text: Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-08
  Deytera, 8 Oktwbrioy 2007
  Ariqmos Deltioy: 99273365
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  Aqhna, 8 Oktwbrioy 2007
  Ek meroys ths kybernhshs, qa hqela na eyxhqw, opws fantazomai kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, na exei aisio telos h egxeirhsh metamosxeyshs hpatos sthn opoia ypoballetai ayth thn wra, kai apo to prwi ap` o,ti exoyme plhroforhqei, o Arxiepiskopos Aqhnwn kai Pashs Ellados k.k. Xristodoylos.
  SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenoy oti h patajh ths forodiafyghs kai ara kai toy laqremporioy twn kaysimwn einai stis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs kai htan kai stis proeklogikes ths proteraiothtes, qewreite oti osa mexri twra blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, dinoyn eikona ikanopoihtikhs proergasias gi` ayth thn ypoqesh;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai qemata synqeta ta opoia den lynontai poly apla apo th mia hmera sthn allh. To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn ekdidei -an den exei hdh ekdwsei- anakoinwsh gia thn efarmogh toy metroy h opoia qa ginei, opws me plhroforhse o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, apo thn 1/1/2008. Oi leptomereies, gia na mh meinoyme se epipedo eikasiwn, oi opoies exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas tis teleytaies hmeres, qa anakoinwqoyn sth sxetikh ryqmish.
  KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Nea Dhmokratia pote skopeyei na anoijei to qema ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs sth Boylh;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Problepetai apo to Syntagma mas pws ginetai h anaqewrhsh. Sas qymizw oti h anaqewrhsh prepei na exei oloklhrwqei sthn prwth Synodo ths Boylhs. H Synodos ths Boylhs arxise hdh.
  KAKALHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema hqela na rwthsw: Dhladh poso qa plhrwsoyn to petrelaio qermanshs twra oi katanalwtes; Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh; Kai skeftetai na dwsei kai to epidoma stoys xamhlosyntajioyxoys;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn exei epejergastei ena sxedio, oi leptomereies toy opoioy qa anakoinwqoyn epishmws. Mexri tote, qa hqela na parakalesw na mhn akoyte diafores eikotologies oi opoies entelei den wfeloyn kanenan kai dhmioyrgoyn anataraxh.
  KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabasa mia dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh h opoia leei oti ayth h wra einai h katallhloterh wra gia na lyqoyn Kypriako kai Skopiano. Yparxei kati to opoio gnwrizete, to opoio dhmioyrgei kapoia aisiodojia oti mporei ayth thn wra, yparxei apo ta Hnwmena Eqnh, den jerw...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, apo tote poy egina Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, se eqnika qemata akoloyqw pista ayta ta opoia dhlwnontai apo thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero. Ean h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exei na pei kati perissotero, eimai bebaios oti qa to elege.
  KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabazoyme tis teleytaies hmeres kai me aformh tis epafes poy eixe stis Bryjelles o k. Xatzhdakhs me ton Epitropo Mparo, diafora dysoiwna gia to mellon ths Olympiakhs. Taytoxrona, oi teleytaies metrhseis stis opoies to qema ths Olympiakhs eixe symperilhfqei prin apo kanena xrono, edeixnan mia syntriptikh laikh pleiochfia yper ths yparjhs enos eqnikoy aerometaforea. Qelw na rwthsw, pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na xeiristei ayto to qema.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, dinw stis dhmoskophseis th shmasia poy toys ajizei. Qymizw oti yphrxe kai dhmoskophsh allh apo ayth poy lete eseis, amesws meta tis anakoinwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Ekqesh Qessalonikhs opoy oi Ellhnes, sth syntriptikh toys pleiochfia, etaxqhsan yper twn metrwn poy eixe anakoinwsei tote o Prwqypoyrgos. O armodios Ypoyrgos nomizw oti erwthqhke prin apo ligo, ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, meta apo synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo. H prospaqeia den exei allajei, einai ayth thn opoia exei pei kai alles fores kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o armodios Ypoyrgos.
  KYRITSHS: Na mhn kleisei, dhladh.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia einai na mhn kleisei h Olympiakh, na poylhqei h Olympiakh, na apokratikopoihqei h Olympiakh, na to pw etsi.
  GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate stis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ennoeite ekeines to Septembrio toy 2005, oti h Olympiakh me thn paroysa morfh kai domh ths den mporei na synexisei na leitoyrgei;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws.
  GKOYTZANHS: Mexri pote isxyei ayth h dhlwsh; Dhladh, o orizontas gia na stamathsoyn...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Ews otoy breqoyn lyseis sta megala problhmata poy yparxoyn.
  GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh nomizame oti htan ameso tote.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia diafora metajy toy grafw ena reportaz kai toy lynw ena megalo problhma. Th diafora ayth thn katanoeite, eimai bebaios. Eiste enas eyfyhs dhmosiografos kai nomizw oti den perimenete na lyqei ena megalo problhma sto xrono ekeino poy grafetai ena reportaz. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei ena shmantiko zhthma se ekkremothta me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai ayto prospaqoyme na lysoyme.
  GKOYTZANHS: Ton orizonta, rwthsa. Ean yparxei kapoios orizontas gia na...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lyqei to problhma apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.
  GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh kathgoroysate to PASOK poy afhne to problhma na diaiwnizetai.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: To PASOK to afhne.
  GKOYTZANHS: Eseis to exete hdh tessera xronia kai...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei shmasia pia na poyme ti ekane to PASOK. Apo tote poy kybernoyse to PASOK exoyn hdh mesolabhsei dyo eklogikes anametrhseis. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn anaqesei sth Nea Dhmokratia th diakybernhsh ths xwras, ara kai tis eyqynes gia to kaqe zhthma). Me ayth th synaisqhsh ths apolyths eyqynhs loipon, sas lew oti ginetai megalh prospaqeia kai h prospaqeia ayth exei na kanei me polloys paragontes. Enas apo aytoys, o shmantikoteros olwn, einai h epilysh toy problhmatos poy yparxei se sxesh me ena poly megalo xreos apo thn Olympiakh pros to Dhmosio kai antistrofws apo to ellhniko Dhmosio pros thn Olympiakh, h opoia omws prepei na ginei mesa apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. To gnwrizete.
  KAKALHS: Poy pata h kybernhsh kai kanei apodekth thn aithsh Analyth ws ena apo ta stoixeia toy dialogoy; Mhpws stis 14 protaseis poy kanei, oi opoies sto synolo toys strefontai kata twn asfalistikwn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh kanei apodekth, me thn ennoia poy lete eseis, kaqe protash. Dhladh, akoyei tis protaseis. Giati, profanws, otan lete ``kanei apodekth'' ennoeite oti h kybernhsh eipe oti qa akoysei oles tis protaseis, ara kai aytes toy k. Analyth.
  KAKALHS: Tis synektima san stoixeio toy dialogoy.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika. Kaqe protash, kaqe forea, kaqe armodioy, qa lhfqei ypoch. Alimono. Einai dynaton na mhn lhfqoyn ypoch oi protaseis poy qa kanoyn oloi oi foreis;
  KAKALHS: Den einai foreas. Einai diorismenh Epitroph apo thn kybernhsh.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe Epitroph. Gia peite moy ti akribws ennoeite; Yparxei mia Epitroph, h opoia kanei protaseis.
  KAKALHS: Ennow oti den apodokimasate protaseis oi opoies strefontai, sto synolo toys, kata twn ergazomenwn.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: As maqoyme epiteloys na syzhtoyme dhmokratika ston topo ayto. Qa akoystei mia protash apo th mia pleyra, mia protash apo thn allh pleyra. Opoies einai arestes sthn kybernhsh qa epidokimazontai kai opoies den einai qa apodokimazontai; H kybernhsh exei pei tis basikes ths qeseis. Exoyn anakoinwqei kai se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy, se epipedo armodioy Ypoyrgoy, sth diarkeia twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn. Arxizei o dialogos. Alimono, o skopos ths kybernhshs h o stoxos den einai kaqe fora na apodokimazei h na epidokimazei mia protash. Stoxos einai na ginetai zymwsh, afoy akoystoyn oles oi protaseis kai sth synexeia na katalhjoyme se ena sxedio, oso to dynaton eyrytera apodekto kai pantws sigoyra me stoxo th biwsimh lysh gia to Asfalistiko.
  KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete ti ennoei o k. Alogoskoyfhs otan mila gia ejomoiwsh twn asfalistikwn dikaiwmatwn; Ennoei thn ejomoiwsh pros ta katw; Dhladh, to montelo IKA;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia einai gia to kalytero, oxi gia to xeirotero.
  SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw sto qema toy petrelaioy giati ypenqymizw kai se sas kai sto press room oti yphrje mia dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh stis arxes ths prohgoymenhs ebdomadas poy elege oti qa ginei prospaqeia na epiblhqei to metro apo 15 Oktwbrioy, apo thn arxh ths promhqeias toy petrelaioy qermanshs. Dedomenoy oti ayto den symbainei, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to endexomeno na yparjei promhqeia petrelaioy me diaforetikh timh, apo toys kerdoskopoys, twra, apo tis 15 Oktwbrioy mexri thn hmeromhnia poy to metro qa epiblhqei, poy einai h 1h Ianoyarioy; Dhladh, einai enas megalos xronos.
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly megalyteros o xronos twn pollwn etwn poy -opws jerete- isxyei ena systhma, to opoio dystyxws exei epitrecei na yparxoyn paraqyrakia, dystyxws exei epitrecei na yparxoyn laqremporoi. Ara, loipon, an me rwthsete poios einai o pio megalos xronos, oi dyo mhnes poy apomenoyn ws thn 1/1 toy 2008 h ta 10, 20, 30 xronia, mallon- me thn maqhmatikh logikh- qa legame to deytero. Kata synepeia, fysika kai mas problhmatizei olo to qema, alliws den qa asxoloymaste me ayto, an den mas problhmatize. Qa to afhname na reei opws eree epi xronia.
  KYRITSHS: Gia to asfalistiko qelw mia dieykrinish: H kybernhsh qa eblepe ayton ton dialogo na ginei mesa apo thn Boylh, mesw mias monimhs epitrophs koinwnikwn ypoqesewn...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth einai h proqesh ths kybernhshs. Exei ginei ayth h protash poy lete apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, stis epistoles poy esteile stoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, o dialogos na ginei se armodies Epitropes ths Boylhs.
  KAKALHS: Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to endexomeno sto dialogo na einai o eaytos ths kai oi biomhxanoi kai na mhn proselqoyn oi ergazomenoi;
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ena dialogo kalo qa htan na proselqoyn oloi oi endiaferomenoi. Prwton, giati pragmatika dhlwnoyn me ayton ton tropo, sthn koinwnia oti endiaferontai. Dioti an den paw se ena dialogo kai bgw stoys dromoys na fwnajw xwris na syzhthsw prohgoymenws, o kaqe noynexhs poliths qa arxisei na anarwtietai giati to kanw. Etsi den einai;
  KAKALHS: An pate se prokaqorismenes lyseis...
  ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi symfwnoyme oti einai ena poly megalo qema, to jeroyme. Kai den einai mono ena poly megalo ellhniko qema, jeroyme poly kala oti einai ena megalo qema dieqnws kai alles eyrwpaikes xwres to antimetwpisan h to antimetwpizoyn. Einai ena zwntano qema. To antimetwpise mia kybernhsh prin apo peripoy 15- 20 xronia, qa to antimetwpisei kai h epomenh kybernhsh meta apo 15- 20 xronia. Einai ena qema to opoio allazei analoga me tis synqhkes ths zwhs mas. Den einai dhladh kati poy ftiaxthke kai emeine h qa meinei esaei.
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