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"Climate change is a crime, a crime against humanity",0
That's a pretty simple process. :),0
"This is truly interesting. Should this technology prove practical, it may be possible to look at integrating it into water purification facilities. Interesting.",0
It's going to be necessary at water treatment facilities.,0
"Oh that’s easy! But first, they must charge an arm and a leg so you won’t need to worry about anything because you won’t be able to afford it",0
"I am assuming that you mean to filter the plastics from open waters that are contaminated, eg rivers, lakes, and oceans. Unfortunately, like most filtration and purification technology, this will likely only be relevant to potable water. The inhabitants of any ecosystem would be damaged by this almost as much as the plastics themselves. In all water there is no way to remove the microorganisms which make up the bottom of the food chain without damaging them, so you couldn't pass the water through the filter and maintain the diversity. Also, this would likely filter other, naturally occurring organic molecules which these ecosystems use to survive.
For oceans, all of the above, plus issues dealing with salinity, which I would suspect could damage the filter and not release water of similar salinity to the source, not sure which way, that would cause issues with death bubbles and such.",0
"I think the big problem would be more so, ""how do we remove microplastics without removing all the needed things in the water?"" Say if we use it on rivers, filtering would also remove very small water life that fish feed on. It would also remove things like the small particles of slit that gets slowly deposited on shores that later goes on to help land be more fertile. In the ocean, it would have similar problems. There are too many small things in natural waters that would be filtered out that needs to stay in for the environment. 

This is great for drinking water but to make a product or system that can remove only microplastics would be insanely difficult if not impossible, at least for now. There is no telling what we will figure out in the future.",0
"I answered this myself a tiny part, looking at abstracts only, a bit more. A bit of searching:



But that has nothing on what pollutants may be created or develop or are left from manufacturing, if they are used. 

But does say “Covalent triazine frameworks(CTFs) as a new type of porous organic polymers(POPs) with nitrogen-rich content, high chemical stability, visible light sensitive, metal-free and fully conjugated structure” which is great, as it gives me a starting-point. 



Mentions CTFs still can have metals. 



This suggests there are hundreds of different structures, of COFs alone. 

“What is the difference between a MOF and a COF?
A metal organic framework can be pictured as a combination of metal atoms (or clusters) as nodes, with organic linkers. In a COF (or Covalent Organic Framework) these metal 'nodes' are instead replaced by a non-metal such as boron or nitrogen.

These COF structures are much less common (with less than 600 structures reported so far) and even fewer with published crystal structures.”

I assume MOFs are different to COFs with metals in them. It did mention a difference between 2d and 3d COFs and MOFs, where some are single layers of atoms, much like graphite sheets. 



This tells me that the atomic assembly can be completely free from metals. 

Still nothing on biosafety, recyclability, or on biocompatibility, or on manufacturing sustainability, or inputs of materials and their sustainability. 



Even in single atom thick layers (imagine a flat paper puzzle, instead of a pile or pallet of atomic bricks) it’s able to filter salt water. 

Going away from the science, especially as it’s not closely related to the CTFs mentioned that filter microplastics, there’s another popular magazine article here. 



And from that, I note that again, nothing is mentioned about the sustainability of manufacturing, of how safe it is, what it breaks down to in the environment, what the results of eating or drinking that nano-manufactured non-natural engineered material is, weather it would be safe if your children were swimming in water contaminated with materials leftover from the filter, or how even it’s manufactured, and what costs and waste products exist. 

I was only yesterday looking at F-gases, and the consequences of manufacturing post-it notes, and LCD screens and golf club carts, and how bad it is when companies discharge tonnes to hundreds or thousands or millions of tonnes of industrial pollutants. 

So sadly, all the text that appears shows nothing and gives no clues as to the safety, sustainability and recyclability of the ‘Covalent triazine frameworks’.

If there’s an issue that recycling is only reliable at scale, I think the history of plastics manufacturing has demonstrated how massive scale leads to competitive pressures and market forces drive down the prices to the point where no recycling is possible, as it’s commercially unviable in any comprehensive way. Actually, the collapse of a recycler in Australia, who only had one job - to recycle soft plastics, eg. Grocery and food bags, where said plastics are mostly well described as they are food safe ones, clearly highlights how absolutely dangerous it is to create filters that themselves might be a problem to recycle if they are made at any scale.",0
"It's reusable with little degradation, however many uses that means is not detailed in the abstract. Considering it's a new material, recycling will depend on a lot of factors. It seems to be a complex shape of a more basic material that has other uses, so it may be recyclable.",0
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"50 year old who has been working in environmental conservation for longer than Greta has been alive.

There are a *lot* of us who have been actively working on dealing with the issues she raises, and have been doing so for a very long time. Even back when I was a little kid there were a lot of folks who had recognized the problems and were working to curtail or stop them.

Greta is just one among many making noise and doing things to help.  The media has latched onto here and made her the ‘public face’ of all this, but she is far from the only one and far from the first.

All due credit to her, but it’s a *group* effort to address and fix the problems, not something that people can pin their hopes onto one person to ‘save’ us.

Raise your kids right, vote for responsible politicians, hold corporations and businesses (including the ones you work for/at/own) accountable, support education, support biodiversity, environmental, climate, etc efforts locally and globally, etc.",0
Another overweight 40 year old man with a family hoping Greta can keep being her awesome self. Her tweet KOd Tate faster than any MMA fighter could.,0
"Same, from a lowly overweight 40yo woman with a family lol",0
"> Please save us

You are 40 years old, and you ask 19 years old to save you?
It’s your job.",0
"You, specifically, are why the world is falling apart. Your mediocrity and mental degeneration have brought us here.",0
"she’s not remotely our only hope or even necessarily our best. and either way, Andrew got his attention, and people are still talking about it days later, maybe into next week. nobody won anything here. most lost in fact.",0
[... ok](,0
cringe comment,0
"Sheesh, never seen a more loser comment than this 💀 how on EARTH do you hold her in such high regard",0
"Her tweet two days later:

>this is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes

",0
Cheers Geoff,0
"So he wants to defend Tate because…?

Yeah, not gonna happen",0
All he needs to is change the database directly,0
"He's given you ""88 million"" reasons to distrust him.",0
"Cybertruck comes with a smokestack to recharge the battery upon its release, in 2035.",0
"Soft paywalls, such as the type newspapers use, can largely be bypassed by looking up the page on an archive site, such as [web.archive.org]( or [archive.is](

*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/climate) if you have any questions or concerns.*",0
Reader mode in Opera or Firefox works.,0
"Ugh, I hate elite agendas, I can never write in them with anything other than expensive pens.",0
"Yeah, I guess a grown man harassing a teenage girl isn’t as important as a dick joke.",0
Gotta hit 'em where it hurts. 🎯,0
"It's not body-shaming, it's attitude-shaming. ""Small dick energy"" has very little to do with the size of your dick, just so you know. 

She was mocking him for his obvious insecurities, and I'm all for it.",0
Lol you forgot the /s.,0
What garbage!,0
Is small dick energy body shaming?,0
Found Andrew Tate,0
This is how a mob works lol,0
"She’s referring to his personality, not his body. Thus the word “energy.” She’s simply calling him out for purposefully going out of his way to show he has crappy character. He believes himself to be weak and doesn’t have the insight to see that others see this plain as day. Part of his messge was that he’s proud of having a lack of empathy for others, and a lack of empathy is always weakness. And why? He has enormous priviledge. Who knows, he may have big body parts. Neither Greta or I care. Despite being an adult he continues to act like a hurt child. He’s pathetic but doesn’t need to be. An implication is, dude get some therapy.",0
"Body shaming? That would only be true if she *knew* about his size.

Tate made a Big Dick energy statement, and got slammed because Greta wanted none of it.",0
Agreed. I didn't even know who Andrew Tate was and he seemed like an absolute shitbag but I lost respect for Greta for using such immature and pointlessly bodyshaming rhetoric.,0
Typical ranting of a climate denier. Listen to the science,0
">tax away bad weather

A gross and dishonest simplification of a concept that's already so simple a kindergartener can understand it. Are you the ""not very educated people"" you're referring to? 

>heat the world with solar panels

Ironically, the pollutants you casually handwaved in your first point make the earth retain much more heat than a solar panel could ever produce. Whatever your source of information is, they lied to you and probably received a large sum from the oil industry for the privilege.",0
Your post history is exactly what I'd expect from this comment.,0
You seem to be easily offended on other’s behalf. Woke much?,0
"When you do the crime you do the time, right? As quoted by you. Sex traffickers belong in jail for a very long time.",0
Another keyboard warrior 🫡,0
"My first thought as well. Our dogs have trauma every single one of these firework days, and I’m American so it’s usually July 1st-7th and like 12/30-1/2 because people can’t quite seem to stick to JUST the day.",0
"There are few things we are allowed to do that has so much impact on those around you. Fireworks start fires, hurt animals, wake babies, lose people sleep while they comfort animals, babies and so on. And the area of impact is huge, a circle hundreds of metres in diameter. Plus there is the environmental damage (chemicals, litter) and people who often can't afford it blow their money on them. Nothing good comes of it except filling a few wallets.",0
And vets with PTSD,0
I so agree!,0
And my domestic early warning mammals,0
And veterans of conflicts.,0
"Am Scarborian, can confirm",0
Lol!!,0
So you’re saying short term goals should not be confused with long term results. Absolutely.,0
Right? Just because OUR exports are up doesn't mean a damn things in terms of aggregate worldwide usage. Some people seem to think we should just shut off all fossil fuel production as if most people around the world have a viable alternative in place.,0
"Building 4 new export hubs, is hardly thinking short term, and jacking up the price of nat. gas here isnt super helpful to our economy.",0
"uhhh the US is engaging in the war precisely to export more natural gas to europe, but that doesn’t seem like a convo you people are ready to have 🤡",0
"Putin didn't cut off supplies he eventually closed it down due to sanctions by the West because as usual Europe takes its orders from the US as Biden mentioned when he talked about destroying the Nordstream Pipeline and Germany will put up with it.

The US plan all along was to end the Russian gas supply to Europe and sell Europe LNG that is much more expensive, the strategy was all about money and is fucking over us consumers that continue to have increasing home gas prices with UK wholesale prices going up 400% in the last 12 months including 70% in the last 3 months. As usual it's the vulnerable, poor & working class of the UK + EUR who will suffer because of the US government.",0
"So my hot and spicy take is this. [The US actually did blow it up.]( We have no reason not to trust the words of Joe IMO. Sure they deny it now, but who wouldn't.

But i am certainly not one of these Trump dick sucking rightwing conspiracy Q's.

As a European i actually like the move. Europe and especially Germany constantly lacked at least one ball in dealing with Russia. This way, the decision to may still buy a little gas from Putin or whom ever comes after him is taken away. 

I really wish Europe would act more decisive on helping Ukraine, yet we rely on the USA for massive military aid.",0
"I thought that before the explosion, Europe wasn’t going to buy and Russia wasn’t going to sell. Also the explosion will only be a short term problem. The damage portion of the pipeline can be fixed.",0
They were already inactive in that moment,0
They should do more of that.,0
"The union stipulation will be interesting. Due to the extreme swings of the ""solar coaster"" as local incentives come and go, almost no solar installers are union shops. Many are fly-by-nights constantly moving their headquarters from state to state depending on incentives, then just hiring cheap, inexperienced kids to do door-to-door sales and farming out installation to local contractors.",0
Why do you even bother posting stupid third-grade level comments like this? You just make yourself look like a fool.,0
Exactly.,0
"Imagine every person has to sit in front of their carbon at the end of every year. 14 tons of material in a big ass pile in their front yard, overflowing into the streets. Now it’s stuck in the sky. And people think that doesn’t affect anything?",0
"Or roughly 1,000 Indians.",0
"Yeah, that doesn’t include all the hot air that is released from his head every year either.",0
I remember when he back peddled on allowing bitcoin as a currency to buy teslas because of the massive carbon footprint coin mines had,0
Ok how many tons did Tesla reduce,0
"Exactly, so Tesla cancelled al his emissions…",0
His GOP advocacy is probably far worse,0
"Right so we'll subtract 8 million from 1895 million to get his grand total of 1887 million. 

1887 million isn't that bad I mean it isn't even 1895 million! Could you imagine if it was that high? That would be so much more different!

Also Teslas don't remove CO2 that's just green washing. They emitted 8 million tons less than they would have if they used gasoline. They still emit quite a lot of CO2 they are just slightly better but still advancing us towards that mark of 1.5 degrees of warming.",0
"On what BS carbon accounting count? They make anywhere from 3-16 tons per battery with mining let alone construction of the car.

Personal ICU travel is almost nothing for emissions. Generation, shipping, agriculture all dwarf them. Tesla isnt the environmental becon you think it is. Its the most minor (but feels like a major) step consumers can take and then still fly, buy plastic and pollute elsewhere 10x more impactfully than driving.",0
"She’s been shamed.  Elon is a top shelf douche, why are you sticking up for him?  SpaceX is a colossal polluter, and completely frivolous and unnecessary",0
"It’s still a lot of emissions, just because he may or may not be in the top ten doesn’t mean he should t be publicly shamed, especially when so many people think he’s some kind of god.",0
"Not as many as you think, as Tesla is selling off it's carbon credits.",0
"135 times as much as the average American, for just the jet...",0
"They will be good again after another 18,000 years",0
I would argue buying one thing every 100 years IS sustainable,0
And then we learn not to take everything so seriously all the time,0
"Crazy to think that it was a bipartisan issue *50 years ago* and is now considered ""controversial.""",0
"If the only thing you look for is making the other guy mad, everything is a weapon. I mean don't you get mad when your local stream gets poisoned so big ass corporation can save 0.01$/unit? Corporations love MAGAs because they can hide their greed behind the rabid stupidity of Q freaks.

edit: typo",0
Do it for the gram,0
"Yes ideally the definitions will be consistent and people will be able to plan long term around them, but catering to the interest of development should not be the primary focus, that should be on protecting the environment.",0
"""Repealing a Trump-era rule that federal courts had thrown out""

As in they said no to the Trump thing.

[Here's the paragraph from the article that agrees with my interpretation](",0
It's amazing how conservatives want to shit all over the planet we have to live on.,0
Gotta love the ignorance on display here.,0
"> repealing a Trump-era rule that federal courts *had thrown out*

Are you incapable of reading?",0
"This comment got me reading about what's been happening in Peru recently, how did I not hear about Castillo's removal from office until now??",0
The outside sign is basically a free billboard advertising the store.  That's why they never turn it off.  Does make sense to from a business perspective.  Just another reason capitalism sucks.,0
Go in and turn them off lol,0
"Complain to your town's governing body?

However, turning them off yourself as u/spacefrog43 suggested sounds so much more satisfying ;)",0
Is that to reduce vandalism and squatting? So you can clearly see if someone is inside?,0
"yeah so true, came here to make this same comment. 

nevertheless, solar and wind as 60% of annual electricity consumption is still significant. 

when that consumption figure includes transport and heating majority electrified too, then we will really be firing the big guns.",0
"Denmark is tiny and very monolithic, much smaller in land mass and population than a lot of US states.",0
What would a new year be without new hydrogen propaganda.,0
I'm out of the loop here but how is this research a propaganda?,0
You can make it more efficient than the existing processes though. If a step can be removed then the process can be made more efficient.,0
"The whole point is to use dirt cheap green energy when there is a surplus. The only way to make a grid powered by solar/wind is to make 140% too much green power generation so it still works on poor generation days. H2 is plan for energy storage.

Plus it’s really the only suitable green fuel for ships, trains and eventually aircraft.",0
"The extra energy consumption mentioned is specifically that of the desalination required for convential methods of producing hydrogen from seawater.

>The energy consumption is purportedly comparable to that of industrial alkaline electrolysis with pure water.",0
This will all be blamed on renewable energy.  Didn't Abbot say that in Texas the last time?,0
"While I totally agree with just about everything you said, leaning on RTO/ISO to create market rules when they’re ran by the vertically integrated utilities isn’t an ideal answer either. The only truly competitive RTO is ERCOT, it’s no coincidence they have less investor owned utility presence then any of the other TAs.",0
Yeah that link doesn’t work,0
"Also, we should put them above freeways. LA could power the whole country lol",0
"The reasons why are as follows:

1. Cost of steel to raise panels high enough over cars and trucks.
2. Cost of trenching and repairing through pavement to install and maintain conduits and cables. 
3. Need to have access to interconnection point (i.e. transmission line).
4. Most parking lots have buildings near and around them which could create shading impacts. 
5. Raising panels higher from ground means you have to install larger deeper foundations. Much more steel.
6. The private owner of the parking lot would have to be interested in installing. Solar developers don't have site control. They would have to negotiate leases. Parking lots and shopping center change ownership. Complicates land control, and increases risk.
7. Dumb people driving around expensive assets is just not good in general.
8. Most large scale utility needs other supporting infrastructure like a switch yard or substation. This would take away parking spots. Most developers install the minimum required parking spots per zoning regulations. Meaning they would need to apply for and request zoning variance. 
9. Parking lots are hot. Heat is not good for solar panels. 
10. Solar panels would likely have to be fixed tilt which aren't as efficient as trackers.",0
Land was never the constraint (for most places). It's just money.,0
"Great idea.

issue? the oil lobby.",0
"Why don't we cover every parking lot with housing, and parks? And then cover that housing with solar panels :D",0
This is a good idea but say goodbye to seeing the sky ever again. Parking lots are some peoples only outdoor time lol,0
So why not use rooftops instead of parking lots? Near 0% chance someone accidentally rams a solar panel on top of a roof.,0
Especially in Australia,0
What about making them out of hemp (hempcrete)? Nobody said concrete is necessary to build a solar panel.,0
Then move onto the high transmission power corridors. The acreage that could be available for solar is ridiculous just under these power lines.,0
Added benefit is cooler water for improved habitat for fish and aquatic organisms.,0
"I love two birds solutions. Also always a fan of the ""better mouse trap""",0
Compared to big ass parking lots. Which are not eyesores,0
It requires a significant up front investment. Money is why. Always follow the money,0
Shouldn't the ones planning to steal them be FOR installing more of them? Just saying.,0
Not sure why you’re getting so many upvotes… the answer is simple economics.  If you want to learn more than google “solar metering agreements”,0
Anyone living in a desert thinks is a great idea.  Children and pets die in hot cars.  People regularly burn themselves on hot leather car seats,0
Yeah people are not being imaginative enough here. We need to build housing and mixed use developments on these parking lots and then solar on top of that.,0
This is the way,0
best answer,0
"Truth, we need to build walkable cities and get rid of cars",0
"Exactly. Has everyone in this thread gone insane? We have ample space to build solar farms outside city limits, but these people are suggesting we waste valuable urban space that could be better used to build affordable housing, parks and transit stops. This is a prime example of greenwashing.",0
"For sure. But one of the (very few) advantages of surface parking is that they are easier to upgrade to housing, or other higher value urban usages. It's harder to get rid of multi story parking garages. If the solar panels are put in place with the idea that the can be removed in 10 or 20 or 30 years, and designed to be reinstalled elsewhere (think everything except the foundation piles), it could be a useful use of the land at present, while leaving room for improved urban landuse. 

Getting rid of cars and parking lots is good, but expecting all parking lots to be removed in the next 10 years is totally unrealistic. We need multiple solutions that can be done in shorter periods of time. 

But yeah, we need to *start* getting rid of surface parking now, and improving our built environments to be walkable, bikeable, and with good public transport.",0
"As we transition to building out EV infrastructure, this sort of work will have to be done anyway. It makes the most sense to do both at the same time.",0
"Yeah, money and time, our society don’t have an abundance of either, so fuck it… let’s keep living in the past",0
There may be issues with magnetic interference from the HV lines.  There's a reason there is a cleared area where nothing else is built.,0
"The battery issue should have been solved decades ago, but thanks to good old greed, that idea was squashed",0
You are correct.,0
"Exactly. It's amazing that blocking traffic for a couple hours or gluing oneself to a public place is considered possibly ""too far"". Many protest and disobedience tactics of the past make popular climate actions today look absolutely tame.",0
"What enough would it be?

Pouring sugar in gas station tanks?

Sabotaging refineries?

Spreading a few nails on large roads?

Sabotaging cattle farms?

Sabotaging coal plants?

I bet a combination of those things could put a dent to co2 emissions.",0
Bold of you to assume there will still be newspapers in 30 years,0
Play around in traffic and find out,0
30? Try 10-15. Maybe less.,0
"There's this thing called freedom of speech, right to protest...",0
There is too far if emergency vehicles cannot reach victims of crashes fast enough. One person has already died because traffic was blocked off,0
">the debate is only about the protest itself and how annoying it is

This is how the establishment always deflects, but the real question is why you allow them to get away with it? Do you think civil rights protestors in America progressed their movement by protesting in a way that was pleasing to the establishment that was against them? Get real. The establishment will always find fault in anything that goes against their agenda.",0
"> The activist’s dilemma: Extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements.

The issue is that people already don't care about climate change. Climate activists have warned people for decades at this point. Climate change is an incredibly well researched area of study with new papers being released probably every single day. There are tons of books, documentaries, radio shows, interviews, talks, etc. produced by scientists and experts explaining what the is and how to address it. And more. 

But people continue to do nothing about it. They don't make simple changes in their own life. Fair enough. They don't vote for politicians that want to do something about climate change ""because they have more pressing issues"". Fair enough. But they also never, ever bothered in their life to tell their politicians that they even care about this at all.

I don't think ""extreme"" actions, and that is really pushing the meaning of the word ""extreme"", actually reduce support, but it is an easy way for people to blame their inaction and past behaviour on someone else.",0
There are specific examples of making a huge nuisance of yourself and getting your way as a result — the anti-mask protests in Canada come to mind.,0
"Did you actually read the article? The press already tried that line about emergency vehicles. Turns out it was untrue, made up rubbish. The same as when the press made the same claim about a climate protest in the UK.

As for ""leave the rest of us out of it"", no. We are already part of it and always were, just like the rich. We willingly pay for this insanity and refuse to change, like you we are always pointing at someone else and falling back on comfortable blame words like ""terrorists"".",0
Tesla can’t afford to only sell to a small niche. And it’s stockholders damn sure won’t be okay with the stock tanking even further,0
">No reason to drop prices when they are already sold out.

Tesla just announced a $7500 discount in the US and smaller ones in Canada and China.

edit: downvoting won't change facts",0
">Once more *reliable* fast charge stations with more than 4 chargers get put more consistently around interstates, I’m in.

FIFY

More than that, put them at 24 hr travel centers with several restaurant choices.

There are Tesla Superchargers at some Pilot/Flying J truck stops which have several meal options along with large well stocked convenience stores, clean restroom, and showers if you want to freshen up on a long road trip.",0
"Didn't they just open up their infrastructure to all EV's?

[",0
Don’t the BYD cars lack all the required safety gear to be street legal in North America? I was told that’s the reason they are both so cheap and unavailable.,0
Volkswagen was literally founded by Adolf Hitler and they do okay now.  Musk still has a ways to go to hit rock bottom.,0
Base models already qualify. But Tesla fans are livid that all models don't.,0
Not to mention you get shit charging/software with worse watts per mile. Wouldnt pay half the price for non tesla,0
Chevy Bolt is under $20k after tax credit. The average new car price in the US is >$40k.,0
">It should be making America better with our own supply chain

You should try to learn before you comment. The new credits require cars built in North America and using batteries built in North America. It's already created a flurry of announcements of new US battery plants.",0
"I own two Teslas but have never ridden in a limousine. I bought them because they are efficient, low impact, zero emissions vehicles. 

I do agree that Elon Musk is an asshat.",0
">a status symbol fir limousine liberals. 

That's changing quickly as Musk appears to be trying to destroy the brand with right-wing extremist twitter trolling.",0
We can smell the envy and jealously dipping from your pie hole.,0
">good policy for Americans

If an American can pay more than 60k for a car, they don't need a credit. Stop whining.",0
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"> And what of the poor Africans mining toxic cobalt by hand for a dollar a day or less so yall can feel like environmental warriors. 

Agreed, unionize these workers to ensure a better wage & working conditions.

 > How does the electricity we need to charge these low shelf life batteries get created? 

Smart, you'd like to push for phasing out coal fired power plants.

> What do we do with the batteries once they are done? 

Same page, standardization of these battery packs to make recycling profitable is key. 

And, pushing for 2nd life applications like data centers which don't require as much strain.

> So much for a feel good low carbon foot print.  Out of sight out of mind I guess.

Not out of sight at all! Glad you're on board with making smart choices too. 

Losers talk about what we can't do. 

Nice to see you're on board with innovating, bettering workers all while making a profit.",0
"> so yall can feel like environmental warriors. 

Should I feel like an environmental warrior because I fill up my car with gas from cobalt refined sour crude?",0
"I see this argument all the time and it's inherently stupid.

The solution is to fix these industries rather than just turn away from them.  Don't pretend that the cobalt mined for your phone was somehow more ethical, or that the slave masters wouldn't put their free labour towards some other industry (or just kill all the slaves) if cobalt mining went away.  Human trafficking isn't going to magically disappear because you refuse to buy an electric car.

Rubber also used to be collected by slaves, and now it isn't.  It's better to change the industry.",0
"Lol, but they aren't the ones whiffing on already-lowered delivery estimates",0
"Some people where I live get personally offended by electric vehicles. I can't afford one, if I could I'd be wary of seeing those people on the road.",0
"While I chuckled at this, I want to make sure we are not shaming e-bikes. My aging parents got e-bikes and now use them a lot, cutting down on their gas used to get to and from shops near their houses. My folks don't cycle anymore, but e-bikes got them back out and pedaling from time to time, and that's the point. We can use e-bikes to transition a lot of non-cyclists into the culture that cycling > driving, even if their cycles use power.",0
"Nothing wrong with them, but the electric assist adds about 30% to the range at which people can commute, and roughly doubles the number of people for whom commuting by bicycle is a reasonable option.",0
What’s funny is here (San Diego area) most of the eBikes are being ridden by teens and pre-teens.,0
That's not what people are doing — they're buying ones which top out at 18-28mph and cost less than that.  This serves people who are travelling 10mi or less each way very well at low cost and without the risk profile of a motorcycle.,0
"No kidding, right?! When I had my shop, I would have loved to have had access to any amount of free wood, especially if it was in good condition like that stuff appears to be.",0
"If they advertise that it's available for free, they have to keep it on hand, in an accessable place, where people will wander around and pick through it. Some of those people will expect help, and some of those people will leave a mess, which means that staff will have to devote time to monitor and clean up that space. All of that, the space and the staff time, cost money,  and would be a loss if they're giving the wood away for free. And, in the end, it also doesn't guarantee that all of the wood would go, since people are only going to take to pieces they want, so the company is left with disposal of the bits that no one wants. The company is still having to pay for disposal, at the cost of leaving the wood to occupy space they could devote to the turn-over of new product. Paying for disposal is a smaller expense.",0
"I make a lot of frames. Maybe half this pile is very usable for that purpose.

Where I am, woodshops would sell a pile like this for $100 or so.

Some might even sell the scraps as ""cutting board kits.""",0
"I think the big thing there is money. If they're regularly giving away free wood off cuts to anyone, then they reduce demand, and lose money. If they send it to the dump, or even just one person, then it doesn't really affect that though. Not that that makes it okay, just shows that it's a problem of systems, not idiocy",0
"sometimes wood gets treated, and some products used in that process should definitely not be burned.",0
"Or they could heat their own place with it. Literally every joinery shop I've worked in used a stove heated by offcuts to heat the shop, one of them even had the office strategically placed in the top floor so it heated the office space as well",0
"That’s what I was thinking too. Based on the current state of woodworking YouTube with videos like, “Turning a free pallet into a $1500 table??” This is like half a million dollars worth of furniture and cutting boards lmao",0
I was looking at cutting boards yesterday and found end cut hardwood very recommended. A few sellers on Etsy are killing it.,0
"And it's hardwood too.  I'd kill to end up with a free, constant source of hardwood like that, lol.",0
There are *guitars* worth of wood in there,0
So many knife handles and scales 🤤,0
"The stamps actually tell you how it's treated, I make sure it has the ""HT"" instead of ""PT"" meaning heat treated, not pressure treated. I don't burn stained wood. I talked to the guys as well, it's clean, untreated wood. People don't usually like to pressure treat fine wood for indoor furniture, it would be very strange.",0
"Fair warning, however the wood coming from a wood shop is extremely unlikely to be pressure treated. Pt is pretty exclusively used in construction and if you find a wood shop that uses it they probably don’t use much hardwood.",0
Wouldn't any toxic fumes leave through your chimney just like the rest of the smoke?,0
Wouldn’t any fumes going into the house poison you? Isn’t this what chimneys are for?,0
The thing with wood stoves is the fumes go up the chimney pipes....,0
"It does great! fireplaces are not very efficient at all, but wood stoves can be super efficient, and you can also cook with it when the power goes out.",0
"Wood stoves are much better at heating than fireplaces. Ours used to heat the whole house, though the room it was in got way too warm before the furthest rooms got quite warm enough. But that was due to a stupid floor plan - it absolutely made enough heat for the 1800+ sq ft.",0
"The trick is thermal mass. Stone, tile, ceramic or even water can help make it more efficient.

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"Look into a fireplace ""insert"" -- it gets installed in the firebox of your existing fireplace, but essentially turns it into a wood stove.",0
"Unfortunately fireplaces are not very efficient. Most of the heat goes right up the chimney, and also there may be some combustible gas that goes up the chimney as well. Stoves are a lot better in this regard. They have a far better efficiency of burning their fuel. They also retain their heat by virtue of their material (cast iron is most common but stone or tiles and a couple of others are also possible). Another advantage is that you get less smoke (not no smoke) inside of your house because stoves have a door. Breathing smoke is not healthy. Some small cast iron stoves can be placed inside a fireplace without adaptations so I’d look into that if I were you!",0
"Stoves > fireplaces. By like, a lot.",0
Masonry heater is the way to go! Can’t believe there are not more of them. ,0
"I've been looking into getting a fireback to improve the heat we get out of the fireplace. It's a thick sheet of cast iron that's often decorated. They're supposed to reflect heat from the fire back towards the front of the fireplace.

I've found a few YouTube videos on how to tweak a fireplace to get more heat out of it, I've found them really helpful but unfortunately didn't save any. They're also really dependant on your setup. Some have to do with how you vent your fire, some with what you burn, a few had suggestions like the fireback.

I do remember one that talked about managing expectations. With a good fireplace the masonry around it will warm up after a couple of hours and retain that heat for a long time. That does happen with my 60's fireplace, though it doesn't get incredibly warm.",0
Very well. I grew up in a 1200 sqft house and the only heat was out one wood burning stove in the living room. It snowed all winter. It heated up the house pretty quickly too.,0
If you have room for ducting you can put an extra flue around your flue and pump that captured heat to the rest of your house.,0
"Not really. Our house had a wood stove when we moved in, but it was one of the very few in the neighborhood that did, and I never saw smoke coming from any other chimney pipe. I think most people with fireplaces and wood stoves don’t bother to use them, or only use them occasionally for ambience. 

We don’t have one anymore because our house was gutted by a fire several years ago - NOT the fault of the wood stove, but I couldn’t face having indoor fire again after that :/ I sure missed it the following winter when our power was out for two days, though!",0
"PNW. It's a small shop, wouldn't be crazy for none of them to have a wood stove.",0
Wood stoves are out of style for most folks due to convenience. My uncle has a lot of extra wood and was clearing a lot so he had more than he could use in 20 years. Offered it up to the local heating assistance program with free splitting and delivery. They refused and said they only deal with oil and gas heat assistance.,0
"I've worked in plenty of shops with lots of free scrap wood, but I've never had a wood stove.

I knew a guy who had a wood fired, forced air furnace. He swore that it was legit, and I believe him (he was a precise fellow). Basically it was a wood stove with a heat exchange and fan that would circulate the heat throughout the house.

The convenience of heating your whole house with the inconvenience of getting up to stoke the fire in the morning. Interesting trade off if you have enough free wood.",0
"I guess this is the difference between the environmental mindset to zero waste and the frugal mindset to zero waste.

The mindset in this post is to heavily prioritise the frugal end, making the most of what's available for free in his/her area rather than ""letting it go to waste"" in a dump somewhere. If you have very little money at your disposal, environmental concerns go out the window if you can get free heating for next to nothing.

Judging from the sidebar, this sub seems to be leaning towards the environmental mindset; a more considerate place to post this would probably be r/Frugal.",0
"So it's not perfect, but burning wood is carbon neutral as long as trees are planted at replacement value. Also you are replacing other forms of heat. 60% of electricity in the US is from from fossil fuels. Also see natural gas, propane, etc. The stove itself is a certified EPA stove, and it reburns the smoke before it goes up the chimney, so it has way fewer particulates than older stoves. It's generally clear when burning - can't see any smoke. Solar panels on the house would probably be better but I'm not able to have that right now.",0
"Only bad for carbon if you compare it to not heating. Does put more particulate in the air which is a local environmental/air quality concern. It would be bad for air quality if everybody burned wood, but using some local/renewable/waste wood as fuel isn’t ‘terrible’.",0
Would you say that burning the wood is the lesser of two evils?,0
"I'd be willing to bet a lot of people commenting don't actually know where their heating comes from. I'm burning clean, local trash, and I'm not getting it from a coal burning power plant powering the electric grid. Pollution is still there even if you can't see it being made!",0
"So, the people running this shop have not been able to find anyone who wants it, that's why they were paying money to send it to the dump. They posted about it online and I was the only one that responded. Also, most homes are heated by burning gas and fossil fuels (electricity in the US is 60% fossil fuel burning). Wood burning, as long as trees are being planted at replacement value, is carbon neutral.",0
"That's a very broad and misleading statement. Wood heating can be very efficient. I lived in a 10 acre forest for over a 10 years and while I did buy wood, about half the wood I used came from trees in my forest that were at the end or near the end of their lifespan. I had a very small cabin and it didn't take much to get that place up to temperature with not that much wood. I would easily spend $150 a month or more on propane per month depending how cold it was or how expensive propane was when I didn't have wood. It saved me a bunch of money and I considered it very efficient.",0
But it was just going to the landfill,0
Also horrible for local air quality,0
"Wood burning carbon emissions are hardly ""working out for the planet""",0
"Sorry about your breathing problems. I try to be respectful and make sure that there is no visible smoke, If a neighbor approaches me I might adjust my routine but it has never happened. Lots of rain where I live that keeps the air clean and I don't burn on days with poor air quality. This is wood that no one wants, is going to the dump (where it would release carbon once it breaks down), and it's displacing burning fossil fuels, which just pollutes someone else's neighborhood.",0
Wish this sub has flairs for nations so that I can stop getting my hopes up when I see a really cool post,0
I just went through the process on www.optoutprescreen.com. SSN and DOB are optional if you want to give it a shot!,0
"me too, asked me to key in my SSN!?",0
Many fruit trees need a lot of chill hours below a certain temperature or they won’t set fruit.,0
"There it is, again

That funny feeling",0
"I live in the northeast of the United States. Christmas Eve, it was 14 degrees here (-10C). Today it is 58 degrees (14.4C). I would kill for a decent night's sleep.",0
I really gotta read that book,0
ugh. thanks.,0
"Eli5, why does warm weather screw over crops? I get why sub zero sucks, but why is this current temperature bad?",0
"You're right in general, but Biomass is less than 1.5% of total electricity generation, so it isn't driving that 22.6% substantially.

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Also worth noting on your Hydro comment that solar+wind is expanding fast enough that even if hydro output drops by 20% a year, overall renewable share will still increase. 

If solar expands at 25% a year and wind at 15%, both slightly under their current rate, and hydro loses 20% of it's present output a year until hitting 0 in 2026, the US would still be hitting over half of present demand covered by renewables in 2030.",0
"Technically speaking the US produces more energy every year with renewable energy than Germany does. Kinda silly to compare such a small country to such a large one.
 
I could cherry pick states too and be like South Dakota uses 85% renewable energy and Germany needs to step up their game.",0
"This isn’t data for October, this is data through October, so for the first 10 months of the year.",0
Does this mean fossil fuel power plants don't run 24/7? That's not what I was told.,0
"From the article: ""the Catalan government proposed introducing a scheme whereby cigarette butts could be redeemed for €0.20 each, which would add €4 to the current average price of €5 for a pack of 20. The scheme has not yet been introduced.""",0
I sincerely hope this happens more and more. I tried to walk a guide dog through a carpark that a KFC backs onto and it was a killing field of chicken bones that was impossible to navigate. So many companies manufacture litter without any responsibility. Make them and their idiot customers pay for their filthy litter.,0
"Slap a hefty tax on fast food packaging too. If they don't want to pay it, clean up your shit.",0
"In Germany and Netherlands you have to pay a €0.15 to €0.50 cent extra tax per can/bottle and recycle it in a recycle station (often a grocery store) for a refund or a store bond. Also there is a high VAT in these countries, no need to make things much more expensive",0
"I've not been to Spain much but I don't recall seeing a lot of beer cans on the roadside. Perhaps this is an issue localised to wherever you're from? And since you say soda, I'm guessing America.",0
"This makes sense to me because it forces at least one industry to deal with their end user waste. This could be a model for how to deal with other waste like fountain soda cups, fast food, etc.

There's been a push to ban cigarette filters for a few years now because they don't have any benefit for the smoker and they are a terrible pollutant.

Beyond that, keeping areas smoke free and tobacco litter free reinforces to youth that not smoking is normal and smoking causes a lot of yucky side effects.",0
Extended producer responsibility laws have proven to be very effective and not at all performative in most places where they have bee implemented.,0
They create the waste so it's normal to make them clean.,0
"Most definitely there are not plenty of smokers properly disposing of their butts. 

Here's some reading for you: 

From that link: ""In 2016, over 5.5 trillion cigarettes were sold worldwide [7,8]. It is estimated that >80%, or over 4 trillion cigarette butts are littered each year. Litter surveys consistently find cigarette butts to be the most common form of litter worldwide. In the United States, some 263 billion cigarettes were sold, and, assuming 80% were disposed of improperly, this would mean about 77 million pounds of cigarette-butt litter are dropped on the ground each year.""",0
Ever been to singapore and see how they deal with litterers or anyone who trashes their city? It’s crazy. It’s also probably why they have the cleanest city I have ever seen.,0
"Why is it unfair? They created a product that isnt biodegradable, that in itself should make them responsible for it. We need to realize that we should not have our citizens and consumers responsible as they are incapable of being responsible as a whole no matter how much you kick and scream for them to do the right thing",0
"""why penalize company that participate in the ruin of the world, it's just the fault of the consumers""",0
"Its an easy calculation. The company will just add the price on top and the consumer will either buy less or they will actually throw the away properly, which lowers the cost for the company (but they keep the price up regardless). In the end its cleaner streets, more profit for the company and less money for addicted people. Thats 3 wins in my book.",0
Also the whole lack of heat and externally exposed fluid is super duper nice for keeping maintenance costs low.,0
You never changed the blinker fluid? You monster.,0
"> and maybe brakes.

very few electric car drivers wear down brakes.",0
"with regenerative braking, actual wheel brakes would really only be used in emergency situations, so that is one less part to wear out. it really is mostly tires",0
"Brakes not much, regeneration covers 80%+ of that.

Tires can be massive though, burned a set bald in the first year, before I adjusted my driving settings and turned the acceleration settings down a touch, they've been fine since.

Otherwise I don't think we've spent a penny on it besides power. Had one ev basically sit in the driveway through all of covid, then start driving it again like nothing happened, just needed a tire replaced.",0
"If you accelerate slowly like non-electric cars do, the tires won't be an issue. That being said, accelerating quickly is worth the tires, assuming you like to have fun.",0
I'm totally cool with that collapsing.,0
"Exactly, so much less to maintain. So many fewer moving and wearable parts.",0
"True. It's also the reason why manufacturers have to demand a higher purchase price. The revenue stream of service and repair parts pretty much gets killed off.

Even worse: due to probably higher longevity of EVs over ICE cars they have to keep parts longer in stock and are also selling less cars per person per year. All of that needs to be compensated somehow. 

No wonder many are toying with the idea of subscription models for in-car functions.",0
No emission cleaning system (catalytic converter) and no emissions sensor suites.,0
Someone should sell a trailer with its own battery and motor. As long a trailer has mass and wind resistance it will reduce mileage. It does the same for ICE cars.,0
"What’s a smaller trailer mean to you? I don’t think they lose that much range with a landscape trailer. It’s the larger, boxy trailers that add a lot of wind resistance that are more of an issue. The F150 Lightening tests are very close to its max tow rating as well.",0
"Buying a new EV isn't the most environmentally friendly choice anyway, best to buy a used ICE car and keep it out of landfill for as long as possible.",0
A bizzare policy because I can't see how production and infrastructure can meet that demand in a dozen years.,0
"My payments for my Model Y are around $750 with $13k down. I am saving around $400-500 a month from using gas. And then the only thing I really need to replace is my tires. So it kind of works (what I tell myself), but yeah with insurance and shit it's not cheap.",0
"$13,500 after incentives for a brand new Chevy Bolt EV where I live seems like a pretty affordable vehicle, idk 
$15,100 for the larger EUV in case you want the extra legroom for the rear passengers",0
As long as the battery doesn't suffer a manufacturing defect or mechanical impact/failure there is no reason why they won't significantly outlast the rest of the vehicle. At the end of the service life they can also be recycled/remanufactured or repurposed for grid storage capacity.,0
"Hertz sells that cars well before this is an issue.  Generally you can get 3000+ charges and it won't die, you'll just see a reduction in capacity over time, but the battery management systems are getting really good and keeping them working longer and longer (by running in optimal conditions.)

In all likelihood you'll be able to buy reconditioned batteries at a very reasonable price once they start failing en masse.

But today, if your 10 year old LR Model 3 needs a new battery it will cost you $15k.  If you can salvage a battery from a totaled car or find a refurbished battery you might be able to do it for $5-10k. 

Other cars (with smaller batteries) will be cheaper, but also might need to be replaced sooner as the capacity loss will have more of an impact on usable range.

For long term costs...  today I use about $0.03/mi in electricity.  If after 300,000 miles I have to spend $15k you could add $0.05/mi to that cost.  It's still 20% cheaper than gas at $4/gal getting a high 40 mpg.",0
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The US federal government requires automakers to warranty EV and hybrid EV batteries for 8 years or until 100,000 miles in all states, **California State government boosted this to 10 years or until 150,000 miles (KBB, 2022)**. Some manufactures are going beyond this such as Rivian trucks which are under warranty for 8 years or until 175,000 miles (Rivan, 2022), or Tesla Model S which are under warranty for 8 years or until 150,000 miles which guarantees battery capacity over 70% over the 8-year warranty period (Tesla, 2022).

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when to most people get tired of the WHOLE CAR?

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Survey: Average length of car ownership in America  
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batteries cannot go in the car crushers.

**Old Nissan LEAF Batteries Being Used For Grid-Scale Storage In California**



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every single one of these has a battery in it. have there been massive reports of battery replacements - first ones were sold in 1997.

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>If you drive, say, 18,000 miles a year;

i'm guessing these guys don't see expensive battery replacements as being an issue in reality.  you simply **DO NOT MAKE A FLEET** of high maintenance vehicles - yet they're all ditching gas.

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**Hertz Order for 100,000 EVs Sends Tesla Value to $1 Trillion**

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**Amazon Wants 100,000 Electric Vans. Can Rivian Deliver?**

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"My 2013 has 177,000 miles and the battery has a little over 90% of it's original range.",0
"My 2013 Chevy Volt has over 100K miles on it and hasn't lost a single mile of range yet.  It's a plug-in hybrid, but it has run 90% on battery.  I put about 9,000 miles on it last year and used about 2 tanks of gas. 

I've owned the car for over 8 years and I estimate I've saved around $7,000 in gas vs. electric, I still have the original brake pads, so another $1,500 saved in brake work?  I get an oil change every two years instead of two or three per year, so another $1,200 saved in oil changes.  I'm on my third set of tires, where I would normally expect to be on my second set, so add $500.  Overall I conservatively estimate that I've save about $9k or $10k over the time I've owned the car.

When the battery finally gives out in 10 years, I won't replace it, I'll just get another car.",0
"Based on the official specs and actual use (there is a EV taxi/rental fleet that kept good records), Tesla batteries are rated between 300-500k miles with 1,500 battery cycles. At that point, you have to compare the cost of buying a new battery pack with installing an entire new engine in an ICE car.",0
"I have a 2012 EV with the original pack in it and it still drives like new (range is decreased but performance on the road is the same).

Batteries made now last longer than the ones made 10 years ago.

Life of the pack isn't a problem for any good EV.",0
"Do the math based off your phone.

Say after 2 years the battery only has 80% capacity but it has been cycled every day. That’s 730 cycles. 

Now for an EV day it’s cycled once a a week. That’s 14 years. Then factor in phones have no active thermal management of the battery nor manufacturers any real care of the battery lasting long than 2 years.

So it’s easy to see EV batteries lasting a very long time to where they’ll easily outlast most vehicles",0
"Batteries are improving all the time but my old 2017 has a typical (for our club) degradation of about 7% in 125K miles and degration is slowing. I bought more range than I need so 400-500k miles and I will need a battery. At that time the battery will be backup power for my house for a decade or so. Finally, 98% of it will be recycled.",0
"150,000 miles on my 2014. Still at 90% + capacity. At this rate it’ll still be at 80% @ 300k. I don’t expect the car to last much longer than that.",0
"EVs are also still too expensive for minimum wage workers.

That's why there still isn't that big of a demand for EVs with exchangeable batteries. People who can afford them are able to charge at home or at work.

Give it a few more years and there will be more affordable EVs AND more ways to charge them.

Of course you're likely going to buy used cars so give it another decade before you're even considering buying an EV.",0
Ride a bike,0
If you make minimum wage you'd only be able to buy a car that is 10+ years old (and that would probably be a stretch).  Check back in a decade and see where the market is then.,0
"Sorry to sound like an asshole, but if you're working minimum wage in today's economy, that's on you. Go apply yourself. Even low skill jobs pay 2-3x minimum wage if you look around.",0
If you have access to any power point you can charge any EV.,0
It's worse than anybody thinks. It's gotten so bad that now almost 1% of America workers now make minimum wage. ,0
"The average American spends around $3000/yr on gas. After five years that’s upwards of $15k right there.

Citation on Corollas lasting 3x longer. I’m pushing 100k on my Tesla and it’s basically good as new. Only “repairs” I’ve had to do are tires and wiper fluid.",0
"I bought my Kia Niro EV for around $40k about 4 years ago.Tax rebates brought it down to 30. If I would have bought one Toyota Corolla I would have spent enough in gas to buy a second Corolla by now. Give it a few years and my car will be much cheaper than buying one Corolla because the cost of the other 2 or 3 Corollas would be spent on gas.

Batteries last for a few hundred thousand miles at least. Toyotas are great but after a few hundred thousand miles I'm probably 5 or 6 Corollas in by now. I can just replace the batteries for a third of a Corolla.",0
"Tesla is in the lower end luxury market so comparing to a Corolla is nonsensical.  They also have huge margins compared to other automakers due to vertical integration and the signing long term contracts for materials earlier than others.

They have a huge backlog so why would they change anything for now?  When there's more competition they can make cheaper cars if they want.",0
"The corolla isn't a luxury car, dude.
$25,200 for a base Hybrid SE Corolla vs $25,600 for a base Chevy Bolt EV isn't that big of a difference. And a Model 3 is $37,890 and Toyota offers their Crown for $39,950 base, which is a much more Tesla-level car.",0
"Only because of profit margins. It's more enticing for a company to make a really high-end luxury vehicle than a more mass-market vehicle because of the sunk costs in such new tech. This is a big R&D field and will get cheaper over the next few years. 
There are cars, such as the Leaf and Bolt which can be found under $15k after federal and local incentives, but it's still a long ways away before we have cars as cheap as the Nissan Versa at $16,000 at base price.

In the next 4 years, especially, there will be major leaps and bounds in price, as well as battery technology. Things can only get better!",0
"It sounds like you got your opinion from a click bait fear headline.

In winter, two cars filled fueled, one EV and one ICE, stuck in a blizzard. The EV would last days longer.
Plenty of experiments have shown this. You are regurgitating false information.



Lots of information here",0
Serious question - how often does that need to happen?,0
Still cheaper than replacing your engine or transmission in a new ICE.,0
"Most industry analysts project that price parity of like models will be reached by the mid to late 2020s.  That's the unsubsidized upfront cost, once you factor in lower fuel and maintenance costs that's a financial no brainer.",0
Name any EV which costs 50% more than it's gas counterpart.,0
Do the horse shoe makers feel the pinch?,0
"Keeping money in people's pockets = bad, interesting take.",0
"This a very very good thing. They can now do other things, which will make all of society more productive and wealthier.",0
"> One thing to remember is that maintenance money translates into jobs and facilities. So mechanics and parts folks, repair shop cleaners and landlords, etc. will feel the pinch.


By this logic, we should get rid of excavators and earthmovers, and just give a few dozen people a shovel then? And get rid of dump trucks and replace them with wagon teams to haul away the dirt. How far back in history should we go for employment purposes?",0
"I didn't write this to be a detractor. I just think we should take a holistic view to deliberate disruption and offer people alternatives. And yes, you can lead a horse...",0
Studies have shown most people don’t want to re-job. Now what.,0
..what.. the title .. says,0
That electric vehicles are cheaper to maintain than ICE vehicles.,0
"America is way too spread out, and public transportation just isn't capable in much of the US.  Our country is 2-3 times the size of yours as well.  It simply isn't possible in much of the country.  I know,  it's a lot cooler to shit on Americans every chance you get",0
Ideally yes but that's not going to happen since people have to use cars in the society's we've created. If public transport can be radically improved even into rural areas then you're comment will be valid,0
Asinine trolling comment,0
"> the tech has gotten better it seems

What part of the tech has gotten better? The EV part?",0
"> Kinda wish hybrid technology had more of a spotlight again at the rate ev technology is going


They had close to a 10 year head start and decided not to do anything with it. I remember when hybrids received tax credits and companies never ramped up production of them in the same way. Now in many markets, EV's are making up a greater share of new car sales than hybrids ever did.",0
Batteries typically outlast the car. And next-generation solid-state batteries will last even longer.,0
I wonder how many engines and transmissions have failed on gas vehicles outside of warranty.... probably a lot.,0
About as much as it includes replacing an engine and/or transmission.,0
"Every EV battery currently available has a federally mandated minimum warranty of eight years or up to 100,000 miles.

100k miles is about $10k in gasoline (@ $3/gal, 30mpg).",0
"With replacing of the battery or the petrol engine at the mileage, electric car would be massively more cheaper. Duude. Only my diesel can compete with an electric car battery mileage, and even that one would consume several clutches and homokinetic joints, neither of which is needed in the electric car.",0
why would it?,0
A well sourced retort!,0
Replacing an engine or a transmission isn't exactly friendly on the wallet either.,0
Real world experience already shows that batteries last longer than engines and transmissions,0
A third party will step in and probably do a better job if that happens. There's enough of them out there for it to make sense. Tesla's not the only company making these things anymore anyway.,0
How many gas manufacturers have gone out of business? Same thing applies. There are many more EV manufacturers now than just Tesla.,0
"Given that they have about 1/10th as many parts, fewer types of fluids, no moving belts/chains, etc, then why wouldn’t they be cheaper per mile?

The battery is one major exception, but they’re made to last more than 200k miles so even the price per mile including a new battery isn’t dramatic after that.",0
"> the guy that says all EV batteries and smart phone batteries come from slave labor.


Most EV's are sold without battery chemistries that have Cobalt. And Lithium is predominately mined in Chile, Australia, and Argentina. Hardly bastions of slave labor. His guest didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.",0
"Where do you think all these other car parts, food, clothing, shoes etc come from?

Companies outsourced a lot of this labor for bottom lines and closed their eyes to where it comes from.
Which has also ruined the domestic manufacturing industry",0
It’s the same for cocoa/chocolate and coffee.. we don’t grow either of those beans in the usa. I’d say the whole battery industry has a ways to go to catch-up to a single company like nestle.,0
"Can you source the 3 times the consumption of petrol cars claim?
Would be interested to see the breakdown",0
Lol you’re literally a character,0
"We recycle batteries for very cheap and they are only getting cheaper. Battery electric vehicles have only been in the mainstream for 10 years or so and gasoline vehicles have been around for 130, so things can only look up from here!",0
What about the sound and taste don’t leave us hanging bro,0
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Ford: One In Five F-150 Lightning Trucks Made Is A **$40K Pro Model**

  


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Non-luxury prices also rose, but not as dramatically. On average, car shoppers in the non-luxury segment paid $410 above sticker price, a slight increase from October. **The average non-luxury car sold for $44,584.**  


>Factor in production costs 

every gallon of gas you burn started out as oil in the ground.

how much did it cost to bring it to you?",0
Manufacturing and assembly is much simpler as well. Currently vehicle sticker price is dominated by one component - the battery - but that's rapidly plummeting in cost. But even now the total cost of ownership over the life of the car is much cheaper than an ICE. Don't forget to factor in the fuel savings for every mile you drive.,0
"And spark plugs.

And alternators.

And independent starter batteries.

And exhaust.

And carburetor. Even though they ""last forever,"" they may need to be rebuilt.

And that's before a consider the rammifications of combustion at 540F in a cold engine adding wear in a different way than an electric car's system.

It's not straight forward.",0
"He didn't die. He is just retiring.

It would be a shame if he didn't live to suffer from the consequences of climate change. I want him to feel the regret. I hope his grand children have some hard conversations with him as the consequences of climate change become undeniable.",0
No need to be polite with evil people,0
Never met druggies have you? Overly elaborate schemes that usually fail on the first step are their bread and butter. Every once in a while the first step goes well.,0
"They were disabling security systems from local businesses by knocking out the power, they did it in oceans 11",0
The goal was likely to knock out power to nearby businesses so that they could rob them.,0
The pic says they went to a nearby business and drilled out a lock to steal from the cash register.,0
Some of the substations i visit for work have had the copper grounds stolen multiple times to be sold for drug money. Suprisingly more common then you think. Also the grounds are some of the only easily accessible copper that most likely won't give you a zap.,0
Burglary usually involves theft but doesn't have to. Entering a building illegally with the intent to commit a crime is all you need to meet the definition of a burglary,0
"The copper maybe? But like, if you managed to extract the copper from a live, grid scale, transformer, without vaporizing yourself, I say you've earned it.",0
"I have worked at such a business. Me and the other register jockies had to balance the register at end of shift; we kept five bucks or so in spare change in a drawer to even it up, rather than have to re-count etc.

(I was definitely in the ""seems like terrorism"" camp in our last discussion here.)",0
Has that been proven?  I haven't kept up with the story.,0
Yep.,0
"It always is about the pussy dems aint it and their 'gun control'. I hate Washingtons gun laws but just because something isn't 100% effective doesnt make it worthless. Also, this has nothing to do with gun control, so dont make it about that. This is about an attack on a substation, not a chance to make a one liner to own the libs saying they deserved it or whatever. Have your disagreements, but a policy disagree shouldnt justify violence, so just get out of here with that bs.",0
Really dude fuck off.  The power stations aren't guarded and the business was closed.  There was no one around to stop them period let alone a person with a gun.  Also there's barely any gun control regardless. Take a class and call it a day and don't be a felon. That varies by state though.,0
"Whatever you say, AdjectiveNoun1234",0
You are a clown with little self awareness.  We can tell just by this one comment.,0
I distill all my own drinking water then remineralize it 🙂. Don't trust the city water.,0
Occasionally called fixit cafes. The local maker groups always know where they are. Super nice people.,0
"There are good tutorials on YouTube for crocheted ragrugs. Erin Halvorsen and RagstorugsbyLora are two of the better accounts, imo. They don’t do them exactly like me but they have good beginner tutorials. I’m planning to start my own channel soon. I haven’t seen anyone do baskets like me although Erin Halverson also has basket tutorials.",0
"Oh my. So very sorry for your loss. I do take some commissions but I mainly make and then sell. I’m located on the east coast of Canada so location-wise, I’m sure it may be quite expensive for shipping. Perhaps there is a local artisan who can do something like this for you? I’ve seen some quilters make beautiful memory quilts from clothing. I’ve even seen memory teddy bears and cushions/pillows. Is there a community online page that you can post an ad for such a craftsperson?",0
Yes! I had a huge box of our family’s t-shirts and used about half so far. Not only zero waste but zero cost.,0
"I prefer to crochet a cord and then coil and sew the cord together by hand using the same fabric strips, whether it’s t-shirt yarn or cotton fabric. It’s hard to explain without a visual. I really need to upload a tutorial on YouTube.",0
There will be no harvests,0
jUsT dIm tHe SuN,0
"will the next summer be worse, same, better? We will all be watch India in April and May.",0
"Just don’t work outside
- elitists",0
lol and we don’t have air conditioning in Europe,0
cLiMaTe sAfEtY,0
Nvm the air conditioners. Why aren’t Asian resellers opening shops selling fans.,0
"Oh yeah, alot worse",0
Yeah… This is just January. I fear the coming summer :/,0
Did you just 'silver linings' the signs of a massively unstable climate?,0
"How is russia trying to use gas as leverage when y’all are the ones that put the sanctions on them? I’m not for the war or anything but it just seems silly to throw the general population under the bus like that. And it obviously didn’t stop them from warmongering either. Developed nations have no excuse for not having invested more in renewable energy by this point anyway, we’ve known about the climate crisis for several decades and it just kept getting swept under the rug to keep a handful of westerners rich. My country is one of the absolute worst because we still depend on oil being traded in our currency so much that the whole economy is tied to it, and apparently we have no issue with dragging the whole world into this oblivion for it.",0
what do you think comes after a massive heatwave? a massive cold snap,0
"In 10 years it will be ""unprecedented heat wave / flooding / winds / fires / storm cells have destroyed millions of farms across (blah blah) leaving farmers ruined and supplies restricted. You are now importing the entity of your seasonal crops. The farmers won't be able to recover and banks will close in. Corporate will buy up the ruins and put graduate staff to the task. Some will do ok most will absolutely fail. You, taxpayers will fund it all at some point as ""emergency farm help"".

The price of food has skyrocketed to unprecedented levels already. In 10 years?

We spend trillions on wars and the machinery of war. 50 billion on just one jet design.

We spend 0.1% of that on energy transition and reforming our ways of existence to better match that if of what our ecosphere demands. 

As soon as we do a chorus of idiots yell and bleet about tax money and corporate floods the corporate rags with advertising and advertorials on how silly it is.

And our leaders listen hard as corporate stuffs money into their trust funds

Please take your crucifix, one cross only

I don't want to live like this. We can do better and corporations can suck it",0
"It depends, are you looking at the last 100 million years, or the last 100 years?

The stuff we're seeing now is \[edit: nearly, see below comment\] worse than the ""business as usual"" forecast from the 1st IPCC report in the early 90s. I read the full summary for policymakers as a graduate student. I remember it clearly...

So, yes, ""most extreme event ever"" (let me add) ""...recorded across the European subcontinent since records have been kept"" (which is probably over the past 100-150 years if you look broadly).",0
"Don't think of the upcoming summer as the hottest of your life, think of it as the coldest of your life from now on.",0
We had 18C on new year in south germany … that is quite a bit to warm for mid winter here in the region,0
"It's the temperature anomaly that matters, not the absolute temperature",0
It's winter you melon head,0
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"But far, far less effective. We can thank our lucky stars our institutions are strong and rule of law robust",0
"Do you have more of the text? I am very curious about the connection but can't access the link. There was a lot of press about the possible connection between the attacks and a drag queen library reading, which seemed extremely speculative. It would be good to know more, if there's any new information available.",0
They are just trying to show us the dangers of privatized power companies!!... or.. uh.. something?,0
"The National Socialist German Workers Party was socialist.  It was also racist, fascist, antisemitic and nationalist.  I am not exactly why you leftists get to claim nazis belong to the right.",0
AwAkE nOt WoKe,0
"“Wake up people!”

Wouldn’t that make me “woke”?

“I guess!!!”",0
[this shit cracks me up](,0
Woke as an insult is just a badge of honour - it means you have empathy and actually would like the world to be a better place.,0
What the hell does it even mean?  Is it just journalists jargon?,0
"As opposed to … asleep? Ignorant? Stupid? 

I still can’t believe someone decrying woke-ism with a straight face.",0
"Republicans are all too simple to have any sort of reasoned conversation, so they always fall back on slogans, symbols, and one word insults.",0
But are you awake? You have to be awake to truly understand what it's like to be woke! Or some shit. 🤷 😂. I can't stand it either!,0
"Don’t forget that the only thing they care about is making money.  It’s such an obvious false-front.  They appeal to the 1% and say all the right buzzwords and distract them with grand and empty gestures and rhetoric whilst all the while their hands are in the pockets of their worshippers robbing them blind.  

Republicans absolutely will see the whole world burn, will see children suffer, will see old people starving in the streets if it means they get to keep their money and status.",0
Republicans can’t secure a speaker. Curious as to what their function is at this point.,0
/thread,0
"They clearly haven’t done the math because they’re anti-math, had they done the math they probably wouldn’t have lost a seat in the senate",0
They can't offer hope so all they offer is nope.,0
"They could easily engage in the war of ideas and actually offer competitive ideas about how to transition to green energy, protect waterways, etc etc. But frankly, they are too bought and sold and just too corrupt to even fake it.",0
"You're correct. My only addition would be that there will likely be just as many if not more people taking matters into their own hands that support the republican ""don't tread on me"" doctrine than those who are legit trying to salvage this planet.",0
"I’d like to believe that’s true, but unfortunately I don’t believe that at all. Propaganda and straw men will be created until the end. They will have the poor and disenfranchised continue to fight their fight. Like lemmings, 1 by 1 off the cliff prepared to give their lives fighting a fake war just to make their capitalist overlords better. Until eventually our greed swallows us whole.",0
Not easily. They dive so blatantly into open bigotry to ensure that their base stays angry and so attached to their unearned sense of superiority that they will happily accept being objectively worse off as long as groups they hate are hit just a bit harder.,0
The republicans are moving away from those ideals and moving towards populism/white Christian nationalism.,0
There are groups that believe in accelerating the collapse of our world so we(whoever survives maybe not humans) can start new/fresh......... these are not them.,0
I can never really trust people who believe in an afterlife. They are playing the game for such different stakes.,0
"I had this crazy lady approach me at a playground before the last election with a large diagram print out highlighting every ultra conservative viewpoint and which politicians agreed. Shortly afterwards, I heard her talking to some man and VERY enthusiastically saying “Yeah! The end is here! I can’t wait!” She was so excited about it. It was so disturbing. I got my kid and left immediately. It freaks me out every time I think about it. I wonder how many more people like her are out there.",0
"Agreed. So very, very much.",0
"> to support our country in what matters most.  

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40 BILLION dollars in new industry is a decent start..

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**Here’s where the new US EV ‘Battery Belt’ is forming – and why**  
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Combined, these facilities represent a potential investment **of at least $40 billion,** according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. All but one gigafactory exceeds 10 GWh of capacity, and the largest will exceed 40 GWh.

  
The gigafactories are being sited in the same geographical locations as the automakers because it simply makes sense from a supply chain standpoint. So the geographical region that roughly runs between Michigan to Tennessee to Georgia to western New York is becoming known as the Battery Belt.",0
One party is wayyyyy worse though,0
r/enlightenedcentrism,0
Woke is just a term they stole from black people and bastardized beyond all recognition or reason,0
"Look, it's a ""both sides"" troll. 

-1",0
The left isn’t really that focused on being woke.,0
Thank you for the recommendation! I love this sub and all the advice :),0
"Cocofloss is awesome! It's a little thicker than normal floss, I think it does a better job on my teeth.",0
"Just came here to recommend cocofloss as well! I have a repeat order of three rolls quarterly. I wish they weren't packaged in plastic, but it does have to be sanitary.",0
I've not found their floss to be sufficiently sturdy to hold up to high occlusion spaces.,0
I don’t actually subscribe to all of the tenets of zero waste. But tips like these make life feel way more natural.,0
"Is it made of plastic, or bamboo? Can’t understand from the website",0
These will fit a glide dispenser? My SO doesn’t like the refill floss I get from our local no-plastic store.,0
I just ordered my 3 month refills again last week. I love cocofloss!,0
Omg this is awesome! I didn't know them yet,0
That’s a good point! Wish they sold them in stores.,0
Upvote this everybody! A lot of people don’t know this!,0
"Great info. I get floss from etee which is made from silk and wax products, I'm sure there are other good alternatives too.",0
A glass container sounds HOT! Thank you for the recommendation. I will look into that brand :),0
I didn’t know this was a thing! Cool!!,0
You can buy the refill online from Amazon for example,0
Some insurances offer OTC cards and you can get a water pick with it for free,0
"and the headline is off,  this was for sabotage, not just burglary. Burglary was a 2nd motive.",0
I have one in Phoenix. Works great 😌,0
And heat pump dryers.,0
"Starting forty-five years ago I was in a climate where heat pumps were used. That was probably very early in mass-market deployment, though. A decade earlier, in the 1960s, ""all electric"" houses were being sponsored by the local power company, that were highly insulated with 50% thicker studs, but used resistance heating and not heat pumps.

Acceptance of heat pumps regionally is a factor of lowest expected temperatures, I think. If the local HVAC industry believes that ambient temperatures were low enough to engage the emergency resistance heating in a heat pump, they'd steer their customers away from them. But I know that the new lower-temperature heat pumps have already been resulting in a slow adoption in areas formerly heated by oil, propane, or gas. The low-efficiency non-condensing furnaces are the low-hanging fruit.",0
"In the UK they're many times more expensive than gas boiler, same running cost, and harder to find an installer who will do the job well. In other words there's zero appeal to a household, unless they have a lot of spare cash and are passionate about carbon emissions. We need serious government intervention to get them beyond niche status.",0
"We're in CT, and have to replace our oil burner in the next year or so. Water radiators, so no ducts, could you tell me more about your thought process of the replacement? Would you do tankless electric water heater? We'll probably be selling in the next 5 years, and think this new system could be a good selling point.",0
Newer ones work efficiently at -20F. Shouldn't even need a backup resistance heater,0
Its almost like there is an entire industry who is devoted to opposing the transition.,0
I’ve noticed this sub has quite a number of trolls on all the energy efficiency issues for whatever reason,0
It's amazing that with all the information about heat pumps that only 10% of the global heating/cooling is provided by them. I wonder what the reason is...,0
"The problem is the energy grid can't even keep up with current demands with reliability.    Add in more electric cars on top of that.  And if you have a heat pump you may still need a furnace as a backup when the temps get cold enough.  That may be a gas furnace or electric heating strips

Heat pumps also require more maintenance than a standard gas furnace and that is expensive.",0
But they're okay with the outside unit on the wall? The problem is the piping?,0
Sounds like this condo association needs a swift reality check.,0
Some attic insulation and air sealing worked miracles in my 1925 craftsman.,0
I live in MD and mine works great.  Granted it does not get extremely cold here.,0
"Might be time to upgrade insulation, I see lots of people strapping and putting on foam board to the exterior. Helps with cold transfer and adds a bit of R value. 1"" I think is about R5. Seems like an easier upgrade to the home than doing it to the interior. might also be an underpowered heat pump setup. Did you have a heat loss calculation done?",0
The winter performance has little to do with it being a heat pump system and everything to do with that system’s capacity and the insulation of the house. An undersized forced air furnace or wood stove would also fall short. It seems odd to write off an entire technology that achieves **efficiencies well above 100%** simply because it doesn’t work miracles when it isn’t applied well.,0
"Assuming it's wood pellets. The carbon dioxide they release has recently been in the atmosphere (for example 25-50 years ago I dunno how long trees live for). Whereas fossil fuels release carbon that hasn't been in the atmosphere in millennia. Hence why it's neutral.

It's the extra carbon dioxide we are releasing that has been locked away underground (i.e coal, gas) that is causing the climate change not co2 that trees have sucked out the atmosphere a few decades ago.",0
Better running a heat pump until it gets too cold and then supplementing with an auxiliary option instead of running a fossil furnace all the time regardless.,0
"Air conditioners work by taking heat from inside and pumping it outside. The end result is a cooler inside.

A heat pump is just that but in reverse, it pumps the heat inside.

Most units now are able to switch between these modes, to cool in summer and heat in winter.",0
"When a gas becomes a liquid it releases heat and when a liquid boils to become a gas it takes in heat from the environment. If you bring a pot of water to a boil, you’ll notice that a thermometer in the pot would rise in temperature at a steady rate until it reaches 100C. The water will stay at this temperature. Your stove is still adding heat to the water at the same rate but all of that energy is going into changing the phase of the water. 

Adding heat isn’t the only way to change phases. You can also do this by changing pressure with a compressor.

So a heat pumps works by using a refrigerant that boils in outside temperatures (say a fluid that boils at -20C). In boiling off it has taken some energy from outside. This gas is then compressed as it enters your house (this is where a heat pump uses electricity). At the higher pressure the refrigerant condenses into a liquid and gives off its heat. The refrigerant then goes outside where the pressure is lower and boils off. 

This is the cycle that’s taking heat from the outside for your houses and using the latent heat of phase changes to provide heat even though your house is warmer than outside. A heat pump still needs electricity for its compressor the heat pump itself can heat your home by 2-3 times the electrical input. That’s what makes them so efficient.

TL;DR you can move heat from a cold place to a warm place through the magic of phase changes.",0
"To add to the other responses, something like a resistive baseboard heater will take (for example) 1500 watts of electricity and turn 100% of that into heat.  A heat pump can move 1500 watts of heat ""uphill"" from a colder outside to a warmer inside using less than 1500 watts of electricity.  It kind of sounds like it's breaking the laws of physics, but it's not because the thermal energy was already present in the environment, just at a lower temperature.  There's a limit to how low of an outside temperature it will work at, though.",0
It converts ambient heat into concentrated heat using electricity.,0
like an air conditioner but reversable,0
"If you've ever used a can of compressed air, you'll notice it gets cold as you release the pressurized air. Heat pumps do the same thing - sucks in heat when it releases compressed fluid, then passes it back thru a radiator and fan to cool it off before recompressing. 

Now you can move heat from outside inside or other way (AC) for the cost of compressing gas. 

Also, mountain weather works this way as air takes on or releases heat when it loses or gains altitude (lower pressure higher you go). Look up Santa Ana winds",0
[Here's a good video](,0
"I'm actually curious if a substantial part of the demand growth is not driven by demand for heating but for cooling.  A heart pump is just an AC that can run in reverse, and Europe, like the rest of the world, is getting warmer.  Places that used to not need cooling in the Summer are starting to get hotter.",0
"I've rarely encountered hot water heating, so I don't know that much, but I don't understand why you'd change everything.

Heat pump based water heating systems are totally a thing already, and they just pipe into the existing system. You're just replacing one kind of boiler with another.",0
Does the UK look into district heating? That is often the best solution.,0
"A heat pump won't really save much if any money against gas at UK prices. Hopefully that'll change long term with more renewables coming online and gas becoming more scarce, but I think we're talking decades. We really need some strong government intervention to make this happen. Good on you for doing the right thing though.",0
"Moving heat from one zone to another is very much more efficient than turning chemical energy directly into heat -- even when you factor in efficiency losses from turning the original chemical energy into electricity, transmitting it to a home, and using it to pump refrigerant through condensers and radiators.  And long term, we expect to replace most of those natural gas electric plants with renewable solar/wind/etc.;  this replacement won't help the heating unless you switch to electric.

edit: some numbas:

A high-efficiency gas furnace turns about 95% of the combustable gas energy into heat.

A high-efficiency gas power plant turns 50-60% of the gas energy into electricity. National averages show about 5% loss from transmission and conversion. You get about 45% of gas energy arriving at your heat pump (as a floor).

An air-source heat pump moves 250-500% as much heat as its input energy.  250% \* 45% => 112% which is greater than the 95% you got directly burning the gas in your furnace.  Even with fossil fuel powered electricity generation; heat pumps make sense, as we move to increasing amounts of renewable electricity generation, they make more and more sense.",0
You can move 2-5x as much heat per energy consumed than you can get by just converting that energy into heat.,0
"While heat pumps do require electricity, most of the time it's still better to use them over natural gas for heat. Most natural gas power plants are around 50% thermal efficiency (50% of the heat that is released by burning the natural gas is converted to electricity), while most heaters are around 95% efficient.

Where heat pumps shine is their coefficient of performance is somewhere around 3-5 or more, depending on the outside temperature. That means for every joule of electricity consumed, it will result in 3-5 joules of heating in the house. It does that by moving the energy from the ambient environment into the house. So even though the power plant is 50% efficient in terms of turning the heat from burning natural gas into electricity, that electricity can be multiplied by 3-5 times of effective heating in a building.

Obviously if you live somewhere that is very cold for a long period of time (below \~10°), there may not be much benefit of moving from a natural gas heater to a natural gas powered heat pump. However that climate isn't an extremely large part of the US. Also, electrifying heating has the additional benefit of becoming more clean as the grid becomes more clean as more wind and solar power come online. Overall it doesn't make sense everywhere, but they are a great option to install now especially if you are already going to be installing a AC unit.",0
"A heat pump running off of gas will heat an area better than burning that gas, it’s more efficient. And then as we switch away from gas sources, even better.",0
"it's more efficient to move heat into your house with a heat pump run on a natural gas generator than it is to burn the natural gas to create heat.  


just in case 1000 people haven't told you yet.",0
"A heat **pump** and an electric (resistance) heater are not the same.

The electric heater you're actually talking about will turn 1 electric kWh into 1 thermal kWh.

Meanwhile a heat pump will turn 1 electric kWh and outside air into 3-4 thermal kWh and much colder outside air that gets carried away by the wind.

And just like that the thermal kWh produced by a heat pump is cheaper than the thermal kWh you get from burning natural gas.",0
"It's a logical question to ask. And yes depending on where you live your grid is probably >50% fossil fuel powered. But I think most major utilities have near carbon zero goals. So the idea is that as the grid gets greener, your electric appliances carbon footprint shrinks.

Will be interesting to see how all this electrification affects demand on the grid. Were gonna need a lot of batteries, lol",0
They are around 300% efficient because they move heat.,0
Heat pump is the best kind of electric heater.,0
"> Here in Quebec electric heat is greener.

I don't get it. A heat pump is an electric heater. (Just not a electric resistance heater.)",0
"Electric heaters are forbidden in parts of Europe and heavily discouraged in others, they consume ungodly amounts of electricity. A heat pump will be 4x to 7x more efficient.",0
"And a heat pump is even greener, because it uses less electricity than resistive heating (down to certain temps depending on the heat sink).",0
"We have a heat pump in a 1974 house. It must be combined with better insulation at the roof and walls, but then it works extremely well and efficient. New heat pump models achieve also higher temperatures to work with radiators.",0
"The same thing that happens now and everyone's nat gat/oil furnaces stop working. 

People either have a back up heat source (wood) or generator.",0
"Well-insulated buildings will tend to be comfortable for 24 hours without heating and cooling. Poorly insulated or retrofit buildings will need some backup heat well before that.

I've used propane catalytic heaters indoors, and a propane fireplace.",0
"Fair question. This is a multifaceted issue. The heat pumps help reduce the demand of natural gas, same as electrifying your other appliances. The other side of the coin is to both decentralized and strengthen our power grid.",0
Wouldn’t the power for your hvac also be out then? How would you turn on your furnace if the electronics are down?,0
Newer systems with low GWP (global warming potential) refrigerants are the answer to this problem.  And well trained (paid) hvac mechanics!,0
That’s not true. Refrigerant leaks do not dump CO2. It dumps HFC and HFCFs which do contribute to the warming of the climate.,0
">If you live somewhere where it actually gets cold, you certainly can NOT rely on one.

Your information is way out of date. Newer ones have been announced that work at -20F and lower.",0
Hyper heat tech gets down to -10F - mini splits are already in high demand now because of this,0
I was just looking at specs for an air water heat pump and they are saying cop of 2.5 even at -4f ambient Temps. That's really impressive,0
"Ones with a ground loop can work regardless of outdoor air temperature, and there are even air transfer models that work to -20F.",0
">If you live somewhere where it actually gets cold, you certainly can NOT rely on one.

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In case you’re dying to know the answer, I’ll go ahead and blurt it out right here:  **Yes, heat pumps work in Minnesota and in other really cold places, too**.  Today I’ll tell you about one particular house in Minneapolis, Minnesota that’s been heated with a heat pump for the past four winters.  It’s the home of Gary Nelson, founder of The Energy Conservatory, which makes the Minneapolis Blower Door and the Duct Blaster for testing air leakage in homes and duct systems.",0
Is it broken? People use these in Sweden in way colder temperatures,0
Mine works down to -20 *C,0
I’ll open my window with my air conditioning on to help cool the climate /s,1
"Yea, who saw it coming? /s",1
"No, all of those problems actually come from vaccines, PFAS are 100% safe. /s",1
"Socialism has worked well building up the oil and gas industry like tax incentives, why wouldn't it work well with alternative energy too???  /s",1
The power station just jumped out in the way of the gunfire! /s,1
Pfft those things aren't nearly as important as treasured cultural milestones like m&m's in sexy high heels /s,1
Bring back coal stoves!!!  /s,1
"But we'll just make them smaller and more modular and mass produce them. Then the economies of scale will mean having one big reactor that can have zero mistakes will be cheaper than many small redundant things like solar. /s

They can also get more complex and run hotter with more corrosive coolingso they can have thermal storage and load flow but also be simpler and run cooler so afterglow can be purely passive.

Then we'll build 100 times more burner reactors, but the demonstration where a little bit more plutonium was bred than U235 was burnt one time but never separated means they have unlimited fuel and won't be entirely useless 6 years after being finished.",1
"When Jesus returns, he will only punish the homosexuals and not people that intentionally destroy the planet. /s",1
"Didn’t you see? 100%! Frictionless materials, here we come!

/s",1
"But didn't you hear? The shaded parking lots or ones with trees which are specifically exempted mean this could never work. Similarly the currently hostile legislation environment which inflates the cost 8x means having a non-hostile environment will keep prices the same.

And they're ugly! Wouldn't you rather see a disconnected mishmash of billboards and store fronts with corporate logos?

/s",1
"I think we can all agree that if Bill doesn’t visit Kenya personally, humanity is doomed. /s

He should have just said “do you even know who I am?”",1
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all day. /s,1
"Come on... The guy's a genius. He used his parents money to buy his friend Paul Allen's business idea (Microsoft) ... And had his mom introduce him to the chairman of IBM who desperately needed an operating system... He lies and says that he already has one and pays his friends to run all over town trying to find one. Eventually one of his friends finds a guy in Seattle, Tim Paterson, who made a clone of the operating system that Apple was using. He pays the guy $50,000, and ends up the sole owner of the standard operating system for most of the world's computers. The man is clearly quite brilliant. /s",1
Because wind and solar are completely unsubsidized... /s,1
"Yeah, why don't you Americans overthrow the government with the largest military presence and power on the planet? *smdh* lazy Americans, they revolted one time a couple centuries ago and now they're just done. Just vote out all the corrupt politicians and vote in the *checks notes* future corrupt politicians! So simple! Just overthrow the largest corporations on the globe and oust your system oligarchy, what are you waiting for?! 

/s",1
'Cos no rich person ever threw a bunch of money at a dumb folly. /s,1
If we just deregulated everything.... /s,1
There’s a guy deep in the woods who doesn’t talk to anybody who might be the person who should talk. /s,1
"Not Texas!

/s",1
"What? Make an article that has useful information to help inform your decisions for the future with data and different points for “what if we did this?” To help further your decision making? Absolutely ludicrous, see yourself out!  /s :)",1
That’s the goal! /s,1
"Coronavirus, obvs /s",1
"I guess this is the only way to get more investment in renewable energy

Woohoo for greed I guess/s",1
"Because oil and gas are famously problem-free industries. /s

There will always be problems to solve. They are already researching new battery alternatives that don’t have as much negative impact.

Keep up with the “head in the sand” mentality, though. I’m sure it will work out just fine in life.",1
"So climate change is going to make kids smarter? Checkmate lefty scum!

/s",1
"Well yeah, it sucks but you can’t blame Norfolk Southern for putting profits over safety/the environment. How else would they buy back 10 BILLION of their own stock for the benefit of their shareholders? Someone, think of the profits!!

/s",1
"dude it was just 3 birds and an opossum, get over it   /s",1
Scientists are just agents of the deep state. /s,1
At least it’s not a drag queen!  /s,1
"We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Agrivoltaics are a thing, and shade can be good for plants at times.   
Floating PV arrays are a good thing though. However, it's more visible so people in article complaining about 'ruining the environment' will complain even more.  


Of course, if you forgot your /s then...",1
"Why would you complain about bias and misinformation and then say things like ""net job loss"" and ""added 12M jobs"" without mentioning that was 100% Covid related and has no bearing on the medium or long term health of the economy. Comments like this are so brazen it's amazing someone can write them without an /s and feel clean afterwards.  We have a very mixed economic set of conditions right now. Job growth strong. Worrying inflation. Lending conditions are freezing up. All of these things can be true and should lead to a nuanced discussion on the economy, rather than some nakedly partisan propaganda that appears cut and pasted from political talking points.",1
"Okay hear me out; how about we just make a dedicated pee corner in the pool… 
Surely it won’t afffect us in the other corner of the pool….  
/s",1
">the only way to protect nature is to quickly build renewables

Bees affected by pesticides? Build renewables.

Overfishing caused low wild fish population? Right to building renewables.

Amazon forests are being cut down at massive scales? Believe it or not also renewables.

/s",1
One side put in place a solution while the other continually tries to sabotage it. I guess that's roughly equivalent. /s,1
"You mean to tell me our representatives don't actually write the laws that they all vote on?  You mean to tell me they simply get paid and bribed to vote in the interests of those who lobby them?  Are you saying our democracy is hopelessly corrupted by money?

Well, I don't believe you.  That just can't happen in the U.S..  /s

Anyone have that video link of a Senator openly admitting with a smile on camera that they hand out checks from special interests groups right on the senate floor?",1
"But haven't you heard?  The earth has always been in a state of flux, and it was really cold in southern California this year.  So take that liberals trying to force a new world order!

/s",1
"Easy fix.

Just put AC units next to the permafrost to keep it from melting. Also obviously we use more aerosols to keep that masking up!

Boom done your welcome

/s because i wouldn't be surprised that someone would actually think this.",1
50 feet of snow so far are  Lake Tahoe as of two weeks ago. Naw. no bug deal. /s,1
"SHUTUP nerd! With your college degree…..NEEEERD! Welcome to Costco, I love you! /s",1
"Just a few more lithium mines, that will solve all of our problems /s",1
But think of GM!! /s,1
"My fellow American, I am absolutely disgusted that you would think of such a commie idea. Think of impact that such “infrastructure” would have on small businesses like Ford, GM, and Tesla! Furthermore, the trains were used in the Holocaust which happened, or didn’t, depending upon what stupid political point I want to make next! If we have trains, car dealerships will go out of business! Think of the small car dealership owners! The trains will make it easier for the horde of migrants amassing over the border to invade ‘MURICA!

/s


In reality, God what I would do for some sexy public infrastructure. Hm, hmmm! There’s a park that’s literally a less-than-5-minute walk from my house; however, it’s fenced off and the only way to get access to it is to walk down several sidewalkless streets in a round about way to a parking lot which houses the park. It’s only used for little league games, where everyone drives to get there.",1
It’s confusing when the weatherman discusses climate./s,1
"We should plan an international meeting to talk about setting up a way to talk about it

/s",1
Providing shareholder value. What else is there? /s,1
It’s just summer /s,1
"Giving money out to companies with stipulations on the money must be met, such as: must employ American workers and pay them a competitive wage = government control? 

Guess we should give out more PPP loans with no government requirements or stipulations ..that worked out so well /s 🫠",1
Yep that was deplorable /s,1
Antifa is peeing in gulf and making it warmer. /s,1
"Everyone knows it was the 10 windmills that broke the system in 2021. Those damn renewables……. That’s what Abbot said.  
 
/s",1
"This is just a sign of the free market working as intended.  You dumb libruuls will never understand.

​

/s",1
"If only there were some way to generate electricity without using coal /s

Overall, if the powerplant is burning coal to sequester itself, then your baseline is not having the plant at all. Because the sequestration adds extra coal usage",1
"Forget it, it's just Chinatown./s",1
"also its pretty cold there so its not like it'd actually be warm -- which means it probably isn't a problem.

^e:/s",1
"Stop telling the truth it’s soooo negative! You’re a DOOMER! Crystals and unicorn farts and magic carbon offsets are going to save us allllllll! Get this, we’re going to create a whole new stock market, but it’s for nature. We’ll sell stocks in trees and clean water! /s

The term “doomer” was invented to immediately shut down the conversation. It’s the DARVO for Wall Street polluters. No so called  “doomer” is saying to not do everything we can to make CC less awful.",1
"Dont worry we can just plant more trees remember?

Everything will be super after we calculate how many extra trees we will need to replace each year after the ""Biggest forest fire yet!"" events...


/s obvs",1
"But they are all paid off by the climate hoax billionaires

/s",1
"Yeah it would be so much better for climate change if he didn’t say anything about it, lest he be judged for something else unrelated to climate change./s",1
Cruise tickets are an amazing sustainability experience also! /s,1
"Same here in BC. The really crazy part is that I can wear a tshirt at 3am outside and it is warm. Like wtf...

When I was a kid (30ish years ago) we would be wading through snow to get to the bus stop in October. We are also seeing summer temperatures of +45°C. Which again, when I was a kid 34°C was a hot summer.

But climate change is a myth. This is totally normal for our climate /s",1
"But Ben Shapiro said people will just sell their houses, duh /s",1
"Ya, I watched the movie too! Why didn't anything happen? I mean we all watched it right. I mean, like, millions watching a movie does something, right? It's like, going to a protest does something, right? Remember how many people protested the Iraq war? Millions! And we managed to stop it from happening, remember? /s Unless people are actually willing to put in the work to get politicians to do what the people want, or to become politically active yourself, watching movies and going to protests do nothing but make you feel better like somehow you did something. People want other people to do the hard work of organizing or applying political pressure. In people's defense, we are not taught how to do this because the ruling class does not want us to know how to get rid of them.",1
"That’s ‘cause Al Gore is a goddamned liar DEMOCRAT! How could there be ANY truth that comes outta his mouth?? I know, ‘cause Faux News told me so!  
/s",1
"No, see you don't understand. If the government takes more of my hard earned money, they'll solve all the world's problems, real or fictitious. /s
Every day there's another proposed tax and people are like, ""ok, save us Government!""",1
It's all about entitlement- the rich are entitled to the rich keeping them rich or getting them richer - and the poor are entitled to the rich keeping them poor or making them poorer. And in that way we are all equal /s,1
">Sometimes economic reasons make the most sense.

Just do what's cheap! Ignore the physics! /s You can't just run hydrogen in infrastructure made for natural gas. It's actually pretty tricky to transport [",1
"Yea, those Russians really have made things bad for us the last 20 years! /s",1
But at least they have a goal to become carbon neutral. That’s what really matters here /s,1
But we have tons of oil based fertilizers. /s,1
Has no one heard of arctic adapted Pygmy corn? /s,1
At least this isn’t the first time we’ve decimated a fishery. We ruined the cod industry in Atlantic Canada many years ago. I’ll confidently assume we’ve now learned our lesson. Forgot to add /s,1
But then you could just capture the carbon from those fossil fuels... all the way down. /s,1
"Because driving in an EV that uses about 4x less energy is that much of a drop in standard of living.

Because heat from a heatpump that is 3-6 times more efficient then oil and gas feels that much different.

/s",1
"Of course they'll care. Do you know how much oil might be hiding under the land mass there?! 

/s",1
"But, cement emits carbon dioxide. That's no good... Drive!

/s",1
"But you don't understand,  hydrogen round trip efficiency is only 30%. There is no economical way to make hydrogen viable. /s 

Unless as a natural byproduct of renewables you have excess generation where 30% hydrogen  >> 0%    curtailment.  It also has the added benefit of leveling load.",1
">Every indicator say the economy is doing good.

You act like this benefits the vast majority of Americans. Trickle Down Economics has been proven many times over to be a sham, a strong economy only benefits the wealthy and people who own assets. The working class gets absolutely decimated by high inflation as wages simply do not keep up.  


>Inflation has fallen considerably

Tell me you don't understand how inflation works without telling me you don't understand how inflation works. Inflation going down doesn't mean that prices go back down, it just means that prices don't go up as fast going forward. At this point it just seems like you're regurgitating talking points you're seeing on the news and not actually using your brain on this one.  


>But people live in their doom echo chambers and cry about the sky falling. Sucks to be you'all.

Ah yes, how dare people be poor and struggle in today's booming economy! /s   


You are a bona fide asshat. You have no idea how the world works, you're the one inside an echo chamber.",1
"But what about my single-issue voter tendencies, self-absorbed worldview, and self-centered opinions? /s

The problem seems that we cannot convince enough of us to stop being what I described above. And we won’t be able to convince enough people until that “down the road” dystopia that you described. Unfortunately it seems the people in charge lack foresight to see that eventually they will also be effected directly by the consequences of their actions. It’s almost like people firmly believe they won’t be affected by the things they see around them. Denial is a perfect word for it.",1
But only when it comes to overseas shipping /s,1
"Yes, but CAISO almost started rolling blacksouts once! That counts! 

/s but I'm sure it's said unironically on certain news sites. The reality is California has power outages at a rate that's about average for the US.


Site links to source",1
A 5 mg dose of Fentanyl comprises 0.000005 % of the typical male. It's such a peanuts argument to believe Fentanyl is a toxin. /s,1
"But have you tried beef /s

But I honestly think the beef in Europe, the middle east, Asia is not up to par with north and south America. American beef is fantastic and a trip to Brazil will blow your mind. I avoid beef when I'm in Scandinavia, Europe, the middle east, and Israel because it's just not very good in comparison. 

There's a saying Republicans live to lean on and that's once you give the people something you can't take it away. What I mean by that here is that those of us who were raised on it will likely never give it up, we may substitute here and there but what will make the difference is raising their kids on it. If you don't know any different it makes it easier. 

I hear vegans moan about how their soy based bacon is better than the real thing. Those people are either delusional or have never tasted bacon. 

I'm sorry but I consider myself an environmentalist but I'm still gonna eat beef the same as some pescatarian who tries to lecture me while they're shoving tuna into their face, which is basically one of the largest crimes against nature humans have ever committed.",1
"That's commie talk....


/s",1
"Yeah it's good to know. Maybe I'll just drive cross country in my big pickup truck instead of flying. /s

That is indeed a weird one. Plus I thought if you need to go somewhere flying was always better than driving in terms of CO2 ?",1
">I don’t believe this for a second. It was pretty cold here today

 */s",1
"No, everything is going to stay the same progress wise for 12 years. /s",1
14% of them actually think we as humans can give up animal agriculture given the choice of imminent death at the cost of our burgers.  Those 14% are fools! /s,1
"Eat bugs, live in a cave, and walk everywhere! /s",1
"It will go from pH of 8 to 24 

/s",1
"""hydrogen fuel""? So they add in hydrogen from fossil fuel sources. Nice back door /s",1
My family makes about $130k. I’m not part of the problem.  YAY!   /s,1
But we still have enough time to avoid 1.5c right? Right!? /s,1
"But wait, the IPCC claims it's not that bad!

/s for sure because some people still think the IPCC is accurate.",1
Listen we offer healthy options. (One salad is offered) It has nothing to do with the fact our portion sizes have more than doubled over the years. People are just lazy! /s,1
"It's not post-truth, just ""alternative facts"".

/s",1
"If climate change is real, explain the ice coming out of my fridge! /s",1
"Funny comment, but forgot your /s",1
"Clearly this is counterproductive since its a call to violence right? Let's try writing strongly  worded letters, or online petitions or voting in the right kinds of politicians, or protesting or any number of peaceful options that clearly has worked to lower global emissions. /s",1
"but we need it for workin

and also china is gonna kill all of us any

plus its a globalist conspiracy to take away my giant pickup that i use to house my fragile ego...   

totally owned bro

​

​

​

​

^(/s <--- for those who need it)",1
They said the science doesn't support cutting out fossil fuels. They must be right. Climate change is a hoax. /s,1
"6,000 or so./s",1
That sounds scary!    /s,1
"That's a lot of water and once dried a lot of air you're putting into that hole.

Without the /s we should be using much more lumber to construct high rises. That keeps the carbon trapped for a long time while also not creating new CO2 from producing cement.",1
">Of course we respond to this by electing a former oil and gas lobbyist as our premier.... smh

Aren't humans intelligent?  And, so rational! 

 /s",1
"Before humans and everything else go extinct, we are going to have some good years./s",1
">What about climate gate? All the many scams. Will the community not address those at all? It’s not helping your cause

Among the tens of thousands of scientific articles about gravity, some have contained incorrect data. Some have been written by scientists who exaggerated findings to try and get more public recognition.

Ergo, gravity isn't real.

And for that matter, science isn't real.

All hail Breitbart, the one true source of knowledge.

/s",1
Ur forgetting that our former president invented clean coal /s,1
I'm trying to understand your willful ignorance of the suffering involved with losing up to a third of the worlds food. Did you drop a /s,1
"Yeah, coal and oil extraction around the world is SOOO clean. /s",1
We have to tell these people to get off the welfare system and go get a real job.  I don't want my hard earned tax dollars going to them!   /s,1
"Lol, you forgot the /s",1
Yea that’s beyond stupid if not /s,1
">But tailpipe emissions is such a small aspect of the overall emissions from vehicles. Tire and brake wear are bigger contributors. 

You forgot the /s",1
"As a result, we are self regulating with the resultant heart disease, cancer, and diabetes from eating meat heavy diets.  /s",1
"Well Biden in his 2023 accomplishments stated his administration ""tackled climate change"" so problem solved!

Edit: Ugh I thought it was obvious that this was sarcasm as the climate crisis was clearly not solved. /s people, /s",1
Amazing how only Taylor Swift used private jets.  /s,1
"Hydrogen, obviously. It's just around the corner! (/s from me, but Toyota might be serious)",1
"If it's off the chart, just stretch the chart.  Problem solved.

/s",1
What other warnings? /s,1
Oh well then. Back to business as usual I guess. /s,1
"Yup, CPC help CRRC to steal 350km/h High Speed Rail from United State of America. Bad china. /s",1
"Large scale hydro [or other gravitatational supply] is not as casual as you seem to think, because it takes a LOT of mass to store a moderate [by our standards] amount of energy. 

Let's say we want to supply electricity to a thousand Americans for ten hours, roughly ""overnight"" . Or ten thousand Americans for an hour, like half a football stadium for half a game. Math Below, we need a 200 meter cliff with 27,000 tons of water at the top and a place to put it at the bottom. Not counting losses. A ton of water is a cubic meter, so we're talking about roughly an olympic-size swimming pool 20 meters deep at the top and bottom, if I'm doing my math right. 

... now for a typical city we need a couple hundred of those. 

Not a small problem. 

Math Below: 
An American uses about 1.5 kW of electricity on average. You can look it up, or check your electric bill, or go to EIA.gov if you don't believe me. So we're talking about 1.5 kW/person * 10 hours * 1000 people, 15 000 kWh or 15 MWh . 1 watt-hour is 3600 watt-seconds, or 3600 joules . So 54 000 MJ, 54 gigajoules. 

Gravitational energy is mgh. If we have a 200 meter cliff with a pond at the top and a pond at the bottom, and we are on earth (g= 10 m/s^2 ,  close enough) we have 54 x 10^9 kg m^2 /s^2 = 2000 X m^2/s ^2 , X =27 x 10^6 kg . 27 million kg, 27 thousand tons. ",1
"Start handing out buckets.  See, he's a job creator!  /s",1
Can't believe the Chinese were able to pay off the Pope! What a cuck! /s,1
But mah protesting and mah agenda.  Facts and reality doesn't matter as long as I feel good at the end of the day.  /s,1
"The DOD considers it to be a national security risk



but of course that's probably just lib'rul obama forcing his leftist agenda on the patriotic military

EDIT: /s",1
"But the average viewer can't tell the difference, and the President just said it was fake. So there. /s ",1
"> Yeah, but China. /s

FTFY",1
Yeah it's only the home by which all 7billion people in the world and all of previous generations have lived on. No big deal if it goes to shit /s,1
He wants to take away office jobs and turn everybody into coal miners and factory workers obviously! Take that you yuppies! /s,1
"How dare you make so much sense! Screw you buddy. You come in here making truth statements like this, invading my safe space(Reddit)how dare you. Can we please get someone in here to edit this jack ass' comment. /s  ",1
"But Trump is a Nazi, so it is okay to lie about him. Also, it is okay to physically attack anyone we consider a Nazi. /s ",1
"Nope, Republicans literally want to end life on Earth.  

/s",1
"Fake news. /s

Actually I don't even know if that's sarcasm anymore.",1
"Don't you get it? This guy was appointed to protect us from the environment, not protect the environment itself! /s",1
"It's an example of an agency that is ripe for the GOP agenda of ""defund, degrade, privatize"" because if it was properly funded, enforcement would be stronger and we can't have that cutting into profits /s",1
Who said money doesn't have value? The only way to live is to maximize your $$$ score! /s,1
"> Proponenet ""Sharia Law"" 

Stop being dishonest  with this very mis-leading implication.  You are making it sound like Linda Sarsour is a proponent of Sharia Law as the law of a Nation that we are all subject to, not simply the code of her Religion, that she chooses to privately follow (Just as the more orthodox people of all sorts of religions do.)


Linda Soursoir is a practicing Mulsim that follows some moderate aspects Sharia Law  (just as devout Christians follow their selected rules, and Jewish people follow Kosher and more Orthodox Jews follow rules getting closer to to more strict Sharia Law) -- and has never once argued or suggested that Sharia Law should be the actual Law for all, which is what many peoepl will think when you claim someoen ""is a proponent of Sharia Law.""  

Where's all the Right's outrage that Jared Kushner is proponent of Kosher Law!! He even forced his GF to convert to his religion in order for him to marry her!! The horror!! /s

Could you imagine how the American-Right would have spiraled out of control if Obama had a daughter that converted to Muslim to marry a Muslim man, and started wearing a head dress, and following Sharia rules?  Never-Mind if he gave that daughter and Son the power Jared and Ivanka have.


",1
"Right, why should anyone protest when clearly we have jobs to do? Dumb protesters, just let the big boys make decisions. /s",1
"You didn't know that he's in charge of the entire government? Obviously anything that happens for the next 3.5 years is entirely orchestrated and executed by Donald himself.
/s",1
Why should they get 30$ an hour when EMTs are only paid 12? /s,1
but what about THIS Quarter?!?! /s,1
you're forgetting the second coming of Jesus bro... once we hear the clarion call of the Lord we get a do over.  /s,1
"Silly libtard, it's actually high doses of vaccines that cause cancer.

/s",1
Making America great again!!! /s,1
"The Good Old Days! 

/s",1
"That's cool, I really like Call of Duty and Fallout! /s",1
"Let the free market handle it, people just wont buy power from companies that pollute! /s",1
I would add a /s juuuust in case.,1
"Well, asbestos... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^/s",1
"> People are in danger because of it.

Woah woah woah, I'll have you know that ExxonMobile stocks jumped an 1/8th of a percent. I don't know about you, but putting thousands of lives at risk is totally worth that 1/8th of a percent that a small number of stockholders actually managed to benefit from. /s

But in all seriousness, when you really break down and examine how little money the ultra wealthy in America are willing to accept for putting the entire country at risk, you realize that these people are the most morally bankrupt and absolutely despicable citizens in American history.

I mean this in all sincerity: Charles and David Koch for instance, pose just as big a threat to this country as Vladimir Putin, and Putin just fucking Manchurian Candidated an election.",1
"Look, if climate change were real, it would fucking terrible, and any responsible action to reverse it would be so massively inconvenient to my way of life that it can't POSSIBLY be acknowledged as fact. (I'm actually getting angry just thinking about it)

It's totally unacceptable, and therefore must be a conspiracy cooked up by literally thousands of scientists whose sole aim is to work against my interests (and all that is holy). 

/s",1
Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh /s,1
"Even ignoring climate change, we've seen what pollution does. Just look at huge cities in China, and what the air looks like.

I'll usually question them as to where the pollution goes. If I dump a bunch of shit in your pool and let it sit there, would you want to swim in it? They'll usually drop the issue it squirm out of it.

If we do nothing and are wrong, we end up like Venus. What if we create a better world for nothing! /s",1
"My goodness yes, we must be careful with our language to avoid being too harsh on people who's dishonest and incompetent decision making resulted in people dying. /s

This kind of genteel centrist hand wringing is why the environmental movement can't move people to do anything. ",1
"Science, it's all a bunch of liberal propaganda anyway! Am I right? /s",1
"But.. what about big solar? 
There's no such thing as clean batteries!
Obviously the liberals are pushing their agenda to disrupt the industry, and develop expensive technologies for profit! 
/s

For real though, that's what I see and hear a lot. It seems it'd be easier to accept a paycheck for denying climate change, but okay.",1
"Yeah, fuck hunters who pay huge sums of money to conservation for the chance to hunt problem elephants that hurt the herd and get a trophy. We should make those sanctuaries have to pay hunters to kill problem elephants. /s",1
"Nuclear would be cheaper if it wasn't so heavily regulated, broh!

/s",1
"I think we need some good old global warming to heat up that negative attitude of yours!

/s",1
"> absurd regulation

Reducing air, water, and land pollution is absurd?

Yes, how dare people try to push for cleaner energy production (cleaner than ""clean coal""), which would also create jobs. 

Those pesky libs, thinking of people's health all the time. Why can't they just just think of money for once! /s",1
"^ Found the government shill/oil lobbyist.

edit: b-b-b-but rules! Don't challenge authority. OBEY! /s",1
SPIN TIME-- maybe companies are just polluting 49% less often! /s,1
But he's a friend and advisor of the president! How bad can he really be? /s,1
"Crime is something poor people do. This is perhaps against the law, but certainly not criminal. /s",1
The US is bringing asbestos back and opposes breastfeeding because it hurts formula manufacturers. So yes this was very surprising indeed.. /s,1
"No libtarding 

/s",1
"So clearly you should make it worse by relaxing regulations on car emissions.  
/s",1
Clearly the answer is to eliminate all plant life. /s,1
"But how can the world be getting warmer if I'm able to bring a snowball onto the senate floor?

/s",1
Checkmate liberals. /s,1
Hey what has the USA ever done?! /s,1
Ya fuck that Bezos guy. What kind of asshole spends billions of dollars on helping homeless people.  /s,1
"Shut up! I need my phone updated every year how else can I play Diablo! /s
",1
/s,1
It’s only a degree and a half. /s,1
"Guess I can stop studying then, thanks for opening my eyes 
/s",1
"We'll just let capitalism do its thing and corporations can mine asteroids for lithium! It's the only way, guys. /s",1
">Fuck people who disagree with my views!

Your originality knows no bounds. 

Please, teach us this amazing wisdom! /s",1
I agree. So you mean something like...”Do you want to make America great again?” /s,1
Please tell me you just forgot the /s,1
"Tom Wheeler was a cable lobbyist that enacted Net Neutrality, therefore his brother will enact climate neutrality! /s",1
oh that makes it all ok then /s,1
Venus being too close to the sun must have nothing to do with it. /s,1
What?? You don’t love her epic and totally relatable clapbacks? /s,1
Ya us Russians have to get hard to work to make the new green deal sound stupid /s,1
Cool hopefully being atheist doesn’t impact that. Also saving up 30k for adoption fees are no big deal. /s,1
"Is it? Tell me, have you ever driven a car? Flown a plane? Used anything made from plastic? Hypocrite! /s

The «owner» of the emissions is the purchaser of the oil, not the seller. That is how international emission accounting works.




",1
"...the extreme left-wing environmentalist movement which has seized control of a once-noble party of this great country is obstructing the progress which the people demand. At a time when ordinary Americans are struggling to make ends meet, we must put all options on the table to help alleviate their pain and suffering—we would be cruel to deny them the relief they seek.

/s 

(Is this bullshit straight from the ass *really* that much less substantive than half of what politicians vaguely promise and talk around, though?)",1
"Yes, and those heavier material would not cost the environment anything because of the emission gases /s",1
But at least they’re owning the libs amirite? /s,1
"""You see this snowball in May? WHERES YOUR CLIMATE CHANGE"" /s",1
"50 years is generous but yeah fuck it.  
/s",1
Trickle down. The rich will make us all rich. /s,1
"This is so true it hurts. We are all guilty of this, including me. 

Everyone wants someone else to sacrifice so that they don't have too. We all want to remain pampered pets no matter how badly this planet is hurt by it. We want our cake and eat it too. 

We are the ""Thoughts and Prayers"" generation after all. Sending happy thoughts so long as you aren't the one who has the roll up the sleeves and get down in the dirt.

It is going to take no short of a full dismantling of all world governments/societies/economies to fix this now. Our generation and the next will have to be willing to suffer for it.

Superheroes cannot save us from this. Gods and goddesses cannot save us from this. Our world governments are unwilling to save us just so that they can profit off of all of our demise. The poor will suffer the brunt if this demise while the rich will try to Noah's Ark they way out and off this planet. 

It's not going to fix itself. It's not going to get better. This is it, folks. We have a front row seat to our own extinction and all we are willing to do is pass the popcorn and watch it burn.

But, you know, thoughts and prayers, everyone. /s",1
"Yeah, lets give people even more guns and let them hunt for food, great idea!   /s",1
no if u are doing 10% of good it doesn't matter if the other 90% of what u do is bad 😤😀 only judge people by their good fraction /s,1
But who wants to eat a cactus or copy paper? I'm cool with plates and napkins but definitely wouldn't eat paper with ink on it.  /s,1
What do they do for the cancer from all the wind turbine noise? /s,1
Drop an /s,1
But how would we read the health warnings? /s,1
"Now selling our national parks to private interests, now THAT'S an idea! /s",1
What a terrible world it'd be if a rich man got richer by investing in a sustainable future. /s,1
just add some phosphor to sea and you can produce tons of it ;) /s,1
"Electricity from coal plants? Get a rake, you lazy environmental terrorist. /s",1
"That's one of the biggest problems with plastics. Unlike most things, it's cheaper to make new plastic than to recycle existing plastic products. So putting something in a plastic bag/s is a lot cheaper than anything else.",1
"Hey man, leave my Gunpla alone!

/s

Seriously though, I was interested in building a Gundam robot from one of those kits. Then I found out how much plastic bits I was going to throw in the recycling and thought ""Yeah. That's a problem."" Especially considering the large number of fans of these toys that are becoming increasingly popular thanks to conventions.",1
"Yeah, where is this God damn global warming? I'm freezing here. Hoax! /s",1
"Gotta branch out past the planet and start ravaging other planets, moons, and asteroids for resources. Just give it some time Elon's working on it. /s",1
"I'm an American. I'm dug in. And I'll never change

Edit: Let me pop a quick /s so no confusion",1
"The best achievements. I know achievements better than anybody...

Is this stupid fucking charade still not over?

Who do I return this timeline to? I don’t even need to exchange it for another. I’ll happily exist in a void of nothing. /s",1
How else are you going to learn how to life hack! /s,1
"I think Paris’s existence is enough to sustain the gay community /s 

But yes, that would be hot",1
They need it to spread their free washing message. “Look how we are investing in renewables! No matter is less than 1% of our total profits” /s,1
"Yeah, but think of the money they will save consumers by not properly disposing of their waste. That's how you make the economy grow. Look at Hubei province. Sure they may have irritated lungs from breathing polluted air that makes them more vulnerable to flu-like bugs, but their economy grew tremendously!
/s",1
"> Groupthink attacking scientists without basis.

FTFA: “The Earth-sun distance varies over a timescale of a few centuries by substantially less than the amount reported in this article. As a result, the editors no longer have confidence in the conclusions presented.”

But, yes, this whole Earth/Sun orbital mechanics is clearly a 4-century old conspiracy....Everyone knows that.  /s",1
"According to d!ckhead, only his golf course is affected, and the rest it is a Chinese hoax. Read this piece by Written For Money, and this piece by Republican Hack. They explain why all the science is wrong, and why Republicans own the lib'tards. /s
Of course the crisis is real.",1
Can't wait to get me some newborn grizzly meat. /s,1
Hard to imagine how organic farms function at all isn't it? /s,1
"Exactly, likewise I wonder how people can see snow coming down around them and still tell you there's global warming^/s",1
"They’re cooling the planet


/s",1
"When The Amazon is gone, then they can regernerate by plantning trees /s",1
Yeah let’s give the government more money. They surely won’t create more waste. /s,1
"But the market is doing great!

/s",1
"Yeah, nah. Maybe we could run 'em on coal? /s",1
"But those oil companies don't make enough money to cover the costs of business, they *need* that free money. /s",1
"What part of ""renewables suffer when oil and gas is cheap"" did you people **not** understand?

/s

I swear, it's like when people said ""real estate always goes up in value"" back in 2008. The fact that renewables have made major gains this year as oil and gas have gotten cheaper says so much. A major shift has already happened.",1
But what about the market though? /s,1
I’m sure you can buy some from Amazon. /s,1
I didn’t catch the /s at first just because of the sheer number of people who legitimately think like this 🤦‍♀️ glad I checked the sub I was on before losing all hope.,1
Along with a lot of cancer /s,1
But what about the venetian stock market and venetian shareholders. /s,1
You dropped an /s there,1
"Ha! That just PROVES that those previous ""hottest"" years weren't that hot! /s",1
"> President Biden is off to an amazing start, rejoining the Paris Agreement. 
  
Have we found out what the residents of Pittsburgh feel about this?  /s",1
"No shit! As soon as Biden got inaugurated, I told my boss to go fuck himself and quit. /s",1
Environmental laws are targeted regulations now? The more you learn /s,1
But... libertarian paradise... onerous regulations.... /s,1
It’s clearly Biden’s fault /s,1
"Nah bruh, it’s unnecessary. We’ve only had this level of cold weather in 2021/2014/2011/1989. This is basically a once in a lifetime event!

/s (hopefully obvious)",1
what about the trillions of birds killed per second by wind turbine? so much for environmentalism /s,1
"regulations just hinder the job creators man! 

/s",1
"Well maybe if global warming continues, you will need less clothes aswell! :0 
/s",1
"Because people don't get it, here's this:

/s",1
My city is enacting a plastic bag ban. Don’t worry. It’s going to save the world /s,1
Just throw them away and replace them./s,1
Fuck you. My lawn is already dead and dry! /s,1
"But you see wind plants cause cancer! I heard it from only the most reputable sources and they say the issues with it are bigly!

/s",1
Yeah they normally like bathing in oil spills /s,1
"Bro, you can’t overhaul your life to run a home garden big enough to sustain yourself and only buy seeds from the store? Sounds like you’re part of the supply chain issue /s",1
"Nah, it’s fine. We didn’t have anything like that here in UK. /s",1
Well they need to power the new charging stations /s,1
"“You’re nervous about nothing, just stop looking up!”

/s",1
"Opinion: The mass extinction is good for the economy! 

/s",1
We need to allow the carbon polluters time to transition to clean energy (like clean natural gas) otherwise they will go out of business /s,1
"At least you can have more than your neighbor! Even when he can't eat, as long as you have a few grains of rice you win, right?^/s",1
You are just too stupid to understand all the cool big words he uses /s,1
Ben Carson was convinced the pyramids were grain silos. I demand history books be updated to reflect this. /s,1
#Bro you just have to watch 17 hours of him talking and read his books to fully understand what he meant /s,1
"But windmills kill birds!! /s

It’s just so hard to read this bullshit and know half the country is ignorantly eating it up.",1
">They could completely close off any hazardous stuff from the surrounding environment without even making a dent in their finances.

Yeah, but the fish, deer, and other wildlife residing in the area aren't shareholders though. /s",1
They're actually going to be carbon negative then. Fewer people = fewer emissions 👍 ^^/s,1
But think about the poor industries that keep the military industrial complex going! What are we going to do with all that money? Put it into universal healthcare? Infrastructure? Education? That doesn't sound very billionaire-friendly... /s,1
"Its cold in my backyard. Therefore global warming cant be true.

/s

Do people actually think this is an intelligent argument?",1
"adding salt to the area increases the salt in the area, who would’ve thought ^/s",1
"Well if all these activists would get off their asses and think of a solution to how corporations and politicians can monetize the sun and the wind, maybe we could have it. /s",1
"yay corporatocracy

/s",1
So time to award Nobel Prize or something for such extraordinary vigor to save the humanity. /s,1
"Yup let me just withdraw 60k to buy a Tesla real quick, so I can then charge it with electricity powered by coil and oil, on an electric grid that can’t support the entirety of the US using Electric vehicles.

Why didn’t I think of this before!? /s",1
"I remember watching a video on YouTube doing a basic 4 quadrant analysis on whether or not to invest in preventing climate change. The result was to do it and prevent climate change. 

I'm so glad no one listened to his well reasoned analysis. Or any other scientists analysis over the last hundred years.

/s",1
"> Yea take these nukes online again and start your reliance on russian Uranium today! /s

Hey, come on. Australia is happy to sell you as much uranium as you want, and we haven't invaded anyone lately

(Don't anyone remember Iraq, don't anyone remember Iraq oh damn I said that out loud)",1
"This is exactly why I wait as long as possible before I do laundry 

/s",1
How can he siphon off the russian peoples money if hes gonna build a future for them. /s,1
"Yes, because it’s an all or nothing game. /s",1
"Nah, I'm sure it's totally fine. We can adapt man /s 🥴",1
"But my feelings are more important than science based ecology and conservation 
/s",1
"Some napkin math:

Assumptions:
 - Average coal-fired plant efficiency in the US: 33%
 - Energy density of coal: 24 MJ/Kg

So 18 Gigawatts * 3 = 54 Gigawatts thermal
54,000MWTh over 24MJ/Kg equals 2,250 Kg/s

So approximately 2.25 Metric Tonnes _each second_

Apologies for formatting, using mobile.",1
"Plastic is bad because it will poison me, obviously. Not because it poisons the planet. /s",1
Just think of the carbon footprint reduction for each child you kill. They really are green machines. /s,1
What if they slap a rainbow on that bad boy? Call it even? /s,1
Can't wait for the floaty chairs /s,1
"Yeah, can we get back to the REAL news? /s",1
Less oil but more use of brake fluid - which is a million times worse!!!  /s,1
Exactly! Nothing like a little capitalism to bring forth the most empathetic and selfless humanity has to offer! /s,1
"I'm sure Elon is on it

/s",1
"But that would hurt the single use industry!

/s

But seriously, that’s probably what they’ll argue…",1
"Maybe the multiple people in this thread that work in the DWR, etc.? Nice point though /s",1
"Yeah sorry buddy, money can only be used to make the world worse. 

/s but in our current political/economic form it is true",1
While communism cared about the people /s,1
"Ohhhh ya and we’re just supposed to trust ERCOT over Ted Cruz?!


/s",1
"But that would imply that Cruz and republicans are lying. That can't be right.

/s",1
"Well its the consumers that are to blame. We are so greedy. How dare you even suggest that mega corporations should have to make changes. They are the ones putting a can of beans and 3 baby carrots on your plate. They are the ones that continue to sell you the same gas at a 30% increase.

How dare you? Ungrateful.

/s",1
"> He doesn't have a ""gas price"" dial on his desk that he has set to ""10"" right now, folks.

Well, I’ve heard from conservatives and a little bit of Facebook research that Biden is to blame for everything, and is simultaneously a weak, powerless old man and a diabolical mastermind who has affected gas prices *all over the world*, so who knows *what*  to believe! ^^^/s",1
is this /s bc if not you're tweakin,1
"Why stop there, we should increase it to 30$ per gallon and tax the shit out of car ownership. That will scare people straight. Maybe just walk to work… /s",1
Just as their god intended.../s,1
"When the rivers are polluted, and the ground is barren, and the animals have all gone the capitalist will find that you can't eat money

Don't worry, the eventual bread riots that happen will start when the Great Plains dry up should clear this all up /s",1
Climate change brings heat. Nuclear war brings cooling. It’s the natural order.  /s,1
2/50 senators are blocking change!   Pretty much the same as the party where 50/50 are blocking it!  I can't even tell the difference.  /s,1
They have a constitutional right to explode fireworks.  There is no drought. Its just a scam to deprive Texans of their liberty. /s,1
Vote harder! /s,1
"Not everyone will be dead, the have nots might suffer but the haves will be ok, and that's what really matters in the end <3  /s",1
That would be bowing to the existence of woke carmakers try’na get rid of glorious gas n diesel! /s,1
"You're starting to sound like some commie socialist 

/s",1
"Ah yeah, grid defection, that's great! /s",1
">And of those, only during the winter storm was I without power for more than 30 minutes.

Some people were without power for 3 days. In a winter storm. But it's cool though, you were without wifi for 30 minutes. 

Source: [

Also, 246 died during the storm. But I guess that's fine too.

Summary: Let's downplay the seriousness of a first world country losing power randomly during extreme weather events (winter storm, heat waves). /s",1
Solar panels are lib technology! /s,1
What a laugh! But please don't forget the /s next time!,1
"Yeah, but have you seen the gas prices? /s",1
Sounds like that tree was a deepcover leftist *plant* to further the agenda of the globalist socialists trying to take away our freeeedooom /s,1
Hope you forgot the /s,1
"I'm totally with you.

Let's reopen a bunch of coal mines and plants until we don't have the perfect solution.

/s",1
Yeah! Burning coal and natural gas is non-toxic and the better alternative. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! /s,1
"Oh, no.  Not at all.  /s

Higher temperatures mean that there's more energy stored in the rain and more water per cubic meter of air.  So, expect deluges that wipe away everything to be much more common.",1
"People keep talking about how much land would be used for solar. I just keep pointing out that there's land effing everywhere that's not being used. Parking lots, rooftops (esp industrial--those big flat roofs), roadways, aqueducts. I even read an article that said it was beneficial to farmland as too much sun was drying the land out. Thinly placed solar panels actually improved production for many crops and reduced water evaporation significantly. 

But oohhh, there's not enough land for all the panels we'd need. /s",1
"No you’re totally fine. Ice is different from water.


Just in case : /s",1
Hey this year Earth Overshoot Day was only 1 day earlier then in 2021. That's a win ^^^^/s,1
"Surprise, surprise /s",1
… to New Zealand. ^/s,1
This is Texas! Summer is always hot./s,1
"Get out of here with all your logically sounds arguments. Libtard. 
/s",1
Those leftist want to ban cats because cats are too good of a judge of people and they get in the way of their dog's mission to drag us to hell /s,1
"Yea going to 46% renewable really bites them in the ass these days. Thanks joe biden aah i mean obama, uuh german greens. /s",1
Concern that the blades can’t be recycled. /s,1
"I had no idea they were in food packaging too... I'm sure that will have no consequence.

/s",1
"I mean yeah; but at least we made a profit



/s",1
"Yeah, lotta coal in Washington State.  /s

",1
"Um no, I’m pretty sure it’s the vegetarians who are insufferable when people eat differently from them. /s",1
"Nah, just a lot of poorly secured Soviet era windows, nothing to see here. /s",1
"Modern turbines have a very high cut off number (25-30m/s), which is gale force and the risk to the turbine and components is too great so they just free wheel into the wind. Up till those speeds the blades are constantly pitching to achieve max output. Turbines are incredibly clever these days and even use LiDAR to adapt before the wind hits the blade. Most large turbines will produce from around 4m/s and up to around 25 M/s. And I only meant uncomfortable because I work on the blades off of ropes and our limit is 12m/s but at that speed, when you are hanging off a 150m turbine, the wind really starts pushing you around!!",1
I'm sure it has all to do with Marxism and nothing to do with having to rebuild their country after being totally destroyed in the Korean war while under a punitive sanctions regime /s,1
Taking care of the environment is the same as a dictatorship! /s,1
"You're right, Germany or the US shouldn't have any nuclear power plants, an enemy nation might shell them.




/s",1
"Ahh. The subtle conspiracy that Biden might be behind it.

Because from a realistic point of view it is much more likely that the US secretly shipped in a lithoral submarine which then carried special forces to destroy civilian infrastructure of one allied NATO member in the territorial waters of another allied NATO member instead of Russia being behind the attack. /s",1
"Thanks Brandon

/s",1
"I think everyone can understand that the *FIRST* time you do something, your run time is not going to be very long. 

""The Wright flyer only flew for a period of 59 seconds. Otherwise it was on the ground for the rest of the 23 hours, 58 min, and 1 second. Click bait title.""/s",1
 But we throw back the little ones /s,1
"You know it's bad when even an American feels it's too much pollution and consider his homeland as a place with decent air

 /s but not too much",1
That sounds fun!   ^/s,1
">the only thing that really happened

That's right, only one thing happened /s",1
"All the same things can be said for Germany, Netherlands, Denmark...

Yet they all have vastly higher shares of renewable energy.

[

But hey, invest in a technology that takes 20 years, is 10x more expensive and relies on Russian fuel. Good job. Way to go /s",1
"At least, do it all the way! Make it to a 100%!! 

Come on Murica, just do it! 

/s",1
You need an /s there or people will not get the sarcasm.,1
"Haha, you need to make sure you put the /s at the end otherwise people will think you're serious. 

People just need to be rich, what's the big deal. /s",1
"Yes let me rub dry paper all over my butt. Wait, why does my butt hurt? And why does it not feel clean? /s",1
You’re an extremist. /s,1
Oh man but the KFC plant based chicken that looks like rubber is so appealing! /s,1
"I don't know, 0.01% of publishing climate scientists say it might not be so we gotta hear those perspectives too! /s",1
We have fusion for that now. /s,1
I'm sure someone will come along presently and claim that fluorescent lightbulbs uphold republican values or similar /s,1
"Yes, ""they"" don't want you to know that. /s",1
">Against all odds overtook BMW, Daimler, Volvo, Mazda and other brands.
  


On the stock market.  
...is that supposed to make me believe its not overvalued?

&#x200B;

>Still growing 50%+ year over year

Recoverying to pre-COVID-19 numbers is not growth.

&#x200B;

>Built the world's largest and most efficient factories

This claim is not even wrong.  
Its such a vague piece of non-sensical bullshit, that it cannot be evaluated.

By what metric is it the most efficient?  
By what metric is it the largest?

To me Tesla gigafactory's \~0,92km^(2) floor area seems lower than Foxcon's longhua plant's 3,2km^(2) floor area...

...and i really hope you realize that ""most effiecient"" pure bullshit unless you put some unit next to it.  
Most efficient in electricity use? in total qunatity, or in costs incurred?  
Wastes least amount of material per vehicle created? by volume? by mass? by value?  


>Has the highest margins in the industry

Oh ye,s, overpriced luxury brands are famous for providing the wast majority of the products in their segment /s

Let's be honest, if your market evaluation is based on hopes that the company will be selling majority of cars globally, then profit margins associated with luxury items are detrimental to the goal.

&#x200B;

>Became the eighth most profitable car company with only two assembly plants

Where are the high dividends then?

&#x200B;

>Leads in automation, robotics, and AI, including end-to-end hardware design

Oh yes, since Tesla opened shop, NOBODY buys stuff from KUKA, Fanuc, Stäubli, ABB, or Yasakawa electric!

Sarcasm: OFF

You either have no fucking clue what you are talking about, or you are a paid shill",1
"//s or nor //s?

I can't tell how it is with the cult of Tesla...",1
"So instead of supporting 'real' green energy, the decision was made to rename natural gas ('fake') as green energy.. Genius!  /s",1
The Ohio officials are going to have a hard time reclassifying all those toxic chemicals as non-toxic. /s,1
"Yeah, just like 9/11 when Christine Whitman, head of Bush's EPA, said it's safe to return to Ground Zero a few days afterward.

And nobody got cancer ever.... /s",1
"Well it's a good thing every single republican in the country is working hard to get rid of all regulations and legal accountability for companies, just would't be America if this didn't happen alot more and with no accountability. /s",1
"Wars over resources?

Wow, never heard of that before /s


I just view it as natural selection and population control at the global/Civilization scale",1
I'm just excited our electric bills have been dropping rapidly. /s,1
"Damn, didn't know hydrogen was dangerous
/s
Context(tritium is a hydrogen isotope, hydrogen 3, ie hydrogen with 3 neutrons)",1
What about collisions between whales and the blades? I heard someone was deeply concerned about that possibility. /s,1
Wow. Texas is getting woke. /s,1
"But what about all the private jets?

/s

I'm getting really tired of hearing people who participate in sustainably subs make these lame whataboutism arguments. It's clear what we need to do.",1
But now you have no idea what's inside. Its probably just used kleenex. /s,1
Man the gay agenda is something else /s,1
"Yeah, but Margerie Taylor Greene says climate change isn't real because planets orbit in space. /s",1
“You don’t fight a war that way. That’s not how we did things in WW1” /s,1
"I pay $40 a week to drive to work each week in Texas on tolls, but hey we have no state tax. /s",1
Oh no how unfortunate.   /s,1
"Absolutely right. Too bad there is nothing we can do about it. Cycles and shit. Not really humans.

We just need to do more of the same so we can survive what earth is doing to us. /s",1
Yeah but at least they don’t have any woke solar farms. /s,1
"A lot of rich people are doing really great, and that’s really what matters right?

Edit: this is sarcasm folks… /s required apparently lol",1
These billionaires need to start reading these books instead of buying $60M beachfront properties that will be underwater in 5 years! Stupid billionaires. /s,1
But Jordan Peterson told me everything is fine /s,1
Is Nestle in the area? /s,1
Gym or alcoholism- the two hobbies with the smallest CO2 production. /s,1
">Jeff Bezos' superyacht 'Koru' produces 7,000 tons of carbon emissions every year

So you're saying I need to eat less meat to help reduce my carbon footprint?

/s",1
So this means that in the future electricity bills will be lower right? /s,1
"It’s probably better to genetically engineer a species of trees that grows ridiculously quickly, but can’t breed on their own…
Just grow them in areas like West Virginia where they have large holes the in the ground so when you chop them down you have a place to deposit all of that carbon.

/s",1
"I think climate change is responsible, but who has time to smell the roses or check the data, right? /s",1
Oh shit here is a idea that will blow some of your folks minds!!!....plant trees...oh snap!!!...that some crazy shit right there/s,1
It's not global warming. It's just El Nino. /s,1
This is normal!!! /s,1
"Because California's natural gas stove ban went so well. /s

Why do democrats hate natural gas so much? I support more green energy, but natural gas is also a necessity.",1
"When I think of how close we actually came to having a president who once used a private email server just like her predecessors… I’m like whew, thank goodness we got the racist NRA guy who’s going to bust up the unions, take away peoples healthcare, fleece the treasury, ignore climate change, and give all our military secrets to Russia… wow that was a close one. /s
",1
"NASA Exposed in ‘Massive’ New Climate Data Fraud


NOAA’s climate change science fiction


The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever


EXCLUSIVE: NOAA Relies On ‘Compromised’ Thermometers That Inflate US Warming Trend


The Long-Range Climate Forecast Goes Bust


Sea level falling for past six years...


Claimed 3.2 Millimeters Per Year Sea Level Rise Seriously Challenged By Recently Published Scientific Papers!


Antarctic Sea Ice Has Not Shrunk In 100 Years


Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 - they were wrong


Congress: Obama Admin Fired Top Scientist to Advance Climate Change Plans Investigation claims Obama admin retaliated against scientists, politicized DoE

""A new congressional investigation has determined that the Obama administration fired a top scientist and intimidated staff at the Department of Energy in order to further its climate change agenda, according to a new report that alleges the administration ordered top officials to obstruct Congress in order to forward this agenda.""


---
Oh ya, there's is no reason to doubt the climate mongers and their ""The sky is falling theories""/s
---",1
"*promises millions of jobs*

*has a hiring freeze*

Yep. He's really doing this country good. /s",1
It's way too dangerous to go camping anyway with all the drilling and cutting lumber going on this summer /s,1
They didn't add those jobs! They just stole them from our hard working coal miners! /s,1
Well maybe the animals should migrate legally! /s,1
"Elon Musk proposes that South Australia spend $125 Million on batteries from his company, rather than the $55 Million it would cost to install pumped-hydro storage at Spencer Gulf.

Gee whiz, Mr. Musk, where do I sign up? I'm sure I shouldn't look at other options and should just assume that you only sell your products for altruistic reasons. /s",1
"Now that it's deregulated maybe we can finally get some of that high quality drinking water that only the free market can provide.

/s",1
"If climate change doesn't exist, why bother cleaning coal? /s",1
It’s great to see corporations step up and do the right thing for the environment.  I wonder how much profit is generated by removing straws from the supply chain?  /s,1
"I can't wait until Trump nominates a steward of the ESA that is a huge hunting advocate and who wants to set up a bartered hunting system for the species on the list.  I mean, we could make a lot of money by charging people the privilege of hunting an endangered species.  /s",1
Except you just murdered two trees.  Edit: apparantly needed to put /s for the smart folk,1
"The stages of Climate Change Denial strategy:

&#x200B;

1. Climate change doesn't real.
2. We don't know if climate change is real or not.
3. Okay, maybe it's real, but we don't know if the cause is human activity or it's a natural cycle.
4. Okay, maybe it's real and it's caused by human activity, but it's probably too late to do anything about now.
5. Okay, let's not blame oil companies for funding climate change denial and/or the media for presenting it as an open debate instead of hard scientific fact with worldwide consensus.
6. Let's blame India / China / third world polluters for everything while continuing to drill for that sweet black gold yo.

Congratulations, everyone, we've moved from step #3 to step #4. We're winning! Yay! /s

&#x200B;

**Edit:** Pictured here is step #3 in action: ",1
"When I think of how close we actually came to having a president who once used a private email server just like her predecessors… I’m like whew, thank goodness we got the racist NRA guy who’s going to bust up the unions, take away peoples healthcare, fleece the treasury, flout the constitution, accuse the media of lying, nepotism, ignore Human-Caused climate change, and give all our military secrets to Russia… wow that was a close one. /s

trump was right about running the government like he ran his businesses.  *sociopathic, shut down, and his employees aren’t getting paid.*

“Mexico will pay for the wall.” 

“Americans will pay for the wall or I will shut the government down.” ",1
Of course. Corporation profits over food safety and lives /s,1
"Well,  the man said that 10 seconds should be enough time to get to the next section of ocean. Seems legit since we all know how poorly water transmits sound and how sectioned our oceans are. /s",1
"Oh no what about the farting cows

&#x200B;

/s",1
"Coal being buried in the earth makes it more accessible than wind, considering.  At least it’s always there. /s",1
"I for one never know who to believe...those billionaire climate change scientists or those poor, hard working, not a red cent to their name oil company executives.../s",1
"It's ok, our glorious leaders will just use [solar geoengineering]( to save us and it's cheap! That way we can keep subsidizing big oil (think of all the children whose parents work for big oil, you guys) *and* not suffer the effects of climate change.

Worst case scenario [a few people die]( from the effects of geoengineering but hey! Eggs and omelettes amirite? :)

/s just in case",1
Surely this will help average Americans! /s,1
"Yeah but how many people got Cancer from the windmills?
























^/s",1
8.1million out of 8billion. So about 0.1% impact. Where do I sign up? /s,1
"Me too. I’m going to plant 1 trillion seedlings /s



This is like the 10th country that said they were going to plant seedlings but don’t have the infrastructure to do so. Most of these countries will probably dump a bunch of seeds in the ground and forget about them",1
"Man all those leaf blowers running for a few minutes here and there are really ruining the planet. /s

Edit: 🙄",1
"Be careful, if you don't clean these used pencil cases out correctly you can get lead poisoning. Always better to use a brand new one for things that go in your mouth. 

Edit: Haha I didn't think I'd actually have to put /s after this... But I guess I do.",1
"The difference is that the fishing industry doesn’t have a direct contact with consumers. So we can’t see it so we don’t think about it. Out of sight, out if mind. If only we learnt about object permanence /s",1
"So you’re telling me nature keeps balance and by destroying it we upset equilibrium? /s

Great news, I knew trees were one of the best options but I didn’t realize it was this good. Also keep in mind trees aren’t the only carbon sink, restoring prairies, swamps, and the species that live within is also a great measure to lock carbon and restore ecosystems.",1
"I never knew Kentucky was so beautiful


Edit: I didn’t know I needed to include the ^/s",1
"Bezos gives 0.0906% to charity.

If you make $25 an hour, and drop a $20 bill on 2 gofundme’s per year, you’re giving more of your income to charity than the richest person on Earth.

If 1,300 folks own 94% of Earth’s wealth, shouldn’t they pay 94% of Earth’s bills? /s

**Twice as many companies paying zero taxes under IMPEACHED trump tax plan**: ",1
Shocking in America a billion dollar company can basically pay a judge to make up laws to make a problem go away for them. Who knew /s,1
"A giant company creates a marketing campaign to increase sales. How surprising! 

/s

A better message may be...

McDonald’s might appear to be eco friendly but they aren’t. So here are 10 things you can do besides buy food from McDonald’s. 

1. Make food at home 
2. Eat dirt off the ground because it’s better for you than McDonald’s garbage.",1
"Meanwhile in Manitoba, the provincial Government's response to what they are doing to help phase over to renewables:

""Oh ya, I think the Feds have some rebates"" /s",1
But then there couldn't be 80 different brands that each come in 12 different varieties! /s,1
You mean like a zeppelin? Didn't somebody already try that? /s,1
"So, an iron plant basically?
/s",1
OK but is your thread made from respun dryer lint or something?  /s,1
"This is obviously caused by solar, with too much sun solar can’t generate electricity /s",1
But what about the coal jobs!!! /s,1
"Wow look at how awful almond milk is! /s

Yet still 170% Better than Cows milk. :P

And that's only Water Usage ofc",1
"Rake? No, you gotta buy a gasoline-powered device that blows them into piles AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE on a Saturday morning. THEN put them in the plastic bags. (/s in case that's not obvious)",1
"no, you just don't understand. i read the other day how Exxon/Mobil is going to be operationally carbon neutral in just a decade or so. besides the part where they sell carbon based energy, but that's part of sales, not operations.

/s the green washing of oil companies is so absurd.",1
"Yea take these nukes online again and start your reliance on russian Uranium today! /s

Seriously, germany, revive your Solar industry and stop killing your onshore wind industry.",1
"Florida is run by Republicans who think just putting some experts on the problem will fix it. They will find someone to blame, but it's definitely not farms or golf courses or HOA's that demand your grass be green and watered all year round. /s",1
"Yes, but won’t you think of all the billionaires that would go broke. /s",1
"So taxpayers would buy heat pumps from China (one of Russia's allies) and ship them to the EU?

OK.   Makes sense. /s",1
"Yes, the most important thing is to point fingers /s

Instead of finger pointing, every country should try to do something",1
Taking a life is actually one of the best ways to lower your carbon footprint. BP would be proud!    /s,1
"I was treated with epilepsy and since 100 years it is proven that epileptics may heal better with fat-based  diet (keton in Greek is fat). (Some claim other mental imbalances are helped by it too.) Of course it is jut a few % of he population and maybe some neo-meat or ""clean meat"" can be offered to such cases. And yes some vegan stuff can do it too, but iI live in the ex Russian Zone (ex?9 nd here our income is ten times less than for people ine West so it wd be very expnsive.) But please do not send us to the gulag./s",1
"Could aliens be secretly forcing humanity to terraform Earth for their own species to be comfortable when their invasion happens? /s

Get the Qberts going on this?",1
I won't be happy until the box is made out of pasta. /s,1
Why are you posting about this instead of Jonny Depp and Amber Heard?   /s,1
"Yeah why the fuck would the ENVIRONMENTAL  PROTECTION AGENCY have anything to do with climate standards for global energy producers. 
/s",1
"Yeah but what if instead we stop building renewables and instead only build nuclear? It takes longer to build, is more expensive, and requires fuel which could be held hostage. Surely that's a better option! /s

^(Paid for by your favorite oil company)",1
Nothing to see here. Totally normal. Normal long-term weather cycles. Keep using your fossil fuels…it’s all ok.  /s,1
"The Texas gov is limiting his punitive payout to 750,000 per family. Yay tort reform. /s",1
"Not to worry! Nestle will save us!

/s",1
Thank goodness a rich climate friendly oligarch decided this should pass instead of having a real democracy. We should be thankful that the climate friendly oligarch beat the oil and gas oligarchs this time. (partial /s because I want a better system),1
"And massive floods in other areas. But climate change is a hoax. /s

(edited to show sarcasm)",1
And when the groceries go up in the US it will be Joe Biden’s fault; it won’t be because of extreme global drought /s,1
But the sanctions aren’t working so why not keep selling gas? /s  putin is trash. Slava Ukraini!,1
"New to the forum-- do we pack it all in now boys? 

/s 

But really, please comfort me, I decided to have two children, both under 3.",1
Just when the electricity prices have increased by 1194% compared to the average of the years 2016-2020. Nice timing /s,1
Why change our predatory economic system when we could just reflect the sunlight /s,1
"“Hope and pray” has worked well for us so far. Let’s keep doing it  

/s",1
"Ah yes, overconsumption is the only problem. Everyone just needs to live like a subsaharan african and we can easily support 10B, maybe even 12B people! It's so simple, so easy! I can see all of Western society collectively agreeing to reject all elements of capitalism and reverting away from a global society and retreating back to hunters and gatherers...willingly.

/s",1
sounds like something we should make more of! /s,1
Why would they do this while nuclear energy is reliable and cheap? /s,1
"Nope!  In fact electric vehicles are ruining the grid and the grid can’t support it and they’re burning fossil fuels anyway!  
- every right winger that’s talked to me about my ev in the last 4 years.  
  
Also, did you guys know we recycle gasoline but not lithium batteries- serious point of concern here!  
  
^/s",1
What a fucking idiot. /s,1
I can’t wait to get my ECO monthly box of junk!!!!! /s,1