Various - Ubuntu [chat] #C.txt

[ Author: Various; Title: Ubuntu; Tags: chat ]
axsuul: Ok! Now I'm on kernel 5.11.0 and /dev/dri now shows `renderD128`, so far so good :)
Draget[m]: So, I have a HP Pavilion g6, which is basically unable to boot into any sort of graphical inteface/installer. It has a dgpu which might be causing issues. But I think I could solve those… if I was only able to install Ubuntu. Is this correct, that for all flavors of Ubuntu there is no textmode installer anymore?
axsuul: Thanks for your help jhutchins, the kernel stuff you mentioned pointed me in the right direction
ramblebamble: Draget[m], I had a Pavillion g6 once, couldn't get Linux to run under it, maybe the distributions support it nowadays, but back then no dice
MarvinTheMartian: how do I change systems domain name? when I run domainname I get (none)
Gallomimia: does anyone have any experience with the severe bug in nvidia drivers causing the message: [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
Gallomimia: i'm looking for a short term solution as it has finally driven me insane
Gallomimia: i think i'll downgrade the drivers... not exactly sure how far back to go
Nobrem: hi
Nobrem: I just plugged my LUKS encrypted, external harddrive into a new computer of mine
Nobrem: Mounting it worked
Nobrem: Reading it worked
Gallomimia: so?
Nobrem: copying files from the external HD onto my computer's SSD works
Nobrem: But: I cannot run an ffmpeg program on a video that is on the external HD
Nobrem: I get "permission denied"
Nobrem: chmod 777 *
Nobrem: chown -cR nobrem:nobrem *
Nobrem: still, no chance... not even as root
Nobrem: the ffmpeg command is totally simple:
Nobrem: ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -ss 00:01:00 -to 00:02:00 -c:v copy -an out.mp4
Nobrem: funnily, not "out.mp4" gives me a permission denied, but "input.mp4"
Nobrem: I can "cp" input.mp4 onto my computer's internal HD
Nobrem: so why the heck can ffmpeg not read input.mp4 ?
Nobrem: that only happens on the second computer
Gallomimia: ah. the uid's don't match up
Nobrem: I take it back
Nobrem: it also happens on my internal HD
Gallomimia: sure nothing is mounted as read only?
Nobrem: no, I just copied the video onto my HD
Nobrem: and it also fails there
Nobrem: I am sorry I said it would work
Nobrem: It fails on my external and internal HD
Nobrem: what the heck.... I have never experienced anything remotely like this
Nobrem: cp works, ffmpeg fails
Nobrem: ffmpeg only _reads_ the file, the same way "cp" would _read_ it
Nobrem: I don't get permission denied on the output file, but on the input file
lotuspsychje: Nobrem: volunteers said yesterday to solve your ffmpeg issue elsewhere then in the ubuntu support channel, why did you come back?
Gallomimia: not sure i can speculate on what's going on. make sure your permissions are good, and test with programs that are not ffmpeg
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, my ffmpeg issue has not been resolved yet
Gallomimia: anyone got older nvidia cards got a suggestion on how far back in driver versions i should go?
lotuspsychje: Nobrem: please seek help in more specific channels, adviced yesterday
jhutchins: I wonder if extended attributes/permissions are involved. They should not replicate to the new location.
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, is it really an ffmpeg problem when a file cannot be _read_ ?
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, that sounds like a permission issue on Ubuntu
lotuspsychje: Nobrem: you got other permission issues outside then ffmpeg?
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, not that I knew of for now
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, IRC is a friendly place, we should work towards keeping it that way.
Nobrem: lotuspsychje, your question before ("why did you come back?") is very hostile and not in the open source spirit
Nobrem: it borders on bullying
tar_xvf: Nobrem: can you try `sudo chmod 777` on the input.mp4 and see if ffmpeg works
Nobrem: especially after all the bullying we have experienced on Freenode, we should keep Libera nice and friendly
Nobrem: tar_xvf, already done so
Nobrem: tar_xvf, even chown -cR nobrem:nobrem just to be sure
lotuspsychje: Nobrem: its not hostile, im pointing you other volunteers already gave you advice, you ignoring and now we see you flooding the ubuntu support channel with ffmpeg stuff, not really fair towards others
tar_xvf: ok, the file is probably corrupted in a ray ffmpeg can't read it
tar_xvf: you could also try opening the file with ffplay, vlc, or another media player to see if it should work
Nobrem: yes, done so, it works
Nobrem: vlc can open it
Nobrem: ffplay - trying now
Gallomimia: nobrem, i just told you to use a different program and test if the file can be read
Gallomimia: if yes, not ubuntu issue, go to ffmpeg support. if no, that's a ubuntu issue
Gallomimia: and we can figure more out together
Nobrem: I think I know what the problem is
Nobrem: ffmpeg was installed via "snap"
Gallomimia: but until you test that... none of us care, nor can we do anything
Gallomimia: literally can't help you till you test this
Gallomimia: okay? not hostile. not ignoring you. it is you who is ignoring us.
Gallomimia: vlc can open it? copy the file to a new location and make ffmpeg open it there
Gallomimia: so this is a ffmpeg problem?
Nobrem: no.
Nobrem: I just solved it
Gallomimia: #ffmpeg
Nobrem: it's a permissions problem on Ubuntu
Nobrem: sudo snap remove ffmpeg
Nobrem: apt install ffmpeg
Nobrem: then it works
Gallomimia: sigh
Gallomimia: snaps again
Nobrem: it's a permissions problem, snap could not do it
Nobrem: Here, I call you out.
Gallomimia: great idea. horrendous execution
Nobrem: Gallomimia and lotuspsychje
Nobrem: instead of trying to help, you shooed me away
Nobrem: turns out, it is a snap related problem
tar_xvf: how were they supposed to know you installed ffmpeg via snap
Nobrem: <Nobrem> ffmpeg was installed via "snap"
Gallomimia: well, is it default in the software "store"
lotuspsychje: Nobrem: then support goes here; contact: https://github.com/snapcrafters/ffmpeg/issues
Gallomimia: indeed. all of the... ah, not so helpfulness in this channel aside, you do need to file a bug report
Nobrem: ok, will do
Nobrem: bye for now, thank you!
Gallomimia: i guess.... you're welcome. you kinda sorted it yourself
Gallomimia: i must admit, the wall of text made it hard to follow
tar_xvf: he's been doing this for somewhere around a few weeks now
Gallomimia: i shan't criticize since i came in and posted a wall of text minutes before him
Gallomimia: i've decided to downgrade to nvidia-driver-450 and apt won't let me. can someone give me some suggestions?
Gallomimia: i removed 470, and then the extras that came with
Gallomimia: and now trying to install 450, it says don't worry we'll put 470 back in. i don't want that
Gallomimia: it's going to put 460 in too. so i'll have 3 versions of the driver in there conflicting. that'd be so great
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' should give ya some strong hints as to what is available :D
Gallomimia: Bashing-om 470 is the appropriate driver for my card, but it has an extremely serious bug in it that i jus can't handle anymore
Gallomimia: so, 450 server might work but not 450 desktop?
Gallomimia: does that make sense??
Gallomimia: going back to 390 seems extreme
Gallomimia: 470 and 390 are the only desktop drivers this command says work
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: So long as ya purge the installed driver - prior to a new try - can not hurt to try and see what happens :D
Gallomimia: it can hurt, very much ;)
Gallomimia: i did not purge, i only removed
Gallomimia: and i'm going to install the 450 server. it's actually going to take some lib computes from 470 that were missed out
Gallomimia: !pkg nvidia-prime
Gallomimia: well that went ok... will try a reboot in a moment
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: GeForce GT 710 and syste, sqeels over the 390 version, best I recall 390 is now transisonal package, Offers me 470, 460, 450 and 418 server packages.
Gallomimia: in the mean time i have this humongous list of things that were automatically installed... like nvidia-cuda-gdb nvidia-cuda-toolkit-doc nvidia-opencl-dev ocl-icd-opencl-dev. pretty sure i still want those
Gallomimia: Bashing-om, i have a 780Ti not a 710
Gallomimia: 710 is little more than a display adapter
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: While true - cheap card does all I require of it :D
Gallomimia: 470 has ths bug: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-failed-to-grab-modeset-ownership-with-495-44/193867/28
lotuspsychje: wich kernel are you on Gallomimia
Gallomimia: it's crippling. i need to get away from it
Gallomimia: 5.13.0-23 generic
Gallomimia: what is nvidia-prime ?
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: hybrid-graphics >> enable NVIDIA's Prime on MUXless systems.
Gallomimia: mux?
Gallomimia: i guess, i don't need it if i have a singular card
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: MUX-less: Optimus chipsets - that is, dual GPUs where the outputs are NOT switched between the GPUs using a multiplexer.
Gallomimia: i really want to understand what you just said
Gallomimia: dual GPUs on one card?
Gallomimia: weren't they doing that with 1080 Titans?
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: deep deep subject - more there that I also do not know than that of what I do know :P
Gallomimia: here's what i know: i failed linear algebra and dropped out of college so i don't get the privlidge of understanding graphics cards too well :(
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: Mostly nvidia-prime to swap to the internal Intel chip set on laptops :D
Gallomimia: ah right right
Gallomimia: well.... here goes nothin
bugweiser: Are there defacto rules in ubuntu manpage interpretation? Say a man-page contradicts itself, how do we know what is true and what is in error ?
* bugweiser fingers crossed for Gallomimia
Gallomimia: well, there's lights
Gallomimia: WARNING: CPU: 7 PID: 2931 at /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-srv/450.156.00/build/nvidia-drm/nvidia-drm-drv.c:498 nv_drm_master_set+0x27/0x30 [nvidia_drm]
lotuspsychje: bugweiser: if you find and error in a manpage of a package, file a !bug
Gallomimia: i got a warning about some nvidia drm but no warning about that failed to grab modeset
bugweiser: I don't understand it.. so I can't say it is a bug, neither can I say what is actually true :)
Gallomimia: what does this do: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
bugweiser: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man5/uuencode.5.html
bugweiser: Gallomimia: I think the kernal was originally without viruses.
Gallomimia: and then i gave it an nvidia
Gallomimia: booster shot
bugweiser: infecting your system with something called 'drm' might affect your kernel that it is no longer virus free, so you get a warning
bugweiser: (at least I think..)
bugweiser: lotuspsychje: man page says:
bugweiser: The base64 option says the file has been encoded using base64. The encoded option says the output file name has been base64 encoded. It is never encoded with traditional uuencoding.
bugweiser: then examples come:
Gallomimia: lol well. drm. i need that to watch netflix :P
bugweiser: begin-base64-encoded 644 VE9ETw==
bugweiser: This introduces a base64 encoded file named, TODO with that name encoded using base64 encoding.
bugweiser: begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
bugweiser: This introduces an encoded file named, TODO with that name encoded using uuencoding.
bugweiser: NAY says gnu shar utils (https://www.gnu.org/software/sharutils/manual/html_node/uuencode-encode_002dfile_002dname.html)
bugweiser: the ??encode the output file name?? option. Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be hex encoded as well.
bugweiser: so.. as always.. I don't grasp the man-pages :(
Bashing-om: Gallomimia: Kernel reports happyness ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
BSaboia: Hello. I am having this issue while trying to issue apt upgrade: E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.190.6_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
BSaboia: Is this expected at all?
Bashing-om: !info linux-firmware impish | BSaboia
ubottu: BSaboia: linux-firmware (1.201.3, impish): Firmware for Linux kernel drivers. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-firmware. Size 193,910 kB / 742,711 kB
Bashing-om: BSaboia: ^ what release are you on ?
BSaboia: Release: 20.10 Codename: groovy
BSaboia: Bashing-om, uname -a yields 5.8.0-63-generic #71-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 13 15:59:12 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Bashing-om: BSaboia: cat /etc/issue ?
Bashing-om: !20.10 | BSaboia
ubottu: BSaboia: Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) was the 33rd release of Ubuntu, support ended July 22nd, 2021. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2021-June/000269.html
Bashing-om: BSaboia: ^ software repo no longer exists . strongly urged to upgrade to a supported release.
BSaboia: Bashing-om, thanks
BSaboia: So upgrade time. Let's see how smoothly this goes. It's already not-so-good (`apt dist-upgrade` doesn't want to upgrade)
BSaboia: ... because of the same thing: E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.190.6_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
Bashing-om: !eol | BSaboia
ubottu: BSaboia: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
bugweiser: does that make any sense to anyone ?
BSaboia: bugweiser, what?
BSaboia: What I did was use `sed` to change from archive to old-releases in /etc/apt/sources.list and now I can run the update stuff. So hopefully it will work now
bugweiser: BSaboia: what the uuencode manpage says
bugweiser: (quoted above, 03:48:17 gmt)
amosbird: Hello! How can I update certificates in ubuntu docker 18.04 so that I can do pip3 install git+https://github.com/amosbird/exodus@e8c0afe without errors
amosbird: fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/amosbird/exodus/': gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated.
bugweiser: should I somehow rephrase my question ?
Jeaton: not really a ubuntu problem but has anyone here have any luck installing ubuntu on windows 11 using wsl
ELQEYNN: Jeaton, do you want to boot Windows or Linux on the same machine?
multi8: /exit
ELQEYNN: Jeaton, there is a way to run both ubuntu and Windows on the same machine.
ELQEYNN: Jeaton, there is a way to run both ubuntu and Windows on the same machine.
bugweiser: https://windowsreport.com/dual-boot-windows-11-ubuntu/
bugweiser: https://www.xda-developers.com/dual-boot-windows-11-linux/
bugweiser: the key searchphrase here is 'dual boot'
ELQEYNN: Actually, if each is installed on its own disk, then you don't need a boot menu. You can then use the BIOS boot menu.
bugweiser: if it got that yeah
ELQEYNN: Buenas noches, Humberto1
bugweiser: but if you just need some linux output of some linux program, you can just boot linux in your browser, much simpler... just click your bookmark for your virtual browser linux app and it will boot in 20 sec or so. Then you can't screw things up (or just reload the browser tab).
bugweiser: same for the reverse, you can always boot in instance of windows 2000 or something in your browser and continue life happy without any headaches :)
bugweiser: where can one get help for ubuntu manuals, specifically their interpretation ?
bugweiser: are questions about ubuntu manpages on-topic in this channel or should I ask elsewhere (and where would I ask) ?
Nobrem: re
Nobrem: now, I have a real Ubuntu problem
Nobrem: no ffmpeg, no nothing, just Ubuntu :)
Nobrem: I installed Ubuntu on a new laptop with a 256 GB hard drive
Nobrem: the size is even slightly bigger when looking at "cfdisk"
Nobrem: But, "df -h", it shows a much smaller HD
Nobrem: what is wrong?
bugweiser: you formatted it ?
Nobrem: bugweiser, I did not zero it, but I ran the normal installation process of the Ubuntu Server Edition which created a new partition table
Nobrem: the computer came without OS
bugweiser: let me be more explicit, you put a file system on it
Nobrem: bugweiser, I believe so?
Nobrem: bugweiser, the computer could not boot when I bought it
Nobrem: bugweiser, it is a second hand computer
bugweiser: I also believe that, couse you said you installed something on it, therefor it must have a filesystem
bugweiser: zeroing the drive would remove that filesystem
Nobrem: let me show you my evidence
Nobrem: god, I need to switch that Y and Z kez
Nobrem: *key
Nobrem: first time typing on that computer and I constantly get the y and z wrong
ELQEYNN: Nobrem, do you have a German keyboard?
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, finnish
Assid: heya
Nobrem: :)
ELQEYNN: Nobrem, do you know how to change your keyboard layout?
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, I only want to switch certain keys
Nobrem: xmodmap ?
Assid: how do i get ssh to ask for the key password in the gui
ELQEYNN: Are the keys on your hardware keyboard switched? Like when you hit "z" do you get "y" ?
Nobrem: cfdisk => evidence 1: https://dpaste.org/X0mt/raw
Nobrem: df -h => evidence 2: https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, no, the keys are WYSIWYG but I still need them switched
ELQEYNN: You mean, that when you hit "z" you get "z"? And when you hit "y" you get "y" ?
Nobrem: yes
Nobrem: but I am used to a different keyboard layout
bugweiser: Nobrem, I think you are looking at 2 different things
bugweiser: the first shows you the mbr partitions
Nobrem: bugweiser, whz so?
bugweiser: the second shows you the vbr of one of these partitions
Nobrem: *why
ELQEYNN: So, if you change the keyboard layout in the software configuration, you'll hit "z" and you get "y" and vice versa.
Nobrem: bugweiser, it looks to me like I am already running out of space
bugweiser: why? the latest linux distro's create many vbr partitions these days (cought me offguard this week as well, hence I know :) )
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, yes
ELQEYNN: So you'll need a new and different hardware keyboard to match.
Nobrem: bugweiser, I don't want partitions... I need to put 200 GB video files on this machine
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, I believe "xmodmap" can solve this... I will let you know later
bugweiser: yeah, I'm a fan of some partitions as well, this is to much.. same on openbsd
ELQEYNN: Don't you want to do one thing at a time?
Nobrem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/68819/swap-two-keys-using-xmodmap
Nobrem: the link is for you, ELQEYNN
Nobrem: I will fix the keys like this
ELQEYNN: xmodemap will result in hitting "z" and getting "y" and vice versa -- unless you also change your hardware keyboard.
Nobrem: the biggest problem for now is my hard drive siye
Nobrem: size
bugweiser: 200 GB video files on a 250gb raw disk.. thats barely gonna fit on a modern heavily partitioned disk
Nobrem: bugweiser, why so? Is there a file size limit on linux like it was back in the day on FAT32 Windows machines?
bugweiser: no it is becouse putting a filesystem on a partition costs space
bugweiser: so a raw disk never has the total raw space to use (well , it is used, by a TOC (or similar)).
bugweiser: on top of that, the modern linux uses a bunch of partitions (as you have shown in link 2)
Nobrem: bugweiser, even when you add all of them up, I don't get 256 GB
Nobrem: look at the leftmost column "Size"
bugweiser: you can try re-install it, and try to override some default settings such that you get LESS number of partitions.
bugweiser: well, you can try chop up your video files, and try fill all unused space of each partition...
bugweiser: that might just work
Nobrem: bugweiser, the partitions are imho not the issue
Nobrem: df -h lists you the total siye
Nobrem: size
Nobrem: 768 MB is not even a GB
Nobrem: plus 98 gb
Nobrem: plus 3.9 (let us say 4)
Nobrem: and then 5, 974, 511 and 786 MB
Nobrem: so, even when rounded up, we get to 116 GB
Nobrem: but the HD is 256 GB
Nobrem: there is a discrepancy
Nobrem: https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
Nobrem: ^ I am talking about this
rfm: remember all the "tmpfs" don't take up disk space, they're in ram. but what on earth allocated almost a gig for /boot and half a gig for /boot/efi?
Nobrem: I don't know... Debian Server Edition
Nobrem: which, for whatever reason, came with gnome installed
bugweiser: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv 98G 54G 40G 58% /
bugweiser: /dev/sda3 3147776 500115455 496967680 237G Linux filesystem
rfm: why would Debian create a volume group named ubuntu?
bugweiser: *seems* that your vbr on sda3 only used around 98G for the main data partition.
Nobrem: rfm, this is a Ubuntu channel
Nobrem: oh
Nobrem: I said Debian
bugweiser: perhaps you can extend this partiton to use the remaining space ?
Nobrem: I meant Ubuntu Server Edition
Nobrem: bugweiser, but how?
bugweiser: well, if your system is still fresh/unused, one method would be a re-install, (perhaps make some notes now of what you want to achieve in terms of vbr on dev/sda3
Nobrem: bugweiser, 3 days went into installing all my programs and transferring data
Nobrem: bugweiser, I would rather not start over
bugweiser: I can understand..
bugweiser: then you need to figure out how to resize that partition in the vbr of 98G
Nobrem: can't I just extend my partition?
bugweiser: it seems that is the one you want to extend
Nobrem: what is a vbr anyway?
bugweiser: its like a second mbr
bugweiser: it can contain boot-code, it can contain partition layout (and that layout depends on the bootsystem used).
bugweiser: you could think of it a LITTLE like this:
bugweiser: you have one physical disk, you give it bootcode and partitions (up to 4) in the mbr (up to 4 due to legacy bios, when in mbr mode).
bugweiser: now you could think of the partitioned disk as a number of new individual disks
bugweiser: and each first sector itself could contain another thing LIKE an mbr, optionally splitting down partitions further.
bugweiser: so for example you chop the 3 partition (starting from the physical disk) into yet again 8 partitions.
bugweiser: windows used to call them 'extended partitions;
bugweiser: and the 4 from the mbr (the entry point of the physical disk, sector 0) were called 'primary partitions'.
Nobrem: I rather have one partition for / and a nice swap
bugweiser: so in windows terminology, you'd create 'extended partitions' inside primariy partitions.
rfm: that 98G partition is an lvm logical volume, you'd have to use lvm tools to expand it (but don't ask *me* how)
bugweiser: (but it doesn't need to end there.. technically you could chop up extended (kind of second level) partitions again and put vbr in them as well.
Nobrem: whoah guys
bugweiser: Nobrem, I agree, especially for resource constrained vps...
Nobrem: gparted shows something TOTALLY different
bugweiser: (mbr master boot record, vbr Volume boot record)
Nobrem: I am desperately trying to open the screenshot tool on this new computer
Nobrem: a few moments please
ELQEYNN: Nobrem, your partition for / should be different from your partition for /home.
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, not needed,,, it can be a benefit, but not needed
bugweiser: ^
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, only if I were to re-install a new OS and then wanted to keep the /home partition
ELQEYNN: So, you'll continue to have / and /home in the same partition?
Nobrem: let me write what gparted tells me because I cannot find the screenshot tool
Nobrem: Used: 100.02 GiB
Nobrem: Unused: 136.59 GiB
Nobrem: Size: 236.97 GiB
Nobrem: so obviously dh -h is wrong
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, yes, all in the same partition
bugweiser: seems like gparted is looking at mbr
Nobrem: why would the MBR we 236 GiB ?
ELQEYNN: So there is no need for gparted to have any table entry for /home.
bugweiser: The 100GB used seems to come from the vbr partitioning :) do the math :)
Nobrem: ELQEYNN, /home was never the topic
Nobrem: bugweiser, there is a 60 GB video on my HD
Nobrem: I will copy and paste this video multiple times to see when I really run out of space
Nobrem: I am sure that I am looking at the right partition, as it is LUKS encrypted
rfm: My guess is that there is half the disk unpartitioned. you could use fdisk to just print the partition table to be sure.
bugweiser: perhaps there is some accounting issue?
bugweiser: yes, aree rfm
Nobrem: rfm, I pasted the output of "cfdisk" before
Nobrem: trying fdisk, too
rfm: don't bother, let me look at that cfdisk...
Nobrem: I already did fdisk, too
Nobrem: <Nobrem> cfdisk => evidence 1: https://dpaste.org/X0mt/raw
Nobrem: <Nobrem> df -h => evidence 2: https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
rfm: ok, what's going on is the lvm logical volume that the installer created only took up half the space in the sda3 partition.
ELQEYNN: raw means, unencrypted?
Nobrem: I'm going to paste fdisk too, but I remove the unique identifiers from the paste
Nobrem: rfm, why?
bugweiser: lol, thats what I said :)
rfm: dang if I know why. lvm is a big mystery to me, that's why I use zfs.
Nobrem: https://dpaste.org/Doud
Nobrem: here, fdisk
rfm: presumably you could use the lvm tools to grow the logical volume into the rest of the space, then grow the file system
Nobrem: rfm, color me clueless
Nobrem: rfm, wanna hold my hand?
Nobrem: sudo lvm
bugweiser: your fdisk link concurs with the cfdisk link
rfm: sadly I cannot. I know a little bit about what lvm is and is used for but I don't know the details.
Nobrem: bugweiser, what does that mean?
Nobrem: do you have any search terms in mind that I could google for?
bugweiser: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/resize-lvm-simple
Nobrem: maybe: "lvm size too small"
rfm: Nobrem, you could start by reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM (I don't like Arch's philosophy, which is why I use Ubuntu, but their documentation is great)
bugweiser: rfm hints at this modern linux vbr partitioning lvm. We also know we want to resize/extend a partion (as we assume there is unused space in your sda3 (138G of it)
Nobrem: rfm, what is the "arch phylosophy" =)
bugweiser: https://slice2.com/2020/12/05/howto-easily-resize-the-default-lvm-volume-on-ubuntu-18-04/
rfm: Nobrem, getting off topic here but it's "rolling release" aka "never gets out of alpha" plus "don't worry about getting it right the way it's shipped, we can teach the users to fix it the way they want"
Nobrem: rfm, I see
Nobrem: rfm, well, Debian also has a rolling release (testing)
mannequin: don't do that
mannequin: it's broken at this stage
mannequin: personal eperience
mannequin: experience
Nobrem: mannequin, "testing" was a big plus back in the day, when Debian was still "potato"
bugweiser: don't do what ? resize linux vbr partitions?
Nobrem: it helped getting the newest software, like "micq" ;)
mannequin: Nobrem: sure but 12 is a pile of unreliable poo at this stage
Nobrem: bugweiser, I think they meant "Debian testing"
bugweiser: ah
Nobrem: brb, I am following the instructions on the website
bugweiser: meanwhile (while activity) any help with my question would also be apreciated :)
bugweiser: where can one get help for ubuntu manuals, specifically their interpretation ?
bugweiser: are questions about ubuntu manpages on-topic in this channel or should I ask elsewhere (and where would I ask) ?
tomreyn: bugweiser: just ask. if someone can recommend a bette rplace, they will.
rfm: bugweiser, well, the man pages are generally a part of a particular package, so it would be the same place to go for support on that package
rfm: so, base ubuntu stuff might be dealable with here, stuff in universe you might want to look for an upstream forum, etc.
bugweiser: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man5/uuencode.5.html
bugweiser: is that base ?
bugweiser: it reads:
rfm: its an ancient part of UNIX,
Nobrem: it worked :)))
Nobrem: thank you
Nobrem: my HD is big now
Nobrem: bigger than my future
bugweiser: YAY nobrem !!
Nobrem: thank you for the link
bugweiser: you are welcome :)
rfm: you're still gonna have trouble with 200GB files on a 256GB disk of course
Nobrem: rfm, yep, I will slice them up
bugweiser: man reads:
bugweiser: The encoded option says the output file name has been base64 encoded. It is never encoded with traditional uuencoding.
bugweiser: then continues to examples:
bugweiser: begin-base64-encoded 644 VE9ETw==
bugweiser: This introduces a base64 encoded file named, TODO with that name encoded using base64 encoding.
bugweiser: begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
bugweiser: This introduces an encoded file named, TODO with that name encoded using uuencoding
Nobrem: thank you again, bye :))
Nobrem: good night!
bugweiser: good night!
ELQEYNN: bbl
bugweiser: NAY says gnu shar utils (https://www.gnu.org/software/sharutils/manual/html_node/uuencode-encode_002dfile_002dname.html)
bugweiser: the ??encode the output file name?? option. Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be hex encoded as well.
bugweiser: how can you have an example of a filename encoded using 'traditional uuencoding' if 'it is never encoded with traditional uuencoding' ?
bugweiser: mind blown..
bugweiser: and gnu docs say it isn't base64, nay, it is 'hex encoded'
bugweiser: well, there was no mind to blow anymore.. but if there was one... it would blow again.
bugweiser: HOW does one figure out what REALLY is the specification ?
rfm: there's a lot of history here. uuencode was part of BSD. The gnu sharutils were a rewrite by the GNU project that did some of the same stuff (basically, make it possible to send binary files through email that might not even be 8-bit clean)
bugweiser: yes, 1980, first in bsd4.0
rfm: so, the uuencode man page tells you what uuencode does, the sharutils manual tell you what the gnu sharutils do. (It may be that sharutils includes a program called uuencode which is not-entirely-compatible with BSD uuencode.)
bugweiser: like tar, there are actually a lot of different formats for uuencode
rfm: yes, and for pretty much the same reason. the real advantage is that there's no reason to use uuencode anymore, while tar is still useful
bugweiser: (ive dug through the history, ancient mail-lists, check uuencode v1 to 4.0, etc. Know the posix variant (and most implementations falsely claim posix conformity, like posix *mandates* using the defined word *shall* that base64 should ignore ALL characters not in the base64 table.. lol, so most decoders bork on that requirement :) )
bugweiser: lol, for tar I have identified at least 14 different formats (and a lot of them have variations themselves...)
bugweiser: its a horror :)
bugweiser: but i'm asking about the ubuntu manpage
bugweiser: :)
bugweiser: and it says:
bugweiser: The encoded option says the output file name has been base64 encoded. It is never encoded with traditional uuencoding.
bugweiser: and gives as example:
bugweiser: This introduces an encoded file named, TODO with that name encoded using uuencoding
bugweiser: (and the example actually does that, minus leading lenght character which indeed would be pointless).
bugweiser: 5$]$3P`` really does decode to 'TODO'
bugweiser: that is a pretty low chance typo... that took effort :)
bugweiser: and it makes specifically TWO examples (one for base64 encoded filename, one for uuencoded filename), while it says that this is not possible to begin with ?!
bugweiser: it litterally says (caps mine): It is NEVER encoded with traditional uuencoding.
rfm: yes, certainly seems inconsistent. have you checked what uuencode actually does?
bugweiser: depends on os/implementation used
bugweiser: still got gnu sharutils to check
rfm: presumably the ubuntu man page should describe the implemention in ubuntu.
bugweiser: (noting that sharutils says the filename is HEX (not base64 or uuencode) encoded
rfm: yeah but a shar is not a uuencoded file, it's similar but not the same.
bugweiser: I don't have an ubuntu to test on.. but I BET it will produce backtick '`' instead of ' ' space... (if so, then that is also not in the man-page)
bugweiser: yes, but uuencode and uudecode in the gnu-variant are part of the shar-utils package
bugweiser: and the ubuntu manpage is clearly (and explicitly) talking about the gnu filename encoding variant
bugweiser: It is the line Immediately after the line that it is never uuencoded: "This is a GNU extension."
rfm: bugweiser, aha. it is important to read uuencode(1), about --encode-file-name. what it's telling us is that a uuencoded file could have a uuencoding-encoded file name, but GNU uuencode (the one in ubuntu) will never do so.
* bugweiser searching/reading link
rfm: bugweiser, it remains to see if GNU uudecode will decode a uuencoding-encoded file name..
rfm: Ha, it won't
bugweiser: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/uuencode.1.html
scara: I somehow broke APT, I want to purge this app, please help: https://ttm.sh/iQC.I6QWb0dz
scara: I can't install or remove anything untill I resolve this issue
rfm: so it is kind of a mystery why they bothered to document it.
bugweiser: Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be base64 encoded as well.
bugweiser: (Traditional uuencoding of the file name is not supported.)
bugweiser: I'm missing where it reads that it can have an uuencoded filename..
bugweiser: rfm, what did you test (on what) ?
rfm: I tested if the uudecode in ubuntu would decode a file with that begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P`` header. it won't. complains not base64.
bugweiser: clear
rfm: I could see supporting decoding files like that (presumably created with old BSD uuencode), but it doesn't.
scara: I found something on the internet and it works: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1241362/fix-package-post-installation-script-subprocess-returned-error-exit-status-10-fo#125810
tomreyn: scara: hmm, thats rather bad advice, but i guess it can 'work', yes
tomreyn: "Failed to stop timidity.service: Unit timidity.service not loaded." was the root cause of these errors, which could have been resolved by loading this systemd unit.
scara: A solution is a solution, but man I really really hate when that kind of packages show up, I want to just ban that program from all computers in existance. Last time I had reinstalled my computer.
bugweiser: rfm: debian (sharutils package) uudecode:
bugweiser: uudecode -o /dev/stdout
bugweiser: begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
bugweiser: +:&5L;&\@=V]R;&0`
bugweiser: hello world`
bugweiser: end
tomreyn: !paste | bugweiser
ubottu: bugweiser: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
scara: I tried to load it but it didn't exist.
scara: The root cause is it needs to stop it itself or it wont work.
rfm: bugweiser, I suspect if you use the -o option (I didn't) it just ignores the encoded name
bugweiser: deal, testing without -o
tomreyn: scara: hmm, did not exist, thats# weird. which ubuntu version are you running and where's this timidity package from?
scara: 20.04 iirc
bugweiser: invalid base64 encoded name: 5$]$3P``
tomreyn: 20.04 has timidity-daemon 2.14.0-8build1 right
scara: Steps to reproduce I think but I wont try reproduceing so it may be a waste of time: Install gajim with all suggestions and recommendations then purge gajim and see a stupid error that makes you pull out your hair.
bugweiser: interesting
xypron: Why does this recur: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 871920D1991BC93C Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (2018)
tomreyn: scara: you could prevent issues with badly maintained packages by only using ubuntu's main and restricted repositories.
rfm: bugweiser, I suspect this traces back to when the GNU sharutils package was initially brought into Debian
bugweiser: then I wonder why ubuntu manpage makes this specific second example (and actually encoded 'TODO' in a way one would expect it, without leading length-char)
scara: I never said I didn't, tomreyn.
rfm: bugweiser, since GNU doesn't believe in manpages, somebody had to make up a uuencode(5) manpage, and probably stole some text from BSD
tomreyn: scara: the package is from universe
scara: What does that even mean?
bugweiser: rfm.. that kinda makes sense..
scara: We are all in the universe if thats what you mean but thats just a stupid observation.
tomreyn: !universe | scara
ubottu: scara: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.
bugweiser: but then there is a chance that at some point this was actually supported (by gnu)
scara: So there is a ubuntu repo but if I use that ubuntu repo I'm an idiot and its my fault that ubuntu broke.
bugweiser: woudn't be the first time gnu just backs out of their own historical formats (in terms of even read-support)
tomreyn: scara: i don't think anyone said so, no.
bugweiser: rfm, i'll make a note to ping you if I find anything interesting, thanks for your help (just knowing i'm not loosing my marbles so to say really does help!)
tomreyn: scara: removing 'universe' apt sources would have a remarkable impact on packages you can install, but you'd end up with well tested packages only, which should prevent such problems. it's a trade off
rfm: bugweiser, I just checked the uuencode on OS X, which is the most direct BSD descendant I have around. It never encodes file names at all!
bugweiser: it shouldn't, its purely a gnu extension
bugweiser: (I do wonder, on ubuntu, the default (assuming non-gnu) uuencode, does that end with a backtick '`' if you encode something using the traditional/historical (non base64) algo ? OR a space (the line before 'end')
bugweiser: (lol, extra note, the example that doesn't make sense from the ubuntu manpage... it uses backtick itself... lol)
rfm: bugweiser, ubuntu uuencode ends with backtick, newline, "end", for what it's worth.
bugweiser: manpage:
bugweiser: The body is terminated by a line with a count of zero. This line consists of one ASCII space.
bugweiser: (lol, won the bet i had with myself)
bugweiser: may I politely say, that manpage is junk ?
tomreyn: bugweiser: if this is an ubuntu specific issue, please file a bug report, or commit a patch. otherwise, if there's an upstream bug, please report it there.
bugweiser: well, the manpage says:
bugweiser: Provided by: sharutils_4.15.2-4build1_amd64 bug
bugweiser: but it was suspectet that ubuntu put together the manpage as gnu didn't believe in manpages themselves
bugweiser: so, who is upstream for the actual manpage ?
bugweiser: ubuntu or gnu shar-utils ?
rfm: bugweiser, that would be debian, you'll see the same stuff about uuencoded filenames in https://manpages.debian.org/buster/sharutils/uuencode.5.en.html
tomreyn: probably debian, but launchpad shoudl tell
bugweiser: launchpad?
tomreyn: launchpad.net, where, amongst other, the ubuntu bug tracker is hosted and packages are developed.
bugweiser: I don't really know that system (but I'll have a quick look). I'm ok to go through a similar chat on debian tomorrow IIF that is the place to talk about it. Pointless in identifying the documentation discrepency and not do anything with it :)
tomreyn: i agree, thanks for following up on it.
bugweiser: https://launchpad.net/sharutils
bugweiser: Maintainer:
bugweiser: Registry Administrators
bugweiser: ?
tomreyn: bugweiser: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sharutils
tomreyn: bugweiser: if you already know that the same man page issues apply to debian, you should turn to debian for reporting them
bugweiser: yes, we've seen the link to debian (as in their manpage)
bugweiser: where would I have seen this info in the launchpad?
bugweiser: I see: sharutils-doc: Documentation for GNU sharutils
bugweiser: Maintainer: Santiago Vila
tomreyn: manpages are in the main package, not the -doc pakcage
bugweiser: Upstream connections: The GNU Project ?? sharutils ?? head
bugweiser: ah ok
tomreyn: i'm not sure what is the reliable proof that this package is imported from debian. but you can see some references to "import" there, and on the git repository
bugweiser: ok, deal. are there any magic words or folk to ping/reference tomorrow on #debian (that would speed up the chat :) )
tomreyn: i would not know. you can look up their package mantainer and other package specific info on https://tracker.debian.org
bugweiser: deal
tomreyn: their manpages are also published on manpages.debian.org as ubuntu's are published on manpages.ubuntu.com
bugweiser: THANKS for the help rfm and tomreyn !
tomreyn: you're welcome
Assid: heya
Assid: is there a reason ubuntu software ( gui app) doesnt show up the apps from the apt resource ?
Assid: so far whenever i need to get something from apt.. i need to do it from cli / apt .. and the ubuntu software (gui) pulls from snapcraft
Guest27: Did dist-upgrade on bionic 18.04 system (to 4.15.0-166.174) on 2022 Jan 09. Now automount of usb stick not working. Anybody willing to share a clue about where to tell Canonical or look at what they are working on?
tomreyn: Guest27: maybe the best option is to just ignore this issue for now and upgrade all the way to 20.04 already?
tomreyn: Guest27: if you want to look into this more, though, you can watch what's happening when you connect the usb stick using jounralctl -f and udevadm monitor - to quit those, just hit ctrl-c
tomreyn: that's journalctl -f (i had a typo there)
Guest27: There is a bit more to it. All worked fine until I did 'apt dist-upgrade'. Now the usb stick I've been using for over a year without problems is not playing well with the machine. fsck.vfat is acting as though it is finding a perfectly good filesystem except that every time I take the stick out and put it back in again the identical problem
Guest27: repeats.
Guest27: My expectation is that wherever the latest discussion of "Just did the latest upgrade and now . . . ." I might find something useful.
Guest27: tomreyn: Yike. Been a very long time since I used IRC. I don't recall how to direct comm to a particular user name.
tomreyn: Guest27: sounds like it could be physical decay you're dealing with
tomreyn: and oyu may need to fsck -f to identify that (on a non-mounted file system)
tomreyn: Guest27: << this is a direct response to a particular user, as you just did.
tomreyn: you can set a better nickname than "Guest27" by typing /nick SomeBetterNick
Guest27: tomreyn: Could be physical. Would really prefer to just revert the most recent known change for a 5 minute yes/no.
Guest27: tomreyn: Problem is that "fsck -f" gives same answer each time I run it. This is not behaving like a physical problem or a problem with the "disk".
nominickle: Better? :-)
tomreyn: nominickle: much better. :) i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "Would really prefer to just revert the most recent known change for a 5 minute yes/no."
nominickle: tomreyn: Part of my problem is that I dare not risk trashing anything else trying to determine if it is physical.
tomreyn: nominickle: you are worried about data loss on a usb stick?
nominickle: I did "apt dist-upgrade". I would like to do "apt nevermind" and get back the configuration that was working yesterday.
tomreyn: those have limited write cycles, i would always expect them to break any minute
tomreyn: but the apt dis-upgrade was not un the usb stick but on a proper storage, i assume?
tomreyn: but the 'apt dist-upgrade' was not on the usb stick but on a proper storage, i assume? << some typos fixed
nominickle: tomreyn: Please do not tell anyone but I have exercised poor labeling discipline on most of my USB sticks. I have several which I know are blank but nothing I dare "see if this one still works".
nominickle: USB stick is just for stashing files in case I erase today's edits to my salad recipe.
nominickle: It has nothing to do with the OS/install/apt.
tomreyn: nominickle: i won't share your secret beyond this irc channel. i'd suggest using "f3" package for testing the health of a usb stick
tomreyn: so the ubuntu release upgrade and apparently lost configuration of usb auto mounting occurred on proper, internal storage, right?
nominickle: tomereyn: Not quite and yes.
tomreyn: if you're using "usbmount", this may be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbmount/+bug/1768010
ubottu: Launchpad bug 1768010 in usbmount (Ubuntu) "usbmount does not work on Bionic" [Undecided, Confirmed]
nominickle: tomreyn: What stopped happening was automounting. And touching the device seems to be broken.
tomreyn: so if usb automounting doesn't work in general, maybe that's why
tomreyn: but if it only doesn'T work for this one usb stick, i'd rather concentrate on understanding what's special about it
tomreyn: if you're referring to GUI based automounts only, then you'd rather look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Configuring_Automounting
nominickle: Nope. I actually went over that bug before I got here. All of that worked fine, yesterday. I started with Bionic 18.04.6. My dist-upgrade took me from kernel 4.15.0-163 to 4.15.0-166 along with a few of its friends.
nominickle: ubottu: Huh?
nominickle: I do not recall. When I preface a line with "user:" does everybody else still get the message or is it "private"?
tomreyn: nominickle: it still goes to the channel, and "user"'s client may choose to highlight that line
nominickle: As I mentioned, it has been a long time.
tomreyn: !info linux-image-generic bionic
ubottu: linux-image-generic (4.15.0.166.155, bionic): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta. Size 3 kB / 17 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x.)
tomreyn: !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
ubottu: linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 (5.4.0.92.103~18.04.82, bionic): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta-hwe-5.4. Size 3 kB / 13 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, armhf, arm64, ppc64el, s390x.)
tomreyn: nominickle: install this if you wan tthe newer kernel image
tomreyn: https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449 for background info
timurcer3a: registration code
timurcer3a: How is my registration code
tomreyn: timurcer3a: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
Draget[m]: If I use the server ISO and install desktop-ubuntu, are there other significant differences to the regular desktop install? (maybe a different flavor if the kernel, but apart from that?)
tomreyn: Draget[m]: the kernel would be the same, network connection management would default to cloud-init and netplan and systemd-networkd, and you may wish to move to network-manager instead
tomreyn: i'm not sure as to whether an openssh server would be pre-installed
tomreyn: unattended-upgrades may be pre-installed.
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nominickle: tomreyn: How do I determine if "linux-generic=4.15.0.163.152" (amd64) is available for download?
tomreyn: nominickle: sudo apt update && sudo apt policy linux-generic
tomreyn: either the very version will be listed there, then it's available, or not, then it's not.
nominickle: tomreyn: Installed and candidate versions match. Where do I go to download the package version which was was there (and worked) yesterday?
nominickle: I've never used "apt policy" before. And it seems to be undocumented. Thank you.
tomreyn: nominickle: look at the apt-cache man page
tomreyn: to install the other package version you'd sudo apt install linux-generic=4.15.0.163.152
tomreyn: that's if it's still available
Aarch64debian: hello, how do you find lost partition/fix broken partition table
tomreyn: Aarch64debian: testdisk, if you are running ubuntu
tomreyn: a supported ubuntu version, specifically
Aarch64debian: is it good
tomreyn: if you know or spend time on understanding how to use it, yes
nominickle: "that's if it's still available" Bingo.
tomreyn: nominickle: usually, the latest version should work fine. if it doesn't, you also should have the last but one installed so should be able to boot into that instead. independently from that, on an LTS release, you can also switch between GA and HWE versions
nominickle: tomreyn: What appears to be the case is that the repos I am drawing from have wiped all the older versions of all the packages that actually do anything, hence everything which might undo whatever changed (and which I am assuming broke my system).
tomreyn: that's all the help i can provide without more specific info
nominickle: Where/how would I have the last but one version available/installed? I've got several versions of the kernel installed but the various flavors of systemd et al are version jealous.
nominickle: How do I switch to GA or HWE version? If they've got a recent rev I can draw that will presumably be enough to convince me to poke at hardware instead.
nominickle: Oh. Wait. If that is on your github page never mind. Sorry. Being absentminded.
nominickle: tomreyn: Going to bed now. Thank you tomreyn.
tomreyn: you're welcome
tomreyn: this may be of use tomorrow: apt list installed linux-*
tomreyn: you can choose between installed kernels from the grub menu
tomreyn: which can be brought up after POST by hitting escape (uefi boot) or holding down boot (bios boot)
Draget[m]: I really wonder why the text-mode installer isn't part of every Ubuntu release / flavor. Also for desktop. I have an old laptop which I only managed to install now by blacklisting some modules for the GPU.
oerheks: Draget[m], mini iso is legacy, still available..
oerheks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233746/download-ubuntu-minimal-iso-20-04lts
oerheks: "Note that it moved to legacy images. Folks who use this image should start to look at newer options:"
zetaE: hei
zetaE: question
zetaE: hello
pasiz: hello hello
pasiz: don't tell you have question, just ask it
zetaE: which is a good *buntu distro without the gnomosexual UI?
zetaE: with all its features that doesn.t compromise usability?
tomreyn: !flavors | zetaE
ubottu: zetaE: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
zetaE: tomreyn: I don.t want a crippled flavor
tomreyn: we don't do recommendations for other distros here, nor comparisons of ubuntu and ubuntu flavors to others
zetaE: like puppy linux *buntu edition
zetaE: tomreyn: are you serious? it's a simple request
tomreyn: zetaE: maybe try #linux for those comparisons, but also work on your language
zetaE: tomreyn: can I stay here and wait for somebody else to give an acceptable answer?
tomreyn: zetaE: you can stay here, of course. but others will also comply with the channel !guidelines (see topic) most of the time.
krytarik: Also, I'd rather like we don't engage in distro discussions unless it's within the supported Ubuntu flavors.
idelos[m]: Which email client is better for old hardware? But not too complicated
ioria: idelos[m], gui or tui ?
ioria: idelos[m], i mean : graphical or textual ?
idelos[m]: Gui
ioria: idelos[m], i'd say sylpheed
tomreyn: idelos[m]: if you want a graphical (user) interface, and thunderbird seems too taxing, then maybe claws mail could work. those with a textual interface would certianly be faster
idelos[m]: ioria: I’ll try it
ioria: ok
idelos[m]: tomreyn: Thunderbird is not for me
idelos[m]: I tried mailspring but my computer got slow
ioria: tha's snap
idelos[m]: Should I avoid snap packages?
ioria: nope, but they're always a bit slower
idelos[m]: Ok
kostkon: idelos[m], they are slow to start sometimes, but once you start them they are fine. you are talking strictly about start up times here.
BluesKaj: Hi folks
kostkon: we are*
idelos[m]: kostkon: Thanks for the explanation
* Maik doesn't use any email client for years now, all web based, from my provider to gmail
idelos[m]: I’m trying to avoid Google if possible
BluesKaj: good luck with that :-)
idelos[m]: My email provider is not google
Maik: mine neither, my internet provider has a web based mail on which i can log in idelos[m]
jkc: If you browse to any site that isn't controlled by you, odds are good that you're interfacing with Google somehow.
kostkon: jkc, like 98% of the time, be it ads, trackers, other services
jkc: Yup.
idelos[m]: Firefox + temporary containers + duckduckgo helps to avoid google tracking my activity
orange1: firefox focus i use
idelos[m]: <ioria> "idelos, i'd say sylpheed" <- Btw sylpheed looks perfect
mannequin: ubuntu derps when i restart tor
mannequin: afterwards i need to restart gdm3
jkc: idelos[m]: The funny thing? It really doesn't. Neither your browser nor addons can prevent server-side code from running, and anything about your connection that's external to the browser is the same as well. And don't say "VPN," because if your solution to not trusting a company is to trust another company that's orders of magnitude more shady, I don't know how to help you.
idelos[m]: More shady than google? Is there a facebook vpn?
tomreyn: please move theis meta discussion elsewhere, such as #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks!
OpenBDSM: does anyone have quick gist on the differences between xfce/cinnamon/mate?
oerheks: !flavors
ubottu: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
OpenBDSM: okay, cinnamon it is
oerheks: have fuN!
derek_: hello
derek_: i got tired of the flakey plasma windows manager and switched back to gnome classic. now when i loginto a gnome classic session i have to enter my sudo password 4 or five times as different windows pop up requesting it. how do i stop this?
oerheks: 4 times?
oerheks: enter it right, i guess
derek_: no you dont understand.... its asking me to authenticate for 4 different items
tomreyn: which ubuntu release are you on there?
tomreyn: the difficulty with getting support with the gnome-classic GUI is that not many here will be using it.
derek_: im runnin 20.-4
derek_: 20.04 sorry
derek_: ill probably use a different windows manager and just keep gnome classic as my fall back. i just thought it was weird i had to authenticate so many times
tomreyn: i agree, this does not seem right.
derek_: the important thing is that kde and plasma are gone :)
tomreyn: your logs may have more information on what is causing the repeat password prompts
derek_: they arnt repeat* per say.... they are for different things. but yeah i get ya.....
derek_: recomend me a windows manager?
tomreyn: any of those of used by the flavours
tomreyn: !flavor
ubottu: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
derek_: in regular ubuntu do alt?
derek_: in regular ubuntu does it come with unity or gnome 3 by default ?
Maik: gnome 3
Maik: Unity7 was discontinued with 17.10
Maik: derek_: by the way, Ubuntu 21.10 comes with Gnome 40
Maik: I'm using a Ubuntu remix though that ships Unity: Ubuntu Unity Remix
ioria: you can now have 'Unity experience' with gnome-shell (with Compiz effects) : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/make-gnome-shell-look-like-unity-desktop
Maik: ioria: who needs that when there's a ubuntu unity remix for users who want and miss unity
leftyfb: Maik: people who want support :)
ioria: someone who wants to switch to gnome-shell when he wants
Maik: the project has it's own support media and irc channel too leftyfb :)
Maik: ioria: all done with extensions... yikes
ioria: yep, that would be a problem (in my h opinion)
Maik: derek_: i hope you didn't miss the previous replies :)
derek_: i missed a few im sure
derek_: what happened?
Maik: derek_: 20.04 comes with Gnome 3, 21.10 with Gnome 40
derek_: oh ok
Maik: derek_: I'm using a Ubuntu remix though that ships Unity: Ubuntu Unity Remix
derek_: well i just failed at installing gnome 3. but i made some notes on the authentication windows that pop up.
derek_: i honestly wouldnt mind using unity classic. if i could work through the buggyness
ioria: but having the Cube back, is worth : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/linux-3d-cube-desktop
Maik: but there's no support for Ubuntu Unity Remix in this channel until we become a official flavor derek_
tomreyn: derek_: for what it's worth, i just installed gnome-session-flashback on a clean ubuntu 20.04 installation, and logged into the flashback shell, and got no password prompts
derek_: so i log in through the login screen and a window pops up asking me to enter my password: To create a color profile, and then for modification of networks settings (asks this three times) and then to create a color manaaged device and then it asks me for my password twice for "privacy settings"
tomreyn: i suggest starting out with a fresh ubuntu installation there.
Maik: +1 tomreyn
tomreyn: or a new user account at least
derek_: i just dont have time for that. i have entirely too many modifications on too many pieces of software to make them work
derek_: i think ditching gnome classic is the solution
ioria: flashback != gnome classic
derek_: may i tell the story of how i got into this spot ? maybe it will shed light onto the problem?
tomreyn: ioria: what's 'gnome classic' then?
ioria: tomreyn, flashback is gnome 2
ioria: tomreyn, gnome-classic would be installed , if you simply install gnome-shell-extensions
derek_: i was using ubuntu 20.04 with whatver wm it comes with. and everything was greta. and then i installed kde-desktop and then plasma desktop. everything runs worse on kde..... so now i want to go back, so i thought (ill just log into a gnome session and purge-kde. and now im setting in a gnome classic wm wandering how to get back to the default wm.
ioria: it's gnome 3, but wiithout the widgets of shell
derek_: so i tried this tutorial https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa and it didnt work..... i assume because its still installed from my original ubuntu install.... but idk how to get to that wm
tomreyn: ioria: oh you mean the less ubuntu branded, more oroginal gnome 3 shell
ioria: tomreyn, it's simpler and less ram used
tomreyn: derek_: so which of the two were you referring to originally?
ioria: tomreyn, only one binary : /usr/bin/gnome-session-classic
Maik: derek_: install DE's on top of another and then removing them can be messy. I suggest a clean install and start from scratch.
derek_: tomreyn, i dont understand the question? i just want the default wm back
derek_: Maik, as ive said i dont have time for that. most of this software isnt native to linux and it all runs great but took hours to set up
tomreyn: ioria: i assume by "gnome classic" you are referring to what package vanilla-gnome-desktop provides
ioria: nope
tomreyn: okay, then i'm failing to understand, sorry.
ioria: tomreyn, if you install gnome-shell-extensions , you'll find another item in /usr/share/xsessions : gnome-classic.desktop
tomreyn: derek_: the default window manager on ubuntu 20.04 is mutter, combined with gnome-shell into the Ubuntu branded Gnome 3
derek_: tomreyn, heres a screen shot of what im calling gnome classic
derek_: https://pasteboard.co/x3GQW8geInrl.png
ioria: tomreyn, as usual, you can logout and select it from the login manager
tomreyn: ioria: oh, thanks for explaining. i was thinking that gnome-shell-extensions was installed by default
ioria: ok
derek_: so the only answer to get my install back to the way it was is a fresh wipe of everything?
ogra: derek_, definitely not .... but probably the fastest
ogra: the alternative is to untangle all the GUI lib dependencies and remove the bits you added over time
darius_: hello everyone
derek_: ogra, why do i need to do that? this wm is working...... but theres the login issue (i am able to login) and a bluetooth issue. if i can work through these two issues then im more than happy staying with this
tomreyn: derek_: i *think* (though not sure) that the screenshot you posted shows a GTK2 based gnome-session-flashback session.
ogra: i think there was a gnome3 look like this ...
derek_: tomreyn, "gnome version 3.36.8 X11"
ogra: derek_, well, are these prompts coming from a "send error report" dialog ?
derek_: ogra, no i dont think so
tomreyn: derek_: okay, then this is more likely what ioria described or what the vanilla-gnome-desktop package does
ogra: so then they are likely for some background desktop services that the plasma desktop normally provides
ogra: and i guess some of these still try to start despite you running a different session ... but they likely dont find some authentication backend that plasma would usually provide ...
ogra: and there i guess you need to untangle ...
derek_: tomreyn, ogra ok
tomreyn: and, unlike me, ogra actually knows what they're talking about. ;-)
ogra: am i ? i'm just guessing as well 🙂
derek_: let me log out and back on real fast and ill take more detailed notes
tomreyn: ogra: you have a better understanding of where the one flavor ends and the other one starts i'm sure
ogra: a look at the running pocesses might also help
derek_: hello
derek_: when i log in there is a plain white window that pops up. at the top it says "authentication required" and it has a description of what needs authentication. the first is "authentication is required to create a color profile" i enter my pass word and the same window pops up again but this time the description is "system policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" < this dialogue comes back five times. i have to e
derek_: nter my pass word five times and press ok five times. and then the dialogue comes back and says "authentication is required to create a color managed device" < this requires me to enter my password and press ok twice. and then im in my gnome desktop and everything works perfectly
ioria: i guess he was connecting via RDP
kostkon: ioria, their fault for leaving out critical information
ioria: just a speculation
kostkon: ioria, let's say 50-50 then
ioria: ok
thebros35: /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER thebros35 wdYKztgmV8QQprmk
lagbox: hello, is there a way to find out what is inhibiting the screen from sleeping, i have it set to dim the screen after 10 minutes but at the moment something is inhibiting this behavior and I can't figure out what it is
lagbox: in X with gnome-shell
oerheks: power managment, i guess
lagbox: yea the power management, i need to figure out what application is inhibiting it from working correctly
oerheks: settings > power
lagbox: usually this is after i have ran vlc, but vlc is not running at the moment
oerheks: if set correctly, no program should trigger sleeping
lagbox: something is inhibiting it from dimming the screen
lagbox: it is as if it isn't idle
lagbox: if i start up the session fresh it will dim itself in 10 minutes, but i can't figure out what application is inhibiting it
lagbox: at the moment
oerheks: power - blan screen - never
lagbox: i want it to blank the screen
lagbox: i want it to blank the screen after 10 minutes, which is how i have it set
lagbox: i just want to know what application is inhibiting this behavior
oerheks: auto suspend off
lagbox: i don't have it set to suspend
lagbox: ever
oerheks: then systemsettings > PRIVACY > screen lock
lagbox: i just want the screen to dim
oerheks: maybe that part is hidden too far
lagbox: it works fine, on a fresh session
lagbox: it isn't the settings
lagbox: there is some application that is inhibiting it
oerheks: 2 places, i had to set it correctly
kostkon: lagbox, maybe vlc lurks in the background after you close it. does 'ps -A | grep -i vlc' output anything?
lagbox: it isn't running
lagbox: at all
oerheks: again, check; systemsettings > PRIVACY > screen lock
lagbox: okay ... if i login and just don't run anything in 10 minutes, it will dim like it is supposed to
lagbox: so an application is inhibiting, its not the settings
lagbox: and i dont know which one is doing it
oerheks: oh oke, you want to dim screen, no matter what is running?
lagbox: that is what i keep saying
lagbox: that is how it is setup
oerheks: sorry, i misunderstood :-D
lagbox: but some random application is inhibiting that, i just want to know if there is a way to find out what application is doing it
lagbox: if there isn't then there isn't, done
lagbox: if vlc was running that would make sense but even then that is usually only if the video is actually running
lagbox: don't have this issue with wayland with gnome-shell
lagbox: have other fun issues with wayland :)
oerheks: if it is a laptop, connected powersupply perhaps?
ogra: most media players will inhibit it by default while they are running, but should free up the lock when you close them
lagbox: ogra, right that is what i would assume as well
ogra: (because it is annoying to have to wiggle your mouse every 10 min while watching a movie)
lagbox: indeed
oerheks: tlp tools can see that, AFAIK
ogra: so i guess you should just watch which apps you started when it happens
lagbox: okay so there is no way to find that out
ogra: and then report a bug against that app if it does not release the lock
lagbox: process of elimination
lagbox: danke
ken-ken: Antbody here can help me to install printer's driver for Canon G2000?
oerheks: Canon G2000, is it listed in openprinting.org?
ken-ken: i am not check it yet. i will check it
jhutchins: lagbox: Utilities like top and ps can show you what processes are running. Compare the list from 'ps ax' when you have a 'clean" session with one that is inhibiting sleep.
ken-ken: oerheks: it listed
lagbox: right process of elimination
lagbox: if something has to create a lock, then there should be a way to find out what has a lock
jhutchins: Gnome has a nasty habit of starting processes you didn't ask for and leaving them running when you're not using the system.
lagbox: indeed
lagbox: but if something is inhibiting the power management there should be some way to find out what is doing that since the power management system would know
lagbox: odd that there isn't
lagbox: more research time for me
lagbox: thanks for the ideas
oerheks: https://canonprintersdrivers.net/canon-pixma-g2000-driver/ no driver, and openprinting qualifies it as a paperweight.
ken-ken: oerheks: is that mean not compatible for ubuntu?
oerheks: this forum points to gutenprint, https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/connected-to-usb-but-printer-not-working/3206/2 but all i find is old 16.04 howtos
oerheks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/873640/how-to-solve-canon-pixma-g2000-driver-problems-on-ubuntu-16-04/943899#943899
oerheks: so, i wonder ..
oerheks: https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-PIXMA_G2000
oerheks: oh, more recent; https://seegatesite.com/driver-printer-canon-pixma-g2010-ubuntu/
oerheks: g2000 and g2010 are the same package
ken-ken: oerheks: i think it same. G2000 series
ken-ken: thank you for your assits. i will try it
oerheks: thhis is just one of the canon printers with less support, i guess not many sold. else openprinting would be active on it.
ken-ken: oerheks: when i try to buil dep, the command say: E: Unable to find a source package for cups-common
OpenBDSM: hi. I've installed some more recent ubuntu-based distro and don't like some aspects of it. One of them 'apt' being /usr/local/bin/apt instead of proper /usr/bin/apt. The package that provides that file is 'mintsystem' does anyone know if any GUI package managers will get broken if I uninstall mintsystem package?
OpenBDSM: oh my, `dpkg -L mintsystem` answered that.
oerheks: OpenBDSM, try the #linuxmint channel?
OpenBDSM: oerheks, oh, they got a channel, nice. Thanks
oerheks: have fun!
OpenBDSM: that chan is >10x times smaller and no responses there TT
jhutchins: OpenBDSM: Mint tends to have good technical support, perhaps at the expense of instant gratification.
jhutchins: OpenBDSM: Most Linux distros are following th etrend to merge /usr/local/bin with /usr/bin
OpenBDSM: jhutchins, merge how?
Maik: !Mint
ubottu: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle)
Maik: OpenBDSM: ^
Maik: we don't support mint here
OpenBDSM: Maik, >:[
Maik: it is as it is OpenBDSM
OpenBDSM: I wouldn't switch from ubuntu if it wasn't being so pushy about snapd
Apachez: !ubuntu
ubottu: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
jkc: OpenBDSM: snaps actually solve a number of problems that have plagued Linux distros for years. Look at chromium in Debian. That's why Ubuntu installs it as a snap.
jkc: certbot is another good example.
OpenBDSM: IMO snaps introduce more problems then they solve.
OpenBDSM: what's about chromium in Debian?
jkc: Okay. You're welcome to your opinion, however erroneous it may be.
leftyfb: OpenBDSM: ok, feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic or #snappy. Good luck with #linuxmint
OpenBDSM: I'm now investigating a switch from mint to Debian, it's another deb-based distro that is yet uninfected by snap
leftyfb: OpenBDSM: ok, good luck. Feel free to post here with ubuntu support questions if you ever decide to use ubuntu
OpenBDSM: thanks, I still use Ubuntu on my home PC for now (18.04, probably will die in may)
tebruno99: Man, I'm out. Someone PM Me when this turns back into a helpful open community channel & the topic police have retired.
tebruno99: 22 years, pfft, should have stayed on Freenode.
leftyfb: Ubuntu has only been out for 17 years
toddc: Drama on linux or Ubuntu?
Maik: toddc: he's making a drama out of it it seems, if we do not support mint we do not support it. Simple as that.
jinnjus: kllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll,m']
Maik: jinnjus: need help with anything?
jinnjus: omg...sorry...my cat
Maik: lol
bugweiser: rfm and tomreyn, re yesterday:
bugweiser: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760508
ubottu: Debian bug 760508 in sharutils "sharutils: uuencode(5) man page contradicts itself" [Minor, Open]
bugweiser: <sney> 8 year old bug report on an issue that originally appeared who knows when, maybe it was a university student BSing something to get it done on the clock, #debian will not easily be able to find the original reason for this
bugweiser: <sney> my advice would be, fix the man page, reply to that bug with fix attached and tag the bug 'patch', and cc [email protected]
a1_: clear
bugweiser: a1_ that at me?
Guest5135: https://space-of-datings.top/fbvideo/?u=92ywwwl&o=rxn8un2
leftyfb: !op | Guest5135
ubottu: Guest5135: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, chu
leftyfb: bugweiser: what is your Ubuntu support question exactly?
bugweiser: I was reporting back (as promised). the documentation source in this case turned out to be debian
bugweiser: though.. *any* help regarding figuring out if that particular second example was manually 'crafted' out of thin air, or 'simply' pasted from gnu sharutils uuencode output (meaning this format once upon a time really was produced by gnu uuencode) would very much be appreciated... It would aid in writing a significantly better manpage upstream (which would in turn also benefit ubuntu and other debian derivatives).
Guest5135: https://yip.su/26zpB6.jpeg
leftyfb: Guest5135: stop
bugweiser: (being the example specified in the bugrapport, noting that that bugrapport didn't notice the rest of the description of the historical algo is also incorrect (space instead of backtick)
oerheks: bugweiser, why copy paste what you already said in #debian?
bugweiser: I didn't, I rapported back, as I promised. These are new words (apart from the response of sney which obviously I copied)
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ogra: thanks krytarik
krytarik: Well, he'll be back later again anyway.. >_>
oerheks: grinn
Gaboradon: Hello
bugweiser: :)
Gaboradon: Is there a way I could "verify" or compare my state of the root/OS versus the original image I installed, to see the diff I did and give me an overview to backup changes I did to defaults, it's 20.04 LTS, is perhaps "System Validation Mode" exactly that?
Gaboradon: Without doing a manual diff with terminal :p I could just take the image, extract it and do a diff but if there's a tool for just this process?
oerheks: there is debsums, to do a sanity check
oerheks: sudo apt-get install debsums && sudo debsums
kostkon: !info debsums
ubottu: debsums (3.0.2, impish): tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. In component universe, is optional. Built by debsums. Size 36 kB / 108 kB
oerheks: not exactly against your packages, they might even have updates in between
oerheks: Verify every installed package and report changed files only.>> sudo debsums -c
leftyfb: Gaboradon: you want to use something like ansible to have "build instructions" to build it the same ever time. If you make change after your first deploy, make sure to add those changes to your playbook
peacefulman: helpful for the debsums command, thanks
peacefulman: when I installed ubuntu it said there was an error in the media but I was impatient and installed anyway :/
ogra: krytarik, yeah, i justs didn't want your fighting of windmills go unnoticed 😉
krytarik: Yeah, thanks! XD
Gaboradon: oerheks: interesting, but I only need actual contents of the changes I did to various .conf files in /etc rather than program instalations, I could do it all manually but I hoped for a faster way.
oerheks: oh oke, -ca or -ce
leftyfb: Gaboradon: if you only want to see changes to files, then use something like fswatch or tripwire
oerheks: https://sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/03/02/how-to-verify-installed-packages/
oerheks: Verify every installed package and report changed configuration files only.
oerheks: $ sudo debsums -ce
nikolam: Any opinions over Linux kernel overcommit or turn it off? (/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory 2 is to stop overcommit)?
leftyfb: nikolam: you probably want #linux
oerheks: !info filetraq
ubottu: filetraq (0.3+nmu1, impish): Small utility to keep track of changes in config files. In component universe, is optional. Built by filetraq. Size 11 kB / 37 kB
leftyfb: or that :)
leftyfb: or git repos
oerheks: still, debsums are my favo, though there is an issue with files in /etc/ something
Gaboradon: Interesting
jhutchins: !tripwire
jhutchins: Nope.
jhutchins: http://tripwire.sf.net/
kenyon: Gaboradon: install etckeeper immediately after installing Ubuntu.
Gaboradon: Will do next time, thanks a lot!
kenyon: Never too soon to start using etckeeper too
kenyon: Err, never too late
hays: is there anything newer than 21.10, like a nightly or other snapshot?
oerheks: yes, 22.04 is in development, join #ubuntu-next for that
oerheks: !22.04
ubottu: Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) will be the 36th release of Ubuntu, scheduled for release April 2022 (https://ubottu.com/y/jj). Join #ubuntu-next for support and questions.
oerheks: daily build https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
oerheks: .. it will be LTS
sem: For some reason, booting the 5.4 Linux kernel gives me virtual terminals but no GUI. What can I do to start investigating this? Lubuntu 20.04.3
jhutchins: sem: Does the default screen have a flashing cursor or anything?
jhutchins: sem: What is your graphics chipset?
sem: It shows some boot messages and I can switch to the virtual terminals. I tried "startx" and I get a very low res ubuntu
sem: jhutchins: I forget the exact name, but it's an old one that uses nvidia-340
sem: jhutchins: GeForce GT 240
ELQEYNN: On the Nautilus file browser, how do you see hidden files?
sem: pretty sure it's ctrl-h
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Dr-007: im experiencing this error after a pretty fresh ubuntu install: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1288626/ubuntu-20-10-sssd-system-security-services-daemon-failure
Dr-007: should i just disable it?
Dr-007: thats what theyre saying but it seems pretty important
sarnold: if you don't use sssd you could probably just purge it
Dr-007: but what does it do?
Dr-007: seems important with the term security in its name
tomreyn: note that you have not indicated the error message nor your ubuntu release.
Dr-007: oh yeah, let me make a paste
tomreyn: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd
Dr-007: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2q7nXRkwqF/
tomreyn: so it's possibly ubuntu 20.04 LTS with the HWE kernel, and there is no error.
MrCollinsGA: hey guys. I have been doing some major reading on ubuntu all day. Is there a way to tell a script that it must have highest cpu priority, generally speaking? Ubuntu 20.04 terminal
sarnold: MrCollinsGA: nice -20 would probably do it
MrCollinsGA: ive been reading about that as well. thank you. I didnt want to try it and 'bork' something
sarnold: you're probably pretty safe with that -- other processes can still get to the CPU by default, just not to the same level of fairness
MrCollinsGA: sarnold, thank you very much :)
sarnold: there's also realtime scheduling priorities that are far more powerful, but I would be very reluctant to use those on a script; they're also a lot easier to make things pretty unusable if the software isn't written correctly
sarnold: definitely try nice -20 before looking at the realtime scheduling stuff
MrCollinsGA: arnold so in essence /foo/bar/script.sh nice -20 && (if I had to have the && for some reason)
MrCollinsGA: would the nice -20 come before or after arguements or doesnt matter?
sarnold: MrCollinsGA: the other way around -- nice -20 /foo/bar/script.sh
MrCollinsGA: ahhhh!
MrCollinsGA: ok thank you! :) got it
Dr-007: tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d4vHR2RQbV/
Dr-007: but yeah i saw your url and its stuff i dont need
Dr-007: so ill uninstall
rdr: does anyone know why gnome-boxes vm wouldn't be able to see a device on my LAN?
sarnold: what networking options does gnome-boxes offer? you probably want bridged if you're going to want it on your network
jhutchins: rdr: Start small and work up. Can it see the host? Can it see the LAN, or anything on it?
rdr: oh i figured it out thanks
rdr: i had to use virt-manager and set up a bridged connection
jhutchins: rdr: What documentation are you using to set up your host/guest?
jhutchins: rdr: Yeah, that sounds right.
lain6141: Can somebody please help me setting up external monitor please?
luckiswithme: lain6141: wayland session?
luckiswithme: what's the problem?
lain6141: I'm trying to connect the primary display which is my laptop with external monitor.
jhutchins: luckiswithme: What happens when you plug it in and turn it on?
lain6141: It scales to 200% too
lain6141: ^^ I meant external monitor
lain6141: I want something like scale of 100% on external monitor
luckiswithme: change it in the settings
luckiswithme: go to settings > display > scale to 100%
lain6141: Yeah I tried but it doesn't allow two different scaling
lain6141: If I apply 200% to lapop then it automatically configures 200% to external monitor too
lain6141: If it helps I tried nvidia x server settings but it shows prime displays cannot be controlled by nvidia-settings and must be configured by an external RandR capable tool.
lain6141: Also I tryied enabling fraction scaling but everything lags and becomes buggy.
luckiswithme: yes but what happens when you select the individual screen and try to scale it
lain6141: from display settings?
lain6141: It does get selected but when I hit apply it applies to both the screen.
sarnold: lain6141: maybe this xrandr --scale can help https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HiDPI#Multiple_displays
jhutchins: lain6141: So have you tried configuring it with an external R&R capable tool?
lain6141: sarnold: jhutchins: Nope, I'm scared using xrandr as I've read it's hard to reconfigure or reset once it gets bad
sarnold: lain6141: meh, worst case you reboot
lain6141: It if helps my laptop screen resolution is 2880 X 1620 pixels and external monitor is 1280 X 1024.
sarnold: lain6141: it doesn't do anything permanent, it only affects a running system
lain6141: sarnold: I see
pingpongball: Hey ubuntu babes
pingpongball: and also coredevelopers
pingpongball: If here is core ubuntu *snapd* developer here.
lotuspsychje: !snap
ubottu: Snaps are containerised software packages similar to Flatpaks and AppImages. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io
lotuspsychje: !snappy
ubottu: Ubuntu Core is a version of Ubuntu with transactional updates completely built from snap packages (also see !snap). For discussion and support, please visit #snappy and see https://ubuntu.com/core
pingpongball: I'll love to see *snapd* , as *Soysystemd free*
pingpongball: I cant install on systemd free environment.
pingpongball: ;(
lotuspsychje: in this channel we focus on ubuntu support issues pingpongball
pingpongball: oh ok fine , Thank you for supporting O:3
pingpongball: oh i use arch btw
Gallomimia: any idea how i can make ubuntu 21.10 keep playing music thru my HDMI connection after turning off the screens for night?
Gallomimia: nothing cooperates these days
gneeriiloeepdeer: I don't know if this is the right channel. If not, suggest other ones.
gneeriiloeepdeer: Im working with an epub. I have heavily edited it, marked text, added quotations...
gneeriiloeepdeer: I changed the file's name and now all my annotations are gone
gneeriiloeepdeer: how is this data stored? where do I find it?
gneeriiloeepdeer: I renamed the file back, all my annotations are back, but I still want to rename the epub. How do I proceed?
tomreyn: Scrappy: you seem to have messaged me a couple times lately. please note that i drop personal messages by default. do you have an ubuntu support question? if so, please ask here, if not, i'm also in #ubuntu-offtopic.
tomreyn: gneeriiloeepdeer: it would be good if you could provide more information on whihc ubuntu version you're using and, most of all, which editor you used.
gneeriiloeepdeer: Ubuntu21.10 and E-book viewer
gneeriiloeepdeer: I have found an option to export my highlights (annotations n stuff), but there is not an option to import them to a renamed epub
tomreyn: this seems to be Calibre
Woet: I have set vm swappiness to 0 and despite having 26 GB of RAM available, my swap is still being used. How can I avoid this and use swap only as an emergency? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Woet/b4088bf2383ed03ee4af898771fa24f8/raw/2307ddbb7ebb76583e84de51787ae53fa805caa6/gistfile1.txt
tomreyn: gneeriiloeepdeer: you could try asking in #calibre
Leoneof: gneeriiloeepdeer: you can save that file in with filename, solved?
Leoneof: with *new*
gneeriiloeepdeer: I savved the epub to a new filename and all my highlights disappeared. Highlights are now saved as an external md file
Leoneof: weird
rfm: Woet, aomethimg you're running must be leaking memory; the most effective way I know is to just swapoff after a reboot and see what crashes with ENOMEM...
Woet: rfm: I know what's using it, they're just regular processes that like eating RAM (like Java)
Woet: the problem is, I don't want them to use it unless there is no memory at all
Woet: when I use swapoff, nothing crashes, because there is plenty of RAM :)
Woet: in fact, if I run swapoff -a now, the "available" column in "free -m" just goes down by the same amount of swap that was in use
Woet: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Woet/667458af6789a88c2da762b66d8e320e/raw/726c88485cb2f66a035bb2b4f2d2762138a3ee3b/gistfile1.txt
Woet: like this (other server)
tomreyn: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html#swappiness describes the effect of swappiness=0. see also the vfs_cache_pressure and watermark_* descriptions on this page. or just keep it as it is, and focus on relevant topics. ;-)
Woet: tomreyn: sure, I can keep it as it is and focus on buying a new SSD because this one died an early life due to swap writes :)
gneeriiloeepdeer: does any of you have any idea how to contact the creator of e-book viewer? he doesnt list any contact information: https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/edit.html#renaming-files
ducasse: gneeriiloeepdeer: they have facebook and twitter accounts, https://calibre-ebook.com/help
Maik: gneeriiloeepdeer: it's not a ubuntu support question so ask for help at #calibre where you already are or have a look on their website
Maik: Scrappy: fix your connection, again, please
tomreyn: Woet: might be worth it. current (and the past ~5 years') SSD models won't repeat that scenario.
Woet: tomreyn: Data Units Read: 373,869,472 [191 TB]
Woet: :(
tomreyn: Woet: SSDs are different, not the way data is read or written to a swap partition on them
tomreyn: (although the "discard" mount option is 'new' (Linux 2.6.29) for swap)
DrNostril: hi all
DrNostril: my thinkpad with ubuntu 20 LTS keeps dropping off my wifi every couple hours
DrNostril: the only way to get it back on is to restart the machine
DrNostril: dmesg -w reveals:
DrNostril: thinkpad_acpi: unhandled HKEY event 0x6031
DrNostril: what the h is happening
CapeTown77: hi all
CapeTown77: There is a problem in ubuntu that has been lingering for close on 20 years
CapeTown77: It isn't possible to change date/time/currency/numberic formats for a country and so for countries that accept more than one standard, that is a major problem.
CapeTown77: Example is South Africa that accepts both , and . as separaters for decimal places. Comma used to be more dominant pre-1990. Point is more dominant now. It isn't possible to change this on Ubuntu.
CapeTown77: That effectively makes office packages like LibreOffice unusable
ducasse: CapeTown77: have you looked at the LC_* variables?
CapeTown77: Yes. But if can't fix the issue without rebuilding LC files.
ducasse: is there a bug filed?
CapeTown77: I can change comma to decimal by using another country's locale but I still have the problem with currency otherwise the currency symbol changes to that country's symbol
CapeTown77: There have been two bugs that have been open for over a decade
CapeTown77: It's quite a well known issue if you google it.
ducasse: only thing i can suggest is mark yourself as affected and comment on the bug report
CapeTown77: Done that previous but got shot down by moderators
CapeTown77: Also tried addressing it through LibreOffice
ducasse: imo it would be an os-level issue
CapeTown77: I agree
ducasse: tomreyn: suhhestions? ^^
CapeTown77: everything comes down to the handling of locales which unfortunately is inadequate
CapeTown77: Windows does it correctly and allows customisation off the default locale settings
CapeTown77: Linux doesn't
CapeTown77: e.g. there are various date formats that are acceptable in South Africa yyyy-mm-dd or dd/mm/yyyy etc
ducasse: wait until systemd grabs control of this too :)
tomreyn: no. a bug was filed, it's probably not ubuntu specific, though, i.e. would have to be handled more upstream, which would probably take a long time even when pushed hard.
CapeTown77: currency used to be R 1 234 567,00 now the dominant format is R 1 234 567.00 but both are acceptable
tomreyn: (and it does not seem like CapeTown77 has a current ubuntu support question that this mostly community maintained channel could handle.)
CapeTown77: so who should pick this up?
ducasse: try #linux as it seems distro independent
tomreyn: my guess would be on glibc/sourceware
segamain: even when I turned off automatic updates and stuff I still get this when I try to install a package with apt Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It ^C held by process 7812 (unattended-upgr)... 4s
segamain: can I just delete the lock file ??
tomreyn: probably not a good idea.
tomreyn: inspect process with the given pid instead
tomreyn: ps 7812
tomreyn: has it been actively recently / idled for a long time?
segamain: It's been like that since I installed ubuntu
tomreyn: unattended-upgrades also writes a log file in /var/log/ - see what it is doing, when the log was last updated
tomreyn: if you don't want unattended apt upgrades, you could uninstall the 'unattended-upgrades' package
segamain: tomreyn: where can I find it ?? apt search finds it but it doesn't locate it :/
CoJaBo: Is it possible to install gimp with working plugins in Bionic? It seems python support is horrificly broken; is there any possible work-around?
CoJaBo: I found a work-around mentioned in a comment on https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/128091/gimp-2-10-12-not-loading-python-plugins but it's not clear enough what I have to install
CoJaBo: Actually, I more need it in Focal; I think I've broken the Bionic system beyond repair at this point
bubbler_: q
BluesKaj: Hi folks
Cybertinus: Hello all. I’m currently upgrading a 32 bit 16.04 to 32 bit 18.04. This is the last version which supports 32 bit x86, so is there a way to upgrade 32 bit 18.04 to 64 bit 18.04? My CPU supports x86_64
ducasse: Cybertinus: only a reinstall
Cybertinus: Yeah. Thought so indeed…
Cybertinus: I was hoping to avoid that ;)
Cybertinus: Idle hope, I know, but never hurts to ask :)
Jeremy31: Backup the /home somewhere
mannequin: i think you could try adding an architecture via chroot environment and replacing 32bit packages with 64 bit
mannequin: but this isn't easy, it might not work and it's time consuming
Cybertinus: Yeah. Then a reinstall is easier and a more stable solution
Cybertinus: Especially because it isn’t my personal laptop. I’m helping a friend who has a friend with this laptop ;)
Gallomimia: having friends is so complicated :(
Maik: Gallomimia: if you just want to chit chat then please join #ubuntu-offtopic
Intelo: How do I know mosh is running fine? I just installed it. How do I run it?
Intelo: I installed it on a server
WEbChat53: Good Afternoon, how do i install steam on a secondary drive?
Mathisen: Intelo, read the docs
Intelo: read all
Intelo: Mathisen next?
Mathisen: read it again ?
Mathisen: Intelo, to be honest if you read it you would know how to use it
Intelo: how 'exactly' I know that mosh is running on the server? and listenign to some port
Mathisen: correct udp port to be specific
itsallbull: hello there
fub: Hi. Running Ubuntu20 on a 5.14 kernel with vmware tech preview on Apple Silicon here. Worked fine until now where I noticed that after logging in via gdm, the screen goes black for 1-2minutes, then its normal again. Like some timeout Im running into. This happens for i3 as well as for gnome.
fub: How do I debug this?
fub: Ok I found out its the three lines I added to sysctl.conf to diable ipv6.
edlou: dont do it man
edlou: ipv6 is the future
Sven_vB: hi :) I'm looking for a tool for Ubuntu focal that I runs my command, and in case it prints something to stderr, opens a window that shows error output. ideally the window would open as soon as the first message, and collect all subsequent messages that may arise. and also re-open if further errors occurr after I close the log window. do we have that?
leftyfb: Sven_vB: notify-send
Sven_vB: thanks, I'll have a look. isn't that about "toast" poupu notifications though?
leftyfb: Sven_vB: what does it matter? You get the message
Sven_vB: last time I used them, I couldn't copy text from those popups. I'll try again though.
leftyfb: you can't
leftyfb: Sven_vB: if you have your own script doing a thing and notifying the user of some information, that notification probably isn't the best place to have them take another step with copy/paste instructions. What is the purpose of copying the text exactly?
Sven_vB: I have a text-to-speech CLI tool on a keyboard shortcut and usually it works without visual interaction because it can just read audibly. only when it cannot, I'm interested in seeing why.
Sven_vB: as for the copy part, I could just add a tee to a logfile though, and copy from there.
zarzza: Hi. I want to install mint. In my pc i have a 1TB hdd with photos music, a 240gb ssd with windows 10 and a 64gb ssd. I want to install linux in the 64gb ssd. I don't know nothing about repartitioning. Theinstaller asks me if i want erase disk and install linux, and i want to do that on the 64gb ssd. The installer doesn't say what disk it is going
zarzza: to be erased. I want the 64gb ssd to be erased and nothing else!
zarzza: i saw only the installer of mx linux makes you chose the disk to erase
Maik: !Mint | zarzza
ubottu: zarzza: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle)
Maik: zarzza: that being said, we do not provide support with Mint or any other distro here
zarzza: alright, even if i guess the installeris the same
zarzza: thank you anyway
Maik: though the installer might be the same, Mint is not Ubuntu
Sven_vB: zarzza, learning about gparted is worth it. with gparted, you can prepare your partitions much easier than with the installer; then in the installer you can choose custom partitioning and just tell it which of the prepared partitions to use.
Maik: Sven_vB: they are gone
Sven_vB: oh. yeah.
Intelo: How to know if a firewall is onn or off? what rules it has? in ubuntu by default
Maik: sudo ufw status
leftyfb: ufw only tells half the story. If you're troubleshooting connectivity issues potentially related to a "firewall", I would go right to iptables: sudo iptables -L -n
KBar: Intelo: the command you're looking for is `sudo ufw status`.
Intelo: ufw was enabled by vultr. This is not the case usually. Ubuntu ships with all ports open if a daemon is there
Intelo: KBar what could be the reason?
KBar: Intelo: sorry, I've got no idea.
KBar: Intelo: you can disable it if you want: `sudo ufw disable`.
leftyfb: Intelo: what is vultr?
camelopardalis: ouh là , c'est le premier test ...
KBar: leftyfb: probably this? https://www.vultr.com/
leftyfb: then it's not a stock image of ubuntu
Intelo: KBar leftyfb yes vultr.com . Isee
leftyfb: Intelo: you'll have to contact vultr.com for support with their custom images
Intelo: will do
Intelo: thanks
tpWASGui1don4: hi
oerheks: Yes.
tpWASGui1don4: hi, I'm trying to install goland via snap but I received this error libXi.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
tpWASGui1don4: how can I fix this?
ogra: are you running wayland on your desktop ?
ogra: (sounds like it is trying to use Xorg but can not ...)
tpWASGui1don4: I'm installing the goland inside the lxd container
ogra: well, in any case this sounds like a packaging bug ... you should contact jetbrains abut it
tpWASGui1don4: well I will try
ogra: (snaps, even the --classic ones, need to be self contained, they should make sure to ship all libs required to run the app and make sure the app finds the shipped libs)
ninjaxpresskgn: E:can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal-updates_InRelease - fopen (13: Ijin ditolak), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
ninjaxpresskgn: E:can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal-updates_InRelease - fopen (13: Ijin ditolak), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
ogra: ninjaxpresskgn, for sudo when running apt update ?
ogra: *forgot
ogra: well, that was a fruitful conversation
jhutchins: Bet he was running it as a user.
leftyfb: not sure what installing goland via snap has to do with apt errors
tpWASGui1don4: ogra, fyi fixed by installing libxi6
leftyfb: a snap does not require any apt packages to be installed other than snapd
jackneilll: hey. i'd like to ask for help. i did an sudo update-grub and rebooted and now i dont get the luks pass screen at boot. but an initramfs.
jackneilll: any idea?
jackneilll: only added mitigations=off to the kernel cmdline
jackneilll: at /etc/default/grub
jackneilll: "key load error: failed to open key material file"
jackneilll: (i have zfs)
nikk88: Hello
nikk88: My network adapter doesn't work
nikk88: can u help?
nikk88: pls?
jhutchins: !doesn't work
ubottu: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.
nikk88: my sistem doesnt see any network adapter after the latest security update
jhutchins: nikk88: Have you reviewed dmesg to see what the system thinks is happening? What kind of adapter is it? Make & model? On motherboard, separate card, or external? PCI ID (lspci -nn)?
jhutchins: nikk88: Which release of Ubuntu are you running?
Jeremy31: nikk88: in terminal check> dpkg -l | grep linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)
nikk88: release is 2004 focal fossa
nikk88: its a PCI and im trying to find its name
nikk88: @Jeremy31 Done, what now?
Jeremy31: nikk88: was there any result in terminal?
Jeremy31: or did it go back to a prompt?
nikk88: there is result
Jeremy31: nikk88: Ok, I don't need to see the result
oerheks: sudo lshw -c network
Jeremy31: nikk88: For the adapters check> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net
SuperLag: I have a Pi running Ubuntu Mate, that I'm trying to VNC into. It says "Cannot currently
nikk88: @Jer no return
SuperLag: doh
gh0st`: Supwrlag
nikk88: @oer already did, there is no *-network
gh0st`: Ping the servers
Jeremy31: nikk88: Dual Boot with Windows?
SuperLag: I have a Pi running Ubuntu Mate, that I'm trying to VNC into. It says "Cannot currently show the desktop." and research says I need to change the resolution. I just did that when I took it out of my closet, and plugged it into this display, but when I put it back in the closet headless, it went back to that state. Is there any way to change resolution for xorg/wayland, from an SSH session?
nikk88: originally yes, now just ubuntu
oerheks: .. fastboot probably enabled
nikk88: do i disable that?
jackneilll: it seems mitigations=off causes the error. no idea why.
SuperLag: gh0st`: what?
nikk88: bump
nikk88: any one?ù
jhutchins: nikk88: I asked you several questions you haven't answered yet.
jhutchins: SuperLag: Can you connect via ssh?
nikk88: yes, i have
nikk88: again, os is focal fossa
nikk88: rest idk, its what im trying to figure out
jhutchins: nikk88: dmesg and lspci -nn
jhutchins: dmesg says what's wrong, it's just buried in a lot of noise.
jhutchins: I think we've hit at least one NIC regression with the most recent kernel.
patriksarah: I have an Andersson USB-hub, why wont it work in either ubuntu or windows? I can plug in my mouse in it, but not my harddrive.. it wont be recognised even though it powers up the harddrive
patriksarah: I unplugged the usb hub and plugged in the harddrive directly to my computers usb, and it works fine'
Maik: patriksarah: maybe you need a powered usb hub to make the drive work
Maik: and i bet it's just that
patriksarah: ah thats why, i saw the power socket in my usb hub today and thought thats weird, because ive never seen one before (i usually dont use hubs)... but that explains it..
patriksarah: even more weird is that it never came with the power cable
Hanumaan: trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 (remote machine) and it is stopping not upgrading after giving these errors : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vj7k43hDK8/
jhutchins: Hanumaan: Is it expected to be able to jump several versions in an LTS upgrade? I always thought best practice was to only upgrade one version at a time.
ravage: there is no LTS version between 18.04 and 20.04
ravage: i just dont see any errors in that log
oerheks: what foreign python packages did you install, Hanumaan ?
ravage: oh right. rc1 does not look like an ubuntu package :)
oerheks: Package: python2.7 (2.7.17-1~18.04ubuntu1.6) should be your current, without any ppa
peto: hi, somebody use ispconfig?
jhutchins: peto: No, but we might be able to answer a system configuration question.
jhutchins: peto: Are you trying to use it? Why?
peto: @jhutchins yes, im trying, I wanted a page for manage my server
peto: but maybe it was a mistake, my server runs OK
peto: i have installed the ispconfig on my server, and now i can reach the site only on server, but not on another pc in local lan
jhutchins: peto: Managing your own server is not something to be left to a web page.
jhutchins: peto: The web front-ends are intended for user-level clients who insist on "managing" their own web sites and such, and require a competent administrator behind the web page to keep the systems running and fix them when the web config system breaks.
ravage: it is totally off topic anyway :)
jhutchins: peto: What does your server serve?
jhutchins: ravage: No, it's not. Actually using ubuntu is topical.
oerheks: how did you setup your server networking?
oerheks: local lan no access sounds just like a simple issue
ravage: i have customers running Plesk on Ubuntu. So i can send them here?
peto: @jhutchins i have there web server, and will mail server
oerheks: i am sure ispconfig does not use netplan :-P
peto: @oerheks what do you mean with setup my server? sorry but im newbie in this :/
jhutchins: ravage: Yes, send them here, and we can sort out if it's an application problem or a system problem.
ravage: cool
oerheks: ravage, newbies only thanks
oerheks: but peto, what are you exactly doing, write down a pastbin with details, what ubuntu version, network config, ..
oerheks: and what guide did you follow
patriksarah: Hello im trying to sign kernel modules i think it is, in order for my VM machine to work with Kali. However, I missed the step on nr 3 to enter Mok Manager EFI utility during restart, so I just booted normally. What can i do=
patriksarah: https://superuser.com/questions/1438279/how-to-sign-a-kernel-module-ubuntu-18-04
oerheks: i think you find no kali support here, patriksarah
Jeremy31: Tell the VM to not use Secure Boot
patriksarah: Thank you, how do I tell the VM not to use secure boot?
patriksarah: but oerheks its an ubuntu support, for oracle VM... im trying to set it up, so i can load other operating systems on it :(
Jeremy31: Look in the VM BIOS/UEFI settings
oerheks: yeah right, kali changes your whole root system. good luck.
oerheks: not an ubuntu issue, seriously
Jeremy31: Probably not, even if the VM is run on Ubuntu
oerheks: that we don't even know
patriksarah: I just needed help with signing kernel modules, which are on Ubuntu.
Jeremy31: patriksarah: disable Secure Boot
patriksarah: jeremy31, im trying to find it right now
Jeremy31: Reboot and get into BIOS/UEFI settings, much easier than using MOK
patriksarah: okay thank you ill try right now
peto: @oerheks do you need some more info? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JBrKHQXRqs/
patriksarah: It worked by disabling seecure boot, which I turned back on after trying the virtual machine
patriksarah: Thank you!
patriksarah: now does anyone know how i undo the kernel modules I signed? https://superuser.com/questions/1438279/how-to-sign-a-kernel-module-ubuntu-18-04
tomreyn: patriksarah: you shouldn't need to undo module signing
patriksarah: Okay thank you =)
patriksarah: I havent used Ubuntu in so many years so it feels like Im starting all over
tomreyn: good luck there. please provide your ubuntu version next time you ask a question, this will prevent people from jumping to conculisions when you only mention software you run in a VM.
tomreyn: *conclusions
patriksarah: Okay I will do
tomreyn: peto: is your goal to host multiple websites with php scripting and mysql database, as well as to send and receive mail and to host mailboxes for multiple email addresses on multiple domain names, as well as to provide ftp access for multiple users to their webspace?
tomreyn: i.e. is your goal to become a hosting provider there?
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Kingsquee: https://paste.uguu.se/?43bd5d5f937e931c#96p4VFsJd1ziYkTyRR2pCbF4EL1awJecwhoz9YVm5w3o
Kingsquee: does anyone know how to fix this?
Kingsquee: tons of " libglib2.0-0:i386 depends on libc6 (>= 2.28); however: Package libc6:i386 is not configured yet."
tomreyn: Kingsquee: which ubuntu release is this, which kernel version?
tomreyn: lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version
Kingsquee: tomreyn: https://paste.uguu.se/?ba52e5a06b5a4b5a#42M2tiMtLJuvvxaSje14E3WvYHom2PqxUNYp3ZVH7KB3
Kingsquee: seems to be happening a lot https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg794240.html
Kingsquee: looks like a similar problem years ago: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2257141
tomreyn: Kingsquee: bug 1962780 is marked invalid. it is a report by a linux mint user, seconded by a pop os! user. and you use kde neon. none of those are ubuntu.
ubottu: Bug 1962780 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "During install 'error processing package libglib2.0-0:i386'" [Undecided, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1962780
Kingsquee: tomreyn: they're all ubuntu based distros
tomreyn: Kingsquee: yes, and that "based" is where it's beyond the scope of this channel
Kingsquee: and considering it's package management affecting all of them, the problem seems upstream
tomreyn: this is an assumption, or guess, at best.
tomreyn: Please do file a bug if this happens on Ubuntu.
Kingsquee: and I'm glad that's where you folks come in
tomreyn: until then, please seek support from kde neon support channels, or something like #linux
Kingsquee: feel free to pm
sybariten: hey hey, i'm using glances which is a process monitor. I am having strange (?) issues of it exiting spontaneously, if i do cursor down. Is this normal perhaps?
sybariten: its like a curses app... i think... so i expected to be able to scroll a cursor over different processes , when i press cursors. and then be able to kill them
pycurious: Anyone here using logitech mx master 3 on ubuntu? For some reason my machine wont see the mouse.
pycurious: https://danishshakeel.me/configure-logitech-mx-master-3-on-linux-logiops/
Maximalist: my vpn keeps disconnecting and only reconnects when I disconnect from the internet and reconnect. Do I need to install network drivers of some sort to fix this?
Kingsquee: HAHA, it worked
Kingsquee: for the more pragmatically minded here, this worked: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1285751/dpkg-error-processing-package-libglib2-0-0i386
Kingsquee: better luck next time, tom
sarahzrf: Hi
sarahzrf: I need help un-hosing my ubuntu VPS
sarahzrf: i had left it un-upgraded for a very long timeâ€"it was on bionicâ€"and i tried to do-release-upgrade and got some python errors in the middle saying like KeyError: "The cache has no package named 'ubuntu-minimal'"
sarahzrf: i googled and found this, and like an idiot i did the thing suggested in the first answer without really thinking it thru https://superuser.com/questions/1400979/do-release-upgrade-fails-with-keyerror-the-cache-has-no-package-named-ubuntu
sarahzrf: this resulted in having a ton of new packages to install; after some upgrading, i tried to do-release-upgrade again, which failed, demanding "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."â€"i think the previous half-complete do-release-upgrade may have finished changing the repo listings so that it was trying to install focal packages now, but it was refusing to get
sarahzrf: everything up to date
sarahzrf: i tried using apt dist-upgrade to coax it into installing the held back packages, but that just made it start removing random stuff
sarahzrf: now i seem to be stuck in half-upgraded limbo with a bunch of packages removed
sarahzrf: anyone have advice??
jhutchins: sarahzrf: Did you back it up before the upgrade?
sarahzrf: n-no
sarahzrf: i maybe stupid
jhutchins: sarahzrf: Not as long as you learn.
jhutchins: sarahzrf: Honestly, NOBODY does a backup before they upgrade. The best I've done is upgrade half of a cluster at a time, make sure it worked before I did the other half.
jhutchins: sarahzrf: Do you have packages from PPAs installed?
sarahzrf: i think i might
leftyfb: sarahzrf: can you ssh to it now?
leftyfb: sarahzrf: If you do, I would highly suggest using scp or rsync to backup all of your files and configs. If there's databases, dump them and rsync those as well. Then rebuild from scratch and restore from backup. That will be the quickest, easiest and cleanest solution. That isn't to say your situation is unrecoverable, it might be. But in my opinion, isn't worth the time and effort.
sarahzrf: >_<
sarahzrf: i was considering just setting up a new vps, but then i realized how much configuration i'd need to do and decided i didnt want to...
sarahzrf: i do have ssh access, but i have no idea whether it'll boot again if i shut it off
sarahzrf: so i can only consider it a bit of a time bom
sarahzrf: *bomb
Whisky`: how much config is there?
leftyfb: sarahzrf: maybe spend some time creating an ansible playbook to rebuild it for when you need to do this again
dirtcastle_: is there a way to merge 2 logical partitions
dirtcastle_: one is root and another is home
dirtcastle_: root has run out of space and I cant login right now
wez: dirtcastle_: ummmm, just allocate more space to root
wez: lvextend
dirtcastle_: i have made partitions for entire sda
dirtcastle_: wez: will this cause problems
dirtcastle_: for them
wez: dirtcastle_: lvreduce to make a lv smaller, then lvextend?
Bashing-om: dirtcastle_: In the recovery menu is the "clean" option that trys to make free space. Worth a shot before having to mount and manually see what you can remove from '/'.
wez: dirtcastle_: There's probably something in /var/log you can remove too
dirtcastle_: I've run sudo rm -rf /var/log/
dirtcastle_: ok fixed the issue
wez: :S
dirtcastle_: i need increase the space before this happens again
wez: there are some files in there you probably want to keep, I meant truncate the files, not delete them entirely.l
wez: dirtcastle_: Do it! lvextend or find out where the space was being eaten up and mount that into it's own filesystem
dirtcastle_: lol will this cause problems. My system is new. haven't done much with it
wez: Generally you want to mount /tmp, /var and /home somewhere else.
wez: yeah, you need a /var/log directory :)
wez: also depending on what services you gave installed you may need sub-directories with correct permissiojns set
wez: gave = have
dirtcastle_: will that delete the contents or the Directories themselves?
wez: rm -fr will
wez: mounting over the top won't delete what is already there, you will need to move it over to a new FS, then mount over the top
dirtcastle_: will doing mkdir the Directories be enough?
wez: depends what services you have installed
wez: nginx and apache will probably complain when you start htem up next if you don't recreate the directories and set the appropriate permissions
dirtcastle_: I've installed a window Manager, browser and urxvt. other than that it's new
dirtcastle_: i don't run servers . it's my laptop.
wez: OK
dirtcastle_: for now I've created the /var/log/ directory. i didn't create partition for /tmp or /var (manually) during installation. only root and home. and now I need to increase root size
wez: dirtcastle_: Either that or mount the directories to a new FS if they are likely to grow
dirtcastle_: can I mount the root to home?
dirtcastle_: home has 80gb. It will take a while to fill up
dirtcastle_: i think
wez: dirtcastle_: ummm, why do you want to do that?
wez: dirtcastle_: just extend root :)
wez: or create a new LV for the stuff that takes up room
dirtcastle_: idk how to extend. can u help wez . I'll send fdisk and parted output. tell me wat command to run. I tried running some everything failed
wez: dirtcastle_: How much space did you allocate to the volume group?
dirtcastle_: 100gb
dirtcastle_: it's an extended partition
dirtcastle_: fdisk -l : https://paste.rs/uvh
dirtcastle_: parted print : https://paste.rs/52R
wez: Which one is your volume group?
wez: Or are you using partitions only?
dirtcastle_: oh wait. i forgot. there is no extended partition.
dirtcastle_: everything is primary only
dirtcastle_: I messed up the partition table and when I restored ,I made it into primary partition
BASHitup: If you mess up the partition table, yhou should still be able to recover data. The partition simply sets the boundaries for where the files are stored - it doesn't delete them.
dirtcastle_: yes I recovered the table. but sda2 and sda3 were logical partitions in an extended partition before I messed up. when I restored I made them primary partition
BASHitup: dirtcastle_ It sounds like you'll have to reinstall
mohsengreen: hi
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: what's the problem?
dirtcastle_: BASHitup: :(
dirtcastle_: EriC^^: i need to increase root partition size
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: making them primary instead of logical has no consequence at all to it booting/mounting
BASHitup: Hey - it happens. I ran a command that was just super idiodic to run. Then I tried to recover with my clone. My clone was done wrong. So I had to reinstall then copy from the clone. In my case, I use luks FDE ... So everything is naturally more difficult over the encryption
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: ok, pastebin 'sudo parted -ls' output
dirtcastle_: EriC^^: so is it ok to resize? what cmd/software Will I need
EriC^^: yeah, no issues, share the pastebin, gparted can do it from a live usb
dirtcastle_: EriC^^: this is parted print output. if this is not enuf I'll get u that also https://paste.rs/52R
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: you intend to make root-ubuntu bigger?
dirtcastle_: yes exactly
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: you'll need the space from somewhere else, so boot up a live usb, run gparted, then resize another fs and 'move' it to the right/end side of the disk and other partitions too, til you have unallocated space after root-ubuntu, then resize/expand it
dirtcastle_: nice. how can i send partitions to other end of the disk EriC^^
EriC^^: dirtcastle_: right click -> move
EriC^^: or something like dragging them maybe, never really used gparted alot
EriC^^: it's pretty intuitive though
dirtcastle_: my ubuntu works fine. i can use gparted without live usb and all
EriC^^: you cant resize mounted fs though
dirtcastle_: ohh. do i need to make a bootable usb with gparted in it or ubuntu?
EriC^^: also for sure you'll want to backup any important info, as you never know if it might go wrong with resizing
dirtcastle_: ubuntu iso*
EriC^^: just ubuntu iso should do be fine
dirtcastle_: ok
dirtcastle_: this will actually solve lots of my problems
jil: hello
Hash: Hi
Hash: I had everything working, all these years, and tonight I try to start a vm in vbox and it says version mismatch
Hash: suplibOsInit what: 3 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (-1908) - The support driver is not installed. On linux, open returned ENOENT.
Whisky`: Hash: reinstall vbox, the kernel dkms and/or the extentions
Whisky`: the modules likely didnt compile/install correctly. space issue?
Hash: Checking
Hash: DKMS: uninstall completed.
Hash: Deleting module version: 6.1.32
Hash: ok, all gone. I went to their page, had the repo added latest made srue it's good
Hash: they say to grab the .deb, did that too
Whisky`: and what does apt install show? all goes well?
Whisky`: did it compile the modules for your current kernel or one you recently installed but havent booted into?
Hash: DKMS: install completed.
Hash: No dice.
jil: UWF question. I'm trying to limit youtube with ufw. I found that youtube uses range of IP adresses such as 199.223.232.0 to 199.223.239.255. If I'm correct this is equivalent to 199.223.232.0/11 but applying, $sudo ufw deny from 199.223.232.0/11 will result in a adress "normalisation" to 199.192.0.0/11. Why is that ?
Hash: yeah, apt install modules and builds them and everyuthig
Hash: han gon
Whisky`: did you modprobe them
Hash: https://bpa.st/GETA log
Hash: never had to do anything manually ever.
Hash: So no, I did not modprobe them.
Whisky`: why are the modules 5.4
Whisky`: neverm ind my brain is fried tonight
Whisky`: yes modprobe them in and it should fix it
Whisky`: im going to stop looking at my 5.16.0 kernel, that fixed my bluetooth issue that 5.4 caused
Hash: Installed the latest from their .deb package instad of repo
Hash: dpkg -i
Hash: That worked. Now windos10 booted
Whisky`: ikky
Whisky`: =-)
Hash: https://bpa.st/W5HA
Hash: virtualbox-6.1_6.1.32-149290_Ubuntu_eoan_amd64.deb they gave me this as it's one package for 20/21 versions
Whisky`: mmm
Hash: Anyway
Hash: The main problem I wanted to boot windows was to fix some mising mesh nonsnese with morrowind
Hash: I start openmw in ubuntu and Iget lots of missing mesh errors in game
Hash: Anyway, on to that now
ph88: hey guys, i just installed Lubuntu 22.04 daily image fresh. Installation went fine. On first boot i see this https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW what to do ?
gry: ph88, does it say anything else afterwards?
ph88: no it hangs there
gry: ph88, i am not an expert in this, but i suspect you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-next , as this is not a normal release yet
ph88: ok
jil: I was confused about the meaning of / at the end of a network adress, it is clear now. thanks to wasamasa from #emacs.
ovfldpth: Hello Everyone
moa5505: Hello !
moa5505: Anyone here ?
ovfldpth: Hi moa
moa5505: Hi !
moa5505: I have a problem, maybe someone in here will have an idea on what to do.
moa5505: In short I'm trying to execute 3 commands at startup, the problem is that these 3 commands need to be executed as sudo, so the "official" startup utility doesn't work
moa5505: So I created a routine on systemctl
moa5505: Something like :
moa5505: #!/bin/bash
moa5505: #
moa5505: # /usr/bin/autostart.sh: Local multi-user startup script.
moa5505: sudo command1
moa5505: sudo command2
ovfldpth: I thing you can refer to this answer at stackoverflow https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/646116
moa5505: omg
moa5505: why is linux/ubuntu so complicated
moa5505: I just want to execute 3 commands at startup
moa5505: On windows I just go on the startup menu, add those 3 commands, they execute at startup and everyone is happy
moa5505: On linux I tried to add them to the autostart menu on the LXQt session settings, but they need to be executed as sudo so they don't work
moa5505: So I create a service on systemctl, but only one over 3 work correctly
moa5505: Why is everything so complicated on linux ????
moa5505: Each single setting takes litteraly hours to apply because everything is so intricated
moa5505: Why make everything so complicated ?
moa5505: Is it like an entry barrier ? Like Linux want to filter non tech savy users ?
moa5505: I really don't understand it
cbreak: it's not really complicated
moa5505: Sorry but it really is
cbreak: the problem is just that you don't understand it, because it's different from what you're used to
moa5505: No it's not that
cbreak: starting something at startup is trivial. There are GUI entries for that in both Gnome and KDE
moa5505: On windows I use ctrl+alt+del, I have the autostart menu and I can add/remove commands. The end.
cbreak: that's similar to what windows has
cbreak: just less weird
cbreak: no need to remember strange keyboard shortcuts
moa5505: On linux I tried the official tool but it doesn't work, I tried systemctl but it doesn't work
cbreak: systemctl is for starting things via systemd
cbreak: that's a good option if you want to start services, or something else that's independent from a login session
moa5505: I don't have a choice, session settings autostart doesn't execute things as root
cbreak: but that's not something a normal user will need a lot
cbreak: of course it doesn't
cbreak: why would it run things as root?
cbreak: windows isn't dumb enough to do that either
moa5505: Because I need to use an executable as root
moa5505: I don't care about the reasons
cbreak: what for? Is it a service that should run permanently?
moa5505: I cannot do it
cbreak: or something that should run on login?
moa5505: Remove middle-click from my touchpad, limit CPU TDP, apply undervolt
moa5505: the two last need root access
moa5505: And why wouldn't it run things as root ???
cbreak: 1. make a script for that. 2. Make a systemd unit for the script. 3. use systemctl to start it as root.
cbreak: moa5505: because it'd be dumb
moa5505: Already did those
cbreak: login sessions are for users
moa5505: still doesn't work
cbreak: users can control their startup applications
moa5505: Well my startup applications don't work
cbreak: letting users start stuff as root would be a major security issue
moa5505: So it's broken, as simple as that
cbreak: you shouldn't break things then :P
moa5505: No it just doesn't work
cbreak: it's plain obvious that starting software via systemd works
cbreak: otherwise you couldn't boot
moa5505: systemctl services doesn't work as well
cbreak: systemd is what starts everything on your system
moa5505: who cares
moa5505: It doesn't do what I want
moa5505: it doesn't work
cbreak: of course not. It only does what you tell it to do.
cbreak: and that is probably not what you want.
cbreak: software is like that. It doesn't matter what you want. all that matters is what it is told.
ns12: Hello, will the next LTS version of Ubuntu (i.e. Ubuntu 22.04) support root on ZFS?
moa5505: #!/bin/bash
moa5505: #
moa5505: # /usr/bin/autostart.sh: Local multi-user startup script.
moa5505: xinput set-button-map "ELAN1301:00 04F3:3115 Touchpad" 1 1 3 4 5 6 7
cbreak: ns12: it already does
moa5505: It just doesn't work
ns12: cbreak: It appears to be "experimental" in Ubuntu 20.04.
moa5505: Why is everything so broken on linnux
moa5505: Why everything is a pain in the ass to do ?
cbreak: ns12: yeah. Can't say if it will be less experimental, but it works already :) at least with 21.10 quite well actually
ns12: moa5505: Lay your eyes on the cute Linux penguin, and every fault will be forgotten.
ns12: cbreak: Is it still "experimental" in 22.04?
cbreak: don't know.
moa5505: Yeah, but looking at the cute pinguin won't give me my time back
ns12: Isn't 22.04 more or less frozen by now? It will be released in April.
moa5505: "Linux is free, if your time is worthless"
ns12: moa5505: You could always defect from Tux-land to Beastie-land, Apple-land, or Windows-land.
moa5505: Windows-land sucks more and more
ns12: cbreak: I guess I will wait until April 21 to find out.
moa5505: But macOS did everything right (except the user/consumer restrictive policies)
moa5505: If Linux stopped making everything so user unfriendly, they could have a chance
moa5505: That's why even ChromeOS won more market share in 2 years than linux in 25
mixfix41: your leaving a ton out
cbreak: moa5505: I tried hackintoshing for a few years
cbreak: it worked quite well, but I think the time for that is over.
mixfix41: mac users are users of their hardware. so thats the biggest appeal. and if you are familiar it could treat a person nice (app developers)
cbreak: with the shift to ARM, apple pretty much made all hackintoshes stuck in the past
moa5505: If my autostart menu actually worked and executed the commands I told him to execute I wouldn't have any problem
moa5505: But no
mixfix41: keep practicing. mac intentionally will break an install process after upgrades. ive experience
moa5505: On linux world, this would be too easy. So I have to create new services using command lines and manage 1000 other problems
cbreak: you only need to do that if you want to run code with elevated privileges, and / or independent from a login session
moa5505: And even doing that, it doesn't work at the end
cbreak: as I said above: starting software at login is trivial
moa5505: I don't care
moa5505: I want to run something at start up
moa5505: why do I have to use the command line for that ?
cbreak: because it's unusual.
mixfix41: obviously you need to learn how to and its simple actually simpler than any other os
moa5505: Why the "official" way doesn't work ?
cbreak: it does work.
cbreak: services are the way for startup daemons
cbreak: it's the same on Mac OS
cbreak: there you'd create a launchd script of course, instead of a systemd script
moa5505: it's unusual to disable the middle click on the touchpad ?
cbreak: and on windows it's also the same. There you'd create a system service entry in the registry, somehow.
moa5505: It's unusual to run a simple executable on startup ?
ns12: Is there a comprehensive Ubuntu manual similar to the Debian reference, Debian handbook, and FreeBSD handbooks?
moa5505: No
mixfix41: their prerequisites and you are right linux does take time but its not pessimistic time spent ill put my money on it
moa5505: On windows I tell it to run something at startup, and it runs something at startup
cbreak: no.
moa5505: No matter the shit I throw him
moa5505: Yes.
cbreak: it starts it at login. As your user.
moa5505: I did it hundreds of times
moa5505: I don't care
cbreak: it won't affect other users, obviously.
moa5505: It starts and works
moa5505: I don't care about anything else
moa5505: I want something that works
cbreak: just like on linux.
moa5505: Nope
cbreak: if you make it start something automatically, it will start it.
cbreak: as your user.
cbreak: when you log in.
cbreak: easy.
moa5505: Well it doesn't
cbreak: I've done that dozens of times.
moa5505: Well i've been trying for the last 5 hours
cbreak: doesn't seem like it.
cbreak: all you do seem to do is spout complaints and nonsense here
moa5505: This should not take more than 2 minutes
cbreak: you've not tried to solve the problem a single time.
moa5505: Open startup menu, paste script, click okay
moa5505: "Just werks"
moa5505: lol
moa5505: So you know better than I what I did ?
cbreak: yes.
cbreak: I've seen what you did here after all.
cbreak: complain.
moa5505: lol
wez: Just press the any key
cbreak: not asking questions. not giving evidence. not describing symptoms.
wez: Then order a tab
moa5505: So you ignore the hours I tried to solve this problem before
mixfix41: the rant looks bad cause there is so much engineering involve that you are trying to pass as doesnt exist
moa5505: Okay give me a minute, I'll explain clearly what I want to do
cbreak: it's plain obvious that what you claim is nonsense.
moa5505: lol
cbreak: because automatically starting things via systemd is at the foundation of the ubuntu startup process
cbreak: if it wouldn't work, you would get stuck after grub.
cbreak: systemd is what starts the login manager. and it later also starts X, when users log in.
moa5505: I want to run 3 scripts at startup. One to disable the middleclick on my touchpad, one to apply a TDP limit to my CPU and another to apply an undervolt.
moa5505: I tried to use the default autostart menu on lubuntu and add those commands, but they don’t work because the last two need to be executed as root.
moa5505: So I created a new service with User = root, but this new service only launches 1 of the 3 commands. I checked the logs and apparently the middleclick disable cannot be applied because the service is executed before “xinput” can be executed, which is fine it makes sense, I guess this one can be added on the startup menu since it doesn't require
moa5505: root. But the two last commands seem to be executed correctly and return proper return values in the logs, but when I check if the TDP limit was applied, it wasn’t for some reason...
gry: Moa5505, look at passwordless sudo
gry: Continue to use lubuntu startup
cbreak: when you start a script via systemd, you can extend the script with logging, to verify if it has run. systemctl status should tell you that then.
gry: You can set up sudo to not require sudo password for a particular user for a particular command, and I think it would resolve the issue.
cbreak: this will of course not ensure that what you run will actually work, just that it is executed.
cbreak: depending on where in the startup process you put your code, it might be too early
cbreak: for example, if you want to interact with X, you'd probably want to do it after the graphical.target, after the display-manager.service
moa5505: I checked the systemctl status, it tells me the TDP limit was applied, I get the correct executable returns, but If I check my current TDP parameters, they remain the same as default
cbreak: so ... it ran the code, but your code didn't do what you wanted, or it did what you wanted and was changed back later by something else.
moa5505: No the logs tell me the code ran successfully, but they didn't
moa5505: My parameters remain the same
cbreak: did you add code to check the parameters to the script?
moa5505: man
cbreak: that would let you verify if they have been applied right afterwards
moa5505: If I execute manually the instructions I give to the service it runs fine
cbreak: and it would allow you to detect whether they've been changed back by something else later
moa5505: I'm not stupid
cbreak: if systemd starts your script, then systemd did its job
moa5505: It's just that the service executes it and it doesn't work
cbreak: if your script then doesn't work, you'll have to debug your script.
moa5505: omg
moa5505: MY SCRIPT WORKS
moa5505: that's not the issue
cbreak: obviously not
moa5505: are you even reading
moa5505: Okay lets check
cbreak: you said yourself it doesn't work
cbreak: but it is started
moa5505: It is executed
moa5505: but it doesn't have any effect
cbreak: yes. You said that before.
cbreak: so it's not a problem with the starting itself.
cbreak: it's a problem with either what the script does, or when it does it, or what happens afterwards.
moa5505: Where can I past logs ?
moa5505: paste*
cbreak: the /topic mentions paste.ubuntu.com, but apparently that's bad. Do you have access to github gists?
moa5505: This is such a waste of time
moa5505: https://pastebin.com/UYNYyw3Z
moa5505: The first lines are the logs from the service
moa5505: The last lines are the logs if I check the current parameters
moa5505: Notice how stapm_limit, fast_limit and slow_limit didn't change ?
cbreak: so, run the command to check the values _inside_the_script_
moa5505: And if I use the command " sudo /home/tiago/Programs/RyzenAdj/build/ryzenadj --stapm-limit=15000 --fast-limit=15000 --slow-limit=15000" (like I have it on the service file), it runs fine
moa5505: cbreak, why would I run that ?
cbreak: ... didn't you pay attention?
cbreak: as I said above: to verify that the values have been applied right after your script tried to apply them.
moa5505: Why would I care if it returns the good values in the logs if the final result doesn't work ?
cbreak: because you've shown that it's not a problem with starting your script
cbreak: so systemd is doing what it is told
moa5505: The important thing is that my CPU is TDP limited at startup
moa5505: I don't care about anything else
moa5505: Systemd is running it in a way that doesn't work
cbreak: now, the problem to solve is to find out whether your script actually does what you want. And that's done by querying the result
moa5505: because my CPU will have the default TDP at startup, not the one I defined
moa5505: SUCH
moa5505: A
moa5505: WASTE
moa5505: OF
cbreak: what? This is basic debugging technique.
cbreak: you clearly aren't experienced in debugging, but the basis is to verify all assumptions.
mixfix41: which tutorial are you following
cbreak: you have verified that systemd does the right thing. It does.
cbreak: now you have to verify that your script does the right thing.
cbreak: and if it does: what changes the values back
cbreak: and if it does not: why it doesn't work
cbreak: do you run the script too early?
moa5505: test
moa5505: Not muted anymore ?
moa5505: This is such a waste of time
moa5505: Why so much bother and problems to run a simple script at startup
moa5505: I can do whatever I want on windows with 2-3 clicks in under a minute
moa5505: Here I tried 2-3 methods
moa5505: wasted hours
moa5505: for such a little thing
Marmotte: this is called "learning", maybe you don't remember, but you "wasted" time when learning Windows when you didn't know it ;)
mixfix41: why dont you just use crond
moa5505: I'm not learning anything because I'm not accomplishing anything
moa5505: I don't want to install more stuff, I just want to execute a simple script at startup
moa5505: What kind of OS makes a simple thing like this so complicated
mixfix41: crond isnt consider installing more put on the system its there and _use_ it
cbreak: it's quite simple with linux
moa5505: It's not.
moa5505: Really not
moa5505: If it wasn't I wouldn't be wasting time on this
cbreak: your problem is not starting software
cbreak: clearly, it was started
moa5505: If it was simple I would be able to use the default startup menu and just get it done
moa5505: No matter if someone in a basement would consider this method "retarded" or not
moa5505: It was started, but the final result doesn't work
moa5505: So it didn't work
cbreak: so... the problem isn't the starting.
moa5505: I don't care about anything else
cbreak: you're blaming the wrong thing.
mixfix41: you should just alias it until your strategy gets better :)
cbreak: you will not be able to fix the problem unless you find out the problem
moa5505: The problem is that the OS doesn't offer the possibility to run executables at start
moa5505: Simple
cbreak: it does.
moa5505: No it doesn't
cbreak: there are like five ways to do it
cbreak: at least
moa5505: Well they should focus on a single one that works
cbreak: every single one works...
moa5505: And is supported by the OS
cbreak: systemd is the most powerful way, but of course, with great power comes complexity
cbreak: especially due to the dependency management
moa5505: If everything runs so fine, why the autostart menu can't do what I want ?
cbreak: the GUI way is obviously aimed at login session startup
cbreak: so it will start software for the user that logs in.
cbreak: both ways clearly work.
moa5505: I want to run an executable
moa5505: It doesn't work
moa5505: simple
cbreak: no idea what you call "auto start menu"
cbreak: but in KDE, there's an autostart section in the settings
cbreak: it works.
moa5505: LXQt session settings
cbreak: in gnome, I think there's something similar
moa5505: It doesn't work
moa5505: It can run an executable at startup
moa5505: If it did we wouldn't be having this discussion
cbreak: it works.
Marmotte: running your executable works, but the executable itself doesn't work (maybe it was started to early, maybe it is bugged, etc.)
moa5505: Becuase I would be happy
cbreak: as I said: the bug is in your code.
cbreak: the fact that you don't seem to comprehend that is ... weird.
moa5505: Nope Marmotte, it doesn't work because I need sudo access to run executables
moa5505: The bug is not in my code
moa5505: My code runs fine
cbreak: add logging to your code.
moa5505: I did
cbreak: is your code executed?
moa5505: yes
cbreak: good.
cbreak: so it works.
cbreak: Q.E.D.
moa5505: mdr
moa5505: t'es con en fait
cbreak: since logging proved that your code is started, the problem is not starting your code
cbreak: next step is to find out why your code doesn't do what you want.
moa5505: It runs, it returns that the TDP modifications were done, but if I check if they really were there are no modifications
cbreak: and to solve the problem.
cbreak: so, as I said above:
cbreak: check that the settings have been applied right afterwards
moa5505: Why ?
cbreak: I told you
cbreak: twice already...
cbreak: to find out if your settings have been applied
cbreak: if they have, then they were reverted later.
cbreak: if they hvae not, then there's some problem with setting them itself.
cbreak: beause, obviously, when you check much later, the settings are not what you wanted to set them to, right?
cbreak: so either they never were set to begin with, or they were set back.
Marmotte: maret: we "all" succeed doing what we want except you... but when it doesn't work, we search what we did wrong insted of blaming the OS, this allows us to fix our issues :)
Marmotte: oops sorry for the wrong ping :D
moa5505: cbreak I just did what you said
moa5505: let me restart
moa5505: Same thing
moa5505: https://pastebin.com/53k6SZCp
moa5505: It tells it applied it successfully, it reports again having the right values but If I execute it myself I have the default values
moa5505: It's shit
moa5505: It doesn't work
cbreak: so it works
moa5505: ...
cbreak: but something later changes the values back
cbreak: correct?
moa5505: How could something change it back ???
moa5505: This is changes sent directly to the CPU
cbreak: don't know. Did you check dmesg / journalctl -b 0?
cbreak: but you just verified that the values were set correctly
moa5505: dmesg / journalctl -b 0
moa5505: dmesg: invalid option -- 'b'
cbreak: but later are no longer correct
cbreak: those are two commands
cbreak: either `dmesg` or `journalctl -b 0`
cbreak: the latter will show more
moa5505: Stop the bullshit, If I apply those myself manually they remain until shutdown
moa5505: They don't "just change"
moa5505: Fuck it
moa5505: I just give up
moa5505: Such an amazing OS
cbreak: lunch time, good luck, back in an hour or so
moa5505: No
moa5505: I'll just uninstall
moa5505: stoop wasting time on this
moa5505: I'll try it again in 2030 "year of linux desktop" lol
mixfix41: lol but non-corporate _still_
moa5505: This is unacceptable for a OS
moa5505: Continue to act surprised when new videos on linux like linustechtips come out
mixfix41: honestly im not sure why you try. look at history. not at view farming..
moa5505: These are known problems, it's unacceptable to be so complicated to run a script at startup
semitones: How can i interrogate an SD card that is not easily recognized in gnome?
lotuspsychje: semitones: journalctl -f and plug in the SD to see errors
semitones: thanks
semitones: no messages. What about lsblkid
semitones: I see an sda in lsblk
lotuspsychje: semitones: thats impossible, plugin new hardware always spits out output
lotuspsychje: share in a pastebin please
semitones: You're right, the sda is a USB drive I also have inserted
semitones: I am going to look for an SD card that works to make sure it's not the laptop being broken
semitones: lotuspsychje, Mar 13 08:10:57 patsurf-u systemd[1351]: Started VTE child process 9047 launched by gnome-terminal-server process 6541.
semitones: oops probably should not have done gparted scanning devices while startup disk creator is working
lotuspsychje: semitones: when inserting the SD, you should get like 4+ lines of that SD hardware
semitones: i think maybe the SD card reader has failed
lotuspsychje: if the reader or card was completly dead yeah
semitones: i'll keep trying sd cards and see if I get the 4 lines
semitones: i got a cron job when I inserted the lastest one, but I think it might have been a coincidence
mixfix41: you can use dmesg -wH for live reading and see if its the hardware is the problem.
semitones: I'll try that
semitones: I'm still getting nothing, and putting in known good sd cards.
semitones: Could Ubuntu have already detected that it doesn't work, and disabled it?
mixfix41: yeah id assume it would show in dmesg . only my bad drives dont
semitones: About 2 weeks ago, I tried to flash an SD card in windows on the same machine, and I got a blue screen when I inserted the card, so that might be a clue that it's the card reader
mixfix41: and even them they show a few lines
ogra: well, cheap USB->SD readers often do not detect card changes, you need to re-plug the USB fr them to have the kernel detect them
semitones: Oh. Yeah let me try this again with the USB drive unplugged
ogra: just switching the cards wont be noticed on such devices
mixfix41: storage devices typically in my experience will work with hubs
semitones: For context, this is a microsoft surface that has 1 x USB 3.0 port, (which had a usb thumb drive) and one microSD reader, which probably uses the USB bus also but idk
semitones: surface pro 3 or 4
mixfix41: they would even work quite the distance over a longer range hardwire too.
semitones: I got messages for unplugging the USB drive, but not for the sd card reader
semitones: I guess it is dead :( :( :(
semitones: I'll try restarting and see if it is still dead
semitones: i just remembered that I have an old laptop that has a full size SD card reader, so I can still write the cards with that for the time being
cbreak: semitones: I use an usb sd card reader. Works quite nicely. They're not that expensive either.
cbreak: The one I use has a slot for sd cards, and one for micro sd cards.
semitones: I will add that to my shopping list for the computer store, that's a good idea
cbreak: the one I have looks similar to this one: https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/icy-box-ib-cr200-c-usb-usb-20-micro-b-speicherkartenlesegeraet-5990429 (but it's not this model)
semitones: cbreak: oh I have one kind of like that with USB c. Maybe I just need a C to A adapter
semitones: Oh actually mine comes with A as well
BluesKaj: Hi all
semitones: Hi BluesKaj :)
BluesKaj: hi semitones
semitones: Out of curiosity, is it normal that hexchat does not appear in Ubuntu Software or apt, on 20.04.4 live CD (with internet) (xpost from #hexchat)
cbreak: semitones: this one has two sides too, for A and C
Maik: semitones: enable the universe repo in the live session, hexchat is there
Maik: iirc, universe is disabled during the live session
semitones: Maik: thanks!!
Maik: semitones: you're welcome :)
ph88: i just formatted my hdd, made it GPT partition table, with 8 MB grub_bios partition unformatted, and the rest btrfs .. can it be that my laptop does not support gpt ? laptop seems unable to find harddisk and boot from it
cbreak: ph88: normally, you'd want an EFI partition
cbreak: maybe with 200 MB or so
cbreak: for efi booting
cbreak: but the installer should format this for you automatically if you tell it to
ph88: cbreak, the Lubuntu installer just told me to do 8mb bios_grub partition ... ok 200 MB efi ... so what should i do now ? reinstall ?
bun_: huh?
cbreak: ph88: depends on what you want. If you boot via efi / legacy, then I think the installer will try to do legacy booting
cbreak: (well, it'll try to install it in the same way you booted the installer)
ph88: cbreak, i can do a reinstall and then hold at the partition screen and make a photograph ... im not sure what to do there.
jhutchins: ph88: One partition.
jhutchins: !install
ubottu: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - See also !automate
ph88: jhutchins, i think cbreak has a point ... i heard about that 200 MB GPT partition before ...
tomreyn: ph88: like all other flavors, lubuntu can install in either (legacy) bios or EFI mode, if your mainboard supports both modes for booting. which one you boot the lubuntu installer in decides which boot mode the system will be installed for. you can use gpt partitioning in either mode. an 1 MB bios_grub partition is only needed for (legacy) bios booting, and would be created by the installer (booted in (legacy) BIOS mode) when it sees
tomreyn: unpartitioned space on the target disk. an ESP partition is only needed for UEFI booting and would be created by the installer (booted in UEFI mode) when it sees unpartitioned space on the target disk.
ph88: jhutchins, sorry i mean EFI instead of GPT
jhutchins: ph88: They are different things.
jhutchins: EFI<>BIOS GPT<>FAT
ph88: tomreyn, i don't think my bios has EFI support, but i tried to make a GPT partitioning scheme, then installer warned about needing bios_grub partition, so i went back and made GPT scheme, 8 mb bios_grub unformatted, and rest btrfs with boot flag mount on / Now laptop can not find disk to boot from. Did i do it wrong or is hardware broken ?
cbreak: is your computer really old?
tomreyn: ph88: which laptop model is it? you can boot the live / installer system, spawn a terminal (emulator, or switch to a !tty) and run dmesg | grep DMI:
ph88: cbreak, 2011 laptop
cbreak: dmidecode for my system lists, among other things: "UEFI is supported"
ph88: tomreyn, Dell Vostro V131 with Intel Core i3-2310M
ph88: tomreyn, yes i can boot into live iso .. just a moment ..
cbreak: hmm... that's maybe a bit old... maybe it only supports uefi if you turn it on, or it just defaults to legacy mode
cbreak: ph88: chances are you can chose how to boot the installer
ph88: cbreak, i don't see anything in bios about uefi
cbreak: :(
ph88: thats ok no ? it should still work with bios ?
cbreak: does it list "CSM" or "compatibility support module"?
cbreak: Ubuntu should work fine with either mode
tomreyn: ph88: based on the bios updates available for dell vostro v131, i also assume this only supports bios boot
cbreak: but you're giving up on some of the nicer features of EFI
ph88: cbreak, don't see CSM or compatibility support module
cbreak: like easy boot picking, higher resolution booting, faster booting
cbreak: yeah, then it might just only support legacy bios mode.
ph88: that's ok i can do without these features .. i just like to get Lubuntu running
tomreyn: i don't think it's much of a loss
ph88: i don't know whether i missed up with partitioning or if hardware is broken
cbreak: did you try to let the installer partition things itself?
ph88: cbreak, no i didn't try that ... can try to do that
cbreak: I think it supports setting up a system with root on zfs :D
Jeremy31: ph88: Might be too old to boot with GPT
cbreak: (or other file systems)
cbreak: it should create the boot partitions it requires as well
ph88: Jeremy31, interesting comment ... when would a system be too old to boot with GPT though ?
cbreak: when the bios doesn't know GPT format.
cbreak: but that's why GPT has the option for a protective MBR
ph88: protective MBR ? is that why the 8 mb bios_grub partition was needed ?
cbreak: a fake MBR partition table at the start of the GPT disk, to prevent ancient legacy systems from getting too confused
Jeremy31: ph88: I had an older Toshiba that had no UEFI that wouldn't boot a disk with GPT, but another laptop had no issue
cbreak: ph88: no, protective MBR is the first 1 MB chunk. It's really old stuff. I'd hope your system supports GPT
Jeremy31: I think the bios_grub should be 1mb
cbreak: it's not a partition
cbreak: it's a feature of GPT I think
cbreak: anyway, if your system doesn't get MBR, you could try FAT
ph88: i can try with MBR now
Jeremy31: And the 1mb bios_grub has to be at the beginning of the drive
tomreyn: ph88: did the installer provide a choice between gpt or mbr partition table?
tomreyn: if not, or you don't know, then it may be a good idea to overwrite the existing gpt partition table before you make another attempt to install
ph88: tomreyn, yes it provided a choice
tomreyn: okay, then i guess you could choose that instead
ph88: MBR ?
tomreyn: yes
ph88: when i insert usb stick it boots from hdd lol
tomreyn: :)
ph88: usb stick has MBR
jhutchins: ph88: Use the BIOS/EFI boot menu.
ph88: trying ..
jhutchins: I have a board that follows the last successful boot device rather than the configured boot order.
ph88: ok i reinstalled Lubuntu, with MBR this time. It did boot but had some other problems https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW i am booted into Live ISO. Possible problem (was told before) disk might be set as read-only. What to do now ?
ph88: by the way i have two laptops at which both i try to install Lubuntu ..
cbreak: that doesn't look good :(
ph88: yes it doesnt :P
jhutchins: Looking for a shared cross-platform (Linux/Android) list application - shopping lists, to-do lists.
enigma9o7[m]: pastebin ;)
sarahzrf: jhutchins: i actually do have a backup from 3 days ago, i completely forgot i have weekly backups enabled hallelujah
sarahzrf: okay i think i will restore that
jhutchins: Woot!
sarahzrf: finally the extra $1/mo paid off
Ravage: jhutchins: maybe nextcloud notes with Joplin for example?
Xeonvl: Hi, im looking to configure fancontrol but receive "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
Xeonvl: i used superiotool to find my super io chip which seems to be Aspeed AST2400
Xeonvl: according to online, I should load aspeed-pwm-tacho
Ravage: jhutchins: i think has a native android app too. so no need for nextcloud
jhutchins: !lmsensors
ubottu: To access CPU temperature sensors and detect fan speeds, install the lm-sensors package. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto for installation and usage instructions.
Xeonvl: but where do I find that kernel module? :/
Xeonvl: i have lm-sensors, it doesnt detect fans because i think I lack the right driver for the PWM module
toxic0: hello everyone. some general question : would tar --exclude=cache ignore all files and directories (and their content) that are named cache wherever in the tree they might be ?
jhutchins: toxic0: TIAS
toxic0: actually I'm more lookging to exclude anything inside a cache directory ;)
jhutchins: toxic0: Possibly want a full path to the directory.
toxic0: no idea what TIAS means
rfm: toxic0, man page says --exclude takes a glob, so --exclude='*/cache/*' might do what you want
jhutchins: toxic0: Try It And See - tar is non-destructive, so play around with it.
caitlin: i'm struggling with a usb connection to a pi, i'm connected over otg and i am getting a network interface created when i plug in the cable, but i'm not getting any ip. it worked once this afternoon and then never again and i'm confused
pycurious: I'm getting only this in my logs from fail2ban - rollover performed on /var/log/fail2ban.log - any ideas on how to fix this?
XATRIX: Hi, can you advice ? I'm using aarch64 ubuntu 18.04. Is it possible to install GCC-7.3.1 on ? Currently i have GCC-7.5.0
Maximalist: can you full disk encrypt a ubuntu distro after the setup process? I didnt set it up with full disk encryption in the beginning
Maximalist: all the tutorials I find on using LUKS is at the intallation process
getheao11: hello! how to create shortcut from alias? is this possible? i want to run an alias-command from desktop as a shortcut
XATRIX: How can i find a suitable PPA for my 18.04 ? Is there any search engine ?
enigma9o7[m]: launchpad
XATRIX: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas ?
jil: hello
jil: hi #ubuntu
jil: after installing squid on my laptop is there something special I need to do to have firefox take squid's rule in consideratio ?
Jeremy31: getheao11: you could make a .desktop file
jil: I mean I started squid with sudo systemctl start squid. it's status is ok but firefox does not seem to use it also ti should use the system proxy
ph88^: i booted into Live CD ... how can i get diagnostics on HDD installed ubuntu installation ?
RobNyc: Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Pop "impish" 21.10 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics (1.60GHz) • Memory: 13.3 GiB Total (11.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.1 GB / 124.9 GB (114.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cezanne @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 13h 45m 15s
RobNyc: oops wrong chat window
semitones: I just got a new laptop. Is there any hardware scan I can do and send to Ubuntu
RobNyc: @semitones, whats wrong
RobNyc: @ph88^, what kind of diagnostics you're looking for
XATRIX: Need advice. How can i purge gcc-7.5.0, and install gcc-7.3.0? https://imgur.com/FE1LoPC.png
semitones: Nothing is wrong. I thought they might have a database for hardware specs and what works/didn't work
ph88^: RobNyc, something to help me diagnose this https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW
oerheks: XATRIX, find it on launchpad/source and build it?
oerheks: not really a valid ubuntu support issue, old versions
XATRIX: oerheks: but i found a repo which has it. can i just specify a version i need to install on ?
oerheks: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/gcc-7/7.3.0-27ubuntu1~18.04
oerheks: good luck
XATRIX: oerheks: ok, this is a version i'm looking for. But how can i install from the link you gave me ?
oerheks: dpkg -i <deb> ..
XATRIX: i have to deal with thousands dependencies. How can i use apt for the installation ?
XATRIX: maybe mask 7.5.0 ?
oerheks: yes, that is why i say; good luck, you want an old unsupported gcc version
XATRIX: i do it in docker container
oerheks: update-alternatives --query gcc
oerheks: might work
XATRIX: i don't worry about a host machine
oerheks: yes, such actions is best in a VM
XATRIX: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc
XATRIX: i need to compile tensorflow inside of
oerheks: did you install build-essentials before this action?
XATRIX: manual says, that i have to use bazel 4.2.2 and GCC 7.3.1
XATRIX: yes, i did build-essentials
XATRIX: ii build-essential 12.4ubuntu1 arm64 Informational list of build-essential packages
XATRIX: take a look please
XATRIX: https://imgur.com/Qr56CpF.png
semitones: I decided to run phoronix test suite
jhutchins: semitones: Hardware Compatibility Databases rely on people to buy and test the hardware, since Canonical obviously can't buy and test _everything_.
jhutchins: semitones: Unfortunately, most people will only bother to contribute a test report if they're pissed off that something didn't work.
RobNyc: Anyone here using Realtek RTL8852AE wifi-6 card?
jhutchins: semitones: Given that a certain portion of these reports are invalid because the failure is something the tester did rather than an innate problem with the hardware (or drivers), the databases are pretty useless.
gry: semitones, see also http://www.h-node.org site â€" when you click 'Search', at the bottom it has a textbox where you can copy/paste your hardware list from a command. See if all your components are already in the catalogue. If they aren't, you can add them there.
semitones: Aw that makes sense, but it's too bad. I remember it used to be a thing people tried to do whenever they got a new computer
ph88^: what could be a reason that my hard drive became read only ? it has trouble booting ... seems a lot of system files are read only
semitones: I'll try that gry
gry: semitones, it is a third-party site, not run by Ubuntu or Canonical. If there are issues with it then you may wish to ask in the #h-node IRC channel.
Jeremy31: RobNyc: That might need rtw89
jushur: ph88^: it failed fsck at boot and auto mounted as RO?
XATRIX: Can you advice on dependencies ? Why it wants to install 7.5.0 instead of 7.3.0 ? :( https://imgur.com/oNTbEJp.png
RobNyc: Jeremy31, thanks let me look around
Jeremy31: RobNyc: what kernel are you using?
ph88^: jushur, i didnt see anything about fsck running ... by the way i use btrfs. How can i check if it was mounted RO ?
Jeremy31: RobNyc: check in terminal> modprobe -c | grep 8852 ## see if a rtw89_pci is in results
jushur: ph88^: with that filesystem i dont think there is a fsck.
RobNyc: Jeremy31, yes op-os@pop-os:~/Downloads$ modprobe -c | grep 8852
RobNyc: alias pci:v000010ECd00008852sv*sd*bc*sc*i* rtw89_pci
RobNyc: alias pci:v000014F1d00008852sv*sd*bc*sc*i* cx23885
RobNyc: alias symbol:rtw8852a_chip_info rtw89_core
RobNyc: Jeremy31, using 5.16.11 kernel right now on this livecd typing from my other laptop
Ravage: RobNyc: pop os is not supported here
jushur: anyhow my knowledge of that is outdated, so maybe it does.. seems i have it on this system im using right now so.
RobNyc: Ravage, its just a livecd im using to type im not running anything (installed) yet
RobNyc: i am too far from my router to use ethernet connection on T14
jhutchins: !realtec
jhutchins: D'Oh!
RobNyc: !realtek
ubottu: some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
ph88^: how can i see how my main filesystem is mounted as read only ?
oerheks: 'mount' would show you ?
oerheks: and what btrfs manual/howto do you use?
oerheks: and crossposting .. meh
Ravage: ph88^: why dont you try a basic installation with a default partitions and the default filesystem? it almost seems as if you are looking for trouble with all the custom choices.
ph88^: oerheks, i didnt use manual or how to .. i used lubuntu installer to setup partition with btrs and boot
ph88^: Ravage, hum i like btrfs is it that much looking for trouble ?
semitones: I was able to use hw-probe https://linux-hardware.org/?probe-bb0dd6b2c6
noarb: I have a VM on my ubuntu machine using a bridge for networking, and all networking seems to work from the VM except for to the host itself. Are there some tools I can use on the host to see if traffic is even getting there?
noarb: does using netplan for the bridge creation introduce another "layer" where traffic could be stopped?
jhutchins: ph88^: What do you like about btrfs? Where have you used it?
jhutchins: noarb: Connections to the host usually require a seperate configuration.
jhutchins: noarb: What virtualisation are you using?
Ravage: btrfs has some nice features like snapshots. but error debugging with anything not standard is not really helpful
leftyfb: noarb: if you setup the guest using a proper bridged interface, then the guest should be on the same network subnet as the host and all traffic to and from the guest and host should be the same as every other device on your network
ph88^: jhutchins, i used it on some pc before, also in my nas .. i read on articles online that it has good technology in it ... but i dont really know the gist of it
ph88^: guys i fixed my problem, i remount / and then edit fstab to space_cache=V2 and all good :D
noarb: I am using KVM+libvirt+qemu with a bridge, the VM is centos with the virtio network driver
noarb: I think it may just be a VM configuration, because it gets DHCP configuration
XATRIX: still need help. I have ppa jonatonf repository with a needed gcc version. but apt doesn't want to see this repo. How can i tell apt to install from ? https://imgur.com/GrlGXqC.png
Hash: How's the upcoming LTS doing?
XATRIX: please advice!
jhutchins: XATRIX: Contact the maintainers of that repository for instructions on it's use.
Ravage: Hash: #ubuntu-next
ph88^: Hash, i just installed Lunbuntu 22.04 doing very well
noarb: leftyfb: Could a vlan be an issue? https://bpa.st/S5FQ
leftyfb: noarb: is your host ip on 10.0.242.0/24?
noarb: the bridge vlan is on 10.0.242.0/24, where the host is on 10.0.240.0/24
leftyfb: can the guest contact other devices on the 10.0.240.0/24 vlan?
leftyfb: sorry, 10.0.242.0/24 vlan
leftyfb: noarb: your issue is probably with inter-vlan routing, nothing to do with the guest. Unless you need to tag both vlans on the guest
noarb: yes, I can ping all vlans from the guest VM
david__: hey im trying to install phpmyadmin.. ofc i already have apache/mysql/php already.. but when I "sudo apt install phpmyadmin" it says its already the newest version but yet there's no phpmyadmin in my /var/www/ folder?
Ravage: david__: the package create a config file for apache and links it to the files in /usr/share/phpmyadmin
leftyfb: david__: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-secure-phpmyadmin-on-ubuntu-20-04
leftyfb: david__: when setup properly, you don't need /var/www/phpmyadmin. That's what vhosts are for
noarb: leftyfb: do I need to configure that at the bridge level or on the KVM host?
noarb: the host is untagged and the VM is tagged - do they both need to be tagged?
noarb: thanks for the tip, I think the tag/untagged has something to do with it and it has to be set up a little differently. I'm reading more about it now
ph88^: how can i update opengl driver ?
Chunkyz: ph88^: you're not using a supported release
Chunkyz: but... https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers works fine.
david__: facepalm so what do i have wrong.. i've restarted apache, i'm down to the end of step 2 on that digital ocean URL you linked.. (which i was already going by before I joined IRC) but anyway when I navigate to localhost/phpmyadmin = page not found
leftyfb: !next | ph88^
ubottu: ph88^: Jammy Jellyfish is the codename for Ubuntu 22.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.
Chunkyz: leftyfb: already told him that in #lubuntu, no reply.
ph88^: Chunkyz, that's cool .. though why is it not in standard repositories ?
* Chunkyz shrugs
ph88^: Chunkyz, i added that repository, opengl still at old version .. do i need to install a package ?
Chunkyz: !next | ph88^
ubottu: ph88^: Jammy Jellyfish is the codename for Ubuntu 22.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.
Chunkyz: read that.
gry: ph88^, sorry about the noise. ubuntu 22.04 is not supported here. #ubuntu-next only.
Chunkyz: gry: he's been told three times now, doesn't seem to be listening...
ph88^: <Chunkyz> but... https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers works fine.
Chunkyz: oh dear, he's been put on ignore. I wonder why people don't listen to advice. :-(
gry: ph88^, we cannot help with it here, wrong channel
gry: ph88^, because next release has its own little bugs, that people in here do not want to know
Chunkyz: gry: just ignore him.
gry: ph88^, please continue this in #ubuntu-next channel
ph88^: i have here 4 laptops in front of me all different OS versions windows too. package update question is not on release specific
david__: lack of sunshine will make you depressed
gry: ph88^, how many of them run ubuntu, and what versions?
ph88^: 16.04, 20.04, 22.04
oerheks: i hope not 16.04 EOL
oerheks: grinn
gry: ph88^, ok, here it is possible to get help with the 20.04
gry: ph88^, please try to install graphics drivers there
oerheks: LTS aims to be stable, not the newest packages.
ph88^: ok thanks
DavidSaylor41040: is there a way to actually browse apps in the ubuntu software store thing without a search string
Ravage: DavidSaylor41040: https://p.haxxors.com/u8fk10rz.png yes
DavidSaylor41040: mine is always empty, just shows editors picks
forgotmynick: hello
semitones: interesting my integrated microSD port seems to be working again
Jeremy31: Fix it quick
semitones: Jeremy31, but I can't see the windows partition of the SSD anymore :(
semitones: Well, I can see it
semitones: but gnome does not see it / auto mount it like it used to
semitones: searches: how to make gnome mount something it should already have mounted
oerheks: make sure it has no errors. that would prevent mounting RW
oerheks: fsck something?
semitones: good idea. It is NTFS so maybe I better just reboot windows and restart again
rairden: is pcregrep installed by default on ubuntu?
Jeremy31: rairden: probably not
semitones: that worked :) thank you oerheks
rmaw: Hello, I just installed ubuntu 20.04 and tried importing a zpool created elsewhere
rmaw: when trying to import a zpool created elsewhere I get
rmaw: com.delphix:log_spacemap (Log metaslab changes on a single spacemap and flush them periodically.)
rmaw: that feature is not supported
rmaw: "This pool uses the following feature(s) not supported by this system:"
gry: could you please share a screenshot
gry: https://imgbb.com/ upload here, for example
rmaw: https://i.snipboard.io/de3gIZ.jpg
gry: Chunkyz, in -next, productive discussion now. thanks for your help with the redirection
moha: fdisk -l /dev/sda does not show the lvm partition (sda3), why? <---- https://p.teknik.io/r5XAg
moha: Also this command `parted /dev/sda --script unit s print ` does not show the sda3