of things is not that relevant. Is there any example you can point to of an NFT artist not allowing the legitimate buyer of their art to display it publicly? I doubt it. Will it ever be a big concern? Unlikely. Nobody would buy the work of the artist if they're unable to display it as they see fit. My legal argument was not correct, but my overall argument is solid. If you buy an NFT from legitimate chain of custody, you can display it as you see fit and the artist will not do anything about it.", "Hey, this is a simple one, and one where you are most definitely wrong. An NFT can very well be attached to a Smart Contract that will automatically execute its rules. Thus preventing corruption by controlling things at the core mathematical level. \n\nIt’s a fallacy to say that you need a centralized system to control all things, only very subjective terms are required of a human eye and interpretation of the law, 99% of terms and rules can be solved by 1+1=2.\n\nSorry for poor English. ESL.\n\nEdit: forgot to address the DL one, in this case the DMV would control the NFT, you would just hold the public key to it. Furthermore it could also be multi-sig, so not just the DMV is required to modify/update it, and other controlling parties could be participants, making it much simple and fairer. Or maybe you need your own signature to view it, but only the DMV can update it. Also, it’s automatically invalidated when it expires, and store digitally so can’t be falsified.", "But this was already known.\n\nDo people not know this already?", ">🇮🇹 Stage 5: Early Access to Open-World Olive Garden RPG (console TBA)\n\nLmao", "I have no plan to engage with NFTs but it seems people are being purposefully obtuse when it comes to understanding this. \n\nA baseball card's percentage of value is only minutely made up of its physical attributes like card stock and ink. \n\nNFTs are an attempt to replicate in the digital world the dynamic of originality that exists in the physical world. If I asked an art expert why Picasso's Guernica is important I'm sure they would talk about the portrayal of war and the methods used by Picasso. If I asked if a print of the famous painting was able to convey this just as well, I'm sure they would say yes. If I then asked why the painting is priceless but the print cheap, suddenly the explanation would change! It's the first one! It was touched by Picasso himself! \n\nSo? \n\nNFTs are trying to replicate that from the top down. \n\nPeople saying \"hurr during you can copy a digital image\" have to explain why a print of the Mona Lisa isn't worth a hundred bucks while the original is priceless.", "Where is this?", "I'm going to be that guy, I disliked this because of the fact people focus on \"NFTS are a scam\"\nI think its fair to say SOME NFTs are a scam, or bad investment either way not a good project in the slightest.\n\nHowever there are plenty of NFT projects that are doing it right. Using Utility and combining that with say Play to Earn gaming or artists using it as a method for people to support them without crazy valuations.\n\nit saddens me that ETH NFTs get the limelight as NFT projects literally saved me from poverty during a pandemic and not in an egregious way just helped me live.\nThere are also many blockchains where NFTs are different but all you hear about is dodgy scammy ETH NFTS. \n\nIn the context of negative press NFTS (ETH, useless non-utility, selling a \"club\") I think this interview is fine but it doesn't touch on the wider implications and technology of NFTs which is a huge thing in its infancy - More artists than ever are looking at NFT tech as a way to spread their content and I think with modern copywrite laws and the way many services such as Itunes spotfiy and more take advantage of artists, in NFTS they can be the one gaining the majority of the money from sales while marketplaces that serve NFTS take a small fee.\n\nStreaming sites generally on average take the majority cut which is no good for artists.\n\nI hope with time people come to realize like with anything there are good projects and bad ones but NFT technology isn't inherently evil or a scam.\n\nThank you for reading if you got this far!", "This is not a defense of NFTs by any means, but the entire modern art world is just as much of a sham. It's filled with hierarchical power brokers, often arbitrarily assigning value to pieces... each desperately attempting to appear naturally authoritative, lest anyone question the absurdity of how one firmly determines that 'this emotional outpouring of a painting is worth $500, while this other adornment is worth $500,000' . And, of course, most consumers keep pace by allowing price and fame to dictate their own impressions and opinions. Frankly, we get what we deserve. Taste and style have long been afterthought in the art world, when stacked against financial value. NFTs are a natural extension of this twisted trend. They just don't have the same historic foundation that covers modern art's tracks.", "~~It’s important to note that, as much as I hate to say it, Ape Yachts or whatever is legit. They’ve actually gone out of their way to make it known that when you buy this NFT, you do own that intellectual property. How that’s different than just buy the rights to an image, I have no clue.~~\n\nnvm", "That's... completely false. Here's someone who's done the calculations on energy use of an email:\n\nhttps://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-is-spent-sending-an-email\n\nA 500kb email is about 3.7 microwatts, or .0000037 watts.\n\nHere is the analysis of how much energy Proof of Stake chains use by University College London\n\nhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/proof-stake-ethereum-2-0-153221744.html\n\nPicking a random one, Tezos, at its current usage rate is .00036 kw/tx MINIMUM, or 3.6 watts. That is 1,200,000x higher energy usage than sending an email. And at its highest estimated usage rate it is literally over a hundred million times more energy usage. \n\nAnd the higher the load, the more energy it uses. \n\nAND you're ignoring the fact that minting an NFT takes TEN TIMES more energy than any other action on the blockchain. Even after moving to PoS, that will not change.", "NFTs have dates, no? I could make a print of the Mona Lisa. That doesn't diminish the original's value nor convey value to my print.", "It's not necessarily the art, could be used as a ticket or access to an event or group.", "Yes, it requires the government to reissue one like a new deed. It seems the current government process is mostly still involved in all steps anyways even with NFTs.", "You're wrong. People care enough to pay millions of dollars.\n\nThere are tons of really shitty paintings worth millions of dollars. [This one](https://media.luxhabitat.ae/journal/d67a824cbcf7de5f0ba7b23c38a95f74_mod_original.jpg) sold for $186 million. 'No 6 - Violet Green and Red' by Mark Rothko", "NFTs are not useless, they are essentially just a way to allow artists to IPO their brand into a stock market so the artist can make money.\n\nPeople don’t buy and sell NFT based on value, just like the real stock market trading is based off of speculative value and not actual value/revenue. \n\nSome people buy NFT to support their favorite artist, and others buy NFT because they expect that someone else will buy it.\n\nThere is an inflation that happens in these digital markets where demand is strong enough to make some traders money, and these traders turn around and buy more product hoping for even more returns, because of this the demand keeps flowing through the market because the money rarely leaves, this causes prices to gradually go up overtime whether the product is worth its value or not, doesn’t really matter.", "This is basically the merry-go-round over and over. Just about every legitimate application for blockchain/NFT essentially boils down to a system where you could use them to do some of the back-end work, but at essentially no functional advantage in practice.", "I want to buy some physical good online, so have to trust that the person will actually give me the item that they promise to send. \n\nIf they don't send it, or send some fake, then I can get my money back in today's centralized payment methods (Paypal, credit card, debit card, etc.). \n\nIn decentralized transactions, there is no money back, only other thing I can think of is escrow, and then you have to trust that the escrow will not run away as well.", "You are missing the “blockchain” part in your understanding if you think there is a forever growing tree that just be stored and re-encrypted at every pass. You could argue that it is prohibitively expensive to sustain a blockchain network, but not because of the size of the ledger.", "Now find someone who snuck into their online forum.", "You own a json record.", "It's the exact same as a deed to a house and blockchain soon takeover real estate also.\n\nMost commenters here have no idea what they are taking about.", "Yes that's exactly my point. I think the animosity for its current form is, well, pretty reasonable lol. \n\nBut people dont read and pay attention, so i was downvoted for not jumping on the hate train.", "If i go to a card store and buy a mickey mantle card for $40, that's the value of the card I bought. That value can change but the card itself is what holds the $40 value. Not a link to an image of the card.", "Yeah. In the end the entire blockchain craze is built on something with at most fringe use cases. Whenever I hear blockchain people make grand statements about what it could all be used for, they are usually either inventing a problem for blockchain to solve that doesn't exist or that already has a much simpler solution. Everything else is just people speculating with pyramid schemes.", "There are carbon neutral (in fact more than neutral) chains that support NFTS using green energy and funding more renewable sources. \nThere are also many NFT projects that are not a scam, they have utility built in and no amount of right click saving will get you that utility. \n\nPlay To Earn gaming has been a huge thing in the past year and NFTs can directly support that.\n\nThere are of course chains (ETH) using enormous amount of energy.", "Or someone who isn't caught up in the hype just thinks it is stupid. I could easily argue, up to this point, it certainly hasn't helped the environment. My buddy sent me a picture of a digital banana he says is going to make him money. I made a comment about the baseball cards he collected that are worthless. He has been angry at me ever since.", "At current price it would cost upwards of 500$ to store a jpeg on Ethereum. Considering most NFTs never get sold it does not make economic sense to store the data on-chain. For these reasons, most NFTs are hosted on non-persistent p2p data sharing networks like IPFS. Some projects however do store the data on-chain by using SVGs or small bitmaps.", "Exactly - you don't own it, as your rights to the game are filtered through a centralized company. Put it in a decentralized blockchain and it can't be withheld at their discretion.\n\nThere are many, many cases of people having a dispute i.e. with Sony, usually over a chargeback; and then suddenly their access to every single digital game they've ever purchased is revoked. Suddenly they realize they never actually owned those games. What did they pay for?\n\nIf you don't see the value in a system that avoids this problem and gives you actual digital ownership of your digital game, go speak to someone who paid thousands of dollars for games they will never be able to access again over a $20 financial dispute. They sure will.", "The majority of NFTs happen on proof-of-work blockchains which have your computer solve difficult math problems in order to make changes to the blockchain.\n\nWhen we say \"solving difficult math problems,\" we aren't referring to the kind you'd encounter in a math class. You are instead having your computer make an inordinate amount of random guesses until it finds one that, when put through cryptographic algorithm, generates a result—a 64-digit hexadecimal number called a \"hash\"—that is equal to or lower than a target value representing the difficulty. The difficulty is set against the total computing power on the network, so it essentially becomes an arms race on who can waste the most energy guessing random numbers. We're talking about multiple times the total energy consumption of the entire planet for everything if the network were to process as many transactions as Visa currently does. \n\nThe problems don't particularly \"need\" to be solved, the difficulty in solving them just makes the network secure and prevents fraudulent or malicious transactions from being committed to the network by making it extremely expensive to reliably do so.", "You can depending on the timeshare.", "That's completely wrong. It literally all depends on the NFT you're minting. Some do not give you copyright but others do; it's up to the creator.", "Well, that basically is the problem. Their whole selling point at the moment is that its \"decentralized\". It's basically worthless unless some authority supports what it stands for. The technology itself isn't useless but I think what most people are spending money on right now is definitely useless.", "Well, watch the video. The owner of the NFT doesn’t own the artwork at all. They only own an NFT (literally a digital token created by blockchain technology) “officially” associated (according to the seller of the NFT, who is usually but not necessarily the artwork owner) with the artwork. \n\nThis scam would be sort of like if Elon Musk sold you a unique piece of paper with his signature and told you “now you own Tesla stock” but you don’t, you own zero Tesla stock and one unique paper saying (lying) that you do.", "I'll settle for my 1ft^2 of Hawaii 2", "Okay i see interesting opinion thank you only thing I’ll say is 10 years is nothing.", "> But if the NFTs were event tickets that the organiser would use to determine who had a legitimate ticket then there is an actionable right worth paying for that can’t be duplicated by just copying the details\n\nBut in that case, there is no need for a decentralized Blockchain. It would be more cost-effective for the seller to have the entire ticket system on a server with similar cryptological verification of ownership.\n\nWhich (come to think of it) is also a core weakness of NFT's.\n\nWhere and how is the piece of actual art actually stored? Unless that is also put into the Blockchain and duplicated across multiple servers on the internet (which would quickly clog up everything), you either rely on the seller/creator to keep the actual digital art piece for you (which means you only owns it for as long as they keep funding the storage of it) or you need to store it yourself.", "If the artist wanted to transfer ownership of their art, they would sell the artwork normally. But by selling an NFT of the artwork, they’re profiting more off the artwork because they can sell you a unique corresponding token associated with it but w/o losing the ownership of the artwork themselves.", "This. It is amazing how few people understand this crucial aspect of NFTs.", "A lot of times you can just disable javascript and then right click on the image.", "A link to a link to a jpg", "What is MERS? I am only familiar with the illness", "That’s not their fault though. If the blockchain wants to have any real world utility it has to be distilled down to something that’s comprehensible. It’s not fair to say “people just don’t understand it” when there hasn’t been much attempts to make it palatable, nor has there been a utility created that would draw people to it in the first place. \n\nIt’s totally understandable.", "Ooh didn't know that, pretty cool.", "The block chain adds being able to transfer ownership.\n\nWith just a digital signature there's no way to transfer ownership, since a person who at one point knows the signature will always know the signature.", "> Christmas lights in the US account for 6.6 TWh of energy consumption per year\n\nNot to argue, but since the data is from 2011 at the latest, I wonder how much that has changed in the decade since then, with the continuing adoption of LEDs replacing incandescent christmas lights.\n\n> 369 kWh per transaction\n\nFor reference, that's ~~916~~ [edit: JFC it's 248,267] times the energy it takes to perform a Visa transaction. ([148kWh gets you 100,000 Visa transactions](https://www.statista.com/statistics/881541/bitcoin-energy-consumption-transaction-comparison-visa/))", "Everyone who is seriously buying NFTs knows this. People are not buying ownership of the artwork but that of the token. People think buyers are getting scammed but they aren't, they know very well what they are buying.", "Beanie babies and gold both use the same system of physical matter and both have limited supply. I’m still putting all my cash into beanie babies. Gonna buy the hell out of this dip.", "> soon\n\n\"Soon\" has been coming since 2019, I think we're fine criticizing them until they actually do it.", "But we already have legislation in place to accomplish those things and it's much more ingrained into the justice system. Theres no reason for the justice system to adopt this when it achieves nothing new and just introduces more overhead.", "Without the nft you already have automatic copyright to your work and the force of law to enforce it via takedown notices and civil suits.", "I'd like to correct you to say that that is what NFTs are in their current state unfortunately. Many have turned out to be a scam because crypto is rife with scammers.\n\nNFTs are supposed to be a truly unique piece. Sadly the scammers are giving this interesting technology a bad rep as this all matures and reaches mainstream medias.\n\n[This](https://youtu.be/Oz9zw7-_vhM) is a brilliant video that helped me understand all this a bit more.\n\nEdit: I know I posted this twice but I just really want to reinforce this point yknow", "Currency is scalable. Blockchain is not.", "I'd like to correct you to say that that is what NFTs are in their current state unfortunately. Many have turned out to be a scam because crypto is rife with scammers.\n\nNFTs are supposed to be a truly unique piece. Sadly the scammers are giving this interesting technology a bad rep as this all matures and reaches mainstream medias.\n\n[This](https://youtu.be/Oz9zw7-_vhM) is a brilliant video that helped me understand all this a bit more.", "But isn't the nft part just the link to the image. Why couldn't the artist make 10 different links to the exact same image.", "I mean, there's a couple ways to do it.", "most good nfts are just digital tickets to a real world good.\n\nbut yeah just a new age receipt lol.", "Yea but you trade that for no one enforcing anything either. If you pay for goods using crypto and you don't get them, well, basically fuck you no one cares and you can't even track who it went to now. So there are definitely trade offs.", "Can’t believe it took me this long to scroll through the thread and find an ape. To the moon :)", "The difference is that paper contracts _aren't immutable_. They're just a one piece of the puzzle which a court will take into account and invariably make a ruling on in the event of a dispute.", "My wife and I did it as a Christmas present a few years back. I now have Lord <My Name> on my credit card, which is worth it for the giggles\n\n\nThe good thing is that the one we used uses the money for land conservation.", "Well, you might say that's because... <puts on gloves with finger holes cut out> ...I might be a hacker", "Man, can we just get a not awful executive branch leader? \n\nFirst 50 shades of Governor and now his successor is blazing his own trail of ineptitude.", "What a lot of you misunderstand about NFTs is it’s not just the image, sure a lot of them are only a certificate that that image is yours. But for most of the vibrant NFT communities that image is your “ticket” in the community of the club. That cannot be replicated by copy and paste. Being in the club is where the value is. It’s like a wristband you need to get into the VIP area of a club. You can sell that wristband to others and they get into the club and now you cannot.", "A contract can’t anticipate every possible scenario or outcome. Inevitably, you’re going to require interpretation and judgement", "What's the difference between a NFT and a CSGO gun skin besides the blockchain?", "They're not trying to convince the Scottish government you're a Lord, they're trying to convince you.", "kinda lost in this convo, but im starting to get a hint. \n\na baseball card signed by Micky Mantle can be seen physically and when being sold can be authenticated.\n\nAn NFT on the blockchain is signed by the artist and authenticated - verifiable by everyone.\nalso- can this artists digital signature be duplicated?\nAn artwork being hosted on a server is not an NFT but rather the NFT is the link to the artwork - this is a scam?", "Stay small minded and miss opportunities right before you.", "Yup that's exactly it", ">The server file could be wiped at any moment at someone else's whim.\n\nThen its a good thing that people are making torrents of the front end files!", "You are mistaken. Most blockchains do not store anything directly on the blockchain because that would mean having everyone on the network also host that data. The only thing stored on the blockchain is the token which usually just contains a link to a traditional URL or a similar system called IPFS that at least incorporates redundancies. \n\nEventually, however, that link will break or there won't be anyone left hosting it on IPFS. The already abstract notion of ownership represented by the token becomes even more tenuously abstract when it doesn't even reference anything at that point.", "the simplest explanation is you own the asset.\n\nfor most \"art\" nfts like those ugly monkey things, part of the asset contains a hyperlink to an image.\n\nand each asset contains a unique link. so it's often corelated that owning an nft = owning the ugly monkey picture, which while not strictly true is widely accepted by other NFTers.\n\nfrankly, there's a lot better uses for the NFT technology than using it to promote shitty art.", ">99% of terms and rules can be solved by 1+1=2.\n\nHow can a smart contract resolve someone losing their wallet key?", "> Their backend system checks if that copy of the game is already downloaded on another platform\n\nWhy use the blockchain if you're already trusting their backend?", "Came here just to find out what NFT’s are….", "You don’t need to own that much ETH. Just as much hash as needed to do a 51% attack. BTC is much more secure than pos since it uses pow but it comes at the cost of high energy usage. A bunch of BTC miners could pool together to attack ETH if they were so inclined for example. Or a state actor like China.", "Sure, if you like the look of it you can simply copy it and make it your avatar. But making it your avatar doesn't mean it's yours - as you can't actually sell/get paid for it. As for why you'd want to pay money for something like this in the first place, with regards to PFP projects, you're either A.) Buying it because you're speculating and think you can sell it for more (what most people do) or B.) Actually like the art/project and think some other form of utility will come from being the owner. For example, if you copied the Bored Ape JPEG, it's still not in your wallet. When the Bored Ape Kennel Club derivative was dropped, you wouldn't get one just because you have the JPEG, and those were selling for a ton on the secondary market.", "Who owns the Ethereum network/IPFS vs. Who owns Steam servers?\n\nfor some people it's unimportant, for others it's not.", "Well you’re kind of comparing two different things here. There is no tangible value attached to a trading card other than the card stock and ink it took to make it. A Camera at least at some point was tangible and usable. Trading cards aren’t any more or less valuable than digital art or in your example Top Shot. There are billions of screens on this planet that can all display a digital image, I don’t know why you think displaying an NFT can’t be done in any other way than staring at your phone.\n\nAt the end of the day, if i really wanted to search for a Tops Michael Jordan rookie card I could find the image, print it front and back on card stock and have my own version of the card. It wouldn’t be authentic of course but thats the point im making.", "You're correct but you'd also need to have that card verified by a third party. Collectible coins and such are even more valuable with history of ownership (usually no more than a handwritten piece of paper, which would have to be third party verified for sale value as well). With an NFT, this is all baked in, viewable and confirmable by anyone.", "This does not break the concept of Bitcoin.\n\nFiat cash has the same problems.", "Its kind of a way to show off, but it has more to do with the market. These types if digital markets always go up in price over time. Money rarely leaves the market because the investors that win money reinvest that money into the market, so every time you have a transaction on the market the price goes up for at least two products. Because the market trend usually goes upward other investors will buy stock expecting it to continue trending upwards. As people forget about their items or stop trading, the demand easily surpasses the supply causing a sort of inflation.\n\nFailures on this type of digital market usually revolves around too much supply being bought beanie babies style, where everyone is speculating that something will be expensive in the future (but only on items that don’t limit the number of copies that can be sold instead opting for a limited time purchase window, instead of first come first serve), however even with this type of failure, an item usually maintains its initial value over time. \n\nIn NFTs it can be a little more risky. If you buy an artist that keeps printing more and more NFTs, their collection as a whole can lose value since there is always enough supply to meet demand. Or if you buy from an lesser/unknown artist that stops producing work, your NFT can lose value simply because no one else knows about it.\n\nHowever one this is certain in these digital markets, the earliest works sold on the market are always more expensive overtime, there were less investors speculating on items back then so the price is always more reasonable that what they end up selling for 5-10years later. A lot of digital goods end up making a reputation for theirself as being a valuable product gaining the attention of investors which inflates the price even further.", "Nah. You're a Pokèmon trainer.", "I own Pokémon cards on the online client and i got them from a code that came in a pack. What makes the blockchain so special that we need to migrate to it when we can already do what NFTs do without it?", "Musicians and artists are now able to obtain royalties from their work without labels. I'd say that's pretty big.", "I'll try my best:\n\nCopying a JPEG doesn't actually make it yours. The person who actually owns it will be able to sell it/reap other benefits like airdrops for actually owning it, whereas you'll just have a picture of something that has no value.", "Depending on where you buy it from, some places are basically tourist attractions/preserved sites and the money goes towards preserving the castle and the grounds. It’s like buying a brick with you name on it when donating to a hospital", "IIRC BAYC's terms on their website dictate it's a non exclusive license to the image.", "Yes but if the artist who painted the art signed your random number and put their weight behind it suddenly that random number isn't so random anymore.", "Have you heard of NFTs?", "So during time of the auction how do you know that the date on your receipt is the earliest one?", "...and the really shit thing is that absent any external means of validating entries, it's not even a good certificate of authenticity. I mean, as it is there's nothing stopping people from stealing art that hasn't been minted previously and minting their own token to sell.", "So how do you know that NFT you just bought is actually the earliest one?", "Truths", "If someone just made an nft of some work that they don't own before the legitimate owners did it, how would anyone really know who is in the right?", "This is the perfect analogy. Fuck yes", "Decentralization. If you're willing to trust a 3rd party then that it's probably better to do that, but if you're trying to work with something illegal or generally considered morally questionable then the decentralization may be valuable since no centralized organization wants to touch your stuff.\n\nAlso companies tend to like to create walled gardens, so if you want the option to move assets between companies and you go with some centralized scheme you're likely out of luck as far as transfering things.", "Or a hobo", "Nintendo makes both, with an NFT you can buy a \"right handed weapon\" that acts as a hockey stick in NHL world and a Lazer Blaster in Rick and Morty world. Your items/monsters/properties move with you from virtual world to virtual world.\n\nThey exist OUTSIDE of the game or virtual space. You could trade your pokemon for a Fortnite dance if the two counterparties so chose.\n\nYou could level up your Lazer Blaster in one world and use the upgrade in another. You could have stories that bridge genres... Idk what the hate is for it, once you conceptualize NFTs and blockchain in general as \"globally agreed upon world-state\", the boundaries are endless.\n\nEdit: Of course, publishers will have to integrate ETH network into their games to accomplish this but essentially imagine a global auction house of digital items...and every ingame inventory existed on the Blockchain. The game simply interprets the Blockchain \"truth\" and represents it as an item in the game. The game then becomes a \"skin\" over your \"things\". \n\nFirst to pull off a low-gas and highly-visible marketplace wins. LRC just release counterfactual NFTs/wallets on a Layer2 tech that promises Eth security from an off-chain implementation using zkRollups....a buncha tech jargon to say, \"You can make NFTs willy-nilly now without the costs and they'll be honored by Layer2 technologies/networks.\"\n\nSo literally exactly what you'd need to represent every item drop in WoW as an NFT without pricing the game out of existence. The fuck do I know though, right? :D", "[He says this in the video...did you watch it at all?](https://youtu.be/i_VsgT5gfMc?t=240)", "Owner could technically sign the transfer (containing recepients certificate info) with same signature as image is signed, and then give the new owner this signed transfer information. Essentially this will almost be image's own tiny blockchain. \n\nThis would allow the new owner to dispute ownership of the image. It wouldn't however prohibit the original owner from claiming old ownership (by presenting partial \"signature chain\"). \n\nI still believe this could be used in a ton of usecases instead of actual blockchain.", "Well if you're talking exclusively about trading the coins as a currency, that is probably the most \"ideal\" use-case because it doesn't inherently rely on some outside authority. You can send your coins to an address and everyone can agree on it, very cool.\n\nBut even this most pure use of a blockchain isn't free from outside influence. There's the crypto-fiat bridge to consider, the fact that development is usually semi-centralised creating the risk of forks, the possibility of 51% attacks, and most important of all, the fact that the other part of the transaction (ie. goods and services) can potentially be disputed in a court of law, trustless be damned.\n\nNow I don't think the idea of a cryptocurrency is inherently bad or anything, I find the technology interesting and even own some myself, but the fact of matter is that the most perfect algorithm still has to face the chaotic human element. Piling stuff onto the concept just adds more questions like the ones you asked a few comments up. Well, unless someone designs a distributed blockchain government AI with killer robots to enforce its decisions...", "The stupidity of Reddit just keeps providing.", "> also- can this artists digital signature be duplicated?\n\nThe artist's signature cannot be replicated, it uses cryptography. It's a similar kind of deal as the reddit servers use to digitally sign the pages that they send to your computer, so that your web browser can trust that they are from reddit.com and not some random bullshit from some hotel wifi attacker.\n\n> An artwork being hosted on a server is not an NFT but rather the NFT is the link to the artwork - this is a scam?\n\nIt's only a scam if the seller is trying to misrepresent that fact, otherwise it's just a bad purchase that the purchaser didn't do enough research on (if they were expecting their NFT to be more than just an HTTP link).\n\nMany NFTs nowadays use hash-based addressing to refer to assets on file storage networks like IPFS, so they can't change (rug-pull) your image because then the hash would be different and the network would reject the change. Personally I would never consider buying an NFT if it linked to a URL on some web server, only if it linked to a content hash.", "You're trippin if you think governments aren't going to figure out ways to charge people for using their own money just because its crypto. Not to mention none of these coins would ever be accepted as an official, government backed currency. Governments will create their own crypto versions of whatever their currency is, and all they have to do is require people and employers to pay their taxes in that specific coin. Another problem is you can't even use crypto as viable currency as it is because they are not stable at all and most people are only holding it because they think they can trade it for what they see as \"real\" money.", "Except with NFT \"art\" we are all downloading the same product from the same page. \n\nIt's like having a machine in the town square that prints infinite numbers of Mickie Mantle cards on demand, and everyone can use it. Except, everyone in the village agrees that whenever the \"owner\" presses the button that card is the \"real\" one.\n\nThe \"owner\" doesn't get any unique access to the goods over anyone else, no ability to control access to it, and essentially is the \"owner\" in the most abstract possible sense there's no surprise it's so hard to convince the layman that there's any functional advantage to this.", "This is why these “gotcha” NFT naysayers make me cringe. Clearly do not understand …", ">\tSmart Contract that will automatically execute its rules. Thus preventing corruption by controlling things at the core mathematical level\n\nUnless, of course, people decide they don’t like the result of a smart contract execution and cartel to reverse the transactions. As happened after the Ethereum DAO hack.", "These posts are created by people who don’t understand NFT utility.", "You're describing a pyramid scheme. That's literally what a lot of pyramid schemes do, where they'll throw big parties and pay celebrities to be there, advertising it as networking opportunity. There's no reason why you need the blockchain to do any of that, they're just trying to add gimmicks on top of fundamentally worthless assets.", "Didn't downvote on this, it's pretty funny actually. But here's my take on this as someone who has collected NFTs. They maybe for losers but they're not going away. Is collecting Pokémon cards for losers? Maybe. But I have a few friends who do and it makes them happy so I don't judge. Anyway, NFTs as an idea (as in non-fungible tokens) will outgrow this whole million dollar jpeg sensation before people realize it.", "I can imagine a future where title insurance is no longer needed, because every change to the house's title has been permanently recorded to a public append-only database (a blockchain), and the buyer, seller, and mortgage lender can all see and verify that history.", "> NFTs are an attempt to replicate in the digital world the dynamic of originality\n\n...and many mock the notion of artificially enforced digital scarcity.\n\nAt the risk of repeating myself elsewhere in this thread:\n\n\nWith NFT \"art\" we are all downloading the same product from the same page.\n\nIt's like having a machine in the town square that prints infinite numbers of Mickie Mantle cards on demand, and everyone can use it. Except, everyone in the village agrees that whenever the \"owner\" presses the button that card is the \"real\" one. \n\nThat's okay though, because he'll be happy to sell you the right to say that when you press the button it's the real card.\n\n\nThe \"owner\" doesn't get any unique access to the goods over anyone else, no ability to control access to it, and essentially is the \"owner\" in the most abstract possible sense there's no surprise it's so hard to convince the layman that there's any functional advantage to this.", "The art is actually stored on (yet another) decentralized file system): IPFS - https://ipfs.io/ The NFT (usually) contains a unique link to the file contents stored on the IPFS.", "Of course you can download any NFT you want. You can go and photograph the Mona Lisa any time you want. You can buy a poster of the Girl with a Pearl Earring anytime you want. Are you arguing people place zero value on owning the original?", "Okay, and what if the original artist didn't mint an NFT before the scammer?\n\nBecause that is a very real problem pushing artists to [stop hosting their images online](https://twitter.com/LiamRSharp/status/1471940531554959360?s=20) because of the onerous requirements to try to get NFT hosts to remove each violating image, only to have yet more art immediately get scraped up by NFT bots\n\nMeanwhile, outfits like OpenSea can drag their feet, even let some transactions go through during the dispute, then pocket all the fees when they finally take it down.\n\n\nAnyways, the short version is that blind trust in \"who posted first\" already isn't effective.", "Yeah, I remember the last time my bank decided to just up and take all my money. That's definitely a serious, totally plausible thing that happens on the regular.", "Gotta hack em all", "Proof of work uses far more electricity than proof of stake but is also far more secure. Either way, cryptocurrency uses much more electricity per transaction than conventional banking, even considering building maintenance. Blockchains are just an inefficient implementation of a computer cryptography concept from the 70s known as a Merkle tree. In their current state, blockchains are among the worst ideas ever conceived by humanity. When you meet someone promoting crypto you can rest assured they are either a thief, an idiot, or both.", "That solution doesn't work because there's no way to prevent double-spends.\n\nSomeone who owned the item before could go to two different people and sign two different two different receipts \"selling\" it to them and each of them would be none the wiser.\n\nYou would need some trusted third party maintaining a reference to what the head of the blockchain is, and at that point the blockchain wouldn't serve any purpose unless you value the transparency, where most people would probably prefer privacy.", "What makes physical art worthful and digital art worthless?", "I remember right-clicking and hitting enter in quick succession would still bring up the context menu to save the image. Weird bug.", "I can make an NFT of the Mona Lisa right now, but it would be worthless. The value is in artists releasing original NFTs that are verifiable through the blockchain.", "Definitely not OJ tho", "Not just Christmas lights. That's not apples to apples. If you wanted a more accurate representation, we'd have to somehow calculate how much money it takes to run \"the dollar\" - so some percentage of the electricity used by the US Treasury, Federal Reserve Banking System, FDIC, things like that - then we're comparing network cost to network cost", "Mantequilla!", "Yes but the innovation was pairing this with a P2P validation network that is very very hard to censor or manipulate (in terms of data authenticity, market manipulation is rampant in crypto).", "Maybe I was just a kid, but I can't recall developer tools being that accessible on browsers 20 years ago", "But that's not a good question. Having originally or authenticity in digital form doesn't matter.\n\nLook at tiktok or any social media . It's all based on coping someone else,", "Groupon, buy an acre on Mars!", "Yeah. Ownership means nothing without enforcement. If nfts were tired to royalties and copyright you would arguably own something. As they exist now, they mean nothing.", "You know what? Screw it. Funges your token", "...and why would we want that? Who benefits from NFT concert tickets?", "On the surface, NFT collectables for rare game items seems like it makes sense until you think about it more deeply. Sure the blockhain provides a decentralized proof of ownership, but the utility of the NFT that the game provides is all still centralized. If that game decides to no longer recognize an NFT as a valid item it supports, or if the game shuts down, your NFT is now the equivalent of a \"rare\" monkey JPG. \n\n\nAt this point, what's the purpose of blockhain if the entire value of ownership comes from a single authority? I currently work for an NFT based gaming startup and initially thought NFTs for games was an actual applicable use case until I put a lot of thought into it. I highly doubt there will be platforms that provide utility or uses for NFTs made for some other game or company's ecosystem.", "Pirate an NFT lol", "Also anyone can read the map, you just own the box it's stored in", "Except with digital media it is a 100% accurate replica. A picture of the Mona Lisa is just that, a photo of the Mona Lisa, but a copy of a digital file is the same as the original digital file.", "15 years ago, yes. 20 years ago you'd probably have to open the source and grab the image from there.", "Yeah but if you later want to sell it, wouldn't it be convenient if there was a public system in place with all the cryptographic tooling baked in to securely exchange that receipt and receive payment?", "The NFT is the asset itself, not the work. Its value will depend on the context in which it is produced, as this influences how much others are willing to pay for it.\n\nI see little difference between the mechanism through which an NFT and a baseball signed by a famous player get their value. \n\nAs for replicating work that is linked to the NFT by the author: You can buy a new baseball and copy the signature, but that is not likely to excite other people about buying it from you for a high price (unless you market it right).\n\nI am not interested in paying money for either, but I can understand how they can hold value in the markets.", "That's exactly what it is. There are companies like [Everledger](https://everledger.io/) using/trialing this for real world assets and proof of authenticity.", "So it's nothing but a desperate desire to introduce completely and utterly artificial scarcity to digital content, for money.", "You’d be welcome to learn life lessons in your MLM without much comment but your foolishness is also harming the environment. You’re gullible AND a drain on society.", "Yup, I never said it was exclusive? Most nfts don't even do any license is the point.", "> NFTs solve that verification problem for (almost) free.\n\nI really dispute the notion that NFTs inherently solve any problem of authenticity, considering there's already a massive art theft problem in NFT markets.\n\nAll of this authenticity checking requires 3rd parties prior to minting to confirm ownership and that's not happening as it is.\n\n\nRegarding the whole \"copying the Mona Lisa\" argument...\n\nThe comparison to printing out a copy of fine art ignores that in this example, the only version of the Mona Lisa is a copy.\n\nWhen you look at the art, you're downloading a copy and viewing it. When I view the art I am downloading an identical copy and viewing it. The only functional difference is that some people are agreeing to say \"well when you press the button to generate another copy of this image, THIS is the real one\"", "Ken Griffin? Savy? Isn’t he the guy who is about to lose his entire fortune to a bunch Apes?", "Yer a wizard, Harry", "Have you ever used a scanner? Perfect reproduction if you ask me.", "The fact that it's nothing but trying to add artificial scarcity to a medium that has never had it, solely because they want to milk it fucking dry for money.", "And my axe!", "I legit listened to a dude at work one day talk about how he could have made so much money because he bought some penny crypto that boomed to over $1000 one day, but within like an hour dropped back to pennies.", "I would not trust this guy, his fingernails are too dirty.\nhttps://imgur.com/a/MgTp2Rd", "That's after literally decades of optimization. Things are so efficient when first developed.", "Sorry, I misread your comment as meaning BAYC includes broader copyright powers than \"being able to use it\"", "Click inspect button, click image, right click image in elements viewer and save as.\n\nMore than a couple!", "Bitcoin is built in a way such that it would be extremely difficult and immensely costly to break that consensus on scarcity. All those critics are already addressed by Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies though none that exist currently are as safe and reliable as Bitcoin)", "Thanks playboy", "We all are. I don’t even know what I’m typing right now.", "Yo. This you?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8G8qA9ibI", "Laughs in \"Don't Fuck with Paste\" add-on.", "Who pays for that?", "How do you transfer ownership with that model though", "Secret network is starting to come out with private nfts which feels like a proof of concept for private contracts", "That might have value. But problems:\n- Artist can create as many “unique” tokens with their signature as they’d like. So you aren’t unique anymore either.\n- People who aren’t the artist can make these unique tokens for that artwork too and sell them.\n- The value of the token (literally a hyperlink to the digital artwork) is pretty minor. If you don’t own the artwork, nor the likeness of the art, nor hyperlinks to the art, what’s that worth?\n- The artist can remove the artwork whenever they’d like, so then you’d have a hyperlink to nothing.", "But if the NFT is the asset itself, what stops companies and celebrities to \"re-sign\" content from their perspective? So you are saying the value of the NFT is more akin to the original emitter than the content it carries. Robert De Niro can NFT all of his movies, and Al Pacino as well. So now you have two NFT that relate to the Godfather, one from De Niro and one from Al Pacino. Noth are likely to hold some value.\n\n\nAt the end of the day NFTs are looking like they are luxury digital autographs.", "I can see this opinion is being shunned in this thread but yes. I dont view that as a bad things that sounds like value creation. \n\nYou may as well say that museums that auction off famous artworks are biased against all the other perfect replicas of those. Or the same for historical artifacts etc. \n\nThere are many well known cases (for a recent example in a tv show watch the murder among mornings or just read the premise). In it someone 'discovers' some historical documents that are worth in the millions and are actually sold. Only for it to come out that its a forgery and the value went to 0. Why did it matter? Museums and art experts all vetted it, the only reason it came out is because he sold other stuff that was fake and it caught up. \n\nIt was physically indistinguishable from an original, but we just \"make up\" some rule that says only the true original (or what's widely accepted as such) is worth anything. Now I don't disagree with this rule, quite the opposite. The rule is elegant. The real item is the one that you can trace back to the original author. However this is \"made up\" in the same way scarcity on NFTs is. It's just true by convention, not by a physical property of the good. \n\nI could get a fake Picasso for hundreds of dollars and \"enjoy\" it sitting on my wall just as much as the real thing, but it obv wouldn't give the social cache or personal satisfaction as the real thing, and its the same with NFTs.. It's just with NFTs there's an even more direct and fool proof way to measure authenticity", "On the internet there can only be a single copy of any image that exists, clearly. No one is capable of just... uploading a dozen copies of the same image and selling all of those separately as NFTs.\n\nI follow a lot of artists on Twitter and I've started to see a flood of them posting screenshots from DeviantArt's automatic NFT watcher, showing that their art's been stolen by NFT chuds. It's fucking constant.", "Only an idiot would do that and ruin their reputation online. Yes it’s possible but it doesn’t happen outside of people actively scamming people. Legit artists would never do that.", ">Does originality/authenticity actually matter in a purely digital medium?\n\nYes it does in some cases, maybe not in digital art, but I hear we could use NFTs for digital Identity which if implemented correctly could make identity theft really hard.\n\nor selling concert tickets digitally as NFTS, so people know they are buying the real thing, instead of getting scammed.\n\nI bet there's a lot use cases out there for digital authenticity.", "Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!", "Shit, the NSA hacked the webcam I installed in my ceiling! Deleting everything! <shovels floppy disks into a microwave>", "You own the thing you can sell, which lets be honest is usually what people want to buy. Plus if an artwork or artifact is created for an NFT, it's history is forever tied to that NFT so if people care about the artwork they will care about the NFT.", "Can you post links to some link of these \"good examples\". What makes them better?", "The value comes from people assigning it value. Period. Famous art is worth money because humans have decided so. Certain NFT's are worth money because people have decided so. It doesn't matter that its a 1/1 physical art piece. There are many fantastic artists who's artwork doesn't sell for anything because people do not value their work. People can say I right-click saved your NFT all they want, go try and sell it. The blockchain proves you don't actually own it, which is what people are paying the money for. It's nothing more than a way to flex digitally.", "Well, sometimes the smart places will put a transparent div or something over the image. The clever ones will put a transparent 1px x 1px image over the top.", "Imagine showing up to the louvre and saying that the Mona Lisa is yours now because someone sold you the location where to find it.", "Vote me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.", "it's \"buy and name a star\" mixed with the tech bro meme thing where you just say buzzwords like blockchain and pretend you're solving problems with revolutionary ideas", "My understanding is that the NFT does not convey ownership, just recognition that you are the only person recognized as having the right to claim recognition.", "Yes I think the currency part was a misnomer, though it made sense then to call it that.", "I don’t think you understand what an NFT is. It’s just a token pointing to something. It can point to the same image. \n\nNothing stops an artist from selling multiple NFTs of the same image. Example: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/can-an-nft-artist-sell-virtually-the-same-work-more-than-once/ar-AALgG3T\n\nAmc just gave out 108 “unique” pieces of art to 86,000 people through NFTs: https://www.amctheatres.com/giveaway/spider-man-nft\n\n> NFT stands for a “non-fungible token” which is a unique and non-interchangeable unit of data stored on a digital ledger. NFTs use blockchain technology to give the NFT a public proof of ownership. 86,000 qualified members* will get one of 108 unique pieces of artwork per member featuring stunning rarities from the Spider-Man Universe. These collectables will never be minted again.\n\nNothing stops someone from stealing art and selling an NFT. Example: https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-03-16/nfts-artists-report-their-work-is-being-stolen-and-sold/13249408", "If the argument is \"these are good systems that should replace or largely supplant conventional systems\" (as many more-or-less advocate for), then it's completely reasonable - or even imperative - to point out that these proposed replacements are very inefficient.\n\nEven setting aside anything currently tied to Proof of Work blockchains as being horrifically inefficient by design, most others sacrifice efficiency or scalability or any other number of features we already have in existing systems.\n\nSo for me, any defense of NFTs or Blockchain that consists of \"well it will get better in X number of years/decades\" will have the same response: \"Get back to me when it's better\"\n\nBecause implementing massive, inefficient systems under the promise that maybe some day it'll get better (and not run into any inherent design issues preventing it) when we already have systems that can do the job in a fraction the effort seems to me a losing venture.", "They can. Nothing stops them and I’ve seen NFT listings showing multiples of the same art from artists.", "Nope.\n\nA pyramid scheme is if each person invites more people and profits roll up. This is closer to a hype bubble based upon exclusivity.", "Bullshit. Go see what Origin Trail is doing. Home Depot has been using it for supply chain, among others, and raves about it.\n\nOr keep circle jerking.", "These NFTs also act as the means of verifying ownership for things like exclusive clubs, web tools, etc. so they literally enable utility if the project creators choose to build around the art.", "Not really. NFTs are being used like beanie babies' TY tag. No special law needed to be made to enforce a beanie babies value it just needed to reach a tipping point of social awareness and also ofc money laundering", "If you think Sony is fighting hard now for people to “own” the games on their system, why would you assume they’d be ok with losing that control? Major game companies could do this without NFTs except they don’t want to.", "\"If I owned a silk scarf,\" he said, \"I could put it around my neck and take it away with me. If I owned a flower, I could pluck that flower and take it away with me. But you cannot pluck the stars from heaven . . .\" \n\"No. But I can put them in the bank.\" \n\"Whatever does that mean?\" \n\"That means that I write the number of my stars on a little paper. And then I put this paper in a drawer and lock it with a key.\" \n\"And that is all?\" \n\"That is enough,\" said the businessman.", "Everything you said we could do with NFTs we already do without them. I don't hate the idea of an NFT, but the practical use cases are never worth the effort. I would love a single auction house for all my digital items, but that just seems like a hassle for EVERYTHING to be integrated with blockchain capabilities. We already have sites/forums dedicated to trading items and if we have to trust a third party, why go thru another step of going thru the blockchain if we don't have to.\n\nAlso, it sounds cool to be able to directly trade a fortnite dance for a charizard card and take these items with me from world to world and show them off or use them wherever I want, but why would I want to use my card outside of the client it was made for or having the dance outside of fortnite. Neither of those things are usable outside of the worlds they were made for so carrying them between worlds is the same as me carrying my laptop everywhere.", "At least be accurate in your criticism, it is closer to a hype bubble than an MLM.\n\nAlso, crying that crypto hurts the environment is idiotic.", "Yea I think that's fine for when it's supplanting it which is not the case right now. No ones is saying it's replacing visa right now.\n\n However if you're comparing mature technology to developed technology. \n\nTen years ago there were no electric cars out and now they are still a small portion of cars on the road. But as the technology gets better it supplant it more and more.", "Why don't they hash the NFT and then store that on the blockchain and list who owns that hash?\n\nThen anyone can easily verify the owner and it doesn't rely on some trusted third-party site maintaining the asset at a hyperlink and also doesn't cost a lot to write the hash to the blockchain (I assume).", "How would an NFT on the same block chain be able to link to the same file/image? Shouldn't what it's linking to be unique? Or does the blockchain not prevent this from happening?", "What's the incentive to host?", "Can’t tell if trolling. I never mentioned Bitcoin or payments. You could have just googled “Home Depot origin trail” to see for yourself.\n\nOr you can keep spouting off on things you’re completely ignorant of.", "It is a tricky problem. But so was streaming video on broadband at some point. I think you are underestimating the pace of innovation in blockchain.", "For a photo? Keep the original uncompressed Raw file only for yourself and give clients the jpg or whatever other format they want. And watermark if it's on the internet. It won't help a photo from going viral but helps with attribution. \n\nFor digital art I have no idea.", "They can both be bad", "How exactly could that be interpreted figuratively", "Should they instead hash the image and then store the hash on the blockchain, I assume for relatively low cost?\n\nThen it's in the interest of whoever owns the NFT for them or someone to own a copy of it. This removes the trust required for a third-party to maintain the image on a centralised server at a hyperlink.", "Well you still have to fund the account if you ever want to use it, tying your anonymous address to another. Not a problem if you use Binance or another CEX as the funding will come from Binance's public wallet. Still, something to consider.", "anyone who buys an nft Is a moron, prove me wrong", "It’s an MLM where you don’t even get nasty smelling oils or scarves, yes. Big difference.\n\nAnd your ignorance regarding the environmental impact is sad. Gullible ‘MLM hun’ sucker AND this is a regrettable combination.\n\nSet a timer, DM me in a couple years and I will offer commiseration because everyone does dumb stuff as part of growing up and sometimes we’ve just gotta learn the hard way. I just wish you weren’t doing harm WHILE getting grifted.", "Right, and if anyone is reading this and doesn't know what that means, a lot of these projects offer some form of exclusivity/perks for ownership (not copying the JPEG). The desirability and value varies wildly, but normally you'll need to connect your wallet (which contains the NFT, not just a copy of the JPEG). Recently, there was an NFT conference in NYC. If you owned a BAYC you got entry into some physical parties and such. Whether you actually would want to attend a party like that or not is up to you, but you get the idea. A lot of this stuff is for status and exclusivity purposes, for better or worse. I'm generally more interested in the utility-heavy projects and don't spend too much time with PFPs, but that's just a personal preference.", "sadder the huge billboards in times Square and downtown LA promoting this scam", "What’s a good use case for NFTs?", "beanie babies for gen z and stupid millennials", "Depends on the platform, Solana has very little environmental impact", "Why is it a good idea? Infinite reproducibility is why I like the internet", "Currently, the only incentives are personal desire to host a node. I have dabbled in contributing to crypto projects and the development environment required me to download IPFS in order to contribute code.", "> How does one confirm originality/authenticity in a purely digital medium?\n\nThat was figured out a long time ago with encryption and signing.", "What about my gaming NFTs?", "It's a goddam photo... I'm better off going to shutterstock and buying something there instead. I really fail to understand the push by various companies to roll out NFT's, especially when I can just copy/paste it.", "The biggest problem is that anyone can retrieve this data, resell the NFT, then publicize the previously secret data, even if it is securely encrypted. They can even make copies of the data to sell as new NFTs.", "The current thinking only allows for items and things to be made for a single world - single item usecase. Blockchain enables single item - multi-world usecase.\n\nAdditionally, NFTs are smart contracts. If you're a songwriter and you back a song with Blockchain you can ensure usages of your song (albeit limited to on-chain) filter back a percentage to you. Same with any digital art or license in the secondary market.\n\nI as the creator of art on the Blockchain can guarantee that when it is traded I earn 5% of the secondary sale. Why would I release anything not NFT-backed? Why would an individual artist ever sign with a publisher when this tool is released?\n\nLook at the tech talent flow at the elite level. They're leaving Amazon, Netflix hired gaming director, Chewy devs/execs are following Cohen...etc. \n\nIf you have the option to purchase something that is secured by the combined compute-power and verified by each and every node to be true before they can participate in the network vs. \"Well, Origin / Ubisoft / Bethesda got it in their DB and they've NEVER had complaints or dubiously removed access to their games before...\" (/s...in case you didn't know they have) \n\nI mean why go with the latter over the former? I think that gets lost in this argument constantly. One way is, by mathematical definition, more secure due to distributed nature of Blockchain as a platform and the true nature of ownership cannot be changed by the supplier or any intermediary. The other is \"we can already do that\". \n\nIt's like comparing the horse and car in my mind. \"We can already go faster than legs on a horse\" isn't a good reason to ignore the car. Keep in mind that cars didn't always look and drive like lambos too.", "At some point you have to trade your Fiat for BTC, so you either need to find an actual human with bitcoin that will take your fiat - or you use an exchange, like Coinbase, CashApp, etc. Either way you have to trust someone just a little bit.", "Imagine if you had to burn down a forest every time you got a receipt. What a useless fucking invention.", "You should really just watch the video because what you mentioned is gone over, but at an even deeper level. The main point is that even in your post you didn't talk about what NFTs actually are, and few people understand it. \n\nAll of these NFTs aren't even images. You aren't buying an image that someone can copy. You are buying a link to an image, which is not on the blockchain. A receipt of your purchase is on the blockchain, but the image is not. It's hosted somewhere, let's say a google drive. So you purchase the NFT, which is a link. Now I copy the image to my desktop. Who \"owns\" the image \"more\" now. You, with your link, or me, with the actual image?\n\nNow let's say that since that image was a link to a google drive, that person hosting it forgot to pay for the service. Or changed the image to a dick. Now the image you intended to purchase is either non-existent, or something different. It could be maliciously changed. So again, you just paid money for an NFT, yet all you have is a link that may or may not work. Why? You're buying a string of characters, a url.\n\nYou should really just watch the video.", "I'm sure you'll find those on NFTBay eventually.", "watermark removal in Photoshop", "Proof of stake is a long ways off and current mining uses twhs annually. idk how you can say that you work in energy policy and support the mining of literal energy tokens and say they don't stress the grid.\n\nShit, cyptominers bought a 50 year old coal plant which was decommissioned and fired it back up to mine Bitcoin. I work in energy development and idk how you can handwave all that shit lol.", "You wouldn't!", "Anything that doesn’t have to do with artificial scarcity.\n\nMy personal favorite is using a wallet full of NFTs (non-art) to act as a personally owned SSO solution.\n\nI’m tired of Google scraping sellable data from every single thing I do online because they make it easy to log on everywhere.", "^\n\nyour address on the ledger is going to be worth more than the nft itself. and thats if people care about \"authenticity\" of ownership.", "What? Lol let's just say I work at a firm that competes with citadel (prop trading) and 2020+21 are like the best two years ever for citadel. He made a killing last year and was never in danger of losing much on gme (esp relative to how much they made on spread due to increased volume and volatility). \n\nRobinhood and the retail boom is the best thing to happen to citadel sec in a loooong time. They love trading against retail traders so much they pay for the opportunity to do so (read up on pfof)\n\nCitadel is by far the most successful firm of their kind. They mint money, every year since 08 they've crushed it. Kens prob worth 25b+ atm \n\n2021 was a great year for citadel too. It's bonus season rn and my friends there are expecting frankly insane numbers", "money laundering", "You can take a picture of it. A tiny percentage of the world will get to see it in the museum. Far more will know it is in the museum, or that X paid that much for it. It's the status that matters for people buying very expensive pieces. By getting rid of the physical part, the enterprise still functions as intended for the collector. The thing with NFTs is it is just way more obvious with them that it never was about the art. It's a good thing that people are realizing this, everyone should appreciate that art should be enjoyed for its artistic merits, not financial ones.", "I'm guessing you didn't watch the video.", "Snopes used to be like that when trying to copy some text from an article. I would just pull up the source and copy from there.", "so. like a membership fee for ppl that want to hang out with other cool kids that paid the membership fee?", "100% this. If I'm listening to an mp3 of a song, that sounds exactly like the one the artist made on their computer - I don't effing care one bit (pun intended) that my song is a copy", "“nothing is guaranteed with physical art”? i mean, it’s guaranteed that you own a physical object that you like and can put in your house and stuff. it can be guaranteed authentic with a signature from the artist.", "The initial contract itself for an NFT project is on the blockchain and you can verify every transaction that interacts with that contract. It would be very easy to confirm with the artist (or maintainers of the project) what the contract token is.", "(also, we can't even imagine all the possibilities as to why your Charizard card might have value in a yet-to-be-created world)\n\nHassle? Sure...lots of work to be done. Doesn't change the fact that they're already building it. People are already trading them, learning the new environment and system rules...almost like a game forces you to do everytime you start a new RPG.\n\nIt's almost as though gamers are perfect for picking up a new system.\n\n\nThis of course is completely ignoring the built in audit trail for purchases/assets. Say a stock market exists with every share being an NFT. Hard to instill MORE trust in a system that gives every participant all information .", "Isn't it explained in the video that the image isn't stored with/in(no clue just badly regurgitating what I just watched) IPFS since the costs would be astronomical, so the only thing stored is the key to the link to the image or something like that. The image is stored on a Google drive or something... again totally curious and just trying to understand.", "I bought a star for a girlfriend of mine back in the 90’s. At least I got a cool certificate and a star map and some snuggles out of it.", "Nope, you're crazy", "And you’re overestimating the scope of blockchains capabilities.", "In what circumstances does the NFT itself provide copyright?", "Decentralized exchange", "I don't know enough about NFTs so I don't buy them. I also don't know enough about crypto currency so I don't buy those either.", "In a world of digital files, how can you ensure \"origination\". You can only be sure of the origination of the NFT. Let's say I have an image of artwork I created. I post it on my website. Then someone creates an NFT from it. The person buying the NFT doesn't own the artwork, they own a link to the artwork. A link to the image that this person copied from my website. Now what if I try to make an NFT with my artwork. Is it not the \"original\" because someone had already created an NFT with it?\n\nThis is currently happening with people's art from places like deviantart. Also an NFT isn't even \"rights to an image\". It's a digital receipt of your purchase, and the NFT itself is a link to the file. That's it.", "That would defeat the purpose of the project and no one would have bought in. The project is meant to be random generation of features upon mint -- no two images will be alike. It was a conscientious decision not to have multiple NFTs that all link to the same hosted image.", "Yeah but that code is a one time use, you cannot resell it. NFTs would allow you to do that. I'm sure most gamers would love a digital marketplace that allows selling second hand copies.", "It's fair enough if the argument is \"this technology might supplant existing systems\" (though my own opinion on this is still highly critical)\n\nBut frankly, that's not what most... shall we say \"evangelists\" say now - insisting it's not only the future, but it's better now and damn the consequences.\n\nAt the same time, in the case of bitcoin, et al.... plenty of e-coins have been attempted over the years, and arguably none have really delivered on their promises.", "If we're going to be pedantic, it functions more like a decentralized Ponzi scheme. There's no fundamental underlying value. A speculative asset without underlying value is a scam; the entire demand and liquidity for these things is contingent on recruiting new investors to offload them on to. Just like that, they become entirely worthless as soon as you run out of suckers. \n\n My point is that what you're describing functions in the exact same way as those scams. They're not selling tickets because if it that was the case, they'd just be selling tickets. They're using the same gimmicks to get their foot in the door and get you to sell their knives or buy in to provide liquidity for their entirely worthless JPEG receipts.", "Yep. Art theft is a HUGE problem NFTs are demonstrating to have. Artists that never even knew of NFTs are having their work stolen, sold, and then claimed ownership of, and a lot of times, the NFT distributor(website? Idk...) ignore copyright claims the artists make against them when they try to get the stuff they legally own taken down after they've been \"sold\"", "Don’t forget link rot. Suppose the website does some upgrade which changes the directory by even a letter.", "This is just BS to convince people that NFTs have no practical application. The technology behind NFTs can literally stop fraudulence in our markets by taking financial power away from centralized institutions. Look into Loopring guys.", "Go through the whole Blockchain to see what the earliest one is? That has to be done for every transaction anyways.", "What's frustrating is the base technology is useful, not extremely valuable, but useful. It's useful to have validated stores of data. For example, if you obtained an NFT for every game you buy on steam and then can easily transfer the ownership between accounts or platforms or perhaps buy the game in a store and transfer that ownership to online. A centralized database that many vendors recognize could be generated. Again no NFT there is extremely valuable but it provides value and is useful.", "Why would anyone buy it if the original artist isn't on board? And if no one knows who the original artist is, why would anyone buy something so un-noteworthy? It's pretty important these days that the NFT team reveals their identities and are transparent. If the team isn't willing to \"doxx\" themselves, RUN.", "I get it... But that's just Blockchain tech. So we wouldn't have to go through all this.\n\nI do think it'd be a nice concept to have land ownership in a blockchain form. Obviously centralized by the government of your country. It'd clear up a lot of land disputes and things like \"Grandpa sold his house to these people but it's still in his will that John gets the house,\"", "I will say it's probably/possibly cheaper to buy a couple prints, than to buy the printer that could print out that quality of a print. \n\nWith artwork, imo, there is a physical tangible thing you can purchase so as long as you have the documentation(which could probably be forged but whatever) you have absolute proof you own the thing.\n\nWith NFTs, as I understand it(which is very little and what little I do understand seems kinda dumb), your documentation is the block chain that proves you own the rights to the digital artwork but any one can pretty much save an exact copy of what you purchased and as long as they aren't trying to profit off your sales there's not much you can do about it. \n\nBut again I barely understand NFTs and block chains so take anything I say with a grain of salt.", "counterfeits exist but not to the point that “nothing is guaranteed” lol. a living artist can hand you something they made, that’s pretty guaranteed. a group of historical experts can track the ownership of a painting from the time it was created to its installation in a museum, that sounds guaranteed to me. certainly moreso than a piece of internet code saying “hey i’m associated with this hideous drawing of a monkey”", "You've made money off of them. That's great for you, I'm glad you escaped poverty. But just because you made money doesn't mean NFTs are a good thing. If anything, I think this money would bias you towards supporting it no matter what. There are plenty of ways in this world to make money by doing bad things. When the arms dealer points out how rich he's become by selling guns, that's not exactly a good defense of his actions (not that trading NFTs is anywhere close to being as bad, of course.).", "r/unexpectedsouthpark", "> Why would anyone buy it if the original artist isn't on board?\n\nLet me just call up Da Vinci and ask him to participate with the Mona Lisa NFT.", "I present to you a [two-of-a-kind certificate.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53a0a85be4b0b7f569f5f015/1470089262914-R1BOU4NHPEK1MO066I4N/Certificate+Seal)\n\nThis is the second I have presented. And I don’t even own the hyperlink.", "You'll get the image but zero of the utility that comes with the token itself. If there is no further utility, it's probably a super shitty project anyway.", "And that's a lot of words to say \"I have literally no idea what I'm talking about\". Crypto technology is a fuck load more than Bitcoin and not everyone investing in it is fluffing up currency specifically, the currency was just the first case of use. A lot is happening in that field and this is just the beginning.", "Nfts are as useful as their ecosystem. It's similar to media marketplaces. Do you own a movie or a song you bought? Kind of. If you can download it in an unprotected format, moreso. But if they ever lose the rights to distribute that data or the host goes out of business entirely, your access to it is gone. Having bought it before doesn't grant you access on other platforms.\n\nSimilarly, you could produce nfts that are actual exclusive access to a thing in the way they're being used for ticket sales. It would be nice to be able to resell access to games and movies as if you'd bought the disk.\n\nJust doesn't seem too likely that there would be an ecosystem so reliable and permanent that would inherently earn less for all involved. Maybe royalty systems would change that and I'm wrong but idk", "Why do they have to stop hosting their images? The only reason would be if the artist themselves wanted to issue an NFT. Otherwise, if I were the artist, why couldn't I just ignore it?", "cracks knuckles", ">And where do these NFT central links point to? Is there some NFT gatekeeper out there \n\nIt could point to anything. There are NFT markets that host art such as Opean Sea.", "I don't think any of these coins are going to function as a currency soon, but I'm genuinely curious: has anyone ever tried to compare the environmental impact of any crypto against a large traditional currency? Like USD or the Euro.", "> For reference, that's 916 times the energy it takes to perform a Visa transaction. (148kWh gets you 100,000 Visa transactions)\n\nThat 916 is an error, right? Second sentence would suggest that is ~250,000 transactions and an average power use of ~1.5Wh. Still seems a bit high, but not nearly as high as 400Wh in the first figure.", "Well anyone who has been into nfts since the spring or even summer has likely made a boatload of money so there’s that..", "You're literally the only one talking about currency. Genuinely you're out of your element.", "Nothing is stopping video game companies from allowing you to re-sell the code. You don’t need NFTs to accomplish this.", "NFTs can be useful, but not for the things they are currently being used for.\n\nThe main thing is issuing electronic tickets without going through a ticket providing service, so we can finally kill ticketmaster. Having proof that you own a ticket and that the proof was issued by the ticket creator is pretty much all you need. It allows for reselling your ticket as you please but gives the control of the initial sale to the venue", "S/he's like a fuckn monkey typing Shakespeare.", "It's like those Star Name offers you see on tv. You buy the naming rights for a particular star but only in the book which that particular company publishes. Other companies could publish their own books and no one is required to pay any attention to any of them.\n\nIn any case, you certainly don't own the star.", "Wow you really stuck it to me that time.", "There will only ever be 10k Apes and only 10k punks. I'm pretty sure the real owner would have to deploy a new contract to the blockchain to \"churn out more identical NFTs.\" The fact that these are being minted from a totally different contract means it won't dilute the tokens belonging to the original contract.\n\nBut let's ignore all this -- what would be the motivation for the project owners to destroy their own market? The project owners receive 2.5% royalties on \\every aftermarket sale\\ -- they would shoot themselves in the foot by doing this.", "I do love to see some claim NFTs aren’t completely worthless", "you don’t even have to copy the NFT, literally anyone can just make a new one from the source material.", "_The year is 1996. Uncle Harold is sitting on a recliner, smoking the pipe. \"Say boy, your parents say you spend an awful lot of time on that computer at the library. What is it with kids these days? You should be reading books instead. What is there on that machine that you can't find in the real world by asking the librarian?\"_", "Literally no one will deny that it's profitable, and yes everyone wishes they invested when it was cheap- I hate apple but I wish I bought the shit out of their stocks in the past, it's such a cliche it's the go-to time travel scenario.\n\nIt's still stupid. The idea was to have a currency that you could purchase things with, the only currency unbound by governments, that you could purchase countless online items with. Now you can uh...idk, maybe buy a car on a weird scam site? A uh...T Shirt, maybe a dumb watch- maybe???\n\nIt's only purpose, is to be sold for actually usable US currency. In which case I ask, why the fuck is it worth anything at all then??? And the answer is, is because people are buying and selling bitcoins. People are buying? Price goes up, time to sell. People are selling? Price goes down, time to buy. And on and on, with no one asking why- because there's a chance that you'll get more money than what you put in! A useless, entirely random stock.", "The problem this doesn't solve is the 'double spend' problem that the original Bitcoin implementation solved. Basically, I can prove that the creator of the art has transferred rights to me, however there's nothing stopping them from also transferring rights to someone else. And unless everyone is keeping an extremely close eye on what is being moved around, they could potentially sell the 'original' several times before anyone caught on. The blockchain solves this for digital currency, but not sure how closely it could map to stuff like this.", "... Is there supposed to be a /s at the end of that?", "So capitalism with fewer steps. \n\nAnd I'm not saying this as a bash on either.", "> I'm hoping that when the Ethereum network is truly upgraded to proof-of-stake vs. proof-of-work, it'll set things in motion for a more environmentally friendly approach\n\nI remember talking with someone who worked at the ethereum…. company? foundation? ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ talking about this like 4 years ago. Seems like it’s always 6 months away.", "Sure, but that sounds like making a bubble to me. If you buy something and then sell it solely based on its speculative value (i.e. you don't add anything to it and it doesn't become more useful), the increased value is artificial. Eventually it gets to the point where no one is willing to buy it, and it has no use otherwise, so prices start falling. And when this happens to multiple people at the same time, you get a crash--the bubble bursts. The illusory value vanishes.", "> I hate websites that do that.\n\nWhy?", "Technically, they legally have to respond to DMCA requests. The one you're thinking about, OpenSea, tries to discourage people from submitting claims by providing the thieves with the full, unredacted DMCA request, essentially requiring that you dox yourself to the thieves in order to get it taken down.", "How is losing any purpose somehow \"more\"? It's worth rn is defined solely on people buying and selling, it has no actual use beyond being sold for an actually usable currency (the dollar). \n\nWhen Elon Musk can make a bad stand up joke and tank your entire currency, something is fucked up.", "Sorry, it's been a long day.\nYeah;\n\n148.63kWh / 100000 = 1.4863Wh per Visa transaction\n\n369kWh per NFT transaction\n\n369000Wh / 1.4863Wh = 248267.5\n\nSo yeah, for the energy cost of one NFT transaction you're looking at doing just under 250,000 Visa transactions.", "So then what the hell is Web3 if no assets are actually on the blockchain??", "Art itself is mostly without value. It's the certificate of authenticity that makes it valuable. It's a beautiful painting but where's the piece of paper that proves it was really painted by Leonardo da Vinci? \n\nThe job of the NFT is to be a valueless piece of paper that provides provenance and thereby value to something else. The biggest problem is that anyone can make an NFT for anything. Two NFTs can point to the same digital object and there's no way to tell which one is the REAL NFT.", "Most people are in there for the money . It's just speculation.", "But you can’t use them in the games.", "And instead it's created a massive wave of art theft, it's depressing- I've seen so many small time artists just give up being public after NFT cunts steal their work endlessly", "Should there be? If one of your concerns was that the hosted file could be lost at any time on the originating server, having a torrent of all them, essentially increasing the decentralization, would eliminate that concern, no?", "Oh shit, people don't know this?", "> can this artists digital signature be duplicated? \n\nIt would be much easier to duplicate Micky Mantle's autograph.", "It's more like those tacky collectibles that you could buy from a magazine ad that comes with a \"Certificate of Authenticity.\" It's not worth much if the product itself isn't perceived to be valuable and if there isn't some other kind of external verification of the certificate of authenticity.\n\nThat said, everything has the value that the market is willing to pay for it. If people wanna be stupid with their money, so be it.", "> Otherwise, if I were the artist, why couldn't I just ignore it?\n\nAre you seriously asking why an artist would be upset that their art is being stolen and sold on a commercial market?\n\nEdit; And to be clear, that is theft. Not in the \"stop right-clicking my monkey PFP\" way, but actual intellectual property theft.", "And what’s the way to get over that?", "Proof of Stake is coming soon (and that's finally without the TM). The spec is done, beacon chain has been running smoothly for a whole year with millions of ETH staked, eth1-eth2 client interopability achieved huge milestones just a few weeks ago and more recently there's been the first merged testnet this week.\n\nIt's been all hands on deck with all core dev efforts on the merge since October and they're pretty much in testing/final phases. Unless some major bug or security issue shows up during the test, Ethereum will be finally ditching proof of work within the next 6 months. \n\nIt's easy to point at past optimistic timelines of the past but that doesn't change the reality that there's a shit ton of actual concrete steps being achieved towards the goal of environmental sustainability.", "It doesn't really matter. Miners might be using power from a dam, but that means that a town that used to get all its power from the dam only gets some of its power from the dam. What makes up the difference? It's all the same grid.", "Nothing", "But Alf pogs are coming back!", "People aren’t actually paying for these things are they?", "Guys we need to build another blockchain to verify purchases of bitcoin on the main blockchain.", "Right I don't doubt ETH making that change. But what about Bitcoin? I'm far from an expert but aren't they like 60% of the crypto market?", "Lol a bunch of Tim Pool dorks on there jerking off on each other's beanies, no thanks. Go mint this post now", "Loving the hate this tech is getting. NFTs aren't about art. It's going to be great", "Well, sure, except if I sell it to you, I can sign a receipt saying that. And now you post your receipt to showoffsareus.com. Heck, the receipts can say \"ownership tracked on these websites\".\n\nThen if I say \"hey look I bought it\", you can say \"yeah, but you sold it, see\", and it anyone wants to look up who owns it, they can check the website.", "Your statement is true but doesn't touch on any points of my argument", "The mood swing between reading \"The man who built NFTBay\" and \"The Site where you can pirate any NFT\" gave me whiplash.", "I'll do ya one better. I'll un-downvote the man for it! You won't find a better deal.", "I would F12 the shit outta deez nutz", "Yeah, but if I want to sell it, I can just sign a receipt saying I sold it, that includes the original receipt. And we can post all this to some website.\n\nGet all the cryptographic goodness without the silly costs.", "I don't assume that, you're implying I do via a loaded question in order to set up a strawman, as your argument will not stand on its own merits.\n\nSeems that your argument against NFTs has evolved to \"big businesses don't want it so it won't happen\"\n\nNot very bold.\n\nEdit: Just to give you something at least, major companies could NOT do this. Unless they set up a decentralized blockchain. If they make their own tokens that they still have control over, then they could still revoke access to the games which defeats the entire purpose.", "It's crazy how there are like a million experts on this stuff just hanging out in this reddit thread. I'm old", "The tokens created by someone not affiliated with the artist will hold no value. Regarding the ability to mint more tokens or delete the URL, yes that is a risk as an early buyer. But an artist that has a good relationship with their buyers will avoid doing this as they can reap royalties on the secondary market and will benefit from their tokens appreciating in value (this is not theoretical, this is how it works on most NFT marketplaces today).", "“In its present form” is a perfect way to frame this conversation. I firmly believe that NFTs could be a viable item in the future, but they aren’t there yet. I don’t realistically know what it would take to make them more viable, but I think there is some intrinsic value to be had in NFTs. Again, I’m just not the guy to get them there.", "Digging deeper in dev tools, or sorting network traffic.", "Hdoebwgqlnbgccxdzml!", "Yeah your response to what he said shows you have no idea what you're talking about.", "Delete the div. Developer tools are powerful. They let you add, edit, or delete any kind of html (among many other things). So if there’s an invisible div on top of the image just click on it in dev tools and delete it.\n\nI’ll note that any changes you make are ephemeral, reloading the page will bring back all of the original code.", "How is a NFT any different from copyright transfer in this case?\n\nCan I license an NFT for profit? Do I have any real ownership of intellectual property?", "Introducing copyright law into nft kinda defeats the purpose of Blockchain though, what with it's decentralized etc etc", "The blockchain would not have evidence that someone minted another NFT of the thing before yours was minted. We're not talking about multiple transactions with the same thing, we're about different things each with their own series of transactions.", "I'm gonna flip this on its head.\n\nThere are thousands if not tens of thousands of OTC stocks that have been worth basically nothing for the last ten years and will be worth nothing for the next ten years. Ask yourself: Why did crypto valuations go crazy instead of one of these micro-cap stocks? Why didn't we see some random sandwich shop in North Dakota pump up to over 10% of the market cap of gold like this?\n\nInversely, why aren't people just ignoring crypto? Why do we have these crazy valuations, record VC investment, fortune 500 building out products, discussion posts on /r/videos with thousands of upvotes, post after tiring post, year after year on /r/technology saying that it's stupid and nobody should use it, instead of all the posts about crypto just being downvoted because nobody cares about it?\n\nIf, as you say, its so obvious that its only purpose is to be sold for actually usable currency, then why hasn't the bubble popped yet? Why haven't people forgotten about it as it fades into obscure nothingness? It's been twelve years of constant market cycles, laying dormant for a couple years then surging back onto the media main stage. Shitty microcap companies fade into bankruptcy, they don't come back a decade later to make cameos on international news and show up in bloomberg segments. Do you think we just need to wait another twelve years for the world to finally realize that it's worthless and stop spamming and upvoting news about it everywhere?\n\nAnd yes, as a side note it's pretty clear that crypto \"currency\" makes a pretty shitty currency. Ironically, it made a way better currency 6 years ago back when more shops accepted it than do now, including Steam, Wordpress, Dell, and a few others.\n\nThere has to be some reason that the public picked crypto and not that sandwich shop stock in North Dakota, would you not agree? What do you think that reason is?", "Plus, providing a RAW or uncompressed version of the digital file versus a JPEG or MP3 is a great way to prove ownership. You could then say \"This is the hash for the original\" and post that publicly, allowing anyone to independently verify their copy.", "Your argument only works if you assume major video game companies would go along with it. If they don’t participate in the type of NFT activity you’re talking about then it’ll never be a viable reality. They have to grant you access to their game if you have an NFT instead of a cd key. \n\nAnd if they’re not the ones making the tokens then who is going to be issuing it for a video game company’s game?\n\nAnd yes, big businesses have been spending money to compete with Steam so they can have their own marketplace. They’re not going to just decide to scrap it all for NFTs when they have less control over it.", "Trying not to get too into the underlying tech. As others are saying, NFTs are bought and sold through blockchains. \"Proof-of-work\" blockchains consume an immense amount of power to run, because people are basically battling processors for a chance to win crypto currency. New \"proof-of-stake\" chains consume far less power, but proof-of-work remains the dominant form right now. \n\nPart 2 is that each new \"block\" (list of new transactions since the last block) in a blockchain has a size limit, and adding more computers doesn't increase the size. It is also standard for blockchains to self-adjust, becoming harder to mine the more computers are mining, so the number of computers in the battle royale has no meaningful effect on the throughput of the network. \n\nThis means that the Ethereum blockchain (the most popular for NFTs, last I checked) can only process somewhere between 15 and 45 transactions per second. \n\nNow, it's time to discuss \"blame,\" and I believe that it's reasonable to blame the carbon footprint of the network on the transactors (not to let miners off the hook). If there were no transactions, the coin would be worthless, so nobody would mine it. In that context, the ecological cost of a transaction is the cost of the network divided by the throughput.\n\nSo, with all that in mind, the electrical cost (setting aside the additional e-waste cost from equipment depreciation) of a single transaction on the Ethereum blockchain, whether coins or NFTs, is over 200kWh at present. Which is more power than the average US household burns in a fucking week. Every single time one is sold/re-sold.", "Bitcoin's gonna bitcoin until it bitcoin'd itself out of existence lol, they think resisting to all changes is their selling point when their long term sustainability model makes no sense. Plus there's no NFTs on bitcoin so apologies for thinking you were talking about ETH in this context", "That sounds like a lot of work, plus requires trust between you, the buyer and any third-party that is interested in the authenticity of the sale. I would much rather have a network I trust execute this for me. It's not like we have to build the tech to do this, it is live and secure today. I understand where you come from, a lot of this often sounds like techno babble and bullshit (sometimes is!). But I invite you to cultivate your curiosity instead of flat out rejecting a new technology because it sounds too complex or morally ambiguous. If you are interested in cryptography I am certain there is something at least a bit interesting for you in there.", "You're completely wrong. Something does stop artists from selling multiple NFTs of the same image. Something also stops people from stealing art and selling it as an NFT.\n\nIt's called reputation. Ever wonder why Bored Apes are so valuable? It's not like they represent any kind of great leap in graphic art. It's because their artist has a reputation and their art has an established value. If they were to sell 1000 copies of a piece instead of 1, its value would be less than cents on the dollar. Furthermore, the value of all their other work would be greatly diminished due to the hit to their reputation. Are you seriously going to say \"nothing is stopping them from doing that\"? How about the millions of dollars they're making? I'd say that's a pretty strong motivator.\n\nBecause some likely idiots bought NFT art without verifying the reputation of the artist / seller and therefore the authenticity of the work, does not prove anything about legitimate NFTs. Safe to say the stolen art is not selling for millions of dollars, like some very few original NFTs are. Fools and their money are easily separated, in all things.\n\nThanks for telling me I don't understand what an NFT is, however in this case it's you who does not understand. If you did, you would be making a different argument.\n\nSpiderman NFTs are worthless. That's not a gotcha.", "So bullshit that governments and banks attempt to block it while creating their own crypto currency. When banks and governments get involved, you know there is something to it. Or do you really think those parties are doing that for the better of mankind?", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_Electronic_Registration_Systems", "NFTs as an industry were crafted in order to hide upper tier money laundry.\n\nNormally when you transfer money to a person, whether thats for a sale of a good or as a present, you get taxed if the quantity is above $10k. \n\nHowever in the art industry, the lack of regulation on the qualifying feature of \"art\" makes a subjective market with extraordinary rules. As long as people are willing to pay a price, the art is valid. Though a tax is assessed, this rate is less than the gift or sales tax rate, as well as a collective bargaining between sellers to artificially raise the price of art, art can be \"donated\" as a tax deductible. \n\nThis deduction is used to offset capital gains tax on crypto shorted overt the volatile year, while others being scammed in the process is a side bonus.", "Just like crypto \"currency\" (which is literally useless as a currency), NFTs are \"solving\" a problem developed countries don't have.\n\nUltimately, ownership can only be enforced in the courts and the only reason courts have power is because they are a representative of the state.", "You can't \"pirate\" an NFT image because an NFT doesn't give ownership rights to copies of that image in the first place. But yes, this does help to underscore how dumb this whole thing is.", "I think you already know the answer to that question.", "If you trust showoffsaureus.com then they can just keep a system of accounts. No need for the PKI.", "Coffeezilla use to be the kid in school to remind the teacher about yesterday’s homework.", "If I take a picture of a building, I don’t own it.\n\nY’all are so fucking dumb.", "Sure all we need is an even shittier DMCA for the new millennium!", "You cannot sign a fake Picasso before Picasso has painted it first. Plus it's not like NFTs artworks are devoid of context. If an artist is selling NFTs they will publicly say it, post the smart contract address on their Twitter or their website for instance. You should never buy something if you are uncertain of the origin.", "Yeah, they can be used like digital authographs. To create one there is a transaction fee, I think it is like €70. Robert De Niro can create NFTs and say whatever he wants, but he will have to be clever to get people to want to pay for them. If he were to say on public television \"I will create only one NFT, and this will be the De Niro NFT.\", people might be willing to pay for it.", "The point of NFTs is to have a system to verify digital ownership. \n\nJust because people make stupid art and use good technology doesn’t make the technology stupid or dumb.\n\nThe technology is amazing.", "This still seems like something that could be handled with straight up signing. A combination of signed and timestamped receipts stored on a (several) serves, and checking with the repository(s) before giving any money, could solve that. Of course, you'd have to be careful, but computers are generally pretty good that if you tell them to be.\n\nBlockchain might solve the sell twice, but given the costs, it seems like if that was the only issue, a website where you can say \"has this been sold? No, cool, then it has now/Yes, then dude's a scammer no money for him\" would be sufficient.", "This is and will continue to be a problem since the dawn of the Internet with napster and every movie torrenting site since... it's just part of digital information and file-sharing. I support artists. I buy (or rent) my movies. ...but I'll tell you what I wouldn't buy an NFT for 5 fucking cents.", "Here's another fun dox related fact: Tax assessor information in the US is public record. In many counties you can simply look up someone's address on their county's tax assessor website.", "> That sounds like a lot of work\n\nProbably less than block chain\n\n> plus requires trust between you, the buyer and any third-party\n\nYes, some. You can introduce redundancy by having multiple independent sources hosting and verifying receipts, but I'd rather deal with that then with the downsides of blockchain.", "You're not wrong, but few NFTs actually store the content on-chain because doing so is expensive (and limited in space). Most NFTs just store a link to the image. In some cases that's an IPFS link (so anyone can re-host aka pin the file easily, and you can pay cheap services to pin it for you), but other times it's literally a link to the image hosted on the creator's website or a google drive link.\n\nIPFS is the only one that is remotely resilient, short of storing the underlying art directly on chain (which is rare)", "They haven’t given them out yet.\n\nIf you don’t want it, I’ll take it.\n\nBut that’ll be a very valuable NFT in 15 years.", "Which is precisely why NFTs are selling for so much money. Talk about a technology accidentally backing itself into criminal behavior.", "Yeah but I can touch my pogs, so there is at least some intrinsic value there", "Redditors are too fucking dumb to understand how amazing this tech is.\n\nThey hate it because they don’t want to understand it.\n\nRacists only see the crime in blacks.\n\nThese idiots only see the scams people are doing with NFTs.\n\nSome people only want to see the bad.", "Nope, that is not a solution.", "Why buy anything digital. Be a pirate.", ">Yes, some. You can introduce redundancy by having multiple independent sources hosting and verifying receipts, but I'd rather deal with that then with the downsides of blockchain.\n\nCongratulations you've invented the blockchain. It is literally what it is doing.", "This is what frustrates me the most. As someone who works in crypto, but really just because I enjoy the tech (I have only very small amounts invested in it for logistical purposes, and I only own NFTs I got for free because I worked on them), NFTs are going to have some really interesting uses in the future for different crypto stuff in the future. \n\nBeing able to prove cryptographically that something happened, or that someone owns something (within the context of that chain) without the need for a central authority is a very powerful thing.\n\nIt breaks my heart daily that that we're currently using it for nothing other than selling images to eachother.", "Stand ins for real property ownership would be an improvement over our current titling system. Digital collectible card games(that can be made provably fair), digital asset/economy management(MMOs, or games with heavy skinning/customization as big draws).\n\nThere are plenty of ways NFTs _could_ be useful(with varying levels of effort/change required), it's just unfortunate what got the most popular is probably also the most stupid use of the tech I could've ever dreamed.", "I have it on good authority that those websites are still around.", "20 years ago viewing page source was a lot easier and you could write a small shell program to save whatever image you wanted.\n\nOn windows IE also saved everything to an easy to find cache folder so sometimes it was already on your system.", "Can you Eli5?", "This is a stupid take. Only Ethereum NFTs are like that, and ETH is garbage.", "Anything with ownership. NFTs make it easy and transparent to trace ownership of any asset (I.e. deed to a house, music composition, etc)", "He doesnt know shit", "So I shouldn’t trade in my Dave and Busters tickets for D&B’s NFT’s?", "Nope.", "Get to PiP how? Can you not just click the icon on the video that pops it out or am I talking about something else? \n\nI think Ctrl+Alt+[ or ] will pop the video out too.", "It’s a torrent plus a receipt saying you bought the torrent. There are ways you could implement this differently (storing a hash of the file in the NFT, storing the binary data in the NFT, etc…) but they come with additional overhead and storage costs.", "What difference does it make if my CS:GO skin is controlled by Valve's centralized servers or through the blockchain?\n\nThe skins would still only be applicable to one game, which means that I'm at their mercy in any case. If the game's fanbase dwindles or if the company straight-up stops supporting my specific NFT, I'm shit out of luck.", "But what will verify the purchases on this blockchain? We need another blockchain!", ">If there were multiple identical copies made and sold by the original artist, it would be fungible and not an NFT. \n\n>Spiderman NFTs are worthless.\n\nSo are multiple identical copies of the same thing an NFT or not? You seem to be flip-flopping on this. Or is your definition of NFT something that has value? Because that's not the definition of an NFT. The value can also go up and down over time.\n\n>If they were to sell 1000 copies of a piece instead of 1, its value would be less than cents on the dollar. Furthermore, the value of all their other work would be greatly diminished due to the hit to their reputation. Are you seriously going to say \"nothing is stopping them from doing that\"? How about the millions of dollars they're making? I'd say that's a pretty strong motivator.\n\nOk so because one company is making millions of dollars on it means other people (who aren't making millions of dollars) won't try to re-sell their images to get more money? I literally linked you to an artist who did this: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/can-an-nft-artist-sell-virtually-the-same-work-more-than-once/ar-AALgG3T](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/can-an-nft-artist-sell-virtually-the-same-work-more-than-once/ar-AALgG3T).", "The argument about the fappening being used with this technology was a powerful thought.", "No it’s like a ticket to a football game. Anyone can take a picture of your ticket but only you can use the ticket to get into the game. Same idea with nfts. There clubs. Bored apes is literally a exclusie ticket to yacht parties and secret chatting clubs.", "> deed to a house\n\nWhat happens if I lose the private key that proves ownership of my house? \n\n> music composition\n\n?", "Also if your wallet is compromised you have to move out, sorry those are the rules", "> You own the key that allows you to decode the hyperlink.\n\nYou don't even own that, at least not in any commonsense usage of the word \"own\". Everyone else can follow the same link. You don't have any rights or ownership over the intellectual property at the other end of that link.\n\nAt best you \"own\" a receipt for paying for... something. You don't actually own that something, but you do own the receipt. And apparently other people are in the market for buying up receipts?", "I don’t get why people think nfts are just a picture. It’s essentially a ticket to something. Just like you buy a ticket to a sporting event or concert. It’s proof of ownership.", "The problem is that software is too \"perfect\". Someone can phish you and steal your NFT land title, and then what's your recourse?", "> Why didn't we see some random sandwich shop in North Dakota pump up to over 10% of the market cap of gold like this?\n\nBecause people foolishly believed that it would be a legitimate independent currency. No one will put there money behind sandwiches as the new worls currency. \n\n> Inversely, why aren't people just ignoring crypto?\n\n... Like any other product, if you get people to believe in something they'll but into it. \n\n> instead of all the posts about crypto just being downvoted because nobody cares about it?\n\nLook, you're kinda defensive about this. No one is arguing that it doesn't have steam as a moneymaker. It's going to be profitable 10 years from now. But it still won't be a currency.\n\n> its so obvious that its only purpose is to be sold for actually usable currency, then why hasn't the bubble popped yet?\n\nMfer, it being a stock has nothing to do with a collapsible bubble. It could just be a blue chip stock for it's entire existence. But it's still just that. \n\n> What do you think that reason is?\n\nBecause some assholes decided they could make money off of it with very little effort. It is an idea and a product. They can hype it up and get others to throw their money at them with the goal of \"currency\", when they really just want more. They cannot do that with a sandwich shop.", "Windows Key + Shift + S just do it that way 🤷‍♂️", "All I said was that there is nothing on the blockchain of a particular NFT that can verify that nobody, anywhere, has ever minted another NFT of the thing in question before yours.\n\nWhich implies that, yes, the buyer would need to be damn sure they aren't getting scammed one way or another before purchasing.\n\nAnd by the way, that might not be easy to do, since a lot of the exchanges for NFTs have absolute dogshit verification practices, and they end up verifying impersonators: https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/20/22334527/nft-scams-artists-opensea-rarible-marble-cards-fraud-art", "Is this in reference to something?", "NFT's can be used to prevent predatory ticket scalping practices. [GET protocol](https://explorer.get-protocol.io/), for example already issued 1 million tickets and a handful of companies adopted this.", "I'll downvote every other comment on reddit, so you'll technically get 2 upvotes from me.", "Where is this long list?", "He’s done that with his own company’s stock as well. Is the stock market bullshit too?", ">that doesn't really mean a whole lot - you can't sell it.\n\nYea this is missing the point of right clickers, its not about selling it, its about doing something that the \"owner\" is powerless to stop. Its just a bit of fun really. \n\nRight clickers dont care about selling jpegs, The're avoiding the profts but also the losses.", "The future state will be when the United States creates a digital currency on a Blockchain. A lot of advantages for the govt to do this too (think of how easy it would be track revenue/taxes).\n\nOnce that happens, they will simply legislate away other digital currencies...", "There’s no debate that people in this market are attaching a lot of value to NFTs. But I think that reflects their desire to profit, not the inherent meaningfulness of the NFT itself. It’s a gimmick to make money, but if enough people believe in the gimmick then it works.", "\"I am the sole owner of this NFT, guys! Now if only I could get someone to seed that last 0.01% I could actually view it!\"", "I honestly can't tell if your last sentence is a joke or not", "Good to see Coffee getting his props.", "Actually Non Fungible Tokens are unique in the blockchain that’s what the non fungible part means. A signed baseball card can easily be duplicated with a scanner and some card stock. It’s the real life equivalent of copy pasting someone’s digital artwork. What makes the real baseball card valuable? You’re not buying the card you’re buying the authentic signature on the card. NFTs allow digital artists to authentically “sign” they’re artwork in a way that the “signature” can’t be reproduced. The artwork can, just like a baseball card can be easily duplicated, but it’s authenticity can’t.", "Ah, yeah, didn't even consider how much simpler the source for sites was in general, to the point where you needed mostly html and maybe a bit of javascript to do what most everyone was doing. (Unless it was actually more complex, I was taught only the basics and never ended up studying more because I wasn't a fan of doing something so front-ended/visual based)", "The website doesn't even try to explain what the protocol actually _does_.\n\n> GET Protocol is a digital ticketing solution that brings all sorts of benefits to its users through the application of innovative technology. In doing so, it drastically improves every aspect of the ticketing experience.\n\nLOL", "How do you bypass the page being \"paused\" and nothing works as long as developer tools is open?", "You could, but if you're on a laptop with low resolution and the image is pretty big it could be getting scaled down. Sometimes they'll serve the full-size image and you can grab that.", "No i’m not saying decentralized arbitration is hard, i’m saying it’s impossible. You either get contract arbitration or a decentralized consensus protocol. You literally fundamentally can’t have both.\n\nEdit: i have 2 degrees in computer science with a specialization in networks, distributed systems and cryptography. From the very beginning of the internet everyone knew we’d be transporting video over it in the future.", "Woah, I see. I'll play with it later. Ty", "Yeah I don't think the concept of nft's are wrong. It's a way for digital artists to sell their work. It's just that people use the hype train to sell people stupid random generated pixelated crap.", "It's my understanding that I could take a screenshot of your post and turn it into an NFT and sell that NFT.\n\nSomeone else could also make an NFT to that same screenshot and sell it. Or they could take their own screenshot of your post, and sell an NFT to that.\n\nIn any case, what difference does the date make? The digital asset is arbitrary, and the date at which it is turned into an NFT is arbitrary.", "Sounds like the Performance or Memory tab or something may be locking it. You'll have to poke around to stop the logging.", "I am going to spoon feed your lazy ass here because I have free time for now\n\nHere you go:\nhttps://faq.get-protocol.io/get-faqs/general-faq\n\nIs it really hard to click the previous link and SCROLL down the page without trying to be smug at people?", "I seriously thought the funny animated animal gifs were like... A joke about frivilous virtual goods. But there are monkeys with glasses in this thumbnail are nfts really as dumb as southpark made then look? I mean wow", "Only a minor detail. Instead of \"official reddit logo\" the chain says \"image that is hosted in \\[address\\]\". \n\nAnd the contents of address could change at any day, be it by a malicious owner, hacker, or simply 50 years from now when the owner passes away. Then, the link will become \"404 error not found\". \n\nAt this point the NFT gets into some legally strange territory. I assume that the NFT holder is the legal owner of the image, but it would not be easy to prove so (I guess using some internet time machine?)...but what would reselling the NFT mean once the link is down? I am sure that this will have different rulings depending on the country and the amount of lawyers that you hire. \n\nAll of this is to point out that the concept of linking ownership to an NFT is not yet as bulletproof as one would think.", "I remember 20yrs ago in school when right clicking was disabled, or a song embedded, in IE you'd go to something like tools > page properties (or something?) And then a tab would show you all the embedded objects, including the song you were looking for. Is that basically the same thing?", "lol what a mess. Opensea and Rarible are terrible platforms, I hope something better will replace them", "Data storage isn't free. If you store an image on the blockchain, it takes up as much space as the image's file size at its chosen compression. Hashes aren't magic compression/decompression algorithms, you can't compress an image down to some arbitrary hash value and then reconstruct the image from that hash later.\n\nThe obvious problem with storing a digital image on the blockchain as a means for someone to uniquely \"own\" it (aside from the immense cost of storing kilo/megabytes of data on the blockchain) is that literally everyone who has access to the blockchain will by definition have access to the data contained on the blockchain, namely that image that someone purports to \"own\".", "If you get banned you can still trade your skins. You could also buy/sell/trade skins without installing csgo or steam for that matter.", "That might be the single most long winded way to say \"okay but it's popular tho?\". As I said, it's immensely profitable, it's a stock that isn't tied to how a business is performing, but rather who else just happens to be buying/selling the stock at that time. That basically turns it into the best slot machine in the world, one that isn't even tilted in the houses favor since there is no \"house\" to begin with. \n\nWhy talk about it? Why does ol' Muskie, Bloomberg, Dell, and every other soulless company with boats of cash talk these up? Two things- 1. Advertisement- if it's worth goes up when people buy, and people buy when they hear how AMAZING AND INNOVATIVE crypto is, then they buy up a bunch, publish a story, wait a week- and have a huge net gain. 2. Talking up entrepreneur's and hopping on trends is part of the PR business- it's bullshitting to impress investors and look hip. Why did Discord try adding NFT support- they don't fucking know, \"NFT's are those new millennial things yeah? That's hip, were hip, give them a wallet for it\", it attract more users.\n\nBut- not everyone's some greedy business, what about cryptobros? Thriving communities, people who build their lives on it, give classes on it, talk about it endlessly and know how it's the future of- they're insecure. It's how nerd shit goes, I'm a nerd I know- video games couldn't just be a fun new media- they had to be the oppressed gamer nerd class who were going to define the next generation of creativity, badass pwning hardcore gamers, the elites with weird subcultures and slang that YOU JUST DONT GET MOM.\n\nCrypto shit is no different. None of it is that deep, but how do you just tell people you've gotten lucky at the crypto market/slots- or hit a weird opportunity early and made bank? That's not that cool, or smart, that's...lucky- how do you brag about luck?? Well maybe...it isn't- and if you too- you pure little simpleton, just look at this amazing, INNOVATIVE, DEFINING NEW TECH, and listen to me explain basic economic theory with as much meaningless business and tech jargon as I can physically fucking cram into one sentence, you too- can magically know how to HIJACK the crypto market, and make TRILLIONS BABY. \n\nAs for the bubble- other bubbles pop due to how it takes money to reinvest in them, crypto is insanely cheap to get back into when it crashes. And when other bubbles pop, people leave saying \"okay so it's worthless, fuck you\". When crypto crashes and people say that- aaaaaall you ever fucking hear is \"NO ITS THE FUTURE OF ONLINE CURRENCY, YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND MOM!!!\", and inevitably enough people buy again for the bubble to begin to inflate, and everyone goes \"oooo maybe ILL be the rich guy if I buy low this time!!\" and the casino is back in business.\n\nTl;Dr: crypto is simple to explain, it had a neat idea- to be a non-central currency, but it instead became an amazing stock that those with enough publicity can hijack. The small fry then over explain and throw on overbloated explanations to hide that 90% of all this is just luck, making an entire personality off of it like so many other internet cultures do. Now big corps have smelt the money in the water and hopped on advertising for it so they get the big bucks, all while the bubble never pops because no one slows down to ask \"wait...what purpose does Bitcoin EVEN SERVE ANYMORE???\"", "In this case though, there is no original. There are only prints, and now expensive certificates of authenticity being sold for an original that doesn't exist.", "Yup, just way more powerful than it used to be.", "Except we already have digital rights management?\n\nDigital products made by creators are able to be protected by copyright law and \n\nSteam could allow you to sell games in your library to other users immediately if it wanted to, the limit is that Steam don’t want that to happen because it undermines the entire marketplace, even more than scummy G2A companies do\n\nBut also, even if you wanted this to happen, why the fuck would anyone use an NFT and crypto system for this? Why not use USD??\n\nThe minting process costs about $75, so every time you want to sell a game you’d have to add that price onto the top of it.\n\nAnd at the end of the day Steam would need to verify your account and transaction anyway\n\nThere is literally nothing about this process which an NFT improves", "“I’M IN!”", "What is the \"normal\" way of selling digital art?\n\n> they can sell you a unique corresponding token associated with it but w/o losing the ownership of the artwork themselves\n\nWhile this is possible, it would be the result of an artist defrauding customers and a buyer not knowing anything. Any normal contract to purchase an nft should clearly include the rights to the art.", "You can trace ownership to a string of wallets. Identifying who owns those wallets is impossible.\n\nDecentralised Blockchains are designed around anonymity of users. How can you do anything involving ownership when everyone is anonymous?", "I did skim the FAQ and it doesn't explain anything either. If the company can't explain what their product does, it's not a good product.\n\nAlso most of the \"current users\" of the protocol are obviously fake. My favorite is https://defytickets.com/, which gets blocked by modern browser for having an invalid SSL certificate. Yeah, security and encryption sure is important to these people.", "Sure you can copy things and make replicas, but you still don't own that actual asset when it comes time to sell it if you so choose. It's just like buying a fake Rolex instead of a real one. No matter what the fake one is still not real and won't hold the same value when you want to sell it. NFTs are more about the tech and ways we can use it, less about people owning stupid pixelized avatars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.", "In Opera, you could just open the cache folder in one tab, play a video in another tab, and refresh the cache folder until you find the file that was growing in size. Then, right click and save.", "Yeah, if I sell copies of an image, I still own the original image whether I'm selling physical copies or digital copies. The fundamental image no matter the medium is what copyright covers", "The fine art world is pretty silly, but in their defense, the prints and the original are going to have differences.\n\nNFTs are selling certificates of authenticity for originals that can't actually exist. Which is one heck of a good scam. Even the \"name a star\" guys don't have their scam down as well as that.", "Can you explain in more details? Aren't things like proof of stake decentralized arbitration mechanisms?", "A blockchain is an append-only database, no more no less. Like with any other database, you can code in whatever privileges, access controls, takesie-backsies, whatever you want. One of the selling points is that when anyone takes a privileged action to modify the database, you have a permanent auditable digital record that the database has been modified, a record of who modified it under what authority, and an unmodifiable history of all edits that have been made.", "Ticket sellers may not like that you resell their tickets. So I suppose that could be enforced somehow although I haven't heard of this sort of feature yet.", "I've disabled the overlay icon; most of the time I'm not using PiP so I find it a little annoying.\n\nInstead I use \"Watch in Picture-in-Picture\" from the context menu.", "Very true", "You can't just snap your fingers and have nodes running all over the world and millions of people participating in something. It's come a long way since 10 years ago. Here's a serious question. How would a world currency form without any government involvement? How long would it take to get everyone on board?", "The problem with the scenario you described is that it assumes someone buying something without actually buying the thing. I get that it would be possible if someone wanted to scam someone else, but that doesn't define nfts. It wouldn't be complicated to have a contract that clarifies that the purchase transfers the nft and also the rights to the artwork and the artwork itself.\n\nWhy do you think it is impossible to transfer ownership of the art?", "\"It's got a 28.8 bps modem!\"", "That's where big boy copyright laws come into play.", "> If you get banned you can still trade your skins\n\nIf Valve bans my specific skin, it can't be used in CS:GO. So why would anyone want to buy it from me at that point? \n\n> You could also buy/sell/trade skins without installing csgo or steam for that matter.\n\nThere's nothing inherent about NFTs that provides this property. Valve could create a website where you can sell and trade your skins, which are centrally hosted on their servers.\n\nNFT or no, the company still needs to build infrastructure to support it.", "What if an artist sells an NFT AFTER they create the work and someone else makes an NFT before they create the official NFT? Then the fake will look real", "Watch the video, buying an NFT doesn’t give you ownership of the artwork. It gives you a hyperlink that directs you to the artwork.", "\"Naming this star will cost 3 large oil spills and 2 dumps full of tires. Will you pay now or take a payment plan?\"", "I think you are talking about Eth, which is a proof of work Blockchain. Many proof of stake chains exist that use a fraction of eth's power.", "Damn, dude made a real version of 'right click and save'.", "If the artist has not made any announcements regarding it or if it doesn't come from an address I already know is associated with the artist then I would never buy it.", "Where am I handwaving any of this? \n\nI said \"it's a real problem, to be sure\" - verbatim. The point I'm making is that the problem is very nuanced and depends heavily on the geographic location of the mining and generation resources present, coupled with grid configuration. No where did I say this isn't an issue, at all.", "Sounds like people did the same thing with modern art (abstract art? I don't know but I hope you get what I mean)", "Well, not quite, if I understand correctly. Bitcoin miners etc are reversing certain partial hashing algorithms or similar, which is computationally expensive, whereas signing things is computationally cheap. \n\nBitcoin is not just distributed cryptography, it's distributed purposely expensive cryptography. What I'm saying is \"get a bunch of semi-trusted sources\", what bitcoin says is \"trust no one, and also light all the gpus on the planet on fire\". I'm sure flavorofthemonthcoin has a different method, but if it requires lots of machines chugging electricity \"mining things\", then it is much more expensive then having even a couple thousand machines sign something.", "They don't, at least not inherently", "Isn’t an art nft useful to the artist?", "> It's going to be profitable 10 years from now. But it still won't be a currency.\n\nI believe it will turn out to be an international payment network mostly for settling US Dollars. We're beginning to see that with the whole US Dollar stablecoin thing - even the fed is researching distributed ledger tech to maybe make their own blockchain-like payment rail. SWIFT kind of sucks, is outdated, hard to trace/audit, non-transparent fees, and money gets stuck at correspondent banks.\n\nIt might end up hosting sovereign currencies too, but like you I wouldn't put my money on it.", "so does the speed/capacity of transactions also depend on level of mining activity?\n\nDoes it take longer for transactions to go through if say number of transactions remains the same but level of mining deceases 90%", "> no one would confuse the original Mona Lisa with a picture of the Mona Lisa.\n\nBut what is the utility difference between the two?\n\n> The counterfeits don't have real value though and aren't seen as legitimate \n\nThat's the point of an nft from what I can see?\n\n> it is also illegal to reproduce images that you don't have the rights to\n\nAgain, this seems to be the point of an nft?\n\n> but it's illegal and if detected you'd go to prison\n\nDo you think this stops people? I think the answer is clearly no since you admit people do this.\n\n> NFTs don't have that protection\n\nWhy not? It is a contractual obligation. Why would that not be protected?\n\n> and has pokemon made more charizard cards? sure but the original \"first edition\" is what has the most value.\n\nThis is literally the reasoning for an nft having value. It is not actually different from other iterations, but it proves rare provenance. \n\n> NFTs DONT have anything to do with original image. It's just a hyperlink to where the image is supposed to be hosted.\n\nThey absolutely do. I get that someone else can try to link to the same image and use it. But that doesn't overcome the traceable provenance of the image.", "Useful as in \"creates value\" not useful as in \"tricks suckers into paying me money\"", "You buy from an official source…the artist who is selling them.", "Fuck it\nUn-non-fungibles your token", "Prior art laws kinda take care of that. If you publish an invention in a book and someone else patents it 2 years after, you're not screwed, you can go after them with your book as proof that the work was your's.\n\nSame for NFTs. If you can prove ownership through a trusted way (a reputable blockchain like Ethereum for example) then you can prove ownership.\n\nYou'll have to go to court, but you can still prove the thing is your's.", "Found the crypto bro. \n\nHow much of your retirement have you squandered on btc?", "Is it ironic that NFTs and crypto are valued in dollars?", "What happens if it's a smaller artist, someone like me for example (photography) who is completely unknown and has only sold a handful of images before, but sent hundreds of images to people or displayed hundreds online? There wouldn't be any good way to find what I've sold as NFTs unless you've combed through potentially years of my social media posts \n\nSomeone could have easily saved a copy of one of my photos and made an NFT out of it if they wanted to and there would be no way to every verify I didn't make it without asking me directly", "Oh, I'm not debating a bubble at all. I'm not necessarily supporting NFTs as a whole, though I do think certain projects have staying power due to their utility. I'm simply explaining what's going on in this market and my take on things. In my opinion, a sizable portion of this entire world can be described as a game of hot potato - who is going to be caught holding the bag?", "Well they don't really want to be a currency. It doesn't really make sense to use some super volatile asset as one.\n\nIn ethereum's case it's a crypto 'fuel' that is used to power this distributed computer. For bitcoin they now consider it a 'store of value' like gold.", "It's not proof of ownership because you don't own the image unless the copyright owner signed a contract saying you do", "Whether buying an nft transfers ownership of the artwork is entirely down to the contract that someone agrees to. It could go either way. If it doesn't transfer ownership, it is a scam. There is no reason that purchasing an nft can't transfer ownership of the art. That's literally what people are attempting to buy.", "> In NFTs it can be a little more risky. If you buy an artist that keeps printing more and more NFTs, their collection as a whole can lose value since there is always enough supply to meet demand. \n\nJesus christ dude, your literally describing a Deus Ex Machina, self fulfilling prophecy speculative bubble. \"This non existent thing is valuable because we throw enough money at it.\" IT DOESN'T EXIST. You own fucking nothing on paper in the eyes of the law. Even if this bubble doesn't \"pop\" outright, it is still funds funneled into useless bullshit that helps no single fucking person other than Person A, the NFT minter, or B, the person to also grifts the NFT to another person. It's a giant fucking Ponzy scheme.\n\nDO SOMETHING USEFUL WITH YOUR FUCKING MONEY.", "Well you can use nft's for the house deed case. You have a multisignature function that requires signatures from several authorities to change owernship in these cases. It's very doable. When it comes to tokens/smart contracts you can have methods to undo things, it's programmable.", "Torrents die, people move on. Also, who the hell torrents a single JPG?", "Also, you didn't answer what the \"normal\" way of transferring digital art was. What is it?", "My understanding is almost none of the NFT transactions you’re seeing actually transfers ownership. I have not looked up how many exactly tho, so I could be off.", "Blockchain != Proof of work. The blockchain is just a cryptographically secured distributed ledger. Which is what you were suggesting as a solution to the sale authenticity problem. The only thing blockchain adds on top of this is an incentivized consensus mechanism. In Bitcoin that's the energy intensive proof of work but there are other consensus mechanism out there that use an order of magnitude less resources.", "It's hosted on IPFS. It's not going anywhere.", "Hope your art is on here /u/LostPixels", "And permanent doxxing entries. They address all that in the interview.", "Well that is a sign of people being stupid, not that nfts have zero value. I don't doubt that nfts can be used in scammy ways, I just don't think that means nfts are on the whole useless.", "Obviously it's not that simple to make fake nfts... It's actually impossible to make a fake cryptopunk that people will not be able to figure out is real/fake. Because all real cryptopunks come from the same smart contract address. You can make fake versions of popular nfts all day but no one will buy them.", "CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR AND MEANS?? \n\nHow is this suddenly just viewed as common knowledge?? I've never heard of an NFT in my life.", "See I don't like this argument as someone who creates artworks. I'm not a super fan of people just saving all artists work without ever contributing to them, because artists as a whole make a whole lot less now than they used to. \n\nThat being said, someone could just save my image, make an NFT, and sell it, so NFTs don't solve that issue", "I mean it works if you buy it directly from the artist and they agree to continue to maintain their own ledger of which ones are legit forever. It’s just reduces to the holographic sticker on a certificate of authenticity, and not a particularly interesting one at that.", "A lot of people here are still debating whether NFT is a scam or not, while a lot of people in the space are already figuring out applications on how to utilize this technology. \n\nThe bigger picture shows that NFTs / digital assets in the Blockchain (whichever it is), can be used, supported and transacted even after a company stops supporting it. Proof of ownership can be inspected and agreed upon easily (durrhurr right click + save your jpeg).\n\nAnd by the way, not all NFTs are jpegs without utilities.\n\nNew blockchains try to solve the energy problems posed by the first ones. These \"scam NFTs\" definitely exist, but if people dismiss everything, they'll be stuck to whatever we have right now.\n\nBe open to technology and be critical to what you see. Try to learn and understand the bigger picture. Take acceptable risks in life. So many useful things in this space yet people dwell only to the bad stuff about it.\n\nIf people just stayed to where they are, it might be too late to keep up with the times.", "It is useful though, the money spent on NFTs help support your favorite artists/entertainers/streamers/youtubers. Its a much better way to support people than to just donate it as you can potentially profit off of it, and some people sell physical goods with the NFT so the first buyer of the NFT at least has something to commemorate their purchase.", ">Capitalism without regulation always degenerates into a monopoly\n\nCapitalism always degenerates into a monopoly.\n\nIt is currently a monopoly, despite the weak regulations that exist.\n\nIf you could create a system by which the public collectively owns and makes the rules perhaps that could lead to a fairer society.\n\nYou could even penalize the wealthy via public consensus.\n\nI'm not saying this is likely to happen.\n\nBut that is what developers of Web3 are striving for.", "NFTs don't denote copyright ownership for one. So if the goal is to determine copyright ownership, then it fails.\n\nIf I sell an NFT, I still own the copyright unless I transfer the copyright to someone else.", "Most likely you'd be torrenting the entire pack. Along with increasing interest in NFTs, this increases the chances that someone somewhere will have an archive of the missing asset.", "> what purpose does Bitcoin EVEN SERVE ANYMORE???\n\nI mean, you can buy it, the fed can't inflate it, you can hide it on a slip of paper in your ass, and when you don't want it anymore someone else will probably buy it from you over the internet. Yes it's stupid, but is it really that stupid if it works?\n\nThere's not a lot of great ways to hide high-value items up your ass nowadays. Bitcoin really fits in that niche.", "People buy original NFTS for a few reasons. Speculation - The collection or nft will get more popular and increase in value. Bragging rights - People will see your address has baller nfts. Sort of like a rolex in crypto.\n\nA lot of people are actually into the art/community of these projects and you typically need to own one to be involved in the deeper communities (verified discord channels, etc).\n\nA lot of it has been a tulip mania type of thing and many nfts will drop to being basically worthless. But some of them are truly interesting pieces of art and interesting collections. Especially the more interesting procedurally generated stuff.\n\nAnd to actually 'own' it you need to buy the nft. Ownership to everyone in the community comes down to what the blockchain says. Literally everyone who looks at an nft gets a copy of the picture saved in their temp files. No one cares if you have it.", "> People care enough to pay millions of dollars\n\nYou mean, people care enough to wash trade millions of dollars. Not the same thing.\n\n>There are tons of really shitty paintings worth millions of dollars\n\nActual physical objects that you can have physical ownership of.", "> Put it in a decentralized blockchain and it can't be withheld at their discretion.\n\nFor whom is this currently a burning problem that urgently needs to be solved? What percent of the population?", "Bitcoin will continue burning power. I personally don't buy bitcoin but as solar gets cheaper it can actually pay for solar as well.\n\nLike bitcoin farms are starting to run on solar a lot of the time. They're always built around the cheapest forms of power which are trending towards renewable. Remember you can't broadcast power all that far and some renewable sources create a ton of power that basically can't be used. Bitcoin mining can make sense in those places.", "Damn I miss slammers. My friend's and I would walk down random neighborhoods to find kids playing. Then we'd challenge them and it was like a real life Pokemon battle. It was straight up gambling for 10 year olds. It was great lol", "That issue is also not solved in reality by NFTs. This is talked about in the video. Most NFTs are not stored on the blockchain. They are stored somewhere else. This would be like if Steam stored all CSGO skins and then had a decentralized blockchain to recognize who has the right to use which skin.\n\nSteam can still choose to delete or alter the database of skins as they still own the actual skins. The NFT owners own the right to use a link to access some data in the Steam database.\n\nIn the Steam blockchain scenario this means that when users buy skin NFTs they're not just betting on the skins being more valuable. They're betting that Steam is ethical and will continue to exist as it does now. For Steam that's no biggie. Steam can probably ensure that for a long time. Still though, over time your NFT investment will theoretically lose value if it's not directly stored on the blockchain. \n\nMost NFTs are not backed by an ethical and secure actor. This means that in reality, when you buy an NFT there is no way to tell if the underlying asset (an image for example) is going to exist in a year. There is then basically no practical way for anyone in the blockchain to confirm that the underlying asset was what you bought a link to. You simply own a dead link. It could have led to anything before it died.", "Yes", "Well just like limited prints, the artist decides which ones count as original by declaring it so. There’s really no difference there between nft art and limited prints. It just boils down to a relatively uninteresting provenance tracking scheme, which are already present in the art world. At the end of the day it still relies on the artist maintaining a ledger of the nfts they’ve blessed as legit, so really it’s just an overly complicated certificate of authenticity scheme that doesn’t really bring anything interesting to the table to account from its significant downsides. \n \nI suppose once the artist no longer maintains a ledger, community consensus could form as to which ones are the real one? A lot of the expensive art that sells in the art world are paintings by people long dead, so… apparently we’ve already figured that one out.", "So people with a vested interest would be hosting these stupid jpgs/pngs? And you'd expect people with no vested interest to continue this chain? Are you drunk?", "Lots of on-chain art exists where the code is stored on the blockchain, and the output is determined by the initial transaction hash. So as long as the blockchain is running you can reproduce the art. Check out artblocks.io as an example. Here is an example contract from etherscan. \n\nhttps://etherscan.io/address/0x059edd72cd353df5106d2b9cc5ab83a52287ac3a#code", "Or C) money laundering", "The thing is that only the token is nonfungibl. As I’ve understood it, it’s like owning a painting. The image is just attached to the object, and you can prove you are the owner of the painting, but there is no real advantage to it and the painting is actually a weird drawing of an ape or some random pixels.", "I would be interested in seeing a robust solution for this. Something like automated reverse image search on the image sold to at least notice the buyer if the image is old. But to some extent I believe this issue is outside the scope of NFTs. The issue you are describing is identify/property theft and NFTs might make this slightly easier to do, but it is not a new problem. Not to say we don't need talented people thinking about this problem and finding solutions. I'm sure people disliked email more when we didn't have good spam filters.", "And the reddit posts that are sneaky advertisements for NFTs. Saw a /r/WoahDude post last week from a guy \"proud his art it on time squares\"\n\n\nYea it was just NFT shit. Looked awful too but sadly it was blindly up voted for the story", "I thought KONY 2012 created NFTs?", "It has to be the Powerglove™", "Sounds like the star registry.\n\nName a star for only $50", "If I want to give someone money and get something in return I'll either: invest in their company, or buy their merchandise. On one side I get tangible, legally actionable investment, on the other I get a clear money-to-goods exchange.", "You can just buy non-exclusive rights to an image without NFTs. I've literally sold that without using an NFT before", "Hey you know how hard it is to balance like 12 Call of Duty guns? Imagine developers balancing thousands of expanding NFT items. It's never happening dude.\n\n\nAlso love how NFT bros reinvented the Money Auction House from Diablo 3, but they're cool with it this time cause they own NFTs already", "I guess it could be, the problem is anyone could create a different NFT of their art.", ">So people with a vested interest would be hosting these stupid jpgs/pngs?\n\nDid you forget your own statement that the assets could be deleted from their original server at any time? The comment I replied to that you are now replying to? If they have a vested interest, nevermind that the actual interest is in the NFT, not necessarily the front-end image. But if they ARE interested, why wouldn't they participate in decentralization of the asset? \n\n\n>And you'd expect people with no vested interest to continue this chain?\n\nIsn't the original topic of this thread about a guy who thinks NFTs are a scam, ie no vested interest, creating a torrent of all of them and hosting it?", "That will sign a message a prove you authored that message, but how would you transfer that exact message to someone else, allowing them to take ownership of it?", "Huh, so copyright already covers this. There's an existing solution. Sounds like tech bros making up some shit to grift people. Almost like a bunch of tunnels only for cars.", "Society at some point decides that Artist A is the artist and therefore the NFTs they issue are the more valued ones as they come from the artist and not a fraudster. I can see this being an issue but you can copy art off-chain too with more ease.", "What about access rights, e.g. tickets or subscriptions.", "Gamestop could do it - for developers who are on board with the concept. Indie video game creators could do it through an NFT-based gaming platform. Or major companies could accept it. Likely they wouldn't unless it was in their interest, for example if the market for NFT gaming grew significantly (which it is doing right now).\n\nI know that this isn't in their 'interest'. But when it's in consumers' interests and smaller companies start catering to this interest, it will be in the big companies' interest soon enough. Five years ago could you have forseen the sheer number of major financial players accepting and operating with crypto as you are seeing today? This concept is not so far away as you think.", "They can have use for a way to authenticate things that are material, shoes, trading cards etc...", ">What happens when the owner does not pay their bill and gets evicted, how do you force transfer the NFT deed?\n\nYou create a smart contract and program it to transfer the NFT to another address if no payments have been made to the smart contract after x time. No central authority needed.", "I included IPFS in my comment for a reason - other decentralized storage solutions also exist. I'm not interested in spending an hour arguing points otherwise, go get your dopamine somewhere else", "Some consumers. Video game developers who do not want to pay a cut to for-profit companies to control access to their games.", ">If you could create a system by which the public collectively owns and makes the rules perhaps that could lead to a fairer society.\n\nThat's called democracy.\n\n>You could even penalize the wealthy via public consensus.\n\nThat's called progressive taxation.\n\n>But that is what developers of Web3 are striving for.\n\nIncorrect. The developers of the bullshit I refuse to call \"Web3\" are striving for a crypto-anarchist anarcho-capitalist system.\n\nThe Cypherpunks have been around for a long time, possibly longer than you've been alive. I used to go to the meetings, when they were first starting out. \n\nWhich is why I can absolutely positively assure you that it is a crock of shit. Not because the cypherpunk-types have bad intentions, but because anarcho-capitalism is a flawed philosophy and completely unworkable.\n\nCase in point, the crypto-anarchists are winning right now. Bitcoin is succeeding. Cryptocurrency has become mainstream.\n\nThe end result of that is environmental devastation and the world's largest ponzi scheme, matched with unfettered cybercrime and endless pump and dump schemes.\n\nOh, and I can't get a new modern video card for less than $3,000. Thanks mostly to the success of cryptocurrency.\n\nMore success for cryptocurrencies won't make things better. It'll just keep making things worse. Because anarcho-capitalism is a bankrupt political philosophy that always makes things worse, never better.", "You can read the tokens previous owners on the blockchain and trace it back to the source origination. If it’s a fake you’ll trace it back and see the token comes from an inauthentic source.", "What if I created the hyperlink?", "That’s why you draw the file directly on a canvas element. Will the performance issues cause the page to never render, probably, but you can’t copy the image if it never renders", "I’ve got a really cool bridge in San Francisco that I’m selling, interested?", ">Sure, if you like the look of it you can simply copy it and make it your avatar. But making it your avatar doesn't mean it's yours - as you can't actually sell/get paid for it. \n\nOnly idiots spend money on their avatar or a fucking JPEG", "My wife nags me about watermarking [my photos](https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalantech/), but I tell her exactly what you said. Besides having a recognizable photography style is the best watermark.", "You do, in order to make the code valuable in of itself. Right now, it's only valuable so long as the company maintaining the code permits you to use it to access the game. It's about decentralization, like most of crypto.", "Clearly a very serious technological impairment", "When would that be necessary? I figure, if you can't differentiate between the original and the copy, the value of the original is likely overstated.", "That's great and all though they're the same use cases touted when Blockchain first hit the scene. Not to say none of those applications haven't been realised but I feel it's a bit of \"this changes everything, again!\"", "Basically it's just for people to show off the money they have. Or to launder money.", "4chan is that you!?!", "You misunderstood. If they ban your account you could still sell your skins. Not that they banned the skin", ">at some point you're going to have to trust someone.\n\nTrusting central points of authority versus personally verifying information that is made publicly available via blockchain are 2 very different things.\n\nI know that when i interact with a smart contract, that i can personally verify what it does and so can everyone with an internet connection.\n\nTaking power away from organisations that have an incentive to deceive you is a good thing. E.g. centralized finance.", "They aren’t inherently useless, but people haven’t found a valuable use for them yet lol.", "Shoehorning something incredibly complex in order to solve a niche problem. Sounds great", "There has also been a ton of people taking art they haven’t created and selling them as NFT’s. To the point that opensea had to try and put safeguards in to stop this (it still happens). NFT’s are just a huge pyramid scheme, but I’m guessing you’re just hoping to be in early enough to dump them on the next rube.", "This very thing was a real problem for teenage viewers of porn on family computers in the early 00's.", "[Come here just to find out see this](https://youtu.be/XdnYTlOdwX4)", "The deed system wouldn’t need to be used for ownership, but an interoperable primitive to build upon or to declare ownership of.\n\nMultiple municipalities could publish their land records and register ownership changes to a common standard in a custodial way, albeit without having trust with one another.", "So this page is a art in new digital era meaning. So I can sell NFT of it?", "No, you're the one who misunderstood. My point is that the company would still have the power to ban my NFTs, just like they now have the power to take away my skins or ban my account. NFTs do not solve this problem.", "Yes, you can get a group of experts (hopefully they are unbiased) to give their blessing of authenticity. Still not 100% guaranteed. With an nft you (or anyone) can trace the authenticity yourself.", "Not to mention the sheer amount of electricity all of this is using. At least with the \"name a star\" kind of thing you're not participating by indirectly dumping a ton of CO2 to the atmosphere.", "You can trust the backend made by the game developer as much as you trust the game itself. The blockchain provides functionality to that backend that would otherwise not be possible without an intermediary third party company.", "NFT are literally money laundering and scummy self-promotional tools", "Unsure if you intended to trigger all the cryptoid~~iot~~s, but I'm having a wonderful morning reading their responses to you. Thanks for making my day!", "HACK THE PLANET!!!!", "While it is not exactly the same thing, I am curious about what you think about something like https://poap.xyz ? They prove attendance at an event, are provided for free to collectors and issuers, and can be claimed by email or by blockchain address. They are a bit like a digital concert ticket but has its own ecosystem surrounding gamification, has a community backing (that will hopefully support long term use), and is just a free novelty (to escape the trap of 'valuable jpeg).", "Running around on a field trying to catch rodents and insects in plastic balls in order to fight people with is a total hobo move.", "No benefit?\n\n-\tI make a piece of art that goes against Kickstarters TOS.\n-\tI live in a country not covered by their service.\n-\tI don’t agree to their privacy policy and usage of my data.\n-\tThey choose to disable my account.\n\nThis view makes no sense to me… why would I choose to trust Kickstarter and hand them over all my data, with the hope they pay me out as they say they will?", "yeah but it’s the authenticity of a piece of code which can be duplicated ad nauseum by people with very rudimentary knowledge", "I’ve got some nice NFTs from artists that I like. Laugh all you want but I supported their work and I like having them in my wallet.\n\nI don’t laugh at people who don’t like crypto.", "It's scalable. On proof of work, too. You'll see", "Dude, instead of desperately arguing just sell your NFTs while you can and get out.", "That's primarily how many artists advertise their skills and get jobs, though. You don't throw away your entire livelihood just because a few assholes take advantage of your work.", "Please explain how a deed for a home is better served by an NFT", "Its like TOR. Everyone is paying for their own systems and the IPFS distributes it.", "If no one cares then why are people buying them?\n\nIt’s not money laundering, plenty of public figures and sports stats have them.\n\nYou don’t care about a random jpeg of an ape and that’s fine, some people do care.", "The reason is because it's a speculative asset that can potentially make a lot of money...?\n\nCompanies and even people in general just follow where the money is. Not everyone cares whether the thing is substantial or not.", "Why do you think they have value?", "Ticketing", "Absolutely! Any part on particular?", "Central authority never controls ownership, only registration of ownership. The blockchain means you wouldn't need to pay a lawyer for a title search, your deed isn't locked behind a data solo only accessible between 8 and 4, Monday to Friday. You can see if there are liens against something you want to buy directly on the chain, it's sale history to see if anything shady is going on? All without having to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to 'professionals ' who profit immensely from these legacy systems. \n\nSelling an nft license or vote on a publicly auditable chain would be the dumbest thing you could do. You're going to leave permanent proof of an illegal activity in the public domain for all time? Lol", "NFT bros will be like \"no no, it's not a pump and dump, I just want to pump up the price of my artificially scarce resource and then dump it on someone, and this process will repeat until someone is left holding the bag as the bubble bursts!\"", "You like making line go up for absolutely no benefit to anyone at the expense of the environment?", "Huh?", "This is exactly how I feel. It’s such a neat technology. Why did artificially scarce tradeable art commodities become the killer app?", "> A lot of people here are still debating whether NFT is a scam or not, while a lot of people in the space are already figuring out applications on how to utilize this technology. \n\nNFT in its present form is a scam, and there's nothing wrong about saying it out loud. It doesn't stop other people from figuring out if it can be utilized in any meaningful way. Until then, it's simply bullshit to scam idiots.", "It doesn't, though, because birth parties can choose their arbitration voluntarily before they engage in something on the chain, and that can be proven on the chain. \n\nThe whole decentralization narrative needs to die. It's not about decentralization, it's about mitigating arbitrary third party risks and using more open information systems.", "People people people, when will everyone understand that NFTs are not valuable because of the imagery but because they’re community access tokens?\n\nCryptopunks and Bored Apes are valuable because people want to be apart of their community and an NFT provides the most transparent and global mechanism for doing so.\n\nIt’s simply new forms of cultural institutions and brands being owned by communities. Duplicating the image is worthless and pointless because it’s not tied to the underlying token which acts as the access and verification of ownership.\n\nHope that helps!", "Different example. Think about Minecraft skins. Anyone can make those. If a system was implemented where the .jar would accept NFTs on a given chain as skins, this could be a good deal for skin creators. \n\nThey sell their art to people for money and have a system baked into the token where every time that skin gets resold, a small percentage of the sale gets directed to the artist as a royalty. \n\nAs it is, people are creating and distributing those skins for free. Why not try out a system where those people providing us with entertainment value (however small) get something back for their effort?", "> Millions of tons of CO2 production for energy for unnecessary computation and a buzzword.\n\nI really can't believe I'm paying two dollars per liter gas \"for the environment\" while that scam is still legal and operating.", "That's MISTER CHAOS to you.", "They are, for now. Because everything is about speculation nowadays. But Proof of ownership has a wide variety of use. It's just the beginning.", "Good vid", "I understand this goes well beyond NFTs, but you said that you would just look for the earliest NFT and I provided a very possible scenario where that would be worthless. NFTs aren't really more useful as they currently stand than existing mechanisms already are", "The governor of Missouri is a fucking idiot. (I realize this might not be a shock to you.)", "But if we trust the organizer to do the verifying when letting people into the venue, what's the point of putting it on a decentralized blockchain in the first place? Just have the organizer run a database and save all the hassle and cost of a blockchain.", "It’s not money laundering to scam idiots for buying the jpegs. Its money laundering if you use illegal money to buy a jpeg then sell it… but crypto already does that step for you", "Because most of the uses currently are for those shitty jpegs. It has some real uses, but currently they're not the main use of the tech, or there already exists a conventional solution that is also simpler. It's kind of smokescreens and mirrors to deflect criticism of current NFT scene with \"it has uses\". NFT tech can have uses but you can also criticize the way it's currently being used.", "Also no one is making any of the big game publishers create NFT asset ingestion pipelines. They’ll probably keep everything in-house, like what EA is doing. \n\nIt’s better to think of this as a neat tool developers have in their kit if they want to create that kind of experience. Like an indie dev who might sell weapons or something as NFTs to bootstrap their game. They could also then provide an asset kit (the same way indie game developers already use asset kits to cut down on production time/effort to let other artists implement those on-chain items in their games. \n\nIt’s not a silver bullet. And not everything ever has to be interoperable like the Oasis I’m Ready Player One.\n\nJust a neat tool developers can use to make neat experiences for players if they want.", ">People stopped adding 'currency' because it's become more than that ...it became DIVINE! All hail Kri' ptáh The Devourer of Electricity!\n\nFtfy", "Historical value or sentiment is what gives baseball cards their worth, most baseball cards are worthless. It remains to be seen whether NFTs can garner the same historic value or sentiment as a physical items in the long run.", "I'm not sure what the key was actually for, but on our work keyboards there used to be a key that acted like a right click. But it must have been different to an actual right click because it was never blocked by those JavaScript blockers.", "Well if the NFTs are on-chain they couldn’t just take them away from you. They could remove that asset from their game, but another developer could build a similar asset in another game and allow you to use it since you have that NFT tied to your wallet.\n\nSo if a publisher went and pissed off a player base, another publisher could add assets tied to those NFTs into their existing game in a bid to entice the player base to shift over. \n\nLike how all the Digg users upped and moved to Reddit all those years ago. And how people think Reddit users might jump somewhere else after the IPO. \n\nWouldn’t it be neat to carry over our karma with us?", "How does it not require consensus?", "Pump $ZILLA", "My critique is the results of cryptocurrency's success. If cryptocurrency is such a great thing, then why does it have so many bad outcomes?\n\n* More pump and dump schemes than we've ever seen in the history. Pump and dumps routinely and proudly advertised on billboards everywhere, with no repercussions for the scammers.\n\n* Daily reports of epic-sized hacks of both cryptocurrency users and exchanges, with often the only recourse being to whine to the hackers and beg for the \"money\" back.\n\n* A virtual crime spree of other types of cyber-crime, thanks to the ease of protection payment provided by cryptocurrency. The internet has a mafia. Everyone with a significant server has to pay up or get wacked. When they get wacked, it takes down vital real world services, including hospitals and pipelines.\n\n* Tether, the single largest counterfeiting operation the planet has ever seen. Or perhaps the single largest Ponzi scheme, depending on how you want to frame it. (and most other stablecoins, including USDC and BUSD, are almost as bad.)\n\n* An acceleration to climate change and spiraling energy costs because of the absurd electricity and cooling costs of the intentionally inefficient blockchain algorithms.\n\n* Fucking video cards will never, ever be cheaper again. Never. Not so long as their primary users are crytocurrrency miners. ETH has been saying they are moving to PoS for years. It never happens, but if it does, the miners will just move over to shit alt-coins instead.", "A scam in its present form. That’s the take away here.", "Also that anyone can send anything to your wallet, including using it to dox you, and you can't remove it (from the blockchain).", "So it sounds like it was initially meant to be a way to sell digital art as if it was physical art? A way to have a single identifiable owner that can resell it?\n\nWas the blockchain really required? Isn't the incorporation of it the reason that anyone can access the link to the image or something?\n\nLike I can imagine other ways to individually own digital art. Maybe while selling it, it's at a lower resolution, or maybe watermarked or stuff like that. And a record of sales by the selling website should be able to prevent the artist from selling the same piece ad infinitum.\n\nI don't rrly get NFTs lmao.", "Wow the ignorance here is extraordinary. This video only makes people who don't really understand NFTs feel smug. The NFT technology is not about artwork or even owning artwork. It was designed to help record ownership and that doesn't need to have anything to do with art. Also most of what people use art NFTs for are to be members of groups of owners and network. Downloading all these pictures does not allow you to validate your ownership of an NFT. You can only do that with a blockchain signature using your private key. No on in the NFT community or early adopters of NFTs is threatened by this. It just makes the creator of this site look like a fool.\n\n\\Edit: Dang look at that I have a total that is negative. I guess I'll change my mind about something that is absolutely technically correct... /s", "That's what an nft is.", "Primary potential useful application is software ownership keys.\n\nFor example, a NFT associated with a specific physical copy of a DVD that lets you download/play that movie on your computer; or a license that you purchase, and could sell to a different person if you don't want that particular software any more.\n\nYou'd never convince publishers to actually do it though, since it would support reselling, and they HATE that.", "But, you can prove you purchased the NFT. That's the important part.", "People do something very similar now, it's called stealing assets and no serious developers would do it (or get away with it).", "If it involves the \"blockchain\", it's a scam. That has never not been true, and it's only exemplified more with this NFT debacle.", "You can prove who released the NFT so you can prove if the NFT came from a legitimate source. That would be easy to use in a court of law.", "You can say neat all you want, it doesn't magically make it neat.", "But then the problem becomes: Who owns the servers that host those timestamped records, and do I trust them? A blockchain with proof of work etc solves that problem.", "But what you’re describing is what a lot of people take issue with about NFTs. It’s a solution that’s looking for a problem. I’ve yet to see a problem that NFT’s are solving that we don’t already have a solution for. \n\nBut NFTs sure do seem like a great way to make people use the underlying cryptocurrency, inflating the price of it and therefor the asset it’s associated with. Hence the accusations of a pyramid scheme. It’s like everyone is just making a million excuses because they can’t just say “I want the price of the thing to go up so I can sell it for more.”", "Then don’t play games that implement NFTs? I don’t know what to tell you. Lol", "I'm really unknown and do it as a hobby. Anyone that actually cares could easily purchase it from me directly without needing for me to host a website into perpetuity", "The technology is fantastic. At the moment it's being blown out by hype douchebags", "> They could remove that asset from their game, but another developer could build a similar asset in another game and allow you to use it since you have that NFT tied to your wallet.\n\nThere are a lot of things to digest here:\n\n1. _Why_ would another developer even want to do that? \n2. In order for the skin the value, the other developer would actually have to build a fun and engaging game with an active playerbase. That's a lot of work just to bypass the skin ban.\n3. Even accounting for the previous 2 questions, an NFT instance would still be intrinsically less valuable if a major game decided to ban it.", "> Nobody else can issue a digital copy of those comics. Yes, there are jpegs and torrents on the Internet but they are not the real deal.\n\nI'm sorry but this sounds strange. I p&%$te shit all the time. Everything I download is the real deal. I'm not interested in any comics, but if i were, why would i care whose name went on the blockchain? Marvel wouldn't get a single cent from me either way! It sounds to me like buying a plot of land on the Moon.", "> make a profit.\n\nScam someone for more money than you got scammed for yourself.", "The valuable part is that you can prove who all the owners are and where it came from.", "> worthless\nThat about sums it up.", "Have you ever heard about a neat little tool called relational database? Basically it allows developers to add neat support for persistent data across player sessions. It's not a silver bullet that solves all use-cases, but it's a neat tool in a game developer's arsenal that allows them to create neat experiences for players who like persistence.", "I've never realized how freaky bees looked. Their fuzziness made them kind of cute but man, those black, lifeless eyes.", "Thats cool and all, but you don’t get to decide how an artist makes their money. If the artist sees value in using NFT then thats all that really matters. Anything to diversify their income is great because ad revenue alone is not a sustainable way to earn money.", "Certain artists will use official addresses and release art from the same addresses all the time. Also most of the time the first person who releases the art is the artist especially in the case of digital art and it's easy to see what NFT was created first.", "No need to be heart broken because I voluntarily paid an artist for art that I enjoy :) It is a great use case for NFTs. I agree many more use cases will will be developed in the future.", "Doesn’t even have to be the same type of weapon or skin or whatever. \n\nThey could just say “Sucks that the FPS got shut down. But if you come to our fantasy RPG, we’ll give you access to different wands or spells depending on what tokens you carry over!”\n\nAll the NFT is is a unique piece of data tied to a wallet. Even though it might point to an MP40 asset, the RPG devs can query your wallet to see if you have a token that points to that weapon, and if you do -> give you access to a specific weapon in their own game. \n\nNot at a game level, but I’m already seeing things like this happen in smaller online communities when a project gets rugged. Organizers will be all “Damn, that sucks! Sorry that happened, but if you come join our community we’ll swap out that dead token you paid for with something from our own collection.”\n\nGets people back in the fold, makes them feel a little better about the lost money, and introduces them to a community that’s actually active and growing.", "Are you talking about content.IE5? I remember that as the hidden trashfire one that NEVER got emptied out so had a tendency to fill up to overflowing and also catch all the rogue .exe files that shouldn't exist on a system. So bad.", "Depends on the art/associated project and the rights. Some do allow that. Some act more like a club membership ticket, with other benefits for being in that “club”.", "IIRC A group in the Netherlands actually built a fairly useful \"blockchain-based\" rural healthcare system; the entire blockchain part is just one server mining away for the entire network. Couldn't you just rip it out and put say Postgres in in its place? Absolutely, per the creators, but saying you're doing a buzzword bullshit and about to turn this village into the capital of crypto innovation is about the only way you could trick politicians into funding vital infrastructure that's also just not that interesting.", "It is established in the real world which identities own and release NFTs from which addresses so it's easy to tell when an artist releases more art through their official address. No one else can.", "Near the end he gets into why NFT's and blockchain as whole is a bad idea. It's all public and traceable to individuals. \n\nIt's not a good technology if you value privacy.", "Ok whats the point of cryptocurrency anyway?\n\nWhat purpose it is serving, or supposed to serve? It sure as hell cant be used for currency because its value fluctuates way too much for that, something government backed currencies do not suffer from.\n\nIs it just a glorified stocks? But investing heavily into only one is just gambling.", "So is your argument that because it takes more effort to make a fake physical artwork, the authenticity is not important?", "Glad I'm far away from Missouri then. I feel like my webdev job would be notably more difficult if inspect element was illegal", "You are ptretending like game communities of all types don’t have rabid kidding communities that constantly make indenpendent versions of the same game. \n\nAll it takes is one dude who knows how to code to resurrect the aforementioned NFT.", "Have no idea why you were upvoted more than the comment above you.\n\nValue in the terms that are important to this discussion (blockchain) requires consensus. \n\nIf no one wants to buy the birthday card from your grandma that you’re selling, it has no value. Doesn’t matter if it has value “to you”. If no one wants to use the currency you printed in your basement, it has no value, even if it’s made out of the same materials and design as a popular currency.\n\nI don’t care that gold has “value” as a semiconductor. In terms of economic value, we measure it as what it can be traded for. If no one wants it - it has no value.", "That sounds interesting. Can you elaborate? Got any links I could read up on this?", "I touched on these points in this other comment:\n\nhttps://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlnq8b/_/hpj7llk/?context=1\n\nIt doesn’t have to be a wholly new game. They can just add support for those tokens to give access to weapons/spells/skins/whatever in an existing game. Makes those players from the other game feel better about losing out on money spent and the goodwill could go a long way in making them an active part of your game or community.\n\nLike I said in the other comment, I’ve already started seeing this happen.", "He seems like a complete imbecile.", "It’s can’t be, because to create an NFT, there’s no requirement to confirm the legal ownership. That’s precisely why it’s full of scam.\n\nTo create NFT you don’t need to prove anything but to take it down - it’s a whole legal procedure.\n\nSo in short - NFT doesn’t prove anything. It could be originally created object, as well as a stolen one.", "The government has already stated they have no plans to ban other currencies.", "> Society at some point decides that Artist A is the artist and therefore the NFTs they issue are the more valued ones as they come from the artist and not a fraudster.\n\nNot gonna lie, that sounds awful* and in no way realizes the promises of a \"trust free\" system having inherent design features assuring genuine goods.\n\n> I can see this being an issue but you can copy art off-chain too with more ease.\n\nIt's such an issue currently I remain pretty skeptical it won't end in tears.", ">10 years is an extremely relatively short time for a piece of technology with the potential of this\n\nSo if its been 10 years and it has lots of potential surely you can give us some ideas about what those \"potentials\" are? \n\nYou cant say currency cuz its value fluctuates too much for that.", "So I can just pirate the NFT of Jack Dorsey's first tweet that went for like $3 million? lol NFTs are some smooth brain stuff.", "That's like saying \"What good is the Cloud if it's just someone else's regular server?\". It's a buzzword to get people that don't know better to hand over their real money.\n\nSpeaking of which: I have a 1/1 NFT of the Brooklyn Bridge to sell, if you're interested.", "No, they can’t. I collect Magic the Gathering cards and old cards that are guaranteed not to be reprinted by the company that makes them (these cards belong to the reserve list, meaning they have promised not to create any more) aren’t perfectly reproducible. We know the card stock used by the different print runs, the shape of the cards, the ink patterns on the cards, the color of the interior cardboard, the look of light shown through a jewelers loupe. It’s basically impossible to get it all perfect, at least with current technology. \n\nYou aren’t getting a perfect copy Alpha Black Lotus or a Babe Ruth rookie card. You can get a second NFT pointing to the same image because an NFT is just a pointer.", "It’s not true of all NFTs. It depends on the artist. Just like regular art world, where some artists sell with restrictive rights and some with open rights.", "Hawaii 2 electric boogaloo?", "Like having an nft produce a utility token in a liquidity pool funded by million dollar investors providing daily income. Or giving you access to public events by verifying you own a token through your wallet.", "It was the best of times, [it was the blurst of times](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uYhIiW6lok)", "Some of those fellers look so upset to be covered in pollen", "I feel like you’re trying to make a point here, but I’m missing it. \n\nYou’re right. Relational databases have powered a gd LOT of technology. Very powerful tool. \n\nAll the blockchain is is a public database. And your wallet is just a global user table. \n\nIf you buy a token from say Halo and add it to your wallet, it’s basically just an insert. But instead of that insert happening in a 343 controlled database without any data portability, it happens in a public wallet. You can use that wallet to log in other places.\n\nYou could log into a Halo fan site or something and they’d be able to see you bought that rad rainbow colored energy sword and give you a flair on your username.\n\nLike at the base level, that’s ALL this is.", "Not even true. There’s a myriad of use cases. See bittensor.", "You could sell an original painting and still retain the rights as the artist to make and sell prints, derivatives, etc. It’s not that different.", "Instagram for example does that. Hides the images behind a layer so technically the image isn't clickable. \n\nBut luckily, the image is automatically downloaded as you load the page, otherwise you couldn't view it. Browsers are little more than fancy file viewers connected to the internet so if it's on screen, you can view it. Some people have already detailed their methods before, Dev tools work differently on Chrome than they do on Firefox, personally on Firefox i like Opening Dev tools and going to the Selector, then selecting the image and choosing \"Copy Image-Date URL.\" Which copies the link to the Temp Storage on your computer, not the one hosted on the internet", "The problem is that your art is then being taken down from a platform because some guy decided to sell your art illegaly", "Coffezilla is great and this was very interesting. I’ve not been convinced about NFTs since their launch and the whole thing just screams scam. Expect it’ll blow up in epic form next year.", "You could be reported for copyright infringement. Or it could be totally fine. Just depends on the artist. But if your copy sells for $200 then the original is going to be worth more, and that’s traceable and verifiable.", "Yea but trade requires consensus.", "Or take your phone and take a picture! Extreme measures for when you need something but don't care about the quality.", "Yet you still argue. IPFS is not really that relevant in the current space of NFTs. If/when it does become mainstream in NFTs it's possible that some problems will be solved.", "Buy it from a trusted vendor with a database?", "they plant a tree which is nice", "I only see nft viable with video games and digital albums. You can sell your decryption key to use their game or music... Otherwise, it's dumb", "This could be done already, steam inventories can be made public.\n\nIt's not a clever use case for NFTs, it's a weird thing that game devs have no incentive to do. Or perhaps even actively don't want to do.", "You typed \"Hamburger\"", "Solution in search of a problem.", "Owning the NFT does not necessarily mean that you own the copyright to the image. You just own a hyperlink to where the image is being hosted.", "> Makes those players from the other game feel better about losing out on money spent and the goodwill could go a long way in making them an active part of your game or community\n\nIt's a nice sentiment, but the skin will still be worthless if it can't be used in the game it's intended for. Since nobody would buy it, I can only imagine that the purpose is to make the player feel less bad about having lost it... in which case I dunno, just print it and frame it on your wall or something? Or go to a therapist.", "So very, very, much so.", "Yes the onus is on the purchaser to understand what they are purchasing and from what source. \nIf an artist steals someone’s work and calls it their own that’s a bad actor. I don’t think that negates the benefits of verifiable ownership though.", "> You could log into a Halo fan site or something and they’d be able to see you bought that rad rainbow colored energy sword and give you a flair on your username.\n\nYou could also do that without NFTs with a simple API provided by the game company.", "It's happened with a ton of things. It's happening with [vintage video games](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A) right now. \n^() \n^((No, I don't know why I decided to type vintage instead of retro. But I like how it sounds, so I kept it.)^)", "You are really grasping at whatever you can to make NFT's happen. It's not gonna happen. You're literally depending on pity in this scenario to retain any value of the NFT... Which is fucking stupid. Why would anyone need an NFT to have someone else build something for them?", "If the devs don’t want to then they don’t have to. That’s what I’ve been trying to say.\n\nAnd I’m out of the loop on Steam inventories. Can games exclusively on the Epic store make use of that?", ">IPFS is not really that relevant in the current space of NFTs.\n\nI think that's an insane claim to make, but have a good day buddy", "I'm something of a hacker myself", "Accidentally?", "Is that why artists having a REALLY hard time taking down the NFTs made on their stolen art?\n\nBecause the platforms protect the art thieves and pretty much ignore the artists unless there’s a huge online outrage, calling out the platform, as it just recently happened with OpenSea (that initially tried to simply ignore the artists and even closed the complaint form, instead of dealing with the copyright infringement).", "I get it.\n\nI’m just saying it’s a nice and cheap thing to do that might bring more players to your studio’s game. If I spent $100 on weapons and stuff and the game shut down, but another game gave me some utilities for those tokens, I’d at least check it out. You know?\n\nIt’s better than just being out the $100 and having to eat it.", "All of it! what is SSO and why would you how does NFT fit into it?", "They could, but it would be a duplicate and not an original. And once they’re outed as a fraudster their duplicates will probably not be valued as highly as the original.", "The expert would say there is only one Picasso that was painted by him. The others are copies, but not the same when examining the paint, canvas, etc. There are even ways to see the effects of many years of oxygen degrading the original. There is a tangible difference. They are actually different paintings. \n\nIf I save an image that an NFT is pointing to, it’s the same down to the bit level. It’s the same image. Files are not the same as a tangible, real life object. Hence why NFTs point to the URL holding the image. So please explain why artificial scarcity of a pointer to a URL is revolutionary. Or is it more likely that it’s another way to raise the price of the underlying cryptocurrency? Which do you think is more likely?", "Axie Infinity is one.\nPlay to earn model.\n\nWhat's the point?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/b0ke9gzHvHk", "The same way they could with NFTs. Since all you're doing is read something put there by a third party, and interpreting it however you decide.\n\nWebsites that aren't even games can do things based on your steam inventory.", "I've been in tech for 10 years, still don't see the point. It's a roll that has come into the spotlight, but no one has a great case example of optimal use. It's like VR, came out, lack of anything interesting, fell off, and now it's trickling back. Same might happen with NFTs and crypto, or it might not and it'll go way of segways/other fad tech.", "Blockchain is useful for a fuckload of things. It's an active decentralized ledger. It is an open and free public record that allows for accurate ownership and transfer of data, funds, services etc unless something is done in private in which there is still a record of aspects of it. Large corps like Home Depot are using it for their supply chain and infrastructure, storing and transferring data through it. Law firms are using it to store legal documents. etc. It's a decentralized data library essentially. \n\nThe amount of things that can be done with block chain tech is insane in teh right hands, dangerous in the wrong hands. What people that are actually into the technolog yare doing now is investing in emerging tech. Cryptocurrency got people's foot in the door. It gave a proof of concept that allowed them to see the potential through a couple successful examples. Now what we're seeing is investment in different Crypto technologies that utilize the Block Chain at the core of their function. There's too much for me to explain I have a cursory knowledge. If you literally just google Block Chain or \"what is blockchain used for besides crypto\" you'll find A TON of information. It's not just about decentralized currency. It's about decentralized technology and data.", "Let’s say they gave them a numbered metal collectible pin instead. You think that would have value in 15 years? Now just make it digital.", "I cannot get my head around NFTs. I draw a picture and put it online. Someone pays a fortune to get a digital certificate to say they own it but anyone can just copy the picture and distribute it as freely as with any other image online. So aside from it being used as a proof of ownership in a copyright claim maybe, what exactly is the damn point?", "I think the thing that still gets me though is that say you're buying an original Picasso piece then you are buying that original Picasso piece. An NFT isn't really the original piece itself it's a certificate of ownership that's been tied to that piece. With ownership of the Picasso piece that also gives me a lot of different rights to that piece. Also there are many tests of authenticity that could be done. There are many unreproducable qualities to that original like the uniqueness of the brushstrokes, the age of the pigments in the paint or the wood of its frame, etc. These things are intrinsic to that things nature as a physical item. With digital art and NFTs the NFT is the only quality that can exist, and it isn't really as related to the art itself. \n\nTo me it seemst like having a certificate that says I own the specific Mona Lisa in the Louvre but I have no rights associated with that ownership other than the ability to display my certificate and transfer that certificate to someone else. I appreciate the need an NFT is trying to fill for digital art ownership but it really feels like just a simulacrum of ownership", "Is your ownership of the NFT tied to your cryptocurrency wallet or is it tied to your open sea account for example?", "There’s a lot of bad actors because the system is bad and allows for bad actors to make a profit. Also the ease of selling these NFTs to multiple wallets to artificially inflate the price. This is impossible to prove with a decentralized platform.", "Absolutely not.\n\nPhysical objects have the value of the utility. Like food, clothing, movable or immovable property, electronic devices, etc.\n\nHell, even digital objects like music, movies and games have the utility, which is entertainment.\n\nNFT has 0 utility.", "NFTs currently are useless but that's not to say it can't change. Some institutions are handing out diplomas and also providing proof on the Blockchain for records. This can verify graduation date and if it's held by the Uni can be confirmed by anyone who wishes to do so. Same for marriage certs as well where they are sometimes handed out as NFTs.\n\nReally skys the limit but adoption is low so it's hustlers and saps that are getting into it rn. With greater adoption it will be more useful however that doesn't mean JPGs as NFTs will increase in value ever", "And when you buy a poster you don't actually own the art, just a reproduction of it. What is your point?", "They're all the same thing", "Feds cant inflate it, but instead we just artificially inflate it ourselves because that's the only purpose it has.\n\nLike- hey go nuts, I'm not shaming you, if I didn't have a spree of shit luck I'd hop on it too. Make money to make money, life's a bitch, get your bread. All I'm saying is that I'm tired of it being treated like some divine future tech that's revolutionizing the world when fundamentally, all we've created is a big pit in the metaphorical floor, that we alllll throw money into, in the hopes that we yank more dollars out than we started with. \n\nYes said money pit runs on insanely advanced hardware, and exists via very smart economic theories, things we can all pay ourselves on the back for understanding. But when it functions 90% on luck, and 10% on feeling out the vibes for when others may begin yanking out their money, you gotta accept it's nothing but a gamble.", "This seems overly complicated when you can just transfer cryptos no?", "Eh say what you will about the others but the minister one is legit my buddy actually legally does weddings multiple times a year thanks to that lol the state of Indiana recognizes it as a legal minestry liscence 😂", "See this.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/b0ke9gzHvHk\n\nOne use of NFT. Yes, it is an NFT.\n\nHelped a lot of people in low income countries survive the pandemic when you cannot work outside your home.", "Well no. If the real artist rolls up with an NFT after NFTs have already been made and sold, theirs will just seem like another copy and not many people will be interested because it's not the first copy. \n\nThat artist would need to communicate and advertise to NFT buyers that theirs is the real NFT and that the others that were minted before were fake (despite being identical). If buyers don't actually care about the art or artists (which it seems like they don't) then the artist is fucked. \n\nLike you propose, the artist would have to make a new piece of art (by signing the existing art) and put that up on NFT sites (plural, because bots will just scrape it and put it up on the ones the artist misses) before uploading it in more public art spaces on the internet or sharing it on social media. It doesn't fix the issue at all.", "Blockchain seems like a needlessly complicated solution to the problem in this case, especially since it doesn't actually solve the underlying problem. NFT or no, users are still at the mercy of centralized authorities.", "Gem quality diamonds have no utility nor are they rare but they have value because we're willing to pay for them.", "Yeah, I am not sure if it's by design or a fortunate coincidence probably a bit of both?", "With torrenting the only thing that I am uploading is something that I have already implicitly downloaded. What content is chosen to be downloaded locally to your machine and therefore hosted and uploaded to other peers?", "Which is just a commonly accepted scam, yes. What is your point?", "Bruh.\nAn NFT is just a key to a link to said image.\nAnyone can access the image if they have the link.\nYou own a receipt lmao", "If an API is made available, sure. If done right, all of this stuff just happens in the open.\n\nBut I have a feeling that EA isn’t going to do Warzone right.", ">I collect Magic the Gathering cards and old cards that are guaranteed not to be reprinted by the company that makes them (these cards belong to the reserve list, meaning they have promised not to create any more) aren’t perfectly reproducible. We know the card stock used by the different print runs, the shape of the cards, the ink patterns on the cards, the color of the interior cardboard, the look of light shown through a jewelers loupe. It’s basically impossible to get it all perfect, at least with current technology.\n\nSame with NFTs, you can see when they were made so older ones will have a different date from newer ones.", "I do think Bitcoin is mostly zero sum from here on out, but I see some amount of business value in smart contract platforms. Just me personally.", "Digital art is still licensed. Originality/authenticity does not matter, but ownership, or rights to use, do.\n\nNot saying NFTs in their current form solve this, but still.", "People are faking being the original artists. It happens all the time on the NFT selling platforms. Then the original creator has to happen to see it, notify the platform, and request them to take it down. By then, the image can already have been sold for a profit with the buyer none the wiser.", "Yep, you nailed it. Kind of like those cases where you can buy a painting, but it has to stay in a museum. You can’t take it, but it CAN sell it. \n \nThe blockchain is just acting as a record of \n \nThe goal was never to provide image hosting, or to somehow stop people from downloading them or seeing them… you can pull the file right off the page for most of these. \n \nCan’t but", "My point is exactly what I said, they have value because people are willing to pay for them.\n\nAnyway NFT technology definitely has utility beyond a hyperlink to an image. They can be used as digital deeds or certificates of authenticity. Just because the current mainstream use for them is fucking stupid doesn't mean the underlying technology is.", "This is just one example, though. If you’re that against an open and global database as a concept, I’m not sure why you’re engaging with me.", "This is the most NFT conversation I’ve ever stumbled across - an escalating exchange of baseball card analogies", "I have a bunch of artist friends who get bent out of shape about their stufff being put out as an NFT, not even due to the environmental factors they just believe the money being made on their art should be going to them, they don’t seem to understand that this is a money laundering scheme at the very worst and at the best that it really just amounts to people saying “I have a link to this artists picture you can own the link to this artists picture if you want.”\n\nI’m not defending NFTs I think it’s incredibly retarded but it’s not art theft either…", "Dev tools weren't around 20 years ago because they didn't really exist. There was a lot less javascript going on and fewer front end web frameworks. Most sites were written in a simple text editor or Dreamweaver (shudders). You could still view the entire page source which was a lot simpler though and see the exact url of the image and access it directly.", "> If an API is made available, sure\n\nImplementing an available API requires less engineering work than integrating proof of skin ownership with the blockchain. \n\nAgain, you're still relying on the company to support whatever solution you get. So why do you want to more difficult one?", "What about bitcoin? Practically no one uses that for NFTs. The reason these are all insanely priced now is because Ethereum was $500 a year ago and now it’s $4000, so the money flow and market jumped along with it.", "Well not really since most underlying assets of NFTs are not stored on decentralized platforms.", "Aren't the owners of all houses already doxxed?", "That's a database which costs money to file data into. So perhaps it's another avenue to shoehorn microtransactions into games that people don't like.", "So it does have at least some practical uses, but the tech itself will be abused by big corps and its not the fault of the tech itself its just how capitalism works.", "You could identify the first time it was created pretty easily and you can see the address which created it so it's easy to identify provenance.", "So SSO is just single sign on.\n\nLike how you can create an account with Google and then use “Sign In With Google” on so many sites around the web. \n\nIn that scenario Google tracks a lot of what you do. They see the websites you log into, what you do there, what you might interact with. They can use all that data to show you ads or sell your data (in aggregate) to other firms. Point is, they make money off giving you that service for free. \n\nAn NFT is just a piece of unique data tied to a wallet. So instead of a table in a database somewhere owned by Google that has all the information about your profile (name, email address, profile picture) imagine that all just lived in your crypto wallet. \n\nYou own the data, it’s written there with NFTs (again, just unique bits of data, not necessarily attached to art), and you can choose where and how you let other websites use it.\n\nInstead of Google seeing and scraping everything you do because you’re using their login service, you can just connect your wallet to let a website pull the data it needs directly from you.\n\nAnd if that website ever does anything sketchy or you just want to leave, you revoke that site’s access to your wallet.", "Nope, this assumes that the original image will always be the first NFT created that points to an image. You can find someone’s art online that hasn’t created an NFT, pretend you’re the artist, and post it yourself. It has happened many times on opensea and other platforms. \n\nThe only thing the blockchain verifies is “I’m the owner a key that decrypts this space on the blockchain that points to this specific piece of data, like a URL”. That is completely separate from ownership of an image. People who think that owning an NFT is the same as owning a physical good are going to get hosed.", "K", "That’s what Big ~~Pharma~~ Starma want you to think, man. It’s the man, man.", "Oh word!\n\nFWIW, tokenized games aren’t something I’m super bullish on. I think the underlying tech has a lot of inventive uses but I don’t trust a lot of them big current game studios to not totally bungle this up.", "Notice how NFT scammers always avoid the IP rights infringement matter and jump to the NFT.\n\nYes, you can be the original creator of the NFT. But it’s doesn’t mean that you didn’t steal the object you minted.\n\nIn fact, later NFT could be made by the creators themselves, but according to your logic, their NFTs would be just fake (even though they are the original art creators and IP rights holders).\n\nSo originality of the NFT means absolutely nothing.", "I'm sorry, I didn't mean heartbroken in that way. I've worked on a few art nft projects and, even though it's not for me, I have nothing against it like some do.\n\nThe reason it's dissapointing me is that the tech has such a great potential but, in the eyes of the average person, is being associated with scams and get rich quick scheems. People will hear NFT and think \"isn't that the crypto art scam thing\" instead of understanding what it actually is.", "Like I’ve been saying, just another tool in the kit. If developers want to do something cool with it, great. If they don’t, no sweat off my back.\n\nNot like I’m boycotting games that don’t tokenize everything. Lol", "It’s from the new South Park special that has NFTS in it.", "I helped create the NFT technology and they don't have much to do with art. It's more like a receipt on steroids. They are very useful, but what they are being used for is kind of weird right now. Even OpenSea was created originally for video game assets. No one predicted art.", "Think art prints. Usually there will be a certain copy of \"real\" ones the artist makes and numbered (ex 2 of 50). Someone can photocopy or print a copy if digital art and it will be pretty identical but the \"real\" ones have value because they are considered real.", "VAMOS MANTEQUILLA \n👏👏👏👏👏", "Bored Apes give you commercial usage rights. Also gives you access to perks and benefits they provide. Which continue to grow as the project continues.", "What's with the guys filthy nails?", "And if you want to sell or transfer those rights and the vendor does not allow it? Or what if you aren’t within their areas of service?", ">\tThey can be used as digital deeds or certificates of authenticity.\n\nThis can work ONLY in case if the technology itself becomes centralized. Otherwise you won’t be able to prove object’s origin and authenticity. Without that, NFT loses its meaning.\n\nAnd this goes into a completely opposite direction, from where it was planned.", "I just might do that too. In case I want to move the NFL team I own the Green Bay Packers to Scotland.", "I've not heard any especially practical uses for them TBH, although just like with anything, I'm sure someone can come up with a good concept.\n\nMy main expectation is how AAA companies will further erode the enjoyment from gaming. \"Sorry you can't loot this skin, your account balance is too low to mint the NFT\".", "Gracias, I'll have a look see wooksee.", "Selling digital assets online and giving users proof that they actually have the right to use it. Say you are somebody who makes and sells content for a game and all of a sudden you see hundreds of people using one of your vehicle skins but, you know you only sold 2 of them. If the game had a way of enforcing it so only players who owned your NFT could use the skin it would protect your asset.\n\nThere was a documentary a few years ago that featured \"Secod Life\" creators sueing users who had copied their creations. Can't remember the name of the doc but, here's a couple of links:\n\nhttp://virtuallyblind.com/2007/10/27/content-creators-sue-rase-kenzo/\n\nhttps://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/02/stroker-second-life-content-lawsuit-settled.html\n\nThe issue with NFTs at the moment though is that they are simply being bought and sold without any reason.", "It really doesn't. I realise you don't really understand block chain and that's OK but you should educate yourself on the subject to hate it more critically.", "I guess the point I’m trying to get across is that if you tokenize this stuff, it can live on if Steam were to (for some reason) shut down their inventory service. \n\nYou’d have the tokens still, and some other company or fan might build _something_ that gives them some utility, however minor.\n\nAnd I think that’s cool and worth exploring. \n\nI’m heading to bed, though. Have a good night!", "Yes. Its also ugly as fuck.", "NFTs are public receipts basically, ownership records and people have been using them to sell the receipt itself. The receipts happen to have colorful pictures on them. There has been a lot of confusion as to what that receipt is and what it means. The person in this video says that all the receipts are scams, because people are buying them just for the colorful pictures. The people buying the receipts are using them like membership cards and to network. They are also useful when associated with real world rights and physical property. The person in the video says that because he has copied off all the colorful pictures he has broken the receipts. He actually hasn't touched the receipts and the actual receipts are still exactly where they were.", "It really feels like all these advances are attempts at monetizing technology that we don’t really know how to use or apply.", "Questions if you don’t mind. \n\nThis wouldn’t limit what google has on you though right? Google will continue to track you using your wallet address as the identity no? Google will just have an additional relationship of John smith: wallet address 12345. \n\nAlso would you mind explaining how would one revoke access? Isn’t the nature of nft non fungible and blockchains are by design open to the public?", "The map is what's important because you can't counterfeit the map. It's also not a map, it's a receipt.", "If they do it right, on a cheap chain where transactions are like tiny fractions of pennies, it would probably behoove them to just eat the minting cost.\n\nI’ve been saying for a while that “blockchain” isn’t The Feature, but that it might be able to power some neat features. \n\nThis is kind of what I mean. If they can bury and hide the blockchain part but still give you the ability to sell/trade tokens and let other services read them from your wallet (or a wallet obfuscated in a user profile), some neat user experiences might bloom from it.", "The gaming industry isn't going to allow second hand selling of digital games. Makes no sense for them business wise when they can just sell you a brand new game instead. Never going to take off.", "A simple transfer isn’t as defensible as a purchase/sale of an asset.", "You introduced \"Spiderman NFTs\" into your argument, now because I didn't challenge you defining them as NFTs you are extrapolating from that what I think an NFT is? Sounds like another strawman. I use my time making substantive arguments, not semantic ones.\n\nAnd it is semantic, as we were talking about NFTs that proclaim themselves to be unique not just in their code but in the image or animation that they contain / refer to. When you start talking about a company, not an artist; and a copy of an image, not an original - you have moved the goalposts.\n\nTo respond to your final point, whether you realize or not it actually makes my argument, and not yours. I've never argued that it's not possible for artists to sell the same NFT twice, I've argued there are strong reasons not to. Namely, it would affect their reputation and greatly reduce the value of the NFT. From your source:\n\n\"Nevertheless, drama erupted two months later when Sabet sold a strikingly similar NFT entitled Quarantine Magic: The Creation 2020. \nThe second artwork was also an animated piece that showed the digital “painting” being created over time, and it sold for a fraction of the price of the original.\"\n\nSo drama erupted i.e. it affected his reputation (point 1), and it greatly reduced the value of the NFT (point 2). And this wasn't even the same image (your claim is false) - it was just similar. And that was enough to cause a big hit to the artist. Sounds like my argument is holding water and yours is desperately bailing it. Peace.", "I'm not saying reconstruct it. I'm saying store the hash and at any date in the future you can hash the same image using the same algorithm to get the same result and then that can be proof that you own the image. This is my understanding of how hashing works. \n\nEveryone can pretty much have access to all the images anyway, that's what the whole video is about.", "What about small creators, or even someone that wants to create one? The only way to safely buy NFT’s is from large, well known creators? \n\nPlease explain how this isn’t a huge fucking pyramid scheme benefiting the small portion of creators and early adopters? Or a way to inflate the price of ether by creating large amount of transactions using ether?", "I understand how the ownership works, as I do the ownership transfers professionally.\n\nIt’s you, who have no idea what does it means to own something and transfer the ownership.\n\nThe entire concept of ownership can’t exist in the decentralized system. Because law can’t exist in the decentralized system.\n\nTo create NFT you don’t need to prove the authenticity. You can take a picture of my passport and create the NFT with it. That won’t make you the owner of my passport.\n\nThat is precisely why NFT can’t prove the ownership outside of the “trust me, bro” circle. Which is again, means nothing unless it’s centralized and has everyone in it.", "It’s Alf! In pog form!", "Anything is incredibly complex when you don't understand it.", "Well, you can pirate it, and nothing is paid to anybody of course, or you can choose to buy the authentic thing by purchasing NFT and the artist gets paid.\n\nSame way you can get the same movie through Netflix or pirate it, nobody can tell the difference between them, but you paid for one.\n\nPlus NFT is unforgeable proof that you bought it, without needing any central authority (like Netflix). That's where NFTs have their use. \n\nThat said, buying pixelated images with close to zero value for millions has to be one of the stupidest (or downright malicious) use cases and gives NFT technology really a bad name.", "You seem to be making the argument that people buy NFTs because they want other people to know they can throw money at an NFT? So the value of an NFT is that it is an NFT because some people like NFTs for being NFTs because NFT is NFT and that's cool and exclusive cuz NFT?", "But for digital signing you need trust, don't you?", "Now the people who own that jpeg can have a yacht party and only invite the other owners. That is how people are using them. It's a sort of club. Also they can be used for other things besides images.", "You cant be evicted if you own the house, if you can be evicted, someone else owns the house.", "Not according to this video, did you watch it??\n\nHe said the link is what you pay for and a third party who hosts the image at the link can arbitrarily change the image. That is what I am alluding to in my comment.", "You know, I've extracted images from my own Canvas element, but I've never tried to write a script that would extract images from a Canvas element that someone else created. That being said, without streaming data to the Canvas from the server with websockets, you'll still have to transfer that data to the GUI. And sure, not many people would try to extract a blob...but there are theoretically ways to retrieve any image you send to the browser.", "I mean it really just depends on how it pans out. The future is impossible to know. The tech is very young and the applications are potentially vast.", "> If no one cares then why are people buying them?\n\nIf no one cared about Beanie Babies why did some people spend tens of thousands of dollars on single ones?", ">Nope, this assumes that the original image will always be the first NFT created that points to an image. You can find someone’s art online that hasn’t created an NFT, pretend you’re the artist, and post it yourself.\n\nWell obviously you shouldn't buy NFTs if you don't know the legit artist minted it. But that's like counterfeiting in Magic the Gathering, you gotta check for it.", "The worst part is his smugness. In 4 years when he finally understands it better he's going to look back at this and realize he was a complete idiot, or maybe he's just trolling. I despise everything about this man and everything he stands for. He's profiting off of pure ignorance and mis-information.", "Major corporations have already filed patents to link nft type items to irl goods. So if there are any changes to copyright law, it will be to the negative for people/consumers, as usual.", "There are many people who are concerned with data about them being stored and sold. NFT verification could allow a person to prove they are real and owner of an identity without giving any information away.", "Imagine going to an NFT club. No women inside, just a smelly nerd sausage fest jerking eachother off over jpegs. No thank you..", "Those people did care about Beanie Babies, obviously. They cared enough about them to spend lots of money on them.\n\nAnd they are allowed to. How they spend their money is none of my business.", "'tis I! <tips fedora>", "Let say I did that and traced to the minting event. How can I guarantee that that date is the earliest one, such that there are no other NFT minted earlier for the same digital piece? Other competing NFTs are not part of the auction/sale of the NFT I’m purchasing.", "But you can’t really pirate it tho, it’s like taking a picture of a YouTube video of a game and you said you own the game lol", "> An ape is just a digital collectible with that serial number stored on a blockchain.\n\nMinus the physical Babe Ruth or Charizard card. If I have a Charizard I can hold the card, place it into a display and admire it. I can physically trade it. There is no other card in the world like my charizard. \n\nI can literally reproduce your image, no blockchain required by hitting \"Print Screen\". An NFT is just the equivalent of buying a receipt. You don't own the image. You have no physical item to hold like you can with a Babe Ruth card. \n\nNFTs are digital beanie babies. Without the actual cute little stuffed toy. Just the receipt that shows you paid $X for a digital picture of a beanie baby.", "I've been used to people saying \"K\" to my weird blockchain rambling since 2012, brother.", "what about saving the canvas though? chrome lets you copy it to an image and firefox lets you open it in a new tab", "If you take 5 mins to read up on what an NFT is, it basically just seems like a massive shill. \n\nBut we live in a world where they sell air in a bottle so what do I know", "There have been multiple cases of artwork being sold on platforms by people impersonating the artist. They’ve even been verified. I shouldn’t have to DM an artist on twitter to make sure the NFT I’m buying was created by them. If someone posts an NFT before the original creator and impersonates them on a platform, how is it reasonable to say that isn’t enough proof?\n\nIt’s not remotely the same thing as Magic cards. I can verify authenticity without contacting fucking Wizards of the Coast and asking if they printed it. I can do the tests I listed before because it’s a physical item. I can bring a loupe to my local card shop and be confident in a purchase without any additional parties needed. And if the shop (aka the selling platform) is selling a fake, I can see that.", ">Oh, and Flickr is still a thing!\n\nLOL :)\n\nThanks! I use Flickr as just a place to maintain a gallery, and it's a dual edged sword. If someone contacts me for licensing it is usually because they saw the image on Flickr, but that is also usually the reason why they steal them ;)", "> If the game had a way of enforcing it so only players who owned your NFT could use the skin it would protect your asset.\n\nWhy can't this be solved through a centralized database controlled by the game company?", "> Certain NFT's are worth money because people have decided so\n\nThis Beanie Baby toy is worth 10 million dollars. You may think that's ridiculous but I will find a beanie baby collector who is willing to pay me for this ~~Bored Ape~~ Beanie Baby. \n\nMake it make sense why NFTs are a good thing because they're digital beanie babies.", "Some sites puts out a message saying disabled in developer mode and ask you to close the window.", "There is a blockchain currently offering NFTrees which are digital trees on the blockchain but also associated with a physical fruit tree that gets planted in the real world. The holder of the NFT will receive 20% of the fruit yield profits for the lifetime of the tree. They also receive carbon credits from the CO2 produced by the tree. These CO2 tokens can be sold to enterprises who may need carbon credits on the open market. Interesting concept.", "I have wondered if they have allergies like I do :)", "https://youtu.be/Z6oeAdemFZw", "They actually have unique personalities, and if larger would make cool pets.", "> It's just with NFTs there's an even more direct and fool proof way to measure authenticity\n\nWho cares if someone has a \"real\" NFT? Present two identical copies of a neon green ape smoking a joint. Which one is the NFT one and what rights does that give the \"holder\" of the NFT?", "How else am I going to inflate the price of Etherium and continue the pyramid scheme?", "So you agree with me that NFTs are just digital beanie babies?", "I'm not in any crypto bro circles. I understand the technology because I researched it because I'm a tech nerd and its interesting. You have the entirety of human knowledge at your finger tips and you're choosing to remain ignorant.", "But isn't that just a stupid concept? An \"original\" digital file!? The dupes are the same as the original. The so-called original is essentially holy water -- no different than regular water.", "It’s democratized money laundering", "Ah sorry you mean the picture, what I mean from my comment is that an nft is not a picture, it's a ticket to see a picture, a ticket to the museum that has been minted on the block chain. I think once they are used in games or as tickets they will make more sense and then if you torrent a picture of that item in game you won't be able to use it.", ">\"well when you press the button to generate another copy of this image, THIS is the real one\"\n\nSure, how is that so hard to understand? It is just the natural evolution of digital art/assets and people arguing against it seem like old people yelling at the sky because it is changing.", "He even admits it in the video the first 5mins. He did not steal anything, he does not \"have\" anything. There are projects that do it right. And like in ANY other subject, where there is a lot of money there are also scams. \n\nThe only thing he did is show some that dont know anything about NFT's what SOME actually get. \nWow. Shoker.\n\nIt's like the people that go \"lol rightclick save =i got it too\"\nBeing mad at the comparison of \"me hanging a mona lisa poster\" argument. It's simply not the same.\nBesides a neat discussion about some rhetorical questions and some information, this video says nothing lol.\n\nAnd now people watch the video and be like \"höhö see all scam lol idiots\"? What? \n\nThe only question all the time is, what is someone willing to pay for something. And this endless question can be boiled down to anything. \nLol u huys go to BANKS WITH YOU MONEY? OMG LOL so basically i only see numba in account and if shit hits fan it's gone or be fked by inflation LOL ALL SCAM. U DONT EVEN OWN IT LOOOL. ???\n\nYou see the argumentation? Yea it's fking stupid.", "Asphinter replies", "They explain it in the video. It's like with any crypto currency, anyone can send crypto to any wallet. With NFT's, anyone can send any data to anyone's wallet. Usually in the form of a URL. \n\nIt means that companies can send NFT's to people with a link to their company website for example. People can send NFT's with a URL to someone's personal details. People can troll celebrities with their leaked nudes. The whole system is doomed to fail in my opinion.", "I don't think it matters whether they are or not, they're just a form of encrypted/cryptographic digital ownership. If people want to buy them then good for them, if they don't then also feel free.\n\nI mostly respect peoples right to choose how they spend their time and money.", "[basically a pyramid scheme](https://www.dualshockers.com/play-to-earn-nft-games-like-axie-spark-pyramid-scheme-debate/?amp)\n\nhttps://forkast.news/headlines/earnings-axie-infinity-below-minimum-wage\n\nanything else?", "About as useful as a pet rock.", "Yeah, and you can just pay the artist for a license. Don't need NFTs or the blockchain or crypto to do that.", "Do you guys have at least A SINGLE point outside of “omg, u r ignorant”?\n\nAnd you have no clue what the law is and how it works, what ownership is based upon and how it’s recognized.\n\nHaving a picture of anything proves only that you have a picture of that. It doesn’t prove anything further. That is how it works. No matter the technology, if the technology itself is not widely recognized and used in the centralized system, it can’t be used as the legal proof of authenticity.\n\nCan you go to the court with your token? No. Point proven.", "Things like real estate and title ownership would greatly benefit on the blockchain. I feel this industry will be first to break through to mass adoption.", "I'm confused. Are you saying that a random person not into Magic the Gathering would know what is a counterfeit and what isn't right away? Because otherwise they still need another party/person to tell them which cards are legit and what signs to look for.", "It could but, then you are giving control of assets to a single games company. What if you wanted to allow your users to take their custom model assets and use it in multiple different games.", "So, where's the link to that 17.7 TB NFT archive?", "The original picture out of a pro camera is somewhere between 30 to 100+ MB per picture. Printed on good paper with a nice frame it will tell you a story with high dynamic range and details even when blown up to huge sizes (billboards etc). \n\nThe picture on the website is likely below 1 MB.. if screenshot or grabbed from Social Media its far smaller and would be a disappointment if you tried to print it on anything bigger than a stamp..", "Lotta thread to read through, but access to those NFTs could also be codified through smart contracts for all to see. Those same devs could then setup their own marketplace and take a cut, and/or even go so far as implementing their in game currencies on chain and using them in game and taking cuts there, natively. At the very least on a level 2 chain they could be making out purely on those fees vs current traditional payment processing fees. \n\nI'm not saying it's a fully fleshed out idea, nor the be all end all of NFTs - I'm not exactly a game economics designer. In any case, from 20000 ft programmable money and asset management seems like it could have some place at the table.", "If you buy my bathwater for $20, I will grant you the honorary title of Bathman, which you may prefix your name legally with", "But the whole point of blockchain to begin with is that you don't need an authority to back it because the users back it.", "> What if you wanted to allow your users to take their custom model assets and use it in multiple different games\n\nThe _assets_ themselves wouldn't be stored in the NFT anyway. Just some sort of signature \"proving\" that you own it.", "Pretty much everything digital you buy is simply a license to use, not actual ownership of the thing you bought.", "I think the answer is obvious and we've known it for decades: You don't. You don't fucking try to trash one of the greatest features of digital media for some bizarre bullshit social construct of egotistical status. We should be ditching shit like that.", "This scam shit will crush bitcoin.", "Yes I've already made my point and you just said nah. You've already made your mind up and I don't care to argue with you on a topic you're not open minded about. If you truly are open to changing your mind, there's people out there who can explain it better than me, seek them out.", "Your bank account is effectively a digital thing. So yeah, it matters a lot.", "Well Twitter will allow you soon to get NFTs as profile pictures. The real one will have the blue verified checkbox. If you copied the NFT and upload a copy of the picture, you miss the verified checkbox because you have the copy. Aaandd as people wanna be unique, they'll get an NFT.", "Very cool pictures! Now I want a pet bee", "I didn’t say “nah”, I disproved every point you tried to claim with the real world application.\n\nNFT does nothing in regards of the end product, since it’s not a recognized way to prove the authenticity to begin with.", "One thing they said was incorrect. The link they looked at was an IPFS link. IPFS links are immutable. IPNS links can change", "There's good with the bad, but honestly, I can't really say that the internet has been a net positive.\n\nThere's nothing good about cryptocurrency. It solves no problems, only creates them.", "You disproved that they have value because people are willing to pay for it? I don't think you did.", "yes but you would need each game to verify that the user owns the NFT before importing it.", "Yeah, of course. But \n\n- some artists choose to sell their art as NFTs.\n- it does not rely on any central authority and it's publicly provable that you bought it (it's in the public ledger) \n- nobody can forge your license and effectively steal it\n\nEdit: why the fuck are you downvoting this? I'm just stating facts. If you don't agree, I'd love to hear an explanation why.", "i want to buy NFT", "I had the same with Beeple. His site blocks the \"save image as\" so I just yoink it through inspect element. Like his art tho, shame you can't buy them reasonably.", "What if the hosting company at the other end of the link the nft points to disappears? All you have is a link that doesn't go anywhere at that point.", "lmao recognize that window immediately https://hackertyper.net/", "By equalizing it to scam, yes (because in the current state it is just a scam). Which makes their value to be fake, to scam more people, as there’s no real world application to it.\n\nOh, also “money laundering made easy” kinda thing.\n\nPointing at the artificially busted “value” as the proof, is a very questionable idea to say the least.\n\nNFT has no value outside of the NFT circle, because the only thing it can be supported by is the attention from the NFT circle. Outside of it, NFT value simply doesn’t exist.", "You have it right, except that you can't even use it for copyright issues because it doesn't grant you any real rights, its basically saying, you own the piece of paper, which says you own the thing, but that it.", "Usage rights (whether commercial or not) definitely have value, and if NFTs were just being used as a way to verify those, I could see that adding value into the system. The blockchain could just serve to verify the contract, decreasing the costs in enforcing your rights. That is actually what I assumed when I first learned of NFTs. \n\nHowever, it really does not seem to be the reason for the big boom in NFTs. I'm not really seeing someone buying an NFT to use an image in their videos and websites. No, they seem to be pushing them as \"an investment.\" And investments need something of real value to back them, beyond speculation, in order not to burst.\n\nI guess the perks might count, if they are increasing indefinitely. But I doubt that those perks would be worth the difference between the buying and selling price on the open market. \n\nI do think NFTs could be a useful thing. I just think the current speculation boom is going to crash.", "You haven't actually made an argument though. Honestly from a third party perspective it seems like you can't say anything and not because you don't want to since you have kept replying", "Collecting links to photos of yugioh cards.", "Scam or not it has as much value as someone is willing to pay for it. Same as stamp collecting, they're a real world example of non fungible tokens. It's literally just a piece of paper and some ink but someone is willing to pay upwards of a million dollars for because they believe it to be worth that much. If you want to get down to the bare basics nothing has any actual value. We place value on things, often arbitrarily.", "Non-Fungible Token. Its basically a piece of paper that says you own a thing, but all you actually own is the piece of paper itself. If you can convince someone that its worth something then you can make money on it but its purely speculation and if you buy one hoping to re-sell it you might find that no one else wants it any more and will just be out the money.", "Hahahahah look at this NFT bro everyone", "With NFT, you are not buying the image or file. You are buying the ownership, of the file. Think of it as a deed.", "I'm not making any arguments, I'm stating a fact that something has the value that someone is willing to place on it. The entirety of human society revolves around this.", "And more importantly, _take it away from you_", "We already have deeds as a concept though.", "Right, and my bank has databases and servers. Literally 0 use for blockchain or crypto or NFTs.", "It seemed like the conversation had moved on from that", "Stamps have the artistic value + you own the object. In case of the NFT, not only you’re not owner of the minted object, NFT doesn’t even prove that you have IP rights on this object.\n\nThat’s the point. \n\nIn case of stamps, object and ownership can be proven (since it all linked to a single thing). In case of the NFT - can’t (since minted object is one thing and token is another, separate from the object).", "It seems like the other poster moved the goal posts to avoid my original point.", "Woosh…\n\nEdit: The amount of people missing the point and thinking that I support the use of NFT is hilarious.", "Lack of digital scarcity is a feature, not a bug. You took a look at the best thing about digital information, and decided \"fuck that, we need this shit to be more like coal mining.\"\n\nYou still need a government with a military and law enforcement, besides, to enforce contracts or any sense of ownership. If I come at you with a gun and demand your bitcoins, cryptography isn't going to make you magically mugger proof. If I scam you, bitcoins aren't going to magically detect that you've been fleeced and reappear in your wallet. If a foreign nation invades, you can't defend your land with a wall made of bitcoins.\n\nAll crytocurrency does is add an extra layer of crap on top of systems that already exist. Temporarily, the governments of the world don't know how to deal with that layer of crap, so its a haven for illicit activities. But how long do you think that's going to last? Did bitcoin somehow prevent China from outlawing miners or shitting on Hong Kong?", "You make the same image two different NFTs, correct? If I understand correctly...\n\nScreenshot the NFT, then upload it to the blockchain again with a different hyperlink to the image", "It's linked to a token. You own that token. That token is unique and someone is willing to pay to own that token. That's where its value lays, because someone is willing to give money for it.\n\nSkins in video games have no tangible aspect to them yet they have value because people buy them. You don't have to like NFTs, I don't care for them much myself and would never buy a shitty clip art of a monkey but I understand why people want to buy them.", "Thanks!\n\nI think that the first person to breed or genetically engineer a cat that always looks like a kitten will become a billionaire.", "There is no incentive for game companies to decentralize ownership of in-game items, hence it will never be used </thread>", ">\tSkins in video games have no tangible aspect to them yet they have value because people buy them. \n\nFinally you realized that the “value” is artificial and is applicable only within the very particular circle, has no value outside of it AND is not applicable in the real world. Exactly my point, which I stated above.", "I know it's artificial. The value of literally everything is arbitrary and I've already said as much.", "It’s not though. The value of food and value digital art are incomparable and not arbitrary.\n\nYou can’t survive without food but you can survive without, let’s say, even music.", "Thing is that if people believe it has value, it will have value. There is no inherent value of many of the things in the market. But also yes it is a way to speculate, it may be a bubble. But it won't be bubble if people at one point think it is a bubble. \n\nThis is all about common perception. Same for bitcoin.", "ITT: people who don’t understand NFTs", "Also, you've always been able to mint stocks and bonds, which are a kind of currency. Hell, you can manufacture baseball cards and pogs. You can go earn yourself some Warcraft gold. \n\nBitcoin isn't even the first digital currency. It's only feature is that it's trustless, so long as you trust the mining cartels and exchanges, and you trust your local government not to come to your house and confiscate your cold wallet.", "I’ve run into coding or Linux tutorial sites that try to prevent you from copying text… just…so clueless.", "Back in the day you could get around this by holding left click, holding right click, releasing left then releasing right. This would let you open the context menu even on sites that disabled right click", "I'm saying your comparison of a digital work and its copies to a painting and its prints is flawed.\n\nYou don't need a license to realize the difference between an original painting and a print. You do, however need the NFT to a digital work to realize the difference between an original digital work and a copy. In this regard, the only thing of value here would be the NFT itself, thus why people believe that the digital art NFT scene is a scam.", "Hey, go easy on us. We didn’t even get the internet until last year!", "Sorry, but since you resorted to getting a crappy resolution copy of the image via a screenshot, because you couldn't figure out how to actually circumvent the right click disabling to get the raw file, then you didn't \"win\". They did.", "In the same manner that you can own the keys to a crypto wallet you can own the keys to the collection. Your minted NFTs show up only under that original/official collection on the NFT marketplaces. If the NFT you want is not coming from the official collection then don't buy it...", "I'm not comparing food to digital art or NFTs, you are, but if you want to use that as an example fine. The value of an apple is indeed arbitrary. We pay 50c because we agree its worth 50c. An apple in Japan can be worth a million dollars because they agree its worth that much. And we agree that 50c is equal to one apple. Yes there's a chain of growth and delivery that influences that price but its always significantly less than what you end up paying \nWhen we become a post scarcity society food will have no intrinsic value either.\n\nI'm simply stating that people place value on things and that is why things have value. NFTs are no different.", "The difference is that we have social structures that validate them. When you go to a Sotheby auction, you trust that the value is real. If they sell you a forgery, you go to a judge and sue them.\n\nWith NFT the contract is with another individual (who's also anonymous) and you have no way to prove authenticity (some mention the timestamp on the Blockchain, but go to a judge and tell them to issue a desist order on some anonymous troll on Russia)", "My brother! Out in the wild! It's like meeting a friend walking to the store!\n\nAnd I agree with you. The hardest part for me though of seeing these posts where the majority are bashing crypto just makes me want to shake them and tell them to seriously just try to understand it before you vacantly brush it off because you \"think\" it's all a big scam.\n\nAnywho hope your well man!", "Interesting that South Park is finally covering the filesystem.", ">Open developer tools, refresh the page, go to network tab, filter by \"img\", sort by file size.\n\n.\n\n\n> 20 years ago\n\n\nThe HACKING of 20 years was to type view-source:website.tld in IE and then find the link to the picture.", "I'll charge you $100 and tell everyone those bits are yours.", "Lol pirate NTF’s", "This is exactly how I feel. It’s just over the top. The NFT technology doesn’t actually do anything special, it just does security really well. Which we already have pretty good security online.\n\nAnd games already have marketplaces where you can sell/trade items. NFTs wouldn’t make that special, people just would expect to pay a crap ton more because of the buzz around the blockchain. But unless you’re Fortnite, your NFT collectible is only going to be relevant for 6 months. I don’t know why you’d need to permanently have it on the blockchain.", "It's frustrating. A lot of the counterarguments are just bad, and if they do have a point it's simply because this tech is still in its infancy. It's like someone in 1990 explaining how the internet will be revolutionary, but then people complain that it's just used for emails, and why would I buy an expensive PC if I can just send a cheap physical mail to someone?", "They always could if they were independent artists. But not many of them would get big if they were one.", ">But what is the utility difference between the two?\n\nThe value of the original Mona Lisa comes from the scarcity of there only being one in existence and its historical and cultural value. You can analyse the original and see all sorts of things about the processes used to create it, a print is just a print and a forgery has an entirely different process. \n\nThat is not the same with NFTs, a copy of a digital image is literally identical to the original and the 'original' is already a copy since it had to be uploaded to a server to host it. The whole idea of an original digital image is silly as soon as it is shared on the internet, data just doesn't work like that.", "What a guess though! Good on him.", ">\tI'm not comparing food to digital art or NFTs, you are\n\nThis you?\n>\tThe value of literally everything is arbitrary\n\nAlso\n>\tAn apple in Japan can be worth a million dollars because they agree its worth that much.\n\nMakes sense only to those, who have no idea what production and market are and how they work. So, in short: no. Pricing is not a vague agreement and it’s calculated based on many factors, starting from the raw materials used, time, labor, quality control, etc.\n\nI’m telling you, the real world actually has rules it operates by.", "Display purposes like art are tangible to me. There’s real value in art besides what inks were used. But the history in an original art piece that you look at daily can have significance.\n\nSure you can print out a Michael Jordan rookie and display that, but if someone showed you an original rookie you wouldn’t feel the same about the printed replica as you do the actual card.", "the blockchain has been around for 10 years and people are still desperately trying to find a problem for it to fix", "That puts a cap on image quality, but 20 years ago everything probably were highly compressed anyway.", "Oh it absolutely is. If a supermarket could charge $10,000 for a 4c apple they absolutely would. But nobody would pay that much because we agree its not worth that much. There's no central authority dictating this, the people do, the market does.\n\nThe real world has people who will pay $20,000,000 for a token of a link to a silly monkey picture.", "\"But how do you support a digital artist ?\" Patreon, that's how.\n\nNFTs are just so scammy. Want to support your favorite digital content creator ? Just give them money on their Patreon (or similar). They'll even usually shout out your name publicly on their website/youtube videos/whetever, so you can still brag about the money you spent on them.", "Here’s my question. Why do you need NFTs to make this happen. You already have a trail of ownership online. Let’s say GameStop allowed you to trade used licenses in. Why couldn’t they just make their own Steam competitor and give you the ability to trade/sell games that way? Why do they need to bring NFTs into the mix?\n\nOh so the original company gets a kickback? Why do you need to make it an NFT to make that happen when you know who publishes every game?\n\nIt all just seems like a crypto cash grab.", "Wow thanks for the short version, it's even more scammy than I thought scams could ever scam", "People seem to assume that the word “token” refers to the piece of art. It does not. The token is the piece of data referring to that art.\n\nExcept it doesn’t have to refer art, it doesn’t even need to refer to anything.", "This is pretty much exactly the same concept as torrents, and because of that the \"decentralized\" part is a lie.\n\nSo the NFT seller needs to put the files up on IPFS. This means they have to put the files on their own server and share them forever.\n\nThe files can be decentralized, but if nobody downloads them, they won't be. Theoretically only the NFT buyer has the link to the file. Eventually that buyer may download the files, and then it would be somewhat decentralized because both the seller and the buyer have them.", ">\tOh it absolutely is. If a supermarket could charge $10,000 for a 4c apple they absolutely would. But nobody would pay that much because we agree its not worth that much. There's no central authority dictating this, the people do, the\n market does.\n\nSo… Do you realize that you just disproved your own statement?\n\n>\tThe real world has people who will pay $20,000,000 for a token of a link to a silly monkey picture.\n\nThose people are the part of that tiny circle, mentioned above. So the point stands. Outside of that circle the value of that link is still 0.\n\nEdit: Not to mention that such a transactions are usually made for the money laundering purposes. Same as with the art auctions.", "They are cataloged under the original minting address into a \"Collection\". You can see all of the actions that the minting address performs. If the NFT you're buying/bidding on isn't a part of that collection then it is fake.", "So, a world with scuba divers?", "I wish Coffeezilla wasnt so obnoxious", "If you actually watched the video you'd know that's not how it works", "The market isn't a central authority. Its the consumer. Its you and I.\n\nIt doesn't matter how small the circle is, if someone else is willing to pay that amount then that's the amount that it is worth. You wouldn't pay that so the value of it to you is exactly $0, someone else will. You might see no value in buying a fart in a jar, but someone else is willing to pay $100 for it. A fart in a jar is inherently worthless yet someone can make millions selling them and the buyer is probably quite happy with their purchase.\n\nYou don't have to understand why someone would want something so seemingly and utterly pointless to understand why it has value to them.", "Sure it seems absolutely fungible.", "Who wants to buy an NFT of a broken link? If the web server hosting the image disappears then who cares if you had an image of an famous artist?", "Do y'all really think that your sticking it to nft owners by copying the pictures?", "\n> more like a rich person paying a museum to SAY the own the Picasso. The rich person would not be able to take the Picasso home and never really had it any point. And the museum could also sell the same rights to “owning” that Picasso to a bunch of other people.\n\nWhat's the difference between this and immediately donating a painting the moment you buy it?\n\nSeriously", "Difference is the contract is bound to social structures called laws. Enforced by police, judges, etc. Who you gonna call when some Slovenian troll starts issuing NFTs of something that's \"yours\"? The NFT police?", "You still don't understand the technology then. Transferring a physical item completely trustless is totally impossible and would never be an application for crypto tech.", "Take a photo of the screen using a film DSLR camera. Develop the film and then take a photo of the print using a digital camera. Then, print the jpg and cut and glue it on a piece of A4 paper. Scan the paper and upsample it on photoshop. Elt Walah!", "Wait until you see a butterfly close up. They're nightmarish abominations.", "You're going some place in your car, but you can't find it so you pull over and ask someone, they reply \"I can tell you the directions but it'll cost you this much\". That's it, you're buying directions. Nothing stops the artist from reselling the same directions to get to the same image, nothing stops the artist from reuploading the image to another place and selling the new directions, nothing stops the artist from selling the rights to the picture out right to someone else.\n\nTLDR you're buying directions to a hot air balloon that you won't own and at any time it can move.", "I don’t think you understand what crypto currency is. It’s a decentralized, autonomous, and there is no incentive for a government to create “their own”, there is no “they” in Bitcoin. The rules are built into the code, it can’t be manipulated, and it is not money the same as fiat money. Crypto gives power to over the currency to the individual, not third parties, not government spending or policy, not to banks, or wars. Not trying to be snide or condescending, just based on what you wrote I can see you don’t understand crypto. You should do some reading, (non Reddit reading) it’s a fascinating topic and it’s not going away, and you might even enjoy a deep understanding.\n\nEdit: I do think there are a lot of scams and get rich quick efforts going on out there, it’s still a young idea, very much a Wild West. Don’t let these scam coins distract you from the core idea, which is that we can have decentralized currency, that’s something we need for long term stability. These scams thrive on the uninformed.", "LMAO, best advice in this thread.", "Public and private keys circa 1976?", "That's insane.\n\nWhy would a digital world depend on hard copy documents? Covid nuked the last of that world", "> You could run a fully, publicly auditable election using NFTs that anyone could run chain analysis to see if there are any shenanegans going on\n\n[Please god no, paper elections forever please](https://xkcd.com/2030/)", "https://youtu.be/unohOzZnbL0", "I remember long ago when my grandma gave me a certificate that said she named a star after me for Christmas, even as 12 year old I could see the hollowness and futility of this scam. I would have rather had the 25 bucks. She assured to me it was authentic and that it had been officially registered lol. \n\nHas anyone started selling astronomical and celestial NFTs? Imagine owning Jupiter that shit is probably worth like 500 bucks.", "TBH, the technology isn't that amazing either, we've had linked lists for a long while now. It would be amazing if we were able to store unlimited data without burning the Amazonian jungle everytime.", "Victor Chaos on Opensea?", "Yes! Now someone is getting it!", "100% agree", "These are such bad faith arguments, I think I am just going to give up on this thread.\n\nI've gone over what \"identical\" mean in this situation (they aren't, per the ledger) and also why this an unfair standard (lots of things that derive value are 'identical' modulo some proof of purchase or mint to certificate of authenticity)\n\nIf we're just going in circles I think I have more interesting things to do with my time", ">\tThe market isn't a central authority. Its the consumer. Its you and I.\n\nHow is it related to the authenticity and ownership? Not we, nor market can decide and confirm that. That’s why it’s not necessarily for it to be centralized.\n\n>\tA fart in a jar is inherently worthless yet someone can make millions selling them and the buyer is probably quite happy with their purchase.\n\nUnless it’s used for money laundering. Then the value itself is irrelevant.\n\nAnd the application with the real world still plays the role. You can prove the authenticity of the fart in a jar, that you’re buying and you can’t lose it or its value due to the copyright infringement.\n\nWhich is not the case with minted object for NFT and as following, NFT themselves.\n\n>\tYou don't have to understand why someone would want something so seemingly and utterly pointless to understand why it has value to them.\n\nThen why you’re arguing when I say the NFT value is 0, when for me it’s 0?", "But what if he did it? Purely hypothetical.", "The one they're checking ownership of. The original issuer knows which NFTs it minted and they know which NFTs they did not mint. So they just check that it is one of theirs.", "So it’s a scam.", "I wish I could sell all my failed attempts for profit.", "It's not related to authenticity of ownership, my original point is about value. You're moving the goal posts. If you want to know how the block chain can be used to prove ownership there's plenty of people out there who can explain it better than myself. Go seek them.\n\nI'm not arguing anything, I'm stating a fact that the value of anything is what someone else is willing to pay.", ">You could run a fully, publicly auditable election using NFTs that anyone could run chain analysis to see if there are any shenanegans going on\n\nDon't. That would create absolutely zero trust in an election when barely any part of the of the general population has even the slightest idea of how a computer works nevermind understanding what a blockchain even is. It could also just get in the way of secret elections when all transactions are stored on a blockchain if someone finds out your wallet address and sees who you voted for.", "Bwhaha \"cartel\" you sir are funny. What are you some maxi?\n\nChecks comment history\n\nOhh boy there is a lot to unpack there but I'll just leave by saying you're a semi regular at /r/Buttcoin which solely makes fun of and bashes crypto so I'm not surprised.\n\nP.S. Magnus is better than Nepo. Don't yell at your mom when she brings you food you ungrateful shit.", "What you've described right there is what we call \"money laundering\". \nYou are seriously naive if you consider for a moment that people want to dump millions into a vaping rainbow robot monkey NFT for anything other than laundering.", "Man, this brings back memories of playing against kids at school. In fact, I still have my pog collection somewhere, including some really nice metal slammers.\n\nIt's funny to think about the amount of different crazes that my school and neighbourhood went through. Pokemon, Pogs, Crazy Bones, Yu-Gi-Oh, and that's just the tip of the iceberg... they were fun, but the kids at my school always took them so seriously, to the point where it caused massive problems. Disagreements, fights, stealing... my school ended up banning Pokemon cards and Pogs for a few months, haha.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHXoyoHt0M&t=561s", "I wonder what gardening tool he'll get for Christmas this week.", ">Now the people who own that jpeg can have a yacht party and only invite the other owners. That is how people are using them. It's a sort of club.\n\nNo they aren't.\n\n>Also they can be used for other things besides images.\n\nCan be, but again; they arent. Unless you want to count scams like Earth 2.", ">\tIt's not related to authenticity of ownership, my original point is about value. \n\nIsn’t the entire point of their value in the authenticity? Like, that’s the whole talk about NFT in general.\n\n>\tIf you want to know how the block chain can be used to prove ownership there's plenty of people out there who can explain it better than myself. Go seek them.\n\nI’m familiar with the law enough to say that it can’t prove the ownership of the minted object. Ownership of the NFT is irrelevant, as it doesn’t affect anything.\n\nEven creating the NFT of the legal document, doesn’t prove that you own or even possess said document. As simple as that. No technology can currently solve this simple issue.\n\nAnd to be able to solve it, it has to be centralized and granted authority.\n\nBlockchain is not the legal authority by any means, therefore it doesn’t matter what it contains, it holds no legal power, which is a requirement for the proof of ownership.", "I have to be honest, I kind of like the Bored Ape and its variants. It's actually pretty good pop-art.", "Basically collecting receipts with notes on them. Oh, and sure you can't make the same receipt as someone else has, but you can make an infinite amount of receipts. I guess its like stamps, as they get older and have more history tied to them people will find them curious.", "I got an add about trading nfts on the video dunking on nfts. Glorious irony.", ">In other ways, they're a status symbol for elite crypto traders. A good NFT does have proof of ownership. It's not something the average person could easily grasp, but neither is most abstract art with insane price tags... sure you own it, but my kid did one just like it. It's on my fridge. Etc.\n\nI prefer the term \"money laundering\" over \"elite crypto traders\". Seriously, almost all traders both inside and outside of NFT are just using abstract and bad art to launder and write-off millions of dollars.\n\n>But to visualize the real value, imagine an NFT released by a gaming company (i.e. Gamestop) that is a token to download a game. Their backend system checks if that copy of the game is already downloaded on another platform, and if not then you can download and play it. Boom, you have 'physical' ownership of a digital game. You can resell it as a second hand copy, and Sony can't delete it if you dispute with them. There are many other use cases like this. Like the Dotcom bubble, most NFTs will not last in their current forms, but some will evolve into titans of the crypto industry. Time will tell, but NFT as a concept is not going away anytime soon.\n\nCool hypothetical, but nobody cares enough to want to implement it. The majority of consumers are content with account systems, and this will only lose companies money.", "Funny thing is that many NFT bros back down into collectibles as an example of a system that works. But it doesn't! At least with a collectible you're left with something to remind you of how gullible you are.", "> <puts on gloves with finger holes cut out>\n\nJust use a power glove.", "Visit the people of rural Missouri and you'll understand why we have the leaders we do lol. \n\nSource: someone from a small Missouri town of less than 500", "So a pointer to a pointer akin to *", "Or just open the cache folder of your browser.", "\"I'm bringing home a baby bumblebee...\"", ">or make a profit.\n\nPeople call NFTs a scam and THAT's your rebuttal?", "I think it’s because it wasn’t a video call, but a voice call with them both filming themselves. So they don’t actually see each other’s visual reactions, and it makes things seem a little off.", "arweave lets you store files for a theoretical infinite amount of time, for an initial higher cost compared to IPFS.", "I don't disagree with anything you said. They are digital beanie babies just in a new format that has people hyped. If they seem stupid to you then the answer is simple, don't buy them. There's no need to convince you, you know what they are. In all honesty I would talk you out of buying them like I did most of my normie friends and just buying etherum or bitcoin, because 99.9% of them are unsellable within 2 months, and the hype cycle is pretty much already over. They are an incredibly risky investment, but one I found fun none the less to be involved in. I considered myself very lucky to make the amount of money I did on them. Most people got stuck holding NFT's they only bought to flip.", "Seems pretty FUNgible.\n\n(But not really. I just said that for the pun.)", "Ok, so you understand that we place value on things that don't actually offer us anything, and that ownership is usually partly based on a mutual fiction? But instead of realizing that it's an irrational quirk of society, you're arguing for* it and somehow believe that you can derive value solely from mutual fiction?", "Your wallet. You can buy an NFT on one exchange and sell it on another.", "The distributed consensus and cryptography ensures authenticity of the keyholder, proving them as the holder of that key. The blockchain proves the originality of the transaction through a ledger of all transactions.\n\nMeanwhile, with traditional PGP only ensures authenticity of the keyholder, saying nothing about the originality (the message could have been signed at any point in time - there is no way to prove when it was signed.) The originality aspect is also important when verifying information. If a PGP keys is ever lost, no message signed with it can be trusted because you don't know if the message was signed before or after it was lost. With blockchain you can prove it was the original transaction from before the key was lost.", "You would need to publicly release the sharing details of your wallet, and the wallets owner could always make a new wallet if needed.", "Their value stems from the same things that gives anything else value, what someone else is willing to pay for it.\n\nSomeone can absolutely prove that they own the token on the blockchain. No government or lawyers are needed to prove that. They own that token. Yes someone can mint another token with the same image, but the token itself, the thing that is actually the NFT, is unique. It's in the name, non-fungible TOKEN.\n\nThis is why I said that you don't understand it, because you're tied to the idea that there has to be an image associated with the token, there doesn't. The token can represent literally anything, it just happens that the mainstream sees them tied to images because that's what gets covered the most in media.\n\nIf you want some real world use cases for NFTs how about a band selling tickets to a concert. They can sell them as NFTs. The ticket can only be used by the person holding it. It can't be copied or reproduced and its significantly harder to steal. The profits go directly to the band and the bank takes no cut.\n\nHow about a video game that tokenizes items you collect so you can trade or sell them safely outside the game or use them in other games? Or a company selling stock in the form of NFTs? Digital IDs? It doesn't even have to be digital. You could tie a token to a real world object.\n\nAm NFT is not an image. It is not a link to an image. It is a unique identifying token that is logistically impossible to counterfeit.", "It is, but NFTs are also involved in a pseudo-MLM scheme where friends pull eachother in to make more money than they lost, and are also jacking their own prices up to fool people into thinking it's worth more.\n\nModern art itself is just money laundering and doesn't directly take advantage of anyone other than rich people.", "Yep, there is no Ship of Theseus problem with digital ownership. Owning a perfect copy of a file is 100% the same as owning the original file.", ">What happens when the owner does not pay their bill and gets evicted, how do you force transfer the NFT deed?\n\nThats pretty simple. The bank is the owner until the house is paid for.\n\n> The issue is a central authority still needs ability to control ownership in these cases, and if you are doing that why bother incorporating a blockchain network?\n\nAgreed. Makes no sense for property when its not real ownership.\n\n> This one is interesting! How do you think it would work? Do DMVs mint an NFT along with a person's driver's license? But then people could literally sell their identification/vote...\n\nI guess you can already sell your vote, there is just no way to prove you followed through. You can sell your ID as well, but that is also illegal.", "If you registered your license with the state you are a real minister. Because that's just how ridiculous and backwards our system is. Hell, time to register with the IRS and start reaping that sweet tax-free income, I mean donations.\n\n My wife and I had her brother become a minister to marry us. We are fundamentally against a state requiring a religious official to solemnize a government document, so why not lean-in to the ridiculousness.", "But then there’s no advantage to having an NFT over a regular file.", "Hey man, cool pictures. I like your style", "I thought cryptocurrency was dumb, but this takes that to a whole new level.", "Why not encrypt with a private key and sell that?", "So you’re arguing companies can’t employ artists and the Spider-Man NFT doesn’t contain images? Talk about moving goalposts. The FAQ literally says 108 unique pieces of artwork. An artist is typically behind the artwork. You’re redefining images and artist to fit your weird definition of NFT that, as you claimed, is “not an NFT” when it’s multiple identical copies made and sold by the original artist. \n\nThey’re NFTs of the same 108 images. Just because you don’t like who minted them and how much they’re worth doesn’t mean they’re not NFTs. \n\nI proved my point that there’s nothing stopping artists (assuming they’re even the original artist) from selling multiple NFTs of the same image. You can keep claiming reputation will stop artists, but people have screwed over others for less.", "The blockchain cuts out middlemen and creates a trustless network, circumventing the entire banking industry model/government’s monetary policy. It’s not the same as digital signing.", ">It's not like people who trade stock in gold or water contemplate physical ownership.\n\nOh, but you'd better do:\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kzoh1c/i_am_financially_ruined_agricultural_futures", "No, I don’t think that would be valuable.", "Same with the star registry. Since their inception, zero stars have been harvested for their resources, and if you donate $50 to me, we can keep it that way!", "It was even easier 20 years ago. The tools to obfuscate it weren't as good.", ">So my point is right now a lot of these NFTs are inherently useless, and redundant, but if more and more people and technologies get introduced then they won’t be. \n>\n>That’s what people who buy NFTs are betting on.\n\nWishful thinking, but I can guarantee you that 80% of the current investing market of NFTs are just out for profits and not for growth of the medium.\n\nSo far NFTs have only proven to be either money laundering or a waste of money, and a Tesla on the other hand...\n\nIt's just hard to support or moralize a system that has a lot of potential, but simultaneously just exists to prey and scam on people with it's cultlike following. So if this market wants to grow, it's gonna have to eliminate that reputation, which I don't believe is happening anytime soon.", "You must have bought an NFT or two.", "Why do you need a blockchain to do this though?", "Those are nice", ">\tbecause you're tied to the idea that there has to be an image associated with the token, there doesn't.\n\nOr\n>\tIf you want some real world use cases for NFTs how about a band selling tickets to a concert.\n\nPick one. You’re contradicting yourself.\n\nAlso, generating a QR code and emailing it to you is much faster, cheaper and easier way to deal with the tickets and similar things. Using NFT doesn’t make sense here.\n\n>\tHow about a video game that tokenizes items you collect so you can trade or sell them safely outside the game or use them in other games? Or a company selling stock in the form of NFTs? Digital IDs? It doesn't even have to be digital. You could tie a token to a real world object.\n\nYou CAN’T tie a token to the real world object. To do that, the platform MUST have the legal authority for that. They don’t, so no, you can’t do that.\n\nVideo games tokenized items, that you can use outside of it? What? That can’t be, because it can’t be. If you’re talking about music/art, then it belong to the authors, not the video game, so it’s tokenized by authors, not the game.\n\nStocks in the form of NFT? Again, how do you prove the ownership, if NFT can’t prove it?\n\nDigital ID? You mean accounts, that we all use for ages? No need for the NFT here either. Very literally no reason to use it.\n\n>\tAm NFT is not an image. It is not a link to an image. It is a unique identifying token that is logistically impossible to counterfeit.\n\nAnd logistically impossible to apply in real world and outside of the “trust me, bro” circle.", "Wasn't a thing 20 years ago.", "This is completely delusional. What possible benefit could blockchain technology add that couldn’t be done by a normal database?", "People that buy those fake NFTs are morons, as it's trivial to confirm a real collection vs a fake one. Of course people are getting fleeced by scams, it's a new market. People still get scammed with counterfeit money, even though it's trivial to see which bills are real or fake.", "Are you 700 years old? You sound like Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds.", "I'm sure that 90s era DOS PCs also actively scammed people. Just like the first mobile phones. And the Internet. And the radio. And the first automobiles.\n\nPeople are always skeptical of new tech but that's ALWAYS a question of irrelativity, never ethics. Unless it's a scam.", "I didn't and I won't. But Blockchain technology can be much more than glorified baseball cards.", "It’s better to think of NFTs as some form of collectable that is only valuable if it’s authentic. \n\nSome examples would be: \n-\tBaseball cards\n-\tBeanie babies\n-\tVinyl albums\n-\tGuitars\n-\tRolex watches \n\nAll these things can be reproduced even better than the originals. What makes them valuable is the authenticity. People producing knock offs doesn’t de-value the original. \n\nNow jump to the digital world. NFTs allow you to validate the authenticity of a digital asset. It doesn’t matter that the content can be replicated, there is still only one true owner and it’s validated via the blockchain. \n\nThat’s it. Stop overthinking it. \n\nIf you think that sounds too simple or stupid, guess what? It is. It’s just as stupid as people paying insane amounts for a piece of 50 year old cardboard (i.e a baseball card), or some fabric with stuffing (i.e beanie baby).", "That's true, but some people like to show off their wallets to show what NFT's they bought. It's kind of the point of NFT's at the moment. Yes they can make new wallets, but the blockchain data is always there for everyone to see. Creating new wallets means paying to transfer the NFT's they have stored.", "No you didn’t", "I am really not contradicting myself, the NFT is the identifier, there could be a picture of a ticket that represents that, but it is the token itself that grants entry. Everyone who has access to the block chain, which is everyone on earth who has an internet connection, can confirm that the band minted the token. If someone mints another token with a picture of a ticket, they have just that, another, different token, but they still do not hold the original token. \n\nEvery other point you are trying to make leads back to the same thing, the NFT is a token, not anything else. What it represents visually or physically is irrelevant. Forget about links, forget about monkey pictures, it is the token and only the token that is important here, the unique hash on the blockchain that cannot be copied or edited.\n\nThere's people out there who are much smarter and better educators than myself who can teach you all about them, all you have to do is ask Google.", "Some of the NFT's are soooo ugly. Most of them are stolen art.", "You are not buying the rights to the image though, you are buying the rights to that specific way of access to the image, aka the URL.\n\nThe owner could expand the NFT to add a copyright claim, and then you have the rights to the image through ownership of the access. But that makes the copyright the actual thing giving that right, not the NFT.\n\nDepending only on the NFT is like having a room with the Mona Lisa in it and someone sells you the right to say \"I have full control over the use of this door to enter the room.\". But what is stopping the owner of the room to install more doors to the room?\n\nAnd this is what all the NFT scams are based on, the ability to just add more doors to the room if people depend only on the NFT and not on existing copyright contracts and laws.", "Easy, someone who thinks they'll resell it for $400.000 to someone who thinks will resell it for $500.000...", "You don't.\n\nYou don't have to, and you shouldn't want to.\n\nEasy replication is a feature of digital media, adding artificial scarcity is nothing but a scam and a way to make rich people even richer.\n\nA unique hash and a online accessible database is all you need to authenticate something like a concert or plane ticket, or whatever else real you need to authenticate.\n\nNFT solve nothing, and the thing they claim to solve isn't even a problem to begin with.\n\nFuck NFTs.", "Thanks!", "https://youtu.be/oDQXFNWuZj8?t=133", "Thanks!", "He would definitely NOT write a book about how he WOULD do it that’s for sure….", "The technology is not amazing hah", "I'm convinced NFT's are some conspiracy for the goverments to make excuses to regulate crypto. It's something that makes a really niche market look incredibly stupid.", "Bees are [born as fully formed adults](https://flic.kr/p/2m7wGPb). Would still be cool as a pet.", "Sometimes you can't find the original resolution of the image, or it's shrunk down a bit, but works for most things.", ">\tForget about links, forget about monkey pictures, it is the token and only the token that is important here, the unique hash on the blockchain that cannot be copied or edited.\n\nThat is the point. It doesn’t matter what it is. Without the central authority, it can’t be properly used. Which goes against the idea of decentralization.\n\nAs for the “bad banks taking payment fees” - that’s a whole different can of worms, which affects taxes and as following social security and support, etc. (I’m talking about normal countries here). So this idea actually harms the society instead of helping it.", "Victor, Victor Chaos. Jeesh, fellers.", "Yes, people are having parties and networking in private chats with other owners. I host one of those clubs. \n\nYes people are also using NFTs for documenting all kinds of things. The difference between an NFT and any other kind of record is the NFT is more secure than any other record on Earth.", "Buy and selling movies/video games online. \nI can't sell my 2nd hand Steam games but if they were NFTs I could.", "It does not need a central authority when literally every single person on earth can prove who holds it.\n\nIf you are worried about banks you should know that they themselves are all investing in their own blockchain technology for a reason, but now we are straying away from the topic of NFTs and going into a whole other thing. \n\nWhether you like blockchains or don't, whether you understand it or don't, it is going to become an integrated facet of every day life in the near future and if you participate in society you will be a part of it whether you know it or not.", "Ethereum name service, as in domain names for the Ethereum network that end in .eth. When you purchase a domain, you get an NFT in return that acts as a proof of ownership and allows you to manage the name, or sell it.\n\nhttps://ens.domains/", "Didnt consider that, good point!", "but... there are some NFTs out there that contain the image, and not the hyperlink. It's far and few between because of how much space that image would take on the blockchain, so hyperlinks to the image were used instead. The actual image NFTs are low in quality due to the costs, likely pixel art.", ">I think the thing that still gets me though is that say you're buying an original Picasso piece then you are buying that original Picasso piece.\n\nThere is, in theory, an original digital image. Let's say I copied a Picasso in an absolute sense. I use a 3d printer to literally recreate every brush stroke. Is that priceless too? Why isn't the print worth at least SOMETHING near the value of the Picasso original? Surely whatever made Guernica AMAZING wouldn't be lost because a brush stroke were .00001 inches off. \n\nIn order to talk about this you have to acknowledge that there is something intangible and illogical or at least romantic about original works of art. I'm not arguing that the original Picasso exists, I'm demanding an explanation of why it has an ounce of value above a print. I'm convinced, but open to argument, that there is no logical or material reason. It's all romance. And that's fine! But it's that romance, that originality, that NFTs are trying to capture in the digital space. \n\nTo beat the dead horse a bit: \n>An NFT isn't really the original piece itself it's a certificate of ownership that's been tied to that piece\n\nI'm saying that this isn't all that different from a guy who owns the original Picasso and the people who have Picasso prints. The owner of the NFT has the original, the owner of the print has the pragmatic practical equivalent. \n\n>it really feels like just a simulacrum of ownership\n\nThat's sort of the rub. The reason original works of art are valuable is inherently illogical. It all rests on the romance that someone long ago actually touched something as opposed to it rolling off a printer or rolling off the block chain. \n\nI'm not sure you're wrong, I'm just sort of taking a devil's advocate position and trying to dig deeper into this concept with an open mind myself.", ">\tIt does not need a central authority when literally every single person on earth can prove who holds it.\n\nThe problem is that holding/owning the token doesn’t prove anything aside from it. That current amount of scam shows that perfectly, not to mention, that platforms are unreliable as well.\n\nIt may have the unique ID but it has no reliability.", "Honestly they're pretty much everywhere in the larger cities too.\n\nI'm from a significantly bigger city in Missouri and the people there are mostly the same. Short of living in KC or STL, I'm starting to think the whole state is a lost cause. Even the largest two cities look like they're desperately trying to escape the state.", "> The only functional difference is that some people are agreeing to say \"well when you press the button to generate another copy of this image, THIS is the real one\"\n\nAgreed - and this is a big deal. There's no functional difference in basically any collectible, whether it's stamps, baseball cards or art, but how people value them varies massively. NFTs streamline the process of saying \"THIS is the real one\".", "any laws would be SO difficult to enforce, AND they'd have to be regulated as well which is pretty fucky so chances are this bullshit is just dead out of the gate until quite a lot changes.", "I have no doubt that scammers are everywhere and NFTs are, as a new wild west, rife with them. \n\nI do want to talk about the core idea, however. \n\nI doubt that oxygen degradation is inherent to the quality of the original painting. If anything it's a flaw and to the extent the original caused some human emotional response and/or moved the concept of art further along development, perfect copies of the original would be just as if not more valuable. \n\nThe fundamental question about \"What makes a work of art revolutionary, important, and/or valuable?\" is a different question than \"Why wouldn't a perfect visual copy of a visual medium not be worth the same amount considering it's importance was entirely based on it being perceived by the human eye?\" And THAT FACT is, to me, KIND OF WEIRD! Shouldn't they be the same question?? \n\nThe original Picasso painting (well, he was the rare painter famous in his lifetime so maybe I should have gone with van Gogh) wasn't important because Picasso, Titan of Art, had touched it. That's backwards. He became a Titan of Art because he painted Guernica! People saw Guernica and it moved them. Is this not it's value? So isn't that value conveyed by a perfect recreation of the original in the form of a print? When and How did the composition of the value of Guernica change from \"This is important because of what it is.\" to \"This is important because of who did it.\"? It's a weird feedback loop where Guernica has became famous because Picasso made it and Picasso is famous because he painted Guernica. I don't want to reduce Picasso to one painting but this line is true of all his paintings no? \"Do you like this?\" \"Oh it's ok.\" \"Well, PICASSO painted it.\" \"OOOHHH!\" \n\nSurely you admit we're at least knee deep in some illogical / romantic business here, right?", "> Just about every legitimate application for blockchain/NFT essentially boils down to a system where you could use them to do some of the back-end work, but at essentially no functional advantage in practice.\n\nThis is untrue. A git code repository is in essence a blockchain and creates a historical record of all the commits made. Blockchain is really useful for something like this. The problem is most people think blockchain is something it is not.\n\nNFTs are just bogus", "This is actually a good point, so I'll need to update my example because my original point still stands. If you made an EXACT copy of the Mona Lisa - same paint, same aging effects, same everything down to the atom - the value of yours would still be almost zero as compared to the one in the Louvre if people knew it was a copy.", "You actually do not. These are functional data which are exempt from copyright law.", "I tried to explain this to people for month, thank you so much for this!", "So you're saying nfts are as harmful as needlessly lighting up every house in the country before leds became common? That's terrible lol.", "Having one gives you access to an exclusive club where you to can meet other duped morons with too much money.", "It proves you hold that token and you can take it to anyone else and show them that token and they can verify that you own it. Party A to party B, no C, D, E or any other party. 100% verifiable guaranteed that this token minted from this person that represents this thing is held and owned by you. You can disagree if you like but you are just arguing something that is verifiably false.\n\nThe block chain cannot be stopped unless every single person using it stops using it or there is an extinction level solar flair that kills every electronic device on earth. It is peer to peer and possibly the single most reliable thing humans have ever invented.\n\nYou do not understand NFTs and you do not understand blockchains, and more importantly I am obviously doing a terrible job of teaching you. I urge you to actually learn about this thing that you seem to hate so much that you are willing to spend hours arguing with a random stranger from the other side of the world about on Reddit. I am not expecting you to come away from it loving it, but I do hope you can at least hate on it for valid and educated reasons.", "Then you'd have to calculate how much energy it would take for ethereum to do every transaction currently done with dollars. It would be insanely high.", "This is EXACTLY the metaphor I use to explain it to people", "I fully suspect the NFT marketplace is full of bullshit and snake oil salesmen. I think the idea is interesting. I think the actual practice is a wild west full of bullshit and grift.", "Then the Blockchain won't even be decentralized anymore. What would be the point of nfts then?", "no clue why but i still open the source rather than using dev tools. \nIts burned in like an oled", "Concert tickets. Healthcare records (like it can only be \"checked out\" by one org at a time)., Those are the best examples I can think of", "No denying they’ve done well since 2008 up until the point they decided to bailout Melvin Capital. \n\nIn regards to pfof and trading against retail it’s definitely advantageous to be a Hedge Fund with Market Making capabilities, as well has having your own internalizers (Citadel Connect ™️). That’s another way of saying “Citadel is front running retail traders” which is stealing. They’re not providing best execution. \n\nKen Griffin also perjured himself in front of The Congressional Committee on Finance during the GameStop hearing. In regards to the trading restrictions implemented by RH. \n\nIf things were going as swimmingly as you claim them to be, why did Citadel just recently update withdrawal policies for their clients, limiting their ability to withdraw more than 6.25% of their portfolio quarterly without incurring a penalty ([source](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-06/millennium-citadel-winning-the-war-to-keep-client-cash-longer)?\n\nEdit: I forgot to add that pfof is banned in several countries’ markets and is currently being debated in the chambers of US Congress whether or not it should be legal. \n\nRobinhood has no more user base either. Since they deleted the buy button they have experienced mass exodus. Their current share price reflects the direction in which the company is heading.", ">pay the $50 for the tiny piece of Scotland\n\nSide note, there is no legitimacy in it. Its not actually lawful for these companies to sell the land in the first place.", "The governor before him was a women. I think you are referring to our former attorney general.", "I get this. But why is a print of a painting worth virtually nothing, and the original can be worth millions? Surely the aspect of the painting that is grand is entirely captured within the bands of light perceived by a human eyeball. The guy who owns a Matisse painting and sees value in it as he gazes at it upon his wall isn't getting anything more than me staring at my print. Why is the original so valuable? It originally wasn't valuable because Matisse painted it. On the contrary, Matisse became famous because he generated images like he did. \n\nWhy is a Mickey Mantle baseball card worth anything at all?", "its a bubble within the bubble, so you not only bear the risk of etherium bubble to burst, but also the one that the nft one pops.", "I saw multiple studio thinking of integrating nft into their games. Some backed down because people were angry at them not because they didn't want to.", "That's NTFS you silly goose!", "The comment you replied to was elaborate and well written but completely dodged this point. People say that buying NFT art is about speculating on value, proving ownership, and decentralized control, right?\n\nWell how is any of that remotely true when:\n\n1) You don’t actually own NFT Art, you ‘own’ reference files that point to it (the smart contract and ipfs link)\n\n2) Your reference file is only unique if it’s the first one, but multiple reference files can exist. So unless people care about who ‘owned’ it first, the creator can sell multiple ‘originals’\n\n3) Like you said, if the art is audio, video or an image, it can easily be copied by those who don’t care about ownership of originals or proving ownership. \n\nAt least as it relates to art, it’s basically like those certificates that try to demonstrate authenticity and rarity of a comic book. Some guy pays $100k for the first issue of X-Men (1991). Somehow they verify it’s the first one ever to be printed. The certificate is the ‘proof’. But it was part of a production run where 50,000 were printed. And then there were 100,000 reprints years later. And several other reprints years later.\n\nAnyone who doesn’t care about literally owning the first one can just buy one of those first 49,999, the second print run, or later reprints. \n\nOr if they really don’t care can take your copy and photo copy it. \n\nNone of this requires a certificate.\n\n4. Which brings me to my last point. If everything is decentralized, what happens if the buyer does something wrong and ‘ownership’ needs to be taken back?\n\nSay if the buyer of the NFT did it through fraud or something. How does the artist or any authority take the asset back if the provenance rests solely with the owner?\n\n‘Take his/her wallet.’\n\nCentralized. If the ‘ownership’ of an NFT is part of what determines value and digital provenance then if it’s that simple, that undermines the argument that ownership is worth much at all. It also undermines the idea that everything is decentralized.\n\nIf it’s not that simple, and everything is truly decentralized then the fraudster can never be held accountable in anyway that revokes their ownership.", ">The cryptocurrencies that matter the most (Bitcoin in particular) are unhackable. That fact that shitcoins get hacked doesn't invalidate the existence of good cryptocurrencies \n\nRidculous.\n\nFirst, it's the exchanges and other supporting infrastructure that gets hacked. It happens literally everyday. There's websites that do nothing but report on all the pwnage.\n\nSecondly, bitcoin itself is quite hackable. The first true quantum computer will completely invalidate the private public key encryption system, rendering the entire blockchain open to arbitrary modification. While there are algorithms that are more resistant, no current blockchain uses them. \n\nThe nanosecond quantum computers become commercially available, bitcoin and ETH will be worth absolutely nothing. Zero.\n\nYou think China will announce they have a quantum computer, or just use it to destroy your stupid fake money?", "Flicker?", "Because when you own it, you can take it home, or choose where it’s displayed. Compared to it being in the museum already, and you just pay them to tell people you own it, when you had no say in where it goes or what to do with it", "Digital Art is farm from worthless. NFT's in their current form are. A graphic designer who does designs for a website for a business, is that worthless? That is digital art in a form. Logos for a business are digital art, is that also worthless? No.", "Uh, isn't that what deeds are for?\n\nDoesn't matter what Grandpa writes in his will; he can't give away things he doesn't own. I can write in my will that my sister gets the Hope Diamond upon my death, but that doesn't mean it will ever happen.", ">\tIt proves you hold that token and you can take it to anyone else and show them that token and they can verify that you own it\n\nThe token itself proves nothing. It doesn’t matter that you hold it, it can’t prove anything aside from the fact, that you hold it. Because it has no legal value to prove anything else.\n\n>\tbut I do hope you can at least hate on it for valid and educated reasons.\n\nYou mean the scam, protecting IP theft and blocking out the original IP owners and creators? Like OpenSea in example, that first ignored the artists, then turned off the complaint form and only after the huge outrage said that they may look into it? Is this still not a reason enough?", "Hey now. You don't have to be a hobo to do PCP.", "It's basically like a signature from an artist. It has no inherent value or rights attached to it.\n\nArtists can create infinite copies of their own artwork and sign them, regardless of NFTs.\n\nStill people feel it has value. Heck, people even think a piece of clothing just with a particular logo on it has more value than without it.\n\nPersonally I think it makes perfect sense to use NFTs that way, but it doesn't magically make pictures incredibly valuable. Nor does it makes sense for random people to put signatures on other people's artwork, obviously.", "What sort of size are we talking here?", "The tech is interesting. Blockchain is a cool piece of tech. Just because we made a cool piece of tech doesn't mean it suddenly needs a use. Blockchain doesn't have a use after years of people looking for it to have one. We landed at idiots thinks it's the one think that will save them all financially. Crypto bros earned their reputation for a reason, they talk absolute shite to try and convince people Blockchain in its current form is the greatest thing since sliced bread so they themselves may make more money. It's currently a platform for scamming and nothing more sadly. You say the future is bright, why do you believe so? What would you like to see Blockchain utilized and what is your end goal application for the tech?", "Art is meant to be experienced not owned", "I didn't feel like pausing the video but kept wondering if it's dirty nails or just faded nail polish. Don't really care about the crumpled shirt but a bit of soap on those hands...", "The interviewer has a terrifying epiphany when he thought about it out loud", "It likely was to be a secure non traceable currency people could use but it has failed on this. Like you said it's so volatile it's worthless to use and no government accepts it as real money. I'm sure it started from a good place but now it's morphed into just gambling.", "When people talked about doing things like reading the news online, or watch TV, listen to music, etc back in the early 90s they'd get laughed at because...well, why would you do that? I can already do that without the internet.\n\nNot saying NFTs and newspapers are analogous, but we have seen similar attitudes expressed about technology that ended up being transformative before.\n\nIn a general sense, NFTs are useful for establishing ownership through a service that is not run by any authority that can then rescind or transfer ownership without your will. Turning pokemon cards into an NFT is probably worthless, if Game Freak wants to let you trade cards online they can do that with an internal database. This is more useful for establishing things like digital identity.", ">\tOn windows IE also saved everything to an easy to find cache folder so sometimes it was already on your system.\n\nThis seems pretty bad from a security perspective no ?", "And one day you might open box its stored in to find the ‘gold’ you originally purchased is now just a lump of shit", "Oh no... the NFT shills come to Reddit now", "Why would a vendor that doesn't want reselling offer NFTs?", "NFT art is absolutely a scam. Penny stocks for digital artists where the beneficiary isn’t even usually the artist, it’s whoever convinces the artist to ‘let them help’ aka mint\n\nAnd those people art shark capitalists who already own everything", "True. But that air sometimes comes from the rectum of a hot gamer girl on Twitch", "Now you too can evade the IRS!", "Both baseball cards and beanie babys are pretty famous for value crashing hard.", "As an artist who talks to lots of other artists, yes. So much misinformation in this thread, but lots of digital artists are finally able to make a living where that wasn't possible before and collectors are can collect in a more meaningful way than \"right click save\"", "Yes it does, it proves who minted it, what it represents, which wallets it was exchanged to, and who currently holds it. In my band selling tickets example, it is 100% verifiable if the token someone presents is a real ticket or not.\n\nScammers are one thing but that's a failing in people, not the blockchain. It's like saying the internet is to blame for Nigerian prince scammers.", "At least my pet rock is ‘there’. With NFT Art you have to just trust that one day the source file isn’t just changed to point to something else", "It’s been the ‘future’ for the last 10 years", "Doesn’t seem as bright as the other guy at all.", "This is called copyminting and is caught and flagged. \n\nKnow where this thing also happens? In the real world. Artists have their work stolen from big brands like Urban Outfitters and from crappy online brands who make money from work they didn't create. Doesn't mean buying tshirts or prints online is a scam.", "This is correct", "Define \"likely\".", "That’s not the point people are trying to make when they say ‘you don’t own the image’ \n\nThey are trying to say proving you own the image is pointless and valueless to them.", "Those duplicate NFTs aren't valid, won't necessarily sell, and will be flagged by every marketplace and therefor hold no value. \n\nThe same thing happens in the real world with physical goods", "You only proved you’re a moron. Try again.\n\nI kid, I kid!", "I don't think the creators of NFTs were designing a money laundering scheme when they had the idea.", ">\tIn my band selling tickets example, it is 100% verifiable if the token someone presents is real or not.\n\nSure. No way to prove if seller is a scammer or not.\n\n>\tScammers are one thing but that's a failing in people, not the blockchain. It's like saying the internet is to blame for Nigerian prince scammers.\n\nNo, it’s not. To create an NFT you don’t have to prove the ownership but to take it down you need a lawyer.\nThat’s the initial design failure. The main idea behind this technology has a one massive hole.\n\nEdit: just in comparison - to trade on any other online platform, you must provide your personal/company details, commercial licenses and permissions from each manufacturer (or your own certificate if you are the manufacturer) for all the goods you’re selling. I don’t understand why it’s never applied to the NFT and pretty sure that is the main reason people find it untrustworthy.", "Have you ever heard of chargebacks?", "You own it the same way you own a patent or other IP, it's a notary record and the value ultimately depends on the way it's interpreted by other people.", "You can disable the right of transfer in the smart contract so NFTs themselves aren’t inherently transferable. Most are of course but they don’t have to be.\n\nLoads of reasons; use as an independent transparency or audit log, as proof of purchase or a receipt, to record ownership of something digital (such as a website domain like ENS).\n\nPeople often also think about only the application layer in these debates so only think about what blockchains can’t do. Blockchains have much easier access to financial rails and liquidity; if your application needs or would be improved by a liquid market or uncensored payment rails then integration with blockchains would be perfectly valid to open access to that liquidity. I can’t just write an application in Ruby on Rails that would have access to billions in liquidity anonymously and without filling out lots of forms and finding investors.", "Don't say that too loud or Konami will make YGO NFTs. \n\nThey already are trying to sell uncensored versions of cards they already published.", "Wow, that sounds great actually. Proof of domain ownership has been impossible until this came along. That's why no websites existed until NFTs.", "Are you assuming that the assholes getting rich at the top of the cryptocurrency pyramid can't fly around the world in private jets", "Good question. Venues for sure making sure the ticket they accept isn't a fake. Since it is extremely tough to hack the blockchain and change data there, a venue can have an extremely high degree of confidence in a ticket on the blockchain. \n\n\nThen there are the ticket holders. You don't have to hold a paper ticket you could lose, and if you decide to sell it, you can sell the ticket without having to mail it, etc and the recipient can receive it digitally \n\n\nThen there are the artists who could add royalties to the ticket sales and any that sell on secondary, they can receive a small royalty on that secondary sale\n\nLots of benefits all around", "Okay the NFTBay thing is pretty funny, but you guys realize that nobody involved in NFTs is actually getting upset that ppl are right clicking their pics, right? I think that some people legitimately think they are owning ppl by doing this", "That's not green! Wasting energy on this is the problem, that renewable generated energy could be used to offset coal use somewhere else.", "The one thing that always annoys me is “digital artists are now finally paid for their work” idea. When artists are almost never paid for individual sales, but commissions for commercial projects. The only reason they’re making money from NFTs is because other people said they’ll become more valuable as time goes on. So people are buying into things with the idea that their market will just keep growing with no plans for actual value added.\n\nBut what’s the future plan for NFT art? What’s going to make them more valuable going forward? The only value is whatever the next person in the line of people is willing to pay and that’s not a great way to invest. That’s basically playing off of hype in a new market rife with grifters.", "Provenance is already a big deal in the physical art world, and which one is the original on the blockchain is decided by the artist. There are lots of verification tools in the NFT world, and every marketplace takes it very seriously.\n\nSure you CAN copy work and post it up to make a quick buck, but it gets found out and taken down or flagged very quickly and has zero resale value just like physical pieces in the real world", "There are lots of ways to prove authenticity and the contract is not with an anonymous person. There's loads of validation and checking of provenance in the NFT world.", "\\>\"How does one confirm originality/authenticity in a purely digital medium?\"\n\nYou don't, originality does not make any sense in digital mediums and I would argue it makes not too much sense in analog mediums, besides human obsession with it.", "Yeah, it's not quite that simple, but ok", "These are fantastic", "I applaud your effort to avoid answering the question.\n\nWhy would a vendor that doesn't want reselling offer NFTs?", "shit explanation, anyone can mint a new nft even if it's a replication of an old one", "Ultimately contracts are only valuable to the degree they are enforceable. If states decide to not enforce blockchain contracts, their value is very limited.", "The ability for anyone to freely enjoy a creator’s work is one of the things I like most about NFTs.\n\nCreators get to share their work around the world for anyone to see, and they are still getting paid fairly for doing so, and at the same time absolutely no-one is forcing you to pay, or diminishing your experience (or turning you into a revenue stream) for viewing it. \n\nThat’s magical by our current standards.\n\nThe reason people purchase NFTs (other than price speculation) is that if you are verifiably the owner (something which is impossible by copying the picture, or by purchasing an item from an imposter collection) you get access to utility, which is commonly member-only experiences (games, communities and events) and additional airdrops which can also be speculated on.\n\nSince NFTs are an open standard, they can be openly adopted and integrated by anyone. This allows them to be reused in any number of applications (unlock your car, event ticketing, clothing, etc).\n\nCurrent energy consumption is undeniably awful, though at Ethereum’s inception (the dominant blockchain for NFTs), Proof of Work (complex, electricity wasting mathematical puzzle solving) was the only tried and true mechanism for ensuring consensus between actors without relying upon trust between them.\n\nEthereum is in the process of transitioning into Proof of Stake, which will use substantially less energy (>99%).\n\nThis is easier said than done, since the developers will be changing the fundamental underpinning of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of monetary value stored in smart contracts. In the long term, the relative energy consumed to this point will diminish in comparison to the value the blockchain will provide. You will only have to compare it to Bitcoin, which will continue to use Proof of Work.", "If it's so easy to fork to a quantum computer resistant algorythm, then why hasn't it already happened?\n\nI'll give you a hint. It's because literally everyone's private key would have to change, overnight. Anyone who doesn't immediately get on the new bandwagon and generate a new key for the new paradigm would be forever locked out of their wallets, including their cold wallets.\n\nWhich is to say, it's not possible. It's not going to happen, and the top tier minds of the ponzi scheme know this. That's bag day, when you in particular are left holding onto worthless bits.", "do you start every reply with \"what?\" because you think you're right?", "I mean... it's equally as useless.", "My friend did this. He bought a piece and then when he was at work, which was a call center, anytime a boss or anyone tried to ask him he would make them call him Lord. It was absolutely hilarious and totally worth it", "\n>If Valve bans my specific skin, it can't be used in CS:GO. So why would anyone want to buy it from me at that point? \n\nIf valve started banning individuals NFTs then all of the NFTs would drop in value. It would defeat the purpose of having an NFT marketplace that was independent of Valve's servers. \n\n>There's nothing inherent about NFTs that provides this property.\n\nYou arent reliant on steam's servers for trading, there is value in that.\n\nIt would also allow for purchase and trading of skins with any currency, crypto or otherwise.\n\nIt would also allow for anonymous trading of skins.\n\nIt would also allow for taking loans out against the value of your skins.\n\nYou seriously lack imagination.", "Well technically, most NFT are just defined by what the Smart Contract says.\n\nIt has exactly the same value as a paper contract would. If the contract says that you are the owner of the artwork, and can make commercial income by selling publications right to it, then you can. \n\nIf a buyer and an artist meet at a lawyer. Write a paper saying that you are now the legal owner of that artwork. You, the artist and the lawyer then sign that paper document.\n\nAnd you now own the physical artwork, and a document that certificates authenticity and ownership.\n\nWith a NFT of a digital image. Anyone can copy the image itself. But you will never be able to create a certificate saying that you are the owner. \n\nYou could create another certificate, but it won't be signed by the real artist. You can have it signed by someone who pretends to be the artist, but anyone can check if it is a real or a fake.", "Then I don’t understand the question. NFTs are just ownership of a unique asset, not limited to artwork. Plenty have no artwork at all.\n\nWhy wouldn’t transparency & audit logs or access to liquidity be an answer to that?", "Everyone knows what crypto is now, it’s not 2015 anymore.\n\nThats like saying “dollar currency” instead of “Dollars”", "We'll see. I am betting there are some people who care enough.\n\nCan you explain the money laundering theory in detail? Or provide a source?", ">Being mad at the comparison of \"me hanging a mona lisa poster\" argument.\n\nExcept it isn't like hanging a poster of the Mona Lisa, it is like hanging an exact stroke for stroke painted replica of the Mona Lisa that would be impossible to tell the difference of without a certificate. You understand this right?", "I saw NFTS for sale, artworks. So I screenshot it and now I have it. How can people pay for it?", "RemindMe! 5 Years", "And who owns that block chain? Or at least who recognizes it as the repository for legitimate sales and what is to stop me from selling my art via one NFT block chain and then selling it again on another?", "Uh huh. People said the same about Bitcoin.", "To me it's not a hard question who owns it more. The \"right clicker\" does. No one can erase an image from my hard drive without physical access to it. Meanwhile, and it's also covered in the video, the initial image pointed to by NFT is not immutable. Some shmuck buys an ape NFT and it's all fine until it isn't. One day the image NFT pointed to is replaced with an image of a rug. Meanhwile, under no circumstances my hard drive can be filled with pictures of rugs without my permission.\n\nA right clicker owns a copy of some data. A copy is not original, but it's still something. NFTs doesn't let you own anything. A hyperlink is nothing.", "There is litelary people dad did that... People are also unsure that there are even fakes around to this day which cant be told apart.\nAnd in crypto, you have a certificate and a history of all owners. Which he explains here. And people be like \"right click steal LOL\". Well no, that's not how it works.\n(Besides people actually getting mad if someone copy pastes lol)the argument is just as stupid as the arguments people state to show \"it's bad\". However it still has truth to it.\n\nExample: wolfgang beltracchi. \n\nAlso the argument is even better FOR NFT's tech if i look at all those mad online artists getting their art stolen..(rightfully) \"well just copy paste lol\"", "Democracy and capitalism dont really work hand in hand.\n\nIm sure you would know that. \n\n[Web3 is an attempt to divert power from the wealthy](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4L5sss5PINjNHVhuWuYzhTTuQmbQ5nvgnPA&usqp=CAU)\n\nYou are acting like the current system works.\n\nFinancial crime is already rampant and carried out on much larger scales than it is in cryptocurrency.\n\nThis is the very nature of capitalism. To exploit everything as much as one can for personal benefit.", "And later someone will change your star to a goatse image.", "How is that meaningfully different from 'a database'? You're basically recording 'person A' owns 'thing B'. That's a solved problem - quite comprehensively so. Especially for something that has a single source of truth that has implicit authority, like a company storing a load of barrels in their basement - they're already going to be tracking who owns what, if they want to sub-partition property they can already do so, none of this requires Blockchain or NFTs.", "Scamming the gullible or unfortunate", "You said:\n\n>And if you want to sell or transfer those rights and the vendor does not allow it?\n\nAnd I'm asking why a vendor that doesn't want reselling would offer NFTs in the first place, if one of the things NFTs would make possible is reselling even if the vendor doesn't want reselling.", "If he was right, wouldn't he be rich? He owns ALL the NFTs now and can sell them at market value. OR, is fundamentally missing the point of NFTs and how network effects + provable authenticity drives value?", "it literally doesn’t work that way. Unlike traditional games and movies etc, only purpose of NFTs other than non-fungibility is OG value. You can just right click save and expect it to be as valued as the OG lol.", "ROASTED!!!!!", "Yeah because at least there's a reason to do those things. This waste is going towards a dogshit drawing of a lion.", "People have made lots of money from it, it's not like there isn't a market there if you read up on it", "The NFT itself however does have a cost that we're all paying for. The energy consumption required to create them at a time when the devastating effects of climate change are looming over our heads is grossly irresponsible.", "Scotland doesn't give or recognise titles like that anyway.\n\nA \"Laird\" (which isn't even the same thing as a lord) is a courtesy title given by the community to someone who owns a vast estate. It has no legal recognition. \n\nOwning a souvenir plot will not entitle you to anything much less being called laird by Scottish people.\n\nIt's like buying a rock and expecting everyone to refer to you as \"The guy with the castle\"", "1. No, I'm not.\n2. Didn't say that.\n3. Don't care what the FAQ from the company selling it says.\n4. NFTs that are identical in every way except the underlying code are not valuable. Still NFTs, technically. Just not what most people think of when they say NFT.\n5. You have it backwards. Creating an NFT and selling it as unique, then selling another identical one will destroy your ability to sell future NFTs at high prices. If you think hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue is not stopping NFT artists from selling duplicates of their NFTs, then I only have one question for you:\n\nWhy doesn't the creator of the Bored Apes series simply sell duplicates of his highest priced NFTs?\n\nIf they sold a particular NFT for $5 million, why not just sell it again? Why aren't they doing that?", "There are applications of NFTs that will provide value for people’s lives. And either way, it’s hypocritical to act high and mighty about the emissions of something you don’t do while participating in optional activities that are orders of magnitude more destructive.", "Block chain is very good but like others said it’s been around for a while now. It’s the way NFTs are being marketed to people that’s dumb.", ">An acceleration to climate change and spiraling energy costs because of the absurd electricity and cooling costs of the intentionally inefficient blockchain algorithms.\n\nProof Of Work exists because it was the only known solution. Most \"blockchains\" aren't really blockchains because they are extremely centralized and thus consume little to no electricity. \n\nThe only 2 blockchains that consume a lot of electricity are bitcoin and ethereum. \n\nBitcoin will slowly die out as it loses relevancy. \n\nEthereum is switching to proof of stake in 2022. Limited POS is currently running on ethereum and a public testnet for the merge to full POS is live right now if you dont believe me. \n\nPOS removes the \"inefficient blockchain algorithm\" and reduces energy usage by >99%.\n\n>Fucking video cards will never, ever be cheaper again. Never. Not so long as their primary users are crytocurrrency miners. ETH has been saying they are moving to PoS for years. It never happens, but if it does, the miners will just move over to shit alt-coins instead.\n\nThe only blockchain that people by graphics cards for is ethereum. When it switches to POS, graphics card demand should drop significantly.", "Most people in the comments are here because they’re salty they’ve been priced out up upgrading their graphics card.", "There’s no reason to eat meat beyond personal pleasure, you don’t need it to survive so I really don’t see how it’s any better than stupid applications of NFTs like meme drawings etc, in fact meat it worse because it’s orders of magnitude worse for the environment. \n\nAnd there are other uses for NFTs that are actually practical and useful.", "So fucking rude.", "NFTs don't have to be sellable/transferrable, it's up to the publisher of each NFT to define that although they are by default. You can prevent sale/transfer by adding a require statement in the `transferFrom` function in the smart contract.", "nfts verify you own it, from the source creator / collection. \n\nthere are tons of newer nfts that allow their users a private membership, free airdrops, etc, so there is utility when you own an nft from a collection. so really the value is determined by the community and the creators\n\nyeah there are a ton of stupid nfts that are just poor cash grabs, most people will just view all nfts as that", "So being resellable isn't an advantage of NFTs over a database then?", "I've some that are literally just screenshots of random code in a terminal and they were supposedly going for thousands", "Congrats, you just described IE in general.", "To be fucking honest, this whole NFT thing is just a waste of resources and nonsense.", "I wonder what this will mushroom into", "Why would it be that binary? It's really down to the use-case.\n\nIt can be if the publisher/developer of the smart contracts allows for sale or transfer. Lets say I own a ticketing company and I publish my tickets as NFTs for transparency reasons. The event orgnaiser of an event on my platform enables resale of these NFT tickets. In this case the users would be able to resell their tickets on any platform of their choosing and be able to request it in any currency they want.\n\nIn a web2.0 context you'd need to look for secondary market platforms that support the site you made the original purchase on (e.g. StubHub, TicketSwap). If there's none then you're out of luck, if there is some then you'll likely have large restrictions on the service fees and where/how you sell that.\n\nFor use-cases that do enable re-selling (digital trading cards, artwork, most NFTs) then this is still a primary benefit above a database in the sense that I can choose the conditions of my sale as the NFT itself is interoperable and an open standard. The point here isn't the re-selling, more that it is impossible for the author or platform to prevent you from selling - something traditional companies can do easily if they decide you don't meet their standards for service.", "\"the governor of Missouri\"\n\n...nuff said", "No, it just requires consent between two people.", "It's like people's imagination and creativity ends at their own bias... \n\nHow do you force transfer a deed in real life? A contract. The idea that things like that can't digitally exist are circulated by people who would never read a EULA. \n\nThanks for trying to educate. Full disclosure; I am NOT in the NFT or crypto scene at ALL but I am learning. This is helpful.", "You can always compare the original asset creation date, tracing back the transactions, and the older one is your true nft.", "I’ve made enough money from NFTs this year to quit my job and travel the world. I laugh to myself heartily when I see these posts of people who have no idea what they’re talking about.", "I'm vegatarian and I still think NFTs are stupider than eating meat.", "I think if there's a path forward people will talk about. There's always some that will damn the consequences. Look at current climate report that says guaranteed 1.5-2 degrees raise in global temperature that will set off cascading damages throughout the world. That's not crypto-currency-adoption doing that. \n\nThe amazing thing to me is there even is a comparision to be made. Centralization has a lot of advantages for tech. But if it's possible to have a competitor even a less efficient one it's healthy for companies.", "How am I supposed to tell which version of shitApe.jpg is the OG? And how does \"owning\" a number impart value to a particular shitApe.jpg? What happens when my hard drive crashes and that version of shitApe.jpg gets deleted? If I can simply download a new version, then the value has nothing to do with the \"art\" and everything to do with how it's delivered. What happens when that particular blockchain shuts down? You think it won't?\n\nNFT buyers are chasing Tulips. Everything old is new again. Crypto in general, but NFTs in particular, are inherently worthless until and unless they are granted legitimacy through regulatory oversight (and in the case of NFTs solid confirmation that transfer of an NFT represents legally defensible ownership of whatever it represents). \n\nThought experiment: I don't own the Brooklyn Bridge. What is stopping me from selling it as an NFT? I wonder how many people I could get to buy the Brooklyn Bridge if I tell them it's delivered through cool math games?", ">even as 12 year old I could see the hollowness and futility of this scam\n\nr/iamverysmartkid\n\n&#x200B;\n\n/s\n\nBut yeah, this NFT thing along with buying a start is just a bottomless barrel to fill with money, as long as there are gullible people to scam", "> You're making bad arguments here.\n\nI don't think so.\n\n> Dude said \"If YOU get banned\" as in a VAC ban\n\nI understood that too. I do understand that if my _account_ gets banned but my NFTs don't, I can still trade my NFTs. But nothing is preventing the company from banning my NFTs too. Ultimately I would still be relying on the good will of a central authority.", "Sorry but you're just confusing NFT's as a whole for NFT art. There are many more uses for the tech", "NFTs and buying a star are the exact same thing. It’s the same scam named for the 21st century. You might as well go “sponsor” an animal.", "This is very misleading if you watch the entire video it warns you that “when you buy an NFT you can either be purchasing the actual image ‘treasure’ or the hyperlink ‘treasure map’ “ it is up to you as a responsible adult to be wary of what you’re purchasing. Again I must say this is very misleading be aware of what you are buying off of the blockchain. Nothing is ever perfect but you are able to get what you want.", "this sounds smart but it isn’t. many nfts not only come with ownership of the media, some include commercial rights to that media and some store that media on the blockchain. \n\nnfts are the ownership layer of the internet and you will own nfts within 3 years. \n\nyou should dine in now though if you want to stay ahead of the technology curve. web3 is here.", "ITT: everyone thinking the only use for NFT's is art\n\nEdit: Getting downvoted because people don't do research outside of memes", "Or a hobo trainer.", "Looping, Layer 2, zkRollups, fiat ramps. \n\nCurrently a work in progress", "Sort of like people legitimately think they own whatever their NFT is supposed to represent?", "It’s on the blockchain with verifiable hash as well as timestamp. Quite easy to do so. It doesn’t require you to store it on your pc, once it’s uploaded to decentralised storage solutions or in blocks, it is there forever. And to your skepticism of the whole space along with “blockchains shutting down”, well, i guess you should absolutely wait and see everything go up forever. I do not know what your definition of “worthless” is. It’s worth a lot more than a lot of big tech giants or even some nations. Now to explain your “blockchain shuts down” comment, it is quite impossible to shut down a blockchain. It’s not a company. It doesn’t have a central server. Each validator/miner has a copy of the blockchain. You can run it on your laptop and have a copy of the whole blockchain. Doesn’t mean you can hijack it or stop it. (Speaking about major cryptos eth btc etc and not newer ones which could or could not be centralised). Hope it gave you some clarity and hope you are a little open minded and not just follow the herd.", "I knew these things were stupid before, now I just know why they're so stupid.", "although, i do agree about 99.99% of current NFTs are cashgrabs, but the tech is credible.", ">That’s it. Stop overthinking it. \n\nNo. Don't stop thinking about it. Not thinking about it is why people are throwing their money away with this trash. Think harder.", "I used to have a pet bee once. called him Eric....\n\nEric the 'alf bee", "Let's say I'm into golf. If I have a lifetime membership to some prestigious golf club, you could make a copy of my membership, but when you turn up at the door you won't get in because it's easy to verify that I'm a member and you just have a copy.\n\nSo I get to play golf with my other club members and you get to look at a screenshot of my membership.", "The word NFT is pretty loaded, but it's just a tech that's used because every ENS name has to be unique. I'm not expecting you to be genuinely excited about the concept, but having a community-owned domain name system for managing your identity on Ethereum is pretty cool. It can act as a regular domain that simply points at a web2/3 page, or you can use it as an identity that's easier to remember than the 0x…1b3d scramble.", "What? There's no way for a website to know dev tools are open.", "Retarded isn't enough to be used as a term to describe people who buy NFTs. Google search engine houses all NFTs that you can download for free.", "In order to fix it you would have to watermark the artwork in a way that proves that the NFT is related to the art. Like a digital signature which exists on both the NFT and image. \nThis is a hard problem tho. Because people will dewatermark images to use.", "are you that anyone?", "One thing most people do not know is that when you purchase traditional art, you also do not receive the copyright either. You purchase an original Warhol, you cannot start making and selling tshirts of that art. The copyright remains with the Warhol estate.", "Could I do the same with \"Sir\" or is there some sort of legal protection against royal titles or something?", "Would you simply be able to write a contract that says that the NFT holder is the copyright holder if the item?\n\nSimilar to how an artist can sell their music to a major label?", "Maybe I'm reading this wrong but your argument seems to be that an advantage of using NFTs for tickets is that it makes scalping easier.", "Right except: \n\n1.\tNot just the owner, but anyone can create an NFT. \n2.\tthere’s nothing original about an NFT. It’s trivially easy to create multiple NFTs representing the same underlying art. \n2.\tThe NFT does not transfer any of the usual rights of ownership, like copyright or a license to use the image.", "NFT bro: \"Sure but people make money on scams all the time so why not me?\"", "oh yeah an unregulated market of speculative monopoly money where the 0.01 % owns 99% of the wealth in crypto, where manipulation is rife, scams abound and is otherwise useless is sooooo much better. The tech is interesting but useless in real life. also we are talking about NFT here", "This was interesting. Technology is still in it's infancy and being worked out.\n\nI wish they tied these points to Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is a bit more simple and doesn't seem to have all the same problems. But I believe you can add a message to a transaction, so the doxing can happen on that chain.", "It's my understanding that the only data that's guaranteed to be distributed across multiple nodes on IPFS is the hash table used for looking up which nodes have the content you want. Nodes can cache content that has been requested recently, which means that some data does get distributed, but that's a secondary effect and not persistent. The only way to guarantee a file is available on IPFS is to \"pin\" it, which means that your ifps node will never delete the file, so all other nodes can find it on your node. If you unpin content and others didn't decide to pin it (which is likely in almost every case), your content will almost certainly disappear off the network.\n\nRight now ipfs is like a weird hybrid between privately owned fileservers and a public/free CDN with no guarantees that happens to use p2p. \n\nEthereum Swarm is closer to what you're describing, wherein uploading a file results in its data automatically being distributed across the entire network in chunks, but swarm is basically in alpha and can't be used for any serious projects yet.", "NFTs are a scam", "Seems like an interesting way to attack the blockchain, actually. If my copyrighted image was stored on the blockchain without being licensed, does that also mean it’s being shared regularly as part of maintaining the distributed ledger? What’s to stop me from e.g. using copyright strikes under ISP DMCA safe harbor programs to knock all US based crypto miners offline?", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain\n\n>\tA blockchain is a growing list of records, called blocks, that are linked together using cryptography\n\nI’m not sure what else blockchain would be if it didn’t encrypt/decrypt at every pass. Just a regular graph?", "There is no potential beyond lame cash grabs. The blockchain has been around for over a decade and no one has found a good use for it yet.", "Ok so if I'm understanding this correctly:\n\nBlockchain:. AhhahahuffdeitydadkgsjfJfakgzjfJfKgzigUf as ktwlgsirairakgzotaiskgzkgsi\n\nNft: AhhahahuffdeitydadkgsjfJfakgzjfJfKgzigUf as ktwlgsirairakgzotaiskgzkgsi\n\nPoints to www.thispicture.com (image1.png)\n\nBut there can be a second nft: AhhahahuffdeitydadkgsjfJfakgzjfJfKgzigUf as ktwlgsirairakgzotaiskgzkgsi\n\nPoints to www.thispicture.com (image1.png)\n\nBoth valid, both can be valued equally, and it's absolutely pointless?\n\nThe real values are the image itelf with it's metadata, and the actual hyperlink to the original file?", "Wtf is that fan doing", "The NFT world has been blowing my mind lately. So freaking cool and crazy.", "It would make the secondary market more open, definitely. You wouldn't be limited to a specific resale platfrom where the marketplace itself takes a X% cut.\n\nScalping itself is pretty much a wash (as in blockchain NFTs and database tickets are practically the same in terms of difficulty). You could pretty much encode the same resale rules onto a smart contract as you could for a proprietary markerplace.\n\nThe main advantage of NFTs in this instance is that you can guarantee that the ownership is legitimate. In a database system where you can't see the internals you can't guarantee that it's real - a scalper could print 100 copies of their ticket and sell it 100 times, with an NFT you can't do this because only the event organiser can create tickets.\n\nThis is where the transparency element comes in, you can see a complete guaranteed-accurate sale history of your ticket and see how it has changed hands and for how much, something you won't be able to do with TicketSwap or StubHub. You could also see whether the ticket you are buying has already been scanned (fraudulent sale). Generally speaking this transparency is better for ticket buyers.", "Makes you wonder what else our society raves about is complete and utter bullshit. Probably a lot lol", "That's stupid. I'm not doubting you, but that should be the whole point of purchasing an original.", "How much redundancy is built-in then? If one node going down doesn't break a file, that means that same part exists on another node.", "So, Star Citizen supporters?", "Bruh no. You can make a copy but it’s provably a counterfeit. Laws don’t need to be involved. Y’all don’t get it. This is just for saying you own art. If you counterfeit an NFT with utility like Bored Apes, it’s doubly pointless. You can’t get any of the membership benefits from saving the jpeg or making a new NFT. It’s not part of the collection, it’s a counterfeit that won’t show up with the real ones on opensea.", "I was surprised too. I guess a lot of people were, as it’s a very easy google search to confirm.", "Sarcasm aside, I do genuinely think it's a cool thing to have decentralized domain names. The Pirate Bay is a famous example of a site that keeps getting its name taken away. \n\nThat said, from what I've heard about the current state of .eth domains, it's still early stages and definitely not ready for mass adoption. I wouldn't necessarily call it NFT though.", "OPs account seems scammy af. This is propaganda.", "Exactly....", "Coffezilla is the cringiest fukwit on all of YouTube. Absolute clownish charlatan", "Aren't blockchains publicly viewable? What a horrid idea for elections that are supposed to have anonymous voting", "On IPFS your node is basically your own fileserver. Stuff you choose to make available gets stored there. The default behavior of the node is also to reserve some space to cache content requested by users, so if your node serves a request for a file that some other node is storing, then your node might temporarily cache that file. However, unless you want to just donate money to the cause and configure your node to be a volunteer that pins other people's content for free, your node isn't going to automatically download a bunch of content to host when you first turn it on.\n\n\nEthereum swarm does that, and the content that a node pulls down is decided by totally random distribution. Unless an entire file is smaller than 4kb, it's unlikely an entire file will ever be stored on a single swarm node (unless the owner pins a file). Every file is broken into 4kb chunks that are hashed to generate an address for the chunk. Every node has its own address in the same hash string format, and the network sends chunks of a file to nodes that have an address starting with the same characters. Eg if your node's address starts with a0bx.... and a chunk starts with a0b.... then that chunk might get sent to your node by the network. The more nodes and data on the network, the more finely it divides the chunks amongst the nodes by using more characters from the beginning of the hash to determine how to group chunks on a node.", "When You say \"no functional advantage\", are You talking about NFTs specifically or the entire crypto space? I agree on the NFT part, but there are many usecases for crypto / blockchain that provide very clear improvements over the current system and it's hard to see how anyone could possibly claim otherwise.", ">But in that case, there is no need for a decentralized Blockchain. It would be more cost-effective for the seller to have the entire ticket system on a server with similar cryptological verification of ownership.\n\nThe same way it would be more “cost effective” for everyone to run their own servers rather than use AWS, until you consider the costs of the the technical expertise required to set it up, and keep it running, and audit it to ensure it’s secure. It’s not trivial to write you own smart contracts to automatically transfer tickets when payment is received. Most places aren't going to reinvent the wheel, they're going to use the systems that already exist.\n\nIt also means that every single time you want to go to a new event every attendee will have to set up a new wallet for a new cryptological system and fund it and download the particular app to their phone, when they could just have 1 wallet that works for all events. \n\nAnd anyway, a centralised blockchain is still a blockchain, Binance Smart Chain is very centralised with 21 validators compared to Ethereum’s 11,000, still a blockchain. Being decentralised in that sense is not a core feature of blockchain. \n\n>Which (come to think of it) is also a core weakness of NFT's.\n\nOnly in applications where it’s completely fine if the central organisation ceases to exists at some point in the future. With a one off like a musical event that’s probably the case, but if you were using NFTs as proof you owned some sort of authentic good that you want to continue to own even if the manufacturer goes bust? Then it’s a major problem.", ">Scalping itself is pretty much a wash (as in blockchain NFTs and database tickets are practically the same in terms of difficulty).\n\nSo no advantage for NFTs there.\n\n>The main advantage of NFTs in this instance is that you can guarantee that the ownership is legitimate. In a database system where you can't see the internals you can't guarantee that it's real - a scalper could print 100 copies of their ticket and sell it 100 times, with an NFT you can't do this because only the event organiser can create tickets.\n\nThis still requires the trust that the ownership of the NFT is actually transferred to me after I buy it, doesn't it?\n\n>Generally speaking this transparency is better for ticket buyers.\n\nBuying directly from the original seller without any markups in between would be even better.", "Take any valuable baseball card and ask the same thing.", "Reddit is chock full of people circle jerking against crypto and NFTs.\n\nThere is some legit criticism, but there used to be legit criticism against the internet back in the day as well. This is nascent tech, it's open and permissionless by nature, so of course we'll see a lot of stupid shit and scams.\n\nBut there's a ton of interesting things being built, and we're at a similar point in time with web3 as we were with web2 back in 1990-1995. We couldn't imagine that the internet would underpin our whole lives, now look where we are.\n\nSame will happen with crypto/web3. Just a matter of time.\n\nThese bad takes always happen with disruptive tech - the visionaries get excited, the people that lack imagination call it stupid and useless.", "I had a different reply, but screw it, you didn't actually answer the most important question. [These guys will sell you an NFT deed for The Moon](https://www.diana.io/?ckattempt=1). Scam.", "I'm still annoyed by the amount of nazis on reddit, now I'm gonna look at a new board and see Tim Pool fans off the jump, and I'm supposed to give it a chance? I'll just not even give it a 2nd thought, this thing is DOA for me instantly.", "And what is the artist dies or just changes their mind?", "Sorry this is totally unrelated, but your name is tripping me out because I used to have an orc hunter named that in WoW lol", "You can pin any content you want though, so if you buy an NFT from some art auction site, you can choose to pin that NFT's content yourself so if the NFT seller shuts down their servers the NFT's stored address will still point to the file.", "lol", ">I can't sell my 2nd hand Steam games but if they were NFTs I could.\n\nThats why you will never see this happen.\n\nYou think Valve will let you sell your copy instead of selling their own?", "Apparently he had just come inside from gardening before the interview.", "That is not the problem, there are ways to make it anonymous but still still be able to validate it. \n\nThe problem is when you make elections electronic, a large proportion of the population no longer understands how the counting is done. This undermines public trust in elections even when there's nothing dodgy going on. Imagine some Trump-like politician claiming that the algorithms are rigged against him.\n\nWe need slow, laborious paper for trust.", "Why?", "You kidding? You new? Ofcourse this a thing now lmao. Now Devs just add an overlay warning \"Dev tools detected\", even video players disable the moment you press F12 and you can't access network tab in Dev tools. And press F5", "> The very nature of the NFT is what keeps the company from potentially banning it\n\nWhen I say \"ban an NFT\", I mean \"stop supporting use of a specific NFT on their platform\". The NFT would still exist, and its private key holder could still trade it, but it would essentially be worthless if it can't be used in its intended game anymore.\n\nYou're getting too hung up about what Valve would do or what it wouldn't do. The point is that it could. I just brought up that company as an example, the specific company is not relevant at all. The point is that _even with entirely tokenized NFT-based proof of in-game item ownership, you are still relying on a central authority to not just fuck you_. For the end user it is practically the same situation as what the Steam marketplace is right now.", ">So no advantage for NFTs there.\n\nOr no advantages for databases, depending on your point of reference. Databases aren't inherently better in this case.\n\n> This still requires the trust that the ownership of the NFT is actually transferred to me after I buy it, doesn't it?\n\nNot with on-chain transfers. Both the payment of money and the transfer of the NFT would be happening in the same transaction, pretty much the same as a database transaction. You transfer the other party the payment and they would transfer you the NFT. If either the payment fails to send or the NFT fails to transfer then the transaction will rollback and you'll still have your money and they'd have their NFT. You couldn't purchase an NFT without receiving it.\n\n> Buying directly from the original seller without any markups in between would be even better.\n\nAgreed! Using a blockchain marketplace is exactly this, you're tranferring money from your wallet and they are sending you the NFT directly from theirs, so it's a direct person-to-person transaction with no middleman.", "Not surprised, just reminded again how terrible copyright laws are.\n\nIf the artist fails to make a photographic copy before selling the painting that means that there can never, ever be any legal copies of that painting.\n\nIf the artist only takes a really shit phone cam picture of the artwork before selling, than the only legal copies are shit cam pictures.\n\nOr does this mean that since the artist is the copyright holder that I need to allow them access to the painting so that they can make copies, even though I bought it?\n\nWhat if I want to alter the painting? Stupid.", "I saw a documentary making a strong case that he covered for his unstable son. The glove didn't fit because it was actually his kids glove. It makes way more sense than O.J. doing it too. \n\nI would post A link, but there are MANY different ones with slightly different takes on it. Jason did it and O.J. cleaned it up", "Just make your own nft with the same picture.", "Artists do that by not publishing the .psd file that has the layering and step-by-step painting history on it.\n\nIt's a solved problem!", "People are fixating on bad examples of the usage of NFTs and its making the whole thing seem pointless. The value of an NFT is decided by the market/community, and the community typically attributes value based on traits like who sold the NFT.\n\nSure anyone can make an NFT that points to the first tweet on Twitter, but no one is going to value those NFTs unless there's a good reason to do so. Jack Dorsey selling the NFT in a public forum creates authenticity that can't be denied (to those who care), and that's why that NFT can be worth a bunch of money even though an unlimited number of clones can exist.\n\nThat makes it difficult for the average user to determine whether or not an NFT is worth buying, which is why marketplaces that bridge the real world with the blockchain exist. EG. an auction site that authenticates the artists and publically posts the auction so a specific NFT can be connected to the true owner of the content, allowing it to be identified amongst any copycats.\n\nA prominent example of this is NBA topshots. Anyone can copy NBA topshot NFTs, but no one except the official organization can post those NFTs on the NBA topshots website.\n\n\nSure some people might get scammed by buying NFTs on generic market places that claim to be authentic, but that's not unique to NFTs, it happens in the art world and pretty much everywhere else too.", "I remember someone in an AOL chat room telling me about it in the late 90s, possibly early 00s. They were totally right and I remember having fun pranking my friend by changing info on a site to say something about them. They had no idea you could edit the HTML and thought the site was really talking about them.", "You can’t pirate an NFT lol", "who asked?", "Are NFTs the next beenie baby’s?", "All artists sell prints or have Patreon, you don't need to pay to some crypto middleman to support artists.", "Hedge funds should be banned and people who run them should be in prison.", "I got 5 minutes through. I thought this was common knowledge already?", ".psd project file (or equivalent) with full layers and full painting history turned on.", "NFT’s are digital, and thus not relevant purely in the physical space. They’ll become relevant in spaces like video games, social media sites, etc. Right now people are buying expensive NFTs to use them as their profile pic, which is just dumb.", "You'd need to own it before you can donate it.", ">These posts are created by people who don’t understand NFT utility.\n\nThese comments are created by people who can't explain NFT utility.", "i literally said that most NFTs are cashgrabs. On the other hand art isn’t an investment but a luxury.", "you wouldn't funge a car", "In its present form? Lmao.", "What further utility is there with a token besides the ability to resell that specific token? That's the entire point. \n\nIt's just a digital signature with no inherent value and tying it to the digital artwork is just a tool meant to obfuscate that fact because the token does not grant you any rights or ownership of the digital artwork it's tied to.", "You dont. Intellectual property was a problem to begin with. It's not a interesting subject because the whole thing shouldnt exist as it is", "When do I get to stop hearing about fuckin NFT's. Holy crap it's so dumb lmao", "This is the stupid shit ever. Google a photo of the Mona Lisa and tell how clever you are when you set it as your wallpaper.", "Deeds aren't the best comparison. Anyone can make a copy of an nft. You can't copy a house or piece of land.", "And you get to jokingly refer to yourself as a lord.\n\nAlthough I'm sure the average person paying for a lordship labours the joke a little hard, there's always the likes of Lord Miles, explorer of Chernobyl, Kabul and South Sudan.\n\nJust don't buy one from Sealand, I think even the fake lords look down on Sealand \"nobility\".", "It's kind of a self-perpetuating cycle. A place doesn't have as many opportunities professionally or interesting things to do, so more educated people and those looking for a better life don't move there, and those who are born there who want more, leave. The place then gets worse, as those who are left average being less educated, less skilled, and less interested in anything more.\n\nAnd then on the flipside, you start to see more growth in the nearest cities (which are too far to easily commute to for work or fun) get a bump as they start attracting more and more of the people from those areas offering little to nothing.\n\nKeep going down that path and you end up with towns dying, the people left there angry that they were left behind, and the cost of living in those cities shooting up, making the people trying to get to/live in those cities unhappy as well.", "By visiting the website, you are, by definition, copying the image.", ">\tDon't yell at your mom when she brings you food you ungrateful shit.\n\nThis guy scrolled through my comment history until he found me [posting the “plate of chicken tenders” copypasta weeks ago](https://reddit.com/r/chess/comments/rar7so/_/hnlv85n/?context=1), then took it seriously. Holy shit go outside lmao", "https://www.bxieinfinity.com/airdrop?r=ccxxdz", ">Or no advantages for databases, depending on your point of reference. Databases aren't inherently better in this case.\n\nI'm not claiming they are.\n\n>Not with on-chain transfers. Both the payment of money and the transfer of the NFT would be happening in the same transaction, pretty much the same as a database transaction. You transfer the other party the payment and they would transfer you the NFT. If either the payment fails to send or the NFT fails to transfer then the transaction will rollback and you'll still have your money and they'd have their NFT. You couldn't purchase an NFT without receiving it.\n\nThis would require me to either have or aquire enough of the relevant crypto to make the transaction.\n\nSo to purchase a ticket I now need to maintain a wallet of a currency that is so instable that it is used as a vehicle for speculation, or I'd need to make a FIAT-to-crypto exchange.\n\nI'm obviously not going to buy my crypto from a random stranger, because transactions like that are not on chain, so I'll use a trusted exchange to get my crypto and hope the exchange doesn't suddenly vanish along with my wallet.\n\n>Agreed! Using a blockchain marketplace is exactly this, you're tranferring money from your wallet and they are sending you the NFT directly from theirs, so it's a direct person-to-person transaction with no middleman.\n\nI don't know if you're just being cheeky here but I'm referring to rent seeking in the secondary market here.", "But the art is the end point here. There’s no prestigious NFT club where you get to play golf with other crypto weirdos.", "Why are ticket sharks a thing then, if its so easy to verify ownership as you claim, then why are there ticket sharks?", "Does someone really need to explain to you how poor that \"analysis\" and projection are? \n\n\"This thing is new and it's only ever gone up so I predict it will continue to go up\" \n\nI mean even completely ignoring the fact that the \"only ever gone up\" part isn't true, that's a pretty shit take.", "I wonder which one of those has a lower chance of paying off at this point.", "Bruh come on. Just leave the crypto Church.", "He steals other peoples investigations and presents it as his own with the most smug demeanor possible.", "> uncensored \n\nI'm afraid to ask....what was being censored and.....what are they now showing?", "I sense the sarcasm but yeah kind of. But the club is global, talking with people from all countries, and it gets you special perks, it’s hard to explain if you’re not in one. Also not all NFTs cost money some are literally free lol, then they can gain value over time if the community is productive and others want to join it.", "\"Copyright registration\" fucking lol, do you have any idea what youre talking about?", "It does not defeat the full purpose though. For example, an NFT representing real estate ownership (validated and issued by a central authority) could be used a collateral for loans on a decentralized exchange.\n\nThis particular use cases opens up the lending market to individuals as Liquidity Providers and pretty much kills banks as they are today. Which honestly is a good thing as banks are a heavy burden on our economies with little added value.\n\nBut lots of crypto bros don't want to hear about proper legislation and government participation so we're still a few decades off.", "Your photos are wild, thanks for sharing! What kind of lens do you use to get that much of a zoom?", "Ah, that's a whole lot more wholesome than I was imagining.", "That was just one of the many things I could unpack from your comment history. Sorry I didn't realize it was a copy pasta you aren't an ungrateful shit. I retract that statement but you still go to /r/Buttcoin and haven't really taken the time to fully understand crypto, Blockchain and it's use cases and to spout off that you are somehow more aware of it's capabilities than most is ignorant at best and malicious at worst.", "Why does a skin have to be able to be be resold? Why is that better than just the basic “buy skin” and that’s it. This stupid “royalties” idea never actually answers the question of why anyone wants a secondary market for any of things mentioned, especially since secondary markets are incredibly unpopular.", "It's the \"buy your own star online\" of today..", "In the case of nft it’s speculation.", "Where's your 1\" of land in Scotland? I can go and take a shit on it for you.", "I see what you did there.", "Yeah, the software hasn't caught up with the technology yet, but it will. \n\nHave you ever tried to screenshot a Youtube video on an iPad? You can't do it. I couldn't believe it when I tried. Other desktop OSes and browsers might end up implementing similar protections.\n\nEither way, as a digital artist I find this entire situation both hilarious and dumbfounding, understanding both sides of it. While yes, you can copy it and 'digital scarcity' may seem silly, there are other applications for the NFT tech (which will be more protected - hello, NFT vehicle titles and house deeds). \n\nLike it or not though NFTs aren't going anywhere, so you should probably at least try to understand it a little bit. It's not simply a 'scam'.", "He was talking about storing stuff on a blockchain. This IPFS seems to be separate from the blockchain. The link that they showed that was pointing to the NFT started with ipfs://. I believe when he talked about google drive, he meant it as one possibility of storing an NFT, an alternative to IPFS. \n\nSo in essence when you buy an NFT, you are buying the ownership to a magnet link which points to a torrent. Anybody can see the link and download what it points to, but you are the only one that “owns” that magnet link according to that specific blockchain. Assuming that there are ways to prevent selling the same magnet link multiple times.\n\nThis is so fucking dumb. People are throwing their money away on a hope that this solution will somehow outperform existing solutions in a significant enough manner that it could make heaps of money.", "Fair point. I guess it's like collecting stamps or baseballcarts. It's not the same if you print it yourself.", "Crypto bros don’t realize the population of the republic will never respect NFTs and Cryptos as you need copy right laws to enforce NFTs and real businesses to use Crypto for it to have value. The public will always say no and thats why your fake tokens and contracts with no legal backing are a ponzj scheme.", "So we need to keep it paper for all the smooth brains. Got it. Even though we have digital trustless currency now.", "you could do all of these things more efficiently without using blockchain.", "Wow, I knew there were smooth brains on this website but Jesus fucking Christ. Now they're going to pull the morality card", ">And they are allowed to. How they spend their money is none of my business. \n\nWho is arguing about whether people are allowed to buy things?", "TLDW\n\nArtist says most NFTs today are tokens that contain links to images. The image itself is not the NFT, and the image is not stored on the blockchain.\n\nArtist says Crypto wallets currently have no spam filters, so the ability to send tokens which contain hyperlinks creates a new danger for crypto overall.\n\n@17minutes Coffee tries to focus on non-JPEG hyperlink use cases for NFTs such as contracts, deeds, or titles but it goes nowhere. The Artist guy says he’s been thinking about that a lot and then moves on.\n\nArtist guy claims the general public is too stupid to be involved in this new technology when it doesn’t have any real world use and it’s only being hyped up by celebrities and media for pump and dump schemes.\n\nTLDR for the TLDW\n\nArtist is an anti-crypto, anti-NFT shill. \nCoffee tries to play devils advocate and fails to get shill to have a meaningful conversation about good use cases for the technology.\n\n\nEdit: This summary is accurate to what was discussed in the video. Why the downvotes?", "So does that mean that NFT that gives me a deed to The Moon actually confers authentic ownership! Brilliant!\n\nWhat I think a lot of y'all don't understand is that many of us don't have a problem with \"the technology\" other than the fact that I think it's a little overblown in order to better sell the scam. Honestly, I don't even have a problem with the speculators, at least they know it's a scam and are just banking on finding a bigger idiot. I have a problem with the ones who manufacture true believers aka bigger idiots.\n\nWhat is stopping me from selling an NFT for the Brooklyn Bridge?\n\nWhat is stopping me from selling as many of those as I like?", "Well, the imperial system still exists…", "Years back, I rented a place where the only \"high\" speed internet I could get was DSL. So, I sign up for that with the phone company. As I'm signing up for it, I of course get a local land line which I have no interest in ever using.\n\nAnd of course, in that process, they tell me that my number will be published unless I pay them a monthly fee. Like hell I will. But, there's a smaller option that's free: I can choose how my name is listed. Awesome, choose a completely fake name. And then notice there's an option for a title, so I chose \"magistrate.\" And there was an option for a suffix, so I chose \"the 4th.\"\n\nAnd thus, I had an officially listed title for about a year. And every time I got a fake call asking if \"Magistrate <fake last name>\" is there, I got a nice chuckle before hanging up on them.", ">(not that trading NFTs is anywhere close to being as bad, of course.). \n\nI hate that Reddit is so daft that analogies require this kind of disclaimer.", "You're not wrong. \n\nMan, most redditors are really set on sticking their head in the sand about NFTs. \n\nIt's almost not even worth discussing here. \n\nIt's amazing that collectors have seen the value of NFTs, websites are using NFTs for fractionalized investing, a digital artwork collection has sold on Christies for nearly $69M and redditors keep repeating \"iTs a ScAm\". Ridiculous.", ">Why buy anything digital. Be a pirate.\n\nIf one has the means and the inclination, why wouldn't you support digital content creators? I don't see your point.", "I am going to guess that you are responding to someone who drank the kool aid. This whole thing is like emperor’s new clothes. As long as everyone is pretending that there is value in it, then there is value in it. So there is a huge insensitive to keep the make believe alive.", "Lol and they won't even realize they sound just like the people who do that with basically everything else. Stock markets have seen this with equities since forever.\n\nThe way people act with NFTs right now is nothing new. The tech has niche use cases, but nobody talks about those. Just \"ScArCe ArT bRo\" because that's all people hear about.\n\nPeople think NFTs are the culprit. Gen Z won't remember, but this whole thing feels like dotcoms in '99. We didn't get Hulu, Uber, Twitter etc. until after the bubble popped and all the bros went broke. Then smart people moved in and the rest is history. In the meantime, you had gullible gambling addicts buying domains with a gif of a \"coming soon\" construction worker for $10k. So many scams...\n\n\"Yeah but NFTs thooo\" Just give it time. The bros will go away eventually.", ">I don't know if you're just being cheeky here but I'm referring to rent seeking in the secondary market here.\n\nNo - misunderstood your point, thought you were referring to primary market.\n\n> So to purchase a ticket I now need to maintain a wallet of a currency that is so instable that it is used as a vehicle for speculation, or I'd need to make a FIAT-to-crypto exchange.\n\nStablecoins here would lower the risk for the most part if you wanted to manage your own custody. We work with plenty of individuals that can receive/send payments via crypto rather than via a payment gateway (e.g. Stripe, Adyen) who don't have full coverage.\n\nYou'd offer two flows, one custodial and one non-custodial. The NFT would be minted in both cases but those that wish to pay via a payment gateway would be able to do so and would likely not be too worried about the blockchain-level ownership in this case. For those that do care and wish to go via a non-custodail flow would be able to mint the NFT directly to their own address.\n\nIn that sense it's similar to the exchange analogy, some people choose to store their cryptocurrency on an exchanges, and some prefer to store it on their own blockchain wallet. In this case you'd need to offer both flows, where the custodial flow is managed on behalf of those that don't wish to claim NFT ownership.", "Jesus Christ there's so many smooth brained morons on this website. \nTake the time to figure out what this technology is doing and don't be so fucking afraid of it. It allows to to have control over your own piece of data, and the technology is just beginning. \n\nBunch of goddamn pathetic booklickers. Fucking hell. There's s not a shred of intelligence in here", "I really love how the general public thinks crypto is a joke and nfts are useless.\n\nYou remind me of the people saying \"why email? We have fax\" when someone told them about the internet. Nft ownership isn't just about the picture. It's about ownership on public ledger. The same way that a copy of the Mona Lisa isn't the real Mona Lisa.\n\n If that's too hard to comprehend then there's no point in discussion.", "Jesus Christ there's so many smooth brained morons on this website. \nTake the time to figure out what this technology is doing and don't be so fucking afraid of it. It allows to to have control over your own piece of data, and the technology is just beginning. \n\nBunch of goddamn pathetic booklickers. Fucking hell. There's s not a shred of intelligence in here", "How would you know the difference between an original painting and another done by the same artist? It would require researching the artist. Artists produce many paintings often with very almost exactly the same appearance. Some famous examples are Munch's The Scream, Cézanne's The Card Players. The point is, while there is no easy way to verify if a work is the first publications, like real physical art, you have to do research.", "n", "It’s fine they’ll come around in a few years and act like they thought they were cool all along lmao", "It’s the digital equivalent of wearing designer brands. You can buy knock offs that look exactly the same, but some people just need the real thing to flex.", "You're right. But the same can be said for almost all digital items. \n\nThe movie or book you bought from Amazon, or the game you bought on the Microsoft store or Steam. Yes, they are unlikely to go out of business, but the same concept applies. \n\nYour $100 game skin collection is heavily tied to the underlying game. As soon as it stops being popular that collection becomes worthless. NFTs in games will allow people to transfer assets. \n\nYes, perpetual storage systems need to be improved, but IPFS is pretty good and will continue to improve as more people use it. You can also host your own node and ensure the files don't get lost to internet rot.", "Atleast with Yugioh, you get a real object", "Pet peeve of mine: energy usage != Carbon emissions generated. \n\nThe actual calculations are very difficult to perform but this idea that energy usage = carbon output is just awful science\n\nedit: too add more detail, one of the key parts is that differing generation methods emit more/less carbon and some are almost truly neutral eg: generator oversupply\n\nthis is when the generator produces more power than the grid needs. you can't spin up a gas fired power-station in a few hours, it takes days. since demand fluctuates and the grid *cannot* take more than it's rated for without degrading (this is expensive to fix), engineering solutions have to be found to discharge the excess\n\nelectricity generation has been struggling with this for decades, it's not new. Solutions with physical batteries like DiNorwig provide one such solution but aren't scalable, this leads to mining rigs setting up next to generators and saying \"we'll take your oversupply from you, no hassle\" \n\nthat energy has no real carbon emission in the usual sense of the word, it would be generated anyway and is simply wastage due to the function of the grid", "Mostly cleavage. They do things like just erasing the actual cleavage lines if the character just has a low-cut top (see: Dark Magician Girl) or give the character an entirely new outfit if the original one is too skimpy (see: Harpie Lady.) \n\nThere's also some gun-themed cards that get turned into laser guns (see: Barrel Dragon) but I imagine those aren't the ones that people are interested in.", ">That said, from what I've heard about the current state of .eth domains, it's still early stages and definitely not ready for mass adoption.\n\nWhy? It's a stellar feature that has already been mass-adopted by effectively _every single_ protocol on Ethereum. If you mean mass adoption in terms of regular internet users, then you'd be right.\n\n>I wouldn't necessarily call it NFT though.\n\nThe token you get in return for registering an ENS domain is a de facto NFT, i.e. a token that follows the ERC-721 standard. It literally could not be more NFT than that; it's a token that is non-fungible.", "How have you seriously never heard of copyright registration? https://www.copyright.gov/registration/", "I've been using IPFS since before NFTs existed and I'm so disappointed to see how they got wrapped up in this grift.", "You can use real estate and art for that. Try again, with your 'big brain' regurgitated nonsense that has no factual basis.", "Equivalent to switching to plastic bottles that have “less plastic” instead of just buying a re-usable bottle.", "Data is the new oil- it's probably more valuable that physical products. This is a potential way for people to own their own data \n\nGoddamn you all are so fucking simpleminded its depressing", "Firefox is good because you can also click Tools > Page info, then show Media and scroll down to the image you want to save and save it.", ">A \"Laird\" (which isn't even the same thing as a lord) is a courtesy title \n\nWhat about a “Lard?” I’m pretty sure I could get the Scottish people behind calling me a Lard.", "Wow, great argument bro. Really made me smarter and wiser.", "Incorrect, btc has been legal tender in El Salvador for months.", "Yes. Also congrats on calling like 80% of the population smooth-brains, you must feel like a real big person.", "I don’t understand this blanket hate towards nfts. I follow two nft artists that were digital artists before and pretty much scraping by before and held regular jobs, they posted their art on Reddit and it was well received but they weren’t making money off it. Now they are able to sell their art as nfts and have followers and collectors paying them for their incredible work. \n\nWhy is this a bad thing? \n\nWhy would you cheer on someone trying to pirate these artists? \n\nMost nft artists are independent artists who are thrilled to be able to own and sell their digital work. Yes, there are grifters and scam artists in the space, just like everywhere. IMO it is easy to see who the scam artists are and avoid them. Any doubters should really look into the space for themselves and see what’s there.", "I'm sending it to my wife, she doesn't like bees", "What happens if you lose the physical deed? \n\nThere are enterprise level digital asset custody systems being built. Intelligent people are studying these markets and providing solutions. \n\nhttps://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/xe/Documents/finance/me_Digital-Custodian-Whitepaper.pdf\n\n\nhttps://www.fireblocks.com/digital-asset-custody/\n\nhttps://www.globalcustodian.com/blog/custody-digital-assets/\n\nhttps://digital-assets-custody.com/", "Eating meat is a straw man. \n\nMany people choose not to support NFTs and also don’t eat meat. Many people do what they can to minimize their impact in all areas of their life whenever possible.", "Yes, but you don’t see people speculating with selling links to movies and spending tens of thousands of dollars on it. You see people paying a “convenience” fee to be able to access a movie, a song, or a game as long as the fee is less than the trouble associated with pirating it.\n\nPeople are clamoring how this is a decentralized solution to something for which they need a centralized authority to enforce it. Brilliant!!!", ">I mean, as it is there's nothing stopping people from stealing art that hasn't been minted previously and minting their own token to sell.\n\nThis is absurdly common, and why people who go, 'bUt nFt Is GoOd fOr ArTiStS\" need to be punched in the face repeatedly.", "Yeah, everything is fine. Keep on printing money, having bank runs, spending money on remittance fees, keep data in control of all the big companies... Yeah, nothing's wrong with anything, move along. And nothing can ever be improved in life because everything is fine and dandy. How fucking smooth brained can you get", "While that's true, having something which is one of a kind is quite a bit different than having something which is #1 out of an infinite printing of identical quality as the #1. Sure, some will care about you having #1 of an infinite printing. But far more will just go, \"eh, any of the later duplicates is just as good.\"", "Maybe you should read up on why global institutions are moving to these solutions. Change is happening and people are choosing to be ignorant instead of trying to understand it.", "At this point it feels like teens who would've otherwise received 10 likes on r pics for some digital art that took them 15 minutes to make, are now just posting that same art as an NFT and claiming it's their life's work. \n\nI hope it doesn't take off. I like how it didn't for Ubisoft.", "can you sell it for 50k and join all the vip lobbys and airdrops though?", "It's not about the image. It's about being able to prove ownership of the data on the blockchain. Saving an image associated with an NFT does not do anything as you won't be able to prove ownership. If you are buying NFT's for the image you are doing it wrong as the image itself is worthless.\n\nIn the same way that Twitter is currently implementing NFT verification on their platform. If you do not own the data, you will not get verified. There might be hundreds of fake Twitter celebrity accounts. Only one will be verified by a visable checkbox. It is not hard to differentiate between fake accounts on social media these days.", "Here’s the thing: what artist that wants to monetize their copyright doesn’t take the most basic steps towards that end? \n\nIf you owned the only physical copy you do not have to let the artist access it.", "Yeah this is no accident.\n\nI mean five years ago places like Paxful and localbitcoins were the Wild West. You could convert massive amounts of cash through Western Union, Gift Cards, etc into bitcoin and vise versa. KYC has stopped some of this, but honestly very little.\n\nI love crypto and have high hopes for it’s evolution but it has basically eliminated one of the main issues of the drug trade: money transportation. There’s no longer a need to smuggle money back from the US to the cartels.", "Except you have to pay annually to a name service to lease a domain name. \n\nI purchased a couple of domains on ETH, and now I own them in perpetuity.\n\nThough I can understand why you would want to pay a subscription instead of owning something outright. /s", "No you don't, that's like saying if I photocopy a book I have the same book as you. Yeah, the text is the same, but you don't own an authentic book. \n\nLook, I know it's a difficult abstract concept, but keep trying , and I'm sure you smooth brains will get it eventually.", "You are really missing the point if your argument is simply that people made money. People make loads of money off stupid crap all the time.", "Somewhere Victor Chouse is raging", "Allowing people to own data is very valuable.", "Still doesn’t really translate. You holding an authentic physical signed card is way different than you having an authentic digitally signed digital artwork Lolol. \n\nThere’s a difference between an original signed card vs a photocopy \n\nThere’s no difference between an original nft and a screenshot other than what you claim you paid for it.", "You mean like Starbucks, PayPal, AT&T, Nike, AMC Theaters, Amazon, Visa, Mastercard, Coca Cola, Microsoft, Whole Foods, Tesla, Etsy, Burger King, KFC, and Subway? Because they all accept crypto as payment. Just because something isn't a nationally issued note or coin doesn't mean it can't be used as currency.", "It's been explained a millon times. If you guys don't get it by now you never will. JPEG, right click same thing, yada yada. Same as my grandmother saying Bitcoin is worthless for the last decade.", "Amazing that's all you took from the comment. \n\nIt explains exactly why you aren't 'getting' NFTs.", "Oh absolutely. But owning data is 100% fungible", "This website is full of the most dishonest people it amazes me every day. You took the time to explain something like this in a rational way, and all you get is downvotes.", "You realize the entire point of ticket issuance via NFTs is specifically to decentralize right? \n\nThe whole point is to remove middle men from the equation. \n\nWhen a performer wants to sell tickets to a show, they want to make some money, but then they have to go through a third party, who jacks up the price for the fan. \n\nThe world would be a lot better off with out companies like ticketmaster involved in making a 100% mark up on ticket sales. Dont forget the payment processing companies who have to take their cut, and the venue who also needs their cut. \n\nSo we need the artist, the venue and the fans, everyone else and get the fuck out.", "You're also entirely missing the point - even if you're a crypto expert, how do you verify that the actual implementation installed on the voting machine is sound? It is so much easier to sow distrust with a black box machine that it is with a piece of paper in a box.", "Since we’re on the topic. Is there a way to get the pictures to show on sites that are blocking it due to not having a paid membership or account?", "People are getting jpegs? I got a ms paint bmp", "there are billions of dollars in ETH / SOL / AVAX / MATIC being used every day , big firms and investors in the space , thousends of projects , conferences , seed investor contracts all that stuff happeneing , yeah lol nobody uses them , just top of the world tech teams and investors with millions of followers", "> any comment that tries to discuss their potential... are downvoted to oblivion... Can we not have level headed discussion \n\nProof that most people here are acting in bad faith, are emotional, and don't WANT to have a rational discussion. I think that's the saddest part.", "That may not be how it's being deployed in many cases or specifically the situation covered in the video. I was simply stating that it doesn't have to be that way, it can in fact work in the way I've described, it's apparently just very costly.", "You should check out Murat Pak. Long time digital creator turned Nft creator who is most definitely creating art experiences and using nfts and the blockchain to do so. \n\nI’m not trying to scam or sell anything, I’m just a fan. Please just google the name.", "When I was a kid we had Netscape Publisher...", "You could literally say this about any industry. Human markets aren't rational. There are twisted status symbols in all of them. Car markets, fashion, even coffee.", "We’ll see this sooner rather than later i believe, and its gonna be a shitstorm of depravity we will witness. A trainwreck we’ll all watch unfold", ">unsless\n\nThen they're not immutable.", "Y’all need better use cases than speculative trading or “database but different.” The crazies and the scammers are the most visible part of NFTs because hyping up NFTs is the core of their grift. \n\nYou should be mad at the people who made getting scammed such a common thing that it has its own slang term. Get your own house in order instead of getting mad at the people laughing at your roommates dumping shit out your windows.", "hey man. i’m sorry i’ve made you upset but you gotta understand that the fact you can launder money in old fashioned ways does not change the fact that it’s extremely easy to do it with an NFT", ">It would be detectable\n\nCool, knowing how you're getting screwed doesn't stop you getting screwed.", "Pfft I’ll take my volatile monetary value over your intrinsic value, thankyouverymuch. /s", "You’re off yer chump.", "Yep. People on both sides are right and wrong. \n \nOverall NFT is basically about copyrighting/owning digital media. The block chain is used to record the ownership. \n \nFor little token images with zero value it makes no sense but for say Rebecca Black's \"It's Friday\" YouTube video you could buy and own the rights to it. You could sue people that use it without your permission and collect royalties from the use. \n \nIt's alot like how someone owns the happy birthday song which is why people never use it in restaurants or media. \n \nFor those who say \"you can just copy them\" yes and you can take a photo of the Mona Lisa but that photo will be worth nothing while the painting is still priceless. \n \nA painting is nothing but an image but people value the original and the ownership of it. Same will be true for NFTs of digital art. There will be people who want to own famous digital art or media. \n \nThe vast majority will be worthless though. Just like real art and media. \n \nThere is some implications for video games. For example some gun skins in CS:GO are worth alot and could be bought and sold using nft tech.", "NFT bros claim that having \"authentic\" digital art is so valuable, they're willing to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on each piece. They act like it's similar to buying a painting, like they're buying it for the love of the art.\n\nIf they think art is worth so much, where were these guys before NFTs? They weren't commissioning custom pieces directly from artists. They weren't buying prints, or even one-of-a-kind paintings. The ONLY reason art NFTs have value to them is that they're part of the blockchain craze.", "Usually you could just spam right click and then hit enter real quick to close the dialog box, back to back, and if you did it fast enough you'd be able to bypass the block. Same when sites used to try to block right clicks entirely.", "Aka idiots", "Can you elaborate on these many usecases?", "Put the crack pipe down.", "A few years back, a bunch of us went to a bar, and one of the drink specials was called, \"Remember Pogs?\" which came with a pog. \n\nWe all felt old as fuck when we saw that, since we were all a few years too old to give a fuck about pogs when we were kids, and now we're staring at a thing marketing the nostalgia for something we were too old to care about in the first place.\n\nFuck.", "Part of it might have to do with the fact that art collectors don't use the word, \"Worthful\"", "Almost without fail, these issues are the ones they cannot easily address.", "I'll bring the popcorn.", "You aren't purchasing an authentic book, you're buying an entry in a registry that has a location to where a copy of the book is (and something else could be inserted into that location at any time).", "Yeah, letters from the post office are tangible. But emails aren't. They'll never catch on.\n\nAnd CDs and records are tangible. Mp3s are just files. They'll never catch on.\n\nSeriously though, you're right, it is just doing digitally what we used to do physically. Just like what email did to the post office. It's a higher abstraction. NFTs won't necessarily replace anything, it's just doing digitally what we weren't able to do before, for people that WANT to do it in a certain way.", "> NFT is really useless\n\nFor this purpose, maybe, but you're ignoring a ton of other possible applications.", "Bet this dude got paid a boatload for this video by the hedge funds. \n\nThere's a huge anti-nft push on social media right now, driven by their fear of what's to come. NFT's are about blow y'all's minds.", "If someone else comes along and makes an NFT deed on a different chain claiming ownership of the same piece of property, you run into the same issue. Who has authority?\n\nThe State that controls the traditional paper deed records has a monopoly on violence in the area the land is located and can legitimately use force to ensure “their” record is the correct one.\n\nThe government could use NFT and blockchain internally to verify accuracy of a deed as a replacement for our current system. Yes. \n\nBut in it’s current state with competing chains, without the threat of violence there’s nothing to stop someone from squatting on a property with their guns and refusing to recognize the NFT of a different blockchain. It’s non-fungible, sure, but only on each individual chain.\n\nI am a big proponent of blockchain technology for specific uses, but many of the use cases end up being solutions in search of a problem.", "At this stage I think they don't want to understand, they want to be hero's uncovering the \"scam of the century\" and down vote anyone who interferes with that narrative. \n\nUnfortunately for them, technology will move on without them regardless if they get it or not.\n\nSame as older family members I have saying crypto is for money laundering, has no value, Bitcoin's a scam etc. I just smile and watch it all progress year after year. \n\nIt is the wild west right now with people stealing artwork and making NFT's but they are fake NFT's that can be proven to be fake using the blockchain. If artwork is released by Marvel or Beaple it can be traced back to them. If it's released by some teeneger in his bedroom downloading JPEGs it can be traced back to him and he's not going to have a good time when the IP rights holders catch wind of it.\n\nIt's like why is a replica of Tutankhamun's gold mask not the same thing as the original? They look the same they're both made of gold? It's obvious when it's a physical object. Just because it's a digital object, people can't wrap their head around it after right clicking JPEGs for so long.", "Ackshually, NFT is about recording ownership blablabla", "Event tickets, items/lootboxes in games... I think eventually it'll just become part of the background infrastructure of many of these things. You won't even realize that your concert ticket is NFT-based.", "Your photos are beautiful!", "Because the JavaScript blockers detect mouse actions. That’s the “menu” key which is supposed to be the equivalent of a right click in the currently selected object to open a contextual menu.", "It's just a digital version of hot potato.", "Tangibility.", "> but I imagine those aren't the ones that people are interested in.\n\nYea, I figured the answer would be creepy in that way, but that at least doesn't sound as creepy as I expected.", "look if you intend by that utilisation of an obscure colloquialism to imply my sanity is not up to scratch, or indeed to deny the semi existence of my little chum eric the 'alf bee i shall have to ask you to listen to this!\n\n[take it away eric the orchestra leader!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxe9fhS46oU)", "Digital Funko Pops", "No one owns it when the blockchains is decentralized , thats why its good", "Calls other people smooth brains but is wrong about how it works. It's ok buddy, you said it yourself, it's a difficult abstract, you'll get it some day.\n\nTop fucking kek", "Definitely not many, but I do know of one dude who made a shit ton from the dotcom boom. He bought a domain and held onto it, knowing a company would eventually come looking for it. Managed to sell it for over 2 mil. Also, on the opposite side of the spectrum, you'll have [nissan.com/](https://nissan.com/) where the owner has been in a large ass lawsuit and it cost him over 3 million to retain that domain. \n\n\nHas nothing to do with NFTs, just some interesting facts. NFTs, more like, no fucking thanks.", "I think most people here a missing the point of how an NFT really works. You can download these sure but you still wont “own” them kinda like forged money. The transaction wont exist on the blockchain and will not have the unique signature. Kinda like a fake autograph.", "That's like saying you own a house, but really you just have a key that unlocks the front door to a house", "Sort of, I think a lot of it is conspicuous consumption. Yes spending 3k on a jpeg is stupid. But now you can tell people how rich you are. Youre so god damn rich you can spend 3k on literally nothing! Just casually drop it in conversation with their rich friends.", ">Nobody else can issue a digital copy of those comics. Yes, there are jpegs and torrents on the Internet but they are not the real deal\n\nAn no one other than people worried about bragging rights will care because the content is the exact same\n\n\n>nobody can mess with the originals\n\nUnless the file is on the blockchain (expensive af) it will be a link, so you will be hostage to the hosting service", "What year is this?", "Rug. I saw what you did there.", "I remember actually using this JavaScript tag on an early webpage I made (I am not a developer, and am, at best, a moron who picked up some HTML and learned how to copy/paste). Fun fact (at least for the coding I used)- the right-click blocker was disabled when left click was employed at the same time.", "Cool, you're entitled to your opinion. There's absolutely no comparison being the environmental effects though.", "How is it a straw man? Point is that cryptocurrency gets a lot flak for environmental reasons when most people engage in far more destructive habits for no reason other than personal pleasure. \n\n>Many people do what they can to minimize their impact in all areas of their life whenever possible.\n\nLots of people do, just not people who eat meat.", "Yes I think you are right. But it's not because it is a speculative bubble that it has no real value. The stock market has had plenty of those and people don't call it a scam. Maybe they should, idk. NFTs have properties that other assets don't, royalties on the secondary market for instance is something you could never have in traditional art trading. Yes it sounds stupid to buy a jpeg, and yes it's mostly about the money right now but that doesn't mean it's all a house of card. Decentralized ledgers have desirable properties for a value system : transparency, immutability, persistance to name a few. NFTs are just one of the way to assign value on them. I wish people would stop mistaking the forest for the tree.", "Have fun staying poor 🤝", "Clown", "Well yea what you’re hinting at is the problem of needing a central authority (government) to protect property rights with violence.", "NFT is a very cool technology. It will have a lot of amazing applications in the future. They have some really cool ideas for supply chain tracking stuff. As the goods move across the world, the nft tracks it, where it was, how long for etc. \n\nThis art shit is dumb.", "If you are genuinely being kind, I appreciate that, and didnt' mean to react so bluntly. But there's a lot of ignorance around NFTs, and it doesn't help to contribute to that. \n\nPlease support your statement with some links to sources pointing out if this is actually happening.\n\nAlso, it's slightly upsetting as someone who studied, and is trying to get back into digital art, that people only see it as a \"money-laundering scheme\". It's art. We need more beauty in this world.", "No one wants to have a real discussion about this here. I've seen no mention of DAO access or NFT staking once in this thread - which are becoming increasingly the actual reason to own NFTs. I.e., membership passes to exclusive content, airdrops, etc.\n\nI admire you trying to provide some context and discuss despite the general understanding and temperature on NFTs at the moment. \n\nThese threads are always the same though in the default subs.", "This will explain everything you need to know.\n\nhttps://www.ted.com/talks/don_tapscott_how_the_blockchain_is_changing_money_and_business?language=en#t-161187\n\nAnd a LOT of people in this thread should watch it because they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.", "I'm a socialist when it comes to art. I don't care that it cannot be monetized, I care that it means that there could never be another legal copy, so the artwork can never be shared or enjoyed by anyone without breaking the law.", "The only thing I can think of would be digital assets in a video game. If your NFT confers the ownership of a magical sword within an MMO, but can be independently transacted on the blockchain, that seems to be a valid use case, since the NFT represents a license to use a private server in a particular way.", "Oh Jesus, don't let Disney start making NFTs or this is exactly what will happen. Copyright is already incredibly broken.", "There is no 'grift'. \n\nIf you are buying art because you think the value is going to go up, that is on you. \n\nAlso, what in the world are you talking about?\n\n>Get your own house in order instead of getting mad at the people laughing at your roommates dumping shit out your windows.", "If a company made an NFT marketplace where I could resell my digital copy of a game to other users I would consider making all future purchases there. I fail to see how that would be a scam.", "His name is Victor Chaos", "I've never bought an NFT nor any cryptocurrency, nor do I have any plans to. But there's also nothing explicitly moral or ethical about using cash either. What's your point?", "Yes I knew 1 country, the amazing global powerhouse that is El Salvador accepts BTC. Come to me when someone like Japan, Russia, or the US accepts it.", "I personally look forward to paying 3.5 NFT's for a pizza.", "a scam in any form. I wonder why it requires an explanation as to why it's a scam. crypto is a scam too. a get-rich-quick scam. people don't use it to buy anything. they buy or sell it to and from other suckers depending on what direction people think the price is going to go", "Yeah two things can be bad at once. Insane concept.", "Why are his nails so disgustingly dirty?", "I'm going to pick this one because you are calling everyone smooth brained morons but this is for everyone here being cunts. \n\nYou guys all responding this way is exactly why no one is listening to your dumbasses. Stop being so shitty and hostile because you sound like children and why would anyone listen to children about something that greatly affects their pocket in the future. \n\nTry explaining why NFTs are good in the future. I have yet to see ANYONE with a valid and understandable reason why NFTs are not a scam. All you guys do is act like dicks. Until there are people pushing this stuff that can communicate and don't seem like scan artists people aren't going to get involved. \n\nSaying that I do think NFTs are going to be great and have a huge place in our future. But you guys are the reason progress is slowing down.", "Okay, so it's more like having their name on a new wing of a Hospital. They don't own the wing and never will.\n\n> And the museum could also sell the same rights to “owning” that Picasso to a bunch of other people.\n\nIsn't one of the main points of NFTs that they can't do that?", "But doesn't the NFT at least prove a date which you registered the art? Wouldn't it be as effective as a copyright?", "There's nothing that is outright porn, but there is a lot that got the 4Kids treatment. \n\nAlso, I totally forgot about cards that were censored to avoid religious imagery (symbols such as pentagrams and ankhs, plus stuff like horns and halos) and violence (blood gets removed, plus anything that depicts or implies harm.) \n\n[Here's a list](https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_modified_card_artworks) of all the cards that had their artwork altered or even changed to something totally different.", "I agree with that, that would be awesome. I'm a gamer myself and an NFT cosmetic marketplace with unique items for certain games like CSGO, LoL, Dota, Fortnite, etc. would be awesome as well.\n\nUnfortunately we don't have those kind of partnerships yet.\n\nWhat we have is the Bored Ape Yacht Club monkeys selling for 300k which I consider a \"scam\".", "I don't see this technology being around long term.\n\nIt sounds just like BitTorrent. Who decides to be a peer and host files? How do they choose what files to host? What makes them stay \"online\" on the network? What's their incentive?", "Everyone understands that but proof of ownership of something \"original\" doesn't really mean anything when that ownership is of a shitty jpeg of a monkey that an AI randomly generated based on a template. \n\nShitty nft collections have to promise to \"create a fundamentally unique media universe!\" or some shitty game or music or something because the art sucks and they need to at least act like proof of ownership will accomplish anything in the future", "At least you admit its all just gambling. You want a USD return hypocrite", "The governor of Missouri is a fucking moron", ">\tNFT is really useless, unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.\n\nWouldn’t matter.\n\nThe Artist owns the copyright. \n\nThe NFT owner has no copyright to the work itself. Same as if you buy a work from a traditional artist today. If I buy a painting from a painter I don’t own the copyright to the painting just the physical thing. \n\nSo the artist could already enforce their copyright on the object being linked to.", "Hold shift before you right click and it bypasses anything the site tries to do to stop you.", "Tell that to people who bought CryptoPunks, BoredApes, CoolCats etc. A lot of these things have sold for ridiculous amounts of money (and were then re-sold for huge amounts of money). I'm not saying it's good or bad, just simply what it is.", "It's when I am stunned. This tends to happen when someone is insinuating someone like Ken Griffin is about to go broke", "I love it... You own a record of a link pointing to a picture ( or anything) lol.....\nSuckers!!\n\nAs mentioned, unless you getting in writing the copy rights to said image, you own nothing but a note in a book.", "Yeah also the artists would hate NFTs as they wouldn’t get that 10% future commission on all sales.", "It’s a straw man because you made up a straw man to argue against. It’s also a fallacy of relative privation on it’s own, or the “not as bad as” fallacy.\n\nUnless I’m missing a nested comment somewhere, nobody here said anything about eating meat. That was introduced by you as a problem we should be tackling instead of NFTs. We are capable as humans of handling multiple problems at once, and many of the people reading your comment are likely to already be conscious of their consumption of meat.\n\nAlso tacking on to say that Proof of Stake was “coming soon” back when I was mining Ethereum at $20usd/ETH — don’t hold your breath.", "Sure thing. I'll start with my personal favorite - Nano. The usecase for Nano is very simple - instant payment finality and feeless transactions. Both are important, but the feeless aspect here is the more important one for me. Nano is basically like sending someone money with an email without middlemen and with no slippage. I could send You 0.00000000001 Nano and you would receive exactly that amount. As for actual real world usecases for this technology - any and all microtransactions (feeless is extremely important for small payments for obvious reasons), cross-border remittances (a market dominated by Western Union that charges frankly unjustifiable fees for the service), as well as a faster settlement mechanism behind the scenes, e.g the consumer might not even be aware that Nano is being used when they make a payment, but for the payment processor, handling things in Nano is more efficient.\n\nThe other obvious usecase in crypto is all of DeFi really. Yes, it brings with it cringy useless shit like NFTs, but it also provides an opportunity for millions of unbanked people to participate in the global economy. Peer to peer loans become an option thanks to smart contracts, so neither party involved has to trust the other or any middlemen, simply the code. \n\nCrypto is basically exactly the dotcom bubble all over again. Yes, there is a bunch of absolute flaming garbage in the space, but the future Apple's and Amazon's are also hidden in this sea of shit and writing off the entire technology makes You sound like the people who were mocking the internet in the 90s. Look where it is now.", ">What's the difference between this and immediately donating a painting the moment you buy it?\n\n\nThat's honestly a very easy question to answer. Once you donate something you transfer ownership. It's no longer yours. You cannot demand it's return. Most privately owned art in a museum is merely lent out for a set amount of time, but you can request it be returned to you. You retain ownership in this case.\n\nSo the difference is... Actual legitimate ownership. With NFTs it is pretty much exactly like what was said about the museum just going, yeah sure you \"own\" it and can sell that to other people, but the actual art you don't own. NFTs also bump up into other bits of law, namely copywrite. It's full of stolen work that actual artists had others take and add to the Blockchain without their permission.\n\nIn this case it's like walking up to somebody who owns something and trying to take it from them because you have your obnoxiously long CVS receipt that includes that item you wrote into it. What the item is doesn't matter. You're profiting off of their work while they get nothing from it. Yes they keep the item, but they have to look at money get transferred around involving a thing they made and put actual work into, and get nothing from it.", "Registration is not strictly necessary legally speaking but doing so does establish a paper trial and makes it much easier to enforce.", "You honestly don't understand why someone would dislike being blocked from doing something they want to do...?", "Lol i do this for articles covered with subcription divs", "Figuratively I supposed I mean \"it takes a lot of computers doing a lot of complex computations to create the data for the blockchain.\" Lots of computing \"power\" even though the word power in that instance doesn't refer to a scientific unit of measurement for the electrical or mechanical definitions of power.\n\nLiterally I meant \"It takes a lot of watts of electricity for those computers to perform all those computations.\"", "No shit its all a scam.", "Exactly, once you pay for an NFT, the only way out with a profit is to sell it to someone who wants it more. If you don’t care about that, you can wait until an offer comes along. You don’t make noise. If you do and you want to sell quickly to make money from speculation, you have to advertise and drum up demand. This is what most people see. They see someone hyping up NFTs so they can convince someone else it will go up in value. \n\nPeople who like NFTs are bedfellows with people who like NFTs because it is an easy to scan people. So many rug pulls.", "That's why I sort of understand situations like [Disaster Girl](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56948514) selling her original meme image for a bunch of money. It is essentially a way of digitally signing that image, which is a famous part of internet history.\n\nBut I don't understand how making hundreds of nearly identical shitty art pieces of monkeys has any intrinsic value whatsoever. Perhaps it would be going too far to say that there's no value, since you could at least argue that they're original art pieces (setting aside personal taste). But like, how much money is an original work of art worth, by an unknown artist? You can go to an art fair and pick up a painting for $40. So I don't understand why it being digital, and an NFT, all of a sudden makes it intrinsically worth thousands of dollars.", "How is buying something on a public blockchain owning “your data”?\n\nIt’s owning “some data” but it’s not something that is specific to you.", "The blockchain creates a transparent record of the transaction in which the non-fungible token was used. Everybody right now is talking about NFT's as a picture of some sort of art, but the reality is, it's just a digital code, a token. Think of it more as a password than the actual piece of digital art it's supposed to be connected to. This person is saying that we should be able to keep our own personalized token on our own devices and use said token for login purposes instead of using single sign-on. Of course you can also set up your own username and password for every individual account, which is the better way to go, but people are lazy and don't use proper password hygiene. Anyway, the blockchain is what makes these microtransactions secure, because they're basically a public record. If you purchase a piece of real property like a house, the transfer of ownership from the seller to you the new owner is through a legal instrument called a deed. That's all an NFT really is, but the deed for your property is recorded in the public record in your County Courthouse records. The blockchain is the county courthouse.\n\nThe real point a lot of people here are missing is that NFT's as art is just one application of the technology. The technology that it's built upon, including blockchain and other technology, is the real story, and will absolutely revolutionize the way we conduct business in the future. It's just a matter of time.", "The current administration has. Doesn’t mean a future administration won’t.", "Wouldn't that be like saying that when you go to the store to buy stuff, you're actually only buying the receipt that they hand you at checkout? You don't actually own the stuff, just the piece of paper.\n\nOr when you buy a house, you only bought the pieces of paper you and the seller signed and the physical deed along with the service of those papers being filed with the county clerk, but you didn't buy the physical house.\n\nIsn't the point of digital signature to signify that some \"ownership\" rights have been transferred from the seller to the buyer? Couldn't you very easily have an NFT that included a \"contract\" or \"license\" section, which spelled out in plain English and/or legalese what rights are that the artist is transferring to the buyer (and by extension, anyone the buyer might sign it over to)?\n\nJust because some (or all) current NFTs aren't clear about what the buyer actually gets doesn't mean they couldn't be, right?", "No, owning an NFT of the Mona Lisa would be like owning the certificate that has the location of where you can find it, and using that to call it “yours”.", "ART NFTS yes, there are many, many uses for NFTs. For example, a project my reward all early adopters with an NFT that is identical, but in the future all wallets that hold that NFT get things like boosted staking rewards, dividends, physical merchandise, tickets to events etc. etc. Other forms that have been used are for things like partial ownership of a piece of investment real estate, event tickets (fuck you ticket master), vaccination certification and others.", "Yeah, I'm seeing that it's certainly going that route, which I understand. I think the issue is that if you're not in on NFTs/crypto jargon it's really easy to just say \"this is a bunch of bullshit and a scam\", and in a lot of cases that's absolutely true. On the other hand, if you are in on NFTs, there's a lot of Wall Streets Bets type nonsense flying around as well. Add to that some pretty complicated tech/financial instruments, tied to seemingly silly things, like \"a JPEG\" and it becomes difficult to really dig into the issues. \n\nI'm interested to see where DAOs and staking go. I've seen a few DAOs sputter pretty hard, but there is some promise there. Staking has always had a use case, but it really blew up with Wolf Game and then led to a ton of copycats. I'm interested to see where these things go.", "Ok, so when there is an NFT of the same image on multiple different block chains, how do you know which is the original? Who owns it then?", "That's what I'm here for.", "1.) No, the entire point of the token these days is the ability to utilize the token in some way. Nowadays, an exclusive profile picture utility is kind of seen as a cash grab and terrible.\n\n>\tIt's just a digital signature\n\nThat digital signature is created from a smart contract that can have thousands of lines of custom code to define what can be done with that token. Some projects had their contracts hacked because the coding was terrible.\n\n2.) The value of a project is based on the project’s roadmap, which can be a several year roadmap beyond just an image.\n\n3.) Few different popular utilities that exist (many can exist in one project)\n\n-\tDAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organization)- Similar to how stock holders can vote on the direction of a company, token holders can vote on the direction of whatever organization has issued the tokens, with one token = one vote (nothing is stopping someone from owning several tokens issued by an organization). The smart contracts from which the tokens are generated will handle all the mechanisms for proposals and voting to make the governance of organization completely decentralized.\n-\tIRL benefits - Tokens can easily be verified to determine whether a token was originally minted from the original smart contract. You can screen shot an image associated with an NFT, but without the token, you won’t get access to real life festivals, meetups, giveaways, concerts, etc that may come as a benefit of owning a token. If Nike released an NFT, there would probably be a picture of a shoe associated with the token, but perhaps the holders of the 10k tokens also get early bird access, or guaranteed access, to all future sneaker releases — $300 sneakers that may fetch thousands on the aftermarket. If someone doesn’t want to pay scalper prices, they may find it far more valuable to try to mint a token or buy a token second hand to get early access to buy sneakers. If Taylor Swift releases an NFT, it would make sense that it would come with merch discounts, exclusive meetups, discounted (and guaranteed) tickets, etc. if someone values those perks more than me, I can sell the token at a markup given that there are a limited supply of tokens.\n-\tPlay-to-Earn/Staking — I’m a little iffier on this, but projects with a long roadmap (especially game/metaverse related), will reward long-term token holders with a sort of dividend. By keeping the token off the market place, you can generate cryptocurrency that will be used in an online game that is being developed by the project. Once the game is released, the image associated with your token will be your avatar, and by being an early supporter, you’ve already generated money in the in-game currency (which can be traded, given, sold, outside the game since it’s just crypto tokens on the blockchain).\n-\tGame avatars/cosmetics — a lot of “metaverse” projects are being built, not including the billions being invested by Facebook/Meta. Just about every utility I listed above can be used within a metaverse and is transferable/cross-compatible\n-\tProof of copyright — a lot of uniquely generated profile picture projects transfer copyright of the digital image to the token holder. This is written into the smart contract and makes it easy to determine who the copyright holder is given that the token can trade hands at any time in a decentralized manner. This can also be used for any kind of digital entitlement beyond copyright.", "Good run down I agree with a lot of it. \n\nSome notes: \n\n* citsec def isn't front running retail traders (well not on their market making side). They take the other side of the trade and try to hedge. \n\n* I don't disagree with the perjury charge. Not sure what this thread is trynna prove. I also dislike the guy at a personal level. But he's smart and successful, def what I would call savvy, which is really all I did \n\n* things are going great for citadel. All of its largest groups did really well other than gfi, which is coming off the back of its best year ever (and most fi shops did badly this year). \n\n* I'm not sure why you think bailing out maverick means they had a bad year. Also they didn't bail out they invested, got a great deal and are actually up on that investment. Mavericks long short arm actually is up for the year quite a lot \n\n* the point about withdrawl limits, that's really reaching. Why did they set it? Because they're so successful they can. And yea they wanna protect themselves for when things go bad, but that's isn't happening rn. They are closed to external capital which is fighting to get in. Their most successful arms are mostly prop too so there isn't any external money there at all and they keep it that way because of how successful it is \n\n* again, idk what you're trying to show with your pfof claims. I am aware where its banned quite well. \n\n* as to robinhood having a smaller userbase, well, it's def not true in the real world that it has no user base, it's quite large. But yes, it def experienced a mass exodus. I didn't say otherwise. I said robinhood was the best thing to happen to citadel because it sparked this retail trading boom. (or enabled or maybe just was concurrent, causal relationships are hard)", "A lot of replies to your comment have some rather ingenious methods of getting around this, but I haven't seen my favorite method posted yet:\n\nRight-click + hold, when the message popped up, left-click to dismiss it while still holding right-click down, and then let go of right-click. The menu would pop up.", "Nfts are protection and ownership of the original image/artwork. It's literally a hyperlink. You don't own the image so it can be copied as many times as anyone would like. And if the original artist wanted to remove the domain or replace the image you're SOL and the value of that NFT is nil. That doesn't happen with a holographic Charizard card. Unless you the owner decide to destroy it, it will still exist and you will still own it. If you want to trade hyperlinks and own hyperlinks then sure go buy NFTs but you never own the artwork that it links to and you may end up owning a 404 link. \n\nAlso the whole point of a decentralized system is there is no government or copyright or trademark that will police counterfeit or duplicates. Not to mention the fact they're equivalent to the original image and even the original nft if you create another hyperlink. A counterfeit may look similar but at the end of the day it's entirely different. A digital image on my computer is the same digital image on your computer.", "Same here. I'm also interested to see what 2022 and beyond brings for this space.", ">\tOr does this mean that since the artist is the copyright holder that I need to allow them access to the painting so that they can make copies, even though I bought it?\n\nThey may own the copyright but they have no authority to force you to allow them to make copies of it.\n\n>\tIf the artist fails to make a photographic copy before selling the painting that means that there can never, ever be any legal copies of that painting.\n\nKinda. They could potentially recreate the same piece by memory or using incomplete sketches. \n\nWhat’s more important is that you cannot make additional money off of selling t-shirts and shit with the image without getting a license from the artist. \n\n>\tWhat if I want to alter the painting? Stupid \n\nThen you can do so. You are under no obligation to keep it original. You can burn the damn thing to ashes if you want. First sale doctrine means that painting is yours and you can do anything to it you want including sell it. You just can’t take the content of the painting and sell that in any other form. \n\nAnd if you alter it enough to constitute a transformative work then you have copyright to the new creation.", "Even if they make new ones they would be fake since they wouldn't be part of the original minting transaction, which you can check. All transactions are public.\n\nSure, they can make a NEW NFT, but no one would recognize it as the original NFT, nor would it hold the same value.", "\"An no one other than people worried about bragging rights will care because the content is the exact same\"\n\nSo a scan of Banksy's notes or Einsteins equations are the same as the original and its all just about bragging rights? lol I give up, wasted too much time explaining it here.", "At this point I think I understand mostly what NFTs are doing, and the disconnect is in how shitty the art is and how expensive they are.\n\nA baseball card signed by an all time great player is worth something. A painting by Rembrandt or Monet is worth something. But shitty pixel art of a monkey wearing sunglasses while giving the finger, created by some Twitter asshole, is intrinsically worthless. Associating it with a digital signature doesn't make it not shit.", "The difference is that the brick is just a brick, but if you buy the parcel of land, you get the mineral rights.", "> If I liked it, I can just take a screenshot or right-click and save the picture. It’s digital, and my copy looks just like his. Why would I want to pay money for something I can just duplicate so easily?\n\nBut that's not an argument against NFTs specifically, that's just an argument for piracy of everything. Fine, I guess, if you're completely anti-copyright and think using thepiratebay for everything is okay. But no one points at thepiratebay and says, \"All buying of digital works is a scam.\"", "Because you can't.", "Honestly no lol movies give out unique trinkets all the time. They don’t have value.\n\nA Spiderman NFT COULD have some value, or it could be worthless. No real way to know for sure and you’re kidding yourself if you think you do", "The inventor of Bitcoin is a mystery, not blockchain.", "It’s not “some people” being scammed by buying NFTs. It’s everyone who buys them. Because they don’t own anything. They literally bought nothing. There’s no value except what they can trick the next sucker to buy it for because they literally don’t own anything.", "Who cares then? How is that saying anything about NFTs? \"right-clickers\" can already do that with \"traditional\" digital things like pictures, songs, movies, etc.", "People who believe this guys shit are idiots.\n\nTry talking to the people that actually use the technology.", "I never heard what happened in the end there, did the dude actually get a real criminal record?", "> How do you “use” an NFT without publicly exposing the link or the media?\n\nYou don't, and that's not what it was made for.\n\nJust like you can find many photos of the Mona Lisa, there's only one real Mona Lisa owned by someone.\n\nIn a similar way, a digital photo is seen by many and even copied exactly, but the NFT says you \"own\" it. The only thing you can do with it is sell it to someone else, like a stock in the stock market. Also note that there are many different chains, so that \"ownership\" only has value if that chain is trusted.\n\nAn NFT has no value of its own. It's just something you can buy and sell, and even this \"ownership\" ledger is only worth as much as the chain that it is on.", "You don’t decrypt the entire ledger at each pass. The work is limited to blocks. Each block is a merkel tree, with the previous block’s root included as a single hash. Transaction lookup can be slowed by a growing ledger but by nature of the merkel tree there’s minimal work involved beyond search across merkel proofs, you don’t decrypt the whole thing, and you don’t re-encrypt the whole thing either.\nThe ledger does not require a complicated encryption scheme either, we are talking cheap cryptographic hashes here. The limits of the design with regard to expense appear when sustaining a growing network with “proof of work.” That Wikipedia article you linked is really light on details.", "Have you seen the documentary about the guy who during quarantine decided to video and photo is yard, I think in England, and is able to get super high focus shots of insects by using handcrafted camera tools? I think you'd be interested in it based on your Flickr. You both do really great work! Sorry I don't recall the name of the documentary and I'm not somewhere where I can look it up, but it was probably on Netflix, definitely one of the streaming services", ">All of these NFTs aren't even images. You aren't buying an image that someone can copy. You are buying a link to an image, which is not on the blockchain.\n\nYou're factually incorrect and are speaking authoritatively on something that you demonstrably don't understand.\n\nSome NFTs are links to URLs. Many NFTs, in fact most of the premium ones, are stored entirely on-chain. But you didn't know that because you don't actually understand any of this, you're just regurgitating misinformation you've heard as though it's knowledge you possess. It isn't, you're wrong, and you really should learn about things you want to speak authoritatively on.\n\nedit: Lol downvotes because you can't come to terms with being objectively wrong. Stop pretending you know about things you don't know shit about, it's pathetic. If you don't know about something as basic as on-chain storage then you have no business pretending to understand any of this. You're wrong and it's because you're blindly reciting false info you hear elsewhere and pretending it's knowledge you possess.\n\nWhat's it like spreading misinformation with such ignorant confidence?\n\nhttps://www.forgottenrunes.com/posts/on-chain\n\nhttps://www.one37pm.com/nft/tech/on-chain-and-off-chain-nfts\n\nhttps://blog.0xmons.xyz/79081566310\n\nhttps://anonymicenft.medium.com/anonymice-100-on-chain-randomly-generated-free-nfts-ce7ea8d8d5b3\n\nhttps://blog.simondlr.com/posts/flavours-of-on-chain-svg-nfts-on-ethereum\n\nStop pretending to understand this stuff. Stop the arrogant, confident ignorance.\n\nKeep trying to bury the facts that invalidate your false narrative.", "1.\tI thought you meant someone copying an already existing NFT project which is a popular scam.\n2.\tYes, there are tons of scams and rip offs in NFTs, which is why it’s important to actually do your research before buying a token for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. I spend weeks getting to know the artist, what their past work is, go to IRL exhibits, attend Q&As, etc. Last week, an artist had a book signing I NYC a few days before his NFT release. If the issuing artist won’t reveal themselves or meet with possible buyers — RUN.", "Except it’s not a proof of ownership at all, because you don’t own the copyright.", "If you’ve read my comments here there’s a through line of “none of this HAS to happen.”\n\nIt’s just another tool in a studio’s kit to create different experiences for their players.", "There is a lot of simplification and inaccuracy in your statement, but just for arguments sake....\n\nWhy does that make it good?", "In the video dude says it’s like spam emails that you have to pay to get rid of. Sounds great, doesn’t it?", "This.\n\nNFTs have little functional value.\n\nAnd even where they could provide functional value, that is the NFT actually does something, it’s value is either the same or less than traditional methods.", "Oh good. I know less than I did 30 minutes ago. Damn.", "That's not really true though. Let's use the same golf analogy for simplicity sake, and use the popular NFT, Bored Ape Yacht Club. If I bought the Bored Ape through OpenSea, which allows you to verify the collection as the original, I would then have the Bored Ape in my wallet, whereas you might have a copied version that isn't the original. Bored Ape Yacht Club then provided a few derivative projects where ONLY the owners of the originals got stuff airdropped to them for free. A lot of these airdrops were worth five figures. That's the \"prestigious NFT club\" equivalent in this case. There are lots of other examples of this, and I expect there will be a big push to give \"real world utility\" to projects. I'm not passing judgement if it's good, bad, or indifferent, but this is what I've seen. \n\nAnother example - DraftKings recently released some NFTs. If you got one of the initial Tom Brady NFTs, it then gave you priority access to a second Tom Brady drop. It depends on the demand, but say the first Brady drop had 5,000 NFTs. The second drop might have 10,000, and 5,000 spots are open to the collectors that have the originals. Well, if now this has gained traction and 20,000 people want it, there's scarcity and value. And this is basically what happened, having the original allowed you a priority spot for the next one, which a lot of people wanted, providing flipping opportunities.", "PoS is not a long ways off. There's already PoS chains and Ethereum will soon merge with the beacon chain of Eth 2 which is already operating as PoS. It'll be done within half a year at most.", "Tbh crypto experts are way more scared of electronic elections than laymen.", "I specifically responded to your use case about deeds. I ended my statement saying that it does have specific uses.\n\nWhat you just described is a valid specific use. I’ll add that blockchain isn’t necessary for that ecosystem to exist though. If Steam launched a system for cross-game items and all games on Steam decided to implement it, there’s no benefit that I see to hosting it on a blockchain when it could easily be created using traditional centralized servers at Valve, with an eBay style marketplace that allows supply/demand to control pricing.\n\nEdit 2: Code could be added into the Steam client to “mine” while people are gaming/running client and that may offset server costs. Distributed computing across their customers would be the driving factor I feel, but I’m not sure if that would be cheaper or more efficient for them. Someone at Valve would have to make that calculation.", "But if NFTs are public record and You store your passwords as NFTs wouldn't that mean that anyone (not just Google) can access all the passwords in your wallet? Wouldn't that make it less secure?", "But the point is it’s not the NFT granting you the copyright, it’s the contract attached to it. NFTs do not and can not grant copyright.", "> This should be impossible due to the way the images are usually linked. Each image is hashed, like a fingerprint for data, and the link points to a file with a particular hash. By design, it's nearly impossible to make another image with the same hash. \n\nBut hash are like 32bit. There has to be a shitload of collision, especially for bigger files. And I assume that if someone really wanted to they could make an image match any hash by altering pixels slightly.", "Just digitally sign the damn thing", "The bees covered in pollen remind me of a dog that's smiling after it rolled in mud", "Except you don’t own that image at all. You don’t even own the URL that the NFT links to. You own nothing.", ">\tHoping the same for things like video game digital assets. \n\nFuck everything about that. \n\n>\tAbstract the wallet, hide any transaction fees, provide a standard looking marketplace. No one will be the wiser and people will stop complaining\n\nBut even still, aren’t all of your transactions public information? I wouldn’t want that. Also, what’s the point at all if there’s no tangible difference?", "It's a completely impotent attack vector. They think it means something because they don't understand any of this. Right-clickers are embarrassing themselves.", "I can answer that.\n\nThe right hand has faded nail polish, the left hand has grime under the nails. I'm guessing it's an Art Installment.", "I never said that and in fact said an nft does not give you legal ownership to the underlying image. Let alone the real world object... \n\nIt gives you authentic ownership of the nft... Which is the commodity of value in question. When someone bids on the an nft, they own exactly that, the nft \n\nWhat gives it value? That's a good question and why you usually want an appraisal or an expert to weigh in. As I said, the value on nft just comes from convention, much the same way for art or collectors items or artifacts. With nfts it's usually coming from either immense popularity (early pfp got popular and then skyrocketed) or some uniqueness (nft of famous memes etc, of which they are only going to be one since the original creators etc sign off on it). \n\nSimilar for youtubers and NFTs. You're kinda relying on the convention that they don't flood the market, same with buying signed editions of goods from actors. However even if they did, you could argue yours is unique as being the first among something \n\nWhat's stopping you from selling those nfts? Nothing, and it'll be worth nothing. When the original architect for the Brooklyn bridge sets up the nft and markets it and its auctioned by sothebys however, you can bet it's going to have some value, and it'll be exactly for those reasons", "This entire thread is old men yelling at clouds", "That's incorrect. Only in some cases is what you're saying true.\n\nIt's a common misconception that you see in every single conversation about NFTs even though it's very obviously not true if you actually know about this stuff and aren't just uncritically vomiting up bullshit you read somewhere else.\n\nMany NFTs are stored entirely on-chain.", "No. It's much more complex than that. And there's not just one password, there are two, there's a public key and a private key. This isn't the place to have that explained, sorry, but if you're interested in the subject, Google around, there's plenty to learn about it", "No I'm jumping in here. A Blockchain solves that problem like a nuke can end a bug infestation. Not everything needs to be digitally accessible and immediate. Making everything that way will eat an insane amount of silicon. Digital arts ownership verification does not need to be done on any platform as massive and spendy as a Blockchain. No matter how light you try to make it being able to verify that sort of thing about any digital art at anytime will be insanely and impractically massive. One day when the physical infrastructure of the internet and our processing capabilities are better those kind of loads won't be shit but, the strain on global computing systems is showing NOW, when it is a fevered pipe dream of some tech Bros.", "There's no rational discussion to be had. There's not a good Nigerian prince scam to discuss. \n\nIt's a scam that burns through coal like water. For no good reason whatsoever. And it's obvious.", "That’s actually not true. Bored Ape is licensing the art to you. You do not own the copyright to it.", "This man fucks.", "NOW THIS IS SOME ARTSY FARTSY SHIT.", "If making six figures in a few months is moronic then you can downvote me and call me whatever you want.", "Same as if they did the same thing with a set of limited prints.", "Except NFTs don’t prove ownership at all.", "> if I understand correctly. Bitcoin miners etc are reversing certain partial hashing algorithms or similar, which is computationally expensive\n\nYou do not understand correctly. The whole thing is inefficient, but uniquely valuable in producing a decentralized public ledger, which is great for keeping track of ownership. The key value here is the decentralization. Other systems require trust.", "[YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!](https://www.myinstants.com/media/sounds/sound-9______.mp3)", "The prints you own won't lose their authenticity if the artist's webpage goes down.", ">the enterprise still functions as intended for the collector\n\nIt doesn't mean anything when someone can have an exact copy of a digital file. Physical art is unique whereas an image sitting on a server is a copy by the very nature of uploading it to said server.", "Que?", "In some cases, the NFT boom has already crashed. I agree that future crashes are likely, especially if you start looking into what's going on with the stablecoin Tether and everything that encompasses with regards to liquidity (not to mention Evergrande)...super interesting stuff for anyone interested in going down the rabbithole. \n\nFor example, look at NBA Top Shot, a huge NFT that had an insane amount of hype and news coverage yada yada. Well, it spiked to an absolutely insane level back in February, and then has basically bled out since then. A lot of other individual projects have seen similar economics, and the entire market is saturated with shitty derivatives, cash grabs, rugs etc., because it's speculative. There are some solid, legitimate projects out there, but at least for me, you need a well-known, non anonymous team, offering actual utility (i.e. not \"access to a sweet super private discord!!!\" or shitty swag) etc. These projects are few and far between because they're simply difficult to build, coupled with the massive gold rush approach to forcing half-baked projects to market in an attempt to capitalize on the rampant speculation.", "That’s basically how DVDs work. You don’t own the content, you own a physical license to watch it. \n\n\nTechnically, you can rip the movie to a hard drive and legally watch it as long as you own the DVD. As soon as you no longer have possession of the DVD, you’re legally not permitted to watch the copy.", "Media content can be copied and transmitted byte by byte, so it is the EXACT same thing. Physical can't, no matter how good of a fake it is visually, and difference between a photo of a real object and the actual thing is self explanatory.\n\nStay salty", "But then even still if someone has your private key how does having your passwords on the Blockchain make it more secure? You could hack Coinbase or something to get a person's private key and have access to all this person's accounts.", "Even if they liked it they wouldn't use NFT but rather make their own market place.", "Oof. I got in some big trouble for this very thing. The problem was, I had used Google image search, so the cache also included a lot of depraved nasty shit I wasn't into or looking for, but they treated me as if I sought out all of those images.", "It's seems like a waste to use a blockchain for disposable goods.", "What else is ownership other than a proof that you paid for something?", ">The ownership of the NFT is not reproducible. Just like a chain of custody on a Picasso isn't.\n\nWho cares who owns it if I have a perfect copy of it on my hard drive? I can't say the same for a Picasso. Again, don't conflate actual, finite physical goods with infinitely reproducible digital pieces.", "They don't get your private key. That's why they call it private? It's encrypted and never leaves your device.", "lol this is BS, when you \"own\" a skin in a game, a Netflix account, a bank account... do you really own it , or do you own some kind of \"hyperlink\" ?", "It is silly to equate NFT technology exclusively with JPEGs.\n\n\r \nIt is literally digital DNA that gives proof of digital ownership. It's huge. JPEG is just an initial bubble (same was with dotcom), but it will be used in large and useful industries like logistics, real estate and ticketing, and everywhere else where decentralized proof of ownership is required.\n\n\r \nIt solves a lot of ethical problems too. E.g. look at the ticketing. GET protocol (a Dutch NFT ticketing company), thanks to NFT ticketing solution was able to eliminate the problem of ticket scalping (it's a market worth $15 bilion every year! that's how much artists and fans lose because of scalpers). It not only eliminates ticket touts but also open new sources of income for artists/companies (they can now set their own conditions for resale of tickets and make fair money from the secondary market - all thanks to NFTs!)\n\n\r \nA serious use case for NFTs is the future. Overpriced NFT JPEGes are fraud.", "The issue is NFTs aren't really needed for that. Steam marketplace, or something similar, could EASILY do that if game developers actually wanted people to be able to resell their games. Just like it already does for micro transaction items in certain games.", "Oh you mean like the people who created the stuff he easily created a copy of to “own”\n\nA digital receipt is not as valuable as you think it is, and you’ve been fooled by scammers into thinking it is", "just here for the show rn but i'm noticing more and more ppl going from \"no use cases\" to \"this particular use case\" pretty quick these days.", "That’s right. There are certainly learning curves and societal changes to get something like this acceptable at mass scale. \n\nIt’s funny that I get hate from both pro and anti NFT crowd with the truth of what NFTs actually are. If I don’t praise it like an amazing piece of works changing tech, the NTF crowd get all defensive. But if I highlight that baseball cards are just as stupid, the anti NFT crowd get pissed. Lose-lose.", "Except NFTs don’t prove digital ownership because you don’t own the thing that the NFT points to.", "Heh, so when I install a Chrome extension that allows me to save images I wouldn't normally be able to save, is this all it is doing?", "Beanie Babies had limited runs of physical items, the scarcity of which is why people thought they would become valuable collectibles. You can copy digital files until the cows come home.", "Is there a similar way to download videos? For science of course...", "But it's on your device so someone could easily find it on there. And don't exchanges allow you to store or use your private key on their server and when the exchanges get hacked your entire wallet is compromised? Plus what's to stop someone from stealing your public wallet and brute force cracking the private key?", "Nah I do this shit for a living. The only way to detect is to see viewport changes but you can get around that by... Popping up the window so it doesn't change the view port.", "That’s what the wallets are for, no? Recovery phrase, multi factor authentication, passwords… the blockchain itself doesn’t do it, but all the applications designed to bank crypto serve that function and complete the system.", "If they can't be verified then they certainly do. And the author's ledger going down does not necessarily lose it's authenticity if they can be traced back to a time when the author WAS maintaining their ledger. But this is a long solved problem -- many paintings by people who are dead are sold in the art world. Really, there's no fundamental difference between buying limited prints from an artist and buying an NFT for digital art. That's what makes it dumb: all it is is a way to track provenance, which was a mostly solved problem already.", "Worse. It feels like those scams where someone sells you the naming rights to a particular star, or a section of the moon that is \"your\" property. \n\nSo, I have one copy out of a billion pictures of grumpy cat that has some digital signature in it that says I own it. So what? Can I charge money for every other copy on the internet? Can I make royalties off its use? Can I sue people for having that image on their machine without giving me proper payment? \n\nAs far as I can tell, the answer is no. So, what's the point? Some say, \"oh this copy of the image will be valuable someday\". To that I say: \n\nBeanie Babies.", "> NFT is really useless, unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.\n\nCopyright laws don't need to be augmented. They already work fine to protect intellectual property without NFTs. NFTs are just useless altogether.", "One man's trash is another man's treasure is one of the oldest sayings out there. We already know value doesn't require consensus and monetary value isn't the only one people care about.", "You won’t get the NFT crowd to acknowledge that though.", "Right click has a lot of legitimate uses besides saving images. It's the fastest way to the back button, for example. Those scripts are annoying AND ineffective.", "Ah, so another thing with “blockchain technology” shoehorned in.", "> Just because some (or all) current NFTs aren't clear about what the buyer actually gets doesn't mean they couldn't be, right?\n\nI don't completely disagree, but that's the fundamental problem here. It purposefully isn't clear in most of these transactions what you are buying and in most cases (as far as I know) you aren't buying anything but the token. No copyright ownership is transferred. No rights to resell anything, but the token. \n\nAnd if the goal is to transfer ownership of the art or gif or whatever digital artifact you choose, then why is block chain a better technology to use for this purpose than any of the traditional ways we already have? Block chain has no special legal standing above any other sort of contract or bill of sale. It's not easier to verify. It certainly isn't more efficient. \n\nIf you can sell anything as an NFT or utilize block chain to keep a ledger of any transaction then what can be sold in that way that would improve upon the way it is traditionally sold? If the improvement is an increase in sale price due to believing there is inherent value in an NFT itself then what protects that increased value if that speculative increase wanes?\n\nConvince me to sell my house as an NFT.", "or a \"pet toy\" which is a name for a patented stick", "I don’t think this is a valid argument considering many elections are digital right now, just not hosted on the chain, and like you said, fundamentally misunderstand computer software.", "As a sidenote: This wouldn't work to identify divs that use background-image in css instead of using img tags (which are older tech essentially)\n\nA better way is to disable javascript and then just right-click whatever image you want.", "Sometimes people just link to the whole file. Other times, on the larger more popular platforms, they stream the data to you. I've tried downloading Youtube videos, for science of course, and it's beyond me how that works.", "I guess time will tell. Let’s see where this NFT and Web3 stuff leads us. We can then look back at this comment.", "I've been saying this since nft's got buzz. It's an easy way to take money from people who are gullable and clueless.", "As someone who collects cards (and so is obviously biased) NFTs aren’t even as good as that. When I own the card, I own that copy of the card. Even if there are a million other copies of that same card, I can physically hold that copy, display it on my desk, twist it in the light and have the shiny cardboard make my monkey brain happy.\n\nWhereas an NFT I just own a link to an image.", "Not in the same way or flexibility NFTs provide:\n\nhttps://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/crypto-nft-gaming-ticketing-royalties-1197979/", "Lol bad faith is apt. I just had someone tell me that what I was saying insinuating that he could make an nft of the moon and then he'd own the moon... I don't even know how to reply to that", "What if the image has to be re-hosted, or even just undergo a slight URL change on the same host? The blockchain is immutable, so wouldn't that basically mean the NFT is completely useless at that point?", "I see", ">NFT is really useless, unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.\n\nThat's just flat out false. Ownership is worth something. People can give value to anything. One could say they can just screenshot an nft picture but I could just photocopy a picture of the Mona Lisa. Meanwhile the Mona Lisa is still worth infinitely more than the copy. Just because it's not physical doesn't mean it doesn't have value. A digital art file that is the actual file the artist worked on will have value. \n\nTake this a step further. All the nft talk has to do with nft artwork. Imo this isn't even close to being the best use of nfts. Imagine a video game nft proving ownership of the game. Even movies or music. Copyright laws exist for those. While it's still possible to pirate, the real product is worth more than the fake one. \n\nI may be wrong about NFTs, but I think there should be a healthy discussion surrounding them instead of immediately dismissing them as useless. People never though crypto could have value but look at it today.", "The same could be said of any investment.", "Nope. Not same thing. One is officially released by holder of Intellectual Property rights and the other isn't. The technology isn't going anywhere. You didn't uncover the scam of a century. Sorry to burst your bubble.", "NFTs are technology. They are as moral or immoral as their developers. Unfortunately, the hypebeast sigma grindser moneymongers have reinvented the Ponzi scheme atop the NFT technology. Be very cautious, but keep your toes wet. I", "But it's not, really.\n\nThink of it this way: Someone owns The Mona Lisa (the Louvre, actually).\n\nCan you walk into the Louvre and take a photo of this painting and go home with it? Sure!\n\nDo you then own it? No. What you have is a copy. It's not the original. What you have is worthless. What The Louvre has is priceless.\n\nThat's what NFT's are. NFT's are the originals.\n\nIs the Mona Lisa priceless? Well, it's just a picture and so in that sense it's not worth much. On the other hand, it's worth what someone(s) would be willing to pay for it. So in that sense, yes, it's priceless.\n\nNFT's are the equivalent in the art world of an ownership document. Provenance. They're a digital receipt that proves that you own it and that it's original. And that's it.\n\nIs your .jpg worth $100,000? If someone's willing to GIVE you $100,000 for it, then yes, it's worth that. And there are plenty of drug dealers who need to launder a shitload of money who would be willing to wash their proceeds via this method just like the rich do when they trade fancy artwork. To keep the IRS from confiscating their money.", "Isn’t this called “whitelisting”?", "Original verifiable copy vs reprint or imitation\n\nNothing new to the art industry", "That's funny. I get all my whores from that guy. Dude's got his beak into everything.", "The other thing with collecting stamps and baseball cards is for most of the valuable items it is very hard to create a passable fake. Here you can just copy it directly pretty easily.", "Yeah, I know what you’re saying I just still can’t see the requirement of blockchain to play any part in it. Capitalism will always drive things away from decentralization by it’s very nature.\n\nYou’ve described a need: a cross-game item exchange and storage platform that persists if individual companies crater.\n\nThe solution to the need could come in many forms and again, the drive of capitalism leads me to believe this will appear as a third-party private company with funding and resources that will make deals with MS/Sony/Valve. I also don’t think blockchain will play a part in this, unless a company is just looking for a buzzword.\n\nEither way I hope a solution appears and I don’t mean to come off argumentative or anything, just offering opposing viewpoints for consideration.", "Transaction/gas fees are the middlemen now.", "Gl enforcing something that can't be enforced", "But that isn’t true, there are lots of smart contracts that include image rights, etc. for an NFT. There are also many as you described BUT owning the image rights is a reality and you can get a license that way.", ">\twebsites are using NFTs for fractionalized investing, a digital artwork collection has sold on Christies for nearly $69M\n\nWell, it would hardly be much of a scam if nobody fell for it, would it?", "If it is stored on IPFS, then you access it by knowing its hash. So hash and link are the same thing.", "It completely negates the benefits of verifiable ownership because it’s not actually verifying ownership", "\"Electronic music plays\"", "you own the representation of the object (its hash), which is alos its link to the IPFS, which is where the object itself is stored.", "Ok, but let’s call the key a “deed.” A deed is just a paper record of a transaction saying you own a thing. An NFT is a blockchain record of a transaction saying you own a thing.", "No it's like saying you own a star. You can claim it and make whatever certificate of ownership you want but at the end of the day literally every other person on earth has equal unimpeded access to \"your\" star.", "I’m pretty sure that if the initial step of creating the NFT could be fixed by introducing the necessity to prove the IP rights/ownership, then the entire thing would be much more popular and reliable.", "if you are playing a video game, or buying a movie on VOD, you own the SAME file as everyone else, but you access it through a private hyperlink. NFT do not have to be something to buy and sell, it can just be used to hold private datas that only you can chose who can acccess it for exemple. It's basilcaly a new way to avoid data mining, identity theft, fishing, hacking, or just allowing you more privacy, safety, or just access your data anywhere, or veryfying the history of something (like proving a Gucci bag is a real one and not a fake, or that you ham is really BIO and not full of chemicals). SO, saying \"NFT\" is a scam, is really showing a lack of understanding. It's like sayong \"youtube is garbage\" after seeing a Jake Paul video.", "> I assume that the NFT holder is the legal owner of the image\n\nYou are assuming wrong. Having an NFT doesn't grant you any right on its target (image, video, ...).", "Art NFTs are dumb, but NFTs as a technology will underpin much of ownership recordation. A stimulating question I asked myself when learning about this stuff was, “why do contracts NEED a legal backing in the first place?” I’d be interested to hear your thoughts!", "I use inspect and just delete the elements above the img element", "bitch you wanna make some motherfucken money", "the NFT contains the compressed representation of the object (artwork), which is its hash. If someone wants to prove they own the object, the provide it to you with the corresponding NFT they own. You calculate its hash and check it matches what is in the NFT.", "lol its as growing trend, gone are days of F12, unless google lets us bypass that", "If your looking at nfts as an investment strategy then yes it’s a total scam lmao, but to me nfts kinda just look like the newest generation of trading cards.", "You 2 commenting back and forth reads like a poorly scripted infomercial, and I’m pretty sure it basically is", "The original minting transaction could be made (plenty of examples on the OpenSea) from the stolen object. So it doesn’t prove anything, really.\n\nFollowing your logic, if the author/creator would create the NFT later, it would be of a lesser value, than their stolen IP. Which undermines the entire system.", "I won a giveaway for free photos and a photography session. \n\nI got 5 photos out of 100, all with their logo on it. Had to pay to remove the logo and get any full res photos.\n\nI went on their website, network tab, downloaded all 100. F marketing.", "> you guys realize that nobody involved in NFTs is actually getting upset that ppl are right clicking their pics, right?\n\nSort by controversial", "from what i understand, the image is typically stored on the IPFS, which is a distributed storage network where you access data by its hash (not an address). Since it is distributed, the data is replicated on many computers (kinda like peer to peer)", "Because that way a private company which OP has a financial stake in gets to control ownership of your house instead of the government lol", "All of Western life is a scam, every single layer of life is rife with relentless exploitation.", "you can change that by selling the art signed with the artist's private key", "I love how you say people are acting in bad faith and don't want to have a rational discussion and then proceed to do just that.", "His name is Chaos, not Chaos!", "Did you watch the video? Please tell me where they are wrong.", "[We’ve all been in tech.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/rlkrxf/work_in_tech/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)", "Yes. They're a series of procedurally generated CGI images that all get minted as a \"collection.\" There's monkeys, lions, donkeys, whatever. They're all the same.base garbage image with glasses or a joint or a laser beam or whatever. \n\nAs usual, something being sold as \"for the artists\" has been taken over by low effort grifters flooding the market and trading monkey pictures to themselves to artificially inflate a receipt of purchase so some idiot buys one thinking they're actually an in demand commodity and not a literal random computer image.", ">\tliterally every authentication system on earth would be compromised\n\nExcept it wouldn’t? Encryption takes a hit, but auth doesn’t except for areas where pki is used for auth, which is rare for users. Having restricted access to the account and ledger inherently adds security that blockchains will never achieve.", "NFT is just the new way for money laundering", "In theory, it's great, proof of ownership of the art is amazing and supports both the seller and the buyer. Especially for something like commerical work where you need the rights for an image\nBut in it's current state, it needs heavy regulation to fix it.\n\nRight now I see it as a bicycle with a dented rim, get that rim fixed and it's a amazing form of transportation.", "Replicas are completely different than prints. Prints are literally a printed version of a work of art. \n\nIf you meant replica, then that's a whole other ballgame. The thing about replicas are that they are very rarely, if not never, complete duplications. The examples you gave, The Scream and The Card Players, either all have changed in size, composition, or even added or removed details/subjects that distinguish one from the other completely. With digital works one is able to make a complete replica aside from the NFT that is attached to it.", "But that’s not the same as the golf analogy. In the golf analogy they’re saying I copied their membership pass but they’re the only one that gets to play golf. \n\nThere’s no golf, just more speculation. It’s just gambling with the promise of getting in on the ground floor of more gambling. If the art is not the point, then what is it based on? It’s just NFTulipmania.", "Why does Reddit pretend people don't buy NFTs to try to sell them for more later? That's literally the entire point for most people. Most aren't successful but some do make money.", "Many NFTs are stored entirely on-chain and contain no links. The chain will last longer than your hard drive, much longer.\n\nYou guys are misinformed. Media and anti-crypto weirdos have done you a disservice by giving you false information and now you're regurgitating it uncritically, further spreading misinformation.", "Finally someone on Reddit who understands how it is lol", "Right-click save is an extremely dumb argument against NFT’s\n\nIn the very near future all social media sites will integrate web3 wallet based logins. This will allow the sites to verify ownership of the NFT tokens and give some kind of visual indication that the profile picture is owned by the person who is using it.\n\nGame over for right click save at that point", "So basically an NFT is a key to open a lock to my account, and on the key is a history of all it's uses? Like take my reddit account for example. My nft unlocks the reddit.com locked behind my login info and Everytime I access it it leaves a digital signature on it?", "Hey man, I wouldn’t know if I was an introvert or extrovert if it wasn’t for meyers Briggs.", "When that happened (at the time), I'd press space before lifting my right click.\n\nSpace would close the popup and then I'd still get the context menu.", "JS was in its infancy, but it was Flash’s prime time for “complex” website.", "I understand why they're upset, they should be upset that someone else is profiting off of their artwork. I'm just asking if it hurts them in any way other than making them upset or denying them the opportunity to issue their own NFT?", "NFTs are basically the \"Name a star\" scam of today.", "No it’s an extremely rare and irreplaceable piece of cardboard which many other people would like to physically own. The cardboard itself is not valueless, it is the source of the value. How are you this dumb.", "A lot of crypto bros hype up NFTs by saying they allow \"true ownership\" of digital objects. But the reality is the only object you have \"true ownership\" of is the NFT. Not whatever content is attached to the NFT, just the token itself. If you have an NFT for a game it gives you as much ownership of that game as an email receipt does. Which is to say: not very much at all.\n\nNot to mention the idea of trying to replicate the physical concept of ownership into a digital space is a step backwards. You can't own anything digital the same way you can a physical object. There's no concept of originals and scarcity is something manufactured.", "Quick question for understanding: If I buy an NFT (treasure map) how is ensured the past owner has no copy or memory of said map? Like is the treasure reburied somewhere else (new link) or would I have to do that? And if the link is replaced who does that and how is it transferred without getting access or knowledge of it too? \n\nOr does everyone / many people have the treasure map and I would just be technically the owner without getting any addional benefit or security? Isn't that like selling actual stars for bragging rights without any other purpose? (Except the stars will always be there)", "Seems very unlikely that people will be cool with buying NFTs for the profile pic, but you go ahead and believe whatever you want.\n\n>In the very near future all social media sites will integrate web3 wallet based logins. \n\nThey will never make the only way to log in though.", "Just because you don’t like what a person or company does with their NFTs doesn’t change that they’re still NFTs. This is like saying an art print is worthless because the artist printed multiples of them for buyers. They’re still art prints and it’s up to the artist whether it makes more sense to sell one art print for a lot or many art prints for less. I’ve bought art prints from artists that were not in any way exclusive. The artist still made money from me. \n\nIt’s the same with NFTs. Maybe it doesn’t make financial sense for one popular artist to do it, but it may make sense for smaller artists to do it. At the end of the day, they’re still selling NFTs and that’s why NFTs are not inherently valuable despite how you want to define them.", "True, but you can also do these things without the blockchain and NFTs...", "I don't see how they are related at all. The cloud (and web 2.0, man it just sounds wrong to me without that \"point oh\") was never sold as a decentralized platform, we all knew what we were getting into when we moved everything to AWS. My entire understanding of Web3(point oh) is that it's decentralized so you aren't relying on Amazon or Google to have full control over the internet. If it's all still backed by the same server architecture, how is it any different (I guess the answer is it isn't).", "I think this is the best analogy.", "Yeah I didn’t say it would be the only way to login \n\nIt will be used for all sorts of web3 integrations not just profile pic NFTs\n\nAnd of course not everyone will want to use an expensive NFT as their pfp \n\nBut the right-click save argument against NFTs having value is made by people who aren’t looking forward enough, and it is just plain wrong.", "It's a dumb concept that's only going to kill the planet in the long run.", "Modern hashes are more like 256 or 512 bits, so while collisions are possible (by definition, since there are a finite number of possible outputs but an infinite number of possible inputs), they're very very very unlikely to happen by chance in reality. Hash outputs are effectively random, and at that many bits, you're looking at something like the odds that you flip a coin 256 times and get \"heads, tails, heads, tails...\" perfectly. \n\nAnd no, changing a pixel or two won't preserve the same hash. Hashing algorithms are designed to be wildly sensitive to change, such that even a single bit flip will result in a new hash that bears no resemblance to the original. Flipping bits to try to get a particular hash is how cryptocurrencies are mined, that's why they collectively burn a small county's worth of energy, and even then it's just part of the hash that they try to manipulate. The whole hash is completely out of reach. \n\nGoing in reverse from the hash is also practically impossible, unless you have alien technology or millions of years to crunch numbers, and if you wanted an image file and not just random bits, it's even harder.\n\nThis is one area of cryptocurrencies where they're using something real and proven. The rest of it is often a different story.", "Domestic cats are already “kittens” in a sense, relative to their larger, wild counterparts. It’s called neoteny, and companion animals were bred to retain more juvenile characteristics—whether morphologically, physiologically, and/or behaviorally—in order to be companion animals.", "Lu Lu Lu", "No, that was a comedy show on Adult Swim...", "Your comment is correct, as most people simply trust the digital systems setup to trade stocks without needing a physical certificate of ownership.\n\nHowever there is irony to be found in the fact that there are actually many issues with stock ownership regarding the DTCC, and this is the reason holders of $GME are now DRS’ing their stock so that their stock cannot be naked shorted by market manipulators. \n\nThe second level of irony is that it is widely speculated that GameStop plans to soon issue NFT’s of some kind, in lieu of traditional dividends to stockholders, which folks hope will play a part in forcing the ‘mother of all short squeezes’ (because only the real owner of a stock will get the nft, not the entities shorting stocks they don’t own).\n\nThe grand idea is that blockchain can eventually (hopefully) save the stock market from fraudsters, make it truly equitable, and strengthen its immunity to manipulation.", "I never said they weren't allowed to spend their money on scams. Whether or not something is a scam is a pretty important thing, but I guess you're OK with scams existing just to fleece people of money.", "Doesn't need to be enforced because the person buying it will check it on the blockchain released by the IP rights holder. One will trace back to the owner, one will trace back to a guy in his bedroom. Really doesn't take much to understand the technology. Instead of broadcasting your ignorance, just go read a book.", "Exactly. They're beanie babies...without the physical items.", "That’s literally what handwaving is. Where you bring up all the reasons in favor of something and then for the issues you just simply say “oh but those also exist.”\n\nFrom Wikipedia: [Handwaving] is most often applied to debate techniques that involve . . . the glossing over of details. \n\n“It’s a real problem, to be sure” is one of the most common and reliable signals someone is about to engage in it. Which you just did with your comment. Your conclusion is what amounts to “environmental concerns won’t be an issue once proof of stake comes out.”\n\nI sincerely hope your policy writing takes into consideration more than you let on. Because if not, sorry to say it, but your unwillingness to put weight towards this very important aspect of the problem means your policy is likely just working backwards from what you want it to be—not what it should be.", "From someone who’s studied this: Contracts need legal backing so that a neutral third party can determine 1)whether there was a contract entered into at all 2) if so what the terms of the contract are 3) whether there was a breach of those terms and 4) if there was a breach whether there are the remedies available and what those remedies are.", "You just tried to say this technology is better because documents can be forged and this can not. You are now admitting that it is potentially hackable, so how the fuck is it any different? Fraud is unlikely but possible in both instances. You’re an idiot", "So...you admit that NFTs are not an investment. They're a greater fools scheme: you buy them to make money off of selling them to someone else to be the bagholder. Just like scammers.", "Until blockchain has actual utility, it’s just a bunch of people bragging loudly about their digital beanie babies.", "I simply asked you how a NFT holder makes money off of their ugly ape picture. Don't get upset with me because you are backed into a corner.", "That literally looks like selling future money for current money.", "So in summation: NFTs are all scams to extract money from your pocket and transfer the money to mine?", "But all the big crypto exchanges involved with NFTs sure do make it easy to launder money using NFTs on their dedicated platforms", "> Were NFTs created to show how bullshit crypto has gotten?\n\nThey are also good at showing how bullshit collecting has become, and how some people have too much money. If people are willing to collect licenses for digital art that anyone can download, then what is next? I realize it's partly greed, FOMO, and money laundering driving the NFT market, but I've seen way too many people defending NFTs as a means for digital collecting. And in recent years, collecting itself has become pretty absurd with people paying thousands for old video games and sneakers that will just sit on their shelf. Personally I think it's a side-effect of something missing in their life, but that's a whole different discussion.", "The second I saw “ It's not something the average person could easily grasp,” I knew you were some idiot trying to convince themselves they aren’t getting scammed. You are. Beanie babies are a better investment", "Great and the Lebron James Holo MMXX NBA Top Shot NFT has an average sale price of 29,000 dollars. The code and its position on the blockchain is something that many people would like to virtually own. There are only 59 of them minted. The NFT itself is not valueless, it is the source of the value. \n\nLiterally everything you angrily spewed here is true of the Top Shot NFTs except for your insertion of the word \"physical\" \n\nWhen you break a baseball card down to its constituent parts, as the people claiming NFTs are valueless do for NFTs, then it is indeed valueless. It is only the combination of the rarity and desirability of the item that gives it any value. The same is true of NFTs. \n\nBefore calling other people dumb you should consider whether you actually understand anything going on in the conversation. It seems like you are dramatically underequipped for this conversation.", "Blockchain doesn't solve double spend for anything off chain though. Sure the \"signed paper\" can't be sold twice, but you can make as many copies of that paper as you want and sell them. People are assuming that the chain solves any of this, but really it's only solved in courts when the multiple owners realize they've been duped. With digital goods though, it's hard for the owners to even discover each other to even begin the process of going after the fraudster.", "I’m a [photographer too](https://friedmud.photography) but I do make sure that my display images on my site are lower resolution and have my company name on them (though - not a huge watermark). When you buy something from me (even the digital file) it comes without the text on it - and from a full resolution image.\n\nOver the years I have found that even a small watermark keeps the honest people honest. It’s just like a lock on a house… if someone really wants to rip you off they will do it no matter what you do… but there are also the “casual” copiers that would copy something if they thought it was easy… or would pay a couple of bucks (my digitals all start at $5) to not be hassled by it.\n\nYMMV", "Some day I’ll see someone on Reddit use “muh logical fallacy” and it’ll actually apply, not today though.\n\nIt’s a completely valid response to wanting to ban something for being bad at X, while engaging in something with no greater benefit which is far worse in regard to X. \n\nIf someone wants to ban cruise ships because they’re terrible for the environment and they never use them, it’s completely legitimate to call them a hypocrite for taking 20 intercontinental flights a year for holidays. \n\nIt’s only a fallacy if you use it to say “this isn’t a problem because that’s worse”, it’s not a fallacy to say “this is a problem but it also exists to a greater degree with these other industries and no-one is banning those because of the problem”. You sound like someone who likes to point out comparisons as “whataboutisms”, call them a logical fallacy and then ride off into the sunset pretending you’ve in some way won the argument. \n\n>Also tacking on to say that Proof of Stake was “coming soon” back when I was mining Ethereum at $20usd/ETH — don’t hold your breath.\n\nTIL Ethereum is the only cryptocurrency and any others using Proof of Stake don’t count because reasons.", "Just part of the transitionary period. As far as if crypto will entirely replace modern currencies, who's to say? At the very least it seems running side-by-side is plausible in the near future.", "Someone didn’t watch the video.", "Not at all, I think scams should be prevented. But a scam to you isn’t a scam to me and there needs to be strict definition around that.\n\nTo me, organised religion is a scam but I believe it should exist.\n\nMe buying a little receipt of a jpeg cat is fine, no one forced me and I wasn’t tricked or misled by the platform I purchased it in and I bought it with my own money, freely.", "Lmao okay bud.", "youtube-dl.\n\nFor some sites you also need ffmpeg to convert video stream to a single video file, and some extra parameters.", "This is called \"moving the goal posts\". Your earlier comment said \"no government accepts it as real money\". Come to me when you're not pretending to be smart anymore.", "They've gotten better at making it harder:\n\n* Using the background-image property so you can't drag or right-click it\n* Using a data URL so you can't easily find/save it\n* Using a canvas (so you have to screenshot it, or use devtools to convert to data URL)", "Correct, except that with an NFT like NBA Top Shot which is a direct parallel to NBA cards, the minting is limited to a certain number and they're officially licensed by the NBA. So Dapper owns the machine, but they don't print an infinite number (of course, because that would dilute the value of collecting) and nobody else is permitted to sell officially licensed NFTs (of course, because then the NBA would be diluting its own product). \n\nSure, I can send you a link to a gif of the same play, the same way I can send you a picture of a Mike Trout rookie card, but I think we would both agree that those are not the same thing as owning a licensed certificate or card.", "> Modern hashes are more like 256 or 512 bits\n\nMy bad, I misread 32bytes as 32bits.", "That’s awesome… how does one get started doing this? Are you using a ETH wallet for the NFTs? Are you ever paying gas fees?", "Great info! A lot of my optimism for NFTs comes from that the system is coded specifically to perform the function of that neutral third party. Your points, 1-4, are all currently programmable with smart contracts on many different blockchains. Some already have lending programs where smart contracts for loans are written. In my eyes, well written software code can serve as a far more reliably neutral adjudicator. Exciting and thought-provoking stuff!", "On the contrary, that is exactly what is happening with sports-based NFTs. If you'd like to see how much the \"cards\" go for you can go to: https://nbatopshot.com/search\n\nThe NBA licenses these, it's not a link to an image of the card. It is a virtual card that is minted, has a serial number and a seamless market to sell it and buy it. There are thousands of transactions a day, all of which are indexed and accessible so you can price according to the market. \n\nBy your own terms, these NFTs have value.", "[Yea...hi, uh, Mr. \"The Plague\".....I think we got a hacker here...](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShadowyGoodnaturedDeviltasmanian-mobile.mp4)", "https://discord.gg/y6Yps2Mj just join. You’ll thank me later", "</puts on gloves with finger holes cut out>\n\nRemember to close your tags!", "Are you claiming that what I said isn't true? Are you claiming that all NFTs are just a hyperlink to where the image is being hosted?\n\nWhat's the point of your comment? Do you have anything of substance to say? Do you want to try to refute the factual statement that I made? \n\nOP made a claim, it was false, I pointed that out. What's your problem here?", "So they're nothing like Beanie Babies.\n\nThey're microtransaction cash-shop items without a game attached.", "Have fun loosing all your money to scammers and money launderers you fucking idiot", "And this is why you don’t listen to random strangers on the internet for investing advice. Most of them don’t even know what they’re talking about", "I still don't understand how the purchaser wouldn't own the image. I get that it may look the same on your computer as it does on mine, but why wouldn't I own the image and associated rights if I buy the nft?", "The hyperlink really doesn't matter.\n\nIf an artist publishes their wallet ID and they release an NFT sources with that account, the owner of that NFT can prove that:\n\n* They own the NFT\n* The NFT was created by/on behalf of said artist\n\nThe NFT could include a link to the artwork, but it could just as easily be some text with the title of a known, published piece of art. The point has NEVER been that \"only the NFT owner can access the content\".", "It’s not about the art. It’s about the money. Pure speculation.", "> no one forced me and I wasn’t tricked or misled by the platform I purchased it in and I bought it with my own money, freely.\n\nNo one forces you to accept their God when you walk into the door of a church. No one forces you to donate money when you get there. So therefore, religion is not a scam like you said, based on your own definition:\n\n> To me, organised religion is a scam but I believe it should exist.\n\nAccording to your post, it seems you think a scam can only be if someone forces you to give then money. That's not a scam, that's a mugging.", "Confirmed", "https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4384071", "Excellent hypothesis. My only bit of evidence in support of the dirt view is that the dark spots look chunky. But that could be an illusion.", "Beanie Babies were a commodity that people overvalued, tried to sell each other at insane prices, until eventually everyone realized that a little stuffed toy couldn't possibly be worth thousands and the market crashed. I think they're very much alike digital beanie babies.", "Considering the Dems aren’t winning back the presidency, I doubt any regulation happens with specifically NFTs for 6 years.", "The scamming is it’s best use. Constant unregulated wash-selling.", "The NFT contains the hash of the object (its condensed representation). Since the object is stored on the IPFS, its hash is also the \"address\" to retrieve it. That's why the 'artist' in the video is either a bit wrong or deceptive.", "Yeah, they definitely don't work to prove ownership...at best, they show a chain of custody but anything that happened before that chain starts is anyone's guess. So what's happening now is that people are out there minting NFTs for art the don't own, but according to the blockchain? Well, now they do! \n\nAnd they can sell it to someone else who can claim ownership, but in reality ownership has never existed anywhere in this chain of custody. It's just a record of people paying for something that never existed.", "Why does not trust one another matter? The current property system actually works really well, you can get all these records easily.", "Are you comparing objectively shitty nfts with Picasso?", "You can see all this through auditor websites right now.", "::loud knocks on your door::\n\"Police! Open up!\"", "What a load of absolute bullshit. He acknowledged the problem. Get over yourself.", "Patreon is a middleman. Crypto is much closer to peer to peer.", "This was such an interesting watch.", "Crypto generally has much higher fees.", "Ugh what a stupid comment.\n\nProperty tax is a thing, according to you no one owns their property then since property tax exists. Even if you want to take this frame of reference, what does that cynicism contribute to the convo? The same situation remains.", "I’m sorry, was that supposed to explain who you were accusing of hating NFTs but loving meat?", "> Boom, you have 'physical' ownership of a digital game. You can resell it as a second hand copy, and Sony can't delete it if you dispute with them. \n\nWhat on earth makes you think that game studios have any interest in giving you the right to resell their games?\n\nDo you really think you don't get those rights now because the technology to grant them doesn't exist? \n\nNewsflash: A system for game ownership and even transfer can and has existed apart from physical media. It's not complicated and it doesn't need to use the absurd amounts of energy consumed through this blockchain shit. It's actually a lot easier than that.\n\nTime will tell that NFTs are a grift, that they are being used to steal money from gullible rubes and launder money involved in illicit transactions. The government will step in and regulate shit to clamp down on both of these groups and the entire market will dissolve overnight. \n\nNobody will adopt this tech because nobody has any reason to do so.", "Yeah I think gaming NFTs have potential. Also NFTs that allow you some sort of exclusive access or ones that let you invest in the creation of music and art.", "I like the analogy of star ownership certificate a user made more than the treasure map one.\n\nThe NFT is the certificate saying you own the star. On it, you have the directions on how to find your star (the third one on the left from Venus etc.).\n\nHaving the certificate doesn't stop anyone from looking at your star.", "You should consider why you're so angry and seek help for it. \n\nConsider the tone you entered the conversation with vs. the previous tone of the conversation. Do you think your contribution to the conversation was positive or negative? Do you think it encouraged others to reconsider their views or was it just a way for you to take out emotional energy? Was your goal to convince anyone or was it to redirect negative feelings you have? \n\nNewsflash: you're not as smart as you seem to think you are and I would not be surprised if the people around you judge you for it. Your disposition is off-putting and I suspect that loneliness is the root of why you project so much anger online.\n\nAt the end you position yourself as concerned about my financial wellbeing. Is that sincerely your position? You're just trying to save me from being scammed? Or is there something else going on that you'd like to talk about?", "> The blockchain means you wouldn't need to pay a lawyer for a title search, your deed isn't locked behind a data solo only accessible between 8 and 4, Monday to Friday. You can see if there are liens against something you want to buy directly on the chain, it's sale history to see if anything shady is going on? All without having to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to 'professionals ' who profit immensely from these legacy systems. \n\nYou don't need the blockchain for that. The original source could simply made accessible for free with some realistic usage restrictions.", "Property tax is a thing, and unpaid will lead to eviction as well.", "How do you know it's an official collection?", "lol, just wanted to show my support for you trying to explain relatively complex technical things to people.\n\n\nWhat if I give my neighbor my password to my email account? Doesn't sound very secure to me!", "Except that a share is fungible. So you don't use NFTs to represent them, you use regular tokens", "Who blockchains the blockchain?", "Have you heard of GET protocol?", "I’m not, but the buyers, based on what they’re paying, maybe are?\n\nIm just sketching out how they’re paying for status rather than ownership. \n\nPersonally, I don’t understand how that “art” is being valued so highly, but I also dont understood why people thought a series of paintings of Campbell’s soup cans was brilliant either… I’d argue that art is subjective, and even if I like art that demands technical and creative genius, the only art that is truly “objectively shitty” would have to involve literal feces (and I’m sure that exists).", "Actually found a site once (can't remember it, think it was an image host) that would render the file.jpg direct link in the browser or a page hosted on them, but any attempt to save it would result in a forbidden error, even tried from node js with fetch with no success. No idea how they did that.", "You’re all up and down this thread vehemently defending NFTs. I’m not sure you’re going to be all too good faith of an actor when you yourself are aggressively attacking any criticisms that don’t fit your narrative. \n\nAlso, acknowledging a problem is a requisite part of handwaving it. Did you not read the definition I posted?", "But you never bought a Picasso. You bought a card with a map on it to the museum where the Picasso is displayed. You don't own the Picasso or the museum, but you own the map that shows you how to get there.", "Your comment is pointedly false and directly addressed in the video. OPs was correct. Had you watched the video or even skimmed it, you’d realize that.", "What elections are digital? I live in Germany and every election here works with paper ballots and I know in the US they have voting machines but I'm fairly certain that they keep a paper backup too. Digital elections (especially via the internet) are just a straight up a bad idea when we have a system that's perfectly adequate for the job that everyone can understand and trust.", "gambling is fun", "I mean, I'm not wrong.", "For 76k per GB? Thank you but, no, thank you. I can have a literal throne made of hard drives, or a server in a datacenter for that price.\n\nThe only misinformed weirdo is you, cryptobro.", "NFTs are possibly quite useful as a certificate of ownership of a digital good. However the circumstances in which that is a useful ability are limited.", "Except you don't own the image.\nIn your scenario, you would own a livestream of the image.\nProbably not even that.", "And the NFL makes millions off rigging games for sports betters. Just because something makes money, doesn’t mean it’s not a scam.", "You do physically own the securities you purchase tho lmao. You can even redeem futures in the physical good. That's why the futures price of oil went briefly negative during COIVD, because the cost of storing and transporting oil was higher than the expected future value of that oil.", "You'd think, but It's listed as part of a service provided by the bank when I got my mortgage. I asked them the same question and it boiled down to \"they can still drag you into court and make you hire a lawyer to prove it's yours\"", "And what do you own when you buy BTC? You have a really-hard-to-forge receipt for a really-hard-to-forge copy of someone's electricity bill.", "Not worth my time", "I'm aggressively defending facts and refuting misinformation.\n\nIf you have a problem with that then you need to self-reflect. Every single thing I've said about NFTs are factually true and instead of DISCUSSING THAT and the reality that people are spreading misinformation and I'm correcting it, you're ignoring it entirely. Fucking loser.", "It’s blockchains all the way down!", "This is getting to the question of why we value art in the first place. Fair question. Why is an original worth more than a duplicate? \n\nBut outside of that, the advantage is you can transfer ownership of the art. It is also possible to identify which wallets own the art or artist. This has led to artists being able to give back to their actual supporters directly and for online communities to form over these shared interests.", "There is a lot of things wrong with nfts. This is not one of those things. You can proof that you own that nft because you own the wallet it's associated with.", "Given that no legal systems enforce that, yes, they can indeed do that. If it’s an nft with a copyright, no, but then the NFT is doing nothing it’s the copyright doing the heavy lifting", "The thing is, GameStop could do this without Blockchain at all. Cd keys were transferable for many games at one point. I unregister the key from my acct and sell it to someone else.\n\nThe reason this doesn't exist anymore is because game studios would prefer that everyone buy another copy (of course). NFTs will not solve a market problem.", "Im being a dick to you because your an asshole trying to convince other people to participate in a scam. I’m not treating you with respect because you deserve none. Frankly, if you stopped using this website all of us would be better off and I’m willing to help make that happen. Plus it’s fun fucking with idiots who deserve it. Which you definitely do", "Generally that is a still a private arrangement and I didn't deny it, I said contemplate. Most are trading the assigned human value of the product not the actual product.", "That's different", "So when you're confronted with the reality that you're factually wrong, instead of having a reckoning, you just move onto another talking point... that it costs a lot?\n\nPathetic.\n\nYou were wrong and spreading misinformation and instead of acknowledging that you just flee to the next thing you can think of - ironically a point that further emphasizes the fact that you were wrong in original statement. Explain what I'm misinformed about? You're the one making factually incorrect statements. What have I said that's wrong?", "I’m curious. Why is Geoffrey’s nails so dirty? Where has those fingers been before the interview?", "I'd like to sell you a pallet of heroin for a million dollars. The problem being that the million dollars can't be spent on much at all without the IRS asking \"where tf did you get that million?\"\n\nSo me and my cartel buddies create a ring of crypto wallets and mint an NFT of your comment on reddit asking how to launder money. Then we \"sell\" that NFT to one another for progressively more and more money over a few weeks until the stupid thing is \"worth\" a million dollars because a bunch of anonymous wallets that nobody can track all bought it for that much.\n\nI come back to you and say \"here, buy this million-dollar NFT of your reddit comment and I'll throw in a pallet of heroin for free\". You buy it, and I report the transaction to the IRS. I even pay taxes on it. \n\nAnd now I have a million dollars (minus taxes) of perfectly legal money that I can spend on whatever tf I want. Uncle Sam even got his cut. \n\nThis is what is demonstrably happening in the NFT world right now. NFTs are one of the greatest money laundering vehicles ever created...because, as a money launderer, the hardest thing to do is conjure a significant amount of legitimate value out of thin air. You usually have to hide it among thousands upon thousands of smaller cash transactions that are difficult (if not impossible) to track. Art has been a laundering vehicle in the past, but that's a tough one as well because creating value takes time and the sales are easily tracked between buyers. That's a pretty critical step in authenticating art.\n\nBut an NFT? Well, that can be sold and bought between a hundred anonymous wallets owned by three people and look completely legit, while also being completely untraceable. \n\nThe only thing you need is a bunch of hype and a bunch of rubes in the mix who will obfuscate your actions. So you generate buzz through some high-profile artists who are probably in on the scam. Get a few people to go out and appear to make a shit ton of money off of this. Maybe find a few journalists who don't mind writing an article to prop up this insanity. \n\nOnce you get it to a critical mass, you loot it until it collapses under government regulation/intervention.", "Technically I think that’s basically correct, with the exception that the artist sold it as a limited edition map, and you can publicly broadcast that you’re the one who bought it. It’s all about status rather than ownership. My comment really isn’t pro-NFT, it’s just explaining that this isn’t news to the NFT millionaires. \n\nAdmittedly, I do understand that John/Jane doe getting lured into buying the next cartoon animal NFT project has no idea how all this works, but I also don’t think that person is buying it for the art anyways. They’re buying it hoping “number goes up”.", "I get what you’re saying, but consider gifting someone a car for Christmas. You would need to transfer the title to the one being gifted, or in the eyes law they’d just be driving someone else’s car with their permission.\n\nSo, I wouldn’t take that example as a cogent argument against ownership being proof of purchase per se.", "The average Joe isn't making money from NFL though.", "Cause that's not what an nft is. It's not an image it's a hyperlink to the image. It's like what the interviewee says: it's a treasure map not the treasure. The treasure is the image, the treasure map is the nft. Just because you own a treasure map that shows how to find the treasure doesn't mean you also own the treasure and there in fact could be multiple copies of the same map that all point to the same treasure that might not even exist anymore.", "Yes but they are redeemable in the actual product, that's why they represent the value of the product.", "whoosh", "That's not true, it's just a different concensus mechanism that doesn't solve useless math problems.", "LMAO I do this for a living\n\nI actually know the process of making on-chain assets and do it, you absolute fucking clown.\n\nThis is so embarrassing for you.\n\nIf the video says anything other than what I'm saying then it's just as wrong as you are. How many times are you going to double down on being factually, incontrovertibly wrong?\n\n[https://www.forgottenrunes.com/posts/on-chain](https://www.forgottenrunes.com/posts/on-chain)\n\n\"Oh but a video on youtube says otherwise therefore factual reality doesn't count!\"", "Well here neither a fact or misinformation is at issue. It’s a lack of the facts necessary to have a healthy narrative. \n\nI am an attorney who works closely with two federal environmental agencies. If one of their policy advisors handed me what the person above just wrote, I would seriously question whether they understood the issue. \n\nYou jumped in and for whatever reason decided to defend analysis that’s so bad there’s even a name for it. You should be concerned this person writes environmental policy. They consider more than just your precious NFTs, you know.", "That’s not that ridiculous, it shouldn’t be difficult to get a marriage officiated", "They give out cheap posters or other crappy items. I’m saying like a serial numbered, limited item with a COA that’s actually desirable. There are used promotional long sleeve tees from the 2002 spider-man release that sell for $200+ on eBay.", "some sites disable the F12 key... >_>", "What do you mean by \"no copy right license attached\"? Copyright is automatic in many (most?) countries, including the US.", "Pretty easy, actually.\n\nSo, with the framework I use there's a Request object that includes the referrer, so www.website.com, method (GET, POST, PUT, etc.), page URL (anything that isn't the domain name) and a bunch of other information about your request - some of which can theoretically be spoofed, and some of which is required for your request to go through.\n\nI could store my images in a folder below the web root, and when you make a request to www.website.com/images/pic.jpg, the /images folder isn't an actual physical folder, it's a simulated location, which triggers the URL rewriting and makes the framework process the request.\n\nAt that point, I can check your cookies, session data, CSRF key, or whatever else to make sure you should have access as part of the request (i.e. if only certain users with permissions can view the file). Similarly, I can also restrict based on the referrer to make sure that I'm only serving images to pages on my site or approved sites. I can check the method to make sure you're using GET, it's not an XHR request, that it's an Http request and not an Ftp request, etc.\n\nFor most sites that's unnecessary, because serving images isn't their deal. But for other sites that's absolutely required.", "Jesus a shill fuck storm here", "So if my original comment said \"no country but 1\" you would have no problem? I find that hard to believe. Come back to me when you're not a bitch.", "I've honestly no idea what joke you're trying to make, so you agree NFTs are potentially profitable if invested in shrewdly?", "I'm sorry that you're so miserable. I sincerely hope you get help.\n\nIt's notable that almost every post in your recent history is vitriolic. I don't think that's normal or healthy.", "Banks store your money, unless a meteor destroys the Earth.", "It’s an interesting concept. When you are a kid and have a favorite toy, and you break it. Then your mom buys you a new one. It doesn’t quite feel the same does it?\n\nThe other part is, the nft has more utility because of the fact it’s verifiable on the chain. If you want to have a party with only people who hold an original, you can verify and keep out the people who don’t own the original. That utility can be applied more broadly as the use of NFTs grows outside of the art world.", "That's how I download all my po... Linus ISOs", "lmao you're such a fucking moron\n\nYou've got the facts wrong, mr shit lawyer, so grow up and come to terms with it like any functioning adult would.", "That's disgusting! Where?", "I am not in the habit on getting my snake oil information from the men trying to sell it, thanks.", "Hard drives full of 'ISOs'", "Depends on the website and how it's hosted. Lot a sites allow you to download the video. Some are streaming it in parts that can't be downloaded. But there are other software tools that can download anything", "Yeah, they do. I'm going to stop arguing with you now because you're clearly a one week old troll account, have no idea what you're talking about, and aren't engaging in good faith.", "Proof of work is environmentally friendly?", "A.) The art isn't stored on the public ledger, a simple link is.\n\nB.) The art at the end of the link is hosted by a central authority and can be changed at any time by that central authority.\n\nC.) The vast majority of NFTs aren't a license. That's not how any of this works. They're just links. If you want to put a whole license into an NFT, you're going to pay out the ass for it.\n\nD.) All of this and more are explained in the video. You're getting downvoted because your \"facts\" are very expressly covered there and you're wrong.", "Please reread my comment and think about what it implies before snap commenting with your own nonsense.", "rofl you can verify it for yourself\n\nhow stupid are you dude?\n\nget off your ass and verify it for yourself, dummy\n\nunbelievably pathetic\n\nyou must be an outrageously shitty lawyer if you cant get such easily available information verified for yourself", "I don't know what you mean, I know I'm not talking nonsense though", "Care to explain? Can I legally give out copies of a painting in my possession then?\n\nOr are you just saying that my personal opinion that I morally should have that right is \"wrong\"? If that's the case, go fuck yourself. An artist should be able to make money from their work if they wish, but actively preventing it from being distributed is a form of censorship that damages our culture.", "idk enough about this but you're not buying the image. I can \"right click\" one of these and have it myself and in fact when I click on the page I'm able to view all these images free of charge whenever I want. you're buying a certificate of authenticity of the image that links to the image. If these virtual cards are no longer hosted by topshot you will essentially own nothing but a blockchain number.", "you're literally incapable of having a conversation\n\nyou still cant acknowledge the facts and that you're wrong, you just move on to other shit", "The video. I watched it.", "Well someone needs to actually do this. While it's painful, exposing issues leads to the technology evolving, while hiding issues only leads to stagnation.", "LMAO\n\nyou're unambiguously stupid as fuck\n\ni'm talking facts. you're too childlike to engage on that level. literally \"i watched a video on youtube therefore i know what im talking about now even though someone who actually does it explaining that i dont\"\n\nyou're wildly contemptible. this stuff isnt arguable. it's the most basic facts about nfts and you have them wrong lol", "So the actual product is exclusive access to a group composed entirely of people willing to pay 50k to be part of an exclusive group.", "Alleged photos of yugioh cards. In two weeks they'll be kiddie porn.", "No, a scam would be when I’m tricked into parting with my money I’m return for little to no product. With the NFTs I own I got exactly what I expected at the price that was told to me. I bought some references to images encoded as an NFT on the blockchain and it was made clear to me what I was buying.\n\nI also didn’t buy them expecting it to go up in value (but that would also be permissible, people buy real estate and artwork for that purpose after all).\n\nPoint being that I purchased exactly what I expected for the price I was expecting, without an ounce of trickery and I own multiple NFTs all with the same positive/neutral experience.\n\nWhere have I been scammed?", "OMG, nfts aren't even hashes of an image. I sort of intuitively thought they are hashes, so the image could be lost, but couldn't be tampered with.\n\nNow that I know they are urls, why are they not url+hash? At least that way you could prevent someone from replacing your precious image with illegal content. \n\nIt's a trivial way to prove authenticity, why haven't they done that?", "I just looked at your photos and it cost me nothing. Can I download one?", "it was easy money so yup.", "That was literally the original critique of the comment. That PoW was not environmentally friendly, and needed acknowledged more robustly for any good faith discussion to progress. \n\nYou’re saying that I have my facts wrong. That’s the only related factual assertion in this entire thread—whether an environmental policy writer should consider the environment more when reasoning through the merits of blockchain. Someone said they did not, and that they handwaved it. You said they did not handwave it. You now just said not only was it not handwaved, but that the facts are wrong wholesale! A pretty outlandish claim, so I asked you to clarify. You then continued to sling more shit. And here we are with me having to explain to you your own position on a matter. \n\nI am so glad that my career doesn’t depend on a fad catching on…", "Yes. In fact, they talk about this in the video. Sometimes people get \"the rug pulled out from underneath them\" when the url owner changes the link to point to a picture of a rug.", "Yes, people who have studied art, understand the history of it, and understand the historical significance of a specific piece value it highly. \n\nClearly it's a scam though, and not that some random person on the internet doesn't get it.", "I have a feeling you are personally vested in this scam, cryptobro. 99% sure. I'm not gonna debate snake oil efficacy with a snake oil salesman. Anyone else interested, can actually watch the video. These points are actually addressed.", "- I know. I've never said the whole art is stored on the Blockchain. Still some artists choose to sell their art as NFTs, meaning they're selling an NFT associated with their art. This is just a fact, where else would the NFTs come from otherwise lol.\n- Yeah, it can, and I agree that's the stupid part of all the NFT craze, but the ownership itself cannot, so as long as it's easily identifiable that \"person A bought piece of art B\", the data of the art is not the important thing (as you, others, and me, said, you can anyway just right click save as, right?). I think there should be at least some kind of hash stored on the Blockchain for it to be useful too.\n- it doesn't have to be a license as by law and there anyway isn't support for that yet, but simple \"ownership\" is a kind of license. Again, it just says, \"person A bought art B\" and that information it unforgeable\n- I still don't think anything I've said is factually wrong. And don't get me wrong, I also think the current most well known use case for NFT (selling pixelated monkey images) is stupid. But the technology is great and has potential.\n\nEdit: But thank you for responding. I like discussing even with someone who doesn't agree with me.", "Bad actors exist with or without the systems that they use. I don’t think a few bad apples makes the entire orchard rotten.", "It's honestly even simpler than that. Let's say I have a few million i want to turn \"legit\". I create some procedurally generated NFTs, how many ever I want, then a bunch of \"people\" who definitely aren't puppet accounts buy these NFTs from me and my millions are now legitimate. \n\nI don't even really need to hype the NFT, only make sure my puppet accounts aren't able to trace back to my wallet.", "It's just a link. While it's hypothetically possible to store an image in the Blockchain, it is prohibitively expensive to do so, which is why urls are shared instead", "Consensus of whom? There's no way to decentralize the poll of who is coming to a consensus without either centralizing authority by having a governing body pick them or leaving it vulnerable to a 51% by a bad actor by letting just anyone become part of the \"stake\".", ">... the only way out with a profit is to sell it to someone who wants it more\n\nWow, you explained every market ever. Congratulations.", "The Wiki is certainly a synopsis for it all. Regardless of where the bottle neck occurs, it’s overkill to use these concepts for their hyped up use cases.", "Why do conspiracies always end at child porn? People need to think up something orginal", "That’s great, I don’t think you’re normal or healthy either. It least I’m not falling for a scam that any idiot could see through, and encouraging other people to do the same. Or so pathetic that I have to stalk someone’s account in order to feel like I’ve “won.” By the way my comment history has nothing to do with what we’re talking about and in no way proves you right or wrong. It just makes you look dumber for thinking it matters.", "I do it on my art portfolio.\nI don't want people to just save my art and potentially use it somewhere el e, at least with that right click thing I can make them know I don't want them to simple save my work.", "[https://www.one37pm.com/nft/tech/on-chain-and-off-chain-nfts](https://www.one37pm.com/nft/tech/on-chain-and-off-chain-nfts)\n\n[https://blog.0xmons.xyz/79081566310](https://blog.0xmons.xyz/79081566310)\n\n[https://anonymicenft.medium.com/anonymice-100-on-chain-randomly-generated-free-nfts-ce7ea8d8d5b3](https://anonymicenft.medium.com/anonymice-100-on-chain-randomly-generated-free-nfts-ce7ea8d8d5b3)\n\n[https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/flavours-of-on-chain-svg-nfts-on-ethereum](https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/flavours-of-on-chain-svg-nfts-on-ethereum)\n\n[https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/itit-2018-0019/html#:\\~:text=On%2Dchain%20Storage%20%E2%80%93%20the%20ability,forms%20off%20of%20the%20blockchain](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/itit-2018-0019/html#:~:text=On%2Dchain%20Storage%20%E2%80%93%20the%20ability,forms%20off%20of%20the%20blockchain).\n\nAdmit you're wrong. If you have ANY integrity or interest in the truth then you will admit that you're wrong.", "This is all way stupider than I thought NFT actually was gonna be.", "So you can't have two NFT selling the same content/hash?", "Not every market depends on speculation like NFTs do, especially NFT art.", "Only if you use proof of work networks!\n\nThere are a handful of proof of stake networks up where transactions are like 1.6x the energy usage of a single Google search.", "That's not true at all, there have been plenty of valid use cases of Blockchain. NFTs however is another story.", "Sure, but couldn't you do that with a gpg encrypted receipt as well?", "The person who creates the art gets automatic copyright protection. The NFT can, but typically doesn't, transfer that license.", "Personally I’m digging into solutions with Solana using the Phantom wallet. \n\nGas fees over there are like $0.0001 per transaction. Costs _something_ but is essentially free.", "What do you get in return for your NFT purchase? What rights does owning the NFT give you? How do you make money off of this NFT?\n\nThat's what makes it a scam. Just because you are OK paying money to get nothing but a jpg in return doesn't mean it's not a scam. \n\nLet's use beanie babies as an example. Let's say I sell you an \"exclusive\" beanie baby for $20,000. I purchased this beanie baby for $1 at my local thrift store. \n\nDid you get scammed by that sale? By your own definition, you didn't. You wanted to buy an overpriced beanie baby and I obliged you. I'm not a scammer for making up the price 20,000% right?", "NFT is not a scam\n\nNFT Art is", "We’re not hoping for that. We don’t need the legal standing to help us here, we also know we don’t own the rights to the imagery.\n\nOwnership is a community exercise and whether you own your car or whether I own it is because there is community consensus that the legal system (car registry or similar) defines that. The community (your country) is large enough to agree that they all respect the registry and if someone defies it then they do not have true ownership.\n\nWhat’s happened in the last year or so is that there’s now a community of people large enough that also respects this registry of ownership. The copyright does not matter to that community, not in the sense of they disrespect it but more in the sense that to this community the ownership is defined by the blockchain record and not the copyright. Obviously it needs to have been endorsed by the creator to be respected by that community.\n\nWhat people seem to lose their minds over is that there is a community of people large enough to actually have respected ownership in this way because they can’t see it, but it’s now past the tipping point where this thing can sustain itself. No one really cares about the legal standing here since the respected registry of ownership is already the blockchain.", "I mean couldn't people upload terrible gore or CP to anyones wallet to make that wallet essentially a criminal wallet without consent from the wallet owner?", "Fair point, I'm not as familiar on the technical details of ownership with the art side of things.", "Key words, present form", "You have to stake a substantial amount of ether so it is against self interest to be a bad actor.", "So pic.jpg is actually a server side script/servlet that may return an image if conditions are met? That makes a lot of sense and it's pretty easy.\n\nI thought that if the image is already downloaded by the browser and shown on page maybe it does not need to check the server again when I try to save it.\n\nDo you think it's possible for a tool like postman to make a request that fools these checks?\n\nEither way thanks for the detailed response.", "You don't have to hype anything now. My contention is that the entire NFT boom is false hype generated by money launderers and other grifters. If you trace the hype back, every early \"big\" transaction is suspicious as fuck...", "Ah gotcha.", "If the pirate manages to get enough diffusion he becomes the original creator of the NFTs and his will be the ones to hold value, the artist won't be able to compete. This is not uncommon, however the most common approach is to purchase NFTs shared in the social media of the author/minting entity. That exposure and buzz is usually where the NFT value comes from.\n\nYes, if he fails to share the NFT in his social media said NFT would hold a lesser value, intrinsically, it might hold a lesser value if the market doesn't deem it worthy of value which happens pretty often once an artist falls from the spotlight", "Look on their Facebook/Twitter I think every month or couple of months you can go to an official sponsor store and you recieve it for free when you buy X amount of product. I think the most sought after were the Monster Reborn reprint, Dark magician girl and Chaos dark magician or whatever the name was. \n\nhttps://shop.tcgplayer.com/yugioh/magicians-force/dark-magician-girl/listing?q=SAW4OWp0cYU1\n\nPeople also make those hyper sexual card versions with weird faces. I'm mostly jealous because we don't have Hero cards with massive cocke and balles out", "Sure! Sorry, just didn’t have the energy at 3:30 this morning. \n\nGoogle can still track you in the sense that a website can use Google Analytics to learn about how you use their site.\n\nBut this is a separate thing than Google SSO. It’s like taking all that same data but putting it on-chain and requiring your private key (just hitting a button in your wallet) to access. Google wouldn’t be involved unless the developers of a site you’re using bundle them in with an API or something.\n\nIn an ideal world, the websites you connect with don’t take the data you provide and store it somewhere to use later. It’s just dynamic web pages that pull information from your wallet to populate, treating your wallet as a little database it can gain read/write access to (depending on their needs). And they can only read from your wallet while you’re on the site and connected. They can always send stuff to your wallet, since there’s a public key associated with it.\n\nSo if you ever don’t want to be associated with `website.com` you revoke their access from their wallet the same way you can remove connected applications from Google/Facebook/Twitter. It makes it so they can’t read your wallet anymore unless you go back and explicitly allow them access again.", "Unless the NFT stores the actual entirety of the signed thing on the chain it requires trust too. Because anything less means you just have a reference to something that can be changed after the \"signing\". Not to mention it costs money to verify.\n\nIf I sign a contract PDF using encryption, it cannot be modified and still considered a valid signature. There's no way around that. Show me how NFTs can do that better for free.", "Thank you for responding I do appreciate you sharing your expertise and inside knowledge. Since you disclosed your background on the matter I might as well share that I’m a GME bull so I’ve fully bought into the “Ken Griffin is my opponent” narrative.", "I would add too that theres a lot of sub issues embedded in those 4 points. The first point has issues around wether there was an offer, acceptance, and consideration, whether the C complied with statutory requirements (some Cs have to be in writing by law or have certain terms to be enforceable). Each of those has sub issues. The second point about terms usually revolves around ambiguity in the written language in a contract and people saying one thing and writing another. Whether what someone orally promised should be included in the interpretation of the C for that case. Whether certain terms should be thrown out or what the ambiguous terms actually mean. There’s plenty of variation between states too on these issues. There’s also industry standards that are needed to interpret terms. It can get really messy. The third one involves a lot of sub issues about performance/partial performance or delivery of goods/non conforming goods/partially conforming goods. And the fourth one typically involves an analysis of the enforceability of remedies included in the C and potential remedies outside of the C. And again with issues around partial performance or partially or non conforming goods, also with variances among industries, the types of parties that entered into the C, and the state law where the C was entered into or performed. That’s just scratching the surface too. I know some of this stuff can be coded and I am somewhat familiar with smart contracts. But ultimately a lot of it comes down to what people think is right or fair. There’s a lot of human judgment that goes on there. That’s why there so much variance between industries and states. I can see smart Ks adding value to certain transactions but never truly replacing the need for neutral third parties. At least not until morals or justice can be coded.", "No, the image isn't a server-side script. I would just tell it to serve /someotherfolder/pic.jpg at /images/pic.jpg if the conditions are met. Otherwise, I'd return the error message you got.\n\nI haven't used Postman, but I believe it's analogous to other programs I have used, and yes in theory you could simulate those other requests through there. But you still might fail if, for example, a cookie is used that expires frequently.", "You can proof that you own a link to the nft.", "I did get scammed by that sale, I was lied to by the salesperson. I have not been lied to in my purchases of NFTs.\n\n-\tWhat do I get? I have a token in my wallet that points to some metadata.\n-\tWhat rights do get? I maintain right of transfer and resale of the token.\n-\tHow do I make money off it? I don’t, I literally don’t expect to.\n\nThe difference between the beanie babies scam and NFTs is that you lied to me about the exclusivity, with NFTs the exclusivity is known up front. You picked a run of the mill beanie baby to sell me as if it was exclusive and none of the NFTs I own have done that to me.\n\nThe rarity of them is known up front and not misrepresented. I have never been lied to about the rarity of an NFT and if I had the records would be public anyway, I can see how many of each type exists myself.\n\nSo I repeat, where is the scam? Just because you don’t think that my purchase has value is fine; thankfully you don’t decide how I get to spend my money.", "Yes, basically worthless. But you can proof it.", "Which are also usually hosted on Google drive, which is the closed source service that tracks all your data, the complete opposite of crypto and everything it stands for", "Not the exact same one. But I guess you could change a single pixel one shade of color (light blue to lightlight blue) and have a completely different hash and therefore a second NFT.", "There’s only one file system, and that’s ZFS.", "O for sure, it's just digital anonymous art money laundering.", "The amount hasn't been determined yet as it hasn't happened, and that just makes 51% attacks slightly more expensive.", "You called it handwaving. It wasn't. He acknowledged an issue and gave his perspective on it, that it isn't as severe as the delusional anti-crypto people pretend it is. That's not handwaving and you're pretending it is out of desperation.\n\nYou've also inferred that on-chain assets don't exist... because it said so in a youtube video that you saw.\n\n[https://www.one37pm.com/nft/tech/on-chain-and-off-chain-nfts](https://www.one37pm.com/nft/tech/on-chain-and-off-chain-nfts)\n\n[https://blog.0xmons.xyz/79081566310](https://blog.0xmons.xyz/79081566310)\n\n[https://anonymicenft.medium.com/anonymice-100-on-chain-randomly-generated-free-nfts-ce7ea8d8d5b3](https://anonymicenft.medium.com/anonymice-100-on-chain-randomly-generated-free-nfts-ce7ea8d8d5b3)\n\n[https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/flavours-of-on-chain-svg-nfts-on-ethereum](https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/flavours-of-on-chain-svg-nfts-on-ethereum)\n\n[https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/itit-2018-0019/html#:\\~:text=On%2Dchain%20Storage%20%E2%80%93%20the%20ability,forms%20off%20of%20the%20blockchain](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/itit-2018-0019/html#:~:text=On%2Dchain%20Storage%20%E2%80%93%20the%20ability,forms%20off%20of%20the%20blockchain).\n\nAdmit you're wrong. If you have ANY integrity or interest in the truth then you will admit that you're wrong.\n\nThe fact that you're appealing to the authority of a youtube video to disagree with someone who ACTUALLY DOES THIS SHIT and is providing easily verified proof says it all.", ">it does not rely on any central authority\n\n>I know. I've never said the whole art is stored on the Blockchain.\n\nThese things don't add up. Blockchain stores an owner, and a small piece of data. The data points to art hosted by a controlling central authority. A central authority that can do whatever they want with whatever that link is pointing to. That's the problem with all of this and why your other points are wrong too. \n\n>Again, it just says, \"person A bought art B\" and that information it unforgeable\n\nIt does not. To be exact, it says \"Person A owns this piece of data\". That data can theoretically be anything but in the case of art, its a link. That link means practically nothing. Art B, as you say, can be at the end of multiple links. The data at the end of that link can be changed to Art C. The data at the end of that link can be deleted, changed, whatever. Its not controlled by the NFT owner in any capacity. \"Ownership\" in this case, is of the link, not the art. This is the facts.", "From everything I've read, you do. I'd be interested to see if that's actually not the case. That would be some serious misrepresentation of what they're doing and what they explicitly say.\n\n> Owning a Bored Ape NFT gives you full commercial rights to it, and holders are taking advantage of that in some creative ways.\n\nhttps://www.cnet.com/how-to/explaining-the-bored-ape-yacht-club-nft-collection/", "Ok, that makes sense(at least a little this shit is still pretty confusing), like you said though it just seems really dumb to me. What's the point of owning something that everyone can have an exact copy of? Not even a recreation, it's an exact copy. Sure you get to say that you own it but who gives a shit if everyone can have it/use it rent free.\n\nThe ones that really get me are the virtual landownership ones. I don't remember the names of them but say it's called earth 2 and I buy the city of San Francisco on earth 2. What's to stop someone from making earth 3 and selling San Francisco again? NFTs just seem so dumb to me.", "That is not true, as the transaction history throughout the chain would distinguish every implementation from each other. You would have even more details than physical paintings, as you could tell which was issued first and likely the selling price as well. With physical paintings sometimes there is no information at all, so a best guess would need to be made. While the image itself might appear to be a replication, the transaction history and NFT itself would show that it is not. With physical paintings they might even all be painted around the same time, and you wouldn't know which should be considered the original.", "Most have it written in the terms and conditions. Look at the bored ape site for example", ">These things don't add up. Blockchain stores an owner, and a small piece of data. The data points to art hosted by a controlling central authority. A central authority that can do whatever they want with whatever that link is pointing to. That's the problem with all of this and why your other points are wrong too. \n\nI know and I agree it is a problem, but you keep twisting my words. The thing the Blockchain does (storing the NFT, which IS NOT THE WHOLE ART but I never said it was) does not rely on central authority. And as I said, the data of the image itself is not the important thing here, as it can be anyway copied freely. \n\n>That data can theoretically be anything but in the case of art, its a link. That link means practically nothing. Art B, as you say, can be at the end of multiple links. The data at the end of that link can be changed to Art C.\n\nAnd this I agree with. The fact it's just a link is stupid. As I said, there should be some hash of the art at least, or some other identification.", "Consider me one of today's lucky 10,000. \n\nThanks", "> I did get scammed by that sale, I was lied to by the salesperson\n\nNo you didn't. I told you that I was selling you a beanie baby for 20,000$. I just didn't tell you it only cost me $1 to acquire. \n\nI didn't scam you by selling you a jpg for $20,000 when it cost me nothing to mint. I just didn't tell you it cost me nothing to make that bored ape picture. I just made an AI that generated it for me within seconds. \n\n> How do I make money off it? I don’t, I literally don’t expect to.\n\nCool so then the beanie baby sale wasn't a scam. You don't expect to make money off of the beanie baby. Why are you mad I sold it at far above the price I bought it for?", "Nah I understand exactly what it is. It isn't some magic technology, and frankly, it can be manipulated. There are flaws and tradeoffs when it comes to using crypto. I really think blockchains are a solution looking for a real problem. That has been my experience in the software industry, where blockchain technology has solved exactly 0 problems that don't already have a better solution. They're great for privacy when you want to use them for questionable goods/services, and that will always give them an inherent value. But even as it stands, the extremely vast majority of crypto trading happens on centralized exchanges. So even in practice these unstable \"currencies\" aren't fulfilling their purpose.", "and that \"receipt\" is all you need. What people don't understand is that these receipts are what's being sold for ridiculous amount of money. The images will be copied over and over which is fine. But just know that when anyone is looking at that copied image, there is only one owner for all those copied images you see on the internet. That would be the person who holds the \"receipt\" for it. You can try and sell those copied ones but you will never be able to get the original receipt for that image. Oh you say you can just copy or make another receipt for that image? sure you can, just like everyone can, and when everyone is now trying to find the original receipt, again, there is only one receipt that exists that can be easily traced on the blockchain. it's always the first one that the artist himself issued/minted.", "I'm guessing they're more like Beanie Babies than stamps. Stamps can be useful.", "Terms and conditions binding value can depend wildly depending on where people lives.\n\nThey are a \"contract\" between the website and the one who started the creation of the NFT. So whoever buy the NFT has no relation to it.\n\nYou don't have to own any right of something to make it into an NFT.", "Everyone likes to blame Jason but Camp Crystal Lake is nowhere near LA. In fact, it's across the country in New Jersey. There's no way Jason could have done it.\n\nFreddy Krueger on the other hand... Nobody can account for his location and if someone says they can they're dreaming.", "It's everything the programmers wants it to be. so yes, you can do that, if reddit wants it to be. you can show publicly all it's history, or make it private, as the programers decide. But the important part, is that once the program is live (red flag if not open source), you can't change the program that will handle the NFTs, not even the programers (if it's working on a decentralised blockchain), which makes an NFT impossible to hack or edit, thus proving your owniship , the authenticity, your \"innocence\" or \"guilt\" depending on the context.", "Then I misread your intention in your above post, the ‘sold you an “exclusive” beanie baby’ led me to think that you had lied to me about the exclusivity of the beanie baby.\n\nIf you sold me the beanie baby for $20000 when I could have bought it for $1 but didn’t lie to me then you did not misrepresent the sale and you didn’t scam me.\n\nFor the NFTs I already knew it cost you nothing to mint, and in fact for most of them I’d be the one paying to mint it. If you were selling me a bored ape NFT right now, a real one minted through the accepted bored ape contract then I’d buy it off you right now. If you can go and find a bored ape for $1 I will let you come back and sell it to me for $20k, that’s a promise. In beanie baby land you would never find that same beanie baby for $1 that you could sell for a markup, it would have never entered the market.\n\nIf you minted another NFT and called it the bored monkey NFT and tried to sell me that for $20000 then you aren’t scamming me, I just wouldn’t buy it.\n\nWhy was I mad? Because I misread that you had mis-sold me on the exclusivity of it. And there’s nothing to mad about. If you sold me a regular $1 beanie baby for $20k then you can keep the $19999 profit, you’ve earned it.\n\nYou just don’t respect the exclusivity and I do, that’s the only difference. You could launch your own bored ape NFT today, even with the same images and metadata. Would I buy it? No definitely not - they’re not the same to me even if they are to you. I can tell which one is the real one.\n\nIf you try and represent your fake one as the real one and sell me a real bored ape but deliver your clone, well then that’s a scam.", "[https://www.ledgerinsights.com/nike-buys-nft-fashion-collectible-startup-rtfkt-studios/](https://www.ledgerinsights.com/nike-buys-nft-fashion-collectible-startup-rtfkt-studios/) Nike cared enough to not only implement it - but acquired one of the largest companies in the space. Some creators may not be able to back their tokens for the long term, but there will be a handful that have the resources to do so and go beyond.", "Well if you're a gme bull he likely is your opponent :p and he's a bit of a dick so I don't disagree. He's smart and a tremendously savvy investor though that's all my point was.\n\nAnyways I've just been getting demolished this thread so I'm really phasing out participating. Apparently people really hate NFTs...\n\nAnyways gl on gme and all the rest of it :p", "Yup, got over a dozen pieces of mine stolen (that I've found). The kicker is that there are multiple postings of the same piece, and some of them have a huge watermark. It doesn't matter, they steal them all.", "I just reread what you wrote. And wanted to add some clarification. The nft, is a token that's entered in the Blockchain. You can proof that you own that token. The token itself might contain a link to an artwork. The artwork itself is not an nft.", "Yeah, there are a few ways to get whitelisted though - some projects will have you shill their shit to eternity via tweets and follows etc., some will give you whitelist access if you're early to a discord channel, and some will give you access if you are holding some other NFT (like the Brady example). This process was put into place to try to reward early adopters and add value. I personally hate the first couple of whitelist approaches, the thought of grinding and shilling for some unreleased project is not my cup of tea, personally.", "Why have I been doing this by the source tab? God bless you.", "We're getting off topic here. My point is that digital works attached to NFTs are not analogous to physical works, at least not at this point in time. Whether there is value in the information carried by an NFT is a whole other ball game.", "Feeling is mutual, good luck", "> If you sold me the beanie baby for $20000 when I could have bought it for $1 but didn’t lie to me then you did not misrepresent the sale and you didn’t scam me.\n\nAlso, I said \"exclusive\" which I was referring to the slightly bent tag. Since it's bent at a 90 degree angle that makes this beanie baby worth 20,000 times what the same one is worth that doesn't have the bent tag. \n\nExclusive!\n\nThis bored ape is worth 20,000 more than this other bored ape picture which looks identical except this one has an earring. That makes this one more exclusive because there is only one neon green ape smoking a joint wearing an earring. This other neon green ape smoking a joint doesn't have an earring so therefore is only worth 50 cents. \n\nDo you not see the parallel?\n\n> If you were selling me a bored ape NFT right now, a real one minted through the accepted bored ape contract then I’d buy it off you right now.\n\nHaha holy shit I need to get into selling these NFTs to dudebros like you. So you'd literally give me money for an NFT of any dumbass ape? Like I could generate a million of these images in a second and you'd seriously pay me, let's say $5 for one of my million random pictutes?", "The Cloud was sold as a medicinal compound that will cure everything that ails your company. The Blockchain is being sold as a medicinal compound that will cure everything that ails you individually. \n\nThe Cloud is light, fluffy, peace-of-mind.\n\nThe Blockchain is robust, stable, unbreakably secure.\n\nBoth are marketing buzzwords that mystify tech in a great effort to sell bandwagons to people. \n\nWeb 3.0 just seems like mostly a money-laundering scam mixed in with anonymous ownership of networks by the ultra-wealthy. Effectively he who controls the most nodes or has the largest stake controls the network. That's completely different to Web 2.0 where the largest companies publicly controlled the network.", "That's amazing, I always do inspect item and look up the image in the html, but sometimes it's buried in a lot of html. \n\nThis might make it easier for those cases.", "You mad bro", "He mentions using the UNIX `fallocate` command. This allocates disk space to a file without actually writing anything to the physical disk so it allows you to very quickly create huge files. He also mentions that the actual data compresses down to about 12GB, so I assume that the 12GB of compressed data is the actual blockchain data and the other multiple TB are just empty space created with `fallocate`.", "Lmao you post in a Steven Crowder sub, who's the smooth brain now? You opinion means less than an NFT bbs post to me", "I think I have given a solid case that they are indeed very analogous", "I think you’re equally childlike for insulting him in every single comment but what do I know", "I think insulting a liar isn't on the same level as lying. I'll insult anyone who deliberately ignores facts. It's extremely contemptible. They are indeed deplorable fucking children for spreading misinformation and refusing factual correction. The truth is the only absolute value. These people pretend to care about the truth and then flee from it as soon as it's against what they've said previously. They're consciously spreading misinformation and lies.", "We can agree to disagree lol. People paying hundreds of thousands for an NFT are morons no matter what their mindset is. It is, at the absolute best, an incredibly risky gamble that some greater fool will buy it from you for more than you paid before the whole thing collapses.", "Your first post was 8 days ago. All of your posts are idiotic political/socioeconomic tantrums. Go troll somewhere else. No one on here owes you anything.", "It does seem like they are here from your posts. \n\nI may be an idiot but only a child would give Crowder a second of air time. The right is getting better at comedy and making lefties nervous, I'm sure! Dunce", "Who cares about the receipt? How does a receipt holder turn their receipt into a return on investment?\n\nWhen beanie babies were hot, people were buying them for $5 and reselling them for $10,000. Once the bubble popped, these $10,000 beanie babies were worth...$2 maybe $3 on a good day. \n\nYou're telling me an NFT holder is the holder of an exclusive receipt that says they own the NFT. Except, I can duplicate what they \"purchased\" by hitting Print Screen and now I have an identical copy of what they paid money for. \n\nImagine if I could look at a physical item like a Lamborghini, hit a single button and instantly duplicate that item for free? Like, I'd walk into a Lamborghini dealership and press a button and then drive away with hundreds of free cars. \n\nHow much do you think a Lamborghini would be worth in that world?", "Yes, I don't believe trustless transactions the way it has been described to me are possible, but that didn't stop a number of crypto proponents insisting to me otherwise. I understand the technology fine, which is why I don't believe what they're claiming is possible.", "Bud if you’re into NFT’s you have absolutely nothing interesting to do with your time lol", "When did I ever say that was the point? All I said is an NFT does not function very well as a certificate of authenticity. Primarily because the NFT is not capable of storing a work of art on its own, it has to rely on outside databases to do that and those databases are unreliable and/or can be changed at any time.", "no one cares about your hypothetical and useless block chain use case. those are a dime a dozen", ">\tSo you'd literally give me money for an NFT of any dumbass ape?\n\nI don’t know whether you intentionally misread this one. I would not buy your image of a bored ape minted through your own contract, but I absolutely would buy a real bored ape that you wanted to sell me. Find a real one and I’ll buy it for $20k.\n\nYour one will come from a different smart contract address, so it has no value since the broader community does not respect it as being authentic.\n\n>\tDo you not see the parallel?\n\nOf course I do. We disagree, but I’m not retarded. It’s just that the analogy doesn’t hold up.\n\n-\tYou wouldn’t have been able to buy one for vastly below market price; bots and active traders would have snapped it up. All sales are public, you can’t just find one.\n-\tYou wouldn’t have been able to modify it to change its traits, they are fixed. You can’t modify the beanie baby.\n\nAre some of the valuations on rarity stupid? Of course they are. But I think the same for art, real estate, trading cards, watches and whatever else. The production value of an item has long long been detached from the market price. And that’s fine, it is what it is, people want to spend their money.\n\nWhat you or I can’t do is mint a new authentic ape, you just can’t. You can mint a clone or a pretend version, but not a real one and people are paying mine for real ones and basically nothing for the fakes. You might scam some people into believing it but you’d be lucky.\n\nFor now though people will pay hundreds of thousands for their ape with a particular hat, and people will pay hundreds of thousands for a pair of sneakers. The thing in common is that neither are worth the fabric they’re made on - but if I want it and I’m not being misled into a sale I have the right to buy it. There is no scam, and I choose to buy them because I like to.", "Saying IPFS is “essentially the dark web” is incredibly misleading and I would call that FUD. There is good discussion in this video, but it doesn’t exactly show they NFTs are in general a scam.", "This isn't a conspiracy theory or something... It's the reality of what URL based NFTs are. It's why the guy who made the NFT Bay specifically did not download any of the actual resources the NFTs point to. It can be literally anything.\n\nThe reason I use child porn as an example is because it's a pretty universal \"Oh shit I definitely don't want to get involved in that!\" thing. It helps people realize the severity of the risk inherent in the system. Saying I should come up with something original for this is like saying someone should create a new stop sign design. Why?\n\nIf instead I said, \"You could buy yugioh cards today, and tomorrow they're a recipe for biscuits,\" it doesn't have quite the same punch. NFTs are a lawless space right now, that could have real world consequences for people who don't know what they're getting into.", "Yes pfp and art NFT speculation is dumb to some extent. But I wouldn't dismiss the whole idea of non-fungible tokens because some rich assholes are gambling crazy amounts of money on one iteration of the idea. The internet is full of dumb shit and scams, but everyone still loves the internet.", "Firefox used to have this useful menu with rightclick and then clicking on \"Media on this page\" or something and it would just list all the images on that page.", "Laird, not Lord, English scum! :p", "As scammy as that game has become, at least it's a playable game. NFTs can't even rise to the level of being a useful product.", "Blah blah blah I'm a critical thinker, ok sure thing bro\n\nYou can stop replying to me at any time", "I guess the difference here is that art projects are not the only form of NFTs. There are plenty of projects that aren't just JPEGs, and that's where I see the golf analogy having accuracy. Also, I 100% agree that the entire landscape of NFTs is rife with rampant speculation - which is why I generally sit on the sidelines. I would not consider NFTs investing, I'd consider it gambling, just like you said.\n\nBut, I think it's important to remember that some\nprojects have actual utility - i.e. can do something, like a game. I think ZED is a good example of this - a horse racing game. There is an aspect of speculation for some of it, as all NFTs can inherently be bought and sold, but ZED also lets you race your horse (for free if you want), breed your horse, buy and sell etc. So in this case, going back to your initial post, if you had a copy of a ZED horse (i.e. a copy of someone's golf membership card), you wouldn't be able to enter that horse into a race, enter it into tournaments, breed that horse etc. In other words, these projects, \"utility-based\" projects, have more than just the art. You can actually do something with NFT in these cases outside of simply speculating and trying to sell it on a pump to some poor shlub who is the next bag-holder. NFTs come in all different shapes and sizes...most of them suck! But some are actually pretty fun/interesting and more than just a crappy pixelated JPEG.", "Yes people like the internet because it has lots of useful functions. There are scams too, which sucks, but if you can spot them you can avoid them. NFTs so far have no useful functions and are a straight up scam, which means they should be dismissed and avoided. If at some point someone comes up with a legitimate use case for them we can reconsider. I will not be holding my breath for that day to come.", "I don't have to prove ownership to sell an item on ebay. I don't have to prove ownership to sell an item on craigslist. There's nothing stopping me from creating some vapourware product and asking for funds on Kickstarter. There's nothing stopping me from claiming I need money for cancer treatment on GoFundMe when I am perfectly healthy.\n\nIn the case of an artist selling their work as an NFT, the token shows who minted it. If the work is not minted by me, the artist, you can assume it is not authentic. It is all easily verifiable. If someone does not verify that, it's a failure of the person, not the technology.", "Open image in new tab. Then copy or save it.", "TBH I don't really agree - a limited run of a physical product remains a different beast than a limited run of what I'd describe as \"virtual tokens of dubious utility\" that are just associated with an infinitely reproducible digital file everyone has access to.\n\nUnlike a physical certificate that persists as part of the provenance of a physical object, the token may or may not persist and the item it's associated with may or may not evaporate overnight. You could have a hosting failure and be left with a very official token leading to nothing, even if an identical \"unique\" item was then later re-listed elsewhere - because your token only pointed at one location as being valid. Frustratingly, this is something the holder has no control over. \n\nOn that note, the notion of owning an NFT art piece seems less of a real ownership, with rights, ability to control access et al. that we associate with owning things in real life and more comparable to the one example I can think of is the [rai stones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones)", "Wow that's incredibly stupid", "Did you read the second and third paragraph?", "> NFTs streamline the process of saying \"THIS is the real one\".\n\nI contend that it promises to do this, but at the end of the day (including the reasons I list above) it's just a linked list saying \"everyone should agree [user] is pressing the button for real copies\"\n\nWhich also requires we buy into the premise that a form of ownership that is functionally identical to not owning something is not only valid but a good thing.", "Geoffrey Huntley is a fucking genius. Wow that dude is smart", "All hail the daily 10,000", "> I would not buy your image of a bored ape minted through your own contract, but I absolutely would buy a real bored ape that you wanted to sell me.\n\nWhy not? Isn't it exclusive? Isn't my NFT receipt just as valid as yours? They both do identical things. The only difference is mine isn't internet famous. \n\nAre you telling me you only buy famous things?\n\n> The thing in common is that neither are worth the fabric they’re made on - but if I want it and I’m not being misled into a sale I have the right to buy it. There is no scam, and I choose to buy them because I like to.\n\nNo, you choose to buy them because everyone else told you to. That's why you refuse to buy my Knockoff Ape NFT. It's not famous. \n\nJust admit that buying an NFT is like buying membership in an invisible club. This club tells those outside the club that you spend inordinate amounts of money on jpgs. That I then take from you for free. Which isn't illegal btw.\n\nSo it's not like sneakers. If I steal your expensive sneakers you have had your property taken from you and need it recovered. If I screenshot an NFT you still \"\"\"own\"\"\" the NFT so you don't lose anything by me having a copy.", "Makes it way easier, especially when they're covering the image with invisible elements.", "The stuff used by millionaires and billionaires so they can fiddle around with taxes and not have to pay anything at all?\n\nYeah, kinda unethical and immoral if you ask me.", ">What percent of the population?", "They sell them to friends/shellcompanies to make an illusion of value to get idiots to actually buy JPEGS for thousands", "Bruh.\nI trade crypto, I know what the chain is.\nAn NFT is just a fuckin link stored on the blockchain that you specifically can access.\nNot the image. It's too big to fit there.\nIt's a link", "Then don't bet on them. Christ. I'm putting a tiny bit into them, because it's rational to get in early on new trends because some of them pay off big time. Why all this anti nft passion? Did they hurt you?", "> A git code repository is in essence a blockchain\n\nConceding the point for now that you could argue as Git repositories and blockchains both use Merkle trees as a data structure, etc. and therefore is a blockchain, that would fall under where I said \"Just about\"", "Exactly.\n\nDown to the fact that anyone can create a competing company to sell the same star to someone else. Because those \"naming\" rights are not exclusive.", "Sadly the state of affairs, yes. It was actually thought up during a one-night code-a-thon as a tool for giving patronage to artists, but it rather quickly devolved into a speculative/money laundering mess.", "That’s a silly response. It can happen to anyone and it being decentralized would protect everyone from that possibility.\n\nI get the bashing of NFT, but that doesn’t mean all applications are useless.", "\"I prefer this nft based game over this regular one because one day the game will die and some day someone might make a new game that accepts my items.\" It seems like a stretch of justification.\n\n\nIn order to support true gaming NFTs, current block chain tech doesn't cut it. All of these Ethereum tokens are terrible and it costs hundreds of dollars to mint anything on it. New chains are being developed to support fully upgradeabld and craftable items on the blockhain.\n\nThis is great in that it will allow affordable NFT gaming, but it adds another piece of centralized authority. All of the incentive for running the nodes that run the new blockhain is centralized around the gaming company that created it. If that gaming company fails you now need someone to make a new game that recognizes your items and you have to somehow revitalize their entire chain that no longer works.", "Doxx coin?", "> You're right. But the same can be said for almost all digital items.\n\nWell there you go then. NFTs are exactly as useless for this as any other digital item.\n\n> NFTs in games will allow people to transfer assets.\n\nWhat? How? There will be no \"transfer\". Or, the other way around: NFTs in games will be able to be transferred to any game that wants them. Concurrently.\n\nAfter all, the games use a copy of what is in the NFT. The bits are copied, one by one, to be portrayed in the game.\n\nAnd you don't need an NFT for that.", "i like nft’s too i just saw Ken Griffin and was triggered lolol", "You might call it famous, I call it authentic. Would you buy a fake Rolex and sell it? Or pirate your favourite artists music and upload it? That’s the argument on this one. I don’t own a bored ape for the record but I do own some that I like from artists that I also follow. I own some for hype reasons and profit, but not most.\n\nSo no I don’t buy only famous things, I buy real things. Real things that I like.\n\n\n>\tNo, you choose to buy them because everyone else told you to. That's why you refuse to buy my Knockoff Ape NFT. It's not famous.\n\nThis one says more about the way you think than it says about me, that the knockoff is the same as the real one.\n\nIf I was to buy an ape it would be because it’s famous, sure. But to buy a 1 of 1 piece from a nice artist that I like to support them and comparing that as equivalent to not buying a cheap copy of something? Fuck you.\n\nI don’t even care if that knocks me down a peg, I support artists I like. You try and stop me from doing it the way I choose.", "Nothing, and that is reason #234 of #99999 why all this is just a terrible idea all around.", ">tl;dw - When you purhcase an NFT, it allows you to decode a location in the blockchain that contains a hyperlink to a photo. You don't own the photo, nor do you own the hyperlink. You own the key that allows you to decode the hyperlink.\n\nInteresting\n\nI'd love someone that's pro nft and familiar with the underlying tech to explain why or if the op video is wrong or defend themselves about the tech", ">The information in the NFT is not really meant to be a secret, but to broadcast the fact that you own it - it's a public display of certification of authenticity. \n>\n>But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic. \n>\n>NFT is really useless, unless copyright laws are augmented to allow the law to enforce copyright of the object the NFT is linking to, and i don't see that happening any time soon.\n\nHow do we currently enforce copyright of stuff we agree upon that has value", "> Venues for sure making sure the ticket they accept isn't a fake. Since it is extremely tough to hack the blockchain and change data there, a venue can have an extremely high degree of confidence in a ticket on the blockchain. \n\nA few counterpoints:\n\n1) Is this solving some existing issue? Are ticket sellers getting hacked all the time?\n\n2) If you're hacking the ticket sellers and they switch to NFTs, what's to stop you from just hacking the system they use to authenticate the NFTs? Because dollars to donuts they have to have some tools used locally to collate that data.\n\n> Then there are the ticket holders. You don't have to hold a paper ticket you could lose, and if you decide to sell it, you can sell the ticket without having to mail it, etc and the recipient can receive it digitally \n\nSetting aside the notion of making ticket scalping more convenient for scalpers, this presupposes we don't already have digital tickets. These advantages are already found in existing systems.\n\n> Then there are the artists who could add royalties to the ticket sales and any that sell on secondary, they can receive a small royalty on that secondary sale\n\nSeems to me that not allowing scalping at all so all ticket sales are full price originals would be a greater profit motive than collecting a small piece of a resale market.\n\nWhich is to say, some of these things aren't advantages over existing systems, and some of these things I don't see much motive for the ticket seller to adopt.", "Wait why do you need NFTs for that?", "I suppose you don’t, but there are a lot of teams building tooling for it right now. In my opinion it’s at least worth checking out.", "OpenSea right now is giving so many artists the runaround they disabled their takedown form and require every artist to submit a full DMCA takedown for each violating work. \n\nI find it a bit sad, in fact, as DeviantArt actually built a tool for artists to automatically inform them that their art has been stolen in NFT minting, but the platforms not only have no similar tools to prevent this, but no motive either.\n\nOpenSea gets to pocket the fees on minting as well as any transactions that occur while dragging their feet about taking the image down.\n\nSo I would dispute that these confirmation tools are seeing use, or if they are they aren't effective, and the situation with OpenSea shows they aren't protecting owners rights in a timely manner.", "Hahahahahaha, fuck no.\n\nPeople are currently stealing artist's art left and right and create NFTs from that and sell it without the artists permissions.\n\nNFTs are bad for artists. Like, really fucking bad.", "If you watch the video, he’s talking about malicious people embedding other people’s personal data on the blockchain. Like I could collect someone’s name, tweets, fb/insta photos, online court records, try to figure out their home address, workplace phone numbers and emails, put it all on the blockchain and maybe they don’t care but maybe 1% of people might pay the bad people to remove it.", "Thanks, although I'm curious about your last point. I know that you're generally prohibited from altering a photographer's photo even though it is only a copy of the original. \n\nWhy wouldn't this apply to a painting as well?", "> So no I don’t buy only famous things, I buy real things. Real things that I like.\n\nOK so let's make my NFT the Happy Armadillo NFT. No one else knows about it at all, so that means it's even more real! It's not a knockoff of Bored Apes because it's Happy Armadillos. Therefore since I only minted one golden armadillo smoking a joint then that's the most valuable one. \n\nWhy don't you want to buy my real, exclusive NFT?\n\n> But to buy a 1 of 1 piece from a nice artist\n\nBut...you do realize Bored Apes were generated by AI? And you don't even own the art because anyone can see it. If I commission an artist to draw me something I can also demand it not be uploaded anywhere and if the artist agrees, I can also own the original painting as well. So now I own a real piece of art that is exclusive. \n\nIf I buy a NFT anyone can screenshot it and duplicate it. \n\nSo let's make a little analogy:\n\nLet's say I can duplicate real things down to the atomic level by pressing a button. Pressing this button is 100% free and uses almost zero resources. \n\nI walk into a Lamborghini dealership and press this button and instantly a duplicate, functioning Lamborghini is now next to me that I drive away in. \n\nHow much do you think a Lamborghini would be worth if I could do that?", "Sure, it's neat technology that's fun to look at.\n\nBut the hype is just hilariously embarrassing, and, well, the search for an actual use case for this technology continues, it seems.", "Fungeosaurs", "Usually Reddit gets pissed off when I say modern art is stupid and overhyped. Turns out you people just like downvoting and arguing no matter what.", "I mean that, in the vast majority of use cases blockchain technology isn't the best fit for the function that is asked of it. This isn't a new problem in tech; something becomes \"trendy\" and a glut of products that misuse/abuse it come rolling out to collect investment dollars.\n\nSee also: initial glut of \"cloud\" products that may as well have run off a locally-administered database. \"Internet of Things\" products that had zero need to actually be internet connected, etc.", "> Which also requires we buy into the premise that a form of ownership that is functionally identical to not owning something is not only valid but a good thing.\n\nIt does not require that at all. Owning and not owning are not functionally the same and blockchain helps out sort out which is which. Jack Dorsey's first tweet as an NFT is worth a lot of money because he minted it. I can take that exact same screenshot and mint it too - someone undoubtedly has - but that's worth zero. He can sell his for a lot of money, I can't. Functionally very different. We will always, immediately, be able to tell those two apart.", "The deed being the piece of paper, not the land. A deed is just a certificate, and a certificate can be for anything. You could create an NFT for land too, you just need organizations to actually respect it.", "Ehhh, I think it's a neat concept, but at the same time I don't think it really is either necessary or even called for. \n\nFor instance, in-game assets are by their very nature centralized. Production, authorization, distribution, all in one spot. You're never getting the content outside the ecosystem the build, no game dev is putting the work in to have Zelda's sword in Modern Warfare, for example (and that's setting aside the copyright nightmare)\n\nSo if the goods are centralized and we've already seen examples of skins markets ala CSGO, where does NFTs necessitate or even facilitate this better than existing systems?", "Also I can sell the same NFTs (hiperlinks) in another Smart contract Blockchain. I mean, technically if I'm good at phrasing in and selling loopholes I'm selling just hyperlinks", "I think you'll see a lot of agreement on the ephemeral value of art and provenance in general, I think that if we're going to question that notion NFTs still manage to push that to an even more abstract concept of both value and ownership.\n\nSay, if people all agree that there's only one Mona Lisa in the universe, and I own it... I could just lock it away and no one by me and my dog can look at it. \n\nAbility to limit access is generally one of those foundational concepts of \"ownership\" that's lacking with NFTs. To use the Mona Lisa example, it would be as if I didn't lock up the painting, but instead it's on permanent public display and the only thing I can actually control is where I store the receipt.", "Right, you need an organization with power to enforce it, whether it's a traditional certificate or an NFT. An NFT is just an alternative to a centralized records office. Both NFTs and certificates have no value other than the respect it gets from organizations.\n\nThe main area where NFTs have an advantage is that it's decentralized, and for a use case where only one organization respects it, that has no advantage over a traditional centralized database. Where it would have an advantage is if you have a lot of smaller organizations come together to respect it which would allow them to pool their power together to go against larger organizations. That's where I think the technology could actually be good and interesting.\n\nFor example, Steam has a monopolistic lock in effect with users because they maintain a centralized database of ownership for game libraries, but if a bunch of smaller game distributors like GoG and Humble Bundle and Itch.io etc came together to respect an NFT standard for game ownership, they could pool their power together to pose a legitimate challenge to a monolithic entity like Steam. That would be much tougher to do with a centralized database as you'd need an independently trusted records keeping organization to maintain the leger of ownership and there would be greater risk of that records keeping office going under, and if one of those companies that follow the standard go under as long as there are other companies still respecting the standard, your library of ownership is still secure.", "Yeah. It's the public nature of public keys that make them especially vulnerable.\n\nOf course, there are other uses of PGP-style encryption, like the signing of software binaries in Windows, and it's going to be a mess to fix them all. But that barely an inconvenience compared to how fucked bitcoin is going to be.", "> Jack Dorsey's first tweet as an NFT is worth a lot of money because he minted it. \n\nI'm only going to agree with you as far as \"some people feel it is worth a lot of money\"\n\n\n> Functionally very different\n\nFunctionally identical in the sense that any access to the content is identical. You have no control over whether others access it, you aren't accessing a better version than the public has. The vast majority of the time you do not get any intellectual property rights or ability to enforce them. \n\nThe \"functional\" difference is that you have a receipt somewhere you can trade to others. It would be like buying a public park except it has to stay a public park and you have zero control over what happens on or to the park, but you can sell the deed any time you like.", "My point is that it may benefit some 0.1% of the population, while being worse for the remaining 99.9% of the population who do not desire all the baggage that comes with NFTs and blockchains. For instance, the rate of users who will either have their private keys lost or stolen (and therefore their NFTs would be 100% unrecoverable) is likely way higher than the rate of users who are hypothetically involved in a chargeback dispute with Sony.", "Sure, the wallets can help you track your own key pairs. But my point is that if I want to give my uncle Bob $100,000 worth of Bitcoin, at some point I need to be sure that uncle Bob really has the public key that I'm about to send the money to. How do I do that over the internet? Bob needs to tell me his public key through a channel in which I've already verified his identity -- say, WhatsApp, or Facebook messenger. Or maybe an email. Either way the trust/identity needs to be established outside of the system before Blockchain comes into it.\n\nOr if I'm about to spend $100,000 worth of crypto in exchange for an NFT, I'd like to be sure that the public key that minted the NFT really is the artist that I think she is.\n\nThese are problems external to Blockchain. They're also hard problems.", "You're here lecturing me about superior technology, when I was a proponent of PGP back in the bloody 90s. You're new to this, whippersnapper. It's not a new tech. Hash chains were first described in 1981. Block-chains were first described in 1982.\n\nThe novel new technology is quantum computing. That's the future. Quantum computing provides an opportunity to create a truly secure internet and truly unbreakable encryption.\n\nWhatever e-currency we ultimately end up with will be based fundamentally on quantum computing technologies. Bitcoin and ETH can't be back ported. It'll be an entirely new paradigm.", "Sounds like blockchain technology is perfect for keeping really good track of votes for elections.", "> if it hurts them in any way other than making them upset or denying them the opportunity to issue their own NFT?\n\nWell let's see:\n\nHaving someone fraudulently claim ownership of their work can hurt their public legitimacy as an artist\n\nThis could impact future work as an artist if they are then falsely viewed as stealing the work of others\n\nThis could prevent future sales of art on any medium should the artist choose to.\n\nThis violates the rights of the artist to decide what medium and platforms their art is displayed on. It could in fact be a great violation of their principles to be hosted on a system they do not approve of, for example.\n\nand of course there's the whole \"being a victim of fraud\" thing that comes to mind.\n\nWhich is to say that these people scraping are, again, committing a real-life crime.", "Love how one of those links is for a project that feels the need to say \"not a cash grab\" like that isn't fucking sketchy lol.", "If that's your \"culture,\" then I hope no artist has the bad luck to have any works end up in your possession.\n\nHow would you feel if I wanted to redistribute what's in your wallet right now? If I can take it, it's my right.", "That's one application people have been looking at.\n\nCurrently it's used for keeping track of votes for DAOs, which in the simplest sense are big pools of crypto funds that a bunch of people vote on when and where to spend.", "No because you leave the store with the physical items that you paid for. In the case of a house, you get a key and a bunch of legal documentation stating that you own (as in actually own) that land and can fuck up someone legally if they trespass or otherwise violate your rights. If NFTs came with, say, the original project data used to generate the image or cartoon or whatever, then you could argue they prove ownership.", ">Ethereum is switching to proof of stake in 2022.\n\nThey've been saying the same shit for the past I don't know remember how many years. Believe it when I see it.\n\nWhat's to stop the miners from just forking ETH and continuing on with business as normal?\n\n>When it switches to POS, graphics card demand should drop significantly.\n\nThere's too much investment. The miners won't give up on using consumer-oriented hardware, because it's cheap and readily available. Once the hardware has reached end of life, it's easier to off-load on suckers.\n\nIf ETH really does move to PoS, then the miners will pick out a new coin to become the new ETH, perhaps just a fork of ETH.", "Yes, the holder of a private key can prove that they own a public key. But that doesn't say anything about who they are. They're still just a point on an elliptic curve.\n\nThat's the problem I'm taking about. It's external to Blockchain and public key cryptography. We solve it in some cases by establishing a chain of trust, with root certificate authorities verifying that public keys belong to certain real life entities. But we don't have an analogous chain of trust for the average internet user. We depend on large platforms to establish identity for us. I think it's a hard problem.", "The painting is also non-fungible. It is a specific item that’s not interchangeable with equivalent amounts of other paintings.", "Lambo is a bad example, lets stat with something small we both can picture better. The Monalisa Painting for example, go ahead and hit that duplicate button u just used for your lambo example. Now all of a sudden, you have all these copies of the monalisa painting, obviously the duplicated version of the painting won’t be of any value. Someone will want to have the original Monalisa ofc and the blockchain makes that very possible and easily accessible. You can’t forge the entry on the blockchain but someone can forge a really good copy of the Monalisa painting that is almost indistinguishable from the original.", "Yes, which is why I compared the painting to an NFT", "Technically I’m a Laird lol", "Yes, that is the nature of capitalism. Doubly so for unregulated capitalism.\n\nThe bullshit people are calling \"web3\" will ultimately result in power being further concentrated with cartels and the oligarchy, just as bitcoin has done. When you remove power from government, you remove power from democracies.\n\nAutocracies and closed societies won't care. They'll just ban the shit and be done with it. The Great Firewall exists.\n\nIn any case, the main proponents of \"web3\" are coin hodlers hoping to inspire others to join in the ponzi scheme.", "Sometimes the source is also encoded in the blockchain, so it can’t change.", "Yeah that's what I have been gathering. So it is exactly like those star certificates, it is documented that you own the document that says you own the star, but you don't actually own anything other than that document.", "My passion isn't anti-NFT. It's anti-scamming people out of their money. \n\nIf you want to buy a digital token that points to a gif of a basketball dunk in the hopes that someone else will want to buy it from you from 10x the price in a decade then go for it. It's not really what I would call a legitimate investment though. \n\nBut a big part of the whole NFT market is trying to build hype around the thing in order to dupe more people into buying something with no inherent value with the hopes that somehow you won't be the one left holding the bag. \n\nPreying on an uninformed group of people with promises of fortune in order to convince them to feed into a speculative bubble is the modern day equivalent of selling them magic beans. \n\nIt's scummy and I don't feel bad about calling it what it is in public forums in the hopes that it spares someone down the line.", "The D stands for Digital... it's just an SLR (single-lens reflex) with Film.", "You obviously understand how NFTs work, but I think what you’re missing is the importance of ownership. The value of the content is not only in accessing it. There’s also value in being the one that can say “I own this”. That value may not be significant to you (it’s not to me either), but it is the entire underpinning of the concept of collectibles.\n\nI agree that digital art is a highly speculative and, in the long term probably unimportant, use case. The real value of NFTs will come from the use cases where provable ownership provides some value to the owner. For example, does it give you access to a community? Does it give you the ability to influence other people or organizations? Does it let you keep bigger piece of the pie when selling or renting the thing you own? \n\nThere are a lot of possibilities, some of which will be better than the current solution and some of which will be worse. We will have to find out.", "Exactly. The authenticity needs to be established in the real world beforehand. But that's actually a hard problem.", "Those are a very good analogy, yes. For example the Beeple nfts that were sold at christies specifically included in the documentation that the copyright to the actual artwork is not included. At best they are a technical demo for an interesting concept.", "The picture of an ape is also non-fungible.\n\nThey’re all different pictures and (for some reason) people want some of them more than others.", "It's also all built on \"Greater Fool Theory\". No one is buying this for ownership, they just want to find the bigger fool out there and not be caught holding the bag.\n\n\nEven had a WallStreetBets guy say that was a lot of his friends NFT plans.....", "The Cloud is not just a marketing buzzword. Although it was exhaustively used in marketing in ambiguous ways, it does actually mean something in terms of server architecture and feature implementation. \n\nThe node ownership thing is an interesting detail of the blockchain I hadn't thought of.", "https://discord.gg/fbeJ3qzU this project still hasn’t announced a drop date. Still early so take advantage and try to get white listed. Thank me later", "It’s solved the problem of allowing me to be in control of some of my funds outside the traditional banking system. I have staked my money with DeFi and put it into liquidity pools to earn passive income this year and earned far more than what the bank offers me with a measly .01% yearly interest in a savings account. \n\nOh and I was able to send someone large amounts of money without limits or my bank telling me when & how much money I can transfer. I didn’t need to wait for normal business hours or anything. It’s fantastic", "I mean, I think you're more or less in the ballpark, though I'm not so much \"missing out\", but unmoved. The notion of \"ownership\" in the case of say, the tweet NFT, is in controlling the token but not the item the token is associated with (this is where I get to be banging on about \"functionally identical between owning and not owning\", on the side of the actual delivered content), and I don't find that a particularly compelling case for \"owning\" something.\n\nI do think that NFT art, et al. is presenting a more novel and abstract case for ownership than we have previous precedent for, outside of perhaps weird cases like the [rai stones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones)", "[Rai stones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones) \n \n >A rai stone (Yapese: raay), or fei stone, is one of many large artifacts that were manufactured and treasured by the native inhabitants of the Yap islands in Micronesia. They are also known as Yapese stone money or similar names. The typical rai stone is carved out of crystalline limestone and is shaped as a disk with a hole in the center. The smallest may be 3.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "That's just great. I remember one of the 1st \"flexes\" of NFt's was the dude with the digital backpack showing his collection of board apes at a club. Now it is even funnier knowing he never owned any of it.", "Saw this video on release, great watch. Good to see it here on r/videos", "The original creator of the image has the copyright. Whoever minted the NFT usually does not. Even if they do, selling the NFT does not sell the copyright. All it conveys is ownership of a block on the blockchain that contains a link to an image on the web. And if the server hosting it goes down or the domain lapses, all you're left with is ownership of a link to nothing.", "The blockchain uses the exact same technology as a PGP signature except standardized so you have a chain of custody. In order to send NFTs (or any crypto currency) your signature is validated. Blockchains are stacked PGP signatures. The first person who made the NFT signs the transaction with their wallet private key the same as signing an email with a private key. It's public key / private key technology on railroad tracks.", "Of course the artist also can include the copyright to the artwork in any NFT sale. But NFT is just on top of that. I can already buy the copyright to art from an artist, no need for NFTs. So he might have owned the copyright to those ape things. I never looked into that.", "Well, it’s twofold. \n\nOne: you can launder money by buying your own art anonymously. \n\nTwo: you can inflate the price of your NFT and see if you can convince some schlub that it’s worth 20 grand, because it sold for 18 last week and 14 the week before. You get 20 grand, and they are left with no buyers…", "Commercial rights are not the same as copyright. If you owned the copyright you could DMCA Bored Ape for using your Bored Ape. Instead they are licensing some rights to you.", "> No because you leave the store with the physical items that you paid for.\n\nYeah, but the store can just grab them out of your arms as you're leaving the store and you can't do anything about it. Right-clickers love this one weird trick to get whatever you want.\n\n> In the case of a house, you get a key\n\nSo, whoever is in possession of that key has absolute ownership of the house?\n\n> and a bunch of legal documentation stating that you own (as in actually own)\n\nYes, just a bunch of paper that says stuff. If the previous owner wants to, they can just break down the door and force you out while you wave around those pieces of paper.", "sounds like a lot of people in this thread are jealous of their friends NFTs", "I didn't say scamming idiots was money laundering, I said money laundering was money laundering.", "Don't NFT's give rights to the buyer for whatever they're buying? So say there's an image that Apple wants to use for a commercial, the artist sells them the NFT, Apple then can use that image in their commercial. Correct? This is my current understanding, and if I'm correct, then the people who say that NFT's are pointless just take the media's opinion as fact and ignore that there's more behind artwork than just looking at it in the modern age.", "Right now we use authorities like OpenSea and other marketplaces to keep databases of verified addresses like blue checkmarks on twitter, but better more decentralized tools should be established in the future. For now it's difficult to establish the identify of every random artist or brand off the street, but for huge projects and famous artists these addresses are well known. It's a problem, but it's very solvable and I think better tools for linking brands to official addresses will start to become commonplace in the next few years. For now artists and brands should take care to try and use the same addresses and establish consistency.", "Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot lately. If a large company, a top 1000 Billionaire, or a medium-or-up sized country wanted to control a decentralized project then, in theory, they could purchase 51% of the governance coin and have effectively 100% of the control. And they could (more or less) do so anonymously, making accountability pretty much impossible if it's something that would be difficult to create competition for (like something that's invaluable to certain industries, or real-world legislation cracking down on decentralized networks). \n\nWhat got me on this track is reading that Web3.0 and decentralized tech would democratise the network, but it's based around wealth instead of giving each user an equal voice; it could end up as more of a techno-feudalism with an anonymous nobility.", "I'm glad you took a trip through my profile, shows you have nothing better to do and you needed fodder since you don't have anything intelligent to say . nice to see you mostly hang out in gambling subreddits. Don't worry, you'll reach the moon someday. see you when the bubble crashes. and no, blockchain can't process more that master card, you have your sources confused", "I know, which I why I think it is so weird that everyone seems to be against them as a whole. It's like google glass all over again. People pointing at one thing they don't like and decrying all possible use because of that. Yes, as a means to prove 'ownership' of art they are pretty stupid, but they would be awesome for some other things which will never get a chance if people keep hating them indiscriminately instead of demanding changes and forcing the product to evolve.", "You would need to have 51% of all the staked either. That would be extremely expensive.", "They can. They record themselves saying their public key out loud and sign it.\n\nAnd if you can't trust that they aren't a shapeshifter I guess you have bigger problems.", "I don't see how exposing the issue caused by the very basis of the technology is going to cause the technology to evolve. Literally the whole point of blockchain is that it's an immutable history. If you remove that attribute, it no longer serves this fundamental purpose.", "> Web3 is an attempt to divert power from the wealthy\n\nUhhhh... Who's gonna tell him that the power in Web3 is in the hands of the millionaires and billionaires that hold the vast majority of the stakes and networks? \n\nWho do you think bought Beeple's work for millions of dollars, the poor?", "Save", ">but maybe 1% of people might pay the bad people to remove it.\n\nI think you missed the part where it's there forever. That's what makes the concept so terrifying.", "I'm saying that the cryptographic nature of NFTs make it so that someone can't sell the exact same item more than once, not any legal system.\n\nBut legal systems already recognize digital signatures as valid, it's how docusign makes money. You could easily have the text of a contract or license agreement as part of the NFT that the original author signs.", "Yes, but the cost of encoding full on high quality content is insane. That's why only the really simple pixel art things are done that way right now.", "NFTs are dumb as fuck but you cannot \"pirate\" them- that's literally the entire point, and the only thing that separates them from literally being just image files.\n\nEdit:\n\nGood lord the author of the video thought they were literally just image files... Had to stop watching after about 6 minutes. I don't understand what productive discussion was supposed to happen when one of the two people involved literally doesn't even know what an NFT is..? It's not even that complicated to understand. It's irresponsible and silly to try to have an opinion on something you don't understand.", "Because that would mean people have to acknowledge that the whole scheme is a large pump and dump and that they're hoping they're not the ones left holding the sack of shit coins/art.", "> Lambo is a bad example\n\nWhy is it a bad example?", "I do mean it! But I tend to disagree. Digital art has existed without NFTs for decades. But I have yet to see a single piece of NFT-associated art that outweighs the vast environmental harm. NFTs are just imaginary nametags capitalists can wave around to show they’ve burned a sufficient portion of a rainforest and now own a jpeg of a poorly drawn lion.", "you wouldnt download a painting", "The point about the blockchain is proof of ownership. The current systems are \"good enough\", but you could send out your barcode to a ton of people and the first one to get it scanned would get in and no one else. \n\nIf there's proof of ownership on the blockchain, someone trying to use your barcode won't be able to. \n\nI don't understand how you think the blockchain can make scalping more easy.", "Where are you getting any evidence for the claims you’re making?? Why only “may” benefit 0.1%? Why worse for 99.9%? Your whole post is just disingenuous from start to finish.", "So what do you think about the potential of PLA from PlayDapp? He looks promising, as far as I can tell.", "Unless the NFT is actually a license key that gets checked on the chain against your private key every time you launch the game it's not going to be secure. And checking for it on the chain has a cost associated with it.", "Wtf no the store can't just grab the items you bought after you paid for them lol. That's theft and worst case scenario you can get your money back from the bank. \n\nAnd no, the previous owner of the house waives their ownership and defers it to you. One of the documents in question is a \"Deed of Trust\" which explicitly transfers ownership to you. If they tried to kick you out, they'd be trespassing and/or breaking and entering. The cops and the legal system would side with you. I actually work in real estate and it's clear you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Your attempt to throw my key argument back at me was adorable proof of that. The \"bunch of paper\" are documents recognized by the government and have actual, legally enforced power. A blockchain is not.", "> The point about the blockchain is proof of ownership. The current systems are \"good enough\", but you could send out your barcode to a ton of people and the first one to get it scanned would get in and no one else.\n> \n\n...but you can enforce more secure methods, like ensuring identification matches the ticket, just like airlines have to.\n\n\n> \n> \n> If there's proof of ownership on the blockchain, someone trying to use your barcode won't be able to.\n\n\nI'd want to see more about how a venue would be scanning tickets at a gate to determine that. I assume if you were showing a unique token to someone via QR code or similar it could be used to authenticate, but that could be weak to the very same \"someone else showed my QR code first\" issue.\n> \n> \n> \n> I don't understand how you think the blockchain can make scalping more easy.\n\nI was referring to the \"and if you decide to sell it, you can sell the ticket without having to mail it, etc and the recipient can receive it digitally\"\n\nWhich would facilitate scalping in the literal sense that it creates an easier, convenient market for reselling tickets.", "And on this day, two people on the internet came to an understand. 😂🤝", "Heh cheers :D", "There's a whole lot of people in here that clearly didn't watch the video. Or made it to a point and decided to take to the comments to try and argue that point without knowing their arguments were already shot down in a later part.", "Same thing applies for money.. it's just printed paper not even backed by a precious metal. What gives it value is an economic system that agrees of the legitimacy of it. Yes, if the entire block chain system falls apart, you cannot validate it.. same as money.", "\"don't use something that doesn't fit the task\" is also a kind of evolution. Like we stopped using http on public wi-fis. There are private blockchains like Monero. We can create a mix of private/public to better fit our task.\n\nThis issue with doxxing or spam can be mitigated by some kind of ability to reject incoming transactions. Yet the information will still be broadcasted to nodes before you can reject it... I believe you can construct some cryptographic black magic to fix that.", "People, has anyone worked with the marketplace from PlayDapp? I bought some PLA, and now I'm thinking how to effectively dispose of them.", "People, has anyone worked with the marketplace from PlayDapp? I bought some PLA, and now I'm thinking how to effectively dispose of them.", "I think the most promising for next year will be GameFi. Too much invested in tokens, such as PLA, so that it does not lead to significant growth.", "Literally nothing. Almost all NFTs were already easily duplicated. Right-click on it and select Copy or Save. There, now you also have a copy of that digital art. But what he's offering is the same thing as having an advanced printer recreate the Mona Lisa exactly. You still don't have THE Mona Lisa, you just have have exact copy. The original NFT is not somehow affected when someone makes their own copy. Most NFTs already sold many copies, just in limited quantities, and downloading some digital artwork from this site doesn't qctually give you the NFT. \n\nThe original owner still has the token and you do not have the token. If someone wants to buy the token, you cannot somehow impersonate the token and sell it yourself, and nobody would want to buy your copy because they can just download their own copy. They could have ALWAYS downloaded their own copy, since the concept of NFTs was first introduced. \n\nThere was never any intention of preventing people from getting their own copies of NFTs. The entire point of them is the little bit of code that we refer to as the token. That's the only valuable part of it, and that isn't being transferred or duplicated here. It has literally zero affect on the price of NFTs, because it doesn't change what people were able to do one iota, except to centralize them and make it easier to find the duplicates. People who buy these worthless little things literally do not care at all about the digital art itself being exclusive, just that the token is exclusive.\n\nIf paparazzi take a picture and it gets posted on the internet, I can get myself a copy of that picture really easily. But the ownership rights to that picture, are still valuable. I may have a copy, but I can't sell it to a newspaper. The person with ownership rights CAN, though. We can easily duplicate pictures now, when we couldn't before computers existed unless we had the negative. That didn't somehow cause the value of specifoc photographs to plummet. In the future we will have sufficient technology to reproduce on a cellular level an exact copy of Michaelangelo's David, but it doesn't matter how many people 3D print out their own; the original still retains its value. These tokens are the same thing.", "I'm not saying that we can't trust that everyone isn't a shape shifter (although with recent developments in deep fakes, maybe we should be somewhat worried).\n\nI'm just pointing out that establishing _identity_ is a problem external to blockchains.", "If you actually read the comment I responded to, I was referring to a situation where the artist sold their original painting without ever making any additional copies, effectively guaranteeing that the only legal copy that could ever exist was that single painting. It's impossible for the artist to monetize it further because they sold their only copy. \n\nI think it's morally wrong that the artist's failure to retain a copy of the artwork or distribute/monetize it should mean that it is condemned to be limited to a single copy, and thus only able to be enjoyed by those who can see the original.\n\nYour wallet analogy doesn't make any sense. It would be more like me giving you all the money in my wallet, but you can't spend it or do anything with it but look at it because I somehow retain ownership over it. I'd feel bad that the money was going to waste since I freely gave it to you.", "Not more expensive than all the mining equipment and electricity used to do the last 4 51% attacks that have occured on Ethereum since 2016.", "Read the Bored Ape terms and conditions. It's inherently contradictory. They say you \"own the art completely\", but then they outline what your rights are with the art. They reserve the right to revoke your license if you dont comply with their terms. If something can be taken from you, you don't own it.", "You said the NFT could end up with a dead/hijacked link... the point is, the creator of the NFT can create it with any comment they like, including the name of the artwork for the art example.\n\nEveryone is losing their minds as if an NFT is literally nothing more than hyperlink. I do think most NFTs are silly, but criticizing them should take into account what they actually are...", "The increasing ignorance of basic computer science is both surprising and concerning. If you're seeing the image on your computer, you have already downloaded the file.\n\nI heard about a kid who just opened a government website and downloaded information from it - end of discussion - and because the web devs fucked up and had intended for that info to be privately hosted / require credentials of some kind, this kid had the absolute fullest extent of the law brought down upon him (absurd charges, I think felonies, related to hacking or something).\n\nWe desperately need to bring the baseline of computer comprehension up. This is embarrassing.", "I won't say you're wrong but that does call into question the concept of ownership of art. If it can only be defined as the ability to deny people the ability to view it, what does that do the the concept itself? \n\nFurthermore, you can lock your Matisse away but I still have my print. You can hide your particles of paint but the image, it's beauty, it's artistic nature is copied on my wall in a $20 frame. \n\nThis ephemeral nature that is so valuable seems to be able to fit in the narrow space of \"brush strokes are never exactly alike\".", "There's a million ways, because if you can see a picture on the screen, the file has already been downloaded to your machine.", "Even with the block chain system in place NFTs have no legitimacy. Because an NFT doesn't grant you ownership of anything.", "Except it's not guaranteed to be authentic because anyone can create an NFT that points to the same art piece. Or create a perfect copy of that art piece and create an NFT that points to that.", "Increasing ignorance implies that at some point there was a universal higher competency level across the broad population.", "Only if you need to tie to an external identiy. And if you do need to do that you can do it in the way I said? It might be an external problem but it is solved by cryptography. Blockchain is only important if you care about when you proved your identity.", ">\tI don't have to prove ownership to sell an item on ebay.\n\nThis one probably depends on the country, as I was requested the full paperwork to become a seller there, as well as on the Amazon, etc.\n\nAnd, well, this just makes eBay untrustworthy.\n\nOther platforms are not the shopping platforms, so it’s not relatable.\n\n>\tIf someone does not verify that, it's a failure of the person, not the technology.\n\nThe fact, that platforms support getting there first, instead of getting it legally, is not the creator problem, but platform/system problem. Making those platforms unreliable and supporting illegal activity.\n\nI, as the creator, don’t have to be there at all and no one should be allowed to use my creations for the commercial purposes without my approval. This is simply an illegal act. So there’s nothing to even discuss here.\n\nAt the moment platforms ignore the legality almost completely (like OpenSea, which was finally forced to try and do something only after a huge online backlash). It’s not the creator’s problem.\n\nImagine if Amazon would allow to sell counterfeits without any sort of check. What kind of mess that would become.\n\nSo currently the technology is unreliable, because it has no theft-proof mechanism at the very point of the creation.\n\nIt’s like saying that it’s not your house lock is the problem for letting any key to unlock it, but you are the problem for not unlocking it first, thus allowing yourself to get robbed.\n\nWhile the solution is very simple: check the ownership before letting to create or publish the NFT. Just this one step would solve A LOT of the current issues.", "That's like saying a deed to a house doesn't mean you own the house because it's not a house it's a piece of paper. If I get a gun I can make your house my house... And no one will be able to prove its your house, I now am in the house and you just have a piece of paper..", "Friends, I really need advice on PLA. What I see gives reason to expect its growth in the next six months. Just because he will have an expanding gaming audience, new games going for releasing. Am I right?", "True, but it's far easier to instruct people on how to access that image in a way that will place it automatically in an easy to find location like their downloads folder, versus explaining which folders to navigate through to get to your browser cache and then just hoping you can find a random image in there.", "\n>What's to stop the miners from just forking ETH and continuing on with business as normal?\n\nThe lack of profit will stop them.\n\nThe forked chain won't be used and will thus the mining rewards will be practically worthless.\n\nThey would also have to fork out the difficulty bomb. \n\nThey would also have to create billions in Defi liquidity out of thin air. Defi wouldnt work at all on the forked chain. \n\nIf miners switch to any other blockchain en masse the rewards for those blockchains will become heavily dilluted and also practically worthless.\n\nGPU miner's days are running out, the writing is on the wall.", "I get that anything has value if we decide it has value. Gold is just a shiny rock, etc.\n\nBut in this case of NFTs, I don’t see what the blockchain adds that a certificate written on a napkin doesn’t add. Bitcoins made sense: it was a way for people to securely pay each other in secret, and so avoid taxes or other legal considerations. But if an NFT only has value if sold famously in a public forum, what value does the NFT add? Seems like Jack Dorsey could have just as easily printed out the first tweet, wrote the date on that, and sold it. The fine art world has been doing that shit for [over a hundred years now.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)). The NFT aspect just seems like tech-cultist shit designed to trick the gullible.", "I feel like nft’s got big to delegitimize crypto.", "Again your still thinking NFTs are going to be this little thing. Most projections show that they are going to implement block chain validation for most digital transactions.. which is almost everything these days. It's the most secure tech ever invented. \n\nNFTs will basically be the copyright of the future and much more. In a digital landscape valid block chain identification will be the most common tool for identifying legitimacy... So yeah sure if this whole system crumbles it won't mean shit.. same as currency. \n\nAlso your just describing the same situation now, unless you copy right an image and find someone using it, you'll never know that they are profiting from your work... And that's if the copy right laws are parallel. Look at China and how much they have basically copied all American apps. Where is your invisible protections then?", "all they do is establish ownership. When supplied by a reputable seller it proves ownership which allows a transaction. Bitch all you want but its no different than a dollar bill except better. This anti-NFT hate screams boomer fuck", "When no one owns it you dont need to trust someone to make it work , just the network .", "I agree except for the use case of private (Monero) and semi-private (Bitcoin) currency/value transfer. There is nothing analogous to that outside of blockchain technology. They are also very useful for remittances, where people send money to their families in other countries. In that case crypto is often actually the best option with significantly lower fees and much faster transfer times than using something like a bank or western union. There is also no cap on how much you can send them.", "It's just that all the NFT hate seems to have the wrong premise. Dur dur screenshot nft dur dur isn't valid because nobody's buying the screenshots. If they were flaming it for the pump and dump side of it as you mention I would understand that more", "Which does not prove a damn thing my man. If I mint an NFT and name it \"Mona Lisa\" does that mean I own the Mona Lisa? No, it does not mean jack squat. For it to mean anything you would have to have a separate contract stipulating that you actually own the piece of art named in your NFT, but at that point why do you need the NFT? Everytime you discuss these things with people it is so easy to poke holes in their grand proclamations about how this is the future.", "Because it's the one that the artist created and said \"hey here's a link to my collection.\"", "Capitalism in Defi is regulated by those who design and choose to participate in various protocols.\n\nDefi is also transparent unlike current systems. \n\nYou can regulate crypto, as you just mentioned. You can ban or firewall interaction with certain protocols, you could even blacklist addresses for interaction with certain protocols.\n\n>When you remove power from government, you remove power from democracies.\n\nIf you truly believe there is any democracy left in this world then I dont know what to tell you.\n\nDemocracy has been bent over ass-backward and raped by capitalism because of a lack of transparency. It's almost next to impossible to prove the enormous amount of fraud that takes place globally that corrupts our \"democracies\".\n\nEvery politician's monetary account could be made public knowledge for the purpose of scrutiny.\n\nYou could even create an in-built system where-by certain actions are physically impossible.\n\nYou could do this because their accounts and the code used to run them is publicly verifiable.", "Reselling isn't necessarily scalping. There are lots of reasons for someone to resell a ticket. If you resell a ticket, providing proof of ownership through an ID would fail unless the details of the ticket changed, which doesn't always happen", "Fair. It seems they were the ones who didn't understand the tech.", "That is how it works currently. However ownership has become less concentrated over time.\n\nAs with any asset class, if people wish to hoard it, they can.", "Yeah that's amusing. Has nothing to do with what I'm saying tho. These people are lying and I proved it.", "Whay if the artist doesn't have a website, just social media? What about reselling an NFT months or years later", "You don't copyright the certificate of authenticity, you copyright the work itself. And it's irrelevent given that anyone could mint an NFT of any URL, whether they own the contents hosted by it or not.", "No that's not true at all. A deed is a legal document that proves ownership and enforced by the power of the American court system. An NFT does not confer ownership in any way, shape, or form. You really don't seem the understand what NFTs are.", "I see plenty of hate over both aspects of it. And to be clear, the majority of the \"screenshot\" style hate isn't about screenshotting, but actually saving the original image. Meaning the content people are getting for free is byte for byte the same as the original. Screenshotting a piece of art is like taking a photo of a painting and getting a print made of it. Saving the piece of art is like walking out with a literal identical copy of a painting.\n\nIt's a valid critique since a major push of art based NFTs is comparing them to fine art pieces in the real world. That you're paying for a unique thing, and that the proof of ownership of your unique thing is where the value actually lies. This premise falls apart given that someone can grab that piece of art, and make another NFT for it and sell it as well.\n\nNot to mention all the art being stolen from the actual artists and sold as NFTs by people who have no rights to do so. Really the ability to copy NFT art is the other side of the coin to being able to make an NFT for anything even if you don't actually own the rights to it. That coin represents the fatal flaw of the lawlessness and lack of regulation in the space.", "I'm talking about the date. If someone tries to copyright your work or claim it's theirs, your NFT can prove you had it first.", "Then don't buy from them. Most projects have websites, social media, announce the minting address well ahead of the drop date, the NFT marketplaces whitelist the collection(opensea isn't as strict about this as they should be but other marketplaces are better at it), etc. It's pretty easy to not get scammed by copycat collections but it does happen.\n\nReselling later would still be covered under the collection. You can see all NFTs minted from that address, browse them, sort and filter them, and you never have to worry about buying a copycat because you know the NFTs you're looking at are part of the original collection.", "The part that the Blockchain adds to this picture is a decentralized immutable ledger. So for instance, if one were using NFTs as tickets to an event, you couldn't sell the same seat to two different people, and this can be verified and enforced without having to trust a central authority.\n\nWhether or nor this is a useful thing is another question entirely ;)", "Ownership of what exactly?", "I do say 'increasing' and 'surprising' because I have noticed the public opinion about information sent over computers has shifted to become less logical, which I wouldn't have expected as technology becomes more and more ubiquitous.", "Point 1 is factually incorrect. Many NFTs are entirely on-chain. It's a false narrative, a common misconception that all NFTs are just hyperlinks. Only some are, and those are generally not the premier NFTs. You need to understand that by saying this, you're telegraphing that you, beyond doubt, do not actually know anything about this stuff. It's a basic fact about NFTs, so if you don't know it, you simply cannot pretend to speak authoritatively.\n\nPoint 2 is irrelevant. Selling multiple copies after saying it's only 1-of-1 would permanently kill your reputation. But more importantly it wouldn't matter because the first mint would be considered the original by everyone. It doesn't matter one bit. \n\nPoint 3 is irrelevant. No one buying and selling NFTs cares about this, only anti-NFT people do. Again, it doesn't matter at all.\n\nPoint 4 is that the government can forcibly assert itself over anyone and thus decentralization doesn't exist? What?", ">The forked chain won't be used \n\nThe coins aren't used now for everyday transactions, not really. They're just 'stores of value'.\n\nThe miners will switch over to a coin that lets them mine with GPUs, and then put the full force of their propaganda campaigns towards getting suckers to buy those coins in particular, and then you'll be back here in two years talking about the advantages of whatever ponzi scheme they latch on to.\n\n>They would also have to create billions in Defi liquidity out of thin air.\n\nTether creates billions in \"liquidity\" out of thin air on a weekly basis. So long as the coin can use stablecoins as a trading pair, the same fake liquidity that keeps ETH and BTC floating will apply.", "Appreciate you attempting to educate people that have convinced themselves they understand this when they very blatantly do not from the moment they begin speaking on it. Doesn't seem to work imo. They've integrated their false narrative with their identity and now don't want to let it go. It would hurt them too much to admit they got it wrong.", "Okay, so it's pointless for small-time artists who don't have a dedicated website", "I get why there is misunderstanding about the environmental impact, but it's simply not true. Also, if there are environmental concerns, there are more harmful industries where the anger and effort should be directed. \n\nBlockchains are moving to proof of stake instead of proof of work, and there are many PoS blockchains already. \n\nI personally focus on Polkadot and Algorand which are PoS and have no environmental impact. \n\nDigital artists aren't trying to ruin the environment, we're just trying to make a living.", ">Usually Reddit gets pissed off when I say modern art is stupid and overhyped.\n\nAh, because as we all know Reddit is one single entity and not multiple people all with different opinions.\n\n>Turns out you people just like downvoting and arguing no matter what.\n\nFun fact, you are using reddit as well, so you are part of \"you people\". Funny how that works.", ">You could even create an in-built system where-by certain actions are physically impossible.\n\n>You could do this because their accounts and the code used to run them is publicly verifiable.\n\nAnd your impression is that the politically powerful would be the ones who get shit on by this kind of scheme? There's a reason why the Republican party is going hot for cryptocurrency.", "I guess you've never heard of the stock market.\n\nAgain, if you are buying the art expecting it to go up, then you're investing, not buying art. There is no 'scam' there.", "well how can you copy a Lambo? let alone do it hundred times over. Unless you get the parts for free on these Lambos and build it, then okay. but NO, that's a bad example when talking about NFT. That doesn't apply here.", "So this?\n\nhttps://foldingathome.org/?lng=en-US", "The rights to a picture on the internet of course! ( or any digital asset for that matter) verifiable by a third party.", "well shit. I just did and you're right. I stand corrected.", "You're completely correct. \n\nI can't believe I forgot that. I work with video all the time.", "o", "So the technology only works if everyone uses it equally then? \n\nWhat if a bunch of people just... Don't want to use NFTs?\n\nThey purchase an identical digital good as the \"authentic\" version but they are completely ignorant of NFTs. \n\nSeems like you're just trying to force scarcity where it doesn't exist.", "We naming brands now? Ok, lemme try…\n\nToys “R” Us…", "Well people aren't going to spend billions on nfts to inflate ether price. And even the creator of ethereum and the entire community wants to shift nfts to other networks like matic, arbitrum, etc.\n\nI mean you can buy any nft you want. The issue is whether or not it will have value to other people. All that gives any nft value is what other people are willing to pay for them.\n\nIt's not really a pyramid scheme. But you could argue it's a ponzi scheme for sure. I wouldn't really argue against that. Some are legitimately interesting pieces of art that actual museums or big collectors buy though.", "In most first world countries you dont pay property taxes on your PPOR to prevent this exact situation.\n\nIts best you dont make comments about adult matters if you're still in high school.", "You’re buying Web 3.0 rights to a link to generally externally hosted Web 2.0 assets though. \n\nThe whole thing seems asinine.", "Because the purpose of ticket sharks isn't to solve the problem of ticket verification?", "So... how do you copy the Mona Lisa?\n\n> The Monalisa Painting for example, go ahead and hit that duplicate button u just used for your lambo example.\n\nBut anyways let's run with this. \n\nLet's say I walk up to the Mona Lisa and hit my duplicate button 10,000 times. I take these identical copies of the Mona Lisa to an empty warehouse then bring the real Mona Lisa in and put it somewhere in the stack of 100% atom perfect duplicates of the Mona Lisa.\n\nHow do you find the real Mona Lisa in this warehouse of 10,000 identical copies of it?", "\n>The coins aren't used now for everyday transactions, not really. They're just 'stores of value'.\n\nThere is an extraordinary amount of activity on ethereum so that is just plain untrue. \n\n>The miners will switch over to a coin that lets them mine with GPUs, and then put the full force of their propaganda campaigns towards getting suckers to buy those coins in particular, and then you'll be back here in two years talking about the advantages of whatever ponzi scheme they latch on to.\n\nYes, and the overwhelming majority of Ethereum's userbase will not migrate. Just look at every hard fork in existence. The fork always loses to the main chain. \nThe developers won't migrate so why should the users. The whole userbase acknowledges the merge is the right thing to do and it has been planned since ethereum's inception. The only individuals that disagree are the one's that have been mining and havent prepared for the merge. \n\n>Tether creates billions in \"liquidity\" out of thin air on a weekly basis. So long as the coin can use stablecoins as a trading pair, the same fake liquidity that keeps ETH and BTC floating will apply.\n\nYes, tether does. That's not what I'm talking about. \nYou can't clone tokens on ethereum onto a different chain and expect people to use them. There will be the real tokens that continue to exist on ethereum and then there will be the copies. Even if they were to do this, who would run all the liquidity pools for all the decentralized exchanges and protocols, the answer is no one would. If they forked ethereum they would need to collude and create new coins out of thin air, give them to themselves and then run all the liquidity pools in a centralized manner.\n\nDefi is not forkable. I don't blame you for not fully understanding it. This is a very rapidly changing medium that even advanced defi/crypto developers struggle to keep up with due to information asymmetry.", "?", "K", "> Wtf no the store can't just grab the items you bought after you paid for them lol.\n\nOf course they can. Do you have a magical force-field around you preventing that?\n\n> That's theft\n\nWhat defines \"theft\" is just something written down on a piece of paper.\n\n> And no, the previous owner of the house waives their ownership and defers it to you. One of the documents in question is a \"Deed of Trust\" which explicitly transfers ownership to you.\n\nAgain, just something written on a piece of paper. Good luck throwing a piece of paper at the house after they kicked you out.\n\n> If they tried to kick you out, they'd be trespassing and/or breaking and entering.\n\nSo? Right-clickers don't care about stuff like that.\n\n> The \"bunch of paper\" are documents recognized by the government and have actual, legally enforced power. A blockchain is not.\n\nDigital signatures are legally recognized just as if you had physically signed a stack of paper.", "youre buying verifiable rights to an asset without which no legal enterprise would entertain doing business with you. This makes it possible to confirm someone actually owns the thing before you buy it. More importantly an intermediary could confirm ownership and also confirm funding prior to release. Its a predecessor to operating online that prior to NFT we all just focused on \"trusted\" ecommerce entities.", "I don't own any NFTs, retard.", "Complete with a tie-in cartoon trying to sell them to the impressionable.", "Holy shit you have no fucking idea how the world works lol. Ever heard of police? Guns? Lawyers? Those are all things that would help you out in any of those examples (except for guns in a grocery store. Please don't try that.) \n\n\"Right clickers\" are not the same as a trespasser. Your rights are not violated. No laws are broken. An NFT does not grant you ownership of the original data unless the data itself, not a glorified hyperlink, is given to you upon payment. Gotta love how cyptoids are trying to demonize something everyone on the internet has been doing for ages. \n\nYou're an absolute fucking idiot and it's honestly kind of hilarious. One day you'll become an adult and you'll look back on this moment and realize just how out of depth you were in this conversation. Good luck out there, buddy. You're gonna need it.", "No, crypto die-hards always pretend like there are more issues with established currency than with crypto.", "https://xkcd.com/927", "Pretty fascinating, thanks for taking the time to type it all out. It all makes sense theoretically, and would explain a great deal of the inflated values we're seeing in NFTs. I wonder are there any examples of people being caught out doing this? Or any journalistic investigations that have taken place around it?\n\nThe simpler explanation I was aware of was that people are buying NFTs using sock accounts in order to inflate the value and create a false demand, thereby creating a real demand and a high price for their product. I don't believe that's the full story though, your theory certainly adds alot to it.", "the courts and ultimately the state with exclusive license for violence would enforce it.", "Yes, but it can still be deleted. IPFS isn't immutable.", "No. I do not. What you try to paint as a 'scammer' is virtually how collectible markets work. You either buy something with the intent to sell it for a higher price to someone else in the future or keep it lol. They are merely a risky investment with a high upside and low downside. I invested 10k last summer and I made 6 figures. It's just I am a seasoned trader and recognized we were in a mania stage of a bull cycle. I sold the ones that I didn't actually like which was the majority and kept the ones I did.", "Yes, very true. I guess for this to work there's a missing piece where an 'original' is something that already exists on chain and can be verified by anyone, so that selling anything except that is meaningless. Not sure how it'd work though.", "I agree with you, IMO this kind of use case is better served by a trusted, centralized auction house (Like original art already is), but that doesn't mean the blockchain doesn't solve these problems.", "NFTS are built on Blockchain tech.\n\nMembership is literally an address in a ledger.\n\nYou don't need NFTS for any memberships, free or not.\n\nEssentially NFTs are easily cloned digital collectors cards, if you care about authenticity or the issuer of authenticity then it may serve a purpose. But the NFTs itself as art are essentially worthless because anyone can duplicate it easily. So supply is essentially infinite. Demand can be infinite as well there will be no shortage of \"art\" for people to clone. The only thing irreplaceable or in short demand is the address in the ledger assuming that you care about that.", "There would be nothing formal that makes one blockchain the 'official' one, my guess is that it would just emerge as the dominant one like Ethereum basically has for NFTs at the moment. Similar to how Bitcoin is more valuable than some random altcoin, even though both of them are intangible and meaningless, because people value the Bitcoin blockchain and ecosystem.", "Wrong. Nobody values your replicated NFT. Only a few projects have had temporary success knocking off successful projects artwork and putting a different spin on it. The same way I can photocopy a famous painting, nobody is going to pay millions for it.", "I'm glad you asked, you don't. You will never find a original Monalisa among the 10,000 copies. It would almost next to impossible to determine the original from the duplicates. So now, all those 10,000 Monalisa, including the original, had just lost it's value. But lets insert this \"receipt\". You have the receipt on the blockchain that you bought the original Monalisa for 1 million dollars. Well, at that point, your digital copy of the Monalisa is now the only one that would be distinguishable amongst the rest of the Monalisa in the world. Therefore, YOU have the original Monalisa imprinted on the blockchain.", "Just Google Real estate and Blockchain or search for any of the dozens of podcasts on the subject. Real estate professionals are adopting the tech so don’t call me delusional. This isn’t something I’m just making up. It’s happening, look at companies such as Ubiquity. Do you realize how many different entities and lawyers and inspectors need to be involved in real estate processes? Smart contracts will eliminate so much unnecessary work in document transfers and authentications. Not to mention the ability to tokenize property for retail investors outside of the commercial market. Don’t ask me just go listen to the professionals in real estate that are actually doing it.", "There's a ton of misinformation about NFT and crypto going around, so I don't blame you. Its nice to be able to have a reasonable discussion with someone who isn't just trying to pump and dump their assets.", "hey, ho, wha... hold on...\n\nyou mean to tell me they are storing HTTP URLs in the blockchain? not even a signed hash of the actual content?\n\nNFT really is the funniest joke of the 21st century.", "That information is available for free without the need to use cryptocurrency. This has gone on too long, if you’re adamant in comparing physical goods to NFTs then we’re not going to come to any consensus so I’m gonna disengage.", "So you're saying the last 3500+ years of the art world is \"morally wrong?\"\n\nYou've got one serious ego.", "It's really only possible with coins. They have no equivalent off chain, and cannot be created at will. Anything else is just creating a complex ledger.", "people downvoting you watched a few videos and think they get it - many scams for sure, thats what you get with a permissionless market....\n\nultimately we will see web3 bring _some_ level of digital ownership come back to the users\n\nthe best example of real life NFT-level stuff I can think of would be something like the SUPREME brand, they sold/sell bricks and crowbars that trade on ebay for $300-500 purely because of the branding... how this is different from nft i dunno, most people get it when i give them that example.", "Right click. Inspect.\n\nThat navigates directly to the resource under your mouse.", "> (all?)\n\nYes, all. \n\nIt's impossible for Blockchains to hide a secret and automatically reveal it only in some conditions (say owning an NFT, or a reaching a given time and date), because anyone at any time can simulate a future blockchain state where those conditions have been met. \n\nMiners/validators won't accept such a state, but you can simulate it and extract the secret.", "The fact they have a price means they’re with the price. There’s buyers and sellers. So they aren’t worthless because they have a price. They’re basically a signed autograph. And people pay for that. I think if you were a part of one of these communities you’d see the value. And don’t say they’re a bubble that will pop, maybe! Maybe not. But bitcoin has been in a bubble since 2011 lol.", "You can upload SVGs which would store it on the blockchain for cheap.", "> I'm glad you asked, you don't.\n\nIf I can make a perfect copy of the Mona Lisa then the Mona Lisa loses value because I can get one instantly and for free. There's no reason to value an \"original\" if everyone can have a completely perfect copy of the original for free.", "Very, very few people have gotten fuck you money just by getting lucky with crypto. Most of the crypto billionaires were already billionaires and whenever they want to buy more crypto, they spread FUD to drive the prices down.", "There are liquid markets for Bitcoin in over a dozen major currencies. It isn't \"valued in dollars\".", "What do you call it when the mania collapses and no one wants to buy the thing anymore? What do you call the last guy who paid $10,000 for a beanie baby?\n\nBecause I call this guy the bagholder. He tried to drop his bags on someone else and failed and now he's left....\n\nHolding the bag. That's exactly what the last NFT buyer is. Once this mania collapses, there will be people left holding worthless NFTs. That's not an investment. That's a greater fools theory scam.", "Exactly what I thought while listening to this video.", "The fact that Central authorities have been managing proof of ownership for thousands of years rather successfully is a knock against nfts though", "No, it can't? A URL is arbitrary and the contents behind it can change at any time. A URL doesn't prove copyright or bit.ly would own half the internet\n\nIf I mint a wholly original NFT pointing at a domain, the owner lets the domain registration lapse, and someone else buys it, then they put the Mona Lisa at the same URL.. the NFT doesn't prove that you own the Mona Lisa.", ">NFT or no, the company still needs to build infrastructure to support it.\n\nAnd, importantly, the company has to want to do this. NFT bros never explain why a private company would ever agree to give up centralized control over their users. Why would Valve want me to be allowed to sell my items after being banned? That's something that helps only banned users at a great cost to everyone else.", "I'll reiterate again for you the nft itself is essentially worthless. The value is in claiming authentic ownership of something which does not require a nft to do.", "👍 that’s Always my goal", "Don't you find it strange that he didn't even take the time to clean his fingernails and he's having a interview that millions of people will see?", "Sure :)\n\nYou can do anything but post it online or publish it. If you want to use it as wallpaper or print it and hang it on your wall go for it.", "Excellent photos!", "Or do something good and donate to a local Shakespeare troupe like my wife and I have. For $50/yr they'll call you Lord Evranch for the year. Or pony up more like we do and be Duke and Duchess. It's actually quite fun showing up and having your title announced.", "Because then both of you have the same private key. How do you prove who actually owns it?", "You really should watch the video...", "Haven't seen it. Most of the people I know who shoot macro are focus stacking -taking multiple frames at different focus points and then combining them in post. That technique does not work for me because the subjects I shoot are active and would move between frames.", "Thanks!", "Yes, there's another obvious reason - they hope to sell it for more. To claim it's all money laundering you have to prove that artists like Beeple, who have produced art daily for over a decade, is money laundering. I will await for your evidence.", "So you do not like your wife?...", "That's factually incorrect. You own the private key.", "Thanks! I currently use Canon's MP-E 65mm macro lens. I list the gear and how I set it up under every photo.", "Thanks!", "I am thinking the size of a small dog. The males would make great pets because they do not have a stinger.", "K", "There's just this huge fucking misunderstanding of what the point of NFTs are, and people are being scammed left and right by those selling them as well.\n\nIs there a point of owning a JPG? No....\n\nIs there a point in owning for example a cosmetic item in a game, and the game is implementing against some NFT standard. If the game is implemented against this blockchain, that means that the game publisher, can't take away your items. You can trade it freely, and you have actual ownership of those items, aside from just your skins being a thing in CSGO for example. Those things can be taken away, even though you paid top dollar for it. You don't have ownership of it, ultimately the game company does. And for whatever reason they can close your account, and stop you from having access to all the things you paid for. \n\nIn that sense, if that item is an NFT, you can still sell it on, trade it freely, and have.\n\nI guess this ties more deeply into the idea of what the hell digital ownership is, but certainly I see some merit in your ownership being absolute, and tied to a trust-less source.\n\nBut this madness of buying gifs and shit? It's just scammers taking advantage of people not understanding it.", "That fucking sucks.", "I watched until he said something factually incorrect which was less than a minute\n\nIt isn't remotely \"all the NFTs\" from those chains and it's bizarre that ppl keep saying it is.", "I never said I was an expert. This is just thoughts that came to me from reading this thread. \n\nBut much like I don’t value proving I own a piece of NFT Art, I don’t value proving my level of knowledge to you. \n\n5. Why the hell are NFT bros so die hard? Lol", "I thought you would have caught on by now. You came pretty close in your last comment.\n\nSaving an image from the internet (unless you claim it's covered by fair use) is already against the law, and is already possible with digital works whether they're NFTs or not. This \"loophole\" some people think destroys NFTs is already a thing. The very same legal system you claim is so strong to defend against everything else, is also there for copyright holders, no matter how they distribute their work.\n\nIf this is your only, or main, argument against NFTs, that's it's easy to pirate the work, you don't really have an argument.", "\"Owning something\" is just everyone agreeing on who gets to use what, it's not some fundamental property of objects.\n\nIf everyone agreed that NFTs decide ownership, they would decide ownership. Like we all agree that real estate property is decided by a document some notary wrote.\n\nThe subject is complex because it defies some fundamental concepts of we think about property and ownership.\n\nAnd on the subject of \"they bought nothing\", then any digital purchase is buying nothing?\nSince a game can be pirated, is buying a game on steam just like being scammed?\nWhy is one corporation keeping track of purchases fine but if you put it in a distributed database then it becomes a scam...", ">Well if the NFTs are on-chain they couldn’t just take them away from you.\n\nWouldn't need to.\n\n>They could remove that asset from their game, \n\nThey wouldn't need to do that dither. They could just stop recognizing the validity of your specific NFT. NFT is just data, it's their choice to interpret the data how they see fit. What's worse, your NFT item could be rendered void by an invisible, non-centralized, list, thus making the entire market just a little bit more scammy for everyone else. How do you verify that the game creator will recognize a given NFT before you purchase it?\n\n>but another developer could build a similar asset in another game and allow you to use it since you have that NFT tied to your wallet.\n\nWhat's NFTs got to do with any of this? Developers can already steal each other's ideas to attract players, have you not heard of PUBG, Fortnite, and Apex?\n\nThey didn't need NFTs to rip each other off. \n\nAnd there would be no major incentive to only give these stolen items to players who have already purchased them elsewhere. Why not give them to everyone? It's not like you're getting any money from them having purchased it already before. The sale is already lost.\n\nAnd I sure as fuck am not going to start playing Hot New Bullshit if the people who got banned from Current Big Game get a nice starting bonus that I don't. What a terrible experience for most users.\n\nAnd you don't need NFTs for this. It's trivial to expose a players inventory to a public facing API if the developer intended to make this data available.... which leads me to:\n\n>So if a publisher went and pissed off a player base, another publisher could add assets tied to those NFTs into their existing game in a bid to entice the player base to shift over. \n\nWhy would company A, knowing this, ever agree to make this data public? Companies are not going to help their users flee. Do you have an example that doesn't depend on capitalists having a major change of heart about liking money?\n\n>Wouldn’t it be neat to carry over our karma with us?\n\nWhat for? Are they targeting Reddit specifically? Do they use the same system? Do upvotes and downvotes work the same on their platform? Do they do anything at all? Why would I want to follow a bunch of people who care that much about their fake internet points off the site that made those points meaningful? \n\nAnd, again, doable without NFT. Heck, this one could be done right now with very little hassle, as Reddit already offers a login API to verify account ownership and account karma is already publically available.\n\nFor NFT to work in all these \"neat\" ways, there must be a very non-trivial amount of buy-in from each developer wishing to participate, who must overlook that the lack of centralization is pretty much only ever going to be used against them, and that all of these things could be implemented in a short afternoon much easier with the pre-existing API tools developed in the 90s.\n\nNFT's harbor an environment where each big player is incentivized to take data from the public ledger, and then turn around and not contribute. Data is control.", "Well , I think punks / apes are offering a lot more since they're a giant in the space and have very high reputation , but even with smaller projects , you often find very good investment opportunities in these \"\"private groups\"\" , you often get benefits from the project itself partnering with other projects , it's allot of benefits if you consider that you're not actually paying for anything , your paying for your NFT , that you can sell at any time , maybe even for a profit \n\nusually outside of crypto , such groups are tied to big sums of money you have to pay , just for the connections and status alone , not so with quality NFT's\n\nbut yeah there are different kind of projects , some are just art , can't expect much more \n\nsome are entire AAA games or finance protocols , it's an insanely innovative space if you look into it , the ape/punk jpeg reputation is only the tip of the iceberg", "Not so social eh?", "Ya", "It's ok, Merry Christmas.", "Okay fine replace what I said with very expensive paintings... Same thing. Your just criticizing inherent aspects of art. NFTs and art are just the beginning.. but your not describing NFTs your describing the nature of the art industry. You can't blame NFTs for this. NFTs bring a more secure way of legitimacy to digital art.. just because the medium of art carries flaws doesn't mean that NFTs don't fix a majority of it... Just not all of it.", "How’s that a knock against NFTs? Could you elaborate? Should we not always be looking for ways to improve the way we do things?", "[https://youtu.be/i\\_VsgT5gfMc?t=312](https://youtu.be/i_VsgT5gfMc?t=312)\n\nDo you understand that this is objectively false? He's wrong.\n\nYou guys are getting your information from people who have no clue what they're talking about.", "Thank you! Love your macro shots! Never tried macro myself… really looks interesting!", "Don’t call me a retard, you’re the one defending nfts, moron", ">So you're saying the last 3500+ years of the art world is \"morally wrong?\"\n\nThat's a really broad question. What exactly do you think I'm saying is \"morally wrong\" that's been going on for 3500+ years? Where does the 3500+ number from?\n\nYou call me an idiot, but you can't even form a coherent question or explain your opinions.", "Bitcoins made sense because of the anonymous exchange aspect. NFTs also use the blockchain so people assumed they would have some similar benefit.\n\nBut this seems not to be the case. NFTs rather seem to be like a cryptocurrency with none of the benefits of cryptocurrency except that you get to put a link to something into the blockchain. \n\nIt is fine if rich people want to use this feature for the sake of artistic expression. Fine artists have been selling blank canvases for over a hundred years now so it’s not exactly a new idea. But regular people have also considered this really dumb for over a hundred years too.", "Thank you! Your art will brighten a small portion of a wall in my home office!", "TBH you already proved your level of knowledge.\n\n5. I simply dislike falsehoods and lies, especially about a technological development that will ultimately make the world a much more consistent and fair place. I've seen threads like this hundreds of times and only once or twice have I bothered to correct. Ultimately it's not worth it because anti-crypto and anti-nft people are immune to facts that could change their views. \n\nNFTs go far beyond art and you will all be interacting with blockchain/crypto/nfts on a daily basis by the end of the decade at most. It's unavoidable and unstoppable. There's no need to change anyone's mind about this, it's happening regardless. I just don't like lies, particularly lies that are gatekeeping people from success. Artists are missing out on the grail they've been waiting for because of absolute doofuses gatekeeping them with tribalistic misinformation. \n\nFrom the OP video:\n\n\"It's factually correct that we've yet to find actual use for this technology.\" \n\nHe's wrong a thousand times over. These people are fucking luddites dude. They're so far behind it's legitimately embarrassing.", "The key that allows you to access the URL other people can get access to for free", "Thamk", "> Yes, people who have studied art, understand the history of it, and understand the historical significance of a specific piece value it highly.\n\nWho are you talking about? Certainly not the people who purchase NFT's.", "Spade's a spade.", "Unfortunately redditors are not most people. Or fortunately, depending on how you look at it. Some pretty terrible arguments against NFTs in this thread, and a few good ones about the current state of things.", "No idea what you're talking about man 🤷‍♂️", "No, but it is very much in the interest of the venue/artist/ticket provider. Are you saying that the huge industry of venueplanning are just too incompetent to integrate a system like that? If it's qs easy as you say", "Often the picture sites will cover the resource/image with a div meant to protect this action that's somewhere completely different.", "For most NFTs anyone can see them. And copy them. But only the owner can prove the ownership because only he/she has the private key.", "This is just the exact same problem, come on. Sure, you're the only one that can sign things with your signature, but someone else can just sign with their own key pair. In both cases, you need some outside trusted source where you can check the signature/NFT is actually the real one. Usually for digital signatures this is a governmental organization that issues key pairs once you provide your personal ID and other documentation. With an NFT, the artist would put on some site the IDs of the NFTs they minted, or a link to them", "So you're going to play games and go for the \"I'm not dumb, you're dumb!\" approach?\n\nHave fun with that.\n\nI will update my number, though. To be more accurate it should have been \"the last 2700 years,\" but whatever. You don't actually care.", "Regular money can be used as a scam. NFTs is just data. It's a way of dealing with data. All technology can be used in good or bad ways, technologies are human inventions, it's about what we do with them, not the technologies themselves. The video is a smooth brained nonsensical argument against NFTs, even if every word is true.", "I know that wedding photographers are about the lowest of the low in artistic creativity and intelligence, but Christ. I may as well be arguing with a wall.\n\nSince you're too stupid to use your big boy words and explain your own dumb question I'm going to try and guess that you're implying that artists have always only had an original copy of their artwork for the last 2700 years. Is that right?\n\nI'd say that's false. As long as there has been artwork, humans have been reproducing artwork in whatever methods were available to them at the time. And I think that's a good thing, so that the artwork could spread and help define and influence culture.", "NFTs are just a technology, numbers and data. it's a way a certain way humans deal with data. Technology isn't inherently good or bad, technologies are human inventions, it's about what we do with them This is the most basic understanding of any technology. It's nonsensical garbage to say that this technology is inherently good or bad. That's impossible. It's like a tool. Some people might do good with it, some people might try and scam people with it, some people might find it useful, some people won't. Just like every other piece of technology humans have. Understand this most basic premise yet? \n\nAnd yes WE CAN discuss whether or not using data like this is helpful for humans or not. We don't need your permission. The adults will keep discussing it, while you cry in the corner or play with your toys. The abstraction is obviously to hard for your small little brain. Even though many adults have taken the time out of their day to try and explain it to you.", "If you're trying to insult me, you're gonna have to work a lot harder than that, that's some kindergarten level adorableness right there, honey.\n\nYou can't even read, so I'm going to lay it out real simple for you.\n\nBye Felicia.", "I can't read? That's the best you got? Really?", "Is it really an improvement? Nearly all uses for NFT tech I have heard is replacing a system that already works just fine. I'm not inherently against the technology, I'm just also not inherently for it.", "Yes. You posted a specific string of words, and I replied to that specific string of words.\n\nThen you spent hours pretending that didn't happen, so you can feel good about apparently insulting me? I think that's what you tried to do?", "LoL. Yeah, the people with the source code to the game are slaves to the NFT. They couldn't just blacklist items or users or wallets? You're asking for a decent amount of complexity and processing costs from a company for no benefit to implement something they can already do without NFTs.\n\nThat said, I agree that a decentralized authoritative record is compelling, but I haven't yet heard a good use case (aside from arguably as a backing for a digital currency)", "Indeed, we should be aware of replacing old systems that work with new systems that could emerge new and possibly worse problems. I’m with you in saying I’m not inherently for it - in fact I think we should return to monkey.", "Well, I answered your \"2700 year\" question, but I guess your reading comprehension wasn't good enough to get that far.\n\nJust can't stand people who disagree with you can you?", "\nWhy should they do another Epic/Rockstar/GOG/xyz launcher? Why not kickstart something, which actually has a use-case for things like this in computer science, is easy to implement and is transparent and fair?\n\n\nThe technology behind it, featured with zeroKnowledge RollUps, allows to trade your items transparently, fair and uses full potential of a technology, actually intended for use cases like that. \n\n\nAlso collectors, as like in Fortnite or CS:GO skins, could actually trade their items. Though GameStop has to set stone with their technology, so publishers can follow and use an industry standardized NFT technology. \n\nIt would be easy to implement for programmers with „GameStopNFT“-libraries/SDKs to actually implement those into games for in-Game items etc. \n\nEasy implementation, easy royalties. Why shouldn’t you do that?", "How, exactly, are you disagreeing with me?\n\nBe specific.", "I'm completely open to having a completely open discussion about this technology. I'm not personally invested in it at all. In fact, I've been trying for days, only to be met with a barrage of misinformation and ignorance. Not to mention that every helpful comment in this thread has been downvoted. Now you accuse me of not being open to discussion. I've been trying for days and days, check my comment history. \n\nNow you accuse me of not being open to discussion. Again, that's a bad faith argument from you. Disgusting", "As long as there has been artwork, humans have been reproducing artwork in whatever methods were available to them at the time. And I think that's a good thing, so that the artwork could spread and help define and influence culture.", "Need the legal system to see the contract as legally binding for it to be worth anything. The link in the NFT is just a preview. The Idea is that if someone does something with the work you can go after them legally. Can you? If the answer is no then the nft you own is worthless.", "Ownership is based on the ability to enforce that ownership. You have to have some authority that everyone (or most everyone) agrees is the arbiter of ownership and is capable of enforcing their authority.\n\nSo it really doesn't matter if someone says they've \"decentralized\" ownership, because the entire concept of ownership is based on centralized authority.", "Why would it be taken down? The artist themselves are deciding to take the art down, not the platform. If you are buying ripped off art you are buying junk. Not actual rights to own it.", "I mean, there is an organization which can officially name celestial bodies, and that is the International Astronomical Union. But all those companies that sell certificates for the naming of celestial bodies (stars, moon craters, etc.) have nothing at all to do with the IAU and are all scams.", "This really does sound like good fun. I live pretty far out in the country, but it's a good reminder to try to make it to the city for some of the outdoor theatre in the summer - I haven't gone in years but should try to find the time for it!", "History is full of tech that looked hot and fizzled out and died. Time will need to tell, as only hindsight is 20/20.", "This is a pretty fair take on it. \n\nI will say that unlike a lot of things in crypto that are done just because, digital art tokens actually seems like an appropriate use for a distributed ledger but people on Reddit just mischaracterize the entire thing every fucking time… muh electricity, muh screenshot.\n\nThe point is that the entire ledger is auditable. It’s like a chain of title. It’s not much deeper than that. If someone else claims ownership, there is an trail that would indicate which of the two (or more) of the same files/images was created first. That’s very useful for tracking ownership. \n\nAdditionally, art for any given artist doesn’t need to be tracked through the entire blockchain… it can often be tracked by just looking up the public wallet address of the artist.\n\nWhen you compare to traditional art, this is so much less nebulous. \n\nSpecific issues mentioned in the video are probably legitimate - like how the file is actually stored - but I’m not going to watch it because I don’t want to endorse conflating imperfection with “scams” which is just grossly hyperbolic in the same way that the traditional art world which has no shortage of forgeries and other imperfections of its own makes it a scam", "Too much “punch” for my taste.", "So you're going to contradict yourself and call it an argument with me...\n\nSaves me the work! Thanks!", "What's the contradiction?", "While you could copy the image and make another NFT, the new NFT would be minted by a different address, which would not be associated with the artist. It's akin to forging a signature. \n\nAn image associated with an NFT that is minted by the real artist is like a print that is signed and numbered by an artist, while an image by itself is equivalent to a cheap poster, and an image with an NFT minted by a different wallet, is like a forgery or knockoff.", "\nNo need to apologize! We all have busy lives. \n\nThank you for the explanations! Looks like I have more to read and learn!", "Go back and read the thing again, if you can.", "The only thing disgusting is your reading comprehension. I said nothing about \"open discussion\". I quoted you which you said:\n\n>Proof that most people here are acting in bad faith, are emotional, and don't WANT to have a rational discussion. I think that's the saddest part.\n\nYou proceed to then make this comment:\n\n>Wow, great argument bro. Really made me smarter and wiser.\n\nHow is this comment anything but acting in bad faith and not a rational discussion? How exactly does this not make you a hypocrite? Especially when you are the only one acting in bad faith, are emotional, and don't want any sort of rational discussion? All you have been doing is being passive aggressive and sarcastic. None of your comments have an ounce of rationality or argument of good faith.\n\nThen you accuse me of saying something about \"open discussion\". You either can't read or just can't have the capacity to have a rational argument. Take a good look in the mirror before you spout your self righteous hypocrisy.", "I did. There's no contradiction.", "Utility is subjective. One person might find a movie entertaining, another might not. Likewise, you might not see the value of being the \"owner\" of an ethereum NFT, but somebody else might. There is no way to objectively measure the \"value\" of an entity, it's all subjective", "Yes the rules are arbitrary, but the rules define \"ownership\" such that only one person can own the NFT. Whether or not you respect those rules is up to you. But there are other people that respect those rules and are willing to put down money for it. It's just like any game. If you don't care about the game then no need to follow the rules. But the players of the game still care", "wait, wait, wait. Is this definition based on the fact that someone can copy and paste the image?", "Do you really think that right now even, if someone hacks an exchange and steals a bunch of bitcoin, they can't get a court order and have the miners freeze this utxos so they can't be transferred or spent? If course they can. You don't want to become an accessory to grand theft, so you blacklist the coins until they are recovered.\n\nAnd it's not even that hard. Bitcoin has this hilarious narrative about decentralization because they have tens of thousands of raspberry pi yes-men on the network, when in reality there are about 35 actual nodes (mining pools that build blocks propagate them to the network and build on the previous block), and 75% of the hash on those nodes are controlled by less than 10 people/ companies. \n\nThe more important aspect of proof of work block chain is that it's something that forces honest behavior. Imagine if the entire government was running on blockchain and citizens could find out all of the shady shit they are up to by running analytics.", "Legitimacy is up to the people to decide, not the blockchain. If the artist sees that somebody minted their art onto the blockchain, they can just tack on some extra metadata onto the image and then declare the new object as the \"official NFT\". Since the new NFT is actually endorsed by the artist, the old NFT will lose value and people will regard the new NFT as the real one.", "How is a torrent with no seeders, different from an IPFS file with no hosters (and no pinners)?", "Eh, you know what this conversation would be much better if there was someone else here contributing and calling one or both of us a dumbass.\n\nSince it's just us this is pretty boring. I'm done. Ping me if someone else chimes in.", "The problem isn't that they are electronic, it's that they are clandestine. Has an audit ever been done of the voting machine software that the public could actually view the details on? No. \n\nBlockchain voting is easy. It's already been done, and it was successful in local elections.", "Imo the reliance on IPFS is unnecessary. We should just take the SHA256 hash of the digital asset being minted (like some digital painting), and put that on the blockchain as the NFT. Then the digital asset can be hosted anywhere, and isn't linked to any specific hosting solution. In fact IPFS already uses SHA256 hashes, so I don't know why people mint IPFS links instead of just minting the hash directly", "Is storing a SHA256 hash of file in the NFT really that bad? It would remove the dependency on hosting providers", "Its not a hate boner, distributed databases are still extremely inefficient even without the stupid proof work. And also extremely pointless", "The art is definitely not the end point. Sure some NFTs are just art but that's not the whole story. There are heaps of projects where you get to \"play golf\" - the NFT is simply the verifiable membership card which can be freely traded.\n\nHave a look at what Neo Tokyo is doing, people are not paying over 150k for the jpg...", "Or, you know, proving the legal ownership before minting could be a basic requirement to counter the theft.", "Utility is not subjective. If you want to prove me otherwise - stop eating food.", "it is indeed a shame, I would love more open discussions about these sort of things but media bias makes that very difficult.", "People will fear and slander what they don't understand.\nMedia bias creates a lot of negatives surrounding it.\n\nJust like the internet was feared because of media bias.", "Even without the money I was really interested in the technology behind them, I've sold some of my own photography as NFTs and didn't charge a lot in-fact I only sold them for $1 / shot and didn't sell a whole massive amount but NFTs made that possible.\n\nAlso made a whole lot of friends doing it.\nso yes the money was a nice added bonus but the decentralized nature of being able to support something you like interests me way more", "Sure, look into https://all-access.wax.io/dashboard WAX blockchain has a ton of the good projects.\n\nit's a carbon neutral chain, I won't point you at specific projects so as not to bias your judgement or seem like a shill.", "Do you really want every transaction you make to be publicly available for data analytics? The video in the OP argues extremely strongly that this is not something anybody wants.", "Just go through the thread. Any rational discussion is being downvoted. That's a fact. And that's all I was pointing out in that particular comment. \nRead all my comments from the last few days, I've been trying to engage in rational conversation the whole time. But it's pretty obvious when people don't want to engage in it. \n\nLet's discuss it. I'm all ears. I assume that you are anti NFT because you're jumping down my throat? What are your reasons for not liking this technology?", "I like bees, she doesn't, so obviously she should re-evaluate. They don't look scary in your photos, just weird.", "I try to change the way people perceive critters by the way that I photograph them.", "Cool :)\n\nYou can also buy prints from Flickr, and since they were bought out by SmugMug the print quality should be pretty good.", "Thanks!\n\nField macro is pretty tough. Too many variables and no way to control all of them.", "No, he's not. The only thing you get when you buy an NFT is a resource locator. Hopefully that will change in the future. But as is NFTs are the wrong solution to the issue of digital assets.", "Do yourself a favor and watch the whole video. As a content creator there are aspects of NFTs that I like, but in its current state is really does not work, and raises a lot of concerns.", "You can also toggle this setting in about:config to false\n\n dom.event.contextmenu.enabled", "How do you verify that the software on GitHub is the one running on the actual machine in front of you, and not a modified version?", "Ownership has become a little less concentrated; but that's mostly by many smaller people trying to get rich quick, not by people being invested in the systems themselves. Many people are willing to sell their stake for a little profit, to any anonymous buyer. At least with the current system we know who owns what and can hold them legally accountable.", "> But of course, someone else could obtain another certificate (a different one) that points to the same object, and also claim that it is authentic.\n\nThis is the one thing they actually do, they show \"ownership\"(but not copyright) which is verifiable via the blockchain if you actually do a proper transaction.\n\nThe only function they could have is transfer of digital art, but that's only if the art community decides they're willing to pay money for NFT \"ownership\" with zero copyright claim.\n\nIf Banksy does one people will pay for it even though it's still a load of hogwash.\n\nAlso the link he's talking about is an IPFS link which is different than a traditional hyperlink. IPFS works not with addresses to servers but instead file hashes. So this IPFS \"link\" here is actually a hash of the file as represented on the IPFS network, so you could have the file on your PC, hash the file and it would match this ipfs address.\n\nSo in the case of IPFS links, no you can't just switch it to a picture of a rug because that would give you a different file hash. The interviewee does not understand this. But yes in the case of Google Drive links well, LOL.\n\nI'm not pro-NFT, I'm pro good information lol", "What food? Sushi? Hamburgers? Tacos? Each has a different value depending on the person you ask. And if you were to ask somebody who was going on a hunger strike, those foods might even have zero value", "ok. it make sense.", "That requires a trusted third party (eg the government), which ruins the entire point of using blockchain, which is a mechanism for achieving consensus without trusted third parties.\n\nAnd yeah some might just say \"don't use blockchain then\", which goes back to my previous point: you may not value an arbitrary definition of \"ownership\" on a trustless decentralized network, but other people do.", "It can be look at as one giant torrent. It's nice to see someone who understands IPFS.", "I mean similar to torrents you can \"re-seed\" that file on the IPFS network if you have the file stored elsewhere, but it has to be exactly the same file byte-for-byte otherwise the file hash on the network will not be the same.", "What negativity? I’m just stating facts from observing what NFTs seem to be to me.\n\nAnd what I mean by ‘scam’ is that in your example you’re just trading one corporate master for another. The old master was whoever rented you digital content, the new master are the VCs and tech companies giving you all the digital tools operate ‘decentralized’ software on their very much centralized products and servers. (Centralized ownership.)\n\nI don’t hate NFTs or anything I just don’t really see a difference when it comes to ownership of the platforms all these systems run on.\n\nBut I could be wrong so I’m willing to hear different explanations", "This level of “ownership” will never get anything but “trust me, bro” then.\n\nThat is why it’s just unreliable system by design: untrustworthy platforms with untrustworthy sellers.\n\nPretty much the definition of scam.", "You do a great job on that! That bee's tongue looks like something steampunked", "Type of food is irrelevant. The food itself has the definite value, regardless of the type. Food value is in the sustaining your life.\n\nHunger strike it a temporary measure, which doesn’t affect the value of the food, because it’s still the necessity to sustain the live of everything living and hunger strikes are exceptions, not rules.", "Some [artists aren't putting out](https://futurism.com/the-byte/artist-stealing-nfts) any more work because it's just being sold as an NFT.", "1- Someone trying to understand something and making observations about it that you don’t like are not ‘lies’. Saying I’m lying is saying I believe what you believe and I’m deliberately misleading people. I don’t believe what you believe about NFTs and I only articulated why. If I’m wrong, I am willing to be corrected.\n\nThose were just my initial thoughts.\n\n2- I’ve been in tech long enough to be a part of the earliest days of crypto pre-2013.\n\nNothing anyone has said about NFTs has convinced me that it’s solving any real problem beyond gaming and digital collectibles. Are NFTs a cool innovation that moves that space forward? 100% yes. But that doesn’t mean they solve all problems and it doesn’t mean they will ever really grow beyond how they are used right now.\n\nI had similar conversations a decade ago with people who swore just as hard that crypto and blockchain would revolutionize everything. ‘Change the world’ ‘everything will be running on it etc.’\n\nWhile crypto and blockchain are both very popular and have definitely crossed into the mainstream, there is no sign they are replacing anything at scale (yet). Instead they serve niche communities (currency speculators) and fringe use cases (international money transfer). Great. Nothing wrong with any of that. \n\nThese tools did ‘change the world’ in a way. They did it by doing something new, but they didn’t change the world by replacing any of the old systems that came before. For example, money transfer by crypto hasn’t even put a dent in money transfer by wire, ACH or traditional money transfer/telex. The two still exist side by side. \n\nI personally have heard no argument about NFTs that has me convinced it’ll be any different. It’ll serve a niche (even if that niche is millions of people globally) and offer some new things to the world - specifically in gaming and in digital art.\n\nHowever it’s not replacing anything. Definitely not in areas like law, mortgages, voting etc.\n\nIn order for these types of crypto solutions to replace what already works, end to end it all needs to be faster and cheaper than all the alternative ways of doing those things.\n\nThis requires more innovations around energy (to offset the insane costs of mining) and more innovations around information transfer (to speed up registering transactions on a decentralized network).\n\nUntil then the biggest weakness to everything crypto is that there are faster, more efficient, and cheaper ways to do anything it all could be used for.", "If I were to ask people about the value of a specific NFT, that would be akin to asking people the value of a specific food, not food in general.\n\nAnd in terms of \"temporary measures\", value is also a function of time and current state. I value food when I'm hungry, and not as much when I'm full. And maybe in 5 years my metabolism will slow down and I won't need to eat as much.", "Every system requires people to buy into the system for it to work. Democracy would fail if nobody believed in it and cared about it.", "Er… No. If you have no clue how society works, then better don’t talk about it.", "The value of the food is not artificial. You won’t survive without the food.\n\nThe value of the NFT is purely artificial. If it disappears, it won’t affect any side of life.\n\nThat’s the difference.", "Hey folks. Happy to answer any questions you may have. Rushed from doing construction work, slopped on a shirt and did that interview. Some minor corrections…\n\nThe 2021 price to store data on the blockchain would be ~71 Gwei at average price ETH $4,044. Means $183.75/KB or ~$192,685,000 per GB. \n\nIndeed NFTs can be keys that that can unlock experiences but this isn’t the case with 99.99% of them out there right now. Especially what is found on opensea / minted on their contract. Rather than focus on “futures” (plenty of crypto hype videos for that) I’m focusing on right now…\n\nIPFS is indeed immutable but it doesn’t mean the treasure (art) will always exist at that destination (topics of link rot).", ">\tThere is no potential beyond lame cash grabs. The blockchain has been around for over a decade and no one has found a good use for it yet.", "Essentially, yes. Working with https://www.bunnings.com.au/sika-310ml-sikaflex-221-black-all-purpose-sealant_p1213218 and brown paint before the interview doing construction work. Idk if you have ever done painting or work with Sikaflex but that shit goes everywhere and it’s impossible to clean off. Even with mineral turps.", "Soon", "There’s no way to remove it. It’s on the blockchain forever.", "Completely subjective opinion, zero sources . That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.", "Ya know what? I'm gonna do that. It's still going on my wall though.", "There are onchain ART NFTs but they are exceedingly rare. The focus is the primary mass usecase right now. PFPs minted on open sea.", "There is no utility right now in 99.9% of tokens. What’s the point?", "Indeed", "All you have to do it provide one practical way the blockchain is used today and you win!", "I think you would like it as I think this photographer does it the same way you do, but you would know better than I.\n\n\"Taking refuge from the coronavirus pandemic, wildlife filmmaker Martin Dohrn set out to record all the bees he could find in his tiny urban garden in Bristol, England, filming them with one-of-a-kind lenses he forged on his kitchen table. See his surprising discoveries in My Garden of a Thousand Bees, premiering nationwide Wednesday, October 20 at 8 p.m. ET on PBS (check local listings), [pbs.org/nature](http://pbs.org/nature) and the [PBS Video app](https://www.pbs.org/pbs-video-app/).\"", "Behind the Bastards did a 2 parter on crypto and NFTs. Worth a listen.\n\nAfter I heard both episodes I got rid of all my crypto holdings.", "It was your assertion that it's not useful, you have the burden of proof. I don't care if you don't need blockchain in your life. In fact, you're probably very lucky and privileged if you don't need it. So good for you.", "hurr durr. You quoted what I said about Christies above, then point out that the average digital art collector isn't necessarily someone who understands the wider market and history of art. \n\nNice job, intentionally trying to not understand what I'm saying.", "I think the thing you NFT types miss is that the signature is not a mere indicator of authenticity. It's part of the work. Micky Mantle spent time perfecting the way he wanted his signature to look. Its value is intrinsic to the fact he produced it personally and with artistic intent, rather than just using a cryptographic algorithm.\n\nIf a baseball player took some photos of baseball cards and uploaded them to IPFS and then sold some NFTs attesting ownership over those particular addresses, what has the baseball player actually contributed to the value proposition here? Do you even know if they uploaded and signed it themselves? It could just as easily been some intern working for their agent.\n\nIn which case, what is this thing you have just purchased? It's just a signed token pointing to an address of a photo of a baseball card. A photo taken and uploaded by someone acting as an agent for the person featured in the card, perhaps, but the card has no intrinsic link to the player beyond that.", "Not all chains do. For instance Tezos is not energy intensive.", "No. Ethereum and Bitcoin do, but crypto is more than those chains.", "There is no crypto middle man. You transact directly with the buyer. Patreon is literally a middle man.", "People will always naysay what they don't understand. The get rich quick thing is just a narrative pushed to keep people using the status quo. Unfortunately the average person is buying it. Just like they buy the whole \"crypto and NFTs drive climate change.\" When there are a lot of crypto chains out there which are not energy intensive. It's all just narrative pushing.", "https://ycharts.com/indicators/ethereum_average_transaction_fee", ">\t intentionally trying to not understand what I'm saying.\n\nHave you considered that it's not intentional - you just have no idea how to express yourself in plain fucking English?", "ETH is trash (like any VC pumped garbage project). Network transaction fees are not an example of a middle man though.\n\n$3 for a transaction is flat out stupid.", "NFT = Tulip Bobble/Mania of the year 2021/2022\n\nThe technology (block chain) is kinda useful, but why NFT?\n\nThe rich buy expenses arts not because they think it is valuable, but because they want it to have a high value. With a high value art, they can donate to a museum (included they own private museum) and it is TAX DEDUCTIBLE and have tax incentives. So the buy this to pay less taxes.", "People are throwing they life savings, a significant part of their salaries.\n\nIt is an insanity, pure scam.\n\nPeople dont understand statistics, its not because 1 person went rich that you will too.\n\nProbably that 1 person went rich because other thing they will get rich and bid higher prices to something that one person have OR buy it online course.", "did you not watch the interview bro?", "What happens when CP ends up on the blockchain?", "https://discord.gg/cKdU3jPDdm", "NFTs are just keys you can securely exchange/sell/buy. This can be very useful for example if the NFT grants access to a certain contract or to another system or whatever else you can program to do something based on if you own the NFT or not (i.e. suppose you're accessing a lock somewhere that only opens if you own the nft associated with it, the NFT can change owner, so as long as you have a key that owns the nft, you can open the lock. If you sell the NFT, you can no longer access the lock, but the new owner can, and you didn't even need to change anything on the lock itself). As more and more things are automated or have some kind of software as a part of it, this can become more and more useful, and it seill remains decentralized, with all the pros and cons that entails.", ">My Garden of a Thousand Bees\n\nI don't have PBS, but I took a look at the trailer on YouTube and it looked pretty good.", "Excellent :)", "Thanks!", "I just screenshotted your NFT.\n\nYou may be concerned about this. In case you are, please read the below:\n\nFAQ:\n\nWhy did you screenshot my NFT?\n\nI'm not going to tell you.\n\nDid you screenshot anybody else's NFTs?\n\nYou could say I am screenshotting everybody's NFTs, but in the case I am telling you that I screenshotted your NFT.\n\nHow are you screenshotting my NFTs?\n\nI screenshot when you post them on your profile.\n\nWhat are you planning to do with my NFTs?\n\nHave them all.\n\nWhat do I do about you screenshotting my NFTs?\n\nThere's nothing you can do.\n\nWhen are you going to stop screenshotting my NFTs?\n\nYou cannot escape me.\n\nDo I call the police?\n\nNo. The authorities will not help you.\n\nWhat are the consequences of you screenshotting my NFTs?\n\nBe aware.\n\nWhat if I am ok with you screenshotting my NFTs?\n\nI will make sure you’re not.\n\nIf there are any more questions then please consult your NFT wallet by directly speaking to it.\n\nSummary:\n\nI am screenshotting your NFTs.", "We knew you were up to something wholesome. All love, my friend. Keep up the good fight.", "I understand fully how they work. But blockchain technology bust be served to the web by companies that are centralized. That’s the point.\n\nHow do you access the web itself? Comcast? ATT?\n\nWho hosts the tech for various wallets, exchanges and mining companies? AWS? Cloudflare? \n\nWho do you use to transfer fiat into crypto? Coinbase? Binance.US? \n\nWho made your modem? \n\nYour laptop?\n\nYour phone?\n\nWhile the software itself is decentralized, everything that enables it is not.", "that's a bit debatable", "It's not that complicated of a concept, and I tried to make it easy for you to understand. Sorry that you don't get it though.", "I'm not an \"NFT type\". I think art NFTs are pretty stupid and I would never buy one for more than pocket change, but I also think the idea of signed books and signed baseball cards going for thousands or tens of thousands of dollars is equally as arbitrary and stupid.\n\nWe live in a day and age where people are paying $30 for gamer girl bathwater. The hard truth is that value is completely subjective and two people on Reddit can't make a statement about what \"should\" have value to other people. In economics, the two requirements for something to have value are (1) someone wants it, for any reason, and (2) there isn't an infinite supply of the thing.\n\nWhen you own something that was physically signed by an artist, the whole experience is an exercise in imagination anyways. The signature doesn't do anything besides sit on the paper. You have to create the value yourself by imagining how the artist's hand produced that mark, and imagining how friends and strangers will react when you show it off and force them to imagine it too. The signature is only valuable because of the subjective experience it allows you to create in your imagination.\n\n> If a baseball player took some photos of baseball cards and uploaded them to IPFS and then sold some NFTs attesting ownership over those particular addresses, what has the baseball player actually contributed to the value proposition here?\n\nTheir endorsement of something that's in limited supply.\n\n> Do you even know if they uploaded and signed it themselves? It could just as easily been some intern working for their agent.\n\nThe player endorsed the signature, endorsements are in limited supply, and someone out there wants an officially endorsed NFT, therefore some point on the supply demand curve. It's all subjective.\n\n> In which case, what is this thing you have just purchased? It's just a signed token pointing to an address of a photo of a baseball card. A photo taken and uploaded by someone acting as an agent for the person featured in the card, perhaps, but the card has no intrinsic link to the player beyond that.\n\nThe intrinsic link to the player is the player's official endorsement of the collection.", "> Having someone fraudulently claim ownership of their work can hurt their public legitimacy as an artist\n\nOnly if people actually take the ownership claim NFTs provide seriously. Does anyone outside of a fringe group of misguided futurists?\n\n> This violates the rights of the artist to decide what medium and platforms their art is displayed on. It could in fact be a great violation of their principles to be hosted on a system they do not approve of, for example.\n\nYou give that up once you post it online. Certainly you lose the ability to stop anyone from using it for noncommercial purposes no matter how much you may disagree with it.", "Oh god 😂", "> Only if people actually take the ownership claim NFTs provide seriously. Does anyone outside of a fringe group of misguided futurists?\n\nRelevant if you ever want to sell to those people in the future.\n\n> You give that up once you post it online. Certainly you lose the ability to stop anyone from using it for noncommercial purposes no matter how much you may disagree with it.\n\nWe're explicitly talking about commercial copyright infringement, and \"it doesn't count because I found it on google images\" has yet to pass off as fair use when it comes to reselling someone's art without permission.", "You're wasting your time with this clown, check his comment history.", "I think that would be a much better solution than what’s happening now. That would allow you to store the file wherever you wanted and always be able to pair the NFT ownership certificate with the file itself.\n\nThe other idea would be to put the actual image file data itself on the blockchain but that would be both a lot of storage and potentially open up a lot of new risks (you have an immutable NFT on the blockchain with an image of illegal content, what do you do?). A hash would make sense to me.", "That’s right, keep the angry comments coming 😀", "Nice! Let’s have another one!", "You are correct that if the NBA decides to abandon topshot, all you'll have is a blockchain number. I would consider this a \"destruction risk\" similar to the risk you undertake with a physical card that it gets lost or damaged/destroyed in some way. Those destruction risks are absolutely a relevant factor for pricing and participating in any market and you are right to point them out for NFTs. I have confidence that the NBA will stand behind these licensed-NFTs but much like buying a warranty from a company, that warranty is only as good as the company you're buying it from. Buyer beware!", "I'm a lawyer. This is character evidence. I was confused about your hostility and vitriol given that I hadn't said anything to deserve that tone. My conclusion was I'm probably dealing with an angsty teen or someone who uses this website to seethe and emote. One quick look at your comment history confirmed my view. You get told daily on this site that you're being an unnecessarily angry and combative person.\n\nWhat's funny is that the entire basis of your tone is your misguided belief that I'm encouraging other people to invest in NFTs. I am not. I admit it's a highly speculative market and I collect NBA NFTs for fun, not because I'm trying to get rich. I'm happy to tell you why your hobbies won't get you rich either, but I don't know what good that will do. \n\nI wonder whether you believe your own story that you're only rude to people who are rude to you? Let this conversation erase any doubt. I hope you find peace with yourself and others.", "Do you believe art has value? If so, who decides its value?", "Nice counterargument bud", "You’re babbling again.", "lmao what? what amount of paper is actually burned per nft?\n\ni literally get paper as a receipt.\n\njfc i’m not down with nfts but that’s dumb af.\n\nnfts aren’t all eth.\n\ncheck out voice nfts. carbon offset even.", "Near the end of my high school senior year, those silly bandz things that look like dinosaurs or animals were the last thing that I remembered getting banned at school. Before that it was Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Beyblades from what I can recall. There might have been more stuff, but I can't remember.", "Good point.", "Because you don’t understand basics of how the society operates. You know, legal system, supply/demand system, all that.\n\nYou just don’t understand the processes you’re trying talking about.", "Well i was generalizing because most people here didn't seem to know much about blockchain stuff. The energy consumption of Binance Smart Chain is very low. Ethereum 2.0 will be very low\n\n>Ethereum's energy usage will soon decrease by ~99.95%\n\nhttps://blog.ethereum.org/2021/05/18/country-power-no-more\n\n>The consumption rates of PoS-based systems are moderate and thus also much closer to the figures for traditional, centralized payment systems such as VisaNet\n\nhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2109.03667\n\nFrom your london study too, they say the amount of energy is relative to the number of validators\n\n>The researchers attribute the differences between the different technologies mainly to the number of validators\n\nEthereum 2.0 has 200,000 validators. Binance Smart Chain which has more than the number of transations of Ethereum 2.0, Ethereum 1.0 and Bitcoin combined, has 21 validators. Essentially the most used blockchain by far has hardly any validators\n\nEdit: Also, you're comparing sending a single email to the energy consumption of an entire blockchain. I was using an email as an analogy to sending a single transaction on a blockchain", "It has technical and psychological value. Humans are naturally drawn to create art in many forms of it.\n\nNFT will never be that.", "i watched it twice. The second time to get the timestamp of where Geoffrey says that some NFTs have copyrights because some people here were saying NFTs don't have copyrights", "That's not a counterargument, that's an assumption. I said that systems require people to buy into them and follow the rules for them to work. Please provide a counterargument.", "Humans are also naturally drawn to be unique, and to own things that are unique\n\nEdit: Also you didn't answer the question. Who decides this \"technological\" and \"psychological\" value you speak of. Surely not every art piece has the same value", ">you're comparing sending a single email to the energy consumption of an entire blockchain\n\nUh... no I wasn't? I was specifically using the energy cost per tx. \n\nAs for Binance, you haven't provided any information on how much energy it uses and I can't find it anywhere, so your claim on validators is useless. And the chain I used as an example, Tezos, only has 382 active validators. So even if it is a perfectly direct correlation and Binance's energy usage is 21/382nds that of Tezos, one tx on Binance would still be 70,000 times more energy than sending an email. Sending an email uses such a negligible amount of electricity that it's almost irrelevant, because zero computations have to be made to send an email.\n\nAnd you're also ignoring the fact that Binance's centralized validators chosen by the people who own Binance makes it extremely dangerous and very susceptible to manipulation, negating the whole point of the verification when the entire chain is controlled by a tiny handful of people.", ">\tAlso you didn't answer the question. Who decides this \"technological\" and \"psychological\" value you speak of. Surely not every art piece has the same value\n\nI did answer that question. You simply don’t understand the concept of value.\n\nOf course they don’t have the same value. No one said they did.", "That would be an assumption, if we didn’t have the facts, such as: \n-\tNFT can’t be legally protected, \n-\tNFT can’t prove anything aside from owning the token you paid for,\n-\tNFT grant no proof of rights for the minted object (as it has to be legally recognized, which will never be an option for the NFT, unless it becomes centralized),\n-\tNFT has no use without the centralized systems (like banks and money),\n-\tNFT is objectively unreliable and has no application outside the system.\n\nFor things to have objective value, they have to be within the centralized system. Without the centralized systems you can’t even use the NFT.\n\nThere are a fair amount of requirements, before something obtains the value. NFT can’t become that by its design.\n\nYou can collect the river stones, but they can’t get you shit outside of laying in the box, collecting the dust.\nStones are the NFT, the box is the wallet.", "Negligible tx fees on cosmos, zero on Osmosis labs, bitsong will be the major music nft platform and its on Cosmos so the gas fees will be pennies.", "Lol.", "First off, nobody was arguing about the legal attributes of NFTs. We are all aware that NFTs have no legal power.\n\n> For things to have objective value, they have to be within the centralized system\n\nWhich centralized system? Every country has their own system. The blockchain itself is a system, a central record created through the consensus of decentralized actors.\n\nNot to mention, river stones can have \"value\" if somebody wants them and is willing to trade for them. Seashells were one of the first currencies in fact. But you could say the same for things like pokemon cards or signed baseballs. You may not care for them, but somebody else might", "You said that people are naturally drawn to create art, but not everybody is creating art. The majority of people consume it, purchase it. If the only value of art was the process of creating it, then people would not purchase the finished piece. So clearly you are missing something in your definition of the value of art", "Do you realize that you just answered your own question and contradicted your previous statements?", ">\tFirst off, nobody was arguing about the legal attributes of NFTs. We are all aware that NFTs have no legal power.\n\nSo… What is YOUR point then? NFT being unreliable is already the reason enough to not consider using it.\n\n>\tWhich centralized system?\n\nLiterally any social system. I already mentioned that.\n\n>\tNot to mention, river stones can have \"value\" if somebody wants them and is willing to trade for them.\n\nIt sounds sweet and cute until you need to buy food and realize that what you call the “currency” is not a currency for others around you, because the system outside from your little decentralized circle doesn’t recognize you little decentralized circle.\n\n>\tBut you could say the same for things like pokemon cards or signed baseballs.\n\nNo, you can’t. Because those are within the centralized system, are the intellectual property (since the ball itself doesn’t matter, the signature does), protected by law, etc., etc. Make a business copying those and you’ll get rightfully sued and screwed in no time. Their value is in being legally protected at the very least.", "My point is that just because you don't value those NFTs, doesn't mean other people shouldn't value them either. It's up to each person to decide whether they think some notion of \"digital ownership\" on the blockchain is worth their money. Simple as that.\n\nAnd blockchain _is_ a social system. It's powered by people running validation nodes on their servers. And digitally run systems are very common nowadays.\n\nYes NFTs aren't protected by copyright. But they don't need to be. They're already protected by the blockchain. An NFT is about the artwork _and_ the certificate on the blockchain (just like how a signed baseball has the baseball and the signature). Without the certificate on the blockchain, it wouldn't be an NFT, it would just be a piece of digital art. And while that piece of artwork is protected by copyright, the certificate on the blockchain is protected by the rules of the blockchain itself. You cannot duplicate that certificate.\n\nAnd I know you clearly don't value or care about those certificates. Just like how I don't care about signatures on baseballs. But just because I don't care doesn't make it a \"scam\".", "How so?", ">\tIt's up to each person to decide whether they think some notion of \"digital ownership\" on the blockchain is worth their money. \n\nThe point is it’s not the ownership. It’s a pretend game.\n\n>\tAnd blockchain is a social system. It's powered by people running validation nodes on their servers.\n\nYou went off here. We are talking about centralized systems. Anything outside of that can’t be commonly used. NFT is designed with this inability to be commonly used.\n\n>\tYes NFTs aren't protected by copyright. But they don't need to be. They're already protected by the blockchain. An NFT is about the artwork and the certificate on the blockchain (just like how a signed baseball has the baseball and the signature). Without the certificate on the blockchain, it wouldn't be an NFT, it would just be a piece of digital art.\n\nThis certificate means nothing in the real world though. That’s the point. It’s like me authorizing you to own a star. It’s the same level of nothing. Protection by the blockchain also means nothing, since it only process the token itself and nothing else, making the token itself… Just meaningless.\n\n>\tYou cannot duplicate that certificate.\n\nYeah. Also there’s no need to duplicate something, that can’t be used in any sensible way. This certificate has no utility, no legal power, nothing. Just like those certificates about owning a star. Just a piece of paper, confirming nothing. And even if your name is in the database of the “star owners”, you still don’t own any. Same goes for the NFT. Play pretend.\n\n>\tAnd I know you clearly don't value or care about those certificates. Just like how I don't care about signatures on baseballs. But just because I don't care doesn't make it a \"scam\".\n\nSure. What makes it a scam is the fact that every platform is currently hosting NFTs created from stolen IP, ignoring the rights claims and supporting the thieves instead of the creators. The system is designed this way and one of its key-points is disregarding the law, rights, etc.\n\nAnother thing that makes it a scam, is the participants lying about the ownership. Being uneducated and not knowing the requirements for it. Since this certificate can’t hold any rights and power by design.\n\nSo it’s not the scam, because I don’t value it. It’s I don’t value it, because it’s scam.", "I just want to make sure I understand it. Does the data stored in the blockchain actually prove in any way that you paid money for that specific artwork? From the video it sounds like they're saying the link stored in the blockchain could be changed to point to anything, and the only thing you're recording in the blockchain is that you 'own' some arbitrary link. \n\nI had assumed that, while the artwork itself may not be stored in the blockchain, you're at least recording the fact that you exchanged something of value for that specific artwork. Like maybe the thing being encoded in the blockchain is a hash or certificate that can be referenced against the artwork. Which is useless enough on its own, but if you're just buying a link that could in the future point to something different, that's extra dumb.", "/me glances at grandma on the oxygen tank. Yeah, heh, dumb oxygen in tubes.\n\n(Just a joke)", "Apologies, you were comparing a single transaction, i missed the /tx bit and was just looking at the 1.2million value. \n\nBinance Smart Chain has 21 validators\n\nhttps://bscscan.com/validatorset/snapshot/13761786\n\nThis example works out to 0.000008 kW/h per transaction for algorand with 4000 validators\n\nhttps://www.algorand.com/resources/blog/sustainable-blockchain-calculating-the-carbon-footprint\n\nThis website says 15g of Co2 for a 10MB email, which would be 0.75g for a 500kB email, which is about 0.004kW/h using a Co2 to kW/h converter. So a single email is 500x more energy than a single transaction on Algorand\n\nhttps://www.helixee.me/the-ecological-impact-of-e-mails\n\nThere's 2.4 billion emails sent every second too\n\nhttps://techjury.net/blog/how-many-emails-are-sent-per-day\n\nBinance smart chain has about 70 transactions per second. Here's a single block on BSC with 217 transactions in 3 seconds\n\nhttps://bscscan.com/block/13761804\n\nThere's about 135 blockchains right now. So even if you assumed every blockchain was doing 70 tx/s (they're not) it would be about 9500 tx/s\n\nhttps://coinmarketcap.com/view/smart-contracts\n\nThe other thing is emails, like the ones on outlook online, use geo-redundancy. They're stored it multiple data centres. Sending one email doesn't result in sending one request, or even one request with multiple hops. Your examples and mine look at only the email and none of the other energy used in moving the data around the various data centres. Microsoft is likely using an eventual consistency model so there's less data transfer than strong consistency but the data is still stored in multiple data centres and there's several requests involved in synchronizing them between data centres, spam/phishing parsing, saving attachments to a separate blob storage and parsing of those attachments for viruses etc, duplications for redundancy or anything like that. Just opening Outlook in my browser loads 22MB of data before i've even done anything too, i checked in chrome devtools\n\nBinance doesn't choose who gets to run a validator, anyone can run one, it's the 21 validators with the highest stake within a 24 hour period that make up the current validator set. So there's technically more than 21, but not that many more because there's not much point in running one without a lot of money. You can see the various companies, non-binance related companies, running the validators here. I'm fairly certain binance owns 2 of them\n\nhttps://bscscan.com/validatorset/snapshot/13761786\n\nEdit: another link on BSC validators https://docs.binance.org/smart-chain/validator/overview.html", "Do you have any idea what the upkeep is on a bridge? No thank you!", "What makes blockchain any more of a \"pretend game\" than, say, the financial system of Monaco, which has a smaller population than the bitcoin network?\n\nAnd if people want to care about \"owning\" a star (according to some random database), or a signature on a baseball, or a shiny pokemon card, there's nothing wrong about that. That doesn't make it a scam. People put real money into video games, if that's what they care about.\n\nThat doesn't mean there aren't scammers out there. Yes there are people who steal art and mint them as NFTs. But there are also plenty of legitimate NFTs, like Beeple's NFTs. If somebody wants to have a certificate on the blockchain declaring them the owner of Beeple's NFT, how is that a scam?", "Always be rambling, eh?", "My friends tried to stop me but they couldn't, so they left.\n\nMy wife's going on a trip with her boyfriend again this year, so it's just gonna be me and the stuffed animals (and the NFTs everyone apparently thinks I own).\n\nHappy Holidays!", "So then why are they using btc or eth, then??? If it's not private at layer 1 like Dero or Monero or Pirate, it's not actually private. \n\nThe governments have a lot more to fear existing on a public blockchain than we do. They hate truth.", ">\tWhat makes blockchain any more of a \"pretend game\" than, say, the financial system of Monaco, which has a smaller population than the bitcoin network?\n\nCentralization makes it. It’s within the world’s financial system and is interchangeable. Blockchain is not, as it’s designed to not be that.\n\nNot to mention that any country’s financial system is supported by physical assets and production, which reliably defines the value of the currency and size/value of the system.\n\nBlockchain is only supported by the hype. It’s unreliable by design.\n\n>\tAnd if people want to care about \"owning\" a star (according to some random database), or a signature on a baseball, or a shiny pokemon card, there's nothing wrong about that. That doesn't make it a scam. People put real money into video games, if that's what they care about.\n\nThat is the difference between the scam and legitimate purchase. When you legitimately purchase something, you receive certain rights for it. When you are getting scammed - you don’t. In case of the NFT - you don’t get any rights, as the entire thing is outside of the legal system and not protected by it.\n\n>\tIf somebody wants to have a certificate on the blockchain declaring them the owner of Beeple's NFT, how is that a scam?\n\nScam is not in owning the NFT. Scam is in claiming, that owning NFT grants you anything aside from owning the token. So when people say that you can purchase physical or digital property by buying the NFT - that’s a lie. Through the NFT you can’t own anything but token itself. Because to own anything else NFT should follow the centralized systems, such as legal. Which counters the whole idea of the NFT.\n\nUsing such lies to make people believe that this certificate proves anything - that is precisely what scammers do because of the reasons stated above.\n\nNFT can’t be used to prove the ownership/rights on anything but the token itself.\n\nEven the Public Offer Agreement has more legal power than NFT. And that itself speaks volumes.\n\nEdit: to add some salt to the wound, since the blockchain is outside of the legal system, buying the token doesn’t make you its owner, but holder instead. Since there’s no law to recognize the transaction within the decentralized system and to transfer the the ownership.\n\nSo yeah, here you go. In reality it’s even worse than even I think it is.", "I cant remmeber\n\nI believe wyoming or something \n\nVitalik even wrote a whitepaper on it\n\n\nNo idea why im being downvoted for facts lol", "That sucks, I'm sorry! I hope you can make the best of it. Happy Holidays!", "wow", "Better to sell yourself once, than daily on OnlyFans. virginity4crypto", "> Scam is not in owning the NFT. Scam is in claiming, that owning NFT grants you anything aside from owning the token. So when people say that you can purchase physical or digital property by buying the NFT - that’s a lie.\n\nI think you are either taking things out of context or misunderstanding things. When people say NFTs can be used for land deeds and such, they are talking about the _potential_. Obviously in order for this to actually happen, NFTs would need to be interoperable with existing systems, and would need to gain legal status.\n\nRight now the NFT marketplace is purely for trading and purchasing the certificate on the blockchain. Nothing more. Some people think that alone is worth money. But that's not for me to judge", ">\tObviously in order for this to actually happen, NFTs would need to be interoperable with existing systems, and would need to gain legal status.\n\nYes. But this would undermine the “decentralized” idea of the blockchain.", "The amount of resources it would take to do a 51% attack make it seemingly impossible. The attacker would need to match the current processing power of resources that the blockchain uses, so they'd need 3.1 million nodes of their own, which is theoretically possible, but practically extremely unlikely unless you are a country with a lot of disposable income. Even after an attack were to happen, the blockchain can just be forked to match the correct version.", "A string is an immutable datatype in java, but not in c, by your logic neither are immutable because they're gone when the sun blows up lol", "Dropping a variable when the program shuts down isn't the same as, \"under these conditions someone can change it\".", "Bitcoin only has value bc ppl say it does. The fact that know it all Redditors are so anti nft makes me think it's the future lol", "Why do you need crypto for this scheme?", "Looking for a free mint check out this page I found with some 🔥🔥🔥 apes you can grab https://discord.gg/uFvVutgJ", "Frankly? Yeah lmao \n \nI mean like, I get the logic- and why we're never going to get rid of something that huge at this point, but it too has lot all meaning, and even made business's far worse. \n \nIdeally, the stock market is to help new business's and business ideas. I open a store to sell phones, someone says my products great, buys up my stocks and now I have a ton of money to invest in my business- and he gets to benefit as well, pretty much making a bet that I'll do well and bring him with me into profits. \n \nRealistically, it's become a host of shit ideas and mindless gambling from the uberrich to double and triple their already massive funds in. I mean look at the whole gamestop fiasco- they bet on a business failing, moved to make it fail, and almost made a profit before a bunch of people on the internet threw their money away just to make sure the rich got fucked over. Elon makes a joke and stocks plummet because everything is about looking successful, not being successful or making a good product. It's a joke at this point. \n \nIt's also why business's keep doing garbage that looks good on paper, but fuck everything up on the ground- because if something sounds good to investors, that's all the business needs. Sure, product loss makes up for less than 0.5% of the sale's lost from stores, and greeters/reciept checkers are less than worthless at even stopping shoplifters, but they make the policy, hire new people, tell investors it stops shop lifting, and since it looks good on paper- Walmart and Kirkland get a huge bump in stocks.", "What you're describing is a fringe case in the NFT world. \n\n\nWhat happens far more often are thousands of people buying into a project early, it gains some traction in a week, then they sell for a 2-5x. They rinse and repeat this process with projects that they feel have potential. \n\n\nYes, there are quite a few scams, but if you know what you look for you can avoid 99% of them. Esp if you only buy from Verified collections.", "goats", "Immutable doesn't really mean impossible to change under all circumstances. You can change a Java immutable string using a hex editor for example. It more means that under normal operating conditions it can't be changed", "Maybe I should have used the word \"ownership\" instead of \"rights\" because the law around NFT rights hasn't been created yet. The NFT standard says\n\n>NFTs can represent ownership over digital or physical assets\n\nhttps://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-721", "Maybe I should have used the word \"ownership\" instead of \"rights\" because the law around NFT rights hasn't been created yet. The NFT standard says\n\n>NFTs can represent ownership over digital or physical assets\n \nhttps://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-721\n\nSomebody buying an NFT should also be checking the NFT is legitimate. Checking who the artist is, their other works, if they have a website or not, ideally buying the NFT from the artists website, even trying to contact them to confirm legitimacy etc. The NFT creator could embed some kind of verification code into the NFT if they wanted to. When the law is implemented i imagine it will be something like someone selling someone elses house when they don't actually own it, similar kind of fraud\n\nhttps://www.hg.org/legal-articles/house-sale-through-fraud-49141", "My problem with it is how it's currently being done. Maybe it'll change, maybe there's no way to change it. The way I see it, no matter how you obtain an NFT, you are never actually in possession of the original.\n\nUsing artwork as an example, the first option is to have a very low resolution piece of artwork, low enough that you can encode it on-chain. So the original artist has this image file, and then when they create the NFT, the image is encoded on the chain. When you buy the NFT, you actually have the image as the encoding, and you can decode it and view the file, but it's not the original image that the artist created, they still have that file.\n\nThe other, very common option is when someone makes an NFT, it's just a link to a place where the image is stored. Like a google drive. So when you buy the NFT, all you're buying is a url. That image is being hosted somewhere, so if you want to view the image that you bought, you will be downloading a copy of it, which is identical to a copy that someone would have from just downloading the file without buying the NFT.\n\nIn the majority of the situations, the NFT itself is the \"verification code\". It's real use case is a digital receipt. But we've been doing that with public/private keys, and other cryptography for 40 years now, without needing to expend gigantic amounts of energy on the blockchain.\n\nSo I don't see a point as it currently is. The entire thing can be distilled into paying for a url, and any digital asset you buy will be a copy of the original.", "So… NFT + copyright = same level of protection as a copyright\n\nSo The NFT system is entirely useless lmao", ">\tYou’re wrong. People care enough to pay millions of dollars.\n\nRather than prove your point, I think you just disproved the fallacy that price = value. \n\nNFTs are intrinsically worthless. There is no utility in a shitty monkey drawing. People buy it for one reason and that’s because they think the price will go up. There is only one “legitimate” use for them and that is money laundering, just like the fine art market.", "> NFTs are intrinsically worthless. There is no utility in a shitty monkey drawing\n\nYou can say that about any painting.", "Yes. You could. Which is why art cannot be valued objectively in a dollar amount and it's pointless to try. \n\nIf your argument is that NFTs are \"just as good as\" the fine art market that exists almost entirely for money laundering then it's a self-defeating argument.\n\nDid you buy NFTs or something bro? Learn more about how NFTs work. They are a full-on scam. You're not paying for the image, you're paying for a key that decodes a hyperlink on the blockchain. It can go down at any second and leave you with a very expensive 404 error. It's a terrible and worthless form of asset to \"invest\" in.", "You just defeated your own argument. NFTs are as good as any painting.\n\nI don't own NFTs. So the second part of your ridiculous argument falls apart as well.\n\n>You're not paying for the image, you're paying for a key that decodes a hyperlink on the blockchain\n\nYou still don't understand what NFTs are. The key proves the ownership. The link is public, there's nothing to decode.", ">NFTs are as good as any painting.\n\nhttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong\n\n>I don’t own NFTs. So the second part of your ridiculous argument falls apart as well.\n\nThen why are you so defensive about the most stupid asset bubble since tulip mania\n\n>You still don’t understand what NFTs are.\n\nReally? I'm a web developer. Explain it to me then. If your NFT is subject to link rot then it is worth jack shit no matter how good the \"art\" is.", "Linking to rationalwiki doesn't disprove my statement. You're just /r/iamverysmart material.\n\n> Then why are you so defensive about the most stupid asset bubble since tulip mania\n\nBecause the truth is more important. You can say the same about bitcoins, ethereums, dollars, gold - they are all valued at whatever people are willing to pay for them. NFTs are a new form of art, it's gotten popular. It's not better or worse than any other art.\n\nYou've failed to provide any evidence of money laundering being the dominant factor. Plus there's lots of money laundering in physical paintings, yet you're not foaming at the mouth trying to prove physical paintings are a scam.\n\n> Really? I'm a web developer. Explain it to me then. \n\nGood. I'm a programmer. You generate a private key. That determines your \"wallet\". You can cryptographically prove the ownership of it (by signing a message, for example). The NFT can be transferred between wallets by the owner of the NFT. When you buy an NFT, it's just transferred to your wallet.\n\nContrary to what the dumb video said, NFTs are publicly visible to anyone. Examples:\n\nhttps://hicetnunc.art/objkt/320809\n\nhttps://rarible.com/token/0xc9154424B823b10579895cCBE442d41b9Abd96Ed:98271403037909532126878866376421894068897019867220223342459177156681106720422?tab=details", "The fungibility of money is why it’s useful bro. We’re talking about non-fungible tokens. \n\n>\tIt’s not better or worse than any other art.\n\nRight. So the value of an NFT can only really be judged on its artistic merit. And if you want a copy of digital art you can still right-click it. And if you want to own the rights to the image then the only way to do that is through copyright law since NFTs aren’t legally-binding. \n\nAll of which makes the NFT system 100% meaningless. Unless courts decide to start respecting NFTs as a valid replacement for copyright then there is zero room for NFTs to have a use. If there is an ownership dispute between a copyright owner and an NFT owner who do you think the courts will back? \n\n>\tGood. I’m a programmer. You generate a private key. That determines your “wallet”. You can cryptographically prove the ownership of (by signing a message, for example). The NFT can be transferred between wallets by the owner of the NFT. When you buy an NFT, it’s just transferred to your wallet.\n\nWho is enforcing this ownership? You own an encoded URL, not the actual image. Someone can just mint a new NFT with the exact same jpeg on a different URL and who’s to say they don’t own it now? Nobody. NFTs do not enforce the uniqueness of the image. The NFT movement is 100% investment hype by people who do not understand the technology.", "[https://rarible.com/token/0xB66a603f4cFe17e3D27B87a8BfCaD319856518B8:105395883146866608244033055069966662401208456672143348616262568551684023255041?tab=owners](https://rarible.com/token/0xB66a603f4cFe17e3D27B87a8BfCaD319856518B8:105395883146866608244033055069966662401208456672143348616262568551684023255041?tab=owners) benim nft mede göz atabilirsiniz", "> Right. So the value of an NFT can only really be judged on its artistic merit.\n\nNo. Also on its previous sale price and/or the fame of whoever made it. Just like with the paintings.\n\n> Who is enforcing this ownership? \n\nNobody can stop you from making another NFT from the same image, but it's trivial to prove it's not the original - cryptography, timestamps.\n\nJust like nobody stops you from creating a clone of Mona Lisa, and an average person won't be able to tell the difference.\n\n> Unless courts decide to start respecting NFTs as a valid replacement for copyright then there is zero room for NFTs to have a use.\n\nThe NFTs are there to make the ownership transfer easy, without the involvement of any authorities. \n\nAn NFT can't prove the origin of the art however. That's why if you're serious about buying an expensive NFT, you need to trace it to the original seller and make sure it's the artist or the owner or the system that generated it.\n\n> You own an encoded URL\n\nAgain, you have learned nothing. URL is just to view it. You don't own the URL. You own the cryptographically signed image/video/audio/whatever.\n\nSorry, I won't be replying anymore, you're refusing even to learn the technical parts of NFTs and are repeating the dumb \"encoded URL\" nonsense talking point. That's just pathetic, especially for a web dev.", ">\tNo. Also on its previous sale price and/or the fame of whoever made it. Just like with the paintings.\n\nThe main reason there is a fine art market right now is for money laundering. And if the only use for NFTs right now is money laundering then it’s just retreading old ground. \n\n>\tJust like nobody stops you from creating a clone of Mona Lisa, and an average person won’t be able to tell the difference.\n\nThe thing that prevents you from cloning the Mona Lisa and selling or reproducing it is copyright law. Nobody gives a shit about cryptography and timestamps when legal enforcement is the only kind of enforcement that matters. If the “rights” you are buying are not protected by the law then they are no “rights” at all. Just a fancy crypto token that you waste money on. \n\nNFTs are like a form of copyright that doesn’t protect jack shit and also uses a ton of energy. It is possibly the single most useless thing ever invented. \n\n>\tThe NFTs are there to make the ownership transfer easy, without the involvement of any authorities.\n\nAnd that’s exactly what makes NFTs so useless. State-backed ownership is the only kind of ownership that matters. At the end of the day, all ownership is enforced with violence. \n\n>\tAgain, you have learned nothing. URL is just to view it. You don’t own the URL. You own the cryptographically signed image/video/audio/whatever.\n\nExcept no you don’t! [The image is usually not stored on the blockchain!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token#Storage_off-chain)\n\nDid you really think most NFT images were stored on the actual blockchain? Lmao. Is this a troll or what? If you knew anything about blockchains you'd know how completely fucking stupid it would be to fill it with high-res images.", "Desktop version of /u/ThatOneGuy4321's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token#Storage_off-chain>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "How so? The legal system would just recognize NFTs as a valid certificate. Everything else, like the operation of transferring ownership, validating authenticity, minting, and consensus, would still all be decentralized, vastly reducing the costs and user error involved in trusting third parties and intermediaries.\n\nIn the future as more and more shifts to blockchain, even governance could happen completely on the blockchain (eg look into DAOs). Decentralization is a process, it doesn't need to happen all at once", ">\tHow so? The legal system would just recognize NFTs as a valid certificate. \n\nMinting has to follow the law and require the proof of ownership for it to have even remote chance to be legalized. As at the moment nothing can stop you from minting the stolen object, which is a criminal act. So no, for it to be recognized as “valid”, it has to follow the legal system from the beginning, until the end.\n\n>\tIn the future as more and more shifts to blockchain, even governance could happen completely on the blockchain (eg look into DAOs). Decentralization is a process, it doesn’t need to happen all at once\n\nIt has the same chance of happening, as the zombie apocalypse. I don’t know in what kind of shithole you live, to dream about financially and structurally destroying your government, but in any normal country, the entire infrastructure, social support, etc. is based on the participants, such as businesses and citizens.\n\nSo yeah, you can dream about it, but unless you want to have normal roads, medical help, education and other normal things, your dream is about destroying that all in the long run.", "Have you looked into how DAOs work? They require participation of citizens, just like any other system of governance. Nobody is trying to destroy the government, just change the way it operates. The telephone didn't get rid of social communication, it just use technological means to make it more efficient. The blockchain (and other decentralized technologies behind NFTs and DAOs) are the same way.", ">\tHave you looked into how DAOs work? They require participation of citizens, just like any other system of governance. \n\nYeah. It already exists. You are creating the broken solution, to a broken problem, that you created AND asking people to support this problem and solution to it.\nSo how exactly are you changing ANYTHING by switching from one government(local, global, doesn’t matter) to another?\n\nThat’s why DOA doesn’t make any sense.\n\nYou guys are literally re-creating the exact social model, that exists now, while creating it with massive holes. Why?\n\nWhy you are against using the law but for using the DOA? Both are effectively the same, as being the 3rd party, with the difference, that DOA has no power in anything and can’t hold a digital criminal responsible.\n\nSo, returning to one of the very first questions: how exactly any of it is better? Or even remotely equal? Just because it has the online component to it?\n\n>\tNobody is trying to destroy the government, just change the way it operates.\n\nBy… Slowly copying it?\n\n>\tThe telephone didn’t get rid of social communication, it just use technological means to make it more efficient.\n\nIt never meant to get rid of the social communication, your example is way off the base. \n\nAnd no, yoo don’t understand the efficiency if you think decentralization is leading to that.\n\nIt’s as if you would say: hey, let’s not make a kitchen in this restaurant. Let’s make it in 5 blocks from here to make sure they are nowhere near, because that’s SURELY gonna make it efficient. That’s what decentralization is.\n\n\nAnyway. I see that you are excited about the technology and I get it. What you lack is the life experience. I assume you are very young, so you didn’t have the chance to process your own participation in the centralized systems and benefits you already got and are constantly getting from it.\n\nI would keep taking about it, but you are showing more and more that you simply lack the experience and understanding of how and why centralized systems exist, how they appeared, what is efficiency and which steps are required to achieve it.\n\nCooler doesn’t mean better. It could be worse but just shinier.\n\nI will not reply any further, as we already took rounds over rounds in our conversation, speaking about what essentially is the same.", "Go type 3DRing on Opensea please \nTake a look\nThey are amazing", "hahaha.... I Think fractional NFTs would solve this, with the likes of DEIP ECONOMIC PROTOCOL providing platforms for F-NFT ....", "https://discord.gg/z3F6brny\n\nEarn money 💸 from this NFT", "[https://discord.gg/uuVYKCN7K5](https://discord.gg/uuVYKCN7K5) Join the TEKIKA NFT server", "> You guys are literally re-creating the exact social model, that exists now, while creating it with massive holes. Why?\n\n> [the phone was] never meant to get rid of the social communication, your example is way off the base\n\nSo it seems like you miss the entire point of what I have been saying, which is that one of the major benefits of decentralization is the efficiency.\n\n> Why you are against using the law but for using the DOA? Both are effectively the same, as being the 3rd party, with the difference, that DOA has no power in anything and can’t hold a digital criminal responsible.\n\nYou are misunderstanding the technology again. Blockchain tech like ethereum is about _encoding certain laws into code_. Right now laws are on paper, which is great. Putting them into code makes them _executable_. Which makes them far more powerful. It allows transactions and operations to be automated. It makes it so you don't have to use the justice system or police system to try to enforce certain laws, because the crimes involving those laws (like deed of sale forgery) become much more difficult.\n\nYour analogy about moving things 5 blocks away is _not_ what people talk about when they talk about the efficiency of blockchain. Let me give an example. When you transfer a deed, you need a notary. This person ensures that the signatures on the deed are real and not forged. It's not perfect, but it's a decent and simple solution. However it requires a 3rd party, who charges a fee.\n\nWith NFTs, these types of \"certificates of ownership\" can be transferred _much_ more securely (if you want, look into how the cryptography of the blockchain works, and how much harder it is to forge a cryprographic signature versus a regular written signature). Now there's still a fee (the \"gas fee\" for ethereum), but these are going down drastically. People expect that in the future, these fees will be less than a cent. All it requires from a legal standpoint, is for the law to accept these certificates as legitimate. Then each person involved would need to register their bitcoin/ethereum wallet with the government, and that's it. A lot of the administrative and operational costs can go down when we replace trusted third parties with decentralized systems.\n\nIt was nice having this discussion with you. There was definitely a lot of disconnect between our understandings of how these decentralized technologies work (and I'm probably older than you think) but nonetheless I definitely learned a few things so thank you and happy new years." ]	3,240	videos	Coffeezilla interviews the man who built NFTBay, the site where you can pirate any NFT: Geoffrey Huntley explains why he did it, what NFTs are and why it's all a scam in its present form
https://youtu.be/iquK6DLP4uE	/r/videos/comments/rlod8q/i_cant_believe_i_found_a_nintendo_switch_oled/	[ "Really? They're everywhere.", "Yeah out here (southern California) I've had a lot of trouble finding one, and when there is any its only like 6 at best buy or other stores and they go fast, luckily I found 2 at best buy grabbed one and the other one went within minutes of paying.", "Congrats" ]	3	videos	I cant believe i found a Nintendo switch OLED!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O2C5R3FOWdE&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/rloemu/what_the_internet_did_to_garfield/	[ "Bruh no one got time for a 1 hour 20 min video about Garfield.", "I'm 25 minutes in and think you're missing on a pretty cool video", "Love super eyepatch always great vids. This one is great!", "I'm sorry John." ]	4	videos	What The Internet Did To Garfield
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qtaKMHZGv1U&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/rloxno/major_winchester_confronts_bullying/	[ "I'm a stressed out grumpy ass man who just got off a 10 hour shift at my warehouse and that ending made me go \"Awww\" like a little girl. That was sweet.\n\n\n\nGood post.", "Human empathy seems to be missing from much of the world today.", "Speaks volumes on how people only seem to care when it effects them or someone close to them.", "MASH really became an absolute gem, once Alda started writing it. It is easily one of my favorite shows, and this video shows why.", "Agreed- end scene was \"fine\", but I thought it actually took away from the morality of his stance against bullying. He wasn't defending people who needed defending, he was defending his sister by proxy while he was away. \n\nThe guy in the next bed over with a different bully-able mannerism could not expect the same defense based on the end scene.", "Same situation happens to parents of LGBQT kids who were bigots before their kids came out, im not sure what to call this type of watered down empathy but it def needs a name.", "Yeah, that's one of the places my mind went. Agreed, that kind of \"I hated it until it showed up in my family\" championing could use a name, if it doesn't already.\n\nI was bullied hard when I was young and I don't even remember why. Not being 'normal' in some way I can't explain. I was targeted, and once targeted, was difficult to escape. I was lucky, I grew large in highschool and teasing me lost it's luster. I was trying to quantify that in my original post and kept it simple instead.", "Im sorry that happened to you, children are horrible and you didn't deserve to be bullied.", "Yeah, they really can be. Thanks. This isn't about me though, I'm good. :) Just telling the story because you don't need a clear 'problem' with you too be bullied.", "Every character was relatable on some level. They were written as real humans and not caricatures.", "To play a bit of a devil's advocate here:\n\n> \"I hated it until it showed up in my family\" championing could use a name, if it doesn't already.\n\nChange and growth are both names for that.\n\nYes, it's unfortunate that some people need that type of kick to make a change in themselves, but they still DID make the change. Isn't a homophobic person changing their views because their kid came out INFINATELY better than if they continued to be a bigot?\n\nIt's not like it's an automatic \"Oh, my kid's gay, can't be a bigot anymore!\" switch. There's plenty of kids that still grow up terrified of their parents finding out...", "It is, but if they only accept the thing their kids became and change their view on nothing else, it loses value. \"My kid is gay, but I still hate black people\", vs \"my kid had a black baby but the gays are still immoral.\"", "I’m a simple man, I see mash I upvote.", "Growing up watching this show, I feel like much of my morality is derived from the lessons of MASH, and I'm fine with that.", "Charles was a great replacement for Frank. He was obviously still a foil for Pierce, but he was also actually likable. I love the episode where he helps the smputee pianist.", "unlike early MASH... Who TF thought it was a good idea to write a character called Speerchucker Jones?! Damn you, Richard Hooker! The man he was based on was an exceptional human being on his own merit without making him a javelin thrower and a professional football player/brain surgeon.", "mash was such an amazing show", "Character was in the film, and the novel. Yeah, it’s a pretty racist nickname, but the novel was published in 1968, so it’s not that surprising. For what it’s worth, when another character makes some racist comments towards Jones, Hawkeye and Trapper John get revenge on the racist. So the track record there is a little bit mixed", "I don' think we need to shame it though...", "It's not just today. War and slavery both require people in power who don't have much empathy for others. There's less war and less slavery now than there ever has. Still if you dig deep enough you'll find a lot of people lacking empathy. But this isn't anything new. Today it's just a lot clearer what kind of world we live in, than it ever has been.", "Great edit! I loved that, thank you!!", "Wow, this sort of comment is what Reddit is all about. I was squarely on the side of, \"Oh yeah, no problem until it affects YOU,\" until I read this comment, which made me think again and consider different points of view. Change and growth are surely names for that, you are so right.", "I really should run through it. This is brilliant writing particularly for television in the 70s. \n\nI remember watching it in syndication as a kid but it never really resonated.", "Turn of the tv or computer, there's plenty of empathy.", "Spearchucker Jones was a javelin thrower.\n\n>In the book, just like in the movie, Spearchucker reveals that the nickname \"Spearchucker\", ordinarily a racial slur, referred in this case to his javelin-throwing prowess.\n\nhttps://mash.fandom.com/wiki/Oliver_Harmon_%22Spearchucker%22_Jones", "Frank was a caricature. Charles was not one dimensional.", "Other than Jamie Farr, David Ogden Stiers one of the best characters IMO. He outdid his story lines. Both did really. Too many shows to name in order to pick a favorite of Stiers. The French Horn and of course the final with what happened to his quarter of North Korean prisoners.", "Definitely mixed. Rampant sexual harassment and objectification of women on one hand, profound humanism on the other. They'd get revenge on a racist solider in one scene and sexually assault a nurse in the next, all the while everyone's pretty cool with the cross-dresser. It's a fascinating show to see how so many cultural norms have progressed, while so many others have stayed the same.", "Such a great show, but it got way better after Winchester replaced Frank. He was definitely a weak point.", "I used to watch MASH with my dad. It really takes me back and it's still something we bond over.", "Was going to say this, glad someone already did.", "In a world where we are overloaded with virtual experience and undervalue our personal experience, its hard to say the world is more clear.", "One of the most underrated actors there ever was.", "I just rewatched all of MASH (again)\n\nIt has some really progressive and radical aspects for its time but it's peppered in with a bunch of sexism, misogyny, racism, and other things we would be highly sensitive to in modern progressive culture.", "damn that end made me tear up, grandpa told me a man has to stand up for what you love and well he did", "The cross dresser isn’t really a cross dresser though. Everyone knows he’s just doing it to get out of the army.", "When MASH was still in production, many people still used televisions that relied on the vacuum tube. Some critic said when MASH went off the air, that while a perfect vacuum in TV had not yet been achieved, we were certainly a lot closer. (Not sure I got that quite right, but I hope you understand my intent.)", "This is such a damn cynical view. Surely any attempt to make the world a little better should be praised, and not criticized because it's about them or someone close to them. \n\nI swear, a bunch of y'all just seem to be trying to find the bad in the good, just to point it out and make the world a little darker", "Plus, removing Frank allowed Hot Lips to develop into a person.", "I love comics and novels. Seems like Major Winchester needs to broaden his horizons.", "It's an interesting thing, a friend, after he got to know me and my views on say animals, human rights and so on, asked if I was bullied as a child. \n\nI was, pretty badly too. \n\nand it made me consider both my actions and those that didn't see the world as I did.", "He reminds me a lot of Kelsey Grammer in Frasier", "Yes because society was built by honey booboo fans in the great birth of civilization circa 2010.\n\nLol sarcasm aside, it's easy too judge people younger than you for liking what they do, some are easier than others (like honey booboo lol), but that doesn't mean they're wrong. I mean, for example the older generations at the time HATED rock and roll. The answer is really you just don't understand it and that's perfectly fine. I know, I feel/felt much the same.\n\nHowever it's also important too note that a lot of societies problems today are due too a few things but mostly the fact that, hundreds of years ago in some instances, the system was intentionally and specifically designed for certain things (oppression of the poor) and other things are a result of simply time (laws not properly adjusted to the internet yet). Don't get me wrong there's a lot more too it but it's mostly those IMHO.\n\nI'm rambling a bit but my point is that you should soften your heart too younger generations and also that society is a really the result of all humans, past and present. We shouldn't pass the blame or judge those we don't understand.\n\nOh and sorry too take your comment so seriously but sometimes these things should be said and maybe this is one of those times.", "Early few seasons are funny, but definitely very much the product of their time. Once Alda took over (and I assume othe people helped too) the show stopped with jokes rooted in stereotypes and sexism, and instead moved more towards just holding a mirror to humanity and teaching valuable life lessons.", "Awww oh my god!", "Maybe [this rascal](https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/1/19/14266230/empathy-morality-ethics-psychology-compassion-paul-bloom) is behind it", "https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/1/19/14266230/empathy-morality-ethics-psychology-compassion-paul-bloom\n\nI can only agree with that assessment.", "That's quite good", "You're not supposed to look at something using today's morays. I'd hate to read your take on anything Mel Brooks has made. Or the antebellum south.", "It's the beheadings on the internet.", "What you described is the complexity of humanity as a whole. We mercilessly pick on a sibling but will defend them to the bitter end if someone else does it. We pretend we can't see the beggar but donate to charity. Life is complicated.", "Apparently the views a person holds can only be truly good if the person holding them doesn't have any personal reasons to believe in them, according to Reddit.\n\nYeah, completely agreed, just Redditors trying to find the bad in everything.", "Major Winchester is hot!! I watched M.A.S.H. none stop on my teens but obviously I wasnt into hot daddy bears. But now 😍😍😍😍", "What a sweet episode", "The bully Captain Sweeney has such a distinctive voice - turns out he was later in Young Guns as [Texas Joe Grant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGBw3zwzqwI).\n\nShort role though, [Billy shoots him within about 5 minutes of his appearance](#s).", "Charles replacing Frank, BJ replacing Trap. Even Potter replacing Henry. Every casting move was clearly an opportunity for the writers to add depth and sincerity to the show with new characters. And much needed. Knee slapping comedy has it's place and early Mash was good fun. But it couldn't have lasted. The show was going growing stale. \n\nr/mashgifs", "Very true. I still have a love/hate feeling about Henry's death. On one hand, it was unnecessary because he was already leaving. On the other hand, it really made a point about war causing senseless death, and how the field surgeons have to deal with it.", "It's possible to be critical and appreciative at the same time. Both contexts matter, past and present.", "I don't know, he stuck to it looong after it was clear it wasn't working.", "He gives it up altogether towards the end of the series as he grows more and more comfortable with his role in the unit. You can see him in this clip in normal army fatigues in fact.", "Watch it without the laugh track. There's a torrent out there with dual audio.", "Always one of my favorites.\n\nN.S", "I still tell myself the quote from when Hawkeye went sober for a while, then ordered a drink. (from memory, so hopefully close) \"What? I need this! puts down the drink I think I'll wait until I want it instead of need it.\" It's that last line that's kept me from ever getting drunk.", "I love this episode and the way it unfolded. The introduction of the tapes from his sister (who you don't know yet has a stutter). Winchester standing up to the bullies throughout the episode. Him giving the book to the man with the stutter, which is odd because WInchester isn't usually this caring about human issues. Then at the end he gets to unwind in his tent and he puts on the tapes to reveal to us his sister, who has a stutter, but is doing prestigious things with her life.", "The actor wanted to give it up for personal reasons. I think his kid was getting made fun of or something like that.", "And was really, really passionate about it lol.", "Children are horrible that's why I bully them all!", "Hell, even the first episode he was in had a great arc. As a very skilled surgeon he thought the 4077th doctors were hacks, but after a marathon of wounded they all shared a grudging moment of respect.", "Much like the word \"colored\" at the time, it wasn't considered racist as he was a javelin thrower. I'm sure there will be words, actions, and paradigms from today, that 53 years from now will be equally repulsive, yet weren't even given a second thought presently.", "r/unexpectedcrying", ">I remember watching it in syndication as a kid but it never really resonated.\n\nprobably had the laughtrack. It was very offputting.", "The Christmas episode ahhh where he doesn't want anyone to know he's dropping off presents for the locals. He had a heart under all that pompousness.", "Bro, not gonna lie to you, people don't even watch tv let alone tv channels anymore. Even then you're giving way way too much credit in society to the stupid sociopaths that own whatever company that owns history channel is.\n\nI get that no longer having the content you like can be upsetting and personally a big deal... But this is the golden age of the internet. Take a step back, stop blaming the wrong people (those watching), soften your heart, but also just go watch something else. There's nearly infinite content at your fingertips. Just reach out and take it.", "And not just a heart - the Major’s got ribs, lungs, and a stomach packed in there too.", "For someone who isn’t really a cross dresser, Klinger puts in a pretty extortionate effort and amount of money on playing the part with a devilishly sharp fashion sense.", "Because this is nourishing in a way that most of life isn't. It's how humans should relate to each other and often don't.", "Yup. They did a great job of letting us in on his genuine compassion and his pompousness, even when his colleagues didn't get to see it.", "Repulsive like being an apologist for racists in 2021? Don't do that. Adding a single line saying that he once threw a javelin was just a flimsy pretext for calling the only black doctor a racist term. It was racist then and it's racist now." ]	83	videos	Major Winchester confronts bullying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLr2jIVtOOc	/r/videos/comments/rlp9rf/sacchan_the_fat_dog/	[ "Sacchan is my spirit animal.", "LMAO that is my YouTube channel. It keeps being taken off YouTube for some reason", "I love how the dog can wander around town like an old man and no one disturbs him apart from some treats and pets.", "Dog has an awesome life", "Ha...awesome!\n\nYou are doing the Lord's work by having this up. \n\nI love this video clip.", "I don't speak Japanese but someone said she basically named the dogs 1-5 could someone please tell me the truth. I really wanna know what number he is lol", "3", "Adding chan to the end of a name is an honorific a conjugation an informal one used for children and cute animals most often used among family and sometimes friends.\n\n\n* Icchan - Ichiro, which means first son \n* Yocchan - Had this dog been named the second son it would have been Jiro and fourth son would have been Shiro. There are a few different boys names this could be before adding the honorific but the most likely based on the other two names meanings is Yoshiro meaning righteous son.\n* Sacchan - Saburou: means third son \n* Niichan - The child was called this and it literally just means big brother so this isn't the child's actual name.", "Saint Sacchan again! this gotta be one of the best television moments out there." ]	9	videos	Sacchan the Fat Dog
https://youtu.be/-xtYm_poF_8	/r/videos/comments/rlpcc0/apple_bottom_jeans_beach_boys_1964/	[ "Boots with the furrrrr", "I can see this as the intro song to an indie movie about a Puerto Rican woman trying to break into the ballet scene of 1950s NYC", "Hint of Bullseye", "Perfect.", "Fucking amazing!!", "lol this was good", "This is way better than it has any right to be.", "That’s rather specific", "I'd send this to my dad (huge Brian Wilson fan) but he won't know Flo Rida/T Pain to really appreciate.", "Lol. Amazing", "I may have already written the script", "How the fuck did they do this?", "He’s got other ones, but he really did a good job replicating the sound on this one.", "took me a bit to figure out why this triggered tom cruise to pop into my head.", "I’ll shoot it for yah", "lol when you said he had other ones I thought you meant he had other songs that were Beach Boyed, not Apple Bottom Jeans with different artists", "What else is there?? When's opening night?", "It's very well done, but I only needed about 20 seconds of it.", "He has more on his channel, funny shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64zqtNaeaD0", "I need more", "This oddly makes so much sense the more I think about it...?", "He records and edited it himself!\n\n[Another example where it's more obvious](https://youtu.be/JqtzeO9DDMo?t=10)\n\nBUT he isn't the only guy to do this. It's a trend so a few other channels have as well. Here is an ENTIRE PLAYLIST. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNPLcHhiBgTf5hGCN_HlTIgi4agmKHv72", "This is my favourite one https://youtu.be/dYBtjPQT248", "Just doesn't feel the same without the lead guitar though.", "No, you get to play the Puerto Rican woman.", "This is fantastic haha", "Talent.", "Iiin one! An automatic washing machine!" ]	37	videos	Apple Bottom Jeans - Beach Boys (1964)
https://youtu.be/eR7eTPOJ7gM	/r/videos/comments/rlq8qo/jazz_drummers_attempts_death_core/	[ "Did he say he was chilling, watching Lana Rhodes?!", "Yes", "That… was great. As a (former) drummer, I had to rewind five times to be in awe of what he’s doing.", "He's very good", "He is, but it’s not just that. I liked how his different styling stood out from metalcore/metal, but it still fit with the genre. I also loved how fast he picked up the fundamentals for the genre." ]	5	videos	Jazz Drummers attempts Death Core
https://youtu.be/bezvvD5BEkI	/r/videos/comments/rlqg3n/drug_kingpin_ramon_arellano_felix_on_the_david/	[ "Well, that's bonkers.", "No, thats Ramon Arellano Felix. Bonkers got caught I believe.", "he got killed" ]	3	videos	Drug kingpin Ramon Arellano Felix on the David Letterman Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW91Qmjr7Ig&ab_channel=vcdupper	/r/videos/comments/rlqtqv/guy_makes_a_presentation_for_his_teacher_about/	[ "If the guy would have half-assed a presentation about a real country, he probably would have struggled to answer her questions. But since it is all made up, it is easier just to make up more bullshit on the spot and sound believable.", "Other students playing along is just too lol..........", "Wakanda Forever!", "Yibambe!", "An American teacher.", "The famous american education system", "How to succeed in corporate America 101.", "I have a hard time believing the teacher isn't just playing along.\n\nEspecially someone her age, its almost impossible to have not had Marvel media advertisements shoved down your throat if you own a phone, tv, or computer.", "“The only thing more shocking than this tragedy is the fact that you didn’t know about it.”\n\nThanos snapped my sides", "He should've ended with the last slide being the logo for Black Panther with the Marvel stamp. People would've lost their shit.", "would you like to talk to a 25 years old goth friend of mine? he is as any young guy in the sense that smoke weed, played years lol (was challenger) he is into speedruns and gring heavy gaming while listening to maybe a peep song and watching naruto front and back several times.\n\ndoesn't know matrix the movie .......he doesn't know even it had THE twist. ( which would be is bread and butter)\n\nother night i popped a good funny kung fu movie...he was really enjoying it. the title? kung fucking fusion!!!", "Before the internet really blew up a buddy of mine did a report on “Johan Weber,” founder of Weber Barbecues. It was all made up, but he was detailed and quick with answers that founded reasonable. Dude got an A.", "Same here. I felt like her commentary and questions had a very sarcastic tone...", "sturgeons law: 90% of everything is bullshit", "Well, the guy is getting the education he's working for.", "That line KILLED me 🤣", "Reminds me of when i made an essay about a country parody of wakanda", "[This is your chance to level up](https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/world)\n\nYou'd be surprised how often it comes in handy being able to rattle off countries.", "Teachers don't give a fuck. Presentations aren't about what you know, they're about confidence and clarity. Just because he made up a country for the talk doesn't mean he's not fulfilling the rubric.\n\nShe probably didn't know about Black Panther, knew he was taking the piss somehow, and was just waiting to see if it was an inappropriate joke or a harmless one.", "That's not surprising, like at all. If he is 25 he was only 3-4 when the Matrix came out.", "By twist do you mean that they’re in the Matrix?", "yes of course.", "I went to see it in the cinema and I don’t recall that being a particular surprise to anyone.\n\nJust because it's a plot point you wouldn't know without knowing the story doesn't make it a twist.", "If teacher were allowed to use their phones in class, she could have looked this up….", "do you watch other people when you are at the movies?. i could speak only for myself", "Only the hot ones but yes.", "Without them we would never have been taught American.", "I just don’t understand how she did not know about the tragedy of Wakanda" ]	28	videos	Guy makes a presentation for his teacher about Wakanda, she has no idea it isn't a real country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRRMhN3PqbQ	/r/videos/comments/rlquci/all_the_mountains_are_high/	[ "Yeah", "Is that one of those things where you hear the words you’re listening for? Cause I could hear “ordinary tribe”", "I heard “more the merry, try”", "That was dope", "This is maybe the greatest song I've ever heard", "No, this is just a tribute\n\nBut seriously though this was amazing. More of the old guy, less of the younger guys vocals and I'd be happy", "Nothing about this video is what I expected from that thumbnail. In the best way.", "Voice doesn't match the person huh", "Pretty catchy, singer's got some nice technique there", "I don't know why, but I like it.", "Holy fuck....", "All the mountains are high is the song name on spotify", "Yeah that was pretty fucking good actually\n\n> a tribute\n\nI've never heard the original, would you know more about it ?", "Only three people have heard the original. One is in hell and the other two don't remember it.\n\nAlas, it is lost to the ages", "This took a little bit of investigation, but here's some more highlights of that man on some sort of show. An also what he looks like shaved and wearing a suit!\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLBNOZMn5w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLBNOZMn5w)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nedit - shorter clip of just the song on the Domingo Show:\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiN2u9yhseE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiN2u9yhseE)", "I bet Barry Gibb is scrambling to buy the rights to this song.", "Anyone know artist that have similar vibe/vocal?" ]	18	videos	All the mountains are high
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rlrrks/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rlrrks/deleted_by_user/	[ "Oh for fucks sake", "We should all remain vigilant and just remember, if you see a Busey, say something.", "Hopefully they've also prepared for the possibility that instead of finding extra terrestrial life they find the lead scientist's dead dad.", "This can be true to any situation really. If you see either Jake or Gary Busey, you better start running lol.", "I would run straight towards them screaming and stripping as fast as possible. It would be the weirdest thing ever for everyone.", "what a brainless post", "Who hurt you?", "yep, gotta avoid that", "Gotta avoid this post lol. Got people upset it seems", "I loved this movie but absolutely hated the ending, the \"18 hours of static\" thing really bugged me hard. WHY couldn't they just end the fucking movie on a positive note, and what the fuck was that about the god shit intertwined with everything, pain in the ass. I realize it's based on a book but come on, you're adopting a book to a screenplay, make it sensible for fucks sake.", "Do you mean have two of ‘em?", "Lol", "They completely hand-waved away the chair they installed breaking free and smashing to the wall of the capsule. That would be clear tangible evidence \\something\\ happened even without the recording.", "Haha didn't even think about that, you are so right." ]	18	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJ4vPwWzvs	/r/videos/comments/rlsf9f/hobo_heater/	[ "Is it just a candle?", "A crisco candle. I’m wondering how much heat it actually produces.", "A random person tried to boil water with one.\n\n[https://www.outdoorhub.com/how-to/2018/11/29/crisco-heater-experiment-boiling-water-keeping-warm/](https://www.outdoorhub.com/how-to/2018/11/29/crisco-heater-experiment-boiling-water-keeping-warm/) \n\n>I placed the pot and water onto the metal and I left the contraption alone for a while. I figured this was no gasifier camping stove and we would need some time to get water boiling. \n> \n>I returned after about 20 minutes to find the water as cold as it was when I left it.\n\nAdmittedly, heating water takes a fair amount of heat, but when compared to a can of sterno which was getting the water warm and starting to bubble in 5 minutes, it is probably better for light. He then tried using 9 candles instead of 1 which worked much better than the original, but still did not approach the effectiveness of a candle. He summarized:\n\n>In a cold abandoned room, you would certainly be able to generate heat with about 9 birthday candles, a conductor and something to hold it over the heat. That is the best find in this experiment. It would warm the room in proximity. A metal enclosure with holes might do even better.\n\nYou can get sterno for $1.50 per can, which lasts some 2-3 hours and produces a good amount of heat. A can of Crisco costs $6 (plus another $1 for candles to use as the wick) and does not generate anywhere near as much heat, but will produce more light and burn many hours." ]	3	videos	Hobo Heater

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